The Kushner family thinks Karlie Kloss is a shiksa who is ‘not that smart’


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I honestly haven’t paid much attention to all of the stories being excerpted from Vicky Ward’s new book, Kushner, Inc.: Greed. Ambition. Corruption. The Extraordinary Story of Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump. I’ve put some of those stories in this week’s links posts, like how Melania Trump and Ivanka hate each other and that kind of stuff. But I came across this story and I LOVE it. I’m not Jewish, but I’ve always loved Yiddish and when I come across gossip which uses Yiddish, I’m all in. Apparently, the Kushner family – who are Jewish – were not big fans of Joshua Kushner’s relationship with Karlie Kloss. Because they thought she was a dumb shiksa!! Shiksa = non-Jewish woman. Jared Kushner was not happy that his brother was with Karlie, which is so weird because Jared ended up married to a shiksa too (both Ivanka and Karlie converted to Judaism before marriage).

Josh’s father Charles Kushner and his wife Seryl spurned Karlie Kloss for six years after she started dating the venture capitalist in 2012, Josh told businessman Gary Cohn (who formerly served alongside Jared in President Donald Trump’s administration), according to the book. The family – including Jared – did not approve of Kloss because she was not born Jewish (she converted last summer), according to the book, and Seryl said that Josh’s marriage to the model was her ‘biggest failure’.

Jared was one of the Project Runway star’s biggest critics, calling Kloss the phrase ‘shiksa,’ an offensive term referring to women who are not Jewish.

‘Jared’s mind-set was made quite apparent when, in 2012, Joshua started dating the Victoria’s Secret model Karlie Kloss,’ Ward wrote, noting that he made clear the effort was to push her away early on. Ward wrote that after journalist Aaron Gell wished Jared well in regards to Josh’s romance with Kloss, Jared responded in saying: ‘Don’t worry. The family is going to take care of that. We’re not very happy about him dating a shiksa. We’re hoping he’ll move on.’

Jared also jabbed at Kloss’s intelligence, telling Gell that Kloss is ‘not that smart.’

The book also noted that Josh went out of his way to exclude his parents from participating in his wedding in upstate New York last year as payback for the flak he took over the relationship.

[From The Daily Mail]

In what world is Joshua’s marriage to Karlie Kloss MORE embarrassing to the Kushner family than Jared’s marriage to Ivanka? That’s what I don’t get. It’s not like Ivanka Trump was anything other than a dumb, complicit, fascistic baby-whispering shiksa when she was dating Jared. She converted before she married Jared, same as Karlie Kloss. And while I do think Karlie is not as smart as her PR machine would suggest, can we all agree that Karlie > Ivanka? Also, let’s be clear: Jared Kushner is the dumbest one of the bunch.

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  1. MrsBanjo says:

    Likely because he’s the younger brother without the celebrity/WH access. Even as a successful model and Taylor Swift bff, Karlie didn’t have the name that Ivanka came with.

  2. manda says:

    But Ivanka is not a “dumb shiksa” (which I, too, have been called)? Exactly!! I wonder if Josh is the black sheep of the family. It’s sad that their family is being pulled apart by something like that, but at the same time, if your family is toxic, then it is ok to let them go

    I also didn’t know that shiksa only applied to women, I thought it was just another word for gentile

    • Muffy says:

      Ivanka converted, and she came from inherited money (Fred, not Donald).

      But let’s not pretend Josh has clean hands. He’s in bed with the Saudis, too:

      A spokesman for Josh Kushner’s firm, Thrive Capital, said that it was not in a formal fund-raising period at the time of the conference. A year later, however, the company raised $1 billion. And two people who spoke with Josh Kushner at the conference said he had been actively promoting a health insurance start-up he founded in 2012, Oscar Health, which five months later announced a fresh $165 million round of financing.

      A spokesman for Josh Kushner said the management of Oscar Health knew of no direct investment by Saudis. But the spokesman, Jesse Derris, declined to disclose whether Saudis had invested in any Thrive funds. Mr. Derris said only that Thrive had received no money since the presidential election from any Saudi who had not previously invested in its funds.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/world/middleeast/kushner-saudi-arabia.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytpolitics

    • Morgaine says:

      The equally-offensive term for a non-Jewish man is ‘shaygetz.’ And they really are rude terms — it doesn’t just imply ‘the neutral state of not being Jewish’ (that’d be ‘goy’ / ‘goyim’). It’s “can you believe, after all the blood, sweat and tears we put into raising our children, they could do such a thing! And with such a person! I tell you what, bubbe would turn over in her grave to know there was a shiksa / shaygetz in the family…” etc etc. (source: I’m a not-fluent but Yiddish-speaking Jew who married out.)

      • Kitten says:

        Thanks for all this info! Interesting…and kind of funny lol.

      • MrsBanjo says:

        Yeah, shiksa (and shaygetz) is not in any way neutral. And considering how awful that family is, it’s not at all surprising that they’d throw that word around.

      • manda says:

        I guess I did know that shiksa was derogatory… I just never really thought twice about it. I worked at a Jewish old age home in high school, and some of the elderly patients would say that to me, “you look just like a shiksa” or “look at that dumb little shiksa”. I lived in a very Jewish area, and I understand that older people have their prejudices. I’ve never heard younger Jewish people use the term in any way other than joking, but obviously that doesn’t mean they don’t

      • whatWHAT? says:

        interesting. I had a Jewish friend who was like my sister. she was an only child and she and I really clicked. she would often invite me to her parents house for Seder (they treated me like one of their own) and would refer to me as the “token shiksa” at the table. I don’t think they meant it in a derogatory way and I was NEVER insulted by being called that. (half my family is Jewish; maternal grandmother converted to Roman Catholicism before marriage but the rest of her 12 sibs did not, so we were quite mixed)

        is the word like, NOT as offensive in some sects of Judaism? thanks for the info, too!

      • Dani says:

        The terms shiksa/shaygetz trace back to the word shegetz which means vermin/insects. It’s such an offensive term that I recall my school rabbi expressly forbidding we use it when I was a student.

      • Emmaamme says:

        @what what. Yes, context matters! In more liberal/reform Jewish circles with lots of intermarriage, it can just be a cute moniker, which is sounds like how your friends family used it. But it can also be offensive af. The Kushners are orthdox.

      • whatWHAT? says:

        thanks, emmaamme. this family is VERY liberal, not extremely observant (we did have a Seder, but did what they called “the express version”) and is funny and fun-loving. knowing how much they love me as family, I’m going to take as a cute/teasing moniker, and not get upset.

        thanks again for the info, folks. I love how we can all learn stuff on here!

      • Mash says:

        See as a black person my mom and dad would be like YOUR ANCESTORS WOULD ROLL IN THEIR GRAVES if they knew you’d married, had relations with, dated, or had kids with a white (cr*ckker – derogatory term for white people because during slavery they cracked whips obv)

        like i grew up worrying that my family would disown me for that ish, interracial dating. I still rebelled and dated latino and middle eastern and biracial men but ultimately i married black and honestly i feel culturally very proud….

        but its always interesting to hear about this type of stuff as its regarded to inter-religions and intercultural

      • pottymouth pup says:

        many consider the term goy to be derogative too

      • Bookworm1858 says:

        Very interesting! I mostly know “shiksa” from the song Shiksa Goddess in Jason Robert Brown’s The Last Five Years and it seemed more loving and playful in that context.

      • historybuff says:

        Mash,

        You might be interested to learn that the term “Cracker” was first recorded in the 1760′s and referred to the backcountry American of English/Scots descent who were landless, poor, uncouth, and illiterate. Their modern descendant is the redneck. They’re unlikely to have ever been slave owners, but some of them may have profited from slavery. Generally, though, they lived rough and died young.

        I suppose a larger acknowledgment of the horror of slavery changed the meaning behind the term.

        From the book: White Trash by Nancy Isenberg.

      • PsychoCat says:

        I could actually hear my mother’s and/or grandmother’s voice reading that!

    • Megan says:

      Frankly, I think the Kloss family is who be embarrassed and outraged by this union.

    • Jaded says:

      The Jewish word for gentile is “goy”.

  3. Redgrl says:

    Racist trash. Much better to be a corrupt jailbird I guess

  4. Veronica S. says:

    I mean, she’s been a model since her teen years and never completed a degree. While she’s certainly business savvy, and while not having a college degree does not by any means guarantee ignorance or stupidity, she’s not exactly been in an industry that drives intellectual curiosity. I wouldn’t be surprised if that kind of old money views her as an outsider seeking a trophy wife position. (Which is hypocrisy, if there ever was a kind.) Ivanka Trump may not be Einstein, but she completed a degree, so she at least has the IMAGE of an accomplished woman.

    I would like, however, to thank the Jewish people of the world for giving us so many delightful words like “shiksa.” I never realized just how many loan words English borrowed from Hebrew until I was reading a book about it. And many of them are SO GOOD because they’re insidious insults, the best kind.

    • Desolee says:

      She is an outsider who comes from not the New York area and not a rich family, right? Plus the no degree thing. So I guess that’s a difference between her and Ivanka

      • bros says:

        Ivanka has a BA only, and her dad bought her way into Penn just like Olivia Jade.
        Karlie is enrolled at NYU but who knows if she’ll ever get her degree. you could say she’s come by what she has in a lot more honest and self-made way. no family money, connections, or name. also no corruption, fraud, and embezzlement. She may have less pedigree but she’s not going to jail any time soon….

      • Veronica S. says:

        Karlie came from a middle to possibly upper middle class family (one of her parents was a doctor, and ballet education is EXPENSIVE), so she’s not exactly rags to riches, but her millionaire status is definitely of her own making with that modeling career. And I think that’s more the issue – it’s the optics. You either come from money or you make it is a ~respectable business manner~, not from a “shallow” industry like media. Ivanka may be trash, but she’s at least got the image down right.

      • TabithaStevens says:

        Ivanka earned a MBA from Wharton.

    • MCV says:

      Also Ivanka comes from a family with money and Karlie doesn’t and that’s very important to rich people.

    • scottiegal says:

      Veronica S,

      What is the name of the book, please?

    • megsie says:

      It’s not a delightful word. It’s an ugly racial slur inspired by a deep seated prejuidice and learned superiority complex. Hate is neither delightful nor funny

      • Redgrl says:

        @megsie – agreed. I remember getting into an argument once with a Jewish colleague – he’d use the term shiksa and say things like he’d never marry someone non-Jewish. I asked how he’d feel if I hypothetically said I’d never marry someone Jewish. He freaked out and said that was racist. We argued and argued and he refused to see that his comment was racist. That was over 25 years ago and it still annoys me when I think of it…

      • Veronica S. says:

        I was speaking more generally about Hebrew loan words with that comment, but I did not in fact know that “shiksa” had connotations of ethnic prejudice attached to it. I’d only seen the word used once before and thought it was more akin to “outsider.” Which is, you know, not great, but not necessarily a slur, either. That’s on me for my ignorance toward the issue, and I apologize for that.

      • shocked-and-appalled says:

        I grew up in a very Jewish area of Toronto (but I’m a total Wasp). For example, my high school of around 2000 kids was for sure at least 60-70% Jewish. Maybe more. The term shiksa was seen as very, very derogatory. This was the late 80s/early 90s.

        An example I remember clearly: In a high school English class I read several novels by acclaimed Canadian author Mordecai Richler, who was from and often wrote about, his established Montreal Jewish community. In “The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz” I remember quite clearly that Duddy’s love interest, a French Canadian Catholic, was often called a shiksa and that it was extremely unflattering and was connected to pressure for him not to be with her.

        So, yeah. It’s not a term I like. I have jokingly used it about myself, especially when dating a Jewish guy, but it’s not great and if others called me that I’d be offended as hell.

    • Lady D says:

      Karlie is a huge advocate of getting girls into science and tech fields and has created a scholarship program for girls who want to learn coding. She is also taking coding classes herself. She might not have a degree yet, but she’s working on it and she’s helping and encouraging young girls and women achieve theirs.

      • Veronica S. says:

        Hey, I don’t have a problem with her. (Beyond her awful taste in men, anyway.) She’s done just fine for herself. I’m talking more in regards to how people of status may view her. Old money is not an inclusive club.

    • Vanessa says:

      Actually she seems alright – her Kode with Klossie initiative is really cool, and I like that she’s broken out of modeling and is doing TV personality/correspondent/host stuff like Bill Nye and Project Runway. No genius but not a fake entrepreneur with a fake degree like SOME PEOPLE *sideeye* :) She is only 26!

    • Bella Bella says:

      @Veronica S. – Many Yiddish words have made it into the American lexicon as well. Just look under “sch” in the dictionary! LOL

      When Israel was founded there was a deliberate decision to have Hebrew and not Yiddish be the native tongue as Yiddish evoked too much heartbreak related to persecution and WW2.

      • i says:

        Hebrew was chosen because not every Jew is Ashkenazi. Yiddish means nothing to Sephardi, Mizrahi or other non-Euro Jews who had their own ancestral languages such as, for example, Ladino.

  5. Desolee says:

    What I see is maybe karlies a more normal person, not sneaky and shameless like ivanka and Jared. Not sneaky= not smart? However it’s interesting that karlie and Ivanka are both friends with Wendi who I see as very sneaky.
    Are the family members and or close community mgoing to analyze how/if these two blonde wives actually believe in Judaism or is converting just a promise to go through with the holidays, rules and customs?
    My bf wants me to covert to Islam before marriage. I’m not there 100% yet but he made it clear pretending and going along with things is not at all what he wants

    • Velvet Elvis says:

      I guess I don’t really get the whole converting to a different religion thing to marry someone. If someone expects me to change my beliefs to suit them or their family then we don’t belong together. You either believe or you dont.

      • Kebbie says:

        If the two people had different belief systems set in stone, I’d agree with you. But I’ve known a couple of people who have converted, and the person converting usually hadn’t come from any kind of religious background. They genuinely discovered the religion and embraced the conversion, separate from the person they were marrying.

        My mom converted to Catholicism 35 years ago for my dad, and now she’s more religious than he is. She didn’t come from a religious family, and she found that she really liked it. My brother and I aren’t religious at all, despite us both being cradle Catholics. Everyone’s journey to finding or rejecting religion is different.

        I don’t know about Karlie, but I doubt Ivanka was raised in a religious household. Aside from being raised to worship her father and money, that is.

      • Pandy says:

        I can’t believe people are actually this “devout” that conversions matter?? Jeez.

      • Veronica S. says:

        For some religious and ethnic minorities, it’s a matter of cultural resilience, too. You ask the partner to convert because your culture could be lost down the line if it’s not carefully maintained. If I’m recalling correctly, Jewish spiritual identity is passed down through matrilineal in some sects, so the religious identity of the mother is very significant.

      • Whitecat says:

        Sometimes the conversion thing is a necessity. I mean yes, most people one CB live in secular countries but I come from a country where is no separation between church (or in this case mosque/church/synagogue) and state. I come from a Muslim family, although we are BY FAR not religious and quite liberal, but my husband comes from a catholic family, and he converted to islam on ‘paper’ because otherwise no religious institution would have married us – kids would be considered out of wedlock and cannot inherit anything from father or mother even. Sometimes it is a necessity.

        Considering the fact that Kushners are Orthodox Jews, if Ivanka and Karlie didn’t convert, their kids would never be considered Jews in the eyes of the orthodox rabbinate.

      • sa says:

        @Veronica S, I think you’re probably right, about the issue being (at least somewhat) that the religion of the mother is the issue. I’m Jewish and while I would never expect anyone to convert for me, it is very important to me that if I have children, I’m going to raise them Jewish. If I were a man, that would require they have a Jewish mother.

        I don’t know the specifics of how conversion came up for either couple, if it was requested or volunteered. But I guess my take is that I don’t have a huge issue with someone saying what they want in a prospective spouse and the other person then has the option of saying that’s not me and leaving or saying okay and here’s what I want in a spouse…

        I’m sure this isn’t always followed in practice, but I was always taught that it’s not okay for someone to convert for you, people should only convert for themselves (and I think we’re supposed to assume it’s a big coincidence that people find themselves wanting to convert for themselves around the same time that they get engaged).

        Someone above gave an example of it being racist for a Jew to want to marry someone Jewish and counters with how it would be racist for a non-Jew to say they’d never marry someone Jewish. That’s an apples and oranges comparison. If the non-Jewish person said “I want to marry someone that believes in Jesus” that would not be racist, but would be looking for someone with compatible beliefs. “I’ll marry somebody of any faith or belief system, unless they’re Jewish” that’s a different thing altogether.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      If Ivanka were truly observant even as a ‘modern Orthodox’ person, she wouldn’t have done some of the things she’s done on the Sabbath. More important, she wouldn’t be cheating and lying her way through life, because honesty is (as in many other creeds) a Jewish value, and she wouldn’t endorse policies that result in bigotry and death.

      They all come down to value systems. If your heart isn’t in something, you have to think very carefully about doing it, especially doing it to please someone else. Sounds as if you need to keep talking. No one can “make” someone believe things they don’t, or have any kind of internal or interior thoughts or feelings, that they don’t arrive at on their own. It’s not worth the energy to “go along with things” or do it for show because that’s exhausting and you will deal with it all the time. Religious observance can be all-encompassing, create your community, and infiltrate most corners of your life and your children’s lives. If someone can make a good case as to why this is important to YOU instead of to THEM, then maybe it’s worth listening to, but it’s you that matters. Religious choices can’t be made for someone else. Someone who wants someone to change for THEM, to fill an already-written role they have written in their minds, is someone you have to step back from to think how this might work out in the long term. Good luck.

      The Kushners are all rotten people. Maybe Mrs. Kushner can think about her failures in terms of being married to a vengeful felon and the mother of a treasonous fraud, plus father and son being dirtbag slumlords.

    • imaan says:

      Yeah, the Wendi Deng thing always give me pause from giving Karlie the complete benefit of the doubt.

      Don’t convert unless it is you yourself who want to do it. You can have a civil marriage instead. Anecdotally, my parents are in a mixed religious marriage, had a civil marriage and and they are together after decades. Otoh my uncle pressured his ex wife to convert, which she did, but they eventually split after 5 years because of his insistence that she honor a very specific path of worship and she pretty much gave up the faith. Please don’t feel under any pressure to convert. Only do it if you feel a true calling to it otherwise you might be setting yourself up for a fall later on. Good luck with your decision.

    • Lightpurple says:

      Nagini pretends to be observant but she’s far from it. Flying overseas, sitting in on G20 summit meetings, making bad speeches and then making faces at Angela Merkel’s speech at an international women’s conference, tweeting about her phony projects, crashing a Christian funeral to play with her phone all on the Sabbath go against the rules.

    • SK says:

      Sneaky is the perfect word for Jared, Ivanka and of course Wendi Deng.

      In my opinion requesting someone convert is not acceptable and actually quite disrespectful. I think religion is very personal and you can’t ask or tell someone what to truly believe

    • ama says:

      F+ck that!!! People should get married without having to convert to any other religion – anyone should be able to stick to what is important to them – or let’s drop all religions in total. Only brought and is still bringing war and death to humankind.!!!

  6. mycomment says:

    for some inexplicable reason, the wapo provided daddy Kushner column space today…
    Charles Kushner: Here’s the truth about my family and our business

    this is his tag: Charles Kushner is a founder and principal of the Kushner Companies, a diversified real estate company. (oddly leaving out his prison time and guilty pleas for fraud, witness intimidation, tax cheat and hiring a prostitute to compromise his brother-in-law for testifying against him).

    the comments are priceless.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-kushner-heres-the-truth-about-my-family-and-our-business/2019/03/20/7e56f49a-4b2e-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html?utm_term=.2d106cd57762

    • JennyJenny says:

      What an arrogant fool!
      And yes, the comments are priceless ~

    • Jaded says:

      What on earth was Wapo thinking by publishing this piece of obsequious trash?

      • Vizia says:

        I have to wonder if they did it intentionally so commenters could publicly skewer Kushner? Not to mention him making himself sound like a jackass. “Give him enough rope”, etc….

  7. Monicack says:

    He’s such a Fredo. It seems Karly is a liberal and a feminist and by many accounts, unwilling to go Stepford Barbie for the men in her life. Gee, what would a Kushner find offensive about that?

    • jessamine says:

      This is why I tend to defend Karlie against guilty-by-Kushner-Trump-association … I’m sure they have their own faults but they are clearly not part of the inner corruption sanctum.

  8. lucy2 says:

    This is hilarious.

    Charles is a convicted felon, on multiple counts.
    Jared is soon to be one (hopefully) and married to a non-Jewish woman.
    Jared’s in-laws are stoking white nationalism/Nazism.

    But Karlie’s the problem. Sure.

    • Kitten says:

      Right? LOL

    • Elkie says:

      …and if a perfectly-timed $32K “election contribution” from the family lawyer hadn’t been the NY DA’s favourite thing, Daddy I Want A Pony Trump would also have been a convicted felon for her part in the Trump Soho fraud.

      Karlie has her original face, an honestly-earned fortune and isn’t going to jail. Joshua wins!

    • Erinn says:

      If they find her to be a problem – I absolutely like her more for it. Sounds to me like she’s probably not a trash person if they’re not a fan.

    • The Original Mia says:

      Exactly! Karlie is the least problematic member of that family, her husband included. Like @Erinn, this makes me like her more if those crooks dislike her.

    • Pandy says:

      PLUS, Daddy Kushner paid Harvard to get the boys enrolled …. so how smart are these clowns themselves??

  9. Becks1 says:

    I had no clue Karlie Kloss was married to Josh Kushner. LOL.

  10. NEENA ZEE says:

    Eh, it’s not original. “Dumb shiksa” is the ultimate slam for Jews… I was called the same thing by my former inlaws when I married my ex even though I went to an Ivy league college, published at least six books while we were together and substantially outearned my husband by a factor of 10. Karlie could be a business mastermind and they’d call her that anyway.

    • Desolee says:

      So dumb is just the word commonly used to imply shiksa is a bad thing , right? Doesn’t have to do with intelligence?

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Shiksa can stand alone as an insult, but it’s often modified by “dumb,” just as a woman with light hair might be disparaged a certain way as a “blonde” but “dumb blonde” sends it over the edge.

        If Karlie Kloss started unethically peddling investor visas to rich Chinese, as has the Kushner daughter, then maybe they’d respect her more.

        Who ARE these people?!!!

      • Morgaine says:

        Yes and no, in that intelligence is a trait that Jews (at least the Jewish community I grew up in) value very highly. I remember a Holocaust-survivor teacher of mine explaining it as “education is something they can’t ever take away from you.” So extending the ‘not like us’ insult of shiksa by adding in the ‘dumb’ modifier is adding salt to the wound, basically.

        They may well think she’s dumb as well, mind you, because someone’s intelligence is going to be considered more carefully than their looks, for instance, or other markers of social status. (The ability to be witty or hold one’s ground in an argument would be a more likely method of sussing out belonging than whether they have the right designer purse or know which fork to use for which obscure food group.)

  11. SK says:

    Ivanka’s nose has been whittled down so much that when she tips her head back like that, she looks like Voldemort.

    • Birdix says:

      omg I wouldn’t have noticed that but when I looked back it gave me a little shiver. So creepy.

  12. Cay says:

    I used to work in a company founded by and that employed many Orthodox Jews. I remember having a conversation with someone there about Steven Spielberg. The woman told me he isn’t a “good Jew” because he married a shiksa. I replied that I thought Kate Capshaw had converted. She said, “It doesn’t count. That’s not really Jewish.” I believe the Kushners say they are Orthodox Jews, so this attitude by them and their friends doesn’t surprise me.

    P.S. Gary Cohn has spilled all the tea in this new book, hasn’t he?!

  13. Lala11_7 says:

    Karlie’s family doesn’t have anything that the Kushners can exploit it’s a simple as that….

  14. Anastasia says:

    Like that family can even comment on smarts! LOL

  15. Clare says:

    Ugh so as if they were bad enough (criminals) they’re racist too?

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Of course they are; they work for Trump.

      • Clare says:

        I guess I’m always a little surprised (naive, I know) when people who belong to a community that has suffered from systemic racism, are racist themselves. It’s just…how?

  16. T says:

    I don’t think Karlie is a genius of any sort, but I do think she’s smarter than she appears at first glance. Personally, I find her interest and skill in coding – and creating a space for young girls to develop their own – really wonderful.

  17. Kerfuffle says:

    Remember when the Kushners were trying to convince us that it was the other way around – that Jared was the black sheep and that the family didn’t approve of what he’s been doing?

  18. Chisey says:

    I agree that it’s a bit ridiculous for Jared to be insulting Karlie as a “shiksa” when she is exactly as Jewish as Ivanka is (and I think it’s not right to insult people this way in general, although I get it’s pretty common). However, for all that I’m not a fan of Ivanka, I do think that she has the reputation of being very intelligent, even if it’s probably not accurate. And she is a businesswoman, for all that she was basically born into her position, and businesswoman certainly sounds more intelligent and respectable than Victoria’s Secret model. I suspect the parents and Jared aren’t particularly impressed by Karlie’s internet fame. So, if we’re going by reputation and job title, Ivanka seems like a much more respectable in-law than Karlie if you’re into labels.

    • Lightpurple says:

      Nagini’s reputation for being intelligent comes from her father and brothers saying she’s the smartest of the group. And they’re all morons. Her college degree was purchased, not earned. Her Twitter feed, official statements, and interviews reveal a blithering idiot, who is as challenged by words and grammar as her father is.

      • Sigh... says:

        Exactly. She might be the “fastest” of all the turtles, but she CONSTANTLY proves that she’s still just a turtle. A phony, tone deaf, unethical, cosmetically enhaced, conniving, shameless, soulless turtle.

        No offense to turtles. 🐢🐢🐢🐢

    • anon says:

      She’s not intelligent, she’s a mafia legacy,and the whole structure to support her success has been set up for her even before she was born; she also happens to be “daddy’s favourite”. She’s probably a sociopath, which seems to run in the family. But any intelligent woman would have put all distance she could between herself and her mobster dad as soon as she hit 18. She did not.

  19. Cee says:

    OMG if I were Josh Kushner I would be so lucky I married someone like Karlie and not Ivanka. Daddy was already in jail, brother idiot is going in that direction too. Josh married someone clean, at least (and with her original face, too)

  20. NicoleInSavannah says:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/6/1578544/-The-Untold-Story-of-Trump-Model-Management-A-Daily-Kos-Exclusive-Part-1?

    I thought this article was very interesting and thought of you gals immediately. It has it all. Trump, models, real estate, racism, social climbing, and I will admit that I completely thought Gary Cohn was Roy and that man would be the crypt keeper by now. He May be. At least Gary isn’t as bad?

    Yep, Karlie isn’t a ‘name’ to them, but was the Trump moniker ever really a name as this article clearly suggests?

  21. Lightpurple says:

    People who have to buy their way into college should not comment on the intelligence of others. And Jared Tom Riddle, your wife Nagini is a blithering idiot

  22. Franny says:

    Yet this is the family that lets Jared believe he is uniquely qualified to bring peace to the Middle East.

    Like Trump, they think they are smart, “which is dangerous.”

    And in George Conway’s words, that is “the worst kind of dumb.”

  23. Kay says:

    I cannot stand Karlie Kloss. As a woman software engineer she is soooo offensive to me. She did the whole coding PR and charities thing to look smart and try and impress her boyfriend. Because she’s insecure about the fact that she’s DUMB as hell and totally uninteresting.

    At the same time, I’m always getting YouTube ads with her promoting Wix. Do you know what Wix is? A side builder that basically advertises that you can build a site with no coding knowledge at all. Wtf.

    There was a whole expose written up on how she claims to be an NYU student but the evidence shows she cant possibly be attending. Again, another thing to LOOK intelligent and educated but not actually have to be.

    • olala says:

      Thank you Kay! Just meant to write the same! Can’t stand the woman. and no she is not “good” one. She is a friend with Wendy. She is friend with Derek Blasberg (another wtf is he?)
      She knew what family she gets into and played it very cosy with Ivanka too
      Oh and I did not like her as a model either

  24. Gurl says:

    Karlie Kloss is from St. Louis, that’s why her BFF is Derek Blasberg.

  25. PYK says:

    “Jared is the dumbest one of the bunch” lololol

  26. Fluffy Princess says:

    Those bottom feeding, ridiculously stupid, racist, goblins act like they’re the sh**, to be trashed by them would be a freakin’ HONOR. I’d wear it like a badge!

  27. Berry says:

    Asking someone to convert as a condition of marriage is extremely selfish. It’s telling someone that they’re not good enough as they are and that they must change to please you.

  28. Sue Denim says:

    I’m Jewish and never knew the dark origins of the word, thought it was almost a compliment, actually Seinfeld had a show about shiksa-ppeal because so many Jewish guys love blonde or non-Jewish women. I’ve never used the word but won’t now, thanks for the information…

    I will say tho, it can be sad and confusing being Jewish, always knowing there’s the possibility of antisemitism in society, even among friends, the odd slip here or there, and just the deep and abiding fear that things could go really wrong again, esp these days, so hopefully people will understand a bit where maybe the defensiveness of using this kind of term comes from..

    On the specifics of this awful family tho, it prob has more to do w a mismatch of values. Ivanka is perfectly suited to their grifting, grasping, greedy ways, Karlie prob not so much.

  29. A says:

    “Seryl said that Josh’s marriage to the model was her ‘biggest failure’”

    I mean…your husband going to fcking prison because he committed a felony, and also the fact that he set up his brother-in-law with a prostitute and then called the police to stop him from testifying against him in court are arguably bigger failures but y’know. Semantics and all I guess.

    “Jared also jabbed at Kloss’s intelligence, telling Gell that Kloss is ‘not that smart.’”

    I’m sorry JARED KUSHNER said this?? Jared Kushner, whose dad had to buy his seat at Harvard???? Jared Kushner, who got taken in by Mohammed Bone Saw’s grift. Jared Kushner, who thinks that peace in the Middle East is like winning a game of Risk. THAT Jared Kushner????? REALLY???????

  30. Wellsie says:

    “Earned”

    ETA this is not the spot where I meant to reply. Sometimes interneting is hard.

  31. DP says:

    It sounds like the Kushners and the Trumps are perfect… together. Hypocritical, entitled a-holes!

  32. minnie mouse says:

    So here is how I see it.
    Jared and Joshua= greedy venture capitalists
    Ivanka and Karlie= The idiot blonds married to the greedy venture capitalists.

    Also Idiots and greed =stupidity

  33. Dani says:

    Technically neither Karlie’s or Ivanka’s conversion count as true Judaism. Conversion for marriage doesn’t count to most practicing Jews (orthodox, modern ortho, conservative etc) and isn’t allowed in most congregations, or is made so impossibly hard that it never actually happens. It is mostly a reform thing, and reform is basically frowned upon by conservative Jews. There are A TON of communities all over the world that would not accept Ivanka and Karlie and would not consider their kids Jewish. Conversion is supposed to be done for the heart, and for the true appreciation of Jewish faith. Not to get married. So in that regard, Josh and Jared are both idiots who married ‘shiksas’.