BREAKING: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) for president as she appears alongside him at a rally Saturday, the Washington Post reports https://t.co/z7Pb3WxYLo
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What a waste of an endorsement.
Agreed.
That’s odd. I wonder why she isn’t endorsing Warren?
Not odd at all. She worked for his campaign in the past and he helped “make” her.
Because Bernie stands for the same policies she does without excuses or avoiding questions. She, like Bernie is against corporate Democrats, the old guard who have gotten rich in Washington and are now spineless against Trump. These people no longer remember the struggle to survive. Warren is not going to go against the Democratic status quo. It took her too long to come out against accepting money from big donors if she’s the nominee. Bernie and Warren are not the same, the media pretends they are.
Most Democratic women under age 35 are strong Bernie fans. His policies talk to their current struggles in a system rigged against them much more so than Warren, Biden, Harris, etc
This sounds like regurgitated Jacobin talking points.
Warren isn’t your enemy.
Really, Original TC? Because my daughter and all her friends fall into that category and none of them is a Bernie supporter. None.
Thanks, CER.
I’m under 35, a democrat, and I prefer Warren, FWIW.
I hate the “electability” conversation but Bernie just had a heart attack, is he really fit to be president?
I would literally vote for a rat before I voted for Trump and the nominee is already a lock by the time my state holds primaries, so my opinion isn’t really important. Anybody but Trump is all I care about.
“Most Democratic women under 35?”
Um, no?
The ones I know prefer Warren, Harris, Buttegeig, even Biden before Sanders. This feels like fanfiction IMO.
I totally and strongly disagree, Original T.C.
If Elizabeth Warren was about upholding the status quo, she wouldn’t have created the CFPB. Warren has been a consumer advocate for some time now.
Bernie is a candidate that has the “burn it all down” approach, and we can see from the current administration how well that works. Warren has plans to target systemic roots of inequality.
I think this tweet by Warren gets to the heart of her position:
“I spent most of my career studying one question: Why do hardworking people go broke?….”
She really understands the systemic problems with health care, banking/loan systems, student loans, etc. that prey on lower and middle class Americans, and in my opinion, she’s incredible at explaining those problems.
That’s fallacious at best and disingenuous at worst, TC. Bernie has broad appeal, but there has been a strong movement among millennials (especially more intellectual millennials) toward Warren’s camp. I have friends across the country in a variety of careers and life stages and the consensus is tipping toward Warren among all of them, even the less educated ones.
Bernie and Warren’s policies aren’t dissimilar and to argue otherwise is to echo the toxic rhetoric of Jacobin and other fringe papers. They’ve said multiple times that they are friends and typically offer support to one another on the debate stage — if they were truly so diametrically opposed, why would that be? The core distinction between their two visions is that Warren is a capitalist while Bernie is a socialist. Warren believes in a free market with regulation whereas Bernie would like to see us move further left than that and redistribute wealth.
I’m an anarcho-socialist, but at the end of the day I vote based on who has the most realistic outlook and chance of getting things done in this country. A radical shift leftward, which is what a Sanders economy would require, would severely damage our economic system; you simply cannot overhaul a global economy like ours in four to eight years — it would send us into a tailspin. I would rather start the shift leftward with Warren than risk it all.
I actually think it’s more imperative that that we analyse why a large number of Sanders (male) supporters are so averse toward giving that same loyalty and motivation to another candidate in the Democratic Party than they are Trump. Why is it that Sanders’ supporters would sooner support Trump than Clinton in 2016 or Warren, et al, in 2019? Populism? Nationalism? Good old fashioned sexism?
Hi there, yet another democratic woman under 35 chiming in to say there’s no way in hell im voting for Bernie either.
Can’t stand him or his finger pointing.
Over 35 and endorse Sanders. But I won’t die on the hill and Jill Stein it either. I really really like Warren a lot as well. Really don’t want Biden to be the last democratic choice but better than Trump or ANY republican. Don’t get the Bernie hate; yeah, he’s 4,000 years old but he’s spot on with many things. Some people just get stuck on a person and won’t bend and that’s how Repugnants win. Harris is a bust, Booker won’t get enough votes. Beto wasn’t ready yet. My man likes Tulsi. Yeah, no.
“Most” Democratic women under 35? Where’s your source on that? I’m right in the middle of that demographic and you’d have to twist my arm right out of its socket to make me vote for Bernie over Warren.
Sorry for the late reply, had a migraine crisis. Statistics aren’t personal, just because the young women you personally know or your daughter knows aren’t voting for Bernie does not mean it’s a fact. It just means you are going with personal antidotes; people you know are bound to share your personal opinions. This is why people were shocked to find out in 2016 that majority of White women voted for Trump and people were like “well, I don’t know any of my white female friends that voted for Trump”. But statistics disproved your small sample size.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gyzjmb/bernie-bros-women-under-45-make-up-a-larger-share-of-bernie-sanders-base-than-men
That article doesn’t say that most women under 35 are Sanders supporters. It says that women under 35 make up the majority of Sanders supporters. Those are two very different things.
@Kit I have re-read your comment thrice, and honestly my head is still spinning from the fact that you are an anarcho-socialist who would vote for a capitalist over a socialist. Surely, a radical overhaul of our political and economic systems is what you (and I) want? I wholeheartedly believed that all socialists (nevermind anarcho-socialists!) would vote for Bernie and your comment has sent me into an intellectual tailspin. Can I ask if you’re an anarcho-socialist in name only or is it more than that?
I am so tired of Bernie, and I am not even American. Since he attracts such a hardcore unpleasant following (talking about the BernieBros) he would be immediately disqualified for me. Also the fact that he is not a Democrat. How does that not affect AOCs decision?
@Vanna. Spot on. Bernie isn’t a Democrat & he can’t win places it matters (Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania etc) because socialism isn’t going to fly in middle America & swing states that other Democrats can win. His time has passed (disclaimer: didn’t like him then either as I believe him to be Napoleon of Animal Farm)
I don’t care who endorses whom. I vote for Who I believe will do the best job. There are a lot of the candidates I like. Bernie (no matter who endorses him) will ever be my guy. IF he gets the nomination & that’s a huge IF) I will sadly vote for him knowing we will have 4 more years with a despot corrupt Trump
She almost had to do this. Can you imagine the wrath of Bernie bros if she had endorsed Warren? She’s seen the latest polls, BS is not getting the nomination and he has a huge war chest which can be given to other campaigns if he drops out. And this is his last campaign.
Idk, I seriously think that if Bernie stays in until the convention he will probably help give the nomination to Biden. Warren and he are dividing up the same voters…
You’re talking about bernie bros but ‘the squad’ has just endorsed him.
I don’t understand why it matters who the squad endorses.
Don’t blame Bernie for his bros. Better than Trumpsters. One can’t necessarily contain their constituents and it hurts the party and whomever coined the phrase. Too many people aren’t intelligent enough to look past that and we all lose when stereotypes happen to decent enough people. That’s why Orange turd constantly comes up with nasty nicknames
I’m honestly shocked he hasn’t dropped out after his heart attack. Not only is the actual election still over a year away but four years is a pretty long commitment for someone who is close to 80 years old and has serious health issues.
I agree, my main concern is not with his policies but with his health/age.
I agree too. He’ll be 80 or close to in for the start of the term, and just had a heart attack? Time to step back, dude.
Of course if he ends up the nominee, I’ll vote for him, but he’s fairly low on my list. Not surprised AOC endorsed him, and I don’t really care who endorses who, as long as they all support the eventual nominee in the general.
his ego won’t let him drop out; he seems to believe all the hype about himself as some sort of Messiah that his rabid following keeps spewing
I posted a video in response to you that got deleted. It was a video of him taking people to Canada to buy insulin. I didn’t see these people as “rabid”, just grateful someone was seeing them.
His base is extremely diverse, from all socioeconomic levels. I can’t post a link, but there are new surveys out that confirm this. Perhaps they come as “rabid” because they feel he is the only candidate who is speaking about issues close to them.
Ugh
Welp….
She gotta pay what she owes….
Won’t make a bit of difference….
Yep! Exactly.
He is too old, and his health is a serious issue. Please don’t make me go for that, Dems.
This isn’t surprising. She’s been a Bernie supporter since way back when. I like AOC. And we will have to disagree on this one.
Same
Same. Not surprised, not bothered by it either.
Agreed. I thought she’d already endorsed him, so this isn’t really “news” to me. It seems like a predictable outcome.
She can endorse whoever she likes. Doesn’t mean I have to vote for them in the primary. I can still appreciate what AOC is doing.
He is not a Democrat. I mean, how many times must this be said.
He filed as an Independent for the Senate race in 2024, but he filed as a Democrat for the 2020 Presidental race. He also filed as a Democrat for the 2016 primary.
No he didn’t. That was the issue in 2016.
Define your idea of a dem
This reminds me of how Ralph Nader refused to leave the presidential race, hurting Gore (who, like Hillary, also won the popular vote). Our main goal as a country, as I see it, is to eject the orange one from office. Period. I believe Biden, a white man, is the only one who can win against Trump, especially considering trump is the backlash to President Obama, a black man (and one of the most honorable and true men who has ever held that office). The country is so toxic, rage-filled and divided, I think we all need to bite the bullet and unite over the one candidate who can win. In this political climate, a woman (black or white) is not going to win. Bernie lost last time and just had a heart operation. This is realpolitik at its harshest. It’s not the candidate you like best, but the one who is our best chance for taking Trump out of office, who must get the nod. Unpleasant, but true. Or Trump can just be re-elected (if that’s what one wants to call it with all the cheating, hacking, voter suppression and gerrymandering going on) and we will have the Evile (a typo but I’ll let it stand) One for FOUR MORE YEARS. Yes. So to avoid the apocalypse that trump will surely cause, and the irreparable damage of four more years of fascist insanity, we must do what has to be done.
I think Warren can win.
@Nikki, I have strong doubts. My husband, a Republican, will sit this out if its Biden vs Trump. But if its Warren vs Trump, he’s voting Trump. He doesn’t pay attention to the news. He doesn’t care about the impeachment inquiry. He strongly defends his 2nd amendment rights but is complacent about Trump shredding the Constitution and rule of law.
Honestly, I think divorce might be my only option here.
StartupSpouse – get out while you still can. :-/
StartupSpouse – Sounds like your hubs has some patriarchal BS to unpack…. if a woman would motivate him to vote for Trump. Ridiculous. Must be nice to be a white guy.
I completely understand your calculation, but like Nikki I think Warren can win too.
I think Warren can win too. Yes, she’s a white woman like Hillary was, but there seem to be many fewer people who hate her than hate Hillary. She doesn’t have the same amount of baggage, even given the “Pocahontas” silliness.
Before Hillary declared her run in 2016, she polled higher than Barack Obama himself.
Wait. Just wait.
I think so, too. Hillary would have won in 2016 with just a little more turnout from the Democrats who stayed home because they hated her so much they couldn’t bring themselves to suck it up and vote for her. Like schmootc says, Warren doesn’t have that level of baggage, and the support she does have is a lot more enthusiastic than the lukewarm stuff Hillary had even from those campaigning for her.
Plus, she now has Hillary’s failed campaign to look back at and learn from so she doesn’t make the same mistakes like ignoring crucial swing areas. I believe she’s smart enough to take that lesson.
The false claiming of native ancestry is really going to bite her in the general. Other people are going to run in the republican primary. I don’t think she wins the general.
Excellent points. You are right. Sadly, we will not win with Warren or Harris, because they will be branded as “coastal elites” out of the gate. Also, we have seen that men in the states we need to win will not vote for women. The fight for electoral votes is the only game. We have to have those states that Trump stole last time–and they are in the conservative upper midwest. It may not be fair, but we have no time to get rid of the electoral college before 2020.
Shots. Fired.
Her endorsement won’t matter. The Squad’s endorsement won’t matter. Bernie isn’t a Democrat. He isn’t going to get the nomination. The base isn’t going to vote for him.
Nikki, Warren is my favorite, too, but I think the sexism and misogyny of this country will defeat her. I wish it weren’t so.
She wants the 🍊 turd to win, I take it?
Ugh how unshocking… I’m not nor have ever been an AOC fan but she seems loved here so whatever. Again not surprised she’s a Bernie bro
What makes her a “Bernie Bro” as opposed to just a Bernie supporter?
I like AOC and the squad but her endorsing Bernie probably helps Warren. The squad is a lightening rod and this way Elizabeth Warren can continue to be her own lightening rod while denying she is [insert crazed Fox news insult usually thrown at AOC]. Warren doesn’t have to go as far to the left and has a better chance peeling off some of Biden’s middle of the road folks. I also share concerns about Bernie’s health.
I agree with you about the squad effect.
AOC and Bernie are both self-avowed Socialists. How is this remotely surprising?
It’s not to anybody who has been paying attention
I agree that there is strong patriarchal bullshit, that white men will deliberately vote Trump to get Warren to lose. I’ve mentioned this on this site before, so here it is again: the bumper sticker I saw on a white truck (always a truck): “Madame President, my ass.” At this time, I don’t think a woman will win. Hell, I voted for Hillary, of course, but that -sshole loves to shred women and his fans go wild for it. I just don’t think we, as a country, can risk our candidate losing. It’s our election to lose, I believe (meaning, we can win it if we’re shrewd and united and go head -to- head with an unscrupulous opponent and unseat him by any means necessary, of course, a nod to the great Malcolm X).
*SIGH*
I’m always a big defender of AOC and the Squad but I wish they could be just a bit more strategic sometimes. Like, take a second. Survey the field. Play a long game. Why do this now? And after the heart attack?
My dream ticket rn is Harris/ O’Rourke: youth, diversity, energy, and everything that Trump/Pence is NOT. But I’ll take about six other candidates before Sanders. :-/
Harris/O’Roarke or Harris/Booker for me. I just don’t want to vote for an old white man. Especially one who is not a Democrat.
I *almost* wrote Harris/Booker too. Booker has such great local experience, in addition to national. I’ll vote for Biden if the polls say he has the best chance at beating Trump because that’s the existential threat right now but I’d really like someone younger/ browner/ or a she/her.
Oh mine too! And I think Harris/O’rourke is the winning ticket. It will force republicans to defend Texas hard for one thing. I’m not saying we’d win it, but they’d have to spend a lot of money defending it. And that’s a good thing, as Martha says.
Or maybe even Harris/ Castro? Even though Julian doesn’t have the same recognition as Beto? I agree with you, Texas should be invested in, hard. Not every Republican loves Trump here, and would love an alternative and I think Kamala’s law & order background would win a lot of people over, especially with a hometown guy like Beto or Julian at her side.
By the way, I just bought the book on great women (authored by Hillary and Chelsea Clinton) for my daughter. It’s on the best seller list. I hope everyone else buys it for their daughters and sons. Of course, it’s the fathers who vote who really need to read it.
I don’t “love” AOC but i don’t dislike her. She’s fine. She’s way to the left of me. But I do get quite a kick out of what she does to Republican men. She’s beautiful and they desire her, and they hate her because she’s a socialist and a WOC…but then they desire her again. But ARGH they hate her! Oh the resulting contretemps are such a great show! I have no problem with this endorsement. Like Lala said above, she owes him.
This is so true! She frustrates them because they see a younger, pretty woman and they *think* she should act one way and then she doesn’t and they literally get so angry they can’t tell her what to do.
I appreciate bernies philosophies but I cannot see him lasting 8 years.
I am 38, female and support Bernie completely. Likewise my 33 year old husband is for Bernie. He is 100% Navajo
I agree with everything TC said above. I get shamed and condescended to by leftists as much as the right lately. I usually stay silent, but you all sometimes really upset me with the tone and narrow-mindedness.
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I’m a 35 year old female voting for Bernie. All of my siblings and their spouses support him over Warren, as well as a lot of our friends. I wonder how much of it depends on your location. We’re in the PNW.
HM, I am in NJ but born in NYC. Husband was born on the Rez in NM. I wonder about location too.
That definitely sounds about right for the PNW, yeah.
I’m under 35, an indigenous woman, a wife and stepmom and I’m voting for Andrew Yang. I think Bernie and Warren are great but Yang’s ideas just make so much more sense to me and align with where I hope this country can head.
I love Andrew Yang and everything he’s saying–I think he’s far too new of a voice and a little too radical for the mainstream to have any kind of a shot at the nomination, but I’m glad he’s still around. Whoever does win the nomination needs to give him a position with good influence in their administration, should they win the election.
I always thought Warren would have no trouble beating the horrible one, but my husband said the same thing as poster above, men white or not, wouldn’t want to vote for a female (not him, he voted for Hilary). Very discouraging, especially when you think of all the powerful women other nations have had at the top. And you say she’s not as disliked as Hilary, but that’s before Trump has really dug into her, being he’s so distracted by Biden. So I think Biden is really a Democrat’s only chance, so I’ll probably hold my nose and vote for him in the primary.
Long time lurker here –
I think the time for strategic and pragmatic voting is past. Trying to rationalize why it is more prudent and effective to support a “realistic” candidate is akin to hiding your head in the sand at this point. It did not work out the last time, did it?
Bernie… Yes he is old. But it is Biden who is truly old, not only because he seems to be semi-senile, but in the sense that he is more of the same old, same old. The sense of dynastic entitlement. Like Clinton, their time is over. As Trumps presidency is a daily proof.
I like Warren and, personally, i think she and Sanders on one ticket would be the perfect combo.
I don’t know if either of them can win. But as the last election showed trying to outmaneuver so called deplorables is futile anyhow. I don’t believe in bulking people together into some pre-defined, set box. Sure there are deplorables. But i am also pretty sure there are far less of them in your country that most believe. People are people, no matter how effed up. With their fears, hopes and beliefs. We should just give up trying to outsmart or out-strategize those we don’t agree with or don’t understand. To predict and manipulate their behaviour. It is exhausting and it is desperate and it is futile, and i’d hope we have learnt our lesson in the last few years. I hope. Even though i understand the impulse.
It is time for everyone to vote according to their beliefs rather than “choosing the lesser of 2 evils” or being motivated by fear of losing. Fear never brings progress in the grand scheme of things. Courage and integrity does. And courage means accepting that we might lose. And be prepared to face it. After all, no matter how we try to hide behind our self-righteousness and frequent virtue signalling, we ALL deserve the governments we get at the end of the day. Trump isn’t here because of some totally alien “deplorables”, utterly separate from our reality. And he himself is merely a poor, idiotic narcissist who couldn’t be any different even if he wanted to. Trump and his kind are here because of all of us, if we look deeper within and are brutally honest with ourselves
I’m 34, female, and have been team Bernie since the last election. I believe in his policies – healthcare as a right for all, education for all, etc it’s possible in other countries but not here?? That said, I also like other candidates like Warren, Kamala (I’ve supported her since her AG days), Beto…I do not like Pete one bit after his comments about “pocket change” donations and his policies. Either way, blue no matter who
“Either way, blue no matter who”
I’ve never heard that slogan before, but that’s good! I’m gonna use that.