Katy Perry on Taylor Swift: ‘I saw some self-awareness starting to happen’

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Stellar Magazine is the weekend magazine of Australia’s Daily Telegraph. Katy Perry covers the latest issue because she’s performing at the women’s cricket World Cup on International Women’s Day, and the Aussies are trying to break the record for highest attendance at a woman’s sporting event. Katy seemed very relaxed and only a little bit shady in this interview, and you’ll see it when it comes up. You can read the full piece here. Some highlights:

Whether we still “need” an International Women’s Day: “Yes, we do. Because there’s so much work still to be done. We still have a discrepancy with pay and utilisation of women in job spaces. I’m not one of those people that is solely about “the future is female”. The future is both male and female. I believe in a more humanitarian future because I have a partner [Orlando Bloom] who is supportive, kind and a champion of women and children. He’s sensitive and vulnerable – and still the hottest guy on the beach.

On trying to be a role model to young girls: “My parents, even though we’ve had our disagreements along the way, instilled such a good moral compass in me. Young people are so influential, I’m so influential and every interaction results in a feeling – and it really is how you use those feelings. I have boundaries with adults, but when I’m out and kids want to come up and say hi, I will never say no. I’m conscious I might only meet them one time and it might have a huge effect on them. I do try and live in a really kind, integrous way. And I’m not always that way – I have bad days as well, you know? Sometimes my fiancé would say, “OK… maybe not today.” It’s funny how your partner gets both the best and the worst of you.

Her wedding planning: “I call myself a “bridechilla” as opposed to a bridezilla. Orlando and I are united with our approach. It’s not about the party, it’s about the coming together of people who will hold us accountable when things get really hard. Because it’s really great and then it’s really hard. Those are just the facts when you’re with someone who challenges you to be your best self.

How she would characterize her “friendship” with Taylor Swift at this point: “Well, we don’t have a very close relationship because we are very busy, but we text a lot. I was impressed by her documentary [Miss Americana] because I saw some self-awareness starting to happen and I saw a lot of vulnerability. I was really excited for her to be able to show that to the world: that things aren’t perfect, they don’t have to be and it’s more beautiful when they aren’t. Even though it was difficult, it was important to make that appearance in the music video because people want people to look up to. We wanted it to be an example of unity. Forgiveness is important. It’s so powerful. If you can forgive your enemy, that’s amazing. As difficult as it is!

[From Stellar/The Daily Telegraph]

“I was impressed by her documentary [Miss Americana] because I saw some self-awareness starting to happen…” I laughed. I hope the Snake Fam can laugh too, because it’s certainly true – Taylor Swift has been infantilized by the media and her fans for so many years, and she’s 30 years old now and only *just* now developing any kind of self-awareness. Although sometimes I’m not so sure. As for the rest of it… I find her comments about Orlando and wedding-planning really interesting. This is the second marriage for both Katy and Orlando. Katy in particular already had her “dream wedding” and the marriage crashed and burned in short order. I do think that she’s learned – the hard way – that the marriage is what’s important, not the wedding.

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  1. Didgy says:

    Love me some Katy!

  2. T says:

    I’m not a Taylor or Katy stan. With that said, I think both still need a very large dose of self awareness. Sure, they’ve both started to display some mature, self aware thinking, but…. yeah. They’re both out of touch to certain and different degrees.

  3. Erinn says:

    I mean, let’s not pretend Katy is super self-aware either. Both women are stunted in a lot of ways. Neither are evil, neither are paragons of virtue, neither of them are all that deep.

    Tay has the embarrassing snake fam, Katy used boyfriends to attack Tay’s looks. The feud certainly wasn’t one sided, and there aren’t really any winners.

    It wasn’t long ago that Katy had shoes removed from stores because they looked like they were designed to resemble black face. She’s also had more than one incident of guys saying she’s sexually harassed them. It’s easy to say that TS is not a feminist and that she’s loved by white supremacists, and all of those things – but I find it interesting that Katy seems to get a lot of passes on her own mistakes. I wonder if that’s partially because she’s always marketed herself as a bit ditzy, so we expect it to a degree?

    I just think both ladies could use a heaping dose of self awareness and reality. I don’t wish any ill to either of them, and I can enjoy some of their music. But I think being in the industry pretty young screwed them BOTH up substantially. I do love Taylor’s cats, though, and I like that pastels are everywhere lately. Really, I’m just team cats. @Kaiser, let’s get an obligatory kitty image with all things Taylor, please?

    • Allz says:

      Hey Erinn, honest question- how did Katy use her bf to body shame Taylor? I assume you mean Diplo when he rudely said something about Taylor not having a butt. And I know Katy was dating him at the time and Taylor/Katy were feuding at the time, but why are we blaming her for that tweet? Diplo had said he had a lot of dirt on Taylor at the time, why couldn’t he have used his own brain and make that comment? Unless I’m missing something, I really don’t understand why we blame women for stupid crap their boyfriends do.

      Idk, the documentary was obviously meant to put Taylor in a good light, and it’s nice that Taylor feels she’s in a place to stand up in her beliefs. But is she brave to do so when she’s been at the top of career for five years now? No. Is she only standing up for issues that have become mainstream? Yes. I don’t see much self awareness from either of them.

      • Erinn says:

        Oh she doesn’t control him – he’s shady as hell on his own, too. But it’s interesting that his feud ONLY seemed to start when he was dating Katy. He didn’t seem to take any issue with her before. Personally, if I was Katy, I’d have been horrified if the guy I was dating was out tweeting about another woman’s supposed lack of a butt. If he’s quick to slam the appearance of other women, he’s probably not a solid dude. It was just a really out of line kind of thing to do, and I think if I had been in her position, I’d have made some kind of comment on that, privately or publicly. No, we can’t blame her for his actions and we shouldn’t, but I think she could have done more, and I do absolutely think she encouraged the behavior from behind the scenes because she was angry with Swift.

        I think they’re just both pretty similar, and mostly, I find it interesting how differently they’re perceived. Swift waited too long to start talking about feminism and political issues – but I do appreciate that she is finally doing it. Katy ALSO took a really long time to get on board with some pretty mainstream ideas, but again, better late than never. For Katy, I feel like it was only around her last album/ the 2016 election that she REALLY started to get involved. Katy was even older than Taylor was before she started to get up to speed in those areas.

    • ItReallyIsYou,NotMe says:

      They both have a long way to go towards self-awareness but then I remember that they are 30 and realize how much growing up is done from 30 to 40. I think they will both be much more self-aware and less self-centered once they hit 40.

  4. Case says:

    I love Taylor but I honestly didn’t see much self-awareness in her documentary. It’s absolutely wonderful that she’s using her voice in politics and I think she speaks about it in a very intelligent, well-informed way. But when it comes to her personal drama and such – still no self awareness as to how she gets into these situations, like the Kanye phone call debacle. And she’ll probably take it to her grave what boyfriends were real vs. just for publicity. Much of her is still stunted and immature, and probably always will be.

  5. Valiantly Varnished says:

    Now if only Katy had some self-awareness as well. Miss British Asian Ambassador.

    • Carrie says:

      Second the Miss British Asian comment. Yes she was offered it but she didn’t have to accept.
      Also this. Don’t diss another woman’s wedding gown. Hitching your coattails to someone else AND being nasty to gain some cheap publicity. No. Just stop.

  6. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    That’s a very good burger costume.

  7. girl_ninja says:

    Self aware?

    Katy accepted ambassador of the British Asian Trust appointed by Chuck.

    Come on now.

  8. ST says:

    This actually confirms Taylor’s comment that when they were originally friendly that it was very confusing because Perry’s compliments sound like harsh criticism. Katy always seems to take a dig even when being nice. The question I guess is Katy is malicious, or just ignorant about she implications of her words. That extends to the British-Asian Ambassadorship and so many other things beyond Taylor.

    • unproductive says:

      This. I can’t stop forever rolling my eyes at Katy Perry, she is FIVE YEARS OLDER than Taylor Swift. That age difference matters less and less as they get older, but damn if she didn’t look like an idiot beefing w/ a 22-y.o. when she was closing in on 30.

  9. naomipaige99 says:

    OMG! I thought KP was Sharon Osbourne.

  10. naomipaige99 says:

    OMG! I thought KP (burger outfit,) was Sharon Osbourne.

  11. Tuntmore says:

    Ugh, both Taylor Swift and Katy Perry tire me out. Neither seems very self-aware or authentic. Both are overrated, both are annoying, and they pretty much deserve each other.

    I’ll never forget Lady Gaga and Kesha’s text messages where they talked about how mean Katy Perry is. I think Swift is probably kinder than Perry, although they both have such fake personas that it’s hard to say for sure.

  12. Nanainwonderland says:

    Both her and Taylor need to stop their feud from defining their public persona. It’s all I think about when I see them! Not their songs or talents.