Over the past three days, two women have shared their stories online about being allegedly sexually assaulted by Justin Bieber. One woman going by Danielle says that Bieber assaulted her in the Austin, Texas Four Seasons after a concert in March 2014. The second woman claims Bieber assaulted her in New York in 2015. You can read their accusations here, and Pop Crave posted screencaps – I think Danielle has now deleted her Twitter?
Another woman comes forward accusing Justin Bieber of sexually assaulting her in New York City in 2015. pic.twitter.com/y8OQRnUVuk
— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) June 21, 2020
I’m not a Bieber fan nor am I a Selenator or whatever – I have no fave to defend. During this period of time – I would say 2014 through 2017 – Justin was dating Selena Gomez on-and-off, and he also went through a phase where he was dating what seemed like a constant stream of 17 to 19 year-olds. I remember he went on vacation to Hawaii with like five late-teen girls one time. I have no point other than I’m a little bit surprised these kinds of accusations haven’t happened before. But it looks like Justin was prepared for something like this to happen – he pulled out the receipts on Twitter yesterday. Here’s part of what he said (and he was linking to things on these tweets too):
I don’t normally address things as I have dealt with random accusations my entire career but after talking with my wife and team I have decided to speak up on an issue tonight. Rumors are rumors but sexual abuse is something I don’t take lightly. I wanted to speak out right away but out of respect to so many victims who deal with these issues daily I wanted to make sure I gathered the facts before I made any statement.
In the past 24 hours a new Twitter appeared that told a story of myself involved with sexual abuse on March 9, 2014 in Austin Texas at the Four seasons hotel. I want to be clear. There is no truth to this story. In fact as I will soon show I was never present at that location. As her story told I did surprise a crowd in Austin at Sxsw where I appeared on stage with my then assistant side stage and sang a few songs. What this person did not know was that I attended that show with my then gf Selena Gomez.
He then went on to pull out the receipts that he was in Austin with Selena on the dates in question, and that he and Selena were actually staying at Airbnb. He really did post the actual receipts of where he was staying and when. At no time did he say that victims’ stories should not be told, he just methodically laid out his evidence for why it would be impossible for him to assault a woman in a Four Seasons hotel room on that date.
Every claim of sexual abuse should be taken very seriously and this is why my response was needed. However this story is factually impossible and that is why I will be working with twitter and authorities to take legal action.
— Justin Bieber (@justinbieber) June 22, 2020
Furthermore I stayed with Selena and our friends at an airbnb on the 9th and on the 10th stayed at a Westin because our hotel reservation at LÀ Quinta and not the four seasons was messed up. Here are the receipts for the hotel on the 10th pic.twitter.com/hLNHnvJ6XS
— Justin Bieber (@justinbieber) June 22, 2020
Photos courtesy of Backgrid.
Yeah this was about the best way one could respond in those circumstances….which is why I’m assuming his people came up with that.
Ansel Elgort though? Wow the stories are flying and Hollywood media Twitter is doing their not so thinly veiled, “yeah, no shock”. So f**k that guy.
I just finished watching a show on the BBC called “I may destroy you”(fictional about a millennial who gets date raped in London) Recommended watching it 100%. It makes you wonder just causally walking down the street there are guys like this who you would never think to suspect.
But he just happens to have the receipts. What if he had no receipts because he was staying at the hotel? Would that mean he was guilty?
I think we should believe women as we hear their stories. It shouldn’t be an act. We should listen attentively and sympathetically. But, when an accusation is made, we should also listen to the person accused. We should listen with the same attention to detail and the same assumption that they are telling the truth.
Honestly, celebrities do attract mentally unstable people. That’s the nature of being in the public eye. There are also a lot of celebrities who think they are above the law and use their power to manipulate, assault, rape, and cover up abuse.
I have been watching the Netflix show I Am a Killer. Sometimes you believe someone is horrible right up until you hear their side of the story. Sometimes, you absolutely believe the person has been wrongly imprisoned and then one little detail from their story comes out and you realize they have been lying.
We should listen to people when they say they have been victimized. We should respect them and allow them to speak without questioning their integrity. And we should also respect the rights of the accused. I hate to think of someone’s rapist going free. I am also very disturbed at the thought of someone losing their reputation and opportunities because they were targeted by a malicious lie. Women and men can both lie. Both can be victims.
Due process.
Very eloquently put Nic. It’s a shame because it’s only when a ***pattern *** develops then it is harder to cast doubt.
Is it me or this weekend there has been a lot of sexual assault allegations against young actors / celebrities? I couldn’t keep track between Riverdale actors, Bieber and Ansel Elgort
There was a hashtag #SpeakingOut that started trending on Friday about the British Pro Wrestling scene. By Saturday there was a list of 75 names and it started bleeding over into the US with stories about a few WWE guys. Not sure if it’s directly related, but I wouldn’t be surprised about a round of speaking out in one industry could have given people the courage to speak out as well in others…
Just to add to my previous comment, there was a whole host of allegations that came out over the weekend in the Twitch, YouTube and e-sports communities as well, so it was an even darker weekend than I thought…
75 names !! Wow
I like his statement. Way to go, Bieber.
That kid has serious mental health issues and needs help while staying out of the public eye. Think his wife is supposed to be his minder/babysitter but appears mostly concerned about her own press and wardrobe.
It’s not her job to babysit her husband. If he needs professional help, then certainly she should support and encourage him to do so, but no one should be making her responsible for it.
Danielle has now deleted her Twitter and disappeared into thin air, so perhaps she realizes she’s not going to get anywhere on getting a lucrative payout.
I hear you and agree but it’s my theory babysitting was part of the deal to get to marry him by his management.
She deleted her Twitter because she’s lying. She’s taking away credibility from real victims. This smells just like what happened to Conor Oberst. Sue her for everything she owns and donate the proceeds to real victims.
LOL, some people, especially famous ones, literally have an agreement that that’s exactly what their spouse or SO’s job. They come into the relationship with it settled ahead of time. They get paid nicely for it too.
See Sam Asghari. Whomever Ben Affleck’s dating at any given time. Etc.
This seems like a really good way to respond. I’m surprised! It seems appropriate to just bring out the facts and not go off emotion.
I would be curious to hear from Selena. Does she remember that night? Was she with him the whole time?
How on earth does this prove he didn’t do it? If you read the first twitter thread, there are tweets from that day of employees and fans seeing Justin at that hotel. Just because he stayed the night at an Airbnb doesn’t mean he couldn’t have stopped somewhere else first. There are more allegations than this too.
Yeah, it’s totally possible Selena was at the Air BNB while the Biebs was up to no good at the Four Seasons. These receipts proved nada.
She flew out to NY at some point the evening of the 9th or early hours of the 10th anyways, so he didn’t even have to leave her behind.
Yeah, I’m not sure how Justin’s receipts prove anything really. Just because he was booked into an Airbnb with Selena, doesn’t mean he didn’t party at the Four Seasons. Also, I saw another tweet that placed him in a restaurant at the Four Seasons on the date in question.
This weekend has been filled with allegations of this type. Along with Bieber, I’ve seen stories about the guys from Riverdale (not sure which actors – Cole Sprouse tweeted about it) and Ansel Elgort (who denied allegations while confirming a consensual relationship). In Ireland, Twitter rumours abound regarding Glen Hansard (The Frames) and Liam Cunningham (Ser Davos).
I missed those, any links Shutterbug, I believe Hansard has form in this area.
@Zapp This twitter thread: https://twitter.com/EimhinMcNamara/status/1274615440149544960
Irish twitter has been difficult this past weekend. There’s a lot more than that thread, and it’s very difficult for people to name names.. Defamation laws here are terrifying.
@Zapp – News outlets don’t seem to be picking up on the Hansard stuff but it’s all over Twitter. I was a regular at Frames gigs way back when and I’d say he has form alright. If you search his name on Twitter you’ll find what you need. One account in particular has tweeted a lot about him and others in the Irish music industry.
@Zapp @Cerceau Yep – that’s the thread!
Oh wow. I have liked a lot of Hansard’s music over the years, but never really followed beyond that. How awful. Glad people are finally feeling free to speak up though.
Yes, this is a Scooter Braun special. And it’s alarming how well it always works as you can see by the way this story was written.
Oh yeah, I bet you’re right.
Yep, it’s an extremely underhanded tactic because it proves only that he booked the Air BnB, but when framed the right way, it can superficially exonerate him. We wonder how they get away with this, but when you think about how many people are invested in keeping up the reputations of these celebrities to make money off them….there’s a lot of skeletons in those Hollywood closets, I’m betting.
He cannot prove not doing something though.
I’m not a Bieber fan ( hate him) or Selena fan ( neutral on her) but in all honesty, it may not totally clear him but what would at this point? Only a court of law. And the accuser has disappeared from twitter which is not a great sign. I see other posters notes that he was spotted at four seasons that night and maybe that proves something but I’m not sure how you defend yourself here other than what he did. And I really dislike the guy.
Plus The girl was blocking everyone offering her a legal advice in DM. Why would she do that ?
Exactly. All evidence unless there is physical evidence is circumstantial when it comes to cases like this. And the Danielle person started a Twitter account expressly for this purpose and then deleted it when Bieber released his statement. It’s shady.
@ALLZ I hate to be the person doubting a victim’s story but the story is fake. Her whole story is inspired by a fan video on YouTube. Words by words https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Nj_EHysWMfk&noapp=1
It makes me sick that some people are using sexual violence for 5 minutes of clout right now.
I’m not going to listen to someone ramble that long, does she just say Selena was with Justin at the concert? Because that’s irrelevant to what he did and how he spent the hours after she flew back to NY.
And Selena flew out that same night (or early morning), and was photographed in the early morning in NY on the 10th. These receipts prove absolutely nothing.
Also I’m pretty sure Scooter Braun got the accuser taken off Twitter because it was a burner account making accusations. She didn’t delete her account. She said she had friends there with her so if she decides to tell her story and put her full name to it, I think Bieber would be in trouble. That’s the only reason they’re coming out swinging this hard at an anonymous accusation on Twitter. IMO.
Selena wasn’t the only person with him that night , the other friends gave receipts/pictures too of the same night. Plus fans pictures too. I don’t know how many receipts he can give now. Just say you don’t like him and go. How to you even explain that the girl is blocking people that were trying to give her legal advise on DM ?
He obviously can’t prove something he didn’t do, but pretending pictures of him performing that concert at 11 pm or hanging out with friends that night exonerate him, is absurd. She said he was with friends. She said she saw him perform. She said Selena was there with him at the concert. So photos of those things don’t prove anything or in any way disprove her accusations. The fact that he had an air bnb rented also proves nothing.
If his friends have photos of them at the air bnb that night or paparazzi have photos of him going to the air bnb that night and not leaving, then okay that’s different. But I haven’t seen that.
I agree. Having AirBNB receipts doesn’t prove much to me, other than they paid for an AirBNB that night.
That’s the first thought that came to my mind. I haven’t read any of the details, but this seems like a he said she said, much like many of the cases that have come out, so I’m not sure why everyone thinks a receipt proves anything and is willing to immediately praise him. Not saying he did anything, but definitely not saying she’s a liar on the basis of this alone.
Actually I just read a piece over on Variety, there were a lot more “receipts” than listed here.
I agree… I’m not saying he did it but I don’t think these receipts prove anything. He is so protected by lawyers and agents, he could easily pay off people or create receipts to tell a story a certain way.
That was my thought exactly. Somebody telling a friend something happened, receipts that you paid for a hotel or airbnb – those are corroborating evidence, but not definitive proof.
Any wealthy date rapist should just buy multiple lodgings wherever they go, by this logic.
I kind of believe him.
Selena stans on Twitter are telling him to keep her name out his mouth … but if she can collaborate his story then I understand why he’s including her.
I’m pretty impressed with this response. The best way to acknowledge these accusations is to come back with facts and not let emotion play into his rebuttal.
I was surprised by how to the point it was. I expected this to be a complete sh-t show, and it still could be. But at least he didn’t go out there shaming victims. If he didn’t do it, this was a relatively mature response, and I’m not really sure what else he could have done if that’s the case.
Was he able to put all those receipts together this fast or did they have a defense plan in place because they knew accusations would come up sooner rather than later? These were his high jerk and druggie years so I would not be surprised if he did some of these things.
To be fair I could tell you dates I stayed places in like 2 minutes. Its all in my inbox
I can see all my receipts from the last 8 years with my phone/laptop. It is easy, expecially if you use the for tax reasons (wich Bieber as a performer would do)
His business manager would have all paperwork regarding his tour dates and financials organized by date. They probably found this in a few hours.
I have all the receipts for the places Ive traveled saved and could pull them up in less than 20 minutes if I needed to. Not that shocking. Especially if you’re famous and need to keep record of things for tax purposes. And in instances like this unfortunately
I believe him.
So he’s claiming it couldn’t have physically happened because he stayed at the Air BnB, but he was still physically in the area during the daylight hours and there are no receipts for the New York accusation he’s not addressing?
Gotta be real honest, guys. Anytime I see accusations come out against celebrities or the wealthy, male or female, when it comes to abuse or sexual assault, I almost inherently side with the victim because the power balance and sense of entitlement they have is just so outrageously skewed compared to the rest of the population. I just have no problem seeing how these people feel they have a right to use others like commodities given the industry they’re in and how easily it can be paid off and covered up.
@Veronica. Agreed. Plus with Karens now a days and the history of white women literally lying on black men (not to sidetrack the issue but it is similar)… I went from believing victims without a doubt to now questioning everything more intensely than before.
Yes I commented above something similar. I’m sure he could “find” any receipts he wants, as in fabricate if necessary.
I do reserve my judgement either way when it is an anonymous twitter account or something similar. Why not go to the police? This would make such a claim more credible. As the Weinstein and Cosby trials have quite publicly shown, they can be successful even years after it happened.
I think there is too much of a mob culture via social media and twitter already, condemning people because of unverified or unverifiable claims. Being a woman myself, I am all for believing victims, especially as conviction rates are so low for rape, but I don’t think we gain anything in terms of credibility with anonymous twitter messages.
The alleged New York victim never met him, especially not on the date she claims he assaulted her. She even tweeted about it back then and now fabricates lies. She discredited herself. Bieber and his team did not even have to do anything and that’s probably why they did not address it.
As others have said, there are also tweets and sightings of him at the exact Four Seasons during that time. It’s hardly impossible to book two places to stay at.
I am a little shocked that nothing has come out before now about JB. I wonder why the women waited until now to say something? Just seems a little strange but I am sure they have their reason. I wonder how he was able to produce a receipt for a hotel from that long ago? And so quickly.
I mean he’d be a prime target for accusations like this even if he were a Boy Scout. His fans are insane. He should be able to account for every single hour of every day just in case one of the bunny boilers snaps.
I don’t think these receipts prove anything though. If the accusations are true, there are certainly more like them out there.
My question is, why would the girl pick a day when he was photographed with Selena if she were lying? She could easily find him photographed in another city when he was alone or just with friends. So predictably he’s using Selena as his shield, but according to her fans she didn’t even stay the night in Austin.
The accountants have the receipts all organized and filed. That’s their job. The receipts prove nothing. Nothing proves anything that anyone is saying.
The question of whether or not he had access to a room at the four seasons is pretty much impossible to prove or disprove.
He’s had a few groping complaints. I saw some articles floating around on Twitter, like of a playboy bunny saying she slapped him for groping her a few years ago. It’s not all brand new.
This happened to Conor Oberst and it destroyed his career. People who make false allegations are sick in the head and they chip away at the credibility of real victims. Oberst sued and I hope if these are proved false Justin does as well and donates the money to real victims.
He said he was going to sue. I can’t wait to see the outcome of this story.
Ah yes, I also can’t wait for a multi-millionaire to sue a possible victim. It’s basically impossible to prove a rape in court, because it’s always going to be a he vs she said. And his fans will meanwhile harass anyone that would come forward. What about all the victims whose entire life are ruined by assault?
Allz, you’re assuming she’s a victim. Normally I believe the victims, but there are to many very familiar red flags this time. Look up what happened to Conor Oberst. She absolutely deserves to be sued if she ruins his career based on false allegations. People who lie about this because they have some sick mental fixation exist. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. And they hurt the credibility of real victims.
Hasn’t Conor said he doesn’t want his experience to be used to discredit other women telling their stories?
I actually believe him and think he did well with this statement. I automatically lean toward believing victims, especially having been one myself. However, for some reason his words just ring true to me. Knowing how crazy his fan base is, I think he was right to release this, and he did so in a way that was sensitive to the topic. He has been impressing me lately. I hope he continues to do well.
This…is actually one of the best responses to a sexual assault allegation Ive seen. And I believe him.
I don’t think he did well with his statement because 1) his management wrote it and 2) there were two accusations against him and he only addressed one.
The second one discredited herself. She claims he assaulted her May 5, 2015. Yet on May 18 and June 6, 2015 she whines on twitter how bad she wants to meet & bang him.
This doesn’t prove anything because he easily could have had two hotel rooms.
This doesn’t actually prove anything, either way. None of it proves anything. He is rich enough to have receipts for a dozen hotel rooms.
Even in a court of law, rape is notoriously hard to prove, not least because of systemic sexism. I think we all know rich white men are likely to get off or get easy sentences.
Even on a website like this, look how many of you want to jump to conclusions and believe him now. I find that really troubling.
Yup! TAWY.
Go read his Twitter – he lays it all out methodically.
She is lying.
First, Bieber is annoying and somewhat a douche and I do always believe victims automatically as a first step as I did with this one BUT this one seems fishy until we get more information. From what I saw it was an anonymous account? also some of the descriptions used in the account seemed … suspect. I’ll just leave it at that. It just doesn’t ring true the way that Ansel’s accuser does. We need corroboration (witness, friend she told this to, texts/photos, name, a journalist talking to her). Yes it sucks that the onus is on the victim but making an accusation from an anonymous twitter account is really the bare minimum.
I see Serena fans dumping on him for dragging her name into it but if she can exonerate him then she absolutely should, or she can refute his account.
Also I’m not sure how releasing vetted statements and defenses is a ding against him. Yeah he used his high powered lawyers to draft something for him ASAP but how is that an indication of guilt? Any celebrity with half a brain, guilty or innocent, would do the same thing (heck even us normals do this albeit with fewer resources)
Also I see people have posted contradicting tweets for the second accusation in the Pop Crave thread. Although the second account seems more believable with specific names of Bieber’s entourage, the accuser tweeted she wished she could meet him after the date she says she met him. He’s a douche but that doesn’t make him a rapist.
Ahhh I’m so so torn. Preface by stating: I am not a Bieber stan but I do think he seems to be more tolerable in recent years. I always side with the victim. I firmly believe in believing the victim. And I don’t know why, but I don’t think he’s lying about this. I think he’s done countless scuzzy things. I’m just not convinced that this is one of them.
I think this is good response but it doesn’t prove anything he didn’t do anything. We’ll just wait and see what happens I guess. I think it’ll come to do if Selena can co-sign his alibi or the victim comes forward with more proof.
I’m not about to believe an anonymous twitter user that deletes their account after throwing out an accusation with no proof. That’s the action of trolls. and i normally side with the victims but this is super fishy.
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This just points out to me that I have two biggest fears for my 2nd grader who is a going to grow up to be a black man. Police violence and some Karen accusing him of some bogus sexual assault. Like do I have to teach him to keep his cell phone on record all the time and keep receipts whenever he meets someone?
There are a lot of posters I have never seen before, popping up to defend Bieber. Just seems a little off?