Donald Trump’s Philadelphia town hall with undecided voters did not go well

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I just wanted to not pay much attention to Donald Trump this week, but here we are. Apparently, Trump did his first “town hall” style event last night. As many have pointed out, Trump does not like these kinds of events, where regular people might ask him questions. He prefers to throw his crazy Nazi rallies where all of his supporters wear MAGA hats and no masks. Last night’s town hall was organized by ABC and it went… poorly.

President Trump doesn’t spend much time with voters who don’t already support him. As The Times’s Maggie Haberman puts it: “Trump, by only doing rallies and almost never doing town hall forums, has been insulated from the kind of voter interaction that usually help incumbents as they’re running. But he craves adulation and many of his aides enable it.”

Last night, though, the president traveled to Philadelphia for a town hall, broadcast by ABC, with voters who identified themselves as undecided. And he heard an earful. The first question came from a 2016 Trump voter who said he was trying to take the coronavirus seriously and had to avoid people who refused to wear masks: “Why did you throw vulnerable people like me under the bus?” the man, Paul Tubiana, asked.

Another voter, Julie Bard, asked why Trump didn’t support a national mask mandate. A third asked why he downplayed the virus. Others asked about racial injustice, Trump’s attempts to take away health insurance from people and his unpresidential behavior.

“I think this is by far the toughest grilling Trump has faced as president,” CNN’s Daniel Dale, who has covered Trump extensively as a fact checker, wrote. Trump responded with a flurry of falsehoods to defend himself. He blamed Joe Biden for the lack of a national mask mandate. Trump also said, “A lot of people think the masks are not good.” At different points, he downplayed the virus and said that he had “up-played” it.

He claimed he was beloved by South Koreans. (His recent approval rating there was 17 percent.) He said all Americans owned stocks. (About half do.) And he said the late John McCain, a war hero who was known in the Senate as an advocate for veterans, didn’t do enough for veterans.

“This is a president who still hasn’t adjusted to the fact that 2020 is not the year he wanted it to be,” Amy Walter of the Cook Political Report wrote.

[From The NY Times]

Trump now says he “up-played” it when he is literally on tape to Bob Woodward talking about how he purposefully downplayed the pandemic. Trump also spoke about herd “mentality” which, for the record, is not the same as herd immunity, and also herd immunity is not anyone’s f–king goal. Trump said, about the virus, “It is going to disappear — it’s going to disappear, I still say it. You’ll develop herd — like a herd mentality. It’s going to be — it’s going to be herd-developed, and that’s going to happen. That will all happen.” Herd mentality can also describe Trump’s Nazi supporters. My God. Why isn’t this bigger news? Is it because no one was watching?

Fox News was watching. Laura WhatsHerGuts called the town hall an “ambush.”

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144 Responses to “Donald Trump’s Philadelphia town hall with undecided voters did not go well”

  1. Lightpurple says:

    Biden should request that all the debates be town hall forums but Trump will never do another of these.

    • Chanteloup says:

      +10000 He has the biggest [his favorite desperate adjective], most laughable toddler melt-downs anytime he’s not surrounded by faux adoring servile syncophants telling him how great he is.
      Whose job is it to get him into the meticulously calculated druggie haze where he’s conscious enough not to actually fall asleep, but numb enough that he doesn’t explode in a complete public rage -

      We’re in hell.

      • Hayy says:

        Trumps rally goers seems like “widespread panic” fans. Not in terms of politics, I wouldn’t really know, but in terms of knowing how to dress & playlists…it’s become a “show” that has followers. Of note is how the main act admits/states the current deadly pandemic is airborne, yet it’s not the “thing” to mask up nor social distance. It feels like a cult with negative undue influence?

    • emmy says:

      Will he even participate? He has nothing to gain from the debates. If he does, I pray Biden can ignore him the whole time and just focus on voters and talk to them. With Trump the best he can do is to simply not engage. Without looking condescending.

      • Zaya says:

        @emmy, they’ve both agreed on the moderators for the debates, so it’s happening.

      • emmy says:

        It’ll be a new level of sh*tshow. Christ.

      • jenellesTiktok says:

        He will do at least one debate because that is what candidates who are running behind want. The race has been fairly stable with Biden ahead so Donald is desperately seeking anything that will shake it up. Hopefully he gets a virtual debate so he can’t pull as many stunts as he could if he were there in person. Hopefully it’s also visible to the public that he has trouble walking without stumbling.

    • Scal says:

      What’s insane is that this was agreed to and pushed by trumps team to distract from the woodward debacle. Like do they not know their boss at all?

      Countdown until someone gets fired and all those voters were losers and haters.

    • AnnaKist says:

      Yep. If he had half a brain, he’d be secretly watching recordings of Jacinda Ardern to see how this leadership thing is done. But he doesn’t have half a brain, so…What a twunt.

      • Chelsea Poole says:

        On a side note, “twunt” is my new favorite word…lol!

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        PERFECT word for the Tangerine Traitor! I’m co-signing! DEFINITELY borrowing this one, thanks, Annakist!

      • Betsy says:

        Not only is he not bright enough to see how leadership is done, but he doesn’t understand any leadership that isn’t basically a dictator.

        And he hates women, so there’s that reason he’d never learn from her example, either.

  2. FYI says:

    I’ll ask the same question everyone is asking right now. HOW does anyone still support this person? Every single thing he does is mendacious. If there are any Trump voters on this board (which I doubt), can you explain it? I’m not trying to start a flame war, I truly am trying to understand.

    • Becks1 says:

      I met a trump supporter a few weeks ago who was pretty candid about it, he said that his vote for Trump was 100% because he had benefited under Trump’s tax plan and he wanted more money in his pocket, so he would vote for him again. That was his sole reason. I asked him about *everything else* and he said that he didn’t think what Trump was actually doing was that different from what a dem would do, besides the tweeting. He was a white man who made a lot of money, so I could believe that his vote was 100% wallet based, since he doesn’t face racism, isn’t in danger of being deported, or having his civil rights taken away based on how he identifies, etc. He was unable to put himself in other people’s shoes. There was a distinct lack of empathy and I think that’s what you’ll see with many of his supporters.

      • Tom says:

        Greed is by far the #1 motivation for suburban Trump supporters. I am convinced of it.

      • Esmom says:

        Yes, this is what motivates those who SHOULD know better. The other segment is people who live in a bubble of right wing propaganda and actually believe Trump has accomplished a lot of their behalf and that Democrats will burn down the cities and kill babies.

      • Chanteloup says:

        And the accompanying racism, sexism and xenophobia is the icing on the cake

      • Louisa says:

        Becks1 this is what I have experienced also. For middle class to wealthy white men it’s all about taxes and how well their stocks are doing. They say his tweets and name calling is “unfortunate” and as for all the human rights violations, just not on their radar.

      • Swack says:

        Also know someone who will be voting for Trump and money is the reason. He says he is not a Trump supporter but I believe a says he is Libertarian. All the sh!t he espouses on FB threads makes him look lie a total Trump supporter.

      • Erin says:

        @Becks this describes my father/parents perfectly. I have tried so many different ways to get him to feel empathy. Unfortunately he has never been the most empathetic person and has gotten worse in older age and under Trump. It’s been so depressing, but has also forced me to examine the trauma I experienced due to my father as an adult, so I guess there’s that! Overall, I think a lot of us are feeling shocked and pained at how our parents have turned out to be in their older age. There’s just no reason or excuse for intolerance.

      • detritus says:

        My thought has always been that you don’t vote for yourself, but for the most vulnerable. For the community.

        It’s so foreign to vote only based on what makes you life better without thinking of absolutely anyone else.

      • Sankay says:

        Did this guy actually do the math because I’ve heard a few people who reviewed their tax returns and were surprised that they made more money under Obama.

      • Sass says:

        I agree, almost anyone I know who supports him fits this description. They are mostly older yt men with a good bit of money. The others are wives or adult daughters of these men who immediately benefit from that financial gain. My husband is a RINO (he just can’t bring himself to change his affiliation; I’m unaffiliated myself) and he’s voting for Biden. Gotta say it makes me feel better knowing that I’m married to someone who thinks others’ lives are more important than his own wallet, although that’s still a low bar.

      • Leah says:

        I know someone who thinks that exact same way.

        He thinks that Trump is a uncouth lying bastard but he’ll vote for him because “he made me a lot of money on the stock market”. Sure, by pouring money into it and falsely inflating it to look like it’s making money. He’s an older white guy, 70’s, and a doctor with a lot of money. He’s not some uneducated heehaw like most of Trump’s base. Doesn’t seem to care if Rome burns as long as he gets his share of the loot.

      • Onemoretime says:

        Greed is definitely a factor. I have a close friend African American male who makes 6 figures and he said he wasn’t going to vote last election because he didn’t like either candidate. Then when the first month in 2017, this administration cut Tricare benefits he cried foul as he is a veteran. I confronted him about not voting and he said he did vote.
        We wouldn’t admit to voting for Trump but I know he didn’t vote for Hilary. He doesn’t like Harris on the ticket so he’ll probably vote is “secret” republican vote for Trump again because he too likes his tax breaks.

      • Giddy says:

        The only person I have asked about supporting Trump, my brother, listed all the financial and tax advantages he said had come his way under Trump. His other big focus was the Supreme Court. He likes Trump’s appointments, and flat out told me that he and most other Republicans hoped that Trump would get the opportunity to fill RBG’s spot. He said even if Trump lost he would still have a few months when she could die! I was so angry I started crying! That was several months ago, and we haven’t spoken since.

      • Nic919 says:

        The problem with that thinking is that Covid has blown away the economy and until it is dealt with properly, few of any will be making money. Sure Bezos will be fine. But the upper middle class won’t be benefitting in the same way as them.

        A sane rational man needs to be president and Biden is the only option. Plus turning the country into a criminal syndicate will eventually be bad for all business because the US won’t be seen as a reliable place to do business and so China will benefit.

      • Chanteloup says:

        @Giddy Your brother may never apologize, so I will for him. I am so sorry! That is loathesome :-( I have some relatives I may never speak to again.

      • Cate says:

        Do these people not know how the payroll tax deferral works? It went into effect 9/1/2020. Employers stop withholding the 6.2% social security tax for the rest of the year. You think your paycheck looks bigger. Come January 2021 it’s time to pay the Piper, you have to pay that back, in addition to the tax being reinstated. It’s a bad payday loan. I don’t understand how people can be this dumb.

    • Aang says:

      Remember Kenny Rodgers advice to “know when to fold ‘em”? Trump’s supporters need to take that advice but I think they are too afraid to admit they were bamboozled. It would mean admitting they are as stupid as liberals say they are.

    • manda says:

      It’s really shocking how many stupid awful people there are. And that’s it. If you surround yourself with decent people, you might have lulled yourself into thinking that most people are good and generally care about others, but I really don’t think that’s the case.

      Also, I know some evangelicals that only vote republican because of abortion. And like Becks1 said, a lot of people can really see no further than themselves and if they benefit, then that’s all that matters.

      • Merricat says:

        Those anti-abortion folks who vote for Trump–what kind of world are they saving those fetuses for?

      • LaraK says:

        They don’t care what kind of world the fetuses will live in. Once they are born, they are on their own!
        They should take some personal baby responsibility and pull themselves up by their bootie straps.

      • holly hobby says:

        So they are also ok with doctors giving women, detained in those concentration camps, involuntary hysterectomies? I know the it’s not widely reported in the press yet but it was posted on Twitter. Ana Cabrera was one of the few that posted those allegations. Apparently there is a whistleblower complaint. How the religious can reconcile this with their support is amazing.

    • SamC says:

      My parents voted for Trump and as others have noted, it is all about the money. I was shocked when I found out because they live in a NY suburb and are well aware of his ineptitude in business, amongst other things, but both my parents are first generation Americans, came from low income blue collar backgrounds and saw their parents struggle financially in retirement. One grandmother worked 20 hours a week at a grocery store until she was 89 because she was part of a union and had a great Medicare supplement health insurance. Anyway, my parents worked hard, were frugal, and as a result are having a very comfortable retirement. I don’t know why they think voting for Trump secured that nor why voting for a Dem would suddenly put them in the poorhouse, but that is their rationale.

      • Chanteloup says:

        Damn, that is sad, @SamC

      • FYI says:

        He puts our national security at risk ON THE REGULAR, so no one’s nest egg will be protected if he’s in office for a second term. Even taken purely from a mercenary, selfish standpoint, it is not a smart vote. There is real risk to their finances if he is re-elected, because he is dedicated to chaos.

      • Chanteloup says:

        @FYI Exactly. He will kill us all. And anyone who thinks they’re in a protected class because they’re rich, or white, or something – just wait. He’ll turn on you, too.
        He’s only in in for himself.
        We have no POTUS. Just the president of 45′s greedy grubbing grifting theiving desperate losing bank account.

      • lucy2 says:

        Somehow, the GOP convinced people that they were better financially than the Dems, which, especially in current years, is just wrong. That $2 trillion tax cut was UNPAID FOR. They essentially gave away a ton of revenue to the 1%, and then boom, massive crisis with Covid. Their economic policies have failed over and over, but somehow people still believe they’re “fiscally conservative” and that’s a good thing.

      • holly hobby says:

        Wait until he comes after their Social Security in the form of payroll tax cut.

      • M4lificent says:

        I think for a lot of older folks — their party voting is about habit and comfort zone — even if the party changed around them. Our family, with a big assist from Trump himself, flipped my 87-year-old mom for the upcoming election. She’ll vote for a Democratic president for the first time in 60+ years. My mom lives in a blue state, so practically her vote won’t make a difference, but it’s the principal of the matter.

        My parents were also blue-collar children of immigrants. They turned Republican after they worked their way into the middle class and moved to the suburbs. For my mom, it’s always been an emotional thing — Democrats bad, Republicans good — even when though the Republican Party platform hasn’t aligned with my mom’s beliefs for decades. My mom is vehemently pro-choice and is also pro-union (for years, the only reason my asthmatic mom had health insurance was because of her union job at a local grocery store). And she supports most basic forms of social support. But she would consistently vote against her own beliefs and interests by supporting Republican candidates.

        Ma didn’t like Trump in 2016, but voted for him against the evil Democrat Hilary. But she’s so disgusted that she’s given up trying to make excuses for Trump and the Republican Party.

      • H says:

        My parents are divorced. My father is a die-hard Trump supporter. Unfortunately, it is 90% money and 10% racism. I do not talk politics with him. Ever. In the past when I did I got called a liberal Democratic b*tch for my opinion. (BTW, I’m a moderate Independent). I know my stepmother and him will be voting for Trump. It saddens me to say but I hope that generation dies out quickly and takes their racism with them.

        However, my mother who has been a registered Republican since Kennedy is voting for Biden! She HATES Trump and now the Republican party. She changed her party affiliation to Independent. So, some old people can have empathy. My stepfather has always been a liberal Democrat. I am so hoping Florida goes blue. If 45 wins, I have plans to move overseas. I’m already interviewing for jobs, just in case. I’ll stay overseas until the fascist is gone.

    • Chelle says:

      I have a close friend who is all in for Trump because she “will never vote for someone who supports abortion”. It’s those single issue voters that scare me most because they refuse to see any other factor.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        How does she feel about the forced hysterectomies at ICE detention centers? Or sexual abuse of minors there? Ok with that, is she?

      • FYI says:

        Ask her if she thinks Trump has ever paid for a woman to have an abortion. The only question is how many times.

      • Chanteloup says:

        Or his callous disregard for all the covid deaths, and in fact the lives of everyone who isn’t actively handing him money at that moment

      • LaraK says:

        This makes me FURIOUS. I’m pro choice but I would like there to be fewer abortions. Why? Because I think a LOT of abortions happen because the women don’t have options. Want fewer abortions? Give women healthcare. Give them parental leave. Paid leave. Provide affordable housing. Good education. Protection from spousal abuse and workplace harassment.
        Then I bet you real money abortion numbers will drop through the floor, and most abortions will be for “good” reasons – I.e. rape, health reasons, or because the woman TRULY doesn’t want a baby. Not because she can’t afford to have one.

        But the most anti abortion people are also most anti healthcare, paid leave, social services, etc. Give birth to the baby, then f*ck you both!

      • Veronica S. says:

        My friend’s mother is one of those single issue voters for the same reason (abortion). She had already cut her father off for being abusive, so she’d tolerated her mother for a long time, but she finally confronted her about her politics this year considering said daughter is bisexual and could easily be affected by this in the long run if we descend into true fascism. When her mother refused to even acknowledge the issue, she cut her mother off. It hurt, but it was necessary, IMO. You can’t keep tolerating these people. You have to give them consequences and erase them from the narrative as much as possible or they will destroy everything.

      • Shirley Gail says:

        @LaraK….men are 100% responsible for ALL unwanted pregnancies. Above and beyond “giving” (we earn and pay taxes too) healthcare, parental leave, affordable housing, education, protection how about men simply stop raping and ejaculating inside women? Huh? How about putting the “blame” 100% where it belongs….on MEN!! The war on women is real.

      • LaraK says:

        @Shirley Gail I’m not blaming women and I think there are lots of reasons to want an abortion – rape, health risks, or not wanting a child.
        But men responsible for 100% of unwanted pregnancies??? No! Those resulting from rape, absolutely, 100% on the rapist. But there a lots of reasons for an unwanted pregnancy. Women have agency. We can have sex, totally consentual sex, and have birth control fail. That is not a man’s fault. We can have a wanted pregnancy become unwanted fetus is not viable, or because we have health complications. Not a man’s fault. It’s not our fault either. these things happen. We can have a pregnancy become unwanted for financial reasons. Not rape. This is the reason I want addressed through social programs.
        You can stop ALL rapes, and still have many, many unwanted pregnancies. Don’t conflate the two.

      • Nic919 says:

        Without a man involved there is no chance of an unwanted pregnancy so that’s where the 100% comes from. You can’t get pregnant on your own. (Ok maybe through IVF but that is always on consent).

      • Aimee says:

        I just passed a group this afternoon that was outside a clinic and every time I see them I want to either:

        a. Throw rotten vegetables at them or
        b. Run them over

        They want to protect fetuses but where are these people when women are unable to support and care for them? Twisting in the wind!

      • Tiffany :) says:

        The sharpest drops in the abortion rates have come under Democratic administrations. If people want fewer abortions, then we need to give women access to healthcare so they have more control over their reproductive choices.

        As Amy Sullivan pointed out on Twitter, “Abortion rate under Obama fell from 16 abortions for every 1000 women to 12.5 in 2013. Under Bush it went unchanged 16/1000 from 2001-2008.”

        https://qz.com/857273/the-sharpest-drops-in-abortion-rates-in-america-have-been-under-democratic-presidents/

    • Christine says:

      More importantly, how is anyone still undecided?

      • Nonartistic Diane says:

        Christine, This!! I don’t get how anyone is still undecided either. You are either an unrepentant Dump supporter OR you have been paying attention to what’s been happening the past 4 years he’s been wreaking havoc in office. How are they still undecided?!?

      • Ummm says:

        Diane, OR you’re someone who’s legitimately disgusted with both demented old white men and chooses to heed the words of the wise George Carlin instead.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        They’ve decided. They just don’t want to admit it.

      • Nic919 says:

        That’s it. They still want to vote for that monster but pretend they aren’t sure. There is no choice. It is between rational person and insane sociopath who will kill everyone who doesn’t benefit him.

    • Agirlandherdog says:

      I would actually love to see a sociological study of his supporters. I think there are many different reasons. And if you read the twitter comments from his supporters on twitter, it is completely disheartening.

      For the upper class, upper-middle and middle class, educated voters who support him, it is absolutely because of money, as others have stated. These aren’t the people putting Trump signs in their yards and wearing their MAGA hats. They just quietly vote for him. These people are the worst in my book because they actually DO understand the havoc he has wrought, and they just don’t care about the effects his presidency has had on the country, the planet, or even their fellow human beings.

      His rabid fan base is comprised of lower-middle and lower class, uneducated voters, who only get their news from Fox News and QAnon articles their friends pass around on facebook. They never fact check for themselves, and even if you were to sit and watch Trump’s town hall with them live and fact check him in real time with videos of where he contradicted himself, they’d just get pissed at you and call you a libtard. They hear what they want to hear, not what he says. I live in one of these areas. It’s indoctrination. God & guns country. You grow up hearing it. Children are indoctrinated into a way of thinking. If they’re lucky they go away to college and experience different cultures and form opinions of their own. But most people don’t make it out. And the cycle continues.

      • AmyB says:

        @Agirlandherdog – I think you are spot on in terms of the breakdown of his supporters. His rabid fan base are so uneducated, and literally only care about guns & God country, as if Trump even knows about God LOL. And I agree as well, the more wealthy class is voting for him to protect their assets and money, yet know full well what he is and look the other way, I guess. All in all, a bleak picture, and so depressing!!

      • Nic919 says:

        If you are not an actual idiot then the money argument doesn’t work anymore. He’s busted the economy and by doing so poorly with Covid he’s made it worse. Only the very rich vulture capitalists will benefit, which is 0.01% of the country. Many upper middle class will suffer here so if they can’t see the facts of how they will be affected then they are stupid.

    • Izzy says:

      I was talking to my doctor the other day. His parents are Cuban, deeply religious, conservatives, all in for Trump. He said they won’t vote for Biden because the commercials about him say he’s a socialist and they are terrified of that. I laughed and told him to tell them that Sanders is the socialist and if the Dems wanted one, he would be the nominee instead of Biden. But this is the BS that’s being fed to gullible voters.

      • Andrea says:

        This is true about wealthy Americans—my white father, suburban New Yorker formally in real estate is in his late 70′s, multi-millionaire, is concerned about me receiving an estate tax upon his death which is one of the reasons he voted for Trump to preserve my wealth for when he is gone. He dislikes all of the other stuff but treats it like he is a silly old man who doesn’t mean half the stuff he says or if he thinks it, he just shouldn’t say it. My father has made a lot of money under Trump. I doubt he will change his mind although he is very pro mask wearing and finds it horrific that Trump won’t do a national mandate. He might vote for Biden, but he also may vote again for Trump. I am a democrat all the way, but my father implies once I become wealthy, I will want to vote how to leverage to preserve that money as much as possible. I think you reach a certain age and its all about having a super nice retirement home and passing on wealth to your children are your top priorities. Making the world a better place isn’t in their radar for they figure they may not be around in 10 years.

    • Regina Falangie says:

      Greed, selfishness, FEAR and utter lack of empathy are the characteristics of a Trump voter. Mostly I would say it’s fear. Fear of the boogie man (anyone or anything different than what they are used to), fear of change but mostly fear of losing (money, power, status).

      • Myra says:

        I saw the headline and wondered who after seeing all this shitshow go down for four years remains undecided? I agree with your assessment, Regina.

    • Ashley says:

      I have a friend who’s voting Trump. She made a remark recently that I thought was very revealing: “They’re saying the virus numbers are going down but then there will be a surge. Why are they saying that? They don’t know what’s going to happen. I don’t want to hear it. They should have just said it was going down and then stopped.”

      She’s deep in denial; she’s made up her mind and doesn’t want to think about it any more. And she views any discussion that’s contrary to her view of the universe to be a personal attack. Needless to say, politics rarely comes up in our conversations.

    • salmonpuff says:

      Yep. Just today I saw a FB post from a very Christian woman I used to know (kids went to elementary together) saying that as a small business owner, she couldn’t afford the tax hike she faced under Biden. She said it regretfully, like she’d consider voting for Biden otherwise. I’m a small business owner, too, and even though taxes can be burdensome, I’d gladly pay more for stability, competence and, you know, humanity.

  3. Becks1 says:

    We turned it on for a few minutes and at least George Stephanopoulos was correcting him. I don’t even remember what he was being asked, I must have blocked it out lol, but it was so cringe-worthy. It did remind me of how bad he is at debates, so bring it on, Biden.

    • Miranda says:

      I’m so looking forward to the debates, Biden will destroy him. I mean, his best defense is just “I know you are, but what am I?” (remember “no. you’re the puppet!”?) It might not change anyone’s mind, but it should at least be satisfying for the sane people of this country.

    • Esmom says:

      He’s terrible at debates, remember when Hillary wiped the floor with him every time? Yet every time the right declared him the winner.

      Pundits are talking about how the debates are the last significant hurdle before the election but I don’t see how they will make a difference. I was going to say unless maybe Trump says the “n” word on national TV but even that wouldn’t matter to his supporters. They’d either defend him or pretend to disapprove but vote for him anyway.

      • Agirlandherdog says:

        Agreed. If you read the right wing twitter comments about last night’s town hall, his magats are lauding him for masterfully fending off an attack from a den of vipers.

    • Louisa says:

      I won’t be watching the debates. They will be a joke and he will be declared the winner by Fox and his supporters no matter what garbage he spews or how high he is. There will be no policy talk and everyone will be watching for “entertainment” not to learn anything. Waste of time.

  4. Edna says:

    How can anyone possibly be undecided? I just don’t buy that. On the one hand there’s a hateful, vengeful white supremacist wanna be dictator and the other guy is a normal older decent, boring white man.

    • lucy2 says:

      I don’t buy that either. I feel like you’re either for him or against him.
      If those are the questions those people are asking, doesn’t sound like they are undecided either.

      This is the kind of event he should have been doing through his reign of terror. I’m glad it finally happened, I hope it made him mad and uncomfortable.

      • Shirley Gail says:

        of course it didn’t. He’s Teflon and thinks because you’re not going home to poop in a gold toilet you don’t matter and are worthless to him……..he doesn’t care so why would anything make him uncomfortable…..

    • Esmom says:

      I don’t get it either but somehow some people still think they have two legit choices. I was phone banking for Joe last night and got two undecided voters in FL. They were polite and earnest-seeming, saying how they still needed time to compare both candidates policies. I was polite, too, of course, but internally I was screaming “really???”

      • lucy2 says:

        My guess? Either they just woke up from a coma, or they’re Trump voters and ashamed to say it to you.

      • Scal says:

        I have a cousin in Florida who says she’s still debating because she’s terrified of Biden’s tax plan. Even when I point out to her that it doesn’t affect her since her household is under 400k a year, and she can’t describe trumps tax plan other than ‘I get more money’

        Legit none of the other issues matter to her because they are all the same and dems do the same thing blah blah blah. I just SMH

      • jenellesTiktok says:

        I try to get them to talk about whatever issue is most important to them and sell them quick on that one but you’re right, it’s crazy that anyone is still “undecided”

    • Keroppi says:

      That’s what I was going to say. HOW can anyone be undecided at this point? Who are these fence-sitters and what rock have they been living under? Even the International Space Station seems to have wifi so being in outer space isn’t even an excuse!

  5. Miranda says:

    Oh my God, I would so pretend to be undecided just to get a chance to go the fuck offfff at this asshole. Which I think is probably what a lot of these people did.

    God, what a moron. I mean, he’s so stupid that I find it physically painful to listen to him. And how the hell is Joe Biden to blame for the lack of a national mask mandate? I really want to hear the reasoning on that one. If I were the moderator, I would’ve shut everything down and not moved on to the next subject until he explained himself. I’m sure he’d just throw a tantrum and storm off, which, GOOD. Expose him for the senile coward he really is.

    • Chelle says:

      This +1000!! I would play all prim and thoughtful to get in there and just Unleash all the anger I’ve felt the past four years. Every lie he told would be met with my heckling “You’re a liar!!”.

      • Miranda says:

        That would be so cathartic, right? It’s a pity that he’d never hold one of these things in NYC. My brother once heckled Ann Coulter when she was giving a speech at his college, to the point where she muttered “get him out of here!” to security and he got thrown out. My family has a long history of liberal activism, so we all look at that incident as a huge honor. I’ve always kinda envied my brother for that, but I think heckling Trump would, well, trump it.

    • Swack says:

      From what I read about Biden being responsible for a lack of a mask mandate is because they are taking from his platform that Biden would have a mask mandate if he were/becomes president. Once again Trump and supporters taking things out of context.

  6. fluffy_bunny says:

    How is Biden to blame for a lack of a mask mandate? His commercials say he’ll put one in place on day 1. And he admitted to down playing the virus on tape that we’ve all heard. He’s such a liar.

    • Darla says:

      It seems their new strategy is to convince Americans that Joe Biden has been President for the past 4 years, and if we want change from the current disaster, we need to vote for Trump. who will fix the mess Sleepy Joe left.

      Yeah. Hey, some people might be surprised but not moi and I’ll tell you why. It’s because I remember when the Bush strategy was to convince Americans 9/11 happened on Clinton’s watch, and there had been zero terrorist attacks under Bush, and if we wanted to stay safe, we needed to vote for him. There’s nothing new. This is who Republicans are. Yes, even the never trumpers.

      • Esmom says:

        Another strategy is to continually, relentlessly blame Dem governors and mayors. Funny how when Obama was POTUS everything was his fault, though.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I do not get how Trump can blame Biden for lack of a mask mandate. What exactly did Trump say regarding Biden and a mask mandate? What did the moderator say in response?

      • AmyB says:

        @BayTamapBay – it was ridiculous! How can Biden (who is not our President, last time I checked!!) issue a Federal mask mandate?!? Then Trump went on to ramble about how some people don’t like masks. So George Stephanoplous asked who he meant. Trump replied “Waiters.” Like they don’t like wearing them and are always touching their faces while working. I almost fell off my chair laughing my ass off. Yup, those damn fucking waiters!

        LMAO!!

      • Christin says:

        One waiter, no less. He described observing one waiter fiddling with his mask and then touching a plate.

        Wonder where that waiter worked? Hmmm…Maybe one of his properties, with costs paid by taxpayers no less?

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        Who the fuck are the waiters that depend on diners for their income thinking masks are bad? I dined out last week and everyone was masked and we felt like the waiter was too up in our business and close to us so we’ve decided dining out is still a no go for us. If I walked into a restaurant and saw staff unmasked I’d just leave and forget about what food I’ve already ordered and write it off as a loss and stop patronizing that restaurant.

      • AmyB says:

        @fluffy_bunny – No waiters are going to work without masks or think they are bad. No Trump was just being an idiot as usual.

  7. Ms. says:

    Who is even undecided at this point? I don’t get it. Anybody who is not anti Trump at this point is solidly “f liberals.”

    • Chanteloup says:

      @ Ms. ITA. I mean even if I had been in a coma for the past 4 years, woke up, took one look and listened to either of those old white dudes for five minutes, it would be completely evident to me who was the utterly insane, greedy, treasonous, lying sack of hateful shit out to destroy our country -

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        If you’d been in a coma for 4 years and someone told you Trump was president after you stopped laughing and found out they were serious you’d likely be horrified without knowing anything that’s gone on. Just the fact that he managed to get elected alone is horrific.

    • Sass says:

      @ms. – more like “f humanity”

  8. Darla says:

    “This is a president who still hasn’t adjusted to the fact that 2020 is not the year he wanted it to be,”

    Yeah me too, you ain’t special. You are to blame tho.

    For some reason in 2016 (misogyny racism cough) too many Americans were enthralled with this malevolent buffoon, who does know how to put on a show. Now, I feel that’s over. The more he talks, the better it is for me. Keep talking.

  9. KellyRyan says:

    He was so stoned he didn’t know he was stoned. :) I understand ratings were low. I didn’t watch knowing a blurb or two would be enough. “Herd mentality,” apt description of his followers. We’re on a scheduled power outage in California due to equipment upgrade. I’m planning to read Cohen’s book, Disloyal.

  10. Chanteloup says:

    The whole shit show should have been on the Comedy Channel.
    Except. People. Are. Dying. Oh, and being tortured, starving, discriminated against, and the horror list goes on endlessly.
    #VoteBlueToEndThisHell

  11. Sayrah says:

    I know this is not related to celebrity but I saw an article last night that had a whistleblower claiming a very high rate of hysterectomies of immigrant women being detained. Anyone hear this yet?

    • Sara says:

      Yes, that was all over my news feed yesterday. And it’s driving me bonkers that my fellow Americans on social media immediately go to “this is what Nazis did” and they don’t know that forced sterilizations happened to many Black women in America during the Jim Crow era. They’re not wrong that Nazis practices eugenics but hi guys this already happened in America.

      • Also Ali says:

        I saw that and I’m horrified. The US needs a global intervention.

      • Keroppi says:

        I agree Also Ali, America really needs global intervention (not Putin!) to ensure that the election is fair and that this administration (everybody!!!) is held accountable!

      • Sayrah says:

        And Native American women as well

      • ATLMathMom says:

        You are absolutely correct. I read about it yesterday with incredulity – where on earth are they finding doctors who are willing to do this?? They should have their medical licenses pulled.

    • FYI says:

      Pelosi is already calling for an investigation.

    • fluffy_bunny says:

      Heard about it this morning on NPR. They call the doctor the uterus collector.

    • Louisa says:

      Maddow talked about it on her show last night. I’m almost numb at the cruelty and the horror at this point. I feel so hopeless. I want to do something but other than vote this evil administration OUT I don’t know what.

    • whatWHAT? says:

      yup, war crimes. like LITERALLY a war crime under the Hague. eugenics, genocide, whatever you want to call it…forced sterilization is a war crime.

      PS I’d like to know where all those 45-supporting “pro-lifers” are with this. selective outrage, as usual.

    • Veronica S. says:

      Heard it. And I’m grimly not surprised. They’re concentration camps in everything but name. All it tells me that if Trump gets in, they will happily expand those over time to include American citizens, as well. Anybody who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

    • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

      Paging Stephen Miller…your cruelty is waiting for you in cell block A.

      • Miranda says:

        What makes this even more disgusting is that Miller is Jewish. His ancestors came to the US to escape pogroms in Belarus, yet he promotes white supremacist pundits who would LOVE to do the same thing to American Jews. And now he’s supporting some Mengele shit. What a vile, pathetic excuse for a human being.

    • Chrissy says:

      Nichole Wallace had a segment on her show yesterday. Apparently the so-called doctor had previously been investigated for doing unnecessary surgeries while in the private sector. Investigation continues….

  12. KBeth says:

    He’s such a repulsive, lying lard ass.

  13. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    He up-played the virus. So from the beginning he warned of a very dangerous impending situation, and rallied all troops to begin a comprehensive and progressive plan of action from federal to county admins. He coordinated with global and local health entities to discuss what, why, who and how America was going to move forward. I think even his people were telling him to lighten up, yeah…that’s what happened. And requiring everyone to wear masks was just about ready to be rolled out en masse until Biden interrupted with some story about how the rest of the population was dying by the thousands because masks were actually the carriers. Shame on you people for believing the worst about this fine upstanding best example of a president EVER. Everything wonderful in your lives this very second is because of that incredible man. Everything awful? Biden and is merry band of Antifas.

  14. VS says:

    Donald is an idiot! does he even know when he lies anymore? it looks like he does believe his own BS

  15. Juxtapoze says:

    Shame on anyone questioning Biden’s mental fitness when we’ve got the Orange Moron in the Oval Office.

  16. Ivy says:

    I live in Philly. This is not the place for him. It’s very rare you come across anyone who is backing him here.
    He should just lay low and hope for another fluke win like before.
    I hope Biden will not debate him. That would be a debacle.
    Biden should just go from city to city making sure people vote for him.

    • lucy2 says:

      I was surprised to see it was in Philly too. I don’t know what they were expecting!

    • Regina Falangie says:

      It was not a fluke win. It was stolen/manipulated electoral crime against humanity.

      • Nic919 says:

        I agree with this. I think that Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania had areas that were tampered with which is why the votes were so close.

        I still recall hearing about voting machines being broken in a Detroit precinct the morning of Election Day and I am sure that affected the 10k vote difference.

    • Joanna says:

      Oh, I need to move to philly!

  17. holly hobby says:

    Not an ambush if the useful idiot keeps yakking. Also “develop herd” isn’t even real phrase. I didn’t watch this crap because I hate his voice and he isn’t saying anything useful. I did read the recaps on Twitter and it was laughable.

    I want to break that misshapen thumb in the first picture.

  18. teafortwo says:

    Herd mentality is what cows exhibit.
    You know, one cow wonders off and ends up falling off a cliff, and the rest follow him right over.

  19. Traveler says:

    As many others have already said, greed is definitely a big factor why many folks in the stock market will vote for Drumpf. It had remarkable gains in 2019 (I also benefited significantly from the gains). But these folks better be very well off because if they need or will need to rely at all on social security/medicare to augment their retirement savings they will be shit out of luck. Drumpf and McConnell will be attacking that safety net next if given the chance (smacks of socialism, you know……….and we all know that’s worse than death).

    I fear for the average american struggling to save enough to live out their years having middling to no financial savvy and pensions a thing of the past. Having a basic “annuity” in the form of social security is at least small insurance of some income stream. I have relatives (Drumpf supporters no less) who are relying solely on social security and basic medicare in their retirement; essentially no other savings. Again, the cognitive dissonance is profound.

  20. Coco says:

    To US citizens:
    If you can vote early in person, please do it.

    I have social anxiety so I’ve only ever voted once on Election Day, every other time has been early. And there has never been a wait time or crowd when I’ve done it, despite being in a large city, so I feel that the Covid risk will no higher than the grocery store.

    If you can’t vote early, check your state’s requirements for getting a mail-in ballot as soon as you can.

  21. Just A Thought says:

    He just keep repeating his talking points. You could tell he fell uncomfortable talking about race, and health care .

  22. SilentStar says:

    People who cite tax benefits as the main reason they are voting for someone doesn’t understand politics so they use an excuse that they think sounds valid. Most of the time they don’t even understand how tax policy affects them. You ask them to be more specific and they usually can’t even explain. They also fall for the misconception that conservatives are better financial managers.

    As mentioned upthread, it also tends to be people who can’t think beyond their own needs.

    I have worked as a canvasser and have seen this so many times.

    • Kate says:

      I don’t buy the tax policy argument. It is a cover for “I like his policies but I don’t have the courage to own my jack-assery.”

      Further, folks seem to forget that investment is a long term game. Sure, tax cuts are great, but long term stability and planning for the down cycle is the real winner.

      Lastly, folks forget that the individual tax cuts will expire – the corporate ones will not. So yay?

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