Prince William was the driving force behind Harry’s delinquency in their teens


In today’s Daily Mail excerpt of Robert Lacey’s Battle of Brothers: William and Harry – The Inside Story of a Family in Tumult, Lacey examines the pre-Meghan dramas between Prince Harry and Prince William. Which I actually find helpful, even if much of the information was already widely known. The insistence of so many royal reporters that the brothers’ falling out began with Meghan’s arrival is… simplistic, if not downright false. Harry and William had been growing apart for years, and William had been using and controlling his brother for years. This excerpt starts with Diana telling friends about William’s “notorious rages” as a pre-teen and teen, rages which “from time to time, scar his teenage years and young adult life.” And well beyond, clearly.

William’s reaction to his mom’s Martin Bashir interview: He had broken out in one of the notorious rages that would, from time to time, scar his teenage years and young adult life. ‘All hell broke loose. He was furious . . . that she had spoken badly of his father, that she had mentioned Hewitt . . . He started shouting and crying and, when she tried to put her arms around him, he shoved her away.’ The next day, William apologised to his mother for his bad temper, and presented her with a bunch of flowers. But Diana felt some irretrievable damage had been done.

William’s party crowd of Eton chums: By 1998, William had established a close and trusted circle of Eton friends, and his brother was invited to join them. But quite a few of his expanding social circle were a full two years older than him — making it likely that the 14-year-old would be introduced to temptations ahead of his years. And Harry’s bright self-confidence was misleading — he was not as grown-up as he appeared.

Club H: For security reasons, Prince Charles had a bomb-proof shelter constructed in the cellar of Highgrove, and he allowed his sons to adapt it into a disco-rumpus room — ‘Club H’, a black-painted dungeon discothèque scattered with scruffy sofas, where Harry and William could entertain their school friends during their holidays. It featured a well-stocked bar — here was the first temptation for the young Harry — along with a state-of-the-art sound system that made every floor of the 200-year-old building quiver. Club H turned Highgrove into quite the hot spot when Dad happened to be away — which was an ever more frequent occurrence.

Harry was in a wild crowd at the age of 14: These were the years when Prince Harry — still an impressionable teenager — started to drink alcohol in serious quantities. He loved to swill it down like his brother, reported friends. And some of the Rattlebone circle also began sampling exotic substances. This can hardly have been a shock to Harry, who’d already earned the nickname ‘Hash Harry’ at Eton, on account of the smoky aroma that often emanated from his room.

Hash Harry: By August 2000, William, now 18, had left Eton and headed off to Belize for his pre-university gap-year adventure. Lonely and left to his own devices, Harry began getting stoned to excess, continuing his pot-smoking throughout William’s absence in 2001, until someone — a member of the Highgrove staff, it is thought — told Prince Charles what was going on. The timing of what happened next is confused. But it’s known that sometime in June or July 2001 — several weeks before Charles was made aware of his son’s problem in August or September — the Prince of Wales’s former equerry Mark Dyer had escorted Harry on a low-key educational visit to a rehabilitation centre in Peckham, South-East London. There, the young prince spent a few hours talking to former heroin and cocaine addicts, who also briefed their visitor on ‘the consequences of taking drugs’. But when the News of the World broke the story in January 2002 — ‘Harry’s Drugs Shame’ — it was implied that Prince Charles had organised this rehab visit after the incident, specifically as some sort of therapy for Harry’s drug-taking in order to provide his son with a ‘short, sharp shock’.

William wanted credit for “saving” Harry: Some newspapers suggested it was William who should get the credit for intervening at his father’s request to ‘save’ Prince Harry. Harry had certainly lost his way in 2000 and 2001 when William disappeared from his life to pursue his gap year. But it was William who had opened the first bottles behind the well-stocked bar in the cellar of Highgrove and had led the group forays to The Rattlebone Inn after hours. It was William who was the blue-eyed glamour boy at the centre of the so-called ‘Glossy Posse’ that surrounded the young princes, pouring out the drinks and inspiring all the revels that would coax his younger brother — a full two years and three months younger and still a child — into errant and self-destructive ways. In short, it was William who’d been the Lord of Misrule and the driving spirit behind the entire seductive fantasy of Club H.

Harry learned that William would always use him for good press: Nothing seriously discreditable was ever written about the future William V — the ‘King of the Castle’. It was Harry who was cast as the ‘dirty rascal’. In this culturally distorted scenario, it was evidently the predetermined function — the very destiny — of the younger brother to carry the can for his ‘exemplary’ elder sibling. But while Harry might have been forced by the media and public expectations into such a delinquent, ‘court jester’ stereotype at the age of 17, he was not going to accept it for ever.

[From The Daily Mail]

Yep! All of this. William was always just as wild as Harry was throughout those years. The rest of the excerpt is the exhaustive deconstruction of the story about Harry’s Nazi costume in January 2005, which he wore to a “Colonials and Natives” party. William selected the costume with Harry and William managed to come out of that unscathed. It was then, Lacey says, that Harry “began re-evaluating his elder brother’s involvement and the unfairness of William’s subsequent emergence smelling of roses. It made Harry feel resentful and even alienated.” Harry began to understand that his father and brother were consistently using him as “the monarchy’s institutional scapegoat.”

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  1. Watson says:

    Imagine having a drug and alcohol issue with minimal emotional support around, you, only to have your rehab used as positive press for your father and brother.

    Hold onto your hats Charlotte and Louis. You’re looking into a glimpse of your future.

    • Seraphina says:

      Exactly this.

    • Abby says:

      I think it will help that their are two “spares” vs. just one. Someone to share the burden of not being the heir/favored child. And less of a betrayal if they both endure scapegoating to ‘embiggen’ George.

      • Oh says:

        Charlotte and Louis will be fine … Harry’s problem is that his mother has passed away and he does not have someone to love and support him, and because of the death of Diana the press and the general public have bought that Harry and William are close to each other.. Charlotte and Louis will not live as bad as Harry did. I have a feeling that they will follow the half-and-half path and everyone will clap for William and they will say he is a wonderful father and that he knew how to balance the private& the royal life of his children.

      • Becks1 says:

        Nah. the “heir and the spare” dynamic in the BRF is very negative and its not limited to Harry and William – we see it with Charles and Andrew, with the Queen and her sister Margaret – its an issue that is passed down for generations and considering William is the one who benefits, I’m not sure why he would be compelled to change the dynamic now for George and his siblings. I imagine he is probably disappointed bc Archie was supposed to be the “institutional scapegoat” for the Cambridges. It’s sad to see it already presenting itself (sharktooth for George, nothing for the other kids) but the Cambridge kids are in for a bumpy ride.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The heir vs. spare is already playing out, although they cannot decide if Charlotte or #3 or both will be the ones thrown under the bus. No child raised by W&K&Carole is likely to be undamaged. We already see how W&K are trying to force external ideas on their kids. We were told from the start George was a bruiser, with Charlotte described as ‘a little lady’ when she was weeks old. They have set out the media stereotypes for their children and are forcing them on the kids and the media.

      • Tessa says:

        Who’s to say Charlotte and Louis will be “fine.” Every family has issues. I see some signs of trouble. With William paying more attention to the male children.

      • Tealie says:

        @ notasugarhere considering they barely acknowledge Number 3’s existence I feel like it will be him. Charlotte has the benefit of people fawning over her because she’ll be the only girl, but there is no curiosity over Louis. As bad as it sounds they don’t really another boy apart from good cop bad cop comparisons, and Louis gets the least interest out of the lot and already seems very ostrisized.

    • Mac says:

      I don’t think William and Kate are going to stock the bar for their teenage kids. This was happening under Charles’ roof. Where was he?

      • Watson says:

        Charles took a parenting page out of his own parents’ playbook: absent and unaccounted for.

        Also the bar was stocked cause they were a bunch of rich teens with all the access in the world. I have a feeling Wills would see it as “boys being boys” and a rite of passage. Being an entitled douche is sort of his specialty…

      • Becks1 says:

        Yeah the fully stocked bar was probably par for the course in their world. I don’t think these kinds of guys are the ones who are sneaking drinks from their dad’s scotch bottle when he’s working late. They just take the bottles they want.

      • tolly says:

        Charles went a bit wild himself after the divorce, which was supposedly one of the reasons why the queen finally signed off on Camilla (there was a successful lawsuit over a tell-all in the late 90s). The people buying booze for a 14-year-old were likely the same staffers who are now calling Harry irresponsible.

      • notasugarhere says:

        You do recall the decade of W&K doing nothing but falling drunk out of clubs most nights a week, right?

      • Amy Too says:

        I really don’t understand how you can build an entire club complete with bar for your teenage children, from which music that is loud enough to shake the entire house in which you live and sleep comes, and then be like “they’re partying!? Drinking? Drugging? I had NO IDEA!” The fact that some secretaries and staffers knew before Charles and had to tell him, and apparently waiting months to do so (probably hoping he’d find out on himself so none of the staff would have to be a “tattle tale” or try to find a delicate way to broach the subject of the future king’s parenting abilities when said future king was the one who employed and paid them) is so bizarre to me. A staffer took Harry to rehab, where from how this is written, it sounds like he didn’t stay and receive treatment but just toured and heard the patients’ stories in an attempt to “scare him straight” like on the Maury show where they’d send out of control kids to fake prison for an hour and let the inmates scream at them.

        He needed his mother. They both did. They needed a parent who was more hands-on. Who talked to them, who paid attention, who was available and home. But I guess they were divorced anyways and this was happening when they were with Charles, so even if she were alive what could she have done?. But maybe if she were alive she could have insisted on more accountability from Charles and his staff. Maybe a nanny, or tutor, or someone whose job it was to look after their well-being and not just their physical safety from terrorist threats.

        They both should have had therapy once she died. Therapy would have helped so much and likely might have helped the feelings of loneliness and abandonment that Harry felt before they led to reckless behavior. I find it so sad that Harry went from having Diana for a mother, to having Will for his stand-in mother. Will obviously didn’t care about it or want what was best for him, he was always luring them into stupid and dangerous situations and then letting Harry take the fall for Will’s choices, but he’s all Harry had. To the point where he felt lost and abandoned and lonely when William went away. The fact that Harry was pining away for the awful William because William was the closest thing he had left to a caring mother-like family member is tragic. It’s like when you read about children who grow up in physically abusive and dangerous homes, but who cry for their drunk abusive mother when they’re finally taken away.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “(there was a successful lawsuit over a tell-all in the late 90s)”

        @tolly – Are you referring to the “Housekeeper’s Diary” which was published “as submitted” in the USA? I read it and it was good book. Very even-handed.

        “I really don’t understand how you can build an entire club complete with bar for your teenage children”

        @Amy Too – I may be mistaken but I believe the legal drinking age in the UK is 16 for pubs and bars.

      • Nic919 says:

        The UK has a far more open drinking culture than in North America so teens having access to alcohol isn’t viewed quite the same. The Queen Mum was a serious drinker until she died. The Queen has a gin every day. It was not the drinking that was the issue but being sloppy about it.

      • tolly says:

        @BTB: I was referring to the mess with the Guardian, but I was wrong about the timing–it was 2003. (Trying to google that story today was a mistake. It was so much stranger than I remembered.)

      • Still_Sarah says:

        @ Mac : It was irresponsible of Charles but I can’t help that think people are putting a hell of a lot on William who was just a teenager too at the time. No teenager should be held responsible for not properly “raising” his two years younger brother.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles spent less than a year after Diana died being the “attentive” father to William and Harry. Harry looked rather lost when Charles took him on a trip to Africa. Then ca. July 1998, Operation Camilla continue with Charles introducing her to his sons. Then supposedly the boys planned a party for Charles birthday and invited Camilla. They both were observed smoking and drinking at the birthday party. William was away at school much of the time so he really could not “raise” h is brother. Harry spent time with Tiggy and her then boyfriend Mark Dyer. Dyer was not exactly the best influence over Harry. I think Charles should have postponed the happy families with Camilla spin. He encouraged WIlliam to socialize with Tom Parker Bowles who was found to be doing drugs. I think Charles as the surviving parent should have have given them more attention. There seems to have been a change in William the William supposedly being Regent (or his spin said) was very very odd. It’s like HM and Charles are missing in action when it comes to William and Harry.

      • Chelle says:

        William and Harry were basically raised by staff members, just like their parents before them. Add in the fact that their father traveled all of the time and/or was absent for other reasons, and their status (wealth and privilege) placed them so far above the live-in staff— who couldn’t or wouldn’t dare try to reign W/H in—I’m shocked more heinous things didn’t happen.

  2. Becks1 says:

    Damn William was so cute back in the day. The hair! The eyes! What on earth happened lol.

    yeah so this is all stuff that we knew, but it is interesting that it is being laid out so blatantly, especially the part about not accepting as an adult what he accepted at 17 (which I think was one of the driving forces behind Sussexit), and about realizing he was always going to be the “monarchy’s institutional scapegoat.” Charles wasn’t going to stop William from using Harry as a scapegoat because Charles wanted/needed Harry to be his scapegoat as well.

    • Pose83 says:

      All this!

    • Izzy says:

      His personality happened. Now the outside more reflects what’s inside.

    • KA says:

      So superficial (and off topic) but that was my first thought as well. As a teenager, he was super cute. Perhaps it is a reverse Dorian Gray situation? The outside now matches the inside?

    • Indiesr says:

      What happened?? Karma!

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “Damn William was so cute back in the day. The hair! The eyes! What on earth happened lol.”

      I think part of William’s personality problem is that William is no longer even remotely good-looking. Many people who have lost their “looks” as they aged developed personality problems.

      Neither Charles nor Harry ever had the degree of “good-looks” or “hot-sexuality” as William once had. Charles always looked liked a distinguished “action man” much like Andrew Parker-Bowels and Harry was always just a cute “Ginger with a twinkle in his eye”. I think William’s loss of his early good looks has a very negative effect on him.

      • booboocita says:

        So true. I went to my 25th high school reunion recently and got to see a number of the hotties in my class who had become fat, bald, or, if not homely, certainly not as attractive as they once were. Good grief, the vitriol they spewed. Talk about depressed and deranged.

        I’d feel more sorry for Cain if he weren’t such a putz, and so mean to his little brother. I honestly don’t believe he’ll ever be king. Charles hasn’t his mom’s drawing power, and Cain is just unpleasant to be around, apparently, both of which bode ill for the monarchy’s future. If I were KeenKweenKate, I’d leave his nasty a$$ well before Charles becomes king. It’s not as if she has much of a chance of becoming Queen Consort.

      • Steph says:

        I disagree. This article starts with him raging at Diana. Even if it was 5 minutes before she died ( we can probably find an accurate time line) he would have just been growing into his looks. By the time he grew out of them his personality was well established.

      • Tealie says:

        Very true they still tend to have the personality of a good looking person: cocky, full of shit, and generally oblivious. it’s been studied that good-looking people (well those that grew up good-looking particularly) tend to develop much worse social skills, because they just don’t have to and are given much bigger social graces because of the way they look. You can tell William is still in denial thinks he’s hot shit.

    • escondista says:

      I think his extreme decline in appearance one of the many reasons that he is so angry and bitter at Harry, Meghan, and his own wife. Soon he will probably take it out on his teenage children.

      • escondista says:

        @BayTampaBay YES EXACTLY!

      • Desert Lizard says:

        I think he will resent Louis most of all. From what I’ve seen little Louis is beatiful now and will maybe have movie star looks as he ages. If he keeps his looks (maybe those middleton genes are good for something), William will hate him for it.

      • Tessa says:

        I also have a sense that William does not spend much time with his only daughter.

      • Tealie says:

        100,00000% lol, his looks are probably one of his biggest angers after having Harry mocked as the ugly jesting runt ones after all these years. HE not only turns out as the funny and nice one, but the one with the looks aswell!! I truly don’t I think William ever bother developing a personality past ‘future king’ and poster boy.

      • Purple prankster says:

        Well no matter what they once looked like, it’s slim pickings now. harry wins by a tiny grudging margin

    • NiqGee says:

      Karma happened and Sis was ruthless.

    • SomeChick says:

      Hmm, I think he looks pretty petulant in many of those photos… like he’s up to no good.

    • AMA1977 says:

      Ugh, it’s stomach-turning to me to read about Charles using his son as a scapegoat and allowing his other son to do the same. The twisted, manipulative, abusive logic on which this family exists is disgusting. There is no amount of money, power, or prestige that would persuade me to allow one of my children to be exalted while the other was shamed. I’m glad Harry had the courage to leave. I’m glad Archie won’t be subjected to this twisted drama. I am sorry for Charlotte and Louis, who are sweet, innocent children deserving of the love and protection of their parents. And I am disgusted with any adult who would allow their child to be treated in such a manner.

  3. Makeda says:

    The more of this I read, the more incredulous I become. Did the palace actually mean for this to be a response to FF that made William look good????

    • Rae says:

      I was thinking the same thing; like holy sheeet, this is not a good look for Will.

    • equality says:

      I think it is like the Tatler issue. They probably thought people could be interviewed and wouldn’t spill any secrets or anything too bad. They miscalculated how much control they have over the media.

    • Izzy says:

      Is it at all possible they mean this as a message to William to get himself under control? Because so far no one else has been able to stop making him behave like a complete ahole, so maybe putting more of it out there for the world to see is kind of a warning shot?

      Probably not, though, these people are just THAT BAD at PR.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        This was a clear warning shot.
        Especially, the part of will’s temper. They framed it as a little boy hurt his mother spoke ill of his father publicly. That’s relatable. But William rages over anything. That’s a major temperament issue.

      • February-Pisces says:

        @wiglet watcher, I like the fact that it mentions willies temper towards Diana, that way we know he was always an asshole and he can’t just blame it on his mothers death.

      • Harper says:

        Lacey chose to focus on the two brothers as the concept for his book for a reason. Perhaps he was waiting for the Queen to peace out before he started parting the curtain on William’s rages, but Harry’s bolting is an earthquake, and Lacey decided it was time to jump in.

        Note how the publicity for the book includes Lacey’s own statement that for the first time, BP sent his manuscript back unread. I don’t know Lacey’s background enough to sense what message he was sending by saying that, but he has made it part of his publicity for some reason. Distancing himself now from being seen as a mouthpiece for the Queen? Or setting himself up now as a semi-Andrew Morton who is going to be one of the first to go there, on record, about what William is really like? Lacey packed the book full of Meghan and Harry smears, obviously but Will is not going to like this portrayal of himself at all. I wonder what Lacey has to say about Kate and the Middletons?

      • Va Va Kaboom says:

        @Harper That’s strange, I never picked up on the “unread” narrative. Could BP be signaling they don’t deem it worthy enough of their attention though? It also gives them time to see if any parts of the book “stick” without being expected to have ready answers for the media if/when they inevitably do so.

        PS: I’m relying on my long Communications and PR experience that consists of watching the entirety of The West Wing at least 4 times over the years lol.

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        @Harper a lot of those in the know have been waiting for the queen to pass to start to reveal what the know, but she’s not dying anytime soon, see her mother and her husband who is determined to hang in there. These people have access to the best care and will push their human flesh to it’s limit. The queen doesn’t deserve the loyalty she’s enjoyed for too long. She’s part of the problem and needs to live to see the secrets laid out for the world to see.

    • Mumbles says:

      The palace was not behind this book and when news of it came out last week, it sounded like they were worried about what Lacey had found out.

      What a terrible, sad bunch.

    • Sofia says:

      I said that this seemed to be the BRF’s response but yeah, William’s not coming out looking too good. I then started thinking it might be the courtier’s response because Finding Freedom seemed to lay the blame on their feet instead of the family/media but why would they make the future future king look bad?

      Maybe this is the media’s and maybe some courtiers response to it. They can complain about the Sussexes like usual but also complain about the BRF and talk about certain things like William’s temper – which they can’t/don’t want to do through the papers they work for.

      • Becks1 says:

        That’s a good theory, FF seemed to dance around the family and put a lot of blame on the courtiers, and this book seems to put the blame back on the family.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        I think you are onto something here. Let the blame game tennis match begin. All these revelations just make Willileaks look terrible.

    • Becks1 says:

      I need to read the whole book now I think to get a feel for what the overall point is, but I am now really on board with Nic919′s comment yesterday that this has Charles’s hands all over it. Now, he doesn’t look great, even in these segments (especially the dig about not being around, and then using the rehab visit as a way to improve his own image), but William is the one who REALLY looks bad. I am starting to wonder if some of this is meant as a warning shot to William, if not from Charles then just from the press and courtiers – “your hands are dirty and everyone knows it.”

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “(especially the dig about not being around, and then using the rehab visit as a way to improve his own image)”

        I need to read the tales in the context of the book to see how they are being presented. Many CBers dislike Lady Colin because she is accused of saying the The Queen Mother was “illegitimate” and the natural daughter of the family cook.
        Lady Colin Campbell said no such thing in any of her books. Lady Colin Campbell only repeated, in much detail, rumors that been circulating in Toff Circles for years. Lady Colin Campbell straight-out admits she is only repeating rumors that have no “back-up” receipts. I think many of the rumors, now taken as fact, about how Charles parented his boys may also lack “back-up” receipts.

      • Love says:

        I want to read this too, and because some royal rats are coming out Trying to discredit this book… did you see Dickie’s tweet with some woman reviewing the book?

        I’m also torn about what to believe, because in the same book he does paint Meg as some whiny brat with self pitying issues, which is not the Meg I saw before this royal nonsense… so where do his lies begin and end?

        I did love “ William’s subsequent emergence smelling of roses.” 🌹🌹

      • RoyalBlue says:

        I am not going to read it, but let us know if you get any more dirt from it. there are only two that can put William in his place; Buckingham Palace and Clarence House. this has clarence house fingerprints all over it. Charles strikes back!

      • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

        I agree Becks. This has Charles written all over it.

        I think at 70+, Charles knows whatever reign he has will not be as impactful as the one before him and it will not be as consequential as the one after him. I think this is Charles firing his warning shot not only to William but to all of the UK regarding Wills’ true temperament and nature regarding why he shouldn’t be king for a long time yet.

        I actually think this feud has really boxed Charles into a corner and I think Charles has nothing to lose but come clean about some of his poor choices so I can see him not caring if he looks terrible. I actually think between losing Harry and Covid, there has been a shift in Charles this past year. Is it possible that the crown is not as vital to him as it once was?

      • Nic919 says:

        Maybe Charles is tired of KP trying to push the narrative of skipping a generation. I haven’t seen much in the excerpts that make Charles look bad so I am sticking with my theory until someone reads the book and finds some anti Charles stuff.

      • Tessa says:

        I read the book Lady Campbell did say she was the illegitimate daughter of Strathmore and the Cook. She cribbed some of the book from Kitty Kelley’s the Royals.

      • Tealie says:

        @Love I think the truth is always somewhere in between are you could always tell what the truth is because they always love to deny the hardest and come up with the most excuses. I think whatever they try and squash in the tabloids from the book is likely what is true.

    • BabsORIG says:

      The more I read of this, the more I’m convinced that this is CH response to NOT FF but to William and Kate’s embiggening campaign and self portraying as the most deserving future king and consort. Willileaks has for sometime now been pushing the “cut Charles and Camilla out and shove them aside for me and Kate” narrative and many people, including me, have been asking what Charles thinks of and feels about it. Now I believe Charles is trying to dent his eldest son’s and his wife’s “squeeky clean” image. This is all Charles trying to tell us that actually Harry is not the only bad guy here. In a way I believe Charles is trying to knock Willileaks down a peg.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Willileaks has for sometime now been pushing the “cut Charles and Camilla out and shove them aside for me and Kate” narrative”

        The commentariat of the Daily Fail pushes this narrative every day in every comment section of a Royal article. At first I thought it was due to a dislike of Camilla and the fact that Charles married her but it is actually a dislike of Charles as he is considered too “woke” and residue from the posters that still worship Diana through rose-colored glasses.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        Yes, Yes and Yes again!

    • Yvette says:

      @Makeda .. “The more of this I read, the more incredulous I become. Did the palace actually mean for this to be a response to FF that made William look good????”

      The Palace never said this, it was the daily Mail and other British Tabloids. The subject matter of this book had to have been sanctioned by someone extremely high up. My money is on either the Queen or the Prince of Wales … or perhaps both?

      If Sir Christopher Geidt, once the keeper of all Royal secrets, is the well-informed source who collaborated with Robert Lacey, then my choice is the Queen. Someone really wanted William’s true nature revealed.

      William, love … the next time the Queen of England invites you to lunch with your brother–go. :)

      • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

        I think both of them. Because at the end of the day I don’t think Charles or the Queen honestly care that Harry has left and I think they are rather proud of him for standing his ground and leaving. I sense no hate from either of them towards Harry’s actions.

        There has been a feeling I’ve had that there is something far more nefarious the Queen and Charles need to hide to protect. I also suspect William is an absolute terror for either of them to deal with. Not sure how those two are related but I’m sure they are.

    • Margaret says:

      If Lacey sent the manuscript to the Palace peeps for their perusal and comments and it was returned unopened, what does this mean? Is it really possible that the royals and their sycophants are so far up themselves that it didn’t occur to them that Lacey might have written something that was outside the ambit of the directions they gave him, and that the result might not be what they expected? I cannot imagine that he was told to shaft William, which he seems to have done. None of it seems to cast the royals in a good light.

    • HeyJude says:

      The Palace is completely and utterly disconnected from reality. We know that much is clear. So perhaps they totally misjudged how this would come across.

      But more pragmatically, I’m thinking the ol’ viper pit Palace doesn’t care if it has to throw William under the bus now in this book to blame for running off Harry & as the new whipping boy, as long as it keeps future King Charles and Chief Queen Petty from looking worse and taking the ultimate blame they deserve.

  4. Seraphina says:

    As a mother, reading this, it makes my heart ache that brothers and a father have acted this way. I cannot imagine how things may have been a bit different if Diana were around to see this. She knew how the BRF operates.

    • ABritGuest says:

      Yeah Byline did a piece on how a vulnerable Harry was offered up to the press by Mark Bolland to Rebecca Brooks for positive Pr for Charles

      There’s suggestions the press were spying on him as a teen as well as Chelsy. So much for that royal protection.

      William has said on camera he was up to just as much as Harry if not worse. Robert Jobson said so too& that the press would even exaggerate the party prince image through repeating certain images so looked like he was partying and fighting with photographers all the time. but William is the heir so protected& has to look better.

      Kate & Harry even had the nude pictures at the same time but whilst the British press didn’t publish Kate’s pictures out of respect to her& her position, the Sun happily published Harry’s pictures.

      Then Meghan comes along & is accused of funding terrorism, trying to kill Charlotte with her wedding flowers etc, Piers has these weekly rants about her etc and the Firm does nothing? I don’t blame Harry for seeking an escape.

      I can see the Archie and Cambridge kids comparisons being extra nasty if royal press discourse doesn’t change because of Archie’s black grandmother.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Rebecca Brooks worked for The Sun and Harry is suing The Sun.

      • HeyJude says:

        In retrospect, the whole phone hacking thing while he was still an underage teen might just be the singular moment (apart of his mother’s death) where Harry thought, “hey, this is crazy, royal life might not be for me. Maybe there’s another way”.

    • Sofia says:

      Might be an unpopular opinion but I think the BRF and William (and especially) Harry would be very different if she was still alive. I think William would have turned out more or less the same but he wouldn’t be /this/ bad because I’m hoping Diana would have controlled him. But I think Harry, personality wise, would have turned into Andrew (not to that extent) because Diana would have coddled him the way HM does with Andrew (again, maybe not to that extent). He would have remained stuck as a overspoilt, rotten teenager the way Andrew is.

      • Lizzie says:

        Diana allowed William to yell at her, hang up on her and not speak to her when he was a teen. I don’t know if anger and rage could be controlled by his parent at that age but she should have put up boundaries that a child does not cross with his parents. I doubt she would have let Harry be thrown under the bus.
        She did coddle William and I agree with you, William is turning out entitled just like Andrew.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        It might be an unpopular take but Diana was very damaged herself. Both by her family and later on by her husband and the RF. She would definitely have protected Harry to some extent but William she may have left alone as he was under the grip of firstly, the Queen Mother and then later on the Queen. I don’t think she would have liked Kate or her mother very much but Kate would have done everything in her power to win her over.

      • MissMarierose says:

        I don’t think we could have really expected Diana to change her sons’ behavior. Just look at the first story above with her and William. He was angry at her because she put herself and her squabbles with her husband above privacy for her children.

      • RedWeatherTiger says:

        Had Diana lived, I doubt there would be a Kween Kate…Carole modeled Kate into the partner/family he needed as a result of his mother’s untimely death. She saw a vulnerability and took a shot at it. It worked. Had Diana lived, both boys’ trajectories would have been far different, and likely their spouses, too.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Diana “spousified” William at an early age. One minute she would treat him as her eldest son and the next minute she would lean on him for support as one would lean on a best male friend or brother in times of emotional turmoil.

        @RedWeatherTiger – I always thought and still think ,if Diana had lived a normal lifespan, both boys would have married minor-minor foreign Royalty as Diana does not seem to me to the be type that wanted to share “English Rose” spotlight with anyone. Of the two Duchess, it is my hypothesis that Diana would have preferred Meghan; JMHO

      • windyriver says:

        It’s interesting that both of these young men, who lost their own mother at early ages, ended up with women whose mothers were very strong influences in their lives. In Will’s case, he was still young when he met Kate, and whether Carole really was a surrogate mother, she undoubtedly had influence (especially if he was having issues with Charles) and reinforced the worst of his character traits and tendencies because coddling him served her purposes. By the time Harry met Meghan, he was older and a more fully realized person. Doria doesn’t seem to be a day-to-day presence in Meghan’s life the way Carole has been in Kate’s over the years, nor does she appear to have an agenda of her own. I wouldn’t be surprised if she is the family Harry hasn’t had since Diana died. It’s less clear to me whether Will thinks that way about Carole.

      • Harper says:

        A lot has been said about the Middelton’s warm, close-knit, middle-class family being a haven for vulnerable Will. It seems to assume that there was no way vulnerable Will could have been drawn into the bosom of an upper-class family that was also warm and close-knit but could also serve as an influential example of how to be charitable with one’s time and talents from a position of wealth and privilege. If you look at Carole’s kids, none of them have accomplished anything and do not seem charity-minded, and how surprising then is it that neither has Will? If Diana had been around, she would have directed Will toward finding some meaningful cause to base his life’s work. Carole could not point him in the way of meaningful growth suited to his life’s course, because she had no idea what Will really needed.

      • Nic919 says:

        Carole’s focus in moving up has always been more money, prestige and better social circles. Substance and charity never played a role which is why all three Middleton kids are generally useless. And William was treated as a king by them which he didn’t get from the Windsors and so his ego has been fed and he thinks that he’s fine just as he is.

      • Tealie says:

        @ Elizabeth Regina Oh my God do you know what Riddhi Elizabeth you’re right. Looking at it I can see so much many parallels between Kate and Carol and Diana and her mother. Diana’s mother would’ve LOVED Kate. she is very much the ‘princess’ that Diana’s mother wanted her to be; suppliant, mute, obedient and a communal clout chaser just like Carole, but instead she got shy, nervous but also erratic and unpredictable (A product of a damage childhood). I think Diana would’ve seen this and stared William away or tried to sabotage the relationship which actually with any intervention/get out card would’ve happened anyway. Someone also talked about Diana s William which I think would’ve been true I think she would’ve almost made him her husband/son would’ve have stayed enmeshed with his mum and become bachelor like Prince Albert of Monaco until his 40s/50s before he settled down.

      • Donna says:

        Nope. William is Andrew II. I remember watching an interview of Harry & William; Harry was between 17yrs-19yrs. When the interviewer asked what each of them wanted to do with their lives, Harry stated he wanted to be an humanitarian like his mother. Andrew II = William.

  5. Edna says:

    Man…William did grow into the face he deserved. Talk about your looks running hard and fast away from you.

    Well, if people are going to buy into all the Meghan bashing in this book, let’s see if they also believe the rest of this book about how bad William truly is.

  6. Pose83 says:

    Whilst I agree with a lot of the conjecture in this piece, I think it’s rather unfair to put so much blame on William so young (18 is young). Siblings do blame each other for incidents to get out of certain scenarios or paint themselves in a certain way, it just turns out that the stakes here were/are higher and more public.

    Charles should have been a lot more aware of his sons’ behaviour, but it sounds like he had other priorities.

    • tempest prognosticator says:

      I agree. They were teenagers. Neither one of the brothers had fully developed brains yet. Charles, on the other hand, was a grown-ass adult.

      • Angela says:

        EXACTLY William is not the father in this situation. Where the fuck was his dad oh right missing in action fucking around with the woman he couldn’t man up and marry in the first place

      • Heat says:

        Right!!!??? Are we supposed to be shocked that two teenaged boys, with limitless funds and no real parental supervision, would act out in this way? Add to this, the very public divorce of their parents, harassment by paparazzi, leading to the death of their mother.
        A lot of things can be lumped onto William, but their teenaged behaviour is not one of them.

      • snappyfish says:

        Exactly this. Two overly privileged boys… boys!! It isn’t fair to blame one or the other other. Charles is the bad guy in the scenario. Heat said it really well. Both parents cheating, the public brutal divorce, life in the fishbowl, the horrific accident that took their mother’s death. I’m also a little sick of pitting the Princes and their wives against each other. Like most stories told 3rd and 4th party. Take it with a grain of salt. I hope that much of what they are going through is amplified by the want to sell books and spread gossip and that both Men and their families are okay

      • Becks1 says:

        Okay, but William is no longer a teenager. His behavior hasn’t changed, even if we just go by the accounts in this book (so we accept the stories about Club H as told in this book and the stories about William’s current behavior as told in this book, as “true” for the purposes of this discussion.) So what may have been understandable 20 years ago for William is no longer understandable, except that he never faced consequences for his behavior. A normal 17, 18 year old acts out, and there are consequences, and hopefully you eventually learn to change your behavior. That’s part of growing up and maturing.

        We have not seen that with William.

      • February-Pisces says:

        Although I do agree that William was very young here, I also think it’s kind of necessary given his behaviour today. To understand their dynamic I think we need to understand their history. William never grew out of this rage and grew up believing harry existence was to serve him and make him look better.

        He has always believed harry was beneath him, and would do anything to keep it that way.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles did not want to marry Camilla back then, Later she became the married mistress. Charles got to have his cake and eat it too, the suitable wife had the children (he only wanted two) then he could leave the wife and be with the mistress and give her expensive baubles and She could throw her weight around.

    • ShazBot says:

      Where’d you think W learned it from? Charles is master class at using his family for good PR.

      The more I see stuff like this, the more I realize that if Diana had lived, William would have pushed her away and hung her out to dry. His constantly playing the Diana card is not reflective of what their relationship would have actually been.

      • Tessa says:

        William plays the Diana card when it suits him. I think William would not have rejected Diana had she lived, he was to cagey for that since Diana would always have a following. HE would not have burned his bridges and wanted the image of being “Diana’s Son.” Diana though may like Harry have gotten fed up with William.

    • KA says:

      For the earlier behavior, I agree with you. But at some point William became a man and could have changed his behavior. Instead, he choose to accept the story Charles had helped to craft. William leaned in harder to the story as they got older. I think, if he had changed, Harry may have been able to move past the hurts of childhood. But instead, Harry can just go really far back to see the pattern that has never changed.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yeah I’m here. William throwing Harry under the bus at 16, 18? I would give him a pass for that IF we had seen that his behavior had changed since then. But it hasn’t. That behavior at 18 – that’s who William is, to this day.

      • notasugarhere says:

        He threw him under the bus at 14 at Eton, even earlier if you count William participating in the heir vs. spare treatment their entire lives. William being an abusive little sh!t knowing the staff would take it out on Harry.

      • Tealie says:

        I agree honestly past 16 and certainly 18 I wouldn’t really give any excuses for him especially with a brother that is quite sensitive and snivelly 3/4 years your junior in such big ways?? I’m not sure about that…

        I just think it’s very weird to still want to continue what you’re doing When you know that it’s emotionally breaking someone already fragile apart piece by piece . I don’t have any siblings but I couldn’t think of anything more psychotic than using my cousins who are the same difference younger than me in our 20s and teenage years as world wide scapegoats for my actions whilst continuing and seeing the effect it has on them mentally…

        Like, Thad is BEYOND toxic and abusive, and then to continuing by trying to ruin the first time he feels real happiness because it doesn’t cater to you, attacking his wife and child, trying to RUIN his charities, and trying to emotionally black mail him hi having tabloids bombard him with guilt trips for him to leave his wife and come back to you, so that YOU can be King, like 😷😷.
        AND THEN after this to having the audacity to print a story that says “I can’t put my hand around Harry anymore?!’ Like ?? What arm the chokehold you’ve got around his neck??

        No but really, when has William EVER been there for Harry in the same way Harry has been there for him, that we know of ??! Never, he hasn’t and this is even after the sympathetic in embiggening he gets added to each story and turn of phrase.

    • S808 says:

      I’d agree if William had grown out of this behavior as he grew older but he hasn’t and by all accounts seems upset Harry won’t be around to continue to be a shield.

    • Myra says:

      Charles should definitely have been a better parent. It does seem like both boys blamed him for being absent. The BRF seem like a dysfunctional and unemotional family. It must have been really hard on a young Harry who seems like a sensitive person with a lot of heart. It makes me so relieved that he got out. He has a second chance at a new life

      • ArtHistorian says:

        One historian characterized the Windsors as emotionally constipated with serious communication problems. They’ll never change and the dysfunctional patterns will repeat themselves, aided by senior staffers intent upon upholding the rigid hierarchy of the institution.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        IMPO, Charles did not know how to be a good parent. Royal & Aristocratic children of his generation were entirely raised by nannies, governesses, tutors and boarding schools.

        Diana was hailed as the first “Hands-on” royal parent simply because she was more “Hands-on” than her predecessors. Diana & Charles really did turn over much (much more than one would expect) of parenting to nannies, governesses, tutors and boarding schools. This is also discussed in Robert Lacey’s book.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles is certainly missing in action now regarding his sons.

    • GG says:

      Yes! Who in their right mind thought it would be appropriate for two teenage boys to have a fully stocked bar in their bunker?! I think it’s pretty common for younger siblings to be corrupted by their older siblings, and while it’s 100% not okay for Harry to be used in the press as a scapegoat, I’m a hell of a lot more disturbed that ALL the resources were NOT utilized to provide Harry (and William because anger management seems like it could have been fruitful) with the emotional support he’s was in need of. It was Charles’s responsibility to be a present parent for his sons, and he clearly failed them.

    • Lizzie says:

      I think the major take away for me is that for 18 years William was told he was entitled to have his misdeeds covered up and blamed on his brother and he ran with it to this day.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I do not think he was “told”. I think his misdeeds were just covered up and he never thought about it at all. If you have a maid to make up your bed each day from birth you are not aware that a bed needs to be made up let alone how to make up a bed.

        Gotta give old Queen Mary credit where credit is due. Due to the servant shortage during WWII, Queen Diamond Drawers taught Elizabeth and Margaret how to make up a bed.

      • Tealie says:

        @ BayTampaBay of course he was ‘told’, do you think after convenient Harry story 5782 he didn’t notice what was happening??? Do you think he didn’t see what was happening to his parents, aunt cousin grandfather, he KNEW alright, and he knew it was breaking Harry AND HE DIDN’T CAREE!! And it’s time we start calling it what it is

    • theothercleo says:

      I agree. I can’t stand William but I’m not going to blame him in this particular instance. Or for his reaction to Diana’s interview. And even if he had picked Harry costume, Harry was still the one who thought that going to a “Colonial and Natives” party dressed as a Nazi was a good idea.
      I think he’s a terrible person and the way he treated his brother and sister-in-law is awful but to me these aren’t the most telling incidents.

      • MsIam says:

        The point of showing these incidents is to disprove the storyline that Meghan is the one who “destroyed “ the brothers relationship. The “Harry and William are inseparable and hold each other up” story was a myth at best and a lie at the worst. And while the Kate and William stans may not want to face the fact that he is a terrible person and a user, these stories show that he has been one for a long time.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “story was a myth at best”

        Almost as good as the myth and or lie regarding the so-called Malta Years which has been used as an excuse for Cant & Wont Keen not working as full time Senior Royals.

      • Tessa says:

        Harry was thrown to the wolves. William was wearing a skin tight lion King costume accompanied by Guy Pelly in drag as QE II. William’s and Pelly’s embarrassing costumes would not be shown and in a deal with the press they were not shown. William also was reported running around in a loin cloth at the party, no pictures shown. There was a photo that ended up in the US press of Boa Boy William dancing in a feathered boy looking worse for wear. This photo was censored in the UK.

      • Tealie says:

        Wait till you find out that ACTUAL William‘s 21st birthday party was a ‘colonial Africa‘ party at Buckingham palace, where some guests dressed in black face!

    • Dee says:

      William may be psychologically stuck in teenage mode.

      • Jaded says:

        I was just about to post a similar comment. Childhood trauma – i.e. parents going through an ugly, public separation and divorce; death of a parent – at such an early age leaves terrible scars. One of the results can be a kind of arrested emotional development and I think that’s exactly what happened to William. I’m not condoning his behaviour, but he should have gone into therapy early on to address his problems before they became carved in stone. It was a perfect storm of circumstances that led him to grow into an ugly, spiteful and entitled brat.

      • Elizabeth Phillips says:

        It happened to Diana, too, and Charles was all but orphaned when his mother became queen.

    • Nic919 says:

      This helps to show that William was never the “more mature” one as he was only two years older and therefore not a parent. By that same token, he’s not in a position to give relationship advice to Harry, especially about Meghan, because clearly William has his own issues that the press has conveniently ignored.

    • Blerg says:

      I thought the same, Pose83.

      Back when Charles and Diana were divorcing, there was a political cartoon that showed their legs/shoes, and underneath it said “Windsors.” And then it showed the boys, and underneath it said “Losers.” :(

  7. Jessica says:

    None of these excerpts make William look good. Not a single one. Holy shit.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Exactly! Now I understand their don’t complain, don’t explain motto. Suspecting how bad William is, is one thing but to have it laid out like this, is astonishing.

  8. Jessica says:

    Absentee father Charles doesn’t look great either. These folks are complete absentee parents and then the tabloids would have us believe they’re personally devastated by not seeing Archie or having enough time with William’s kids. Give me a break.

    • Shannon1993 says:

      Exactly. As I was reading this I kept thinking “who was looking after these boys during their teenage years?” Diana had passed away, Charles seemed to be gone/travelling quite a lot, so who was looking after them on a day-to-day basis when they were not at boarding school? Obviously, even kids with parents who are very involved can still get up to shenanigans, but it just seems like no one was looking out for or after them.

    • Lizzie says:

      I believe Eton years are equivalent to US high school junior and senior years. Incredible that Charles was absent.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Eton College is a 13–18 independent boarding school for boys”

        In the USA this would be 8th thru 12th grade.

  9. Tealie says:

    Not mentioned here, but I think them not knowing he had dyslexia which is why he was feeling in school until he was 18 says everything about his childhood.

    • Lucylee says:


    • Mooshe1 says:

      I agree 100%. He had a lot going on. Being the spare, dyslexia, people saying he was Hewitt’s son, Diana dying, and he’s said he feels guilty because he was impatient with her on their last call. Yeah, I get William was a kid and every older brother doesn’t want to play mentor to the younger sibling, no problem. But neither of them are children anymore. Harry said the military saved his life and I can believe it. I can’t imagine spending the rest of my life being expected to be less than. No way, Harry’s better off with his family.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles never protected Harry from the Hewitt rumors. He did with the Parker Bowles children since there were rumors he fathered one or both. He sat down with his biographer Dimbleby and told him the exact times he was intimate with Camilla. And noted he started up again the affair with Camilla, after she married APB and their children were born. There is an obvious resemblance between Harry and Charles and Harry and his granddad philip and I think it a moot point but Charles could have said something like it was over with Diana after 1986 and he could have quashed those rumors.

    • Kalana says:

      Harry was sent to incredibly expensive schools where he should have had personalized care and instead Eton wrote him off and encouraged him to cheat.

      It reminds me a little of Charles also being sent to a school which was not a good fit for him but suited someone else’s (Philip’s) needs.

      • Va Va Kaboom says:

        I wonder how many of Harry’s professors suspected he had Dyslexia, but chose to remain silent. Who wants to be the one to go out on a limb and tell the Prince of Wales his son may have learning disabilities?

        Especially during a period of time when said prince and his spin doctor were tossing any and everyone under the bus in a bid to improve his image. They were ruining the careers of family and trusted long term staff members in their bid to keep the media onside. A random professor at Eton didn’t stand a chance if they chose to spin it a certain way.

      • Jaded says:

        @Va Va Kaboom (great moniker BTW) – I’m sure the faculty was aware of Harry’s dyslexia, but as it’s not a learning disability but a reading disability, they figured extra tutoring would suffice, and certainly getting some therapy from an expert on overcoming dyslexia would have been an enormous help to his reading skills and self-esteem. But no…that didn’t happen and shame on his father for not getting him the help he needed.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Who wants to be the one to go out on a limb and tell the Prince of Wales his son may have learning disabilities?”

        Thank the lord that Beatrice went to a school with excellent educators who recognized her Dyslexia and immediately informed the Duke & Duchess of York of her challenge.

  10. S808 says:

    Based on this book, it seems that neither his older brother nor his father had his best interests in mind when it came to him. Either William was using him as a shield or Charles was using him to clean up his image as as father. It explains why the press is begging for party Harry, drunken Harry to make a comeback. The Harry that is with Meghan doesn’t do anything for William or Charles.

  11. equality says:

    This sounds like Mark Dyer, who Harry is supposedly close to, spilled the beans. William, as late as 2016, was supposedly still partying. He skipped the Commonwealth Service and left his young baby behind to go on a guy’s trip in 2016. Prince Harry wasn’t there to deflect news then. It makes it more believable about the Rose issue also since William’s bad behavior gets buried so easily.

    • MsIam says:

      Him and/or Christopher Geidt. Geidt knows he’s safe as long as the queen is alive and then Charles will toss him out again. And Dyer is loyal to Harry, isn’t he supposed to be one of the rumored godparents for Archie. So I can see Geidt wanting to punch Charles in the nose and Dyer taking up for Harry.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        The story with Christopher Geidt and Future Charles III never made ANY sense to me. There must be so much more spilled tea on the floor. I hope it has not been wiped up!

      • A says:

        @Bay, I always figured it was simple. Geidt was pushing for a more consolidated, cohesive operation with all three of the royal households, at a time when Charles, who was nearing 70, was angling for more influence in light of the fact that his mother was in her 90s. Andrew was angry about the fact that Geidt supported Charles’ plans to kick him to the curb at the end of the Queen’s reign. Both of them figured getting rid of Geidt would help them achieve their own ends, except it all ended in pretty much shambles.

  12. Cleo says:

    Where was Harry’s father during those years??

    • Amy Bee says:

      Working on improving his image and trying to get the public and press to accept Camilla.

      • Becks1 says:

        Well, yes, but let’s not ignore that Charles has been a very hardworking Prince of Wales – he wasn’t just off working on Camilla’s image. He was doing a lot of foreign tours, tours within the UK, running the Prince’s Trust, etc.

        But of course that doesn’t excuse “here boys, go to Highgrove with your friends for the weekend and drink all weekend!” the boys could have stayed in London (where Charles was probably more often than Highgrove) or they could have had a dedicated supervisor who actually enforced discipline and rules on them.

      • Dl says:

        @Becks1 thank you so much! You suggested House of Windsor. So much respect for your knowledge I am now watching it

  13. Nic919 says:

    Wait they are actually publishing that William got Harry the Nazi costume? I mean people have been saying this for years and that William was far more involved than the media portrayed, but I am really surprised this book is going there. This is a bad look for William and really blows away the perfect image they gave him compared to the wild child Harry image.

    • Mumbles says:

      No, per the excerpt, Harry picked the costume himself.

      • Tessa says:

        If he were my brother I would have told Harry straight off it would be a mistake to buy it and perhaps got him a book about that time period. I did read that William also was woefully ignorant about that time period and did not think the costume “bad.”

    • Myra says:

      I mean, William also had an African-themed birthday party. It’s not too far off to believe that he goaded his impressionable younger brother in wearing the Nazi costume. I wonder what he was wearing on that day.

      • 809 Matriarch says:

        I heard William was dressed as a Zulu warrior. Not good.

      • Mumbles says:

        Per the article, William was dressed as a lion.

      • Becks1 says:

        I think the Zulu warrior was for his African-themed party. For this, I think he went in a black leotard with “accessories” to make him look like a lion or tiger or whatever. And by “I think” I mean I just googled and found a story or two from 2003, but no pictures. There are, however, pictures of guests arriving at said African themed party and…..yikes.

      • Kalana says:

        William wore a black leotard and leopard and another animal’s skins. Why would he do that if he was a lion? I think it’s very convenient that not a single picture of William at the party ever made it to the internet or press.

      • Va Va Kaboom says:

        Wait… what? I’ve honestly never heard anything about William’s costume before. He wore animal skins and a black leotard? A leotard like the full body variety? The kind that once worn makes you look like whatever color the leotard happens to be? With animal skins draped around him…?

        Mother Fudger!!!! No wonder they (rightfully) went so hard on Harry’s Nazi costume… William was in blackface! How did I never hear this before! How are there no photos!

      • Tessa says:

        The Lion King outfit was said by witnesses to be skin tight on William. And Pelly escorted him dressed in drag as QE II.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It was in several old articles, with the shopkeeper on record admitting it. There’s been a lot of cleanup around William’s image, but it isn’t all gone. Those articles are still out there along with a pic or two of him dressed as an ‘African native’ (his costume of choice).

  14. Millenial says:

    William also reportedly wanted to dress like a Zulu warrior at that party, but they didn’t have that costume so he settled for being a lion. So he only barely escaped scrutiny himself.

    • notasugarhere says:

      He didn’t settle for being a lion. That was the press cleanup around it, while throwing Harry under the bus. William demanded an ‘African native’ costume, shop didn’t have them. He made his own costume out of, get this, animal skins lying around Highgrove. There is at least one picture of him in the costume, floating around social media.

      • HeatherC says:

        I’m sure if called out again it will be spun as him being thrifty lol. “Look! He recycled the trophy skins into something better as he celebrated the African culture!” (because there’s only African culture, not Somalian culture or Kenyan culture, etc)

      • Millenial says:


  15. Mumbles says:

    I remember the Nazi costume getting a lot of press. While it is true that someone – including the brother he attended the party with – should have intervened, per the excerpt, Harry picked the costume himself. That it was for a ”Colonials and Natives” party in the 2000s is all you need to know about how gross this aristo set is.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Per the shopkeeper themselves in interviews published at the time, William picked out Harry’s costume. William also requested an ‘African native’ costume for himself.

    • Abena Asantewaa says:

      @ Mumbles, no I read years back that William was the one who chose and encouraged Harry to wear the Nazi costume, Harry got a lot of flak for it, and rightly so, but William was always presented as the clean one. He took as much drugs as Harry, and drunk even more, but as future king, he is always shielded.

      • Mumbles says:

        If that’s the case, than Lacey has it wrong, because the excerpt puts the decision in Harry’s hands.

  16. Christa says:

    I don’t know if this book was really palace-driven, honestly. I think the author has a lot of connections to palace staff and royal circles, so what you get on Harry and Megan reflects the viewpoint of his sources. But he’s bringing up a lot of dirty linen that I think the palace would prefer remain buried. His thrust seems to be, as difficult as Harry and Megan may have been (and that’s coming from the courtiers), the crisis could have been averted with better management by the Palace and the break is not good for the family or the institution of the monarchy. But his overarching focus is the institution of the monarchy and how it’s struggled to find a good role for the “spare” over the years.

  17. Oh says:

    It’s funny how the haters and the press claim that Harry was “happy” and never “complained” before Meghan … Harry’s life was so sad … his twenties was a mess and it is ironic that Harry said on a podcast with Bryony Gordon that William helped and advised him to go for therapy …LIKE WTF

    • Amy Bee says:

      I believe that a condition of of agreeing to do the podcast was Harry had to say that William was there for him but I don’t believe that story. If anything, William probably told Harry to “man up”. It clear that Harry was unhappy and lonely for most of his life and that the happy image he portrayed on engagements was a false one. He essentially said so in the podcast.

      • Oh says:

        I agree , his life was miserable and he was not happy, he was the clown of the family and RF were happy about that. He said himself that he was very close to a complete breakdown on numerous occasions.. But yes, in the minds of the press and the haters, he was so Happy and Meghan who made him miserable and ruined his life

      • Ginger says:

        I love that podcast, everyone should listen to it. I never bought that William told Harry to go to therapy. William loves to receive credit when he does nothing. I personally think a close friend talked to him about it.

        Harry was doing a job representing the Queen so he would show up and laugh, smile, engage with people. It doesn’t mean he was happy.He was doing his job. He said he was really struggling on the inside. These RR’s don’t know shit about Harry. He was miserable.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Harry never seemed that happy to me when he was dating Chelsey & Cressida.

      • Tessa says:

        Cressida probably wanted to end up with the man she married. There did not seem to be much chemistry between Harry and Cressida. I think Chelsy disliked the idea of joining that family. She was trashed on some blogs with the same comparison to Kate (Kate is perfect) that Meghan experiences by critics. Chelsy I think had a bad time with the media and bloggers. She did not like that sort of thing.

    • Merricat says:

      Harry’s life could have been a tragedy, aimless, without purpose, sunk in decadence and listlessness. He saved himself, no thanks to them, and good job, him. He may eventually forgive his brother, but that doesn’t mean he and his wife will ever go back to the Firm. He made his escape.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I really wonder if “The Firm” really wants the Sussexes back?

      • Oh says:

        The firm doesn’t want Meghan… The firm wants Harry to divorce Meghan and then come back to them again, not just the firm. Many people dream and wish Harry could divorce Meghan and then return to the UK so he does his “role to support his brother.”

  18. Lori says:

    “ Lacey says, that Harry “began re-evaluating his elder brother’s involvement and the unfairness of William’s subsequent emergence smelling of roses…”

    The jokes write themselves, folks 🌹

  19. Lauren says:

    I’m so buying this book. Shows what a dumpster fire that whole family is. Not a pretty look for petty betty and her heirs.

  20. Amy Bee says:

    Nothing new or jaw dropping is exposed here. Harry and William’s “closeness” was manufactured by the Royal Family and the press. Harry was made to know from a very young age that he was the spare and not equal to William. This would have prevented them from having the close relationship that was portrayed in the press. Not mentioned here, is that Harry was forced to leave the Army by the family, this would have caused further strain in his relationship with William who it’s been said didn’t want Harry to outrank him in military terms. Another thing is that Harry hated being part of the Royal Trio because he knew he was being used by William and Kate for good PR and popularity.

    • Donna says:

      I remember reading an interview done by Harry where he stated that it was QE who convinced him to leave the military & fulfill his “family duties”. I got the impression that she didn’t want Harry: 1. to have a peaceful & happy life; 2. have a successful career; & 3. think for himself & build a legacy for himself & future family. I didn’t know it had to do with William not wanting Harry to exceed him in military honors. William is horrible & a douchebag. Geez. I blame QE for all of this.

    • Donna says:

      You’re right about them wanting Harry to be the third wheel behind William & Kate.

  21. Lizzie says:

    Every day I am astounded that this is the Windsor’s side of the story. Do they think if they show Harry and Meghan as difficult, or whatever, we will all say ‘well of course rage and a smear campaign are the only answer’? This book may do more for the Sussex’s than Finding Freedom.

  22. Aurora says:

    Harry seems to be the only person in the family who didn’t backstab or throw another member under the bus. I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

    • Amy Too says:

      That’s actually a really good point. We keep reading about how will and Kate and the Queen and Charles all feel and what they think behind the scenes, and they’re filling in all sorts of private details about Harry and Meghan’s life, and have been throwing Harry under the bus since he was a child, and yet there’s not any examples of Harry doing that to his family. I’m constantly reading RF fans saying stuff like “well of course they’re so mad that they had to go to reporters, Harry is just that awful!” Or “Well they have to get the real story out there because Harry and Meghan are just so underhanded and making everyone think they’re victims.” Lots of stuff about how “Well yeah, William was full of rage and Kate did look so pissed off at the commonwealth service and they both obviously did cut Harry and Meghan, and yeah they did put all the blame on Harry that one time, and I yeah Kate did do the same thing Meghan did and it wasn’t a big deal, and yeah they ignored them at the polo match, and sure, Kate refuses to look at Meghan or Archie, and yeah, the queen refused to meet with her own grandson, and of course they’re leaking every single little thing that might have bothered them about Meghan, but that’s okay because they were really justifiably pissed at Harry and Meghan, or they felt like Meghan was disrespecting the queen, or they had to show that they’re the most important ones in the monarchy and to do that they have to freeze out the Sussexes publicly.”

      But we never get these anonymous briefing to the Daily Mail stories, or leaking private information about his family to the press from Harry or Meghan about the rest of them. And Harry really never seemed to even respond when lies were told about him to protect William or Charles. Apparently Harry and Meghan are so f*cking awful and shady and underhanded and that’s the justification for why all the other royal houses, family and staff, HAVE TO get their side of the story out in the press, and fill in all the private family details, and leak Harry and Meghan’s plans but the only things we get from Harry and Meghan are first hand from them or official press releases about what Harry and Meghan are doing. It’s not all about throwing everyone else under the bus to make themselves look good or “justify” why they feel the way the way they do or do the things they’re doing. They focus on themselves and talk to the press only about themselves and what they’re doing.

      • Kalana says:

        Yup. That family has been terrible to Harry and Meghan but it’s all okay because “reasons.” But now that Harry and Meghan have left, these same people are slowly willing to start criticizing the other royals again. Mostly to make excuses for Will and Kate.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Mostly to make excuses for Will and Kate.”

        The majority of the Commentariat at The Daily Fail cannot stand Charles and Camilla. Charles because he is viewed as being “woke” and Camilla because she married Charles.

      • Amy Too says:

        It seems to all boil down to the palaces and staff HAD to leak and were justified in doing so because they had a sad or a mad about Harry or felt that Harry was disrespecting one of them. And the only recourse was to hit back in the press and that’s totally fair and justified. But Harry, who obviously also feels sad and mad about his family, and feels like they’re disrespecting him and his family, isn’t allowed to say anything about them, leak about them, or even reply to the leaks and lies they put out about him and his family. The whole furiously unhinged amount of “HOW VERY DARE THEY!?’?” about finding freedom which A) wasn’t even their book and B) tried to make everyone except maybe Angela Kelly look good, was because it was the very first time in Harry’s life that someone had countered the RF’s “Harry is to blame for everything” narrative on behalf of Harry. And then everyone tried to make it seem like it was the most unroyal, unprecedented thing ever for Harry who had some hurt and bad feelings caused by his family to speaking about it, when the royal family is constantly excused for throwing Harry under the bus and leaking about him because “Harry made them mad and it is right and good and just that he be publicly punished for it.”

      • equality says:

        Exactly the attitude of social media commenters. “Meghan shouldn’t talk about this or that because she’s at odds with her family.” So even Tom and Samantha get a pass for talking nasty about their own flesh and blood. If they are all this rude in public, who knows how awful things were in private?

  23. Chrissy says:

    I think those who are old enough to really remember, can acknowledge that both of those boys went through great trauma. When I read articles like this, I really feel for both of them. What a painful and bizarre way to grow up. I can never take that away from them. I hope they find peace with each other one way or another.

  24. Ainsley7 says:

    I don’t really blame William for being pissed off about his mother’s interview. She was trying to win the war of the wales’ with very little thought to how it would hurt William or Harry. Not the Charles was any better. I would have been pissed off if my parents had been airing their dirty laundry of TV too.

    Club H is another thing that shouldn’t really be blamed on William. It shouldn’t have existed the way it did period. Charles is the one at fault there. It’s funny because the whole thing with Harry visiting a rehab and such was all a set up. It was done by Charles’ PR guru Mark Bolland. It was all PR to show what a hands on father Prince Charles was. If Prince Charles had been hands on then Club H would never have happened in the first place and he wouldn’t have had to hire a PR specialist to improve his image.

    William has always kind of sucked. Someone once said that William got the worst of Diana and Charles and Harry got the best. It’s pretty much the truth. However, pretending that Diana’s interview shouldn’t have upset William and blaming him for Club H is ridiculous. Diana ended up regretting the interview and Charles should have never allowed Club H to become what it was. He’s also the one who taught William to throw Harry under the bus. People like Charles and Camilla today because of his shady PR tactics. Even his authorized bio Charles at 70 took swipes at William and Harry. It’s probably why William thinks his father has lost his way. All Charles thinks about are the optics. He didn’t walk Meghan down the isle because he is a nice guy. He’s one of the people who wanted William to talk Harry out of marrying her. It’s all about the optics. He’s exactly like William except he actually cares about his causes, and is better at PR.

    • Merricat says:

      No one is pretending that Diana’s interview shouldn’t have upset William. The point is the way he reacted, in a towering rage, which is a pattern of behavior for him. The prevailing theme is that William has continued his habitual trick of blaming Harry into their adult years, and frankly, William is old enough to take responsibility for his choices, regardless of what Charles has or had not done.

      • Elle says:

        William literally laid hands on Diana – he shoved her – and nothing was done.

      • Kalana says:

        Ken Wharfe had a story in his book about William pulling a towel off Diana so that she was standing there naked in front of Wharfe. William is a creep.

    • ShazBot says:

      “He’s exactly like William except he actually cares about his causes, and is better at PR.”

      That. Exactly. Charles has some redeeming qualities in that he care about things and gets them done. And he’s also old and has been working hard and consistently for decades, so it’s easier for him to get away with his shadiness. William doesn’t have anything at all to cover up his shadiness.

      • Becks1 says:

        The “caring about causes” (whether genuine or not, he comes off like he cares) and “working hard” cover up so many faults. It’s something that William has not figured out yet.

      • equality says:

        Well, Will is getting better at the PR. Apparently his new documentary made him out to be single-handedly saving the world. He spoke a time or two about the ivory trade and a few years later, China took action. Nevermind that Charles and Harry, many other organizations, the UK government and the US government had been trying to get China to take action for years. He also apparently took credit for the United 4 Wildlife cause that he and Harry both started under the royal foundation. (I’m sure with no mention of Harry.) And don’t forget that Will now has 3 children (who he apparently showed pictures of and mentioned frequently during the documentary) that he can use for PR.

    • MsIam says:

      Interesting that you think that William shoving his mother and not speaking to her is appropriate reaction to her admitting that she was cheated on and basically gaslighted the entire marriage. I think it goes back to William being raised to believe that the heir has no limits and everything is there for his benefit. Charles was raised the same way and it’s pretty obvious by his behavior. And as far as William being shocked, didn’t Tampon tape and Squidgy tape come out before this interview? If we heard about those stories in the US then of course they were all over the U.K.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “Club H is another thing that shouldn’t really be blamed on William. It shouldn’t have existed the way it did period.”

      I think Club H was allowed to exist with Charles’ blessing as it kept his boys and their friends out of public pubs which were stalking grounds for the Tabloids (Charles and The Cherry Vodka story anyone???) . Club H kept pictures of the boys partying out of the papers until the were older and falling out of nightclubs in London.

    • Tessa says:

      So why was William not upset with his dad confessing his cheating with married Camilla? Or upset when the book by Dimbleby (based on Dimbleby’s interviews with Charles ) had Charles saying he never loved Diana. Plus the Camillagate tape. If William was upset, it will never be revealed.

  25. Mignionette says:

    They are all messhy as hell….

  26. Sara says:

    I will say this: I don’t find anything out of the ordinary about William’s reaction to his mother’s infamous interview. Put yourself in his shoes. You’re a teenager, which is not an easy time in the first place, and your mom just told the entire world about her loveless marriage with your dad and then talks about an extramarital affair she had. He was hurt and humiliated. I’d have reacted the same.

    • Merricat says:

      I think the point is not that he reacted badly, but that his reaction demonstrated a pattern of behavior, i.e., an inability to express his temper appropriately.

    • S808 says:

      I don’t blame William being upset at Diana’s interview or even for being a dumb teen especially in regards to his younger brother, but he hasn’t seemed to grow from it at ALL and probably doesn’t even see a problem with his behavior. THAT is my problem with him (and the RF for enabling him this whole time) and why I have much less sympathy for him overall.

      • Tessa says:

        I blame him if he gave his father a pass for his confession of cheating with Camilla. And treated Diana harshly. Diana was pretty much cut loose after she had the heir and spare.

    • ABritGuest says:

      I agree- I’ve always sympathised with both brothers because not only is growing up with parents feuding and playing who’s the better parent game hard generally but played out in the press is extra awful. Then add how embarrassing it must be to have news of parents affairs broadcast in the press and in papers and for Harry people speculating to this day about who your parent is.

      Then their mother dies in tragic accident and they are hauled to London to ‘mourn’ with tearful strangers. Then have to play happy families with someone who caused their mother a lot of hurt (even if as Harry said they do like Camilla and don’t see her as an evil step mum). The brothers have been through a lot and it’s been public fodder. That can’t be easy.

      Even with this current rift situation the press is all in their business (to be fair someone leaked Initial issues to the press) and speculating on whether they are speaking or not. Personalities aside even if they wanted to mend their relationship there are way too many vested interests to make that easy & to get to a place of mutual trust and respect

  27. Snuffles says:

    With each new reveal, it’s become abundantly clear why Harry left and refused to subject HIS child to this toxic family and royal institution. He has suffered SEVERE neglect and abuse his whole life from literally every angle. Why on earth would he let Archie be subjected to the same. Honestly, it’s a no brainer. The only surprise is that Harry didn’t leave sooner.

    I don’t know who was really behind Harry finally getting therapy (I highly doubt it was William at this point), but thank God that he did.

    I feel like Harry has inherited all of the positive aspects of each parent and William has inherited all of the worst. That’s why he has lost his looks and Diana has taken her thick hair back.

    If we are being honest, William is just as much in need of therapy as Harry is, but he will never do it. He’s committed to the false notion that HE is the steady, stable one and Harry is the fragile hot head.

  28. Abena Asantewaa says:

    I remember reading from a piece, Diana’s security guy: Ken Wharfe, wrote, about their nanny saying she does not like William, and that he can be devious. Apparently, Ken Wharfe says, William will hide something , and while’s everyone would be looking gor it, William will blame Harry. William was a snitch. The plane incident comes to mind. He is ptobably behind Thomas Markle’s Wedding debacle and subsequent relationship breakdown. Harry was the affable one.

  29. A says:

    I think she can be both. The dialectic is honestly what I struggle to grasp sometimes. She’s not an innocent victim in everything that’s gone down, but that doesn’t necessarily mean there haven’t been instances where she’s been victimized. The rank classism from the aristocrats, regardless of the craven social climbing, is one example of that. That being said, to say that she’s somehow not responsible for any of the choices she’s made in her life isn’t right either. She had two decades to change her mind–she can still change her mind if she so chose. The choices she’s making now speak most clearly about the sort of person she is, and that’s what we should look at.

    • Sofia says:

      +1. Like you said, I do feel bad of the classism and general behaviour she receives by the aristos and I don’t think she’s ever had a chance to have an actual /life/ outside of William thanks to her mother but this absolutely DOES NOT absolve her of everything.

  30. A says:

    I mean, we’ve all known this on some level. I just want to say though, the fact that Charles couldn’t even muster up the time to take his own son, struggling with what he figured was an unhealthy dependence on marijuana, to that rehab center, is just…I mean, we all knew he was a distant and awkward parent. But you see your sons struggling in this way, and your response is to not step up for them personally? REALLY?

  31. Mooshe1 says:

    This kind of stuff I can believe, and not just because it makes Wills look like trash. The main reason is because it’s just cut and dried events using names. Not discussing a bunch of internal feelings that are hearsay. The DM is obviously disappointed that this wasn’t a drag Harry and Meghan book, it was a drag them all, lol.

  32. M.A.F. says:

    Nah. The blame, the majority of it, falls to Diana and Charles. THEY were the parents and THEY BOTH neglected their children. William has these “rages”? Yes, that is concerning but where were the parents to teach him how to redirect it? Harry is an impressionable child (what younger sibling isn’t?) but yet it’s William’s fault? Diana and Charles both used the press and put the boys in the middle and this is what happens.

    • Chrissy says:

      This is 100 percent the truth. Diana and Charles our themselves ahead of their children at every turn.

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      The point is the behavior continues. We can’t blame our parents our whole life for our adult behaviors. William continued to behave in the same way and use his position in the family to harm his brother, which led to their current status. I hope that’s the point of going back and laying the foundation in order to explain their present relationship.

      • Kalana says:

        What happened to those boys wasn’t right or fair but taking care of yourself and being responsible means doing the work to get better even though the problem was created by other people. They are grown men now and responsible for using their resources to work on themselves. Meghan is a good example of doing this because she’s lived her own version of it.

    • Tessa says:

      William had a choice. He could have gotten an attitude adjustment and not started to throw his weight around> I think he has anger issues. He’s pushing 40 and can’t blame his own bad traits on Mom and Dad. I think he is awful to Harry and Meghan. And even Archie. I feel sorry for his children.

  33. Capepopsie says:

    I’m sure Harry’s had his heart broken so many times in the past by William and that the decision of leaving gradually grew in his mind. Obviously it was painful for him, but necessary. I’m SO happy for him that he found Meghan and that they left this disgusting family mess behind them and started a new life abroad! I wish them the best!

  34. Jelly says:

    Charles was responsible for raising his kids. While the narrative is to bash William at two years older than Harry he was not responsible for parenting Harry… the money for the access to drugs and booze didn’t flow thru William. Also while William doesn’t look great, how is it flattering to Harry to be portrayed as a perpetual wounded child. Both of them lost their mother, both handled it differently. I had the same dynamic in my own family. To this day my sibling who had an outwardly tougher time is still coddled. It burns.

    • A says:

      @Jelly, you’re absolutely right. I think that William carries a great deal of resentment towards many people in his life. The royal family in general, the tabloid press, his father, the memory of his mother, and Harry as well. Grown ups in his life expected him to shoulder burdens that they themselves were unwilling, or unable, to shoulder. He has been let down a lot in his life by the adults around him, and that is not his fault at all.

      I think William has a clearer insight than most others do of the realities of the royal family. But he doesn’t choose to speak up about it, because I think it serves him just fine to keep quiet, as the rewards have now started to outweigh to problems. From his point of view, he has a plum deal, which he has “earned” from the royal family, because of all the shit he feels he’s put up from them and because of them. But Harry was not a grown up, and he was not responsible for the ways in which William was let down. To expect Harry to sacrifice his well-being to prop up William is a bridge too far, and that’s where William’s resentment became a profound miscalculation that’s ruptured in the way we see today.

  35. Liz version 700 says:

    The more I hear about William the more I feel like I am watching an episode of “Evil Lives Here.” He isn’t a murderer of course, but his behavior is borderline sociopathic. So glad Harry got far away from this family. The pettiness of this family. I saw some article yesterday that said in the headline….”Meghan and a Harry May be Successful in The US Because Americans are easier to Please.” WTF

    • Enny says:

      I don’t mind this, as an American. I think in this instance we ARE easier to please. Sure, in our own way we have always placed the bar higher for certain segments of the population, and I’m not minimizing that, or pretending that America is any kind of true meritocracy. But compared to the UK, in America, you want to work hard? Raise your family? Contribute to your community? Raise awareness of important causes and do good work that helps and inspires people? Well, that’s fantastic. We do have certain unfortunate gatekeepers, but the Turnip Toff set is not one of them. We are slightly fascinated by royalty, but generally not overly impressed by it. In America, you need to do the work. If you do, and do it well, it doesn’t matter if your mother was, say, a flight attendant, or a yoga instructor, or a Deal or No Deal briefcase girl. In fact, we love those kinds of stories. Most of the time. Hopefully, our collective pride will start embracing even more diverse origin stories, but people like Meghan and Harry can only help. Personally, I get a kick out of the idea of a “rogue” British prince becoming a Made in America story… :)

    • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

      William reminds me of Homelander from The Boys. I think there are many identical pieces.

  36. Lizzie says:

    William was clearly taught to do as he pleased and blame his brother and it’s approved by everyone. No one expects him to have parented Harry but Harry’s actual parent should have been around and stepped in.
    I am so happy Harry is away from that situation. I think the queen did him a huge favor by not accepting the half in deal. Time and distance from his family are just what he needs. I really hope he and Meghan have a long and loving marriage. Harry deserves a happily ever after.

  37. Annie says:

    If regular men have out of control egos, imagine a man who knows he’s going to be a King. Imagine a royal Prince who’s next in line. Please. It’s a miracle anyone can stand being near William. I don’t think a life of luxury is worth any of this. William wanted to control Harry for the rest of his life, just like the Queen controlled her sister her entire life too, and her son Charles. This is why I do have some sympathy for Prince Charles. None for William though. He’s so much like his grandma. He can’t stand it when someone is more popular and attractive. Harry began to steal the spotlight a while ago because he reformed himself and proved himself to be a charismatic, cool guy who just needed to grow up a little.

    I think their problem with Meghan is that she showed Harry his own potential and everything he could do without this family. Do you think she wanted this vapid, meaningless life of no freedom and deep emptiness? Doing state events and nothing more? Dressing matronly and older as to not upstage Kate, always walking behind them, being ignored. Not worth it AT ALL. Meghan was Harry’s Knight in Shining Armor. In this fairy tale, a woman rescued the Prince and they can’t forgive her for that but Harry needed real love and friends a long time ago. He’s way overdue.

    • equality says:

      That’s why it always annoys me when people want to claim Meghan is a narcissist. What says narcissist more than thinking your blood is special and that people should bow down to you?

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Could not agree more. The royal family has no room to accuse anyone of being narcissistic. They literally invaded the world!?!? William is a troll but he is the troll he was raised to be.

  38. Mariane says:

    When the reporters were more honest they used to say that harry smoked Williams stash when he went to a gap year. Charl3s used this to fix his image and suddenly he was being portrayed as a loving father dealing with a son fighting addiction even though it was a party by William’s friends and they bragged about how they do this in Eton. Similar with the nazi costume, Billy’s blackface pictures was scrubbed from the internet along with keen Kate’s dorm room wallpaper of prince William.

    • Daisy Mai says:

      Yep, they all did some crap and nobody is without guilt. And that pics were removed from the internet is one of the most important pieces of information when talking about Royals. They have certain powers and they are all about looks and appearances as I wrote below #39. And lets keep to mention their deeds frequently so that they may be widely known and used to judge the royals. Truth simply is an important weapon against abuse of power which the high and mightly like to commit :D .

  39. BnLurkN4eva says:

    I don’t idolize H/M and the rest of the internet certainly doesn’t, so it’s not necessary to start off by acting like these two are generally idolized, they are not far from it. They are given a break here at this one site whereas elsewhere they are torn to shred. If you would like to see them dismembered go anywhere else on the net and there you’ll find it.

    What Harry did re the Nazi gear was reprehensible and everyone who is a decent human being acknowledges that. He also apologized and have seemed to learn from that massive error and is attempting to use his incredible platform to do what is right. That is literally all we can hope for from someone like that. The fact that this man who once did something so racist later married a part black woman and had a part black child who has been viciously racially abused might even be his Karma. We’ve seen him stand by his family instead of taking the easy way out, which would have been to stand by his racist family and have her run away from them and him with their child, problem solved for him. That’s why people like him and them, he’s living his evolving beliefs if only more people would.

    • Julia K. says:

      Had to leave a site due to the toxic, irrational hatred of a women who had done them no harm. Lots of haters out there. Meghan has made errors in judgement and has made decisions not in her best interest at times, as have we all. There is no excuse for the horrid way in which many attempt to destroy her. Why do people feel so threatened by her that her husband took her and baby and left the country?

  40. Summer says:

    Where in the book did it say that William chose the Nazi outfit? This false reporting

  41. Donna says:

    I kid you not. Today is October 7, 2020. I just read an article (i think from the daily mail) about Camille stating how William has a terrible temper. Camille stated William was always yelling at Charles & Charles just stood by submitting & meekly took it. I’ve seen old videos of when these two were little boys & william was always dismissive of Harry, acting as though there was something wrong with Harry, when it has been him the whole time. See blame KP, the QE’s mother, & QE herself for encouraging this snobby, arrogant, narcissist behavior in William.

  42. Marivic says:

    Why can’t William be happy for his brother ? He’s all about himself. He was never a giver and was always a taker. That is why even if he’s the future king he’s still hasn’t found his happiness. I think this is also how he treats his wife Kate. Look at her.. it shows in her face. She looks so agonized and anguished. Good his brother found a way out. Not sure about Kate. William keeps calling his brother’s wife a narcissist. But isn’t he the real narcissist ? He’s just projecting.