The Windsors are pulling out all the stops to trash ‘The Crown’ season 4

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One could argue – as I have – that the first two seasons of The Crown likely helped the Windsor family. The dramatization helped introduce the 20th century history of Queen Elizabeth to a younger audience. Of course it mattered that The Crown got some of the history wrong, but what was worse is that the show generally got the broad strokes right – the Queen as a distant, tone-deaf figure scared to stand up to her husband about the way he bullies and emotionally abuses their children. The Queen as a deeply uneducated woman who cannot stand up to her own staff. Philip as a serial womanizer, Margaret as a charismatic figure who was broken by the men in grey and by her sister’s jealousy. And on and on.

So, as The Crown’s Season 4 delves into the late 1970s and 1980s – the Thatcher Years – one would expect the same thing, that while The Crown isn’t so focused on a documentary-style dramatization of everything that really happened, they’re getting the broad strokes right: the establishment around the monarchy tried to destroy Diana and she found a way to survive and thrive… until she didn’t. Charles was a lousy husband who never really loved her. The Queen was deeply unsettled by Diana’s popularity. And on and on. Well, all of that kind of destroys several revisionist history campaigns waged by the various royal courts. And here we are, with Emily Andrews at the Mail making it explicit that the royal “never complain, never explain” motto is being thrown out of the window, as the royals are arranging a full slate of Crown-deniers to run around and call out The Crown.

Hmm: In a series of highly unusual public interventions that demonstrates the depth of concern at the very top of the Royal Family, Palace insiders have lined up to slate the Netflix show. ‘This is drama and entertainment for commercial ends being made with no regard to the actual people involved who are having their lives hijacked and exploited,’ said one insider. ‘In this case, it’s dragging up things that happened during very difficult times 25 or 30 years ago without a thought for anyone’s feelings. That isn’t right or fair, particularly when so many of the things being depicted don’t represent the truth.’

The Only Way Is Essex? ‘The new series paints the Prince and Duchess in a very unflattering light but at least at the start of reality shows like The Only Way Is Essex they admit that some scenes have been invented for entertainment,’ a Palace source said. ‘There is no sense of telling carefully nuanced stories – it’s all very two-dimensional. This is trolling with a Hollywood budget. The public shouldn’t be fooled into thinking this is an accurate portrayal of what really happened.’

William doesn’t like it: ‘The Duke of Cambridge is none too pleased with it. He feels that both his parents are being exploited and being presented in a false, simplistic way to make money,’ the source said.

People are so mad about Harry & Meghan: ‘There are raised eyebrows about Harry taking millions from the company that’s behind all this,’ said an insider. ‘After all where do much of Netflix’s profits come from? The Crown.’

The Queen is super-mad: Until now, the Royal Family has refused to comment on The Crown. However, The Mail on Sunday understands that the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh were angry with previous series. Philip was shown having an affair with a ballerina during the second series and, in the third, ignoring his mother, Princess Alice, when she came to live at Buckingham Palace in 1967. Neither happened.

Feelings are still raw around Diana: One Palace source accused Netflix of failing to realise that there are still scars from Charles and Diana’s bitter split. ‘These events are not the history of 100 or even 50 years ago. The pain is still raw and not enough time has elapsed,’ the insider said. ‘Fiction becomes more attractive than fact and to dramatise these painful events of marriage breakdowns and children upset is very insensitive.’

[From The Mail]

The palace and the Mail also lined up some royal commentator experts to go on the record about how terrible The Crown is, including Sally Beddell Smith, who accused Peter Morgan of being “almost Trumpian in his alternative facts.” As for this – “These events are not the history of 100 or even 50 years ago…” Charles and Diana’s courtship began around 42 years ago. It’s a living history, especially given the interest in C&D’s sons still, to this day, but the problem isn’t that enough time has not passed. It was that Charles and the establishment were in cahoots to destroy a very young woman. Charles and his allies in the media always did this to Diana when she was alive too, they would run to the Mail, the Telegraph, the Express and they would gaslight her and call her crazy and deny the things they had done.

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  1. Smalltown Girl says:

    I mean I am not surprised that the family hates this season. They all come off as awful, except maybe Anne (who I enjoyed most when she was pointing out how terrible everyone else is 😂) and I commented to my husband that this is how you undo 20+ years of careful image rehabilitation in 10 hours. Charles comes off as a petulant, bratty child who valued his own happiness above literally anything else and willfully destroyed a young woman as part of his quest for that happiness.

    • MsDiMeanOur says:

      seasons 1 & 2 were watchable… i couldnt get past episode 3 of season 3.

    • Eleonora says:

      The most annoying thing was his reaction to Diana hugging a child with AIDS.

      Diana freely touching people with AIDS was huge in destroying the stigma around touching people with AIDS. It was also a big thing she didn’t wear gloves whenever she visited a clinic. There are clips on youtube about it too. Using your power and influence for good.

      Yet, he made it all about him somehow, which is crazy.

      • That was a good play and I liked how they treated her bulemia issues. However, my fav scene was Andrew’s meltdown over his mother’s battle with Thatcher over Apartheid blowing his very important wedding off the front pages. This is a family with a verrrrrry long history of I, Me, Me, Mine behavior. I also especially liked how they showed the family calling out Diana’s adultery. This coming from Phillip, Margaret, Anne, and Charles was hysterical…. The entire family all come off looking like a bunch of narcissistic, emotionally anal twats! Also, several bios have referenced that Charles slept with several other women during his marriage to Diana…thus, cheating on his ‘love of his life’ mistress as well as his wife. The Firm has spent the last 30-40 years trying to clean their mess up and here it comes again. 💃🏻 But then, I thought that before Season 1, Episode 1….. watching the Crown is just gravy. As Forrest Gump said, “Stupid is as Stupid does.”

      • Jaded says:

        @Lowcountry Lady – Yes, Charles had a long affair with Lady Dale Tryon, and Australian fashion designer and quite a colourful character in her day. She ended trying to commit suicide by jumping out a window while she was struggling with a recurrence of childhood spina bifida and cancer of the uterus. Her husband Lord Tryon then decided to divorce her and her health deteriorated (due in part to an addiction to pail killers and alcohol) and died in 1997. She and Camilla hated each other but Diana and Dale actually developed a friendship, probably build on the foundation of mutual disdain for Camilla.

      • Ashley says:

        After watching Season 4 I hope Charles dies never having sat upon the throne and I hope England becomes a republic when the cold one dies. That season just made it all the more obvious that those people suck. When Thatcher is at Balmoral and you can see just how useless, out of touch, dull and idiotic they all are. Seriously get rid of them. And I don’t agree with the poster about Anne. Anne was crying about Diana getting better press than her. Probably because Anne is such a b-tch? Just a thought but that pinched little “I just smelled poop” expression she wears constantly doesn’t help. They are all a bunch of dumb twats. I hope the British public watches this and sees how enormously vile they all are. Diana was failed by them. It’s a travesty that she was killed and Charles is here to grin and trot his mistress around. I didn’t care about Charles before this series, I vaguely knew what he did but this series really drove it home. From now on I will actively hate that troll of a man. He should have been happy with season 3, it made people emphatic towards him. Season 4 killed all of that. Screw him and Camilla. I don’t want to hear any positives about her. She had a hand in destroying Diana as well. And was a willing participant.

      • Bev says:

        Isn’t this how William has been acting with Harry and Meghan. Whatever they do however consequential or worthy is always brought down to William’s incandescent rage about it. Interesting how the evil remains in the family generation after generation.

    • AnnaKist says:

      I haven’t seen any episodes of The Crown (I know, I know), but your last sentence reminded me of an old lady I met, 20 or so years ago. We were in New Zealand, where my husband was from. We’d been invited to his late father’s sister’s house that had just been built. House? More like a small palace. Loads of people were there: my late hubby was one of those men that women adored, and men wanted to hang out with, so when they knew we, I mean, he, was in the country, they came from far and wide. Anyway, at one point, an old lady appeared from a far door. She looked a bit bewildered, so I strolled over and introduced myself. I led her over to the big table, settled her and got het a cup of tea. She stayed there for a couple of hours, not saying much, but smiling when someone said something funny. Before disappearing through that door, she came and thanked me for being so kind. Aunty took her through the door.

      Later, I said to aunty and hubby that the lady seemed fragile, and kind of “lost”. Aunty then told me that she and “The Duchess” had been friends since childhood. And that she’d never been the same since Philip broke her heart. Philip. As in Prince Philip. The current Duke of Edinburgh. That’s why they called her The Duchess. She was old, but it was obvious she took good care of herself. Apparently, she was a stunning, vivacious singer and dancer when she met and fell in love with him. He had his way with her, then unceremoniously dumped her and sailed back to Lizzie. If the story is true, and I can’t imagine a woman of substance such as Aunty was making up such things, then Charles’ treatment of Diana is history repeating itself.
      I think the BRF is useless.

      • SofiasSideEye says:

        Very interesting, AnnaKist, thanks for sharing. I wish you’d been able to get a little gossip circle going that day! How sad for her that she’d never been the same after Phillip. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that old Phil treated her so disrespectfully. I guess Charles is more like his dad than I thought.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        PP is famous for saying that ” One ‘dallies’ with “women like that” (actresses, dancers, etc), One doesn’t marry them.”

        So yeah…can TOTALLY see PP doing something so callous and selfish.

      • superashes says:

        How awful. Watching Harry go through the process of separation from the BRF reminds me so much of my own journey to mental health, and how part of that requires you to sever certain familial ties. I think Meghan and Harry are inspiring, really, and stories like this just show you how ingrained some of that awfulness really is with that family, and how hard it must be to slowly come to grips with being gaslit and breaking away in such a public fashion.

      • I had a good friend who grew up in British Guiana. Her father was high up in the government there when Phillip came through on his royal tours. She said her father told her it was well known in the Commonwealth countries that Phillip expected to get some ‘strange, exotic nooky’ whenever he solo-toured the countries. My friend — a strong, beautiful black women — said that this really angered men like her father and made them feel like pimps, but they had to play the game for the sake of diplomatic relations. All very hush, hush.

    • Enny says:

      Why do I get the feeling that Anne probably does Netflix and chill, rolling her eyes and cackling with glee that her waste of space siblings are getting skewered again?

      • Eleonora says:

        Yes, at least Anne has always been hardworking. Doesn’t seem as spoiled as the others too

      • Gail says:

        🤣🤣🤣Because she probably is . 😂😂. This is not exploitation of the royal family. It’s the truth or very close to it . That destroyed Diana, the same way willy and Kate are now trying to destroy Harry and Megan. So if willy and the rest of them are upset, too damm bad . What goes around comes around. Willy is probably on the floor with Charles, Kate and Camila throwing a massive temper tantrum. I want to be king, I want to be king. We did so much to get rid of Harry and Megan and look what these mean mean people are doing to us . 😂😂😂😂😂

      • Gail says:

        🤣🤣🤣Because she probably is . 😂😂. This is not exploitation of the royal family. It’s the truth or very close to it . That destroyed Diana, the same way willy and Kate are now trying to destroy Harry and Megan. So if willy and the rest of them are upset, too damm bad . What goes around comes around. Willy is probably on the floor with Charles, Kate and Camila throwing a massive temper tantrum. I want to be king, I want to be king. We did so much to get rid of Harry and Megan and look what these mean mean people are doing to us . 😂😂😂😂😂

    • February-Pisces says:

      I’m so glad that Anne got a lot more screen time, I thought she might get pushed to the back with Diana’s arrival. The actress who plays her did an amazing job.

    • Deneph says:

      “this is how you undo 20+ years of careful image rehabilitation in 10 hours.”
      This is what they’re really’ angry about. They had managed to it behind them and enough time has passed that the anger the public felt had dissipated. They really didn’t want this low point dredged up again reminding everyone.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yup, exactly. They’re not mad about inaccuracies etc – of course there is always some liberty with shows like this – they’re mad because this has just undone all of Charles’ PR for the past few decades. Everything else aside – the inaccuracies, Diana’s flaws – the basic fact remains that Charles married a barely 20 year old woman who was very sheltered and naïve and he treated her like shit from the beginning.

      • windyriver says:

        Well, they set themselves up for this over the last 3 or 4 years by treating Meghan in a way so reminiscent of how Diana was treated. Thus, they had already resurrected the ghost of Diana themselves. The parallel has been pretty obvious, and they clearly seemed to have learned nothing 20+ years later.

        Harry himself remarked on this when he talked about why they were leaving – he didn’t want to see his wife continue to be treated, and suffer because of it, the way his mother had been.

        Had they treated Meghan with the respect and appreciation she deserved, they might have been able to make a better case that events pictured in the Crown were in the distant past, not reflective of where things are today.

        Instead, whether or not everything portrayed in the Crown is completely accurate, the basic facts are true – and the way Meghan was treated makes it easier to believe everything negative about how the Firm is pictured behaving towards Diana.

      • Absolutely Deneen and Becks1. Totally agree. They sure had their ‘Never Explain, Never Complain’ mantra out for Harry and Meghan, but oh the endless whining and name-calling when the spotlight is on any of them.

      • Anners says:

        Yep – “it’s the pig that’s bit that squeals”

      • cc says:

        What amuses me at this point, is they had all this good will from Harry and Meghan wedding, Charles especially, and he and they pissed on all of this because of jealousy.

        I don’t think it would have hit so hard, if they and Charles had not used and abused Meghan to such a disgusting extent.

      • A says:

        @Deneph, in the immortal words of Captain Ray Holt: “You embarrassed YOURSELF in front of Derek Jeter.”

        Yourself being Charles, and Derek Jeter being the rest of the world who watched and are fully knowledgeable about his caddish behaviour towards Diana.

    • Anne Call says:

      Hoping that Peter Morgan does a similar “The Trumps” mini series. Would be very entertaining.

    • PrincessK says:

      I don’t think that the Windsor’s are making that much fuss. The tabloids are exaggerating it all for click bait and an opportunity to drag Harry and Meghan into the story. All of this great free publicity for Netflix and so no, the royals will not kick up enormous fuss over it and create even more interest. But on the other hand it all still adds up to the Windsor’s maintaining their position as the world’s most famous royal family ever, which counts in their interest.

  2. Sarah says:

    Yes, talking about it loads will definitely stop people tuning in… Seriously, these people know NOTHING.

    I’m still on season 2 and need to find a way of getting my boyfriend out of the living room of an evening so I can make more progress. Stupid lockdown! I can’t wait to watch this.

    • Eleonora says:

      Just watch it. He can watch too if he likes or do something else.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      They don’t know when to stop, do they. The faux ‘outrage’, the planting of stories, and the dirtying of H and M has actually given the programme so much publicity. Karma at it’s finest. They are not netflixing and chilling. They are incandescent (ing) and raging.

      • Enny says:

        @Elizabeth Regina, it’s true, and I think it must be so EXHAUSTING to be always so incandescent with rage over the most insignificant things. Seriously. They’re the royal family. It might not mean that much in practice these days, but historically, this family is a big deal. Do they really have NOTHING better to do? Imagine if they re-channeled all this energy and incandescence into…charity? Raising awareness for important causes? Instead, they’re just calling attention to a silly streaming show and, in doing so, their own massive insecurities and failings as people.

      • Emm says:

        @enny- gosh, I think about the MAGAts and dump in the same exact way. Why do you like being so full or anger and rage all the time? It’s because they are all selfish people only thinking about themselves. If they actually did anything for others or cared about anything else they might fill some of that void in their lives. It’s well documented that charity is much more fulfilling and makes you a happier person than only looking out for yourself or being handed everything. Look at the orange one himself, he’s been given everything, had a charmed life yet he is one of the most hateful, ugly, rage filled people I have seen in my life. My father in law who is a worshiper comes a close second.

      • ShazBot says:

        @Enny if there’s one thing the show highlights, it’s that they don’t, in fact, have anything better to do.

    • Seraphina says:

      Wait, it just downed on me, doesn’t the BRF (insert an A and you spell BARF – hmmm) have a policy about not speaking out as far as news and comments and such???? Isn’t that why Meghan had to keep quiet????? So now THEY (BARF) are vocal about season 4. That’s hilarious.

      • Enny says:

        Yes indeed. Imagine being told that you must silently seethe after the media compares your newborn son to a chimpanzee because it is not “the done thing” to complain, then having to watch these dim incandescent bulbs lose their literal $hit over a highly stylized, clearly non-documentary streaming show, on a platform they previously dismissed as insignificant when you started working with them, only to make that previously insignificant working relationship THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING IN ALL HISTORY simply because their wittle bitty feelings were HURT, I tell ya – HURT! – because it showed that maybe, just maybe, someone somewhere doesn’t think that they are THE MOST AWESOME BEINGS TO EVER WALK THE PLANET! 🤦🏼‍♀️

      • lanne says:

        They rage about everything non Meghan related. They get upset if someone writes that Kate uses hair extensions, but they are SILENT when Meghan is racially abused.

    • Well, Sarah, this is the family that thought kicking Harry to the curb would silence them and that everyone would loose interest. Also, members of the family are on record of loving at least the first 2 seasons ……🤷🏻‍♀️

  3. Belli says:

    The Firm doth protest too much methinks…

    The royals spent YEARS rehabilitating the images of Charles, Camilla and the Queen after Diana died. It wasn’t that long ago that they managed to push their horrible treatment of Diana far enough into the into the past for the public to be neutral enough that Charles marrying Camilla wasn’t a huge scandal.

    No wonder they’re not happy about people being reminded all over again how terribly she was treated. It’s undoing all that effort they put in.

    • Darla says:

      His marrying Camilla was a huge scandal to me. I’m very petty that way.

      • Seraphina says:

        Me too Darla. It looks messy no matter how you look at it.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        and there is camilla, proud like the cat that caught the pigeon.

      • A says:

        I was very young when that happened, so I didn’t understand wtf was going on, or why my dad, in particular, was so annoyed and snarky about it. He still hates Charles and Camilla, and it’s hilarious because 1) he doesn’t care about gossip at all, and 2) even my mom is somewhat more sympathetic to the two of them, though you’d think it’d be the opposite.

        But both of them are of Charles and Diana’s generation. They got married around the same time, and they were there for the whole start, middle and finish of the fiasco. My dad cannot abide by the fact that Charles cheated on his wife. He can’t stand the fact that he got to marry his mistress at the end of the day, while Diana passed away so tragically. There’s a fundamental unfairness about the whole fucking situation, all of it, that people are acutely aware of, which is what none of the people over at the palace seem to get.

        The whole narrative is set up to make Charles the bad guy–because he really did fucking act like one. He tried to use the full weight of the institution he knew he had at his back to press on a nineteen year old, who he expected to buckle, but didn’t, and neither he nor his family have ever gotten over that fundamental fact. He expected to win, the royals expected to win, they expected the married-in to quietly walk away, humiliated, because it has never been any other way for these people. And they cannot STAND the fact that they lost, and not only that, lost so embarrassingly that it still haunts them to this day, as it fucking should. They can’t get around the fact that they were not owed instant respect and adulation by way of their status, like they think they should be, and that Diana, who is not a royal (although still an aristocrat), who was not a public figure, was so beloved, and remains that way to this day.

        The institution is far more scarred by the Charles-Diana stuff than most people realize. It has changed the way they function, but not in the ways it should have changed it, but in all the worst ways possible. Instead of treating people better, they just decided the solution is for their heirs to find amenable individuals to marry, who will subsume their whole sense of self and self-worth to the institution completely. Kate fit that bill to a t, so she gets treated marginally better, even though they still kick her in the teeth every once in a while to remind her of her place. Meghan did not, and whatever efforts she made in that vein were not appreciated or accepted, because the people who run the show understood that they had so much more to gain from turning her away and chasing her out–they just never expected her and Harry to actually go. They fully expected them to subject themselves to that hatred day in and day out, while still remaining within the fold. So they can’t stand, again, that their efforts were thwarted in this. They can’t stand that any one would turn them away, turn their power away, stand up to them when they try to pull the strings, and they will punish anyone who tries to do that.

      • PrincessK says:

        He had no choice but to marry her.

    • Myra says:

      Never complain, never explain until it is about them. Then it’s a whole lot of complaining that even persuaded me to binge watch The Crown as soon as it came out.

    • HayGrl says:

      Diana was practically an abuducted child bride…no better than 1500s breeding queens. This shed an whole new light on the manipulations of the Windsor clan…

      • ItReallyIsYou,NotMe k8 says:

        I thought Margaret Thatcher’s dialogue in season 4, episode 2 where she talks about the BRF not being cultured or elegant and not being able to find any redeeming qualities in them was very telling. I never cared about abolishing the monarchy either way (I also don’t pay taxes toward it) but it makes me think about the Tudor era and how bad it would be if the fate of the entire country still rested on the whims of 1 or 2 people such as Elizabeth and Philip.

      • ThatsNotOkay says:

        A teenager at that, marrying a 30+ year old who immediately proceeds to gaslight her then wonder why she suffered from depression and other afflictions. If this marriage were happening now, we’d be up in arms and disgusted that the Royal family was preying on a teen. I will keep saying it: Diana’s story is a #Metoo story. F that family.

      • Mignionette says:

        @ThisIsNotOkay ;

        “I will keep saying it: Diana’s story is a #Metoo story. F that family.”

        ^^This is what worries Charles the most. When you look at that marriage through the lense of 2020, he’s just a nasty man preying on a young woman barely emerging from her childhood.

        Dredging up Diana is the BRF nightmare, It reminds us of just how barbaric, calculating and evil they were in hunting down Diana as a brood mare purely for reproductive purposes to secure an heir.

      • TeamMeg says:

        All of this.

      • PrincessK says:

        An abducted child bride , now that is a new description for Diana.

  4. Snuffles says:

    Quiet when the series made them sympathetic but suddenly “complaining and explaining” when it makes them look bad. They can’t have it both ways.

    Also totally pathetic excuse to beat at Harry and Meghan’s Netflix deal that they are still viciously bitter about. And the NERVE of them trying to claim that the majority of Netflix’s success is down to them! They truly do try to take credit for everything that are only tangentially related to them.

    The monarchy’s downfall can’t come fast enough for me.

    • Eleonora says:

      I can’t even say who I found least sympathetic this season.

      Charles probably. Margaret too and the younger guys (Andrew and Edward) had less screentime, but were also unsympathetic af

      • Myra says:

        Definitely Charles as he was not only portrayed as emotionally distant but also abusive, jealous and vindictive. The worse for me was that he was shown as being an absentee father who left his kids just to be with his mistress.

        Andrew’s depravity is hinted though with that sickening story he tells his mummy.

        Margaret comes off as bitter but you still feel somewhat sorry for her as if she had been dealt a wrong hand.

      • Becks1 says:

        Margaret comes across as bitter and obsessed with royal hierarchy/titles/protocol (the curtsy scene where she is so pissed about being interrupted) – but it also makes sense because by that point that was really all she had.

      • A says:

        @Becks1, Margaret is the end result of the full weight of the royal institution at work. She was a lively, intelligent, vivacious individual, whose worst weaknesses were preyed upon (her insecurities, her affinity for her rank/title and the trappings that came with those things) to brow-beat her into submission.

        People say that she made the decision to not marry Peter Townsend, and while that’s probably true, they’re forgetting the fact that 1) she was not that old when that happened, and 2) surrounded by family who were more invested in ensuring that she didn’t go through with this marriage, all things considered. If they had supported her–really supported her–she would not have found things like money and status to be an issue. If anyone in that crowd had cared to nurture Princess Margaret’s sense of self-worth, on any real level, she would have been a very happy person in her life. But the royals had nothing to gain from building Margaret up. So they did what they did, and they had essentially half a person, just as they wanted.

      • Becks1 says:

        @A – agree completely. The Townsend thing – yes, she made the choice, but I feel like it wasn’t a real choice, because of the environment in which she was raised. Like you said, the royals had nothing to gain from Margaret being a whole person, who was happy and successful (however success looked to her.) And its even sadder when we look at the royal family today and realize they really haven’t learned anything about how to deal with “the spare”.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Harry and Meghan are Schrodinger royals. They are not credited when they do something good and are bashed for others’ failures. I think they will be fine. They will forever be punished for escaping that cesspool but they are also being envied for finding the courage to escape. As Harry said, it’s may not be the ‘safe’ option but in the long term it’s the best one.

    • Che says:

      Snuffles – Colonizers can’t help taking shit. It’s what they do. First it was land and people, now it’s Netflix. Peacock is next!

    • SofiasSideEye says:

      Their taking credit for most of Netflix’s success reads as very trumpian to me. I actually laughed. The nerve.

  5. Scorpion says:

    Lmao, I’m currently watching Season 4. I would be worried if I was them, no one is looking good in this shit show. They are a deeply dysfunctional that need to be shown the door when Betty drops.

    • Becks1 says:

      That was one of my first comments as I was watching – holy hell this family is messed up and dysfunctional. This just completely seals it for me.

    • Eleonora says:

      The only one I felt sympathy for, apart from Diana, is Thatcher’s daughter and the working class people in the 80s

    • sunny says:

      This family is so trash! I just started season 4(2 episodes in) but it could be so much worse for Charles. I mean, when he is fishing “with friends” when he gets the news about his uncle, in real life he was at the lodge of Lord Tyron who the rumour was he had an affair with at the time and for years….
      The whole family was truly terrible to Diana and hilariously they can never escape that legacy because these people never learn shit.

      • Mignionette says:

        @sunny yep Charles was having an affair with Both Camilla and Lady Tyron throughout his marriage to Diana and would switch from one to the next depending on who was pregnant at the time.

  6. Chrissy says:

    I mean I get it. I don’t even want to watch it. I feel like the Diana thing is too recent and too raw. This must be very difficult for the boys. I actually feel bad for all of them in this scenario. I am often quite hard ion the royal family. It was all just so unbelievably tragic and it all could easily have been avoided .

    • Seraphina says:

      Unfortunately, their status and entitlement make them fair game to have the spotlight put on them. Prince Phillip opened the doors with the documentary he agreed to years ago (I read that was true and it was later banned to be aired again by Petty Betty). Regardless, when you syphon from the public, one gets put under the microscope – add to that the toxicity of the family – and you have a best seller. They have learned nothing from their past actions.

      • booboocita says:

        “They have learned nothing from their past actions” is a recurring theme with this family. Deny Margaret her true love (and while I have my doubts as to whether a Townsend marriage would have lasted, at least it would have been her choice), then deny Charles the woman he wanted and force him into a loveless marriage (not that his refusal to drop his mistress and his nastiness to his young, hapless wife helped there), and now mistreat the wife of the present spare. Kate hasn’t been treated well by her husband, but she’s so compliant that I doubt it matters much. If there’s a PR misstep to be made, this family will make it — over, and over, and over …

      • A says:

        @booboocita, her marriage to Townsend may not have lasted, but it didn’t need to. Her feeling empowered enough to marry Townsend at all, in spite of his lack of title and money, would have been a significant difference in Margaret’s life. It would have meant that she was a person who was confident in her sense of self. She did not have that confidence, and never developed it, because her family and the institution never allowed her to do so, which is the real tragedy.

  7. Digital Unicorn says:

    Of course they hate it, of course Chuck doesn’t want it dragged up again after all the effort that went into damage control after the divorce, her death and his remarriage. However, this is NOT the first movie/TV series made about it so am sure they are good at ignoring it – this is just another ham fisted attempted to smear the Sussex’s because someone is ‘incandescent’ over the deal they have with Netflix and are making their own money.

    They all knew this was coming.

    • Snuffles says:

      I’m sure The Sussex’s Netflix deal has a lot to do with the saltiness but this series is different than other dramatizations. It’s critically acclaimed and award winning and more in depth than most. And has a MUCH larger INTERNATIONAL audience.

      Maybe others can name other movies and series about them but from where I’m sitting, most didn’t do well, or were just campy satire.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        I have to admit I haven’t watched it but from what I can tell the writers have been going into for the kill and are not afraid of pulling punches, particularly with this series – I read that its some hard core trolling esp with Andrew in one episode.

      • Eleonora says:

        I finished the series yesterday, and there is definitely Andrew trolling, haha.

        Charles’s best moment is Andrew trolling too.

      • And top knotch have acting!

      • Nic919 says:

        This will hit award season. I strongly suspect the actors who play Charles and Diana will be getting a lot of media attention.

  8. Dalloway says:

    As a millennial I was too young for the courtship. I remember Diana’s funeral vividly, but the events of this season happened before I was born. As a result I kind of stopped being mad at Charles and allowed him to rehabilitate himself. No more! I’m on episode 8 and infuriated.

    When you compare episode 6 in Australia to Harry and Meghan’s Oceanic Tour, my God, these people learn NOTHING from the past.

    As Menzie’s Philip says in Ep 4 to the Queen ”your complete lack of self-knowledge is staggering.”

  9. Naomi says:

    I get that everyone everyone is flawed, but the reaction to all of this is a case of “doth protest too much”. There’s been a steady stream Diana wasn’t perfect (and she was not but by God she was 19) and she was capable of manipulations and machinations etc in the last few years and whilst this is clearly dramatisation, there are seem to be enough nuggets of truth that’s clearly upsetting the carefully scrubbed image, and if you take this and add the Sussex fallout, damn I can only appreciate Harry and Meghan for getting away from it all. Charles is a man child, his son William is a man child, Diana for all intent and purpose was a child who had the difficulty of growing into her twenties surrounded by unsympathetic and myopic people, why does this country still have a monarchy?

    Just to add this is the first season of The Crown I’ve watched, won’t be watching the other seasons, this goes for a few of my friends. The Diana intrigue and the parallels to the Sussexes was the attractions.

    Find it hilarious the coordinated statement from royal reporters “this all fiction folks not truth in it”, just a little too on the nose for me lol

    • Mignionette says:

      A hit Dog will holler and the Windsor’s are HOWLING like mad Dogs.

      • Naomi says:

        The general public’s reaction is hilarious, Charles is taking a beating, and Camilla wooo, damn she needs to use Covid as cover and stay indoors for a year lol….but this is just Twitter and social media so it might all blow over…if they play happy families with the Sussexes, watch Charles try to use them for some good PR if the hits keep coming….hope the Sussexes tell them where to go

      • Mignionette says:

        @Naomi I don;t see this blowing over. I think this has always been Chuck’s nightmare. The response on SM was solidly against the BRF and in particular Chuck and Camilla.

        This is why Bill fought so hard to hide his adultery in the Rose Garden, he has seen the price his father has paid. Someone also made a comment about the Cambridge marriage likely being in the toilet and once that gets out the media will be on them until they’re finished and then Bill will face the same fate as his father in the popularity stakes.

      • Naomi says:

        Oooh the Cambridge parallel…yes PW definitely will not want to tread that path with all of this coming out again in spectacular fashion to a new audience too…

      • booboocita says:

        I’m thinking a lot of the BM’s obsession with splitting Harry from Meghan and Archie is so that they can point to PWBT as the one in a “stable,” “loving” marriage, unlike Harry. It’s going to be very embarrassing for the royal family if PWBT and Kate split up, and Harry & Meghan continue to be happy and loved up, particularly if the latter couple has more children.

    • As the Wizard of Oz said to Dorothy, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” 😎

  10. Becks1 says:

    I’m 6 episodes in and I think this is the best season yet.

    Charles came across as sympathetic in the third season, and he starts out that way this season but that quickly goes away as soon as he tells Diana that Camilla is going to give her a call.

    It’s also clear from this that the royal family did expect Diana to just fit in and do what she was told and be happy because she’s the princess of wales. Her age was considered a positive because she was considered moldable. Except, of course, that didn’t happen. Her popularity was a problem for all of them, especially for Charles.

    So yeah I can believe that the palace isn’t happy about this one, its definitely undoing a lot of Charles’ PR work over the past 10-15 years. And as for H&M getting Netflix money – well Netflix wasn’t considered evil when William was promoting Attenborough’s documentary, was it?

    • BayTampaBay says:

      ” And as for H&M getting Netflix money – well Netflix wasn’t considered evil when William was promoting Attenborough’s documentary, was it?”

      NO SCHITT SHERLOCK! The BRF has always talked out of both sides of their mouths.

  11. Ohlala says:

    This season is fantastic binge watched till 3 am last night! Such a great performances and incredibly accurate portrayals. Emma’s acting unreal. But Gillian Anderson just blew me away!
    And i hope that someone notice the massive shade of throwing under the bus tradition in an episode.with press secretary. In this series is everything you need to know about what happened to Harry and Meghan.
    Oh and the scene with yound Diana entering the room and curtsying .it was awful! And reminded me years ago of daily fail go on Meghan and her curtsy

    • Other Renee says:

      The curtsying scene showed them all at their worst. But it confused me as well. Wouldn’t Diana have had to curtsy to them when she met them at Balmoral? And in the proper order? And realize that she didn’t know the proper order? Or were they just being nice to her to draw her into their evil web and biding their time til they could humiliate her to keep her in line? I’m three episodes in and loving it.

      • CC says:

        At Balmoral they were probably glad that Diana is involved with Charles in the first place, or it could just be a scene that showed Diana all flustered and she may have forgotten that she has to stick to the stuffy protocol even after engagement (she thought she was family)

      • Becks1 says:

        I thought that’s what the curtsy scene was about – well I thought it was twofold. We did NOT see that at Balmoral, and I think that’s partially bc Balmoral was a much more relaxed place, less standing on protocol, etc – and Diana liked it and fit in with the family there. But she didn’t fit in once they were at Buckingham Palace or Windsor, with all the rules and emphasis on hierarchy etc.

        I also thought it was a scene meant to put Diana in her place – you might be engaged to the Prince of Wales, but everyone in this room still outranks you. We’re the blood royals, you aren’t.

      • KL says:

        No, the whole point of Balmoral is they drop protocol. That’s why (imo) the scene was so brilliant — it showed how even someone who knows the ins and outs of the royal family (the Balmoral tests, etc) won’t always know the reams of etiquette and expectations in being ROYAL. She impressed them as an outsider; as soon as she was supposed to be “one of them,” she floundered, and they were no help.

      • Ashley says:

        But the true irony of ironies is that Diana was MORE ENGLISH ROYALTY THAN THEM. Diana was a bloody Spencer. Georgina, the Duchess of Devonshire, was an amazing woman. If anyone likes historical autobiographies read her’s. Diana had more claim to the throne than that lot of Germans. Diana was true ENGLISH royalty. Her family went farther back than their’s did. It was sham to make her feel less than when they were in fact that one who should have felt so. If anything Diana legitimized them and put that Royal bloodline back in the English line.

  12. Ocho says:

    The podcast “You’re Wrong About” did a great job covering Diana. I am not even a big royal family follower, but they did a thoroughly researched, insightful, empathetic and entertaining — funny at times — job. I highly recommend. It is a 5-part series. In other episodes they’ve covered Chandra Levy, Gary Hart… basically every pop-culture or political history that you thought you knew, but didn’t.

    • Lady2ndcoming says:

      Oh I’m so glad you mentioned that podcast! I’m beyond OBSESSED with. Convinced few people to listen to it and everyone loved it. Everyone should listen to it. The part with Jessica Simpson is also great

  13. Feedmechips says:

    All I have to say is that I LOVE TOWIE! I learned how to jailbreak a firestick solely so I could watch TOWIE since it’s not available in the US.

  14. Alarmjaguar says:

    Ugh, these people are a) public figures, so they get talked about in public (so the whole not fair is just ridiculous) b) have so many resources they can use to help them with all the feelings this is dredging up (which they should have dealt with years ago. But we all know this isn’t about any of that, it is, as Kaiser says, b/c this is demolishing the narrative they carefully built. But that’s how history works, bitches (and karma). I have no sympathy

    • Months ago, a fellow Celebitchy said, “Karma is a bitch with puppies.” I’ve always thought that was so apropos to this family. Karma reaches out for them and — they shoot themselves in the foot trying to put a finger in the dike every time and make it 10 times worse. Puppies indeed!

  15. Sofia says:

    I’ve barely started the second episode so I can’t judge as to whether or not the palace is overreacting but even if they’re not, they need to just leave the show alone. Crying about it will get more people to tune in to see what the fuss is about or make people pay more attention. It’s what happened with Finding Freedom too and what happened to that book? Oh right. New York Times bestseller list.

    Unpopular Opinion but even if Charles is portrayed terribly, it won’t matter in the long run. Yes it will turn some people against him but the overall mood, in the long term will remain unchanged. There’s an entire generation of people born after Diana’s death (or were barely a few months old when she died) so they don’t have that connection to her in comparison to the older generations. They’ll go “That’s terrible! Charles is the worst!”, complain about him and the BRF but then leave it alone because they don’t have that personal connection to the Charles/Diana/Camilla story so they’re not going to go out on the streets (like some people want) or campaign for the monarchy to be abolished like people were doing back when Diana died because again, they don’t have that personal connection to Diana.*

    *When I say they don’t have that, I don’t mean all of them of course. An entire generation can’t be considered a monolith but I’m talking in generalisations

    • Ashley says:

      Except that season 5 is supposed to have old Diana? So it won’t stop with this season. They’ talk will be around for a while and because there is now so much talk, more Diana centric media will start appearing to cash in on this.

      For the 20th anniversary WE did a whole week of Diana programming. Docs, the Bashir interview, it was enlightening. I was born later so only remember the funeral. I hated Charles. But then years passed and I let it go. He never meant anything to me. But with this I am once again reminded of my hatred. Charles better watch out. There could now be a whole new generation who learns to hate him too. As they should. awful man, even worse family.

  16. Izzy says:

    “with no regard to the actual people involved who are having their lives hijacked and exploited” – you mean the way they exploited Meghan’s crappy family to use against her?

    Royal Fam, meet Karma. She been waiting for you.

  17. RoyalBlue says:

    This is just brilliant because the audience who will watch the Crown will be millions of people whilst the audience who read the royal articles in the Fail are a few thousand. The Windsors are on the way out. In the past their strategy has been to control the media which controls the people’s opinions of them. So favorable articles by the Fail translate to an adoring public, and unfavorable articles and smearing will result in the public hating the target. Now they don’t have film media under their wing so they are fuming. This series will be available forever for all subscribers whereas the Fail’s articles will be lost in cyberspace.

    On another note, the Firm is absolutely clawing back like rats trapped in a corner. It is much better to have the story told now rather than 100 years from now, as the people who witnessed it are still alive and we gain from people’s recollections. Again, the Firm wants future generations to believe 100 years from now, that the record shows from reliable sources that the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph all reported that diana was a lunatic and spoiled child that brought great scandal and shame to the Crown and contributed to her Majesty’s annus horribilis. They want no other side to the story reported.

    I am so thankful for a free and independent press.

    • Well, history used to be written only by the victors…..as Richard the III demonization by the Tudors clearly shows. But, nobody seems to be able to control global web and online streaming media. The royal family for years controlled or were in bed with the print media, but print media (books, newspapers, paper magazines) is all small potatoes now.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        precisely!

      • A says:

        @Lowcountry Lady–history isn’t written by the victors. History is written by those who can write, and by those who can write the better, more compelling narrative in particular.

        For example–the Confederacy in the US lost. But they spun a narrative that has a remarkable hold on people, even now, to the point where the victors (like William T. Sherman) are demonized, even by people who should know better. And they won.

  18. aquarius64 says:

    The Windors are crying foul because of fear of the treatment of Diana being compared to the treatment of Meghan and it gaining traction in and outside the UK.

  19. Lauren says:

    I binged watched it yesterday. It was excellent, so shady. Charles and Camilla characters were jus urgh. Charles being nice and charming with Diana and then ignoring her for weeks kn end while they were still in the dating/engagement face. Camilla having lunch with Diana and throwing in her face everything she didn’t know about Charles. The queen’s blant favoritism for the sweaty one. Also the shady bits about the sweaty one. Pure gold. The Windsor are going to need plenty pf PR to get over this season. And we still have a couple more to go!

  20. Mignionette says:

    It is so delicious to watch them all get their comeuppance.

    All the UK media commentators are pulling out receipts left right and centre of old media news reels which prove EVERYTHING documented by the Crown.

    Chuck is big mad bc this season undoes all that expensive revisionist PR. It also introduces a whole new generation to Chuck and Camilla’s nefarious and machiavellian machinations.

    Goes back to sipping English breakfast tea.

    • Eleonora says:

      True about the generations thing. I remember disliking Camilla because of her meddling in a marriage, but I wasn’t born yet when she and Charles were acting like that even before the 1980 wedding.

    • Seraphina says:

      @ Mignionette, I agree with you. It’s all being dug up again and they can’t stand it. Plus, now those that don’t remember the unfortunate events and how they unfolded get to see it here. BRILLIANT.

      • I really think they sold out to the British press years ago to “fix” the Charles/ Camilla / fall out from Diana’s death and other issues, the modern monarchy was weakened by all of that and they needed their version of “history” to be THE history of record, but the press is a rabid beast that eats its own sooner or later. I think we are approaching a 🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀 tsunami between the firm and the Royal Rat Rota. With the Sussexes gone and no access to dollars for clicks and photos that the Sussexes brought in, the RRR is going to get hungry.

      • Mignionette says:

        @Lowcountry I think you have a point. Currently the RRs angle is to blame H&M for their association with Netflix.

        But journalists are rats and eventually they go where the story is, especially if they’ve been sitting on a juicy Rose Garden for the last 2 years.

        So Chuck will either need to make a deal to save himself or the journos will shift emphasis to attacking Chuck more than they usually do, bc this series has reinvigorated the public appetite for for the C&C story, especially with Chuck due to be King so imminently. In plain English ‘he’s f*cked”.

  21. Redgrl says:

    One of the articles in the Mail said that Charles WASN’T having an affair with Camilla while he and Diana were married at first – but when he did it was Diana’s fault.
    Said they were together before but stopped when they got married and didn’t start up again until Diana started having affairs. I almost fell off my chair – how stupid do they think people are?’
    And if they claim to be worried about the effect on W & H how is that going to make them feel?!

  22. S808 says:

    Well I get why they are campaigning against it cause quite frankly my hatred of them has intensified. All of this could’ve been avoided had charles had a spine and put his foot down. It’s been 20 years and he still seems like a giant freaking coward, I almost feel bad for camilla until I realize she was smiling in Diana’s face while helping destroy her. Anyone else notice Diana’s popularity became an obvious problem in Australia? Very similar to Duchess Meghan. Anyways, I’m so glad her presence still haunts them 20 years later. As for H&M’s Netflix deal….the fact that the RRs are still trying to find ways to shame them for getting the deal tells me the RF must’ve shit a whole brick house when they found out.

    • K.T says:

      I noticed! That episode showing how Prince Charles became crazy jealous of Diana after her charismatic superstardom on the Aussie tour then Queen and couriers went even further to ice out the new mother Diana on her return. It was so heartless & cruel yet the show suggests an amazing reflection of what William & in turn the Queen’s firm did to Meg & Harry’s after their similar antipodes success. Brilliant doubling!

    • Ginger says:

      It’s almost creepy how similar things are with Harry and Diana. The media hounding them, the Australian tour that proves how popular they are, the media/RF saying they are crazy to try and hide how awful they are being treated. I’m sure there are more examples.

      I’m proud of Harry for getting out and saving Meghan, Archie and himself from that disgusting institution.

  23. ABritGuest says:

    I couldn’t believe it when I saw this discussed on a news review. It’s so ridiculous I’m tempted to think the press are hyping up the family’s upset in a bid to promote the Crown so they can delve into the Diana era again & stick it to the Sussexes. Wasn’t it just last month that the Cambridges were actively promoting David Attenborough’s Netflix documentary? And Peter Morgan claims he meets with senior members of the royal household for each season. So it’s hard to believe they can be that upset with Netflix.

    Imagine the irony of British tabloids discussing Netflix exploiting the royal family’s pain! And Emily seems to suggest the Sussexes are disloyal for Netflix deal whilst the Firm briefed against them to the press and actively collaborate with same papers Sussexes are suing them.

    In 2017 was reported that the Queen, Sophie& Edward watched& enjoyed the Crown. Eugenie & Zara were said to too & Anne said she had watched episodes because of Zara. Any upset about historical inaccuracies seemed to be downplayed by monarchists as clearly the Crown seemed to humanise the family & made them more popular. Even just last season many sympathised with Charles & thought Anne rocked. Now suddenly it’s awful because the royals aren’t portrayed in an absolute glowing light? GOH.

    Since the Queen film, Peter Morgan has done lots to boost & rehab the family’s image in popular culture so these royal experts etc are being ridiculous.

  24. MellyMel says:

    Started & finished season 4 last night. It’s absolutely fantastic and none of them in that family came off well. Though I find it interesting, Charles didn’t have much to say regarding seasons 1-3, where he came off as incredibly sympathetic, but all of sudden this season Diana shows up, and it’s a problem. Honestly, if all the “good PR” he has done since Diana passed goes away now cause of this season…it’s deserved. A whole new generation is seeing how trash this family was & is now.

  25. Harper says:

    I needed a trigger warning for all the stag killing that went on. Any shooting of an animal for sport is upsetting to watch. Morgan went a little overboard in the parallels there with their reeling-in of Diana that made for some unpleasant watching.

    The royals are still so mad that Diana spilled the beans on how awful they were. Twitter is full of comments supporting Harry for getting Meghan and Archie out of there.

    • Ginger says:

      I saw this as well. So many people are getting why Harry and Meghan left.

    • Becks1 says:

      The stag shooting and the comparison to Diana was a little over the top, for sure. Morgan definitely wanted to make sure there was NO WAY anyone could miss that parallel.

      • A says:

        @Becks1, the man literally has a single metaphor under his belt, and damn does he ever use it.

      • I saw the stag killing in The Queen (movie) and Season 4 of The Crown differently Becks1…although I can see it applying to Diana being hunted, I also saw it as a very sly comment on the belittling and weakening of the monarchy itself. The stag is “the Monarch of the Glen” in both films; I took it as a play on the family — by their horrible behavior — destroying themselves, i.e., the Crown/Monarchy slowly but surely. ArtHistorian under number 28 below really sums it up well in last paragraph of that comment.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Lowcountry – I’ve actually never seen The Queen so I didn’t realize he used that same metaphor in that movie too lol. But that’s an interesting take on it too, especially with the stag being injured and Diana helping Phillip on the hunt. I could see that .

  26. Powermoonchrystal says:

    I am surprised at how glad I am at the series being so shady and more against the RF this time around. These people do not deserve that sympathy because they keep on willingly making the same mistakes, and some of them seem anything from racists to snobbish, and of course, the worst (e.g., sweaty one). Enjoying my popcorn.

    • Becks1 says:

      I really like the whole series so much better now that we see this season. Like it really does seem like they’ve been building up to this – the control the courtiers have over the family, the importance of tradition, the incredible self-importance the royals feel, the Queen’s lack of a spine when it comes to the family – we saw all that laid out over the past three seasons and now bam! its like “and that is why this whole marriage was such a disaster.”

  27. tee says:

    The backlash on Twitter is so bad, and their trip to Germany has been totally overshadowed (what horrible timing).

    I don’t believe for one second that William is unhappy about this. This is like the best thing to happen to his latent campaign to usurp his father.

    • Mignionette says:

      Actually I think this will terrify Bill and solidify his stance on maintaining the image of a perfect marriage.

      I do wonder however whether Chuck will leak Bill’s affair at some point to pull focus away from himself…?

    • CC says:

      Nah. I dont think he’s happy about how Meghan is becoming a Diana 2.0 thanks to this show. But all that aside, this is a story about his mother’s trauma. I do feel like this would be extremely triggering for him and Diana even said he was traumatised by what Diana and Charles put him through. From a mental health perspective i would imagine the boys are trying to pretend this season doesn’t exist

  28. Harla says:

    I’ve never been into this show but seeing how it’s pissed off the royals I’m totally planning on watching it.

    • ThatsNotOkay says:

      Girl, same.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      It is excellent television – great acting and it is really well-written in terms of narrative structure and how it uses the visuals for the narrative. It uses strategic flashbacks and montages extremely well. It humanizes the royals – as in it shows us people who are flawed, who are sometimes sympathetic but also sometimes really unsympathetic. As the shows goes on they become more and more unsympathetic. It really lays bare how inhuman the institution is, or rather the way it is managed (by senior royals and their senior staff who at times even manipulates the Queen herself). It shows a family that has been poisoned by the rigid hierarchy of the institution – these people don’t know how to be a family and they will destroy their own for and because of said hierarchy!

      I honestly see this show as an argument against the monarchy (not in external terms, such as it is an antiquated institution or that it is a drain on the taxpayers) but rather that it destroys the very humanity of the people who enjoys the privileges that comes with it while they are also being denied seeking their own happiness because the Crown is bigger than the individual or even the family – and the Crown must always win, even if it destroys the people who embody the Crown (and thus, in the long-term, perhaps destroys the Crown itself because they don’t really have any truly essential role in the governance of the country).

      • Becks1 says:

        This is what has stood out to me too – the inhumanity of the institution. People have said that Claire Foy was more sympathetic than Olivia Colman, but I think that’s by design. The show is showing us how the Crown and the institution sort of takes over these people. The Queen is less sympathetic in these scenes because the Queen is less sympathetic of a person. The hierarchy poisons the family like you said.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        The first 2 seasons show us a young Elizabeth who tries to carve her own space in the institution, even if it is just deciding herself who is to be her Private Secretary. It also shows her trying to support her family, Philip with regard to the Mountbatten name and Margaret with regard to Pete Townshend. It also shows her failing! It shows us how she caves to external pressure again and again, it shows us her being outright manipulated by staff and even ex-staff (Lascalles is shown as having an immense influence on the institution even after his retirement).

        In seasons 3 and 4 she’s given up trying – she’s just going through the motions. And I do think that there’s an underlying resentment that she lost that fight against the inhuman inertia of the institution and that is why she’s so cruel to Charles when he’s rebelling against it in season 3. At the end of season 3, Charles has been broken by the combined might of the institution and the family – and in season 4, he becomes the abuser in a vicious cycle that just continues to repeat itself. The show won’t cover the recent drama in the BRF but there are so many hints that this dynamic has poisoned the relationship between Charles and William – and between William and Harry. I shudder to think about the future of William’s children – because the BRF never learns.

      • Absolutely excellent commentary ArtHistorian and Becks1. Very thought-provoking. Always enjoy your comments. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 To both of you.

  29. Seraphina says:

    The FFK doth protest too much. Wills needs to get over himself. His family is the BRF and books and documentaries will be written – movies too – and they all will not be able to be signed off by the BRF so that they can control the narrative. Which I find funny: the fact that he likes his cushy life style but doesn’t like the inconveniences tied to the entitlement.

  30. DS9 says:

    These people wouldn’t know the truth if they stole it from a foreign country. They’ve rewritten virtually every aspect of British royal history both public and private for decades and have so convinced themselves that their version is the unassailable truth.

    Well too bad, so sad.

    They ought to be grateful it isn’t worse. There’s enough meat just discussing Diana, Ireland, and Thatcher to keep people talking for years.

  31. Seraphina says:

    I started watching last night and I loved the scene in episode two with Thatcher quotes someone (not sure who it was) and QE sits there with a blank look on her face. It must suck to be surrounded by such great and educated minds and deep down know you are not as educated and only got to where you are due to BIRTH>
    I also liked the scene where Thatcher left Balmoral and called them uncultured. Baw hahaha. Even if it was not true (it being said) one could see it’s true none the less.

    • HK9 says:

      I don’t know if Thatcher’s visit to Bamoral wend down as it was depicted, but if they let guests actually flounder like that for fun, they have some very deep issues…..

      • Seraphina says:

        There are a number of articles flowing around about was is fact and what is fiction in regards to the series and right now, to Season 4, but all say QE and MT did not get along. I read one this AM that stated QE would leak out info that would undermine Thatcher. the article went so far to say QE’s actions were petty. And well, that doesn’t surprise me. Lizzy is the Queen of Petty.

    • A says:

      Let’s also keep things in perspective though–Milk Snatcher has no leg to stand on of her own, that she has any capacity to criticize anyone else for not being cultured or well-read enough. She had plenty of contempt for culture and reading of her own, so the fact that she is shown sniffing down her nose at the royals for these things is laughable. I’m not sure the old bat ever opened a fucking book a day in her life, and even if she did, she did not think there was anything worth learning about in books, and that showed in how she interacted with the world.

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        I don’t disagree from what I understand about that lady. Still, if this is even close to her opinion of the royals, just imagine how awful they truly are. I’ve heard them called stupid a number of times, seems they truly are as stupid as we are led to believe. I mean one just has to recall Andrew’s interview where they all felt went so well until the backlash. None of them realized how awful it was until the world reacted, how is that possible – stupid.

      • A says:

        @BnLurkN4eva, Milk Snatcher had a vested interest in bringing down the royals, and it was because she was mad they wouldn’t include her in their special club like she desperately wanted, and thought she deserved. It wasn’t because she had any real valuable critique to make of the royals, she just didn’t like the fact that they were closed off to people like her. She did more for them and the class system in the UK than any prime minister who came before her. She set the stage for people like Tony Blair, David Cameron and Boris Johnson, all of whom are sycophantic in their support for the establishment in the country, even at the expense of the poor and the working class.

        So her opinion is utterly worthless. It was not made in good faith. She just hated them because they didn’t like *her* and she hated *that*. She called them stupid, not because it mattered to her that royalty was stupid, but because she felt like an outsider in their midst and she resented it, and she called anyone and anything she didn’t like or agree with or warm to stupid. That was Thatcher’s immediate go to reaction–if it didn’t benefit her or her cronies personally, it was worthless and dumb.

        Thatcher was a hypocrite who should have shut the fuck up. I’m deeply annoyed at how the show tried to make her into a person worthy of sympathy. She wasn’t. These subtleties don’t play well to an audience who doesn’t know the facts.

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        @A thanks for explaining further. She was before my time so I only know what I’ve read about her and just that little tells me she was awful so I believe what you are saying.

  32. G says:

    charles and suck eggs

    william he knows who his father is thats why hes so close to his wife parents. i think recently hes thawed and triyng more but anything having to do with his mother he has EVERY RIGHT TO FEEL THE WAY HE WANTS TO

    Diana was exploited and still is today. i think she knew who charles was and felt pressured to try. william and harry are fucked up soley because of their father

  33. Ladybug says:

    Stay mad royal family, stay mad! These people are awful and it’s great that we are reminded of their awfulness.

  34. HK9 says:

    While I don’t like the worship Diana gets sometimes because it can get creepy, this is why I respect her. She did this at 19-NINETEEN!!! She did the best she could with what she had and quite frankly I don’t think I could’ve done it. Bitch wasn’t crazy, or manipulative, she was trying to survive and gave what she could. I watched it knowing that half of this was fake but she was young and very alone when she started in the BRF, I will always have empathy for her emotional state and respect for the charity work she did.

  35. Amy Bee says:

    Charles and the Royal family would have been better off staying quiet about the new season. Their “complaining” and “explaining” only promotes the Crown more. But let’s face it these are not very smart people we’re dealing with. And Emily Andrews gaslighting the public is beyond ridiculous. I can’t believe the British press are outraged about the crown when they do the same thing that they accuse the crown and Peter Morgan of doing.

  36. Annie says:

    I binge watched season 4 and while I enjoyed it, I will say this: the way they portrayed Diana’s bulimia felt very exploitative to me and there’s no way a son would like the world to see his mother like that. So I get it. Diana’s vulnerabilities are so clear and it’s sad. Major trigger warning if you suffer from EDs btw, these scenes are very triggering and very explicit. Like, Emma Corrigan is literally making herself throw up for real. I don’t think this was necessary and I know stuff like this is very harmful to people with eating disorders. If you’re recovering, maybe consider this before watching this season. It might not be worth it for you.

    There are other things that didn’t need to be portrayed that way, but I’m glad they didn’t include other infamous bad moments in Diana’s newlywed life. I understand why they might find it hurtful. I think this is the first season that makes the entire Royal family look very, very bad. All of them. It makes them look pathetic at points. But something tells me Charles and Camilla are secret sources. The show has always tried to explain, or justify their affair and paint them in a more positive light. Not to mention Camilla was quoted somewhere saying that she enjoyed season 3 and was looking forward to season 4.

    • Mignionette says:

      I think that a lot of the BRF complaining is theater. I also think C&C treated Diana much worse. I also think Diana’s family were in on it and pushed Diana forward for Queen and country. So Diana was abused and exploited by everyone who ever loved her.

      • FicklePickle says:

        I mean, at one point her uncle went to the tabs so he could declare to the public she was a virgin, so. Yeah.

        One of their girls marrying the future King of England was something the Spencer’s had been trying to do for a couple CENTURIES by that point. It wasn’t by accident that Charles moved onto Diana after her older (and more age appropriate for Charles) sister failed to bag him. Apparently every aristocrat in the UK aside from Diana knew what was what going into that marriage.

    • bettyrose says:

      I agree about the portrayal of bulimia. Especially since it then required trigger warnings at the start of the episodes, drawing extra attention to it. I don’t think they’ve could have ignored it either though.

    • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

      Actually, Peter Morgan said he worked with mental health professionals, an ED branch in particular, and THEY SAID it was necessary to show it just as it was, to NOT sugar coat it. THEY gave full approval to the way the scenes were portrayed.

      • original penguin says:

        And every time they showed it, it was definitely shown as being triggered stress caused by Charles’ or the RF’s actions.

        In addition it was pointed out many times in the show to Charles about the psychological effect his actions had on Diana

  37. Size Does Matter says:

    The price of living on the unimaginably luxurious dole their entire lives.

  38. Florence says:

    All I would say is – if you need two decades of image rehab, that can be shattered by a TV show, you are not and have never been a good person.

    Sorry.

    Harry looked great on Strictly on Saturday – healthy and happy :)

  39. bettyrose says:

    This season hits you like a ton of bricks. I barely got off the couch yesterday. I don’t like all the foreshadowing surrounding the Diana character, though, for a couple of reasons: 1. Everyone knows what will eventually happen to Diana, but her death shouldn’t be the defining trait of her life. 2. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to rewatch episodes one and two. The animal cruelty, though intended as artistic foreshadowing of Diana’s fate, is too painful.

  40. RoyalBlue says:

    I watched the first episode last night as I plan to savor this and watch one a night. It was so good and I love Gillian Andersen as Maggie Thatcher.

    Enjoyed the frantic articles coming out over the weekend to defend the BRF position, as a preemptive strike similar to what they did before Finding Freedom released. Looks like it got under their skin.

    • bettyrose says:

      I learned a lot about Thatcher. I’ve only ever just had a general sense of her being hated without really knowing why. I realize it’s partially fiction but presumably they got her policy positions correct. Did she ever publicly make comments suggesting that other women aren’t fit to lead, just her?

      • RoyalBlue says:

        it is said that she only ever promoted one woman to her cabinet, and did not apparently believe in that kind of affirmative action.

      • A says:

        I keep seeing people ask this, and I want to say that anyone who’s in doubt abt what Margaret Thatcher had to say on women in leadership positions should google her perspective on feminism and women’s lib. Do we need someone like Amy Coney-Barrett to speak on what she thinks of women in leadership positions to know exactly what she believes? No, because we can see what she thinks in the choices she makes in her life, in the judgements she’s put down in her professional capacity, etc.

        The same applies to Margaret Thatcher. She thought *herself* as fit for the role of a leader, because she thought she wasn’t defining herself on the basis of her being a woman at all. She conveniently separated herself from her status and identity as a woman where it suited her, then went back to it when she needed to, all while implementing policies that disproportionately affected women in terms of what it did to increase poverty and income inequality in the UK.

        There’s too much to get into abt Margaret Thatcher and her poisonous legacy in Britain and the world. But she was not a friend to women, or the women’s liberation movement, on any level. To have done that, she would have had to have had some sense of solidarity with anyone except herself, which she never did. She was a selfish reactionary through and through.

      • They certainly got Thatcher’s constant use of the Royal WE. She constantly uses it when referring to herself as Prime Minister.

      • Mignionette says:

        @A Maggie was a troll. As you stated above she chose to use her status as a woman when in suited her i.e. by cooking dinner for the cabinet to placate them into their assigned roles as little boys under her charge, but in the next breath refused to have women in their cabinet purely on the basis of their sex.

        Add in the way she regarded her mother and treated her own daughter and it was plain that she struggled relating to women.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        when i was doing A levels for the GP paper we were discussing Maggie and the Falklands war, but seeing as i went to an all girls school, the iron lady was to be worshiped and emulated. we were to see her as a symbol of what we could achieve. never delved too deep into her character.

      • bettyrose says:

        A – That’s a good point, I just didn’t know enough about her to know that. Britain had a woman Prime Minister literally decades before a woman president would even be a consideration in the U.S. (and we’re still not quite there) but it barely counts if she wasn’t an advocate for women. Susan Faludi’s book Backlash largely covers the same time period that Thatcher was in office but with a focus on the U.S. and she interviews numerous women like Coney-Barrett who adhere to sexist ideologies and yet find some pretzel logic that makes it okay for them to have careers. It’s not a rare mentality at all, unfortunately.

      • A says:

        @bettyrose, it’s not even that she didn’t support other women. People shouldn’t take the existence of a female PM or president as a sign of a progressive society, because it’s not. Britain remains an inherently sexist, misogynist society, even now. Electing Margaret Thatcher didn’t and still doesn’t put them ahead of the curve on this.

    • HK9 says:

      I think Gillian Andersen is an amazing actress and did a marvelous job of playing Margaret Thatcher.

    • February-Pisces says:

      I think Gillian Anderson did and amazing job as thatcher, I don’t know how she managed to keep up that voice. Also I had no idea that Gillian’s partner is Peter Morgan, the creator of The Crown. Didn’t know they were together.

  41. February-Pisces says:

    Firstly I don’t think they did Charles dirty. Charles did treat Diana like crap and history can’t change that fact. But I think the actor josh who plays him made him a lot more likeable. I actually think he and Emma had a lot of chemistry which was weird since Diana and Charles had literally none. I think they showed Charles as someone who was madly in love with someone who he wasn’t allowed to be with. They did it the best way they could.

    Secondly, as if William gives AF, he’s just mad Netflix rejected him whilst handing £150million to his less important brother. Also how many newspaper editors who hounded Diana, does William now work with? Piers Morgan, one of willies loudest mouthpieces, literally tried to rob Diana’s grave a few months after her death, when his newspaper arranged a robbery at James Hewitts house to steal her letters.

    Thirdly, of course they were gonna trash harry and Meghan, when are they not. Harry had loads of positive tweets on Saturday because of his Strictly appearance. I knew it would only be a matter of minutes for the DM to trash him, Willie must of phoned them incandescent with rage.

  42. Kyliegirl says:

    I grew up with Diana. She was not perfect, but that is why we all related to her. No one is perfect. I am surprised at how emotional I got watching her scenes. Knowing what we know now about her life and after watching what happened to and is still happening to Harry and Meghan, I am so happy that Harry and Meghan made the decision to leave. As Harry said he knew it wasn’t the safe option, but it was the right option. Harry is doing what Diana tried to do, but she didn’t have an support and two children she loved. Her mom was forced to leave her children, Diana wasn’t going to leave hers. Back then I didn’t fully understand what the Firm, the Government, and the Media did to Diana to ‘reign in’ her popularity and competing court. They are doing the same thing to Harry and Meghan. The firm is like Hotel California, you can check in, but you can never leave. While Diana and Harry and Meghan are not perfect and have made mistakes, they are operating against not just a family, but an institution and fiction or not, The Crown is right, the monarchy is greater than any individual and will be protected at all costs. It is ironic in their efforts to protect the monarchy, they trounce the very sources that bring them life. Before Diana the monarchy was limping along, especially with the Commonwealth countries. Diana brought new interest and breathed life back into the monarchy as much as they deny it. Unfortunately she shone too bright. They rebuilt again after Diana and created the Queen as the beloved Granny (that is definitely a master piece of PR) and got through the 2000′s with interest in Diana’s boys. William and Kate brought new interest, but they lacked personality and the media and general public was loosing interest again. In came Meghan and interest exploded. The egos and small minded members of the family again couldn’t handle this. The episode focusing on Margaret really addresses the fragility of the “centers” egos. Run, Harry and Meghan and don’t look back. Someone on twitter actually posted that Harry has now past the age Diana was when she died (on Charles’ birthday creepily enough) and several RR retweeted. This was not done for Will and Kate. This family or firm is ghastly. There time is coming. Karma gets everyone eventually.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      I really enjoyed the episode that focused on Margaret and one scene in particular really invoked comparisons to Harry. When Margot’s friend suggests that she could perhaps be happier if she left royal life behind, you can’t help to think of Harry’s decision to do exactly that. And then Margot saying that all she had was her title and her royal privilege – and that was incredibly sad and also rather pathetic. She was destined to be pushed down in the line of succession and away from the center but she was unable to accept that because she really had nothing else – no other passions, hardly any education and no valuable skills. She couldn’t have survived outside the royal bubble, but neither could she be happy inside the royal bubble because of the toxic her/spare dynamic.

      • I agree ArtHistorian. I also liked how they had Margaret admit that she was such a rude, entitled bitch that neither her friends or her charities wanted anything to do with her. Margaret played a hard game right after her father died and ended up with a lot of sympathy while her sister ended up with an egged face. Margaret was her own worst enemy. She could have had Townsend if she had stepped back from being paid from the civil list but by that time I really think she was a bit bored with him. Some bios have indicated that she and Townsend started up when she was about 16 while he was serving as her father’s equerry so her relationship had a longer history then is usually portrayed. Just another case of making the actual history more palpable to the little people.

      • original penguin says:

        I think the age difference between Margot and Townsend was bigger than Charles and Diana, and he definitely was taking advantage of a very vulnerable time when her father died. He ended up marrying someone else who was very young too a few years later.

      • Nic919 says:

        I thought the same. Harry getting out of there was the best thing he’s done for his wife and child because that family can’t change.

      • February-Pisces says:

        When the abdication happened Margaret was only 6 years old, so all she would have known growing up was that her father was the king, her mother was the queen and she and her sister were their two pretty princesses, there to be adored. That was her royal family.

        I think Margaret preferred being the kings daughter than the queens sister.

  43. FancyHat says:

    Besides Diana, The only person who comes off somewhat decently is Margaret. She was the only one who tried to get them to call the wedding off and the only one who even seemed to notice what a jackass Charles was being at the rehearsal. She’s still a terrible person but at least she had a couple decent moments unlike the rest of these terrible people.

    And William should not fear backlash like Charles faced. Diana was beloved and Kate just isn’t. Honestly people aren’t going to care all that much if they divorce

    • bettyrose says:

      But her character changes so much this season, which might be historically accurate. She’s so grumpy and bitter. I kept thinking that this season couldn’t have been nearly as fun for Helena Bonham Carter.

    • Mignionette says:

      I think they were very clever in using Margaret as a conduit for the family conscience as no one else could have pulled off that role. They were all pretty shitty self absorbed people but Margaret was the only one who had really experienced how cruel the Crown could be to people not at the center of importance.

      The whole family must be reeling this morning bc they all looked horrible and stupid. I don;t see them recovering from this as they’ve been burned again in the presence of a whole new generation. And that generation now has Harry and Meghan to project Diana;s treatment onto. That is the other reason the BRF are mad, bc the parallels will inevitably be drawn.

      Also constant references to the abject cruelty of the BRF to people who were lesser than them in the pecking order or to their very own family members who were locked away in an asylum and then buried in paupers graves.

      This season made the BRF look like a bunch of spoiled, privileged and whiny little c*nts.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        “That is the other reason the BRF are mad, bc the parallels will inevitably be drawn.” – exactly! It shows that they (the family and their senior staff) has learnt absolutely NOTHING from the past. They are still making the same mistakes.

      • Becks1 says:

        Twitter is on FIRE with the parallels – I’m seeing so much “well if this is how they treated Diana, good for Harry to leave” and things along those lines. This season is helping people understand why Harry had to get out to protect his wife.

  44. Shazze says:

    RF is controlling, inbred, racist, selfish and mostly useless – and super expensive! I guess the Brits must really like them though.

  45. Zaftig_and_Kitty says:

    I’ve read (a lot in the comments section of this website!) that Harry is either consciously or subconsciously protecting Meghan in the way that his mother wasn’t. I guess the BRF doesn’t know what to do with one of their own who has basic human decency. I hope Harry and Meghan just sit back and enjoy all of them frothing at the mouth across the pond.

  46. Liz version 700 says:

    They all seem like such cold evil people. I swear being in the Royal Family would be like living in an “Evil Lives Here” episode.

  47. Mel says:

    Of course they would, they all seem to be the most awful, clueless, emotionally stunted people on the planet. Charles comes off as a pretentious, selfsh, self-centered boor. My Lord, I hope their is some dramatic license with Margaret Thatcher because she is a hideous human being

    • FicklePickle says:

      From what I’ve been reading from Brits who were actually alive at the time, yes there is some dramatic license with Thatcher going on in The Crown.

      But it’s to make her MORE relatable to the audience, ’cause the audience needs SOMEBODY that isn’t a completely self-absorbed ass to relate to. Real Thatcher was…basically Ronald Reagan in a wig, I think. It’s not a perfect one-to-one comparison, as they fucked up their respective countries in similar but different ways, but I am pretty sure that much of that can be ascribed to cultural differences.

  48. BnLurkN4eva says:

    The lesson that I hope is learned from Diana’s experience and Meghan’s experience is that marrying into the BRF is the worse thing any woman could possibly do to herself. I hope in future young women will think twice about pursuing princes of the British realm. I hope that if they do fall in love with one of them, they say, walk away and create a life outside of your family and then I will marry you.

  49. Mignionette says:

    “At the beginning, Diana had a tendency to slump, so Charles looked taller. By the end, she was making no attempt to disguise her height and it’s said to have made him angry.”

    ^^^Just seen the above comment on twitter and it made me sad.

    • Chrissy (The Original) says:

      As someone who’s slightly taller than Diana was, it makes me sad too. She was so insecure about so many things as she was so young and inexperienced. SMH. She really was thrown to the wolves by everyone around her.

  50. L4frimaire says:

    The royals knew this season was coming and the casting and filming was announced at least a year ago. Why are they acting like they’ve been blindsided? The amount of ink and film devoted to Diana since her death could form a mountain. The reason they are so upset is because of the recent events with Diana’s son Harry and how his wife was treated. They can’t say scrutinize and excoriate the hell out of one couple, then make a big stink once someone else turns the focus back on them. As for Netflix, if this was made by Hulu or Apple TV, they’d just say the Sussexes are associating with big bad Hollywood. This has nothing to do with the Sussexes and one show out of the 100s Netflix has on the royals is not their problem. For such a stable institution in a country with very little political turmoil that’s not self-inflicted, even with Brexit and Covid, they act like the mobs are at the gates calling for their heads. This is all self-pity and BS coming from people who are unimaginably wealthy and powerful at the very top of the social ladder. They’re basically untouchable, no matter how much they bleat about some tv show.

  51. Lilly (with the double-L) says:

    Now you’re all making me want to watch it and I haven’t watched The Crown, other than a few episodes when it first came out. I have watched The Windsors on Netflix, which makes me laugh, more than it should. But, honestly, some things ring too true as well.

  52. NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

    I think any normal and we’ll functioning monarchy would look at this portrayal and take a long and introspective look.

    The fact the courtiers and royals keep doubling down on claiming The Crown is fictitious rather than look at what is actually being said and taking the time to listen to the lessons in the stories is why the British Monarchy won’t be around by 2050.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      I really do think that the longevity of both the Queen and the Queen Mother is a big problem for the British monarchy because the way the institution is run is stuck in a time-pocket. They are stuck in an archaic mode of conduct in an already anachronistic institution in a way that doesn’t seem to afflict other European monarchies. The fact that they haven’t been able to learn from their mistakes is not good for them.

      • I agree ArtHistorian. The Queen Mother always had a heavy hand on Elizabeth’s reign. They had to pry her out of Buckingham Palace. I thought when she died the Queen might actually take a deep breath and really look at jettisoning some of the more archaic and unenlightened ways, but she seemed to just take a tighter death grip on them instead. Thus, her reign is still — in many ways — her father’s reign. And his reign was patterned very much on his father’s reign.

  53. Mia says:

    I was wondering when they were going to mention Prince John. The Queen Mother’s excuse for abandoning her fave uncles children to an institution and facilitating in faking their deaths was appalling.

    I have always found the Windsors to be a special breed of coldhearted even for royalty. I was just thinking how different the treatment of Prince John was vs. his cousin the Tsarveich (spelling) Alexei in terms of family.

    You can say many justifiable angry things about the autocracy of the Romanovs and Nicholas II failings as a ruler. But what a person can never say is that he ever treated his son cruelly because of his illness or looked at the illness as his wife’s horrible genetics (even of the public would and did). He never used his position as royalty and Emperor to be cruel to his family or unfeeling with his children. The Windsors love to use royalty and ‘time periods’ as an excuse to be morally cold hearted. I wish people would show them the door.

    I was very angry with how they treated Thatcher in episode two. They use any opportunity to show superiority. Imagine Princess Margaret having the gall to school Thatcher on anything. The Queen is not much better. She is nice to people’s faces but a snob behind doors. And Phillip making fun of them for the dinner attire, fuck him.

    Also, he has no respect for anything or anyone. Laughing about the vase that was broken from the President of Guyana. How about he and his inbreed waste of space family give back everything they stole in minerals and riches/ slaves etc. from Guyana?

    • Le4Frimaire says:

      @Mia, Agree 100%. They use etiquette, protocol and rank as an excuse for bad manners and inhospitality. They carry on like this and then want the public to scrape to them, feel sorry for them and love them when they have so little regard for their so-called subjects and their own lab grown family.

  54. The Recluse says:

    I am rooting more and more for the ending of a monarchy in England. They just aren’t worth it anymore.

  55. Nyro says:

    I’m loving all of the young Gen Z kids on tiktok and Twitter dragging the royal family while stanning Diana, Harry, and Meghan. They weren’t even alive to experience the drama as it happened so there’s a whole new generation who are disgusted by the royals. Lots of “ok, I totally get why HM left” and “HM are Diana’s legacy” and “Burn the monarchy to the ground” type of comments. . Also lots of Diana fancams on tiktok. Love it.

  56. Rad says:

    Season four is wretched; very hard to watch. I am finding the”Royals” in the first half (I am up to episode 8) are just over-the-top obnoxious. I feel they were purposely written as caricatures and not based in reality. Cannot stand the Diana story line; I do agree that it is just too soon. Not ready to relive it, and the portrayal is just… lacking.

    And sorry… Gillian Anderson may LOOK like Margaret Thatcher, but she comes off as quite wooden.

    Not impressed. Don’t know where this series can go from here.

  57. Gail says:

    It’s really nice to see the Royals sweat over the crown 😂😂😂after all they didn’t seem to mind the daily abuse they kept letting the media dish out to Megan, Harry and their innocent baby

  58. Dani says:

    Charles really needs to just stfu and be thankful they cast someone so cute to portray him. I was 7 when Diana died so I don’t remember much besides my mom being in absolute shock – she was her style icon. As I got older I got more in to it and honestly…Charles and Camilla were shit from the beginning and Camilla is just as horrible as Charles for continuing an affair a) when he was going to get married and b) when she had little kids??? Girl WTF I can barely find time to get my nails done and you have kids, a husband AND an affair?

  59. Amando says:

    I mean…it’s a soap opera with some real events mixed in. I take most of it with a grain of salt.