Prince Harry & Meghan’s journey over the past nine months has been ‘painful’

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The royal reporters are so dumb. I mean, it’s just pitiful to watch them running around, throwing whatever speculative bulls–t they can find to the wall to see if it sticks. These are the same people who heaped abuse on Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan for a year and a half when H&M were working royals. These are the same people who actively bullied H&M in an attempt to exile them. And now that H&M are thriving in exile, those same reporters can’t shut up about when Meghan and Harry are expected back in the UK. It’s one of their favorite subjects, and they’re hyping the Sussexes’ return to such a degree, I have to think Prince William might be incandescent with rage at being ignored even when he went through all of the trouble of doing a Covid Choo Choo Tour!

Over the weekend, there was a claim – seemingly out of nowhere – that the Queen fully expects Harry & Meghan to take part in Trooping the Colour, the Queen’s annual birthday parade. Other outlets have been running that speculation as a good thing, like “finally, everybody will get along now!” No. The Queen is a petty B and the British press is salivating over a chance to harass and abuse the Sussexes for months about this alone. Now Sussex sources have told the Telegraph (via Page Six) that it’s not true that Harry & Meghan have set their sights on returning in June to attend “lots of family events” and “It’s a little presumptuous for any of us to be speculating about whether we can travel anywhere this summer.” Because, obviously, the vaccines and the pandemic and all of that. Meanwhile, Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand have been giving quotes about what the past year has been like for the Sussexes:

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have had a ‘painful’ year since Megxit after the couple’s nanny moved back to the UK and the pandemic left them feeling ‘alone,’ the authors of Finding Freedom have claimed. Carolyn Durand and Omid Scobie, who co-wrote the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s bombshell biography, alleged that moving to LA brought difficult changes for the couple who stepped back as senior royals in March last year.

‘To be at the point they are at now, having set up an empire and a charity in just over nine months, shows just how hard they have worked to make this transition a success,’ said Omid Scobie, writing in Grazia. ‘But it’s taken a lot of work to get here. The journey has been painful.’

The authors went on to say the move has also been challenging for Meghan, 39, who has juggled motherhood with moving house four times. A friend of the duchess told Durand: ‘It’s just been a lot. Their nanny moved back to the UK when they moved to LA because of the pandemic and restrictions left them feeling quite alone. Each move made them feel more displaced.’

Omid Scobie added that since making the move to LA the couple have been ‘eager to contribute to the community,’ particularly in regards to the Covid-19 response, and are keen to put the ‘focus back on what mattered’.

Last month it was reported that the couple want a 12-month extension to the Megxit deal that would see them keep their royal patronages and head back to the UK to seal the deal in person. However, sources told Omid that the couple have no such plans, adding: ‘They really haven’t looked back’.

[From The Daily Mail]

That’s funny, all of it. Harry and Meghan painstakingly built a new life for themselves in California and they’re thriving. And all of the haters, racists and a–holes on that dusty island can’t contain their jealousy, basically. Which is why I’m really doubtful that Harry and Meghan will come back at all this spring and summer. I know sources claim Harry might try to come back for Prince Philip’s 100th birthday, but if Harry does that… I just doubt Meghan will come too. Like, Harry will come to the UK for a day or two and then move along.

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130 Responses to “Prince Harry & Meghan’s journey over the past nine months has been ‘painful’”

  1. Becks1 says:

    Well I’m sure the past 9 months have been hard on them – even if they had a plan for what they would do after stepping back (and I’m sure there was a plan), the pandemic just threw a wrench in those plans – as it did for everyone. But I do like hearing that they have built an empire, lol.

    in some ways, I think the pandemic may have helped them, in that it gave them a clear “excuse” to lay low for a long time, take time planning their next steps, their foundation, doing some low-key charity work in LA – and now they appear to be off and running. The RRs still spent the past 9 months speculating on when Harry would come back to the UK, but I dont think it was ever a real expectation from anyone with half a brain. Had there been no pandemic, I think it would have been very different for them.

    Anyway – it will be interesting to see if/when Meghan returns to the UK. I’ve said multiple times here that Harry is definitely going back, maybe not for Phillip’s bday (depending on COVID, which doesnt look too good right now in the US, esp California, and England) but he’s not avoiding England for the rest of his life. But it will be interesting to see if Meghan goes back and for how long. I could see her flying in for the Diana statue (if Harry goes to that) and staying for two days at Frogmore and then going back home, maybe breaking up the visit with some time in NYC or Toronto etc.

    • Britt says:

      I think they’ll return but I doubt Meghan will be public that much and just stay where ever they’ll be living. I’m sure that media will try to get pictures and want pictures of the “Fab Four” hence all those stupid visiting California stories.

      • Amy Bee says:

        I agree, Meghan will go back to UK but will not be in the public. She will visit her patronages but there will probably be no public appearances. I don’t think she will turn up the Diana statue unveiling especially if the press is invited to it.

      • Becks1 says:

        I imagine it could be a lot like what we saw last March – maybe she accompanies Harry to a few public events, but all her individual visits will be private and pictures will be released later.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Becks1. Harry is probably not going to have public events either. I think their work in the UK is going to be private and people will find out about it when the charity tweets about it.

      • Becks1 says:

        Oh I disagree – I think Harry will still do public events but they will be directly tied to his interests/charities – like the Endeavour Fund awards – things like that (esp since Endeavour is now part of Invictus and separate from the royal foundation). He definitely wont do the same kind of charity appearances we saw before though. But time will tell.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I cannot see Harry attending any public events without Meghan.

      • Snuffles says:

        I think their patronage visits will be done low key and publicized later. Whether or not Harry and Meghan will do royal events I believe are still in flux. The only thing I see Harry and Meghan doing publicly with press attending is Invictus Game related stuff or any other project or event that THEY have coordinated where they can control who gets invited.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Becks1 The Endeavour Fund is being re-organised by the Invictus Games. The name has been changed to Invictus: Endeavours and there’s no information on whether the awards show is going to continue. It’s probably not going to happen this year because of COVID. The Invictus Games is probably going to only public event if it goes ahead that he will do this year.

      • FC says:

        I think the *one* event Meghan attends will be the Diana statue unveiling. I could even see them bringing Archie.

        Not to speculate on a pregnancy, but if she has a baby this year that will upend all the travel plans.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @FC: If there’s a pool reporter and cameraman, I can see Meghan and Archie being there, not if the unveiling is done in front of the entire royal press corp.

      • Bibi says:

        I feel like the uk press is trying to bully the sussex back to the uk to get some headline meat. The Cambridge Lazies are absolutely going with this plan because they need a way to make the sussexes travels look worst compared to their ignoran selfish choochoo train covid fail they initiated themselves.

        Hasent the queen made it clear that you’re either in or out? I don’t understand why they would be required to any of their boring gatherings. Omg stay in the states meg & harry. Stay right there in montecito

    • Tessa says:

      Harry should be with Meghan if he goes to the UK otherwise the media and social media would spread divorce rumors or urge Harry to stay and take Archie. It would not be pretty.

      • MyOpinion says:

        @ Bibi, I agree with you that the UK press is trying to bully them and will continue to do so until the end of time.
        Also, WTF is this blip about Harry and Meghan wanting an extension on the one year review? Can we say bull$hit and absolute lies to perpetrate another brow beating and hostility upon Harry and Meghan?? Harry and Meghan are DONE with The Firm!! Do you hear me petty B?? There are done with you, your systematic petty plays and your refusal to protect them and instead you choose to protect you pedophile SON!! So be off with you Petty B, PWT and Unkeen! You have made your bed and you may now lay in this disaster that you have created!!

    • Anne Call says:

      Things are really bad in Southern California right now, so I do think it’s probably been hard for them. Everything is shut down in Santa Barbara so they definitely haven’t been able to be out and about and meeting people. On the positive side, they live on a beautiful estate, her mother is probably with them and besides one day of rain since March the weather is sunny and in the 70’s everyday.

  2. Christine says:

    I thought Omid has the tacit blessing of H&M. So….did they approve this “painful” language?

    • Emm says:

      He is not their spokesperson, people only sha that because he doesn’t report with the extra snark of most royal reporters. But he has gotten things wrong most times. Her baby shower for example

    • Becks1 says:

      They go to him a lot because he’s not anti-Sussex like most of the RRs seem to be. But he’s not their spokesperson and not everything he says is with the blessing of H&M.

      • Amy Bee says:

        They don’t go to him a lot. He like other reporters asks the spokesman in the UK for confirmation of stories. It may seem that way because Harry and Meghan do not respond to enquires from most of the rota but Omid has the same stories as those papers that they will talk to. The Telegraph gets a lot of confirmation or denials of stories from them through their spokesperson. The reported source close to the Sussexes is their spokesman in the UK.

      • Becks1 says:

        Sigh. Okay. Maybe I should have said that when they were in the UK, they went to him over the rota. It doesnt mean he’s their spokesperson and I specifically said that.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Becks1. I’m not even sure they went to him over the rota when they were in the UK. Omid was one of three invited to Meghan’s last event at BP but up until their announcement that they were leaving, they worked with the rota. Omid for his book got to talk to their friends, members of their team and members of the other royal households but Omid wasn’t their go to person in the media. Omid and the British press have done a great job making people believe that he was getting the inside scoop directly from them. As you said, a lot of time, Omid got things wrong. He may be critical of KP now but he was getting the same smears from KP as the rest of the rota.

    • Amy Bee says:

      Omid is not part of the team or close to the Sussexes even though he implies that he is. Harry and Meghan have spokespeople who speak on their behalf. So anything that comes from Omid should not be taken as the gospel truth or assumed that the Sussexes approves what he puts out. Omid has been one of the reporters saying that Harry and Meghan will be coming back to UK for all these events. It’s obvious he’s guessing just like the rest of them.

    • Susan says:

      I’d also posit that they went to him when they were working royals and in GB…but they’re worlds away from that life now and isn’t he still in that royal reporting world? I feel like they’ve dropped most of their tidbits these days (if and when they do) to American outlets.

    • Chelsea says:

      I definitely thibk back in early 2019 when Meghan was muzxled and her friends were worried about her health Omid did have an inside track to Meghan’s friends as he was the only British RR getting any exclusives but he speculates A LOT and as H&M stepped back they’ve seem to cut out the leaks completely. There were many times he was wromg last year like when he claimed they postponed Archewell because thry they were broke or when he claimed they drank margaritas for their anniversary when we know now that Meghan was likely pregnant at the time.

      They seem to not want a lot of stuff on background right now not just aboit their personal life bit their work as well. There were surprisingly no stories about how their deals came along and there have been no leaks about future projects outside of the original articles. I think they probably allowed a few of the short “they’re thriving” comments from last week as the same language seemed to get sent along to multiple US entertainment but this doesn’t seem in line with that.

  3. Neners says:

    They also lost a child. That’s a lot of upheaval and pain for anyone to go through. I hope they are healing and in a better place.

    • Summergirl says:

      They didn’t “lose a child.” She had a miscarriage. Very sad but not at all the same thing. I think it’s very important to be careful about language around this, given Conservatives’ desire to equate a fetus with a child and thus strip a woman of reproductive rights.

      • Yesmeen says:

        Good point Summergirl, I hadn’t thought of it that way before.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        As far as the Sussexes are concerned, THEY LOST A CHILD. The fact that politicians and their sycophants are out there playing politics with people’s lives, is of NO MATTER when it comes to how a family wishes to view their own lives. Meghan herself said: as she clutched her first child to her chest, she knew she was losing her second. So yeah, to H&M, THEY LOST A CHILD.

      • Jane Smith says:

        I agree that we should carefully choose our words to promote reproductive autonomy. Meghan had made it clear that she feels she has lost a child, we should respect that as well.

      • Jaded says:

        Stop being the language police. “Losing a child” is perfectly acceptable and much less clinical than “miscarriage”. Meghan clearly wanted to convey her loss in more personal and emotional terms.

      • CC2 says:

        Not to sound snarky, but i also think it’s important to not strip the humanity that a mother has given her child in order to make a political point. Meghan wrote that she lost her second child, and policing language like this only harms mothers who went through this same thing. Sure, there is a dissonance there (pro choice stance vs the language) and it will probably not be resolved anytime soon even within the pro choice camp, but correcting a mother’s words regarding her own pregnancy isn’t the way to address this.

      • Neners says:

        Yeah, no. I am going to respect Meghan and Harry’s sentiment on this matter. They lost a child.

      • Tessa says:

        She miscarried, and it was something traumatic to both of them as Meghan had indicated, they did lose a child as they had indicated.

      • 809Matriarch says:

        I’m going with what Meghan said. She said “As I clutched my son, I knew I was losing my second CHILD.”

        That’s what she said. Please don’t lets turn into the politically correct word police.

      • Donna B. says:

        I agree with @Carmen-JamRock, the fetus is a baby, a human being, hence, a child. I remember looking at my son through the sonograms, though his organs were still developing, he had his fingers, toes, limbs, etc., kicking, jumping from side-to-side, smacking his lips that he was hungry (yep!), etc., etc. Truth be told i was hungry at the same time i was looking at him smacking his lips, via, the sonogram.

      • Michelle says:

        Others have said this but do NOT police others’ feelings. Meghan stated she lost a child, so she has lost a child.

        I had a missed miscarriage & a D+C at 14weeks last month – I lost my child. But I also very firmly believe in a women’s right to choose and that abortions should be allowed into the third trimester, especially for Termination for Medical Reasons.

        It doesn’t have to be an either/or – for some women, it will be a desired abortion of a fetus at 20 weeks, and for others, the loss of a wanted baby at 12 weeks. Both situations can exist, and both are valid experiences.

  4. Britt says:

    I don’t know why these people just apologize to Harry and Meghan for their behavior and just say they want them back. They’re the ones loosing because the other royals are still boring and being mean to Harry and Meghan isn’t effective anymore. Some of them are already admitting they want them back. I want to know, why did they think that these two would fail in America? Meghan is American and Harry is very popular with figures here.

    • Sunny says:

      Toxic malignant narcissist bullies do not apologize. That would be a sign of weakness in their eyes. They are always right in their minds.

    • Islandgirl says:

      I really really feel that Harry and Meghan, especially Meghan, should not attend any events unless the Queen makes a conciliatory statement in March. The Queen has allowed and/or participated in a smear campaign of massive proportions against her son and his wife.
      At the end of this period she has to state that Harry has always wanted to carve his own path and that she is proud of all that he has accomplished.
      I have read some of the comments under the Daily Mail articles and some of these people are unhinged.
      The RR and the family have put this couple and their son in mortal danger and the BRF needs to offer some sort of public support to rein in some people. It only takes one.
      It has to come from the Queen because Charles has no real influence and William will not.

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        The Queen will not do this. The statement she made upon their departure from working royal life where she said Meghan quickly became a part of her family is the closest you will ever see to her showing any support for them. She doesn’t care about any danger such lack of support causes them and neither does anyone in that family. They are not good people and are only interested in doing what is necessary to survive. Please disabuse yourself of ever expecting a statement from the queen to shut any of this down. Harry and Meghan left because they knew no such support would ever be directed their way and without such support, being working royals would continue to be a uphill climb. I expect Harry to return to the UK intermittently, I expect Meghan to turn up even less than that.

      • Lady D says:

        Like the suggestions that only Harry will show for Phillip’s 100th. Do they honestly think Harry would go anywhere his wife wasn’t welcome? I’d say no, and he probably will too.

      • Tessa says:

        I doubt Harry would go without Meghan. As far as I’m concerned I don’t want to see him as Third Wheel again. Kate and William were not nice to him and his wife.

      • Sunshine says:

        Islandgirl I agree with you 100. If I were them I would not attend any “royal” events without, at minimum, assurances from them to handle their dogs. Why would anyone expose themselves or their child to such abuse?

  5. Snuffles says:

    Painful? I wouldn’t characterize it that way. That would imply some regret.

    Stressful is more like it. All the moving, finding and setting up a new home, living through a pandemic, establishing and setting up Archewell, negotiating those Netflix and Spotify deal, etc, dealing with lawsuits, BM and The Firm’s bullshit and and experiencing a miscarriage. Yeah, I’m sure it’s been a lot. They’ve been through SO much change but also an ENORMOUS amount of growth. That’s always rocky no matter who you are.

    But I think they’ve finally come out on the other side. They are now settled and VERY, VERY happy that their big gamble has paid off BIG TIME. They know it was all worth it.

    • Amy Bee says:

      This is Omid put his own spin on Harry and Meghan experiences. Just like he put his foot in mouth saying on GMA that Meghan sent the letter to her father knowing it would be made public. Now that GMA clip is being used against Meghan by the Mail on Sunday and the rest of the British press.

    • Gina says:

      @Snuffles You nailed it! 👍

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      Like they said, love always wins. I truly hope they continue to win for many, many years to comes. I truly wish these two the best after all they’ve been through in that family and I hope some day they can look back at this period and laugh.

      • MyOpinion says:

        @ BnLurkN4eva, you hit the nail on the head!! I think we can all agree that they are cherished and adored here in the US and we ALL wish them the most wonderful and fulfilling life that they want as they are surrounded by their loved ones and are able to be together and allow their love to grow and prosper!! They deserve this and so much more after what was done to them not only by their own family, but also the racists and constant bullying that Meghan was made to endure everyday. I cannot image a worse situation that to be attacked incessantly by every force around you and expected to take it on the chin like it was not harmful or filled with unending hatred.

  6. Harla says:

    I believe that the last 9 months has been painful for the Sussex’s just as it’s been painful for most people on planet Earth. Unlike what I and others are experiencing, their experience is broadcast world wide by a press machine bent on portraying them in the worst possible way. Lastly, they lost their 2nd child this year so regardless of everything else they’ve experienced this alone would make the last 9 months painful for them.

  7. Adi says:

    No sh*t the last 9 months have been hard for everyone. Forgive me if I don’t have too much sympathy for them.

    • lanne says:

      they haven’t asked anyone for their sympathy, or for anything else. They are paying their own way and living their own lives on their own terms. All of us aspire to do that, right? No matter the accident of your birth. It’s been astonishing to me to see how many people in the British media think they own Harry, and own Meghan by proxy–that they actually have the right to say how these 2 grown ups live their lives. If they were not royal at all, people would call it stalkerish and obscene (many call it that, anyway). They have given up anything that would give anyone automatic access to their lives. They take no public funds. I think you’re safe in saving your sympathy to give it where it’s more needed :)

    • Shannon1993 says:

      They weren’t asking for your sympathy, though.

      This is Carolyn and Omid’s take. Harry and Meghan said nothing.

      • Adi says:

        @beachdreams I aren’t mocking anyone. I’m pointing out everyone has had an awful year, everyone had struggled. I will reserve my kindness and sympathy for those I know who have struggled. I feel sorry for M&H but I dislike this idea that they are more deserving of sympathy than anyone else. I aren’t bitter. Some of the replies to me are baffling and disgusting. I was merely sharing my view.

    • Amy Bee says:

      Where did they ask for sympathy?

    • equality says:

      I have fellow-feeling for ALL the people who have had a hard time the last few months, rich or poor. (Whether they ask for sympathy or not.) Is it really that difficult to be kind?

    • Lizzie says:

      That is a pretty harsh take on a couple who have had a miscarriage. Lots of people have miscarriages but I have a heart and feel sympathy. But you do you.

      • Adi says:

        In no way is it that I don’t have a heart or am not kind. It is more that the last year has been a struggle for everyone. In my own life I have had to come to terms with sexual abuse and sexual assault, it has been a horrific year for me. This pair do not get more sympathy than anyone else. Everyone is struggling and has struggled they are not alone. If this makes me unkind or bitter that it your opinion.

      • Maria says:

        I am sorry about your experiences and your pain and wish you healing.

        But Harry and Meghan have not asked for your sympathy nor have they said they are alone in having struggled nor have they even said anything about suffering disproportionately.

      • Sofia says:

        @Adi: Sorry for what you’ve gone through and I wish you the very best for your future in general.

        But the Sussexes aren’t the only ones (even amongst celebrities) that have gone “the last year was tough for us”. And while yes, the average person has had a much tougher year than they have, they still have had a more difficult year than most of their “peers”.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Adi I’m sorry for your experience. No one is saying that Harry and Meghan are the only ones who struggled last year or that they deserve anymore sympathy than anyone else. I would like to think that 2020, more than any other time, has shown that regardless of a person’s background, everybody goes through struggles and trauma.

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        @Adi, yes your take makes you sound very bitter, which is fine if that’s your feelings right now. Hopefully you will move past those feelings in time and will have more perspective on situation like these. This couple is somewhere minding their own business, not asking anyone to feel anything about them one way or another. Whenever they put themselves forward, they are the ones asking how they can be of help to others. They are the ones offering compassion and putting their money where their mouth is. These sentiments are coming from reporters speculating about the couple. It’s like if your neighbor gossiped about you to someone and say, Adi is having a rough time with recovery from abuse only to have the person respond, well life sucks for me right now, forgive me if I don’t have any sympathy’s for this Adi person.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        @adi
        No sh*t …. so youve “had to come to terms with sexual abuse and sexual assault and it has been a horrific year for you, huh? Well boo hoo. “Forgive me if I don’t have too much sympathy for you.”
        See how that works?

      • equality says:

        @Adi Perhaps you should try reading Meghan’s own words in her NY Times oped “The Losses We Share”. This is her point of view on the past year and showing empathy for others. The article here does NOT express Meghan or Harry’s own opinion. This is the opinion of British tabloids.

      • Jaded says:

        @Adi – I’m so sorry for the awful experiences you went through. I’ve been through it too. We’ve all had a shitty year – not being able to see our families and friends has been tough. Some losing income and jobs, some getting sick or losing loved ones to COVID. I feel sympathy for everyone going through this, even the Sussexes. Add to that the misery of her miscarriage…that must have been heart-wrenching. So to say that your problems are worse than everyone else’s and you don’t have any sympathy for them is…well, selfish.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        @Adi, so you want to mock the struggles of others, only to cry foul and talk about your own issues when people rightfully called you out. I’m totally with Carmen-JamRock here and I’ll just leave it at that. You don’t get to determine who ‘deserves’ sympathy and who doesn’t just because you’ve had problems in your life (guess what, everyone has problems. You’re not special or deserving on that front. Oops, looks like your own bitterness can be turned right back on you).

      • Kalana says:

        @Adi. I’m sorry you had to deal with that.

        Sympathy is not a limited resource but also sometimes we all want to say something because life is hard and unfair. Meghan and Harry aren’t reading any of this. Well wishes and caring are not only for these two. They are for all of us. If saying your piece made anything better then I’m glad you said it. I hope you feel better.

      • Jane's Wasted Talent says:

        Adi- I’m not going to pile on, I’m sure you see everyone’s point. I just wanted to write that I’m very sorry for what you’ve been through, and I hope you have lots of support around you and are able to get help for dealing with this. You have my sympathy.

        (In fact, I’m sure everyone here wishes you well- we’ve just had so many trolls on the H and M threads.)

      • Linda says:

        @Adi, i am so sorry about what you went through. its been tough year for many people across the world. I pray 2021 brings you peace.

    • L4frimaire says:

      @Adi, piling on to the Sussexes haven’t asked anyone for sympathy , nor did they ask Scobie or Durand to talk about them. We all have our problems and major stresses. This past year, hell, the past week, has been incredibly stressful for all of us. As some have suggested, I recommend you read Meghan’s op-Ed in The NY Times or listen to them on the Teenager Therapy podcast. That gives a much better perspective of their mood that they’re willing to share. I honestly think the UK reporters are all trying to give the impression they have the inside scoop on the Sussexes, and feel compelled to keep writing about them, even when there is nothing to write about. See the nonsense about their lack of social media or their future travel plans. As you said, they may not be entitled to your sympathy, and you know what, that’s ok. Maybe you don’t have it in you, and need to keep your emotional reserves for those actually in your life. There are a lot of people in public life right now I’m feeling anger and disgust about now, others I feel very sympathetic about or in solidarity with, but in the end, my feelings about these people have more to do with my own feelings about the state of things in my world.

    • wendy says:

      @Adi — I am sorry that you have had a bad year. It really has been awful in so many ways for so many people. I totally get that you may be all out of sympathy because I know many who are as well.
      I hope 2021 brings you brighter days.

  8. ABritGuest says:

    Sure there have been great highs of their new deals giving them financial independence& getting a great new home. Must have been a relief not to fall flat on their face as some wanted & to be able to pay Frogmore renovations back. Hopefully they are excited about their upcoming projects. And Archewell has started well with some great partnerships & look forward to seeing more.

    But starting something new can cause anxiety for anyone let alone starting a completely new new career in a new country & where you can’t move about a lot due to the pandemic. And then being far from a parent (Charles) who had covid. This can’t have been easy for Harry.

    They also lost a baby, there have been multiple reports that only Harry is welcome to return to the royal family which none of his family refuted, there have been a series of nasty leaks against them by the firm, they are dealing with multiple lawsuits & lies designed to damaged their work & reputation, some press openly speculate that Harry is emasculated& Meghan has kidnapped him, Meghan’s father is happy to be a witness for the company she is suing, they’ve been stalked in their home by paps. I don’t doubt they receive all types of threats& especially from MAGA types when the press lied that they had endorsed Biden. They even had 45 make derogatory remark about them at a press conference.

    So yeah I don’t think you need to be an insider etc to suggest they’ve had highs & lows

    • Amy Bee says:

      Yeah, it’s easy for Omid and Carolyn to come up with this story.

    • atorontogal says:

      Did Will and Kate ever have to pay back for their renovations, or any other RFM? It boggles the mind how horribly their own family treat them, never mind complete strangers.

  9. Mirage says:

    Settling in a new country is difficult. So I imagine it has been challenging.
    Harry may have a toxic family, but I imagine he also has friends and memories in England, so cutting himself off from them must be tough.
    I hope they manage to split their times between the UK and the USA in the future.

  10. Sofia says:

    I imagine it’s been more stressful than painful (although I’m sure with the miscarriage it was painful). Moving to another country (twice) is difficult (whether you’re royalty or not) especially with the circumstances they were under (worldwide pandemic and constant attempts to undermine them)

    I will just continue to wish them future happiness and health.

  11. Cee says:

    I really hope Meghan accompanies Harry whenever they choose to visit. Staying in CA will just give them what they want – her, away, “hiding”. She’s strong, she’s a Royal Duchess, and she’s a Star, so they should get used to her wherever she chooses to be.

    • Ginger says:

      I’m sure she will. There are a lot of supporters that don’t want Meghan to go back to the UK or any RF event ever again. That’s not going to happen. If Harry goes to the reveal of the Diana statue, I expect to see Meghan there supporting Harry. She isn’t someone that is going to cower from the royal reporters or RF. That’s not who she is.

    • Jegede says:

      Her showing up will also give them what they want.

      Clicks/pics/body language experts/stories =💲💲💲💲

      Don’t mistake the Murdoch press and talk show hosts who have been heaping abuse on Meghan at every angle and generated hate campaigns against her, now hoping to see her show face here, are saying it cause they care about her health.

      Personally, I don’t think Meghan is getting on a plane this year.

      The court documents requesting a delay to her MOS case, implied that travelling for her, would commence by Autumn earliest.

  12. Ginger says:

    These two have been through a lot this year so I imagine it was painful and stressful. I do think they are in a good place now. Hearing their joy in their podcast was so nice.

  13. Susan says:

    I know we’re getting wrapped around the axle of the language of “painful,”….but honestly, how would you feel if they said “OMG 2020 was the BEST YEAR EVER!” ?

    • Merricat says:

      I would feel deeply surprised. They lost a baby. I don’t doubt that they’re pleased with what they’ve created with their hard work, and they should be. The joy of doing good work doesn’t cancel out grief, however. It makes it bearable.

  14. Eleonora says:

    They are such inspiring people.
    Recommend their podcast. We need their message of hope

  15. Maria says:

    I mean, yeah, finding out that both of your families are only too willing to sell you both out is a painful experience. And that’s all just in addition to the uncertainty of settling in a new place (I know Meghan is from LA, but her world is surely different now in so many ways) and the pain of losing a child. I wouldn’t blame them if they DID use that word even though I know this isn’t coming from them.

  16. Leftie says:

    The year has been tough for everyone. Meanwhile M&H have loads of aides, lawyers, agents, security , etc. doubt Meghan packed too many boxes or negotiated deals all by herself.

    • 809Matriarch says:

      @ Leftie: Well damn! She probably packed and/or supervised most of the stuff. Meghan is very hands on and organized. She lost her second child. Meghan may have support staff, most people do when heading up foundations and businesses. She and Harry have had to do all that, plus making sure to be vigilant about paps, drones and lying royal reporters working relentlessly to besmirch their reputations, Meghan’s in particular.

      Making snide remarks about her staff (which she and Harry pay for) being available sounds so ungenerous. If you ever visited Sussex Royal before it was taken off line, the vitriol and insults were so egregious, many of Meghan’s most ardent supporters could barely stomach it to make encouraging remarks. It is amazing to me how thin skinned most people are – average Joe/Jane Public and so called professional journalists. People like you and Adi up-thread think nothing of making light of the immeasurable damage bullying on such a level can do. It is only after a tragedy the brakes are pulled. Meanwhile the same critics will disable comments or go on blocking sprees after less than a fraction of the bull crap Meghan and even Archie have been subjected to. Fortunately Archie is a baby, but when he grows up he will eventually see the nasty chimpanzee post from the despicable Danny Baker. He will see all the insane insulting garbage from the half siblings and that abusive father. He will see all the derision piled on his mother for cuddling her pregnant belly. Having staff that is paid for by THEIR HARD EARNED CASH and hard work should not be off limits or disqualify anyone from sympathy.

      Again, some things are just better kept unsaid. That snarky about “I doubt Meghan did blah blah by herself…” I mean AND? Seems a bit malicious to me. Just like when the Queen decided to spitefully leak that she made the snap judgment to block the wreath crafted by veterans for Harry, being laid on Remembrance Day. Meanwhile Arthur Edwards, a photographer for the Sun – one of the most virulent Meghan hating publications – Arthur Edwards laid a wreath. Unreal.

      What is wrong with some of these people? Sigh.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        809Matriarch ….bravo! Well said! The thin-skinned brigade couldnt withstand a scintilla of what M in particular has had to go thru on a global stage, no less. But it prolly explains why their life isnt anywhere near as successful as M’s. And it explains why theyre all so bitter, jealous, resentful and loathe to show her any sympathy.

      • MyOpinion says:

        @ 809Matriarch, I concur!! Brava!! Leftie and anyone else who happens to attack Harry and Meghan for having to escape his home country after being ruthlessly bullied, attacked and placed in positions that allowed senior royals to OPENLY commit racists attacks upon Meghan, especially during her pregnancy, all while being torn apart by his own family, has my deepest sympathy without them asking for it. On top of everything that that endured on a daily basis, yes daily, they made the decision to leave. But to ensure that Petty Betty struck the knife into Harry’s heart, she stripped him of his military honors and patronage’s, all of which he earned having served 2 tours in Afghanistan.
        So tell me Leftie, as hard as they have worked and continue to work to make this world for you and all others a better place, you are telling me that it’s ridiculous to give them praise when they have scores of people to support them?

      • Alexandria says:

        @809matriarch I love you

    • Maria says:

      Well, they sort of need the lawyers and security given the constant harassment and character assassination that keeps appearing in the press, including articles like this that claim to be mouthpieces for them when they are not.

      The emotional pain they have gone through has nothing to do with how many boxes she packed or deals she negotiated, although as we have seen she is not afraid to do both things.

    • Over it says:

      Lawyers, agents etc , that they paid for themselves. So therefore they can have as many as they want thank you. Just like you can if you want to

    • equality says:

      I don’t have lawyers, agents, security and staff but then with my lifestyle and not being born into a rich, well-known family I don’t need these things. Having to pay for all those things just to be safe and avoid harassment makes me have more sympathy for rich people. I can come and go freely without worrying about being stalked by obsessive reporters or haters. To me that makes my life better. Sure, my life is tough in different ways from theirs, especially with a pandemic, but that doesn’t mean I can’t feel empathy for others just because they are more privileged in some ways than I am.

      • MyOpinion says:

        @ equality, well said!! We are able to freely walk about without someone shoving a camera in our faces and blocking the intended path for use to move freely. Remember earlier this year they followed Harry into a professional building, I think he was seeing the dentist? How maddening it must be to have to look overhead before you go out to your backyard to ensure that there are no drones flying over, or having to navigate out of your neighborhood to be followed by 10 paparazzi cars with idiots hanging out of the windows!!
        No thanks!!

    • Jaded says:

      @Leftie – So you think that because they have staff they’re just swanning around doing nothing? They’re both very hands-on people. They’ve negotiated their own business deals, which, of course, must be formalized legally. They’ve been involved in several high-profile legal fights with the very tabloids that chased them out of the UK. Harry is now basically estranged from his family, as is Meghan. They’ve suffered a miscarriage. They’re building a philanthropic foundation to bring awareness and money to numerous good causes.

      But oh…they didn’t pack their own boxes….what a crime.

      • Lal says:

        Leftie did nothing wrong in stating the obvious. 2020 has been especially hard on everyone.

      • Maria says:

        That’s not the entirety of what Leftie said though.

      • Jaded says:

        Lal – but apparently not tough on the Sussexes.

      • Nic919 says:

        Diminishing the pain of losing a child is what leftie did which is callous and inhumane. This wasn’t about the pandemic at all, which everyone has experienced in some degree, but once again trying to dehumanize Meghan and her suffering.

    • Nic919 says:

      Since you can’t even pretend to state that you even lost someone due to this pandemic, this comment makes you look like a callous jackass. Losing a child is a traumatic experience and diminishing that experience as if all Meghan went through was watching too much Netflix this year is more of the same dehumanizing comments we have seen lobbed against her.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Your bitterness is showing in spades.

  17. Sadie says:

    Queen’s birthday much more likely than Philip’s. Philip via Seward called them deserters, and worse in private.
    I think there will be quick visit by only Harry with the Queen and then the Diana statue unveiling of course. Meghan will be in UK with Harry at undisclosed location but only attend the unveiling.

    • Sofia says:

      The man is 99 years old and barely saw his own wife before the pandemic. What makes you think he was actually speaking to Seward?

      She was just using him to get her own opinions out.

      • Lal says:

        Now Sofia, that’s a bit harsh. Philip still knows how to use a telephone and his other forms of messenging pandemic or not.
        Philip loves Fergie compared to H&M. Philip sided with William all along.

      • Sofia says:

        @Lal there is no love lost between Philip and Fergie. Just because Philip didn’t publicly scowl at Fergie at her own daughter’s wedding doesn’t mean he suddenly loves her.

        Stop falling for bitter women using a 99 year old man as a vessel for their own viewpoints.

    • Tessa says:

      I am not so sure that Philip confides in Ingrid Seward. She wanted Harry to marry Cressida and publicly said so. I just can’t imagine Philip getting on the phone and talking to Ingrid.

    • Jegede says:

      According to the Times, Phil also called Meghan the ‘degree wife’.

      For non-UK fonts, typical University degrees last 3 years.

      So you see where he was going.

      • Oh says:

        I thought that Sophie was the one who called Meghan the degree wife, and Philip who advised Harry and told him “one steps out with actresses, one doesn’t marry them”

  18. ABritGuest says:

    Ps when they’ve talked about the pandemic& other events this year they’ve constantly said it’s been a hard year for everyone & Harry has mentioned how fortunate he is eg in the context of mental health& having space outside recognising that some don’t have that & how that’s impacted them during lockdown. So not like they are completely oblivious to their privilege.

    having movers doesn’t automatically take away all anxiety about a move or reason you are taking that step even if it makes things easier.

  19. Over it says:

    Omid, at the end of the day is a royal reporter. I would have been more incline to believe him if he didn’t make these statements like saying Harry and Meghan were happy with one child and didn’t want anymore when at the time she was pregnant with baby number 2.I don’t get why he says these things. Also if he really wanted to be positive for the Harry and Meghan, when the British media was abusing them weekly, he could have written the truth . He could have said actually that was a lie daily mail or the sun . You know instead of letting these articles sit without objections. He sure had no problems with it to profit from his book . I am not saying he was against Harry and Meghan or he wasn’t supportive sometimes, but I think he had the platform at the time to do a lot more corrections of false truth for them when they really could have used it

    • Shelley says:

      Exactly! I don’t trust Omid!!!

    • Amy Bee says:

      Spot on.

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      I am neutral on Omid. I think he is a reporter who is seemingly always professional which is what he aught to be. He is not H/M mouth piece but everyone else was unprofessional versus his professionalism so it seemed like he was speaking for them. I too wish he would have reported truth about what was happening at the time to go against all the lies and smears, but I am speaking from a supporter of H/M. He was thinking of his book and saving his more honest take for that book he was writing all along, which shows that he is not a fan, he’s like all the others making a living off reporting on H/M. I am neutral because, he was not nasty or willfully smearing the couple, but make no mistake, he was looking out for himself, which is why he saved the accurate versions of what was going on for his book.

    • L4frimaire says:

      Agree. Obie is very self serving. He’s not a terrible person but he puts his job and access to the royals first. He likes and admires the Sussexes, but he is also very presumptuous, and tries too hard to project emotions and feelings based on a few facts. Also, he writes a lot, but is generally light on actual details. Lots of projection.

    • wendy says:

      Like most gossip reporters – I believe them when I like what they say, otherwise they are making crap up.

  20. one of the Marys says:

    As challenging as this past year has been the big difference is they were working wholeheartedly towards their own goals and had lots of support to do so. And they had the support of friends and family. Thank God they have Doria nearby.
    If Harry asks Meghan to accompany him to Britain I’m sure she will but I personally hope she and Archie stay far away. Britain and the family drove her out and don’t deserve her.
    Charles can visit his grandchild in California

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      I agree, I really don’t want Meghan to return to England anytime soon. As much as I enjoy watching footage of her going here and there, I feel like it would be traumatizing for her and frankly I don’t trust those reporters, or that family not to set her up to be harmed in some way. Let Harry make the trips alone, they are going to trash her whether she goes with him or stays home might as well be comfortable and safe.

  21. Feebee says:

    Part of me wants to them to go and attend several public events, heads held high and get some serious public adoration in their faces. Sprinkle their fairy dust and then be like ‘see y’all later’. I think we’d see some serious incandescence, enough to power Kensington Palace for a week or more.

    OTOH they don’t need the grief. As suggested they or just Harry goes, they/he kisses granny Happy Birthday, check in with their charities and that’s that. Adios!

  22. AnneSurely says:

    I know I keep saying this, but that picture of Meghan above just shows what it’s like to have a fully formed adult woman representing this organization. Youthful, appropriate, stylish clothing and radiating confidence and professionalism. No precious or delicate behavior, no shy pretense. It is so difficult to fathom that Kate and Meghan are only 4 months apart in age.

    • MyOpinion says:

      @ AnneSurely, I think that if a branch with style, grace, maturity, and professionalism were attached to a branch that was wrapped in bows and buttons and hit Unable five times from a tree, Unable would get up and only gather the ribbons and buttons and leave the rest to someone else.

  23. Maria says:

    After the wreath stunt I see no reason why they should go back at all, honestly.

    • JT says:

      For real. He’s not family when it’s time to lay a wreath, but than he when they need international coverage for the trooping. I thought you had to be all in?

  24. Oh says:

    Why do some people on here want Harry to return alone to the UK? well, I don’t want them to return to that island, ever. However, if Harry return, of course Meghan should return with him. She should always stand by his side. She is his wife and mother of his child. You know how british people/media and RF love to remember when Harry was single and how “happy” he was without Meghan. I am sure when Harry return alone they will be so happy and they will remember the “old days”

    • L4frimaire says:

      Agree. They should project solidarity and show up over there as a solid team and family. Also agree they can be as under the radar as they want to be because they have no public roles. As they themselves said, this is all presumptuous, especially with the pandemic getting worse before it gets better. They can’t just invite themselves to royal events and based on the wreath thing, the Queen has them very much on the outs. Has she even invited them?

    • Christine says:

      I completely agree, and I cannot imagine Harry and Meghan haven’t considered this as well. If Harry shows up alone, we are going to get hundreds of articles with lip reading “experts:, body language “experts”, and all the other “experts” saying in 100 different ways that Harry is relieved to be away from the ball and chain. I’m irritated just thinking about it, and I don’t know them.

      • Likeyoucare says:

        I dont think willie and kate will be happy if meghan and archie join the unveiling of Diana’s statue.
        The BM will ignore them and will be focusing on archie and meghan.
        The Cambridge will make sure they couldnt come by changing the date or make new rules that prevent archie to come. Just wait and see.

  25. Alexandria says:

    I’ve said it before Harry or both of them should be back only in private I hope. For example for a funeral, just join the private session for family. Same for birthdays.

    For unveiling of Diana’s statue, showcasing their charity or patronage they can invite the press they want to invite. Since they are soooooo insignificant I’m sure the RR won’t mind! Hah!

    Archewell and their work is a bigger tribute to Diana than a statue. It’s easy to cut a ribbon and pose isn’t it William, Kate?

    • Tessa says:

      I think Harry, Meghan and Archie should be at the Statue unveiling. Archie is also Diana’s grandchild, not just the Cambridge children.

      • Alexandria says:

        Yes but it’s up to his parents in the end.

        I forgot about the Cambridges lmao. They probably won’t let Harry decide which press he wants to invite for the statue unveiling. Let’s just hope that it’s delayed. No sense rushing it when Covid is still rampant.

  26. lucylee says:

    H and M do not need to travel to Struggle Island any time soon. Money has to be spent for travel so that money can be spent to bring the charity representatives to meetings in the US.
    After all, their headquarters are now in the US and their meetings can be conducted here as well. In other words, the RRs can stop fantasizing about a Sussex return to SI.

    • Jegede says:

      ” In other words, the RRs can stop fantasizing about a Sussex return to SI.”

      Exactly.👌👌

      It’s ONLY January and we’ve had Harry returning for – ‘review-extension’; Philip’s b-day; Trooping the Colour e.t.c.

      This is all about the RRs – who have abused Meghan to the nth degree, as she herself said -showing desperation to fatten their pockets.

      Anyway, vis a vis her court case delay request, I doubt Meghan is getting on a plane this year.

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