Don’t make me recap all of the stories that have come out about Armie Hammer in the past month. Hammer sounds like he’s in some kind of downward spiral and just about to hit rock bottom. According to his exes and former lovers, he’s abusive, dominant, into bondage, an emotional abuser. He’s interested in cannibalism and hurting women. In recent weeks, he’s pulled out of the film Shotgun Wedding (with Jennifer Lopez) and the TV series The Offer, and he’s reportedly in talks or loosely associated with some kind of cannibal movie.
As the reporting around Hammer has grown, his estranged wife Elizabeth Chambers has been allowing “sources” to speak on her behalf to outlets like the Daily Mail. She’s still in the Cayman Islands with their children, which is where she’s been throughout the pandemic. Now Elizabeth is issuing her own personal statement on everything that’s come out about Armie:
For weeks, I’ve been trying to process everything that has transpired. I am shocked, heartbroken, and devastated. Heartbreak aside, I am listening, and will continue to listen and educate myself on these delicate matters. I didn’t realize how much I didn’t know.
I support any victim of assault or abuse and urge anyone who has experienced this pain to seek the help she or he needs to heal.
At this time, I will not be commenting further on this matter.
My sole focus and attention will continue to be on our children, on my work and on healing during this incredibly difficult time.
Thank you for all of the love and support, and thank you in advance for your continued kindness, respect, and consideration for our children and me as we find ways to move forward.
I said in earlier posts that there have been rumors about Armie’s not-quite-vanilla sexual interests for many years, and there was always the assumption that Elizabeth shared his interests or, at the very least, knew about what he was into and perhaps implicitly allowed him to seek it out with other people. Maybe she genuinely didn’t know, or maybe she knew some of it, but the stories of his emotional and physical abuse were a huge surprise. In her mind, she probably just thought “maybe he’s just having affairs” and then all of this happened. Anyway, I do feel sorry her her and for all of Armie’s victims.
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Among his MANY worse problems, he speaks like he’s got end stage Madonna/Whore complex, so I can buy her not knowing.
Lots of abusive men show signs of this! Not surprising at all. It’s how they compartmentalism and justify punishing their victims, treating women as sub-human
“End stage” is SUCH a great adjective here.
The madonna/whore thing IMO is on point. I have followed this much more closely than I should have (like an addictive soap), checking reddit, the IGs, and all that, and there’s a huge contrast between his wife and the “side pieces.” (SP – a bit derogatory but can’t think of a better term at the moment.) EC wears short stuff but she’s about as far away from Kardashians style-wise as you can get. These SPs (Courtney V counts as his divorce hadn’t been announced yet) wear acrylics, massive false eye lashes, do a lot of contouring makeup, do pole dancing, frequently post pics of their butts in G-strings (think EC did bikinis but no thongs), etc., and seem hypersexual on their IGs. Just like Tiger Woods with Erin vs his mistresses. AH seemed to want to act out some sort of very “dirty” stuff with these “other” women. All of which is to say the compartmentalisation theory and hence EC unaware as to the extent of his activities is convincing. I don’t think she knew that much about the details.
I for sure get the vibe she just thought he had affairs and then BOOM. She finds out he’s an abusive maniac.
+1
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Sometimes you find out crazy terrible things about your partners. I feel bad for her.
Yeah I doubt she really knew the full story. That has to be tough, especially with 2 young kids, but hopefully she is seeking help too, to work through it all.
Yet another example to never believe the seemingly idyllic life that some people post online.
True, that’s why I always distrust celebrities who sell the perfect family and life, and these two did it a lot.
She knew because she had access to his phone, she used to shame the women who sent nudes to him on ig, and called them out. She wants to save her face. I feel for the children, only for them.
That means she knew about the affairs. Not the other stuff. And btw if you are sending married men nudes? Don’t come crying to me when the wife “shames” you. GMAB.
She had access to his cell phone, she must have seen things and didn’t care because he was a movie star who could help her in her business. and this is the same woman who was ok with the toe video, who in their right mind thinks that was ok? It’s was a red flag.
Agreed. Also it should be noted that the instagram user who got the ball rolling on this, one of Armie’s victims, Effie, has been adamant in her support of Elizabeth. That matters more than any internet commenter’s urge to blame the wife.
@Eva
I see the pickmes are out in force.
Armie is 100% responsible for his behavior. What his wife knew/didn’t know is irrelevant. He chose to act on his worst impulses and he, not his wife and kids, should pay the price.
@Eva, and there’s no possibility he had a stealth phone? no chance he contacted these women outside of the device his wife had access to? it’s very possible he was like “hey what can *I* do, they’re the ones who are sending pics!” and she thought that was the extent of it.
stop blaming women for men’s issues and behaviors.
They are in the middle of a divorce. I think she knew but is trying to win custody of the kids and any statements released are written in coordination with lawyers. I’m not saying she is doing anything wrong. She’s a victim, too.
It’s a classy statement, for sure.
I think its a consensus she knew abt the affairs. That does not mean that she knew he was a r@pist. Your comment makes no sense.
I feel so bad for her. First for the pos he husband is, second for shit like this.
Let her be.
It’s possible she didn’t know.There are wives/family members of rapists,child molesters,killers,etc. who didn’t know what they were doing.She probably suspected he was a cheater.
I lived with a partner with a huge drug addiction and I didn’t know (worked different shifts etc) until he overdosed and I got a call from the ER… people hide their bad sides to their partners a lot.
Exactly. I lived with a man for 6 years before I found out about his many infidelities – one with the wife of a partner at his law firm, another with our next door neighbour, another with a client. I’m sure she knew he wasn’t faithful but the extent of his depravities was clearly a huge shock. As another poster said upthread, he sounds like he has a classic case of Madonna/whore syndrome that got completely out of control.
I vaguely remember talk of some garden-variety kink in their relationship, but nothing like….this.
I wish I could remember which magazine, but a million years ago (Like Lone Ranger press stuff) he gave an interview to one of those dude magazines where he talked about tying his wife up. I then remember he had to pull back on those comments cause she was pissed.
I’m betting she had no idea how dark he could get. But, related to that, I think its notable she’s staying in the Cayman Islands with HIS parents. His family definitely seems to be supporting her/the kids more than him.
Yeah @cassandra, it’s the Playboy interview from the Longer Ranger press. I found it on the writer’s site (not sure if Playboy removed it?): http://brantleybardin.com/_articles/hits_armie_hammer.html
The family never supported him anyways. His mother wouldn’t even watch the movie for which he got his best reviews. His family never wanted him to be an actor. He lived in others people’s couches to survive in LA while waiting for his break to come.
Not trying to defend his atrocious acts but his family is no innocent either. Even I dare to say some of his behavior now dates to his family’s lack of support. Yes, he grew up privileged and continued to be so by his means.
He just thought he could get away with everything he did.
A quick summary for everyone who’s interested:
There’s a lot more going on that just “abuse”, he’s been accused of raping women. Even Elizabeth in her statement uses the word “assault”.
His accusers are a mix of anonymous women sharing screenshots of alleged DMs with him, and three exes he was with post-separation, who had been named and pictured in the papers prior to this.
The anonymous accusers are a bit of a mess: a lot of in-fighting, and some are suspected of having been planted by Armie to discredit the rest.
People on Reddit are diagnosing Armie with ASPD (~= being a psychopath), narcissism, and probably more things I’m forgetting.
In past interviews, he bragged about setting fire to stuff as a teen.
He allegedly bragged about harming animals.
His insta is full of blood, knifes, etc.
He’s not afraid of following some very problematic stuff on his public instagram, including an account promoting videos of people getting killed, and another one called Kids Getting Hurt.
Basically, he was hiding in plain sight. So many former comments of his are so revealing…
And… Armie’s friends might be sickos as well. They co-own a motel in the middle of the desert. A woman went missing 10 minutes from there last year. She had a left wrist tattoo, like many of his alleged victims.
And… Armie’s aunt Casey self-published an autobiography at Amazon, in which she says both Armie’s father and grandfather were guilty of abuse. So if Chambers is staying with that family, her kids might still not be safe.
Ooof, I wrote a novel! Hope this will be published anyway.
More stuff I’m remembering:
The old WaPo article “Armand Hammer’s afterlife” has more info on the shadiness of the whole family (the family tree goes: Armand > Julian (manslaughter charges) > Michael, sole heir of Armand, and his sister Casey > Armie).
Both times his wife was about to give birth, Armie landed himself in the hospital: he needed all the attention to himself! Apparently, he used to be in and out of the hospital a lot with some weird injuries.
As recently as last year, he posted on Twitter about his mom trying to perform an exorcism on him while he was sleeping!
There was also that comment about his wife saying he had a “frontal lobe problem”…
Oh, now that is weird! All of the other stuff is sick and disturbing, but him landing himself in the hospital when his wife was about to give birth? There has to be a clinical name for that behavior…..
@belig, excellent summary, thanks! I read a couple of news articles about the woman who disappeared in the desert, but I didn’t find any mention of the wrist tattoo. Do you happen to recall where you heard about it? I’d almost written it off as a sad coincidence, but the tattoo thing has me reconsidering…..
I think it must have been visible in one of the pictures? I don’t remember. Someone pointed it out on Reddit. The dedicated sub is ArmieHammerReceipts. (there might be more discussion elsewhere; like a DeuxMoi sub, I think)
Holy shit! Do you have a link?
@Ann, I think it’s Munchausen Syndrome. When you feign illness for attention.
When a parent does it to a child (actually will sicken a child for the attention it gives the PARENT as the “poor, poor person whose child is sick! How awful for him/her to watch their child go through that!”), that is Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy.
@belig Oh wow. Lots of evidence there. So sick.
With that secret Instagram account it sounds like he sent his friends horrible pictures of his abuse (some of his victims mention this).
And totally forgot about the motel. Says he owns it & working on it with his BFF Ashton Ramsey: https://people.com/movies/armie-hammer-explains-why-hes-been-working-in-construction/
Yep. And that’s just the stuff off the top of my head! To think he might get away with it all…
Oh, man thanks for sharing that detail about the motel. He reminds me of that dude All Good Things is based on, Robert Durst.
Not to mention Norman Bates!
‘She had a left wrist tattoo, like many of his alleged victims.’
One victim (HouseOfE) has mentioned having a wrist tattoo and has given/shared no proof that any other people have any similar tattoos.
‘Kind of a mess’ is an understatement at this point.
That same woman (HouseOfE) also coerced a Black woman to come forward, then after that woman did and subsequently wound up attempting suicide, HouseOfE slandered her, released her private DMs, and has now accused her of being a fraud.
HouseOfE also doxxed a former friend of hers and sex worker (that she called a hooker) on her own IG yesterday.
HouseofE also made multiple contradictory accusations and then deleted them from her stories and had made claims about her own life that make little to no sense given the information she’s provided about her age, etc etc
Seems like a lot of what she’s said needs some deep review, since most of the conversations in the alleged DMs have been edited to remove her side.
Yes, yes, yes. Protect the men and put shade on the women.
@ XXX so you missed the part about the Black woman (victim) and the sex worker that were victimized by the victim?
@Belig Thanks for posting all of that. I was going to say, and I didn’t really know all the details as you just posted, there is a world of difference between someone who is into consensual kink related BDSM activities, and what Armie Hammer has been accused of!!! He does sound very manipulative, narcissistic and psychopathic. And there is a very real possibility the wife may have had notions he was/had cheated, but had no clue he was involved with the abusive/dangerous dynamics coming out now.
He’s just so disgusting. His face literally makes my skin crawl. I never liked this woman but I hope she gets sole custody. Those kids need to grow up far away from this sick fuck.
Agreed, I can’t stand to look at him anymore. I hope someone is able to stop his spiral before people actually die.
Mmm not sure I believe this. A couple of his side pieces said they reached out to Elizabeth to warn her about his cannibalism and abusive tendencies. Apparently she cussed them out. So she’s heard the allegations at the very least.
Anyways, who remembers when either she or armie posted a video of their son sucking on and choking on armie’s toe. It was odd and very creepy. I’ve side eyed then since then.
I’ve been with a guy, who was no as fucked up as him, but still very messed up. He twisted and turned any allegations against him so he was always the victim and I was paranoid. Gaslighting for sure. I bet he messed with her head a lot, so any allegations against him she most likely brushed off as false accusations.
I do believe it.
You have at least seven women by now who confirm being abused by him. One of them even had to go to a hospital after her relationship with him and be treated for PTSD.
I had a work friend who was married to a D list reality star/celebrity. We would be at meetings and her phone would ring/buzz/ constantly with texts, calls, emails and crap from women claiming they’d slept with him, been contacted by him, etc. He wasn’t famous yet when they married; and apparently the girls chasing him only came with the fame. The wife, who was a really nice person, tended to believe him and his gifts, promises and proclamations of love and that the women were just “celebrity chasers” and I halfway saw her point of view. She’d shoo off the women…until there was irrefutable proof.
My point is, some women (not me I’m a bitter old biddy LOL) really trust the men and don’t believe the women. I don’t know this Elizabeth person but maybe with his level of celebrity and fame (the name alone!) she might have given him the benefit of the doubt…when she shouldn’t have.
Totally agree with your take Susan. After surfing reddit and his alleged exes’ IG accounts, I assumed she’d probably been getting hundreds of similar messages that she had every right to assume were probably made up. This guy attracts some wild-eyed groupies.
Anyway, it’s not up to her to say anything or communicate with these women. There are no perfect victims and in no way am I discrediting their stories by saying this: they totally knew he was married and their actions directly harmed her (and the kids) and now they expect her to support them? She’s only “obligated” PR wise to clarify she didn’t know the extent of his behaviour, nothing more. I don’t particularly like her (she’s apparently MAGA and seems quite over the top with her perfect family IG) but she’s surely dealing with her own tragedy. I think they were truly in love; it wasn’t a marriage of convenience at the start. Check out their early pics; he was the gawky younger man to her.
Quick summary:
There’s three or four accounts apart from Courtney and Paige, who are verified exes who have spoken to Page Six, etc., on record. Jessica whatever (ex of Josh Lucas) has also hinted stuff on the record. One is House of Effie. She had a four-year affair with him, and she alleges at least one instance of rape. Another is Milk and Honey and Roses, a black woman who also alleged rape within a two-year or something affair. Third one I remember is House of Regret, who alleges a one-time fling and second encounter (she says she was forced to meet up with him to stop him harassing her and threatening to tell her husband), a rape. All just allegations at this stage of course.
Oh, there’s also a dominastya or something IG account, of a Russian woman who he was allegedly also seeing and allegedly raped. She said EC was rude to her when she contacted her.
Apparently Effie and Milk were competing with each other. e.g., Milk pointed out AH had allegedly gotten Effie to move to LA from London but still drove an x amount of time to see Milk, who was farther away. Most of these women seem vulnerable and somewhat fragile, and perhaps that’s why he – allegedly – choose them. The House of Regret woman is an older woman, married with a kid, and she only wanted a fling, nothing more, but he wouldn’t take no for an answer – she alleges.
Yep, I’ve spent way too much time reading all this stuff, but some of these groupies are absolutely insane! (But I believe the allegations.)
I’m reading these comments in abject horror. I really don’t believe his wife knew it was like this and she at least has the decency to call it all what it is, now that she knows, and throw her support behind the victims. I hope she and all the women impacted by this monster get the healing they need. It sounds like there may be dead animals and at least one dead woman who need justice as well. It’s horrifying that he has friends like himself and they built a motel out in the freaking desert and a woman has gone missing near there.
Holy shit….I…what did I miss??
This must be really scary to learn after having two kids with the guy. My heart goes out to her and her children.
Money really blinds people and I feel like she turned the other cheek to a lot of stuff and stuck her head in the sand because of the extreme privilege and lifestyle but reached her limit and was done. I don’t blame her but I don’t buy she had no idea.
“Of course, she knew. She worked with Ted Bundy on the suicide hotline for years.”
“Of course, she knew. She had been married to John Wayne Gacy for years.”
This list goes on and on.
NO WAY did she not know. GMAFB LOL
No idea what the first acronym means but you have no evidence that she knew. Or if you have, it would be interesting to see it.
Give Me a Fucking Break…
She most prob knew he was cheating by the latter stages but, yeah, sure, you think he totally confessed to his wife he’d *ALLEGEDLY* assaulted and raped these side pieces?! (Mere allegations at this stage obviously.) Because that’s what she’s referring to not knowing here.
These leading men attract all kinds of weirdo fans and groupies. Her social media is open (she promotes her cafes) so she probably got hundreds of messages from oddballs and loons claiming all kinds of weird stuff about her husband. Ignoring or telling these messagers off IS NOT complicity.
She’s always annoyed me with her perfect family IGs, plus she’s rumoured to be MAGA, but followed her for food business ideas. However, it’s ridiculous people are implying she’s an enabler or complicit in her husband’s allegedly activities because she didn’t take drastic action over random people messaging her with their allegations. For all she knew they could have been fantasists or cray-cray groupies.
Why is the blame shifting to her? Put the attention back on the guy who cheated on his wife and allegedly assaulted a number of women.
I really get that Melania-type feeling from her, when Melania talked about how she knew who she’d married. If the Trumps ever divorced, M would say the “right” things for Barron’s sake, and I can’t shake the feeling that this woman is the same way. They were together since he was a teenager, and he’s not particularly clever. There’s no way he hid an entire aspect of his personality and life from her for that long, especially during such immature years.
I’ve been following this since day one. The victims that have come out have accused each other of being fake. There’s conflicting storylines, accusations between them about who is fake victims or a planted victim. It’s pretty toxic. It’s all over the place. This will either be like Weinstein or Smollett.
This is so messy. The Hammer family were Jewish and shortly before, I think, AH’s grand or great grandfather’s death he wasn’t courtesy of AH’s mother’s father an Evangelical. Casey Hammer, AH’s aunt has written of her brother, Michael, molesting her. Allegedly. Michael is AH’s dad and quite the Evangelical kingpin in the Cayman Islands and somehow associated with Oral Roberts. And there were issues with his father as well. The grifting is spelled out in the Washington Post article from years back.
Very interesting that throughout their divorce, custody issues and his actions that have been made public she twice said our children in her statement. I get that both are the parents
but I think many women in her situation would have said my children. Mamma bears Maybe! Maybe it said that before and his handlers made her change it.
But didn’t he say in the GQ interview that she wasn’t into choking and hair pulling and slapping?
I could buy that she wasn’t aware of its scale but completely unaware, I don’t believe.
Also, wasn’t she there when he let his kid suck his toe? (That said, I don’t think he should – or will – get custody.) Why even film that and put it online?
People can hide their true selves. It’s plausible to me that she knew about the affairs, but didn’t know the full extent of how abusive and perverse he was. I just hope a good investigative journalist goes through all of this so that Armie’s victims have that added layer of verification. If we get an in-depth report in the Hollywood Reporter or the New Yorker, it will be harder for him to wave off the allegations as “just hearsay” and attempt make a comeback in 18 months. (I believe his victims already. I just don’t want him to get away with this like so many other rich and powerful men.)
Oh she knew. He wouldn’t have married someone that didn’t let him partake in his sexual appetites, in some part.