Lady Colin Campbell: Princess Anne sort of asked about the baby’s skin color?

Fiftieth anniversary of the Investiture of the Prince of Wales

One of the biggest questions coming out of the Cultural Reset Oprah Interview was the blind item about which senior royal said something to Prince Harry about what color his children’s skin would be if he married Meghan. That sordid detail was part of a larger conversation about racism within the royal institution and the racism of the British media, and it was never like that one story about the baby’s skin color was the ONLY bad story. But still, it was an interesting blind item. The day after the interview aired, Oprah went on CBS This Morning and said that Harry had assured her that the senior royal was not the Queen or Prince Philip. Philip was my first guess, honestly. But by the end of that week, I was convinced that Prince William was the one who said it, and that comment was the REAL reason why William and Harry fell out so thoroughly. Well, long story short, now that dusty old hatemonger Lady Colin Campbell is trying to convince people that Princess Anne was actually the one to say something about skin color, but Anne wasn’t being racist, don’t worry.

Lady Colin Campbell today claimed that Princess Anne is the royal Meghan and Harry accused of racism in their bombshell interview with Oprah – but insisted the Queen’s eldest daughter was completely misunderstood by the Sussexes. The Jamaican-born British socialite, 71, claims that the Princess Royal has concerns about the suitability of Meghan and whether she would have ‘respect’ for the Royal Family – but this had nothing to do with her being mixed-race.

The Sussexes have claimed a relative of Harry’s said there were ‘concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born’ and how ‘dark’ he would be. Lady C claims it was Princess Anne. But the couple refused to name the alleged culprit in an interview watched by more than 50million people worldwide, saying it would be too damaging to the person they were accusing of racism.

She said: ‘Harry decided that on the slimmest of hints about culture – that it referred to colour. She [Anne] had concerns about the disastrous effects of allowing somebody of that ilk, character wise, into the family, would not only cause trouble for all of them but also for any child born of the union’.

Lady C added: ‘Harry ran to Meghan with the objections, Meghan weaponised them on the grounds of colour. We are looking at people who are very eager to spot a slight where doubtless none exist’.

They also suggested that they tried to deprive Archie of a title and security because he was of mixed race. But Lady Colin has told her own podcast, ‘Chatting with Lady C’, that they were pointing the finger at Princess Anne, unfairly, and it was a misunderstanding in a discussion about the cultural differences between Brits and American. Citing a royal insider, she said: ‘There were no concerns about Meghan’s colour. Princess Anne was rightly concerned that if the marriage proceeded and there were children there would be huge problems, not because of Meghan’s colour, but because of Meghan’s inability and determination to remain unable to appreciate the cultural differences’.

She added that Anne was concerned that Meghan may not ‘actually have respect for the institution in to which she was marrying, and the family in which she was marrying. Meghan and Harry have used that genuine concern of a loving aunt, knowing that because she is down to earth, experienced, modest, intelligent and sensible, and that you cannot make a sow’s ear into a silk purse. Nobody is the guilty party in terms of racism. But Princess Anne was the champion in terms of ‘don’t marry that girl, she is unsuitable. She is wrong for the country, wrong for the job. Well, it’s turned out to be true. I think it’s important that it is out there before it is weaponised by some anti-establishment, anti-monarchist organisation, who will spin things destructively to further their agenda.

[From The Daily Mail]

For what it’s worth, whenever Meghan, Harry and Anne were around each other, they seemed to get along pretty well. Whenever William and Harry were around each other in 2018-2020, it looked like a fistfight was about to break out. Obviously, I still think William is the culprit specifically in the Sussexes’ blind item. But it’s hugely problematic that there are so many suspects and anyone could make a good case for literally any of the “Magnificent Seven” senior royals. As for what “Lady Colin” says about what Anne was trying to say about how Meghan wouldn’t “fit in” with the Windsor klan… do these old farts realize that we can hear all of their racist dog whistles? Looking at Meghan and making assumptions (based on her skin color) about whether or not Meghan would be able to understand the “cultural difference” of entering a heretofore all-white institution. Anyway, I’m pretty sure this is Kensington Palace tossing the Princess Royal under the bus.

Fiftieth anniversary of the Investiture of the Prince of Wales

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  1. Lightpurple says:


    How does she think this is a defense of anyone?

    • Quietly Kitten says:

      Lady C… and you know what the “c” stands for.

      PS: Hello to all the girls involved in the PUNT conversation a while back. This is how it’s applied.

      • Enny says:

        I’m sure LCC believes Anne to be her aristocratic contemporary and Anne has made it very clear over the years that she wants nothing to do with LCC and her “ilk.”

      • Water Bearer 💧 says:

        This made me laugh out loud and heartily. Thanks for the giggles.

      • swirlmamad says:

        QuietlyKitten = YES! Lady Colin C is a PUNT to the Nth degree.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Quietly Kitten, oh yes, I see it clearly. She’s definitely a PUNT! A clueless PUNT, because she just showed that another member of the brf is racist.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      The palace has just confirmed that it was definitely the other son. Another failed PR attempt to add to the rather long list. Princess Anne is actually one not to be involved RF PR mess. She does her numbers and looks after her horses and goes.

      • Mac says:

        Exactly. I find it very hard to believe Anne would intervene in any way in Harry’s life.

      • BABSORIG says:

        Let’s just say, the Sussexes said they have their receipts of everything they said in the Oprah interview. If Lady C has any receipts, let’s see them please.

      • Bibi says:

        Anne does not give 2 $h*ts about what’s going on with H&M. They chose Anne to throw under the bus, because she is loved by the public for her hard work. They alwaya hit on the better ones.

      • minx says:

        LCC is a joke and I certainly don’t think Anne is the one. But just because Anne has a messy house and doesn’t doll herself up doesn’t mean she’s not as snobby and entitled as the rest of that useless family.

      • Christine says:

        Agreed. Anne is as straightforward and businesslike as a person can be. As mad as I am at the royal family, I can’t bring myself to do a complete about-face about Anne, she’s just so darned sensible. She speaks to my accountant soul.

        That doesn’t mean I don’t think she is a snob to HER soul, but I can’t argue with facts. She works her ass off.

      • Call_me_al says:

        Link? I can’t find this.

    • fani says:

      I agree. Once again sacrificing a spare to protect an heir. I don’t understand why they think wrongly attacking the people who actually do work and get things done is a good approach. It is a sinking ship, sadly.

    • Anony83 says:

      Now assuming this is true, which I don’t really believe, this Lady C person always seems off the rails BUT…

      I mean, giving this the MOST generous interpretation, Anne might have been asking whether, as an American, Meghan understood the Firm well enough to know she wants to enter it. Which would have been a reasonable question and was raised by others at the time (including John Oliver in his remarkably spot on predictions about how this could all go wrong.) AND, I could see Harry having that conversation, telling Meghan about it, and them still getting on just fine with Anne if she said “American” instead of “ilk” (which seems like it might be Lady C’s shady way of describing that.)

      All that being said, even if she did say what she’s saying Anne said about ilk, that is also super problematic but I could also see how Meghan and Harry might roll their eyes at it and let it go in the interest of family union. Either is possible.

      But I’m sorry, I still believe the baby skin color questions were from William because those were (a) MUCH WORSE and (b) William and Harry’s relationship fractured so completely right around when Archie was born and I’m not sure that can possibly be explained by the smear campaign on it’s own. But asking about the baby’s skin color and dismissing his wife’s severe depression – yeah, that would fracture almost any relationship I’d imagine.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        Jeebus! Why would you twist yourself into such a pretzel to try to find some logic into what colonoscopy said? Why? For what reason?

      • Anony83 says:

        I thought I made really clear that I was stretching there. I don’t know what she said, obviously, but the fact that H&M stayed friendly with her suggests it couldn’t have been the baby skin color thing.

        I’m not saying that if she did ask about someone’s “ilk” that it was OKAY, just that it wasn’t as bad as the thing I’m like 99% sure William said (at this point).

        I wasn’t excusing it, I was just trying to explain why I thought Harry and Meghan would have had such different reactions to the situations.

    • FeedMeChips says:

      Yeah, if this was supposed to be a defense, it was a piss poor one.

    • whateveryousay says:

      Wow. If I was Anne I would be coming for Lady C for this nonsense. If they are going to try to make her the fall guy for William and Charles I wouldn’t be for it. Also what does that have to do with security? So Meghan didn’t now enough about what is expected of her so no security for her kids? What?!

      • Christine says:

        I can’t wait to see what happens next, it’s going to be fascinating. I CANNOT imagine Anne letting this go, and I also cannot imagine Harry and Meghan letting this go, if Anne is not the family member in question. They have been tortured in the press, they won’t stand by and remain silent if it was not her.

    • Yup, Me says:

      “Ilk” was the smallest poo nugget in that nasty word salad of hers.

      Every time I see “Lady Colin Campbell’s” name, I’m surprised and I go “Lady Colin ain’t dead, YET?!”

      She looks and sounds like a decrepit old ghost, not even interesting enough to provide a good scare in a castle, just making annoying water dripping sounds and creaking pipes and random fart smells.

      She’s the life sized equivalent of the sound “meh”.

    • Yvette says:

      Some of you may be too young to know this, but when Anne was in her 20′s – 30′s she was very abrasive and rude–on purpose. You can Google her early event appearances. The girl had no people skills at all and hated all the trappings of the Royal ‘show.’ What I’m trying to say is that I don’t for a minute believe the culprit is Princess Anne. There are currently only two people in the Royal family who are going over the top with PR moves and leaked character embiggening to deflect from suspicion, and it isn’t Anne and her husband.

      • Lorelei says:

        This was the sentence that killed me—

        “She [Anne] had concerns about the disastrous effects of allowing somebody of that ilk, character wise, into the family”

        Character? Does *this family* really want to start a conversation about character?

      • pottymouth pup says:

        I remember hearing about Anne telling the press to naff off and thinking she was awesome for that

        Anne has a well-earned reputation of being the hardest working royal, my guess is that she’d very much appreciate Meghan’s work ethic and the impact she had on Harry

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ pottymouth pup, I agree. Anne of all people would appreciate that Harry was marrying someone of character, compassion and an entire history of decades in regards to public service and dedication. The only slight
        interpretation of Anne questioning Meghans loyalty was that she is not from a British commonwealth and she may not have a insiders grasp for the duty to serve as part of a commonwealth organization, as opposed to someone from Salty Island or any other commonwealth of the BRF. Now, i could certainly be absolutely wrong, but I still stand in Baldimort claim of their child’s skin color, as that sounds very spot on for him. Any chance to discredit Meghan as anything other than a piece of a$$, as Baldimort probably saw her, would have been right up his alley. Any manner in which he could discredit her or imply that she lacked any sense of seriousness from an entirely vast pool of white aristo women were more acceptable and would be more willing to be kept down from outshining Baldimort and Keen Doucheness. But he met her and realized Meghan is a woman of substance, intelligence, empathy and extreme charismatic and stunning to boot, brought out the green dragon of jealousy and Baldimort saw how his father was overshadowed by his mother and he wasn’t willing to look past his own ego to support a perfect woman for Harry, as he clearly saw that Harry was very much in love❤️
        Where as Keen Doucheness had nothing but her winglets to show.
        As for Lady C, how she can call herself a lady is mind blowing!

      • Cari says:

        I read somewhere a journalist said princess Anne actually said f%#+ off. It was the journalists who changed it to naff off to protect her reputation.

        I can believe Anne didn’t think an actress or any celebrity would be suitable or understand the different codes of behaviour. Hollywood and upperclass English culture are polar opposites. Courtiers used to shudder at the thought of William marrying “a celebrity like Britney Spears”. Sophie winkleman doesn’t count as she’s not an official royal. I doubt anne would be stupid to say anything about a babies skin colour. (Or stupid enough to think it mattered either way).

    • emu says:

      OMG. So terrible!

  2. Belli says:

    If Lady Colin Campbell is claiming it was Anne, we can safely rule Anne out.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      Thank you precisely !

    • Jo73c says:

      Totally! I wouldn’t believe a word out of that old see-you-next-tuesday’s mouth

    • Jegede says:


      This crazy person is clearly setting out to EXONERATE the 2 heirs to the throne – William and Charles, by conveniently throwing Anne under the bus.🙄🙄🙄

      For Meghan and Harry to say it would be ‘very damaging’ to reveal who it was, meant it was a KEY player.

      Anne is no key player in the streamlined Windsor dynamic.
      Anne has no say in Harry’s life choices.
      In fact, the only time she’s is in the news, is when her kids do stupid things.

      • swirlmamad says:

        I don’t think Anne suffers fools kindly. If this is indeed a ham-fisted attempt to protect Chuck and Will, it’s possible we may be seeing receipts from Anne’s corner soon.

    • Myra says:

      For sure. They are just trying to throw in anyone to distract from the real culprit. We all know it was William.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Spot on. Anne is forthright and says things with her whole chest. Harry said CONVERSATIONS (plural) were had. I love how this family is telling on itself.

    • Ginger says:

      Exactly this! If LadyCC said it then the opposite happened.

    • MsIam says:

      Plus Anne and Charles know first hand how messy this family is because they are part of the mess. Anne was more low key with her overlapping relationships than Charles, but they both were no saints. I think they would be the last to worry about “reputations being damaged” by an outsider. And uh, brother Andrew, hello? Can’t forget him. I think the ones who are the most worried about reps are William and the Middleton Klan. Who are the ones pushing out the most stories about how perfect they are? And I believe the Middletons are not above slipping a few pounds to people to buy favororable press.

    • Maliksmama says:

      Anne has always been presented as a very intelligent and hardworking woman. And able to get her point across with hinting or hedging. I think Anne is aware that skin tone has zero to do with culture.

      Folk have always said she’s a blunt object. If she had concerns about Meghan, Anne would’ve said them directly to Meghan. She’d not use a baby to beat Meghan over the head with being unsuitable.

      W&K are horrible people. If he’s like this now, Will’s going to be a nightmare king. Those other cousins better get out now. I’d hate to have to depend on his largesse once he’s on the throne.

    • My Two Cents says:

      but it’s interesting that this is the approach they choose, to get everyone involved in the ‘William isn’t the racist’ PR scheme, very obvious, but interesting none-the-less

    • FunkyEdema says:

      Yeah, I’m going to need a source more credible than Lady Colin Campbell before I believe this claim.

    • HeyJude says:

      Yep, and it’s HIL-f’n-ARIOUS they think were really this stupid.

      Well, maybe royal supporters are and that’s who this explanation is for but, dears in the palaces, this is completely transparent to any remotely intelligent person.

      The Royal Family is getting to be like the Kremlin. When they tell you a person did something, you can be certain they didn’t.

    • Christine says:

      Yours is the most relevant reply! YES.

    • Isabella says:

      My guess: They are trying to make poor Anne fall on her sword because she’s not in line of succession and therefore it doesn’t matter. Plus, they’re pretending she’s old and dotty and doesn’t know what she’s saying is wrong.

  3. Lively says:

    Lol why does everything this woman just said sound like a conversation that happened in her own head

    • Enny says:

      Ikr? I think LCC has issues with Anne, and concocted this fantasy in which Anne is outed as a racist ol’ biddy. But if we trace what Meghan said, she said that she and Harry wouldn’t reveal the racist because of how “damaging” it would be to that person. Anne simply isn’t important enough to be “damaged” by this accusation, I’m sorry. For it to be damaging, you have to be a current or future monarch, or the spouse of one. Just my opinion…

    • Scal says:

      LCC literally said in the podcast that she and Anne have ‘met a few times over the years, but they are not friends. ‘ Did a random friend of Anne’s say something? Nope-she tried to make it all well Anne said xyz like she actually knew something

      This is all some hanger on making up fan fiction for clout.

      • Couch potato says:

        Anyone thinking the scenario Lady C described is a good defense should take a few steps outside their golden castles.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      LCC is a bottom feeder clinging on to her title and tenuous connections with her finger tips. Princess Anne does not have time for the likes of her. Plus it’s not in Anne’s character to poke her nose where it is not wanted. Of all the family members I suspect she is one of the few supportive of the Sussexes and this is probably the other son and his father throwing her under the bus for it.

  4. Darla says:

    I never thought it was William he’s not stupid enough to go there IMO. Nor do I think he cares about that. HE has many other issues, this one wasn’t him though. I suspect Charles, but could it be another old biddy like Anne? Sure. But everyone here not just wants it to be Will, they need it to be, so this is my only comment, bye!

    • Sierra says:

      I agree, people seem to ignore how Harry & Meghan actually seems to have no issues with William and Kate. The brothers might be on different path and Harry sounded like he misses his brother.

      If William was the one who said it, I don’t think Harry would be saying that they will be talking soon.

      • Becks1 says:

        Wait, are you serious? For the past two years it’s been obvious there’s a major rift between Harry and William. There have been books written about it. Kate and William both flat out ignored Meghan at the commonwealth service last march.

        There are serious issues between the brothers and no one in the royal sphere tries to hide it.

      • Cecilia says:

        Harry never said that they would be talking soon. He quite literally said that the relationship was “space”. That doesn’t sound like they want a reconciliation. And im pretty sure it wasn’t charles. Because contrary to his relationship with william, harry actually said he is willing to work on the relationship with his father.

      • Ginger says:

        What?! It is clear that there are major issues with Will and Kate. Harry said he would always love his brother but said his relationship with him is space. He doesn’t want to be around him or even speak to him. He sounded more disappointed in his dad and said he would like to heal that relationship in time ( which I doubt will happen) Meghan loves her dad but also doesn’t want to see or speak to him. Harry and Meghan gave diplomatic answers for Will and Kate but it’s clear their relationships are over.

      • Myra says:

        Harry said there was space in the relationship. They haven’t really spoken in years and Tom Bradby confirmed that something was said before the marriage that could not be unsaid. William is also the first to claim that the family is not racist and that tells you all you need to know. A person whose first instinct is to gaslight a person of colour over her lived experience is very much guilty of perpetuating racism.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        I don’t know what you’ve been reading but MANY publications have outed the other son’s numerous roles in the hastening of Sussexit. Last years CW service and the many, many leaks from KP confirm this. Plus Harry blatantly said spaaaaaaace with regards to William in the Oprah interview!!!

      • Kalana says:

        Lol. Darla and Sierra are probably the same person.

        Harry basically repeated what he saud about William in South Africa.

        William is a nasty little racist who cheated on his wife and tried to use Meghan as a human shield. It was all over Twitter during his latest dragging.

      • Jaded says:

        @Sierra and Darla: Did you watch the Commonwealth church service? Daggers were coming out of Wilbur and Keeno’s eyes at Harry and Meghan. They’ve had more issues – financial, emotional and mental – than Time Magazine. The leaking, smearing and gaslighting was horrible and the death threats were the tipping point. All of which can be traced back to William’s camp. He is a lazy, vicious, narcissistic excuse of a human being and so is his wife.

    • ABritGuest says:

      William was stupid enough to say the royal family is very much not racist (there’s lots of evidence to the contrary incl comments by Harry) & played the ‘I can’t be racist I have a black friend’ card.

      Plus it’s long been said in the press that William was the one who had a conversation with Harry expressing reservations about Meghan (no mention of Anne having such conversations until now) that made Harry go ballistic& caused the brotherly rift. I can see concern about skin tone of future children being something that would make Harry really angry.

      they also said revelation of who had these questions would be damaging & I can’t see how Anne’s rep could be really damaged by this revelation because she’s already known as rude & snobby plus isn’t really important enough. whereas future monarchs & commonwealth heads are.

      • Ginger says:

        Agreed. The press said the conversation was Will telling Harry to slow down with Meghan. Why would that cause Harry to go ballistic on him? It’s clear now that the conversation was Will asking Harry what would their kids look like. Harry still seemed shaken by it. Also, Will is stupid enough to think that what he asked wasn’t racist.

      • Couch potato says:

        Yes, and Harry said the first conversation about skin colour was BEFORE they got married. TOB telling him to slow down wouldn’t make him that angry.

    • Harper says:

      Hi Carol-with-an-e.

    • Nic919 says:

      William was stupid enough to make a racist joke about Uber delivery drivers just a few months ago. And his “were definite not a racist family” is not the response of someone who has never said racist things in his life.

      Maybe this is an April fools day response.

    • Becks1 says:

      I dont understand the bit about how we “need it to be Will.” If it wasnt William or Charles, then Harry would have clarified that at the same time that he defended the Queen and Philip. So we know it was one of them. He cant say that it wasnt one of them, bc then we would know it was the other.

      William makes the most sense as the one for whom this would be the most damaging.

      • L84Tea says:

        Not to mention, there was something very telling about the way Meghan said, “……I think that would be very damaging to this person.” when asked by Oprah who was having that conversation. Yes, she could have been talking about anyone, but the impression I was left with was that she was NOT talking about some semi-minor royal like Anne. She was clearly saying it was someone bigger–someone very important…like a future KING maybe? And the fact that they clarified that it was not Philip or Liz (and NO mention of Charles or William) pretty much puts the bullseye on one of them.

        Maybe it was Charles, maybe it was William. But my gut says William–not because it needs to be him–but because he’s the only one twisting himself into a pretzel trying to prove it wasn’t him. He couldn’t act more guilty if he tried. But try I’m sure he will!

    • MsIam says:

      @Darla, remember the words “exile to Africa”? Remember who was the one who was alleged to have said those words? It wasn’t Charles. I don’t feel its a stretch at all to tie William to this.

    • Lila says:

      You honestly think William, right wing Tory William, “my family is very much not racist” William, “I have a black friend” William, “I’m bored with racism” William, “the Indian delivery guy is being frisked” William wouldn’t go there? Of course he would go there.

    • dollycoa says:

      I think it sounds exactly like the kind of thing William would say to Harry, even if it was said in the middle of a row about Meghan. Everyone knows he didn’t want Harry to marry Meghan, and that was part of the falling out, because he thought Harry should have waited. Maybe he thought gaslighting a teenager for 10 years until she became an automaton was the way to a happy marriage, who knows? But it sounds like the kind of thing you would say on the spur of the moment once all other arguments had failed. Probably because 1. he believed it was a problem and 2. he had heard the courtiers express similar concerns.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      This absolutely does not rule out William at all. It actually points the arrow more squarely at him. Deflection is what’s going on here. That this LCC person is willing to throw Anne’s name out there says it all.

      The good ‘ol turtle shell game.

    • swirlmamad says:

      LOL, no one NEEDS it to be Will….we just have eyes and basic comprehension skills and all signs point to the high odds of it being him. Could it be Charles? Certainly not out of the realm of possibility. But to say that H&M have had no issues with W&K shows you have not been paying a lick of attention to anything going on (or you’re just choosing to be a Cambridge apologist).

    • Demi says:

      Yes, I’m with you on this one.. I don’t like the Cambridges but doesn’t make sense to me it’s them .. I think kate’s top lazy CEO out of it because why would she care about what her brother in law children will look like..
      To think it’s William having Concerns about his brother’s children why he would be concerned with something that doesn’t affect him?? he has his own children they all titled
      I think it’s Charles maybe he was “concerned” about how his “descendants” will look like?? also when Harry said that he is disappointed because Archie is grandson..

      • Becks1 says:

        Yes, William’s kids are already titled, but I think he LIKES that they are the only HRHs of their generation. There will not be any more. His kids now occupy the top rung of the royal ladder (they did anyway, but this family is so hung up on these things that I’m just imagining his thoughts). So he is invested in Harry’s children from that angle. Also, his kids are going to be pictured with Harry’s kids regularly for the next few decades – maybe William was worried about the optics of Louis being photographed next to his black cousin. It’s gross, but William is a gross person, IMO.

        And again, we’re back to Harry trying to repair the relationship with his father, but wanting “space” with William.

      • Myra says:

        Because he is racist. He cares that a titled British prince could come out looking black or brown. This is how racism works. Racists don’t mind black or brown people as friends (barely), entertainers or workers. They do mind if people of colour enters a space exclusive to white people only. When a POC joins an all-white family, it represents an equality in status to other members of the family. That’s when their racism jumps out. POC are seen as inferior, beneath white people in station, intellect or taste. It’s why Kate is constantly referred to as classy and why the media had the audacity to call Meghan vulgar. A racist William will care that the seventh in line to the throne, eventually fifth in line, will be a person of colour. As one of UK’s racist boldly texted, it taints the royal family seed.

      • Demi says:

        We are all speculating but Harry is clearly hurt by his father he seemed disgusted when he said Archie is his grandson so that’s why I assume it’s Charles.. I assume it’s something said about bloodline so that ties Charles more being Archie his direct descent but who knows..
        William is behind the smear campaign I get that he is jealous of his brother being in the spotlight but that doesn’t necessarily mean he is the one having “concerns” about his nephew skin tone even his comments about them being very much not racist family and the stupid black friend PR can be explained by him panicking him and Harry having “spaced” could be because of his jealousy and smear campaign so we can’t say it’s 100% him..

      • ABritGuest says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised if all the royal family had made snide comments about Harry’s children with Meghan. However only one Harry was reported as having a serious rift with was William due to a conversation pre marriage.

        Harry seemed to be on good terms with Charles post marriage even doing a speech hailing his environmental efforts after Meghan’s pregnancy was announced in Australia & speaking warmly about him in that 70th birthday documentary. Whereas with William it’s just been splitting office, foundation & moving away from Kensington palace to create distance between the brothers. So it being William fits. But i personally wouldn’t be surprised if the family got William to voice their joint concerns over Meghan & their possible with Harry directly.

        I think Harry is mad at Charles as a father& grandfather because of being left scrambling for security meant his & Archie’s life could have been in danger. Also he’s stuck up for Camilla in the past which probably helped her image rehab a lot as Diana’s son so fact Charles wouldn’t say or do anything openly in support of Harry’s family must have hurt. Plus Charles made Camilla non negotiable but Harry was apparently meant to forego his happiness& dump his family in service of the crown. Think that’s what Harry may have been referring to when he said Charles had been in a similar position.

    • Emily_C says:

      I don’t “need” for it to be Will. I still think it was Charles.

  5. Scorpion says:

    Whew Chile, the spin hunny

  6. Sierra says:

    I will be shocked if it turns out to be Princess Anne. She is one of the few British royals I actually like.

    Asking about a child’s skin colour is pretty normal in India and other Asian countries. Especially people in the North India constantly ask those in the South if they ever worry about the children being born “dark”. I hope Meghan’s situation has made those in india aware of just how racist they are .

    • Myra says:

      A (white) friend of mine said the same to me. She joked about my baby being the first to be born brown in my immediate family (siblings, nieces, nephews). Mind you my family is mixed as am I. I was offended but smiled. Just wondered if she thought I was somehow ashamed of my own skin colour all this time we had been friends. It is deeply problematic to talk about skin colour, especially if it sounds like you are mocking someone for having darker skin tones.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Context is very much needed here. Discussing skin shades/tones is common amongst certain ethnic groups. Most of it non malicious even if it’s ignorant. Harry implied that this was not the case and it had to do with the line of succession etc.

      • Lila says:

        Yes, and it wasn’t just about Archie’s skin tone. Meghan outright said there were concerns about what it would mean and look like. That part is being ignored by some. They were concerned about what it would look like for the BRF to have a brown family member.

      • Andrea says:

        My friend is African Canadian and has talked openly with me with having issues with her skin tone since she is the darkest in her family and openly mocked by family members because of it. Her family is originally from the Caribbean and skin tone apparently is a big deal there she says. She also has been fetishized by white men she has dated in the past, which is why she has a rule she will only date a white man who has had at least one bi-racial relationship. She is currently married to a white man. We openly have talked about skin tone in the context of books we both read (we read a book about passing called the Vanishing Half). I was unaware that skin tone was such a big deal among one’s own culture until I had open discussions with her.

        Obviously, what was said about Meghan was racist. But I do think in some contexts, you can have an open discussion about skin tone. I am very fair skinned for example for being half Italian and I have had a lot of people make jokes that I am adopted or they don’t believe that I am Italian. Obviously, not the same thing as discussing their baby, but should be mentioned nonetheless. Cruelty about skin tone is very alive and real and around the aristo WASP society probably discussed amongst closed doors.

    • tcbc says:


      You should change your username to Karen.

      Your affection for that desiccated white woman is no indicator of her character. Given her upbringing it would be shocking if she wasn’t a racist.

      It’s also messed up that when people are discussing white racism against POC, you bring up intra-POC colorism. Everyone can see what you’re doing, and your attempt to derail is not as clever as you think.

    • I know says:

      It’s normal because of colonialism and white supremacy. It’s very common where Lady C and I were born, in Jamaica too. It’s because of people like her why colorism is common there. Anywhere Europeans colonized, it’s normal. But it’s not right and has ugly intentions.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        But its beyond colorism tho. Its clearly smack dab in the middle of outright racism. M said not only were there “several conversations” the culprit had with Harry on this matter of their potential children (rmbr now, these convos occurred while M was pregnant with A), but that the concern was about “what that would look like and what that would mean” for the BRF.

        Now run along and spin some more. See if you can escape the elephant in the midst of THAT!

    • February-Pisces says:

      I think talking about skin tone can be normal if it’s like ‘who will the baby take after?’. But remember meghans words, she said there “were several discussions and concerns about the colour of his skin”. It wasn’t ‘who will the baby look like’, it’s was ‘concerns’ that was discussed multiple times. Meghan also said these discussions were in ‘tandem’ with archies title and taking away his security. They didn’t want a dark royal baby, so they took away as much royal status as they could. I reckon if they found a way to take archie out of the line of succession they absolutely would have. They probably discussed it.

    • SenseOfTheAbsurd says:

      Anne’s like the one family member who isn’t particularly plausible as the person who made that comment.

  7. Levans says:

    Remember Harry and Meghan said it was MULTIPLE conversations. I bet nearly all of them including Anne, Zara, Cain,etc.

    • FC says:

      Remember all their faces at the wedding when the pastor was preaching? They’ve ALL talked about it.

      • Miranda says:

        I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school, and as part of our Confirmation prep, we had to attend services of other denominations and religions, one of which was…I want to say Pentecostal? But it could’ve been another Charismatic denomination. Anyway, it was the type of service where the preacher puts his hand on someone’s forehead and they fall back, and people were speaking in tongues and all that. To a bunch of Catholic girls, it was definitely kinda bizarre, and a lot of us were biting our lips to keep a straight face, not necessarily because we were mocking them (though admittedly, a few girls probably were), but because it was awkward for us. But again, we bit our lips and covered our mouths to stifle nervous smiles or giggles. When we met with church members after the service, they acknowledged that it was probably rather strange for us, and thanked us for being polite. Based on that experience, I initially wanted to defend some of the guests at the H&M wedding, but when I went back and watched it again, it was SO CLEAR that most of them were just being blatantly disrespectful and mocking. They weren’t trying to disguise it at all. You’d think members of the royal family, of all people, would know a thing or two about etiquette, but apparently not.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        omg, those York girls… horrendously disrespectful.

      • what's inside says:

        That’s exactly what I was thinking.

      • Donna B. says:

        @Miranda, @NoSoSocialButterfly, @what’s inside says, you are all right.

  8. Jane says:

    ‘Culture’, ‘that ilk’ – and this explanation is supposed to make the situation better? If anything, it makes it far worse, taking it beyond potential curiosity about a superficial aspect of appearance into full blown character assassination of Meghan. This amps up the racism she was being subjected to rather than dialling it down.

    • Alissa says:

      seriously, it makes her sound like an absolute asshole and still racist. beyond that, they’re claiming that it was Megan not understanding the difference in cultures but it was Harry who had the conversation and related to Megan that they were asking about concerns that his skin would be too dark. are they trying to say that Harry is not aware of the culture?

      beyond that, I don’t think it was Anne. literally no one cares about Ann. My money is still on Charles. I know Anne is technically considered a senior royal but why in the world would she be the one having this conversation with Harry?

      • Becks1 says:

        Oh, but according to her, it was a conversation about culture and Meghan decided to “weaponize” it as a race conversation. Ick.

        Seriously this article is really gross. Anne decided the girl was unsuitable, the girl was not right for the monarchy or the country?

        Do these people even HEAR themselves?!?!?!

    • Soupie says:

      This was my first reaction to the entire article. Ilk? ILK??? Let’s talk about the actual ilk in that family. All of this is just worse and worse and worse. I wonder who was the original person to use that word? Was it this old crusty poser or somebody in the royal family or both?

    • FC says:

      It’s really funny because they’re painting her as the non-nonsense, savvy judge of character but ignorant of “other cultures” at the same time? Like one excuses the other? Also this whole story just proves Anne is the new Harry, sacrificial family member whose only job is to deflect from Will/Kate/Charles’s racist behavior.

  9. Tanguerita says:

    “OF THAT ILK”? This f–king “see you next tuesday”.

    • Quietly Kitten says:

      Tanguerita wins! That’s exactly what the “c” in Lady C stands for.

    • Lemons says:

      I wanted to smack this woman when I read that. We shouldn’t resort to violence, but gosh why are they so awful! Just disgusting words from a homely woman who goes about in bad costume makeup and costumes for clothes and gossips to make a living. What kind of culture or class does she have to speak of?

      And Meghan was perfect for the job. The rest of them suck at their jobs, including boring af Anne. That being said, I think they are just using Anne as a scapegoat because no one cares about Anne or her children. They’re hoping we’ll forget.

      • Nick says:

        I grew up in Jamaica, like Colin, and honestly I want to hurl every time her name comes up. I possibly might despise her. The story of how she obtained her fortune and property I leave to Wikipedia. Her pretensions to grandeur, and her obsequious behaviour towards the Royals has lead to her trying to shred the reputation of other, vulnerable females marrying in. She has angered me since her publishing the Diana book in the nineties. Now her spiteful podcast spreads disinformation to the unaware. She is loathsome.

  10. Seraphina says:

    My only thought, is that is was not Anne then H&M could certainly let that leak and then the circle of culprits get smaller. And I think it may have been Wills – that coupled with more than we know and some of what we know – would make sense of why Harry looks so pissed around him in the pics.
    The sentence about Anne worrying if Meghan had enough respect for the institution, reminds me of the scene where Thatcher was visiting their country “home” and she sat at the desk and PM fussed at her and told her no one sits there out of respect. As Meghan said: Nothing is what it seems. Smoke and mirrors.

    • Cecilia says:

      Im pretty sure it wasn’t anne tho. Meghan said that if she were to reveal the identity of this person it would be incredibly damaging. That kind of already means that it had to be one of the heirs because anne is simply not important enough. I bet that most people barely even know who anne is.

      • Becks1 says:

        This is my position. It’s not Anne because I just dont think it would be damaging to Anne. People would shrug and say, huh, Philip’s daughter is pretty racist, wow. Never saw that coming.

      • Seraphina says:

        Cecelia and Becks, agreed on all points.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Cecilia – Agree 100%. Anne may have said “something” but Anne was not the Senior Royal Meghan & Harry were referring to in the Oprah interview.

      • FC says:

        Anne is the scapegoat for sure. I REALLY hope H&M drop their receipts now.

      • Demi says:

        Anne didn’t even change her own hair or clothes since the 1970s :D I doubt she will concerning herself with others so much.. plus she looks friendly with H&M in the photos.

  11. Lauren says:

    What a hateful cow! She makes Anne come across as a classist ahole who totally hates American. I have just two thoughts on the matter, CH/Bp and KP are making Anne fall on Bill’s racist sword and that these people are idiots if they think they can convince people that it was a misunderstanding about cultures and not concerns about how dark Archie’s skin color would be.

  12. Enny says:

    Meghan spoke of multiple conversations, directly with Harry, specifically about what Archie would look like and how that would reflect on the family. What this c u next Tuesday is suggesting from Princess Anne is something very different. It may also have happened – but it’s not what Meghan revealed to Oprah.

    • Lemons says:

      Yeah, this has NOTHING to do with Archie’s skin color and touches on a whole other topic.

  13. sandy says:

    I am now so curious how they decided to throw anne under the bus?! that is a plot twist. we all know it wasn’t her, although now it may have been multiple people, but why is she set up as the scapegoat? i guess because she is far enough away from the crown?

    • Cecilia says:

      William and kate decided to throw her under the bus who else? Lol. I just want to know whether the queen is going to let them use one of her kids.

    • Harper says:

      I don’t think KP talks to Lady Colin Campbell. She just makes stuff up on her own and it’s too exhausting and insignificant to try and get her to shut up.

      • JT says:

        Lady Colin did get the tip about the birth certificate. Maybe KP goes to her for their more dirty stories, as it would be less obvious.

      • Becks1 says:

        I almost wonder if an RR uses Lady Colin Campbell. Like if there is something that an RR doesnt want to print on their own, they spill it to LCC and then they can write an article about what LCC said (even though she is just parroting back what they told her to say.) The story gets out there, LCC stays relevant, and there’s one additional step between LCC and KP.

      • Cecilia says:

        @becks1 i think that that might definitely be the case. I doubt lcc has any sources within the royal household but its clear other royal rota’s do. And it’s also mot uncommon for journo’s to be each other “sources”. So i can imagine a RR go to LCC and tell her what to write just to shield william.

      • JT says:

        @becks1 that’s a good theory, because going by this argument, she seems to just fly off the handle. She makes that Tominey woman seem sensible. I can see a RR giving her this “tip” to keep their hands clean. I don’t think the others would even dare to go after Anne in this way.

      • whateveryousay says:

        @JT and she went there about the birth certificates I think because someone from KP was hoping to use that to show once again look Meghan did something wrong here in order to hurt Kate and that blew up in their faces. Badly.

      • nutella toast says:

        Awwww…she seems so sweet though and not the least bit fame thirsty…

        “In June 2019, Campbell said that the Me Too movement was good in some ways, but also “prevented men from being men”. In August, Campbell appeared on Celebs Go Dating.
        In November she appeared on Good Morning Britain to defend Prince Andrew’s associations with deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who had been convicted of soliciting a minor for prostitution. In the interview, she claimed that Epstein was not a paedophile (since claiming him to be an ephebophile) and erroneously argued that there was a difference between “a minor and a child”. In 2021, she competed in the MTV series Celebs on the Farm.”

      • booboocita says:

        If I had to guess, I’d say that LCC managed to ooze her way into some gathering or other that featured Anne as the guest of honor, then tried to cozy up to her and was promptly rebuffed. Now she’s feeling vengeful and like she needs to suck up to the FFK and FFKQ, so she’s sliming Anne. Nothing came from KP, because they don’t speak to her — and given the stanning she does for them, they don’t have to.

        Really, has this woman even a nodding acquaintance with any senior royal? I’m thinking she may know some of the minor nobility staffers, but intimacy with the royal family? Dream on, cupcake.

    • bamaborn says:

      They can’t use Andrew even if he said something, Edward pretty much seems cordial towards the Sussexes, so Anne it was.

    • Emily_C says:

      She’s a woman. The rf always finds women to throw under the bus.

  14. Sofia says:

    Yeah I doubt it was Anne for the sole reason that Anne and Meghan seemed to get along. I remember them talking quite nicely during Eugenie’s wedding

    • Ginger says:

      They definitely seem friendly with Anne. Meghan looks uncomfortable around William and Harry looks like he wants to throttle him. They have barely interacted with Will and Kate since the wedding.

      • swirlmamad says:

        Exactly. People need to open their eyes and learn to read body language and what is happening in front of you. In the few photos I’ve seen of Meghan and Anne together, they always seem cordial and fine to chat and interact. Now Meghan and William? AWKWARD CITY, if they ever even look each other’s way at all.

    • MissMarierose says:

      Also, Anne’s son-in-law is a rugby player and grandson of a blacksmith. Her daughter-in-law is Canadian.
      There’s no way she would make that kind of comment about a entertainer who grew up middle class and lived in Canada for many years.

  15. sandy says:

    also the misunderstanding about “cultures” is just a dog whistle anyways. jesus. what did they think meghan couldn’t understand? how to mistreat your relatives and be cold?

  16. Cecilia says:

    William and kate are literally theowi g everybody under the bus😂

  17. Merricat says:

    But they are okay with the Middleton ilk? Snort.

  18. Cecilia says:

    Princess anne is many things but i don’t think that such a comment would ever come out of her mouth. She’s too wise for it.

    • Enny says:

      Anne may very well be a racist, classist ol’ biddy, but I, too, have difficulty seeing this as her. She always struck me as far too pragmatic to get herself bogged down in this sort of pettiness.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Anne is far too pragmatic and far too SMART to get booged down in this type of mess.

      • swirlmamad says:

        As I think several here have said, I just don’t think Anne cares enough anymore to get involved in that way. I’m sure when she was younger she was more about the sanctity of the institution, but I think now she just keeps her focus on her lane, her kids/grandkids, and gets on with it. She’s not losing sleep at night over what Harry and Meghan are doing.

  19. S808 says:

    The kicker is that could’ve been any of them. I do not put it past ANY of them to be the one to ask about Archie’s skin color. My main guesses are still William or Charles. People love Anne’s bitchy/blunt attitude and she isn’t nearly as popular, I doubt this would’ve been very damaging to her.

    • Sofia says:

      Agreed. I’ve said it before but the fact that you can make a case for literally anyone in the family having said it does not make them look good.

      • nutella toast says:

        @S808 @Sofia. Absolutely. If there is no one you can rule out easily, that’s all you need to know.

  20. A says:

    I thought from the beginning that it might be Anne, it just fits with her age, her class, etc. Also, I am not sure it was several conversations, even though Meghan said there were conversations parallel to the title talks while she was pregnant, Harry stated clearly that there was one conversation about the skin colour of future children while they were dating. I love them and wish they would have been more consistent with this statement as it can be so easily used against them.

    • ABritGuest says:

      Harry talks about ‘that conversation’ at the beginning & I think this was where family member(s) raises issue possibly in very blunt terms about baby skin tone & thats why he said he wouldn’t divulge it- it probably came across as explicitly prejudiced & that’s usually only type of prejudice that Brits recognise.

      However I don’t believe for a second there was only ever one conversation discussing the skin tone of the first baby with African heritage in the royal family in modern times. Even CNN had a foul headline about how black the royal baby would be just before the birth. my guess is most of their circle& staff would have had some chatter about what their baby would look like whilst she was pregnant – some curious some dripping with microaggressions.

      So I don’t think it’s about inconsistencies necessarily- I can imagine there were conversations happening when Meghan was pregnant that she could have recognised as problematic more easily than Harry because micro aggressions were used& Brits usually dance around race. remember he said it was a learning process trying to be in Meghan’s shoes& learning about unconscious bias etc.

    • Brielle says:

      Could it be Harry had a conversation with William before he married Meghan and then William asked him or laughed awkwardly about the baby skin color…and once Meghan was pregnant courtiers started having conversations with Harry about titles and baby skin color’.At the end,people in this institution asked about his son’s color and what it meant and that institution want to claim the commonwealth which is at least 50% brown…

    • bloemheks says:

      This was the only item in the interview which threw me for a bit of a loop. Harry seemed caught off guard and wanted to shut down the subject. He did seem to directly contradict Meghan that the conversation(s) happened before they were married while Meghan seemed to indicate they were during her pregnancy. It may be that Harry didn’t tell her about the conversations until she was pregnant. Meghan was obviously in a very bad way when she was pregnant. It’s not surprising her memory or interpretations may not be precise. I’ve been there and while you definitely know what’s happening, chronology and specific details can get mixed up. This would especially be true of someone in the middle of a gaslighting campaign against them.

      • Becks1 says:

        My guess is there are a few possibilities –

        1) There was one big convo with Harry and William (guys I’m dying on this hill, lol) and that’s when “things were said that could not be unsaid” and the rift started. So only one big convo.

        2) Harry doesnt tell Meghan about this until she’s pregnant and all the drama about the HRH and security etc – like something clicks in his head about it all, or he didnt want to upset her before the wedding, etc. So there are undercurrents about this in Harry’s mind, but it’s not said aloud again, and in Meghan’s mind its linked to her pregnancy bc that’s when she found out about it.

        3) still just the one big convo, but then all future conversations about the baby are tainted by that big one – so a casual comment like “I wonder who the baby will look like!” meant in a completely inoffensive, cute way like you do when someone is pregnant becomes much more loaded to the Sussexes, even if the actual speaker did not mean in this way. I DO NOT BELIEVE Lady colin campbell here people but let’s just play along – maybe Anne was the one who made the inoffensive comment and she was taken aback by the reaction, but only because she didnt know about the “one big convo” that was shaping H&M’s reactions.

        (I dont believe this bc I dont believe that LCC has any connection to Anne and would know this.)

        None of these things in my mind are inconsistent with what H&M were saying, it just all got kind of tangled up. I honestly think the interview started out at a nice pace, and by the end as all of *this* kind of stuff was coming out, it got a little more complicated bc there was a LOT coming out once Harry walked in.

        I also think its entirely possible that there WAS more than one conversation, like Meghan said, but for Harry it all boils down to the big conversation before the wedding (with William obviously.)

      • Betsy says:

        @Becks1 – I’ll die with you on that hill. It was William. I haven’t imagined the exact scenarios, but it was William. I’d even go so far as to say that Charles may have also had clueless and hurtful conversations around that issue with Harry, but that William’s had racist, offensive meaning that Harry wasn’t willing to overlook. I think Charles is capable of being a heel, but I do think he tries to improve and grow. I think William gets worse and worse with each passing year, more entrenched in his hatred.

      • Brielle says:

        @Becks1 I’ll die on that hill too :William and courtiers…but do you think Harry hided a lot to Meghan not wanting to hurt her or fearing that he might loose her…

    • Couch potato says:

      It was crystal clear it was plural conversations. Oprah asked …there was A conversation…, and Meghan clarified it was more than one.

    • Truthiness says:

      I’ve wondered if one of the people discussing skin color is Andrew. He is vehemently Anti Meghan. He’s out there riding horses daily at Windsor with whom? There have been stories that Fergie is a leaker in the past couple years of anti Meghan material and the House of York is benefiting the most. The more this dominates the airwaves the less mentions of Epstein and Andrew’s involvement with trafficked teens and whatever that Pitch at the Palace scam was.

  21. Harla says:

    My jaw actually dropped while reading this. Does this person realize , in the slightest, how she sounds? How ignorant and cruel she has revealed herself to be. The most distressing part for me, is how many people will read this and nod their heads in agreement.

  22. Scorpion says:

    For those saying Anne wouldn’t say this blah blah, need a reality check. These people are polite in public but behind doors, it’s a different story. If the walls of those palaces could talk…

    • Becks1 says:

      I think Anne would absolutely say or think something like this, I’m just not sure she would be the one to say it to Harry before he got married and to have an actual conversation about it with him. They were all probably saying or thinking it behind closed doors. But who actually had the conversation with Harry about it?

      • swirlmamad says:

        I agree with Becks1, Anne certainly has proven herself to be blunt and tactless enough to certainly say or think something like this, but I just don’t think she would go out of her way to say it to Harry. Not that she didn’t have the guts to (she would say something without thinking twice, I’m sure), but she’s just not pressed enough to care about Charles’ kid’s life, not to mention the one who is like 6 people away from the throne at this point.

    • S808 says:

      Anne could definitely say something like this and I’m sure she did within her circle but I highly doubt it was a discussion she had with H&M. Outside of gossip I can’t imagine her caring enough to initiate or even be apart of the discussions.

  23. Over it says:

    They all had this conversation however william is the only one arrogant enough to think he could use this to get Harry to bend to his will and leave Meghan. So yes still Willy leaks

  24. manda says:

    I can’t for the life of me see how this woman finds her explanation, regarding culture (!?), to not be racist. It’s also just disgusting to me that the explanation is essentially, “she wasn’t being racist, she was only being classist!” eww. I can’t imagine dealing with these people. Meghan must be in super love

  25. Becks1 says:

    First – this makes Anne look HORRIBLE. Does Lady Colin C think she’s helping anne? she makes her look racist, classist, and xenophobic. Anne may be all those things, but lets not act like those are positives. The dog whistles in this article….whew.

    Second – I know some people here insist that Lady Colin C is very well connected, and maybe she is among the aristocracy, but not among the royals. She has no clue who actually had this conversation.

    Third and finally – yeah, it wasnt Anne. Maybe Anne had some of those conversations about Meghan fitting in or whatever, but Anne wouldnt have been the one to sit down with Harry before the wedding and say “now what about the skin color? how dark will the baby be?” Does anyone think Anne cares that much about her potential great-nephew? She had 3 grandkids of her own at that point, Zara was pregnant again – I just dont think she has the time to counsel Harry on his marriage and future kids.

    We have seen Anne and Meghan in particular seem like they get along, which could be a facade, but I dont think so.

    Also, these conversations were apparently linked to the convo about security and titles, things that Anne would have nothing to do with.

    Nice try Lady Colin C, but it just wasnt Anne who had that particular conversation.

    • windyriver says:

      Question – in the days after the interview, I was sure I had heard Harry make a comment of his own, in addition to what Meghan said, about it being damaging to reveal the identity of the person/discuss things further, but while Meghan referred to “them”, Harry said “he”. I mentioned it in a comment on one of the articles here around that time.

      That’s still my recollection – but I went back and watched the interview again, and it’s not there. Possibly it was in an additional clip when Oprah was on the morning show on Monday; I still have that recorded as well though haven’t rewatched it yet.

      Does anyone else remember Harry saying this?

      • Becks1 says:

        I dont remember Harry using a pronoun. I remember them both being very careful. I think Harry used a lot of passive voice -”a conversation was had, things were said” etc. But, I could be wrong.

      • windyriver says:

        Went through the morning show tape, didn’t see anything additional except that Harry wanted to make it clear it wasn’t TQ or Philip who talked about it. So I guess I was mistaken, though my recollection seems so clear. Never mind!

        On that subject though, Oprah was asked (paraphrasing) whether she was surprised to hear something like that discussion going on in the palace, or surprised Harry/Meghan told her about it. She said she was surprised they told her about it…

        Still think it was William who voiced the “concern”, at least initially, with a possible follow up by Charles…

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        windyriver, although I think the entire family id capable of saying this, I believe it was William. I also wouldn’t be surprised if W & C used it during the no security talks. Meghan said “them”, maybe to throw people off the trail, or because it was “them”. I think this came out during the interview, because it’s Harry’s way of saying goodbye to the white supremacists. If they had any thoughts that he might return, I would think this would put paid to that.

  26. BeesNest says:

    I can totally believe this exact conversation happened, I just don’t think it was Anne having it with Harry. This sounds like a PWT conversation.

  27. Harper says:

    Harry and Meghan could care less what Anne thinks. Anne is in her 70s and her reputation for being crusty is already set. They were definitely not pointing a finger at her on Oprah because Anne isn’t relevant to their lives. But nice try William. I’m sure Anne did say all those things about Meghan and that she told Harry not to marry her, and that Colin Campbell knew about those conversations. So in Colin Campbell’s pea brain, she heard everything H&M said through that filter and can’t help but give away that yes, the family was always against Meghan and enjoyed watching the media torture her to the edge of suicide. Where is that crisis manager again?

  28. Phoenix says:

    Is William throwing his aunt under the bus now lol
    I am 99% sure it was William for various reasons. I leave out this 1% because with this family you never know.

  29. Emile says:

    It was obviously William who said it, hence the massive fallout between him and Harry and Tom Bradby (or Tim Shipman?) saying that “things were said that cannot be taken back”. I always knew that it wasn’t either the Queen or Prince Philip (even while watching the interview) because a 90-something year old person saying something racist wouldn’t surprise/shock you to your core. It was definitely someone in H&M’s generation, as that would hit much harder because you’d expect them to know better.

    Now Baldy is throwing Anne under the bus to protect himself, knowing that Anne probably wouldn’t respond to this. Interesting that he’s also using Lady Colin Campbell as his mouthpiece — wasn’t she the one that came out with the bullshit Archie birth certificate story that weekend when Kate was being dragged left and right for saying she’s “exhausted”? Lady C is clearly a KP mouthpiece.

    Oh well, now that H&M is out of the picture (and the leaks have become less potent) the remaining Windsors will spend the next few years and decades throwing one another under the bus in this way. My popcorn is ready.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      It would be extremely damaging to William because he’s the one who’s currently positioning himself as an anti-racist advocate. THAT’s why he’s the one who would be most damaged by such a claim.

  30. Ines says:

    Princess Anne could have got on with Meghan and also think she was “unsuitable”.

    • Humbugged says:

      She married 2 commoners herself ,her son married a Catholic from Canada and her son in law was a Rugby player

  31. Lizzie says:

    It was Kate. Harry and William don’t speak. William has been very over the top vocal about how upset he is that Meghan mentioned Kate. Kate has always been jealous of Meghan. It all fits.

    • MsIam says:

      I don’t think so. There is no way that if Kate said something racist, especially about her baby, Meghan would call her a great person, even with air quotes. I definitely think its William.

  32. Amy Bee says:

    BS. It was William.

  33. aquarius64 says:

    KP throwing another royal under the bus?

  34. Bren says:

    Maybe it was decided that it’s Anne’s turn to take one for the team. Anne’s an elder stateswoman and no one would ever question her about it or hold it against her.

    I still don’t believe it was Anne who had that discussion with Harry.

  35. Rapunzel says:

    Honestly, I am pretty sure this conversation about skin color wasn’t just “what if the baby is dark?” or “I wonder how dark the baby will be?” It may have started out that way but I’m pretty sure Meg and Harry could have forgiven that as simple awkwardness.

    I will always believe, until Meg or Harry say otherwise, that the conversation eventually turned into “what if the baby looks like a n—?”
    or “You can’t have a black baby.”

    Either someone used a racial slur or specifically said M&H shouldn’t have the baby because of its mixed race. I think either of those are unforgivable and explain the upset. Saying “concerns” was being diplomatic.

    Frankly, I’m pretty sure specific slurs were involved, and it’s William, who doesn’t understand the outrage because “it was a joke” or something such defense.

    I’ve always thought using a racial slir was about the only thing that could cause such a quick, sharp divide between Diana’s sons.

    It’s not Anne.

    • Sofia says:

      Or one conversation kept turning into multiple conversations. Having a few conversations here and there could be chalked up to ignorance (whether or not it’s on purpose is another story). But having the same conversation over and over again, with perhaps a worrying and serious tone is what made the Sussexes know that they weren’t *just* “curious” questions.

    • Becks1 says:

      I can see this, especially the racial slur. Before this interview, one of my theories about the falling out between Harry and William was that he used a racial slur to refer to Meghan. I can see him using one to refer to the baby, and probably thinking he was being hilarious.

      People try to explain away this conversation by saying it wasnt meant in a racist way, it was just curiosity – but Harry is the one who was there and he was offended and shocked by the conversation, so I dont think it was just curiosity.

    • windyriver says:

      Meghan said there were “concerns about how dark his skin might be when he was born.” Concerns, not curiosity. She also said “there’s several conversations” “with Harry”.

      Am rewatching my tape from Oprah’s day after appearance on CBS, looking for something else I thought Harry said. They replayed that section of the interview as the intro to the show.

    • bloemheks says:

      Something that doesn’t get talked about much is that Harry and Meghan couldn’t really wait to get married if they wanted to have children. It’s not a secret William wanted them to wait. It seems innocuous enough on the surface. He waited 10 years to make sure Kate was the right one. Harry should wait to be sure Meghan is the right one. But that wouldn’t really work for them if they want to have a family and surely William understood this.

      If he was the one concerned about the baby’s skin color it definitely would have been just fine with him for them to wait while it became more difficult for Meghan to get pregnant and carry a baby to term. A typical 40-year-old has about a 40% chance of losing the pregnancy. Meghan was 37 when she had Archie, then a miscarriage, and is now 39. They really couldn’t have afforded to wait even another year.

      While William gets to be this protective brother who isn’t telling Harry not to Marry Meghan, but just to wait a while, he’s also communicating it’s just fine with him for Harry not to have children should he not “come to his senses” and give Meghan up.

    • CC2 says:

      I think the conversation was more of less what Meghan implied.

      They discussed about Archie getting Doria’s features such as tanned skin or curls, and they were talking about what it would means for a Prince to look like that (not white) and that would upset their base because they need to act English. And hence, it would be better for Archie to not have any titles as to not taint the image of English royalty.

      Both the title and the race has to be linked in order for Meghan to say it’s a safe assumption that he didn’t get titles over the skin.

      The fact that it happened before the marriage too also shows some uneasiness about the phenotype of her children

      • sunhine says:

        I agree CC2. I think the conversation centered around what they were going to do if Archie looked visibly like a POC. It shouldn’t matter because his phenotype doesn’t change his ancestry, but it still does on many parts of the world

      • Demi says:

        That’s exactly what I’m thinking.. they were concerned that Archie won’t look English enough to represent the BRF..

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      I’m in agreement with what you wrote Rapunzel. This was not a casual conversation. I believe the words were deliberate, caustic and egregious in nature(along with racist). You could feel/see the pain Harry was feeling when he spoke about it. The kind of pain only a sibling or parent could inflict. Even an aunt you’re close to doesn’t bring out that type of pain. Will is the King of Causing the Pain. It probably was Harry’s “Et tu, Brute” end of all things moment.

      Would not be surprised if Harry accidentally-on-purpose hit the handy record button on his cell phone during these conversations. I’m guilty of recording an in person conversation with someone I didn’t trust. Came in handy when they wanted to build their tangled web of deceit. Receipts.

      Anne is too old and reliant on monarchy funds now to say say peace out motherf#ckers for trying to paint me out as the guilty party. It would be extraordinary and awe inspiring if she did just that.

      William seems to love the whispering courtiers/rota/anonymous whatevers. If he would recognize the importance of owning up to his mistakes/words and moving forward in a way that shows more integrity..he could have a chance to rehab his image globally.

      But, no. Will’s favorite song to sing is Shaggy’s ‘It wasn’t Me’ .

  36. Noor says:

    Their PR wheel is churning . First saved the 2 heirs and fingered an elderly royal. Then totally absolved that elderly royal by putting the blame solely on Prince Harry and Meghan for misunderstanding and ended by smearing Meghan as unsuitable to marry into the Royal Family.

    • Bren says:

      Agreed, that’s exactly what is happening. They will continue to chip away until the royal family is held blameless and everything is Meghan’s fault for being born black and American.

  37. Jay says:

    Wow, this woman is really out of touch with reality. If she’s really trying to help Anne, she’s doing a horrible job.

    However, the royals have tried REALLY hard to bury this part of the Oprah interview, and now that Lady Colin has churned it up again, I feel like there will be more leaking, more denials, and more intrerpalace intrigue, with everyone in that circle being forced to take a side. Maybe they should ask those crisis managers to start a month early?

    I believe that Anne and probably everyone in that family had “concerns” about Meghan that were racist, but I don’t think Anne would have been advising Harry about his love life or babies, fwiw. The fact that it really could be any/ all of them says it all.

    Last, while Meghan and Harry said to name the person would be “too damaging”, I think that was just a way to not accuse anybody directly and have the entire interview be parsing the comments about Archie and losing focus on the rest. I don’t think it is necessarily a clue to how “big” the name is.

  38. MsIam says:

    I definitely think its William. For one thing Harry doesn’t want to be around him. Plus, when the “exile to Africa” story first appeared, and the idea was supposedly pushed by William, H&M said the only people they were taking advice from was the queen, Philip and Charles. Not William. They’ve already said the Queen and Philip aren’t guilty. At the time of the Africa article, which was after Archie was born they were still getting along with Charles. But the rift rumors about William and Harry were already out there. Something happened with William, to the point that he and Harry have no relationship. The press tried to make it about Kate and Meghan but it was the brothers. Plus I’ve never seen Meghan and William interact in public.

  39. Bex says:

    The reason I don’t think it was Anne who had multiple conversations/concerns about Meghan OR Archie’s skin color is that conversation wouldn’t have mattered enough to Harry. She’s his aunt, and is Archie’s great-aunt. While he cares about her, her opinion/acceptance doesn’t matter in the scheme of things.

    But you know what WOULD matter to a man who’s only immediate family consisted of his dad and brother at the time? That his father and brother not only didn’t support his relationship, but ALSO that these people were CONCERNED about what their grandson/nephew’s skin color would look like. So “concerned” that this was mentioned multiple times. If the stories are true that these two roped in OTHERS to plead their case (I remember an article about William asking Charles Spencer to intervene because he had “concerns about the speed of the relationship), what’s to say they didn’t orchestrate this?

    As well, Anne’s son-in-law was a professional athlete and her daughter-in-law was a bartender (and foreign). I highly doubt she’d care THAT much who her nephew fell in love with.

  40. Becks says:

    By not naming names, Harry and Meghan made the whole Royal Family paranoid.

    1. Anne’s daughter in law is Canadian so why would she suddenly be worried about an American joining the family?
    2. Even if she did say it, since when does Charles or William consult Anne on how the monarchy will run?

    She might have said shit. But she isn’t the one Harry was talking about. None of them know who Harry is referring to because they all said something and now they’re outing themselves by trying to get ahead of Harry outing them. This won’t be the last story of a royal revealing they said something that meghan misunderstood as racist.

    May can’t come soon enough for this PR nightmare.

  41. Snuffles says:

    Let’s be real, I’m sure everyone in the family was talking shit behind their backs. But the two that would upset Harry the MOST and the most to lose if revealed would be Charles and William. With William being the most upsetting to Harry because his generation should know better and the fact that Harry had been nothing but completely supportive of Kate and the kids.

  42. Elizabeth says:

    Anything “Lady Colin” says, including her name which is a tenuous claim to a title from a marriage that ended decades ago and lasted a handful of months, is going to be fake and twisted. Plus first she claims Anne attacked Meghan’s character and then no slight of any kind was meant. Actually, attacking someone’s character IS a slight, more than a slight, it’s a profound insult. She’s lost in her own tangle of ideas.

    William is the obvious one here. We know his relationship with Harry is a complete wreckage. He and Harry have both been vocal about their division. Or Charles, who actually took away the financial support and security. The conversations about skin color being dark were tied to the child’s title and security. Anne would have no say in Harry’s children’s titles or security. Prince of Wales (de facto regent) and his eldest son, in the other hand, would. And let me just say how shocked I still am that Charles (who has all the money and power in the world) would take security AND financial support away from his own child and grandchild, knowing the death threats and volatility of the situation and the tragedy of Harry’s mother. That would be genuinely unforgivable to me. But it’s pretty clear William is the one Harry still can’t reconcile with.

    • TabithaD says:

      I was just coming on to say the same about LCC. She claims to have some kind of inside knowledge about the RF but I very much doubt this. Her title is from a very brief marriage in the 70’s, she’s not of aristocratic blood herself, and in recent years she’s even been doing the round of reality TV shows – none of this gives her credibility as a Royal “source” IMO.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I believe I read somewhere that LCC stated she was “doing the round of reality TV shows” only as a means to finance the restoration and renovations to her country house.

  43. IRMAVEP says:

    William is still Suspect Number One as the utterer of the baby’s dark skin tone remark. IMO and Anne merely a deflection. Firstly William was proximal to Harry at that time – both were living at KP and they also shared offices and staff at BP. But it was an earlier remark, reportedly by William, which raised my antenae. William had ‘allegedly’ had a very skewed conversation with Harry when Harry and Meghan were about to become engaged. William said that what Harry was feeling was ‘lust’, not love for Meghan. It rang a ‘tin note’ at the time – I couldn’t envisage William saying that about Chelsea or Cressida or any of Harry’s other girlfriends – that they were only objects of lust, and not worthy of love. It sounded uncomfortably colonialist-racist – in a way it’s hard to adequately define – but it was as though William could imagine only white [European] girls being the recipients of Harry’s love.

    • swirlmamad says:

      Well, sure. I can agree with this totally. Throughout history black women have been seen as “bedwarmers” and only something to be “experimented with”, as they have been hypersexualized and stereotyped as being fast and loose (I am saying this as a black woman who understands the history behind this). For William, being at the center of the most classist and colonialist institutions in history, he couldn’t fathom his brother truly and deeply falling in love with the type of woman only deemed worthy of booty calls and 2 am hookups in those circles — if you had any sort of inclination to get involved at all. Especially when he only feels companionship at best for his own dull, oatmeal English rose wife. It’s completely foreign to him.

    • bloemheks says:

      There was a time when actress was practically synonymous with prostitute in the UK. This is a family stuck in the past. Of course, all Harry felt for Meghan was lust. It must have made him absolutely furious to have William disrespect Meghan and her accomplishments that way. Meghan was already much more than an actress, but even if she hadn’t been it was horrible to characterize her as someone who could only garner lust from a Prince and not love.

  44. Who’d believe this woman LCC? She lied about Diana. She’s a propagandist of the royal family. She’s very combative and can lie through her teeth. Don’t believe a word she says. It’s not Princess Anne who’s concerned about Archie’s skin. It’s the other brother William.

  45. ABritGuest says:

    Anyway I thought the palace& press would be too busy discrediting Meghan as a liar and would ignore the more grave claims. As I said above I bet all in the family had a gossip about what the baby would look like- some more snarky/harmful then others.

    That Anne is being outed here tells me it’s widely known that the skin tone concerns thing absolutely did happen but they are trying to get ahead of any possible reveal& will just claim that the Sussexes were being over sensitive. This will resonate in a country where the government just published report saying there’s no evidence of institutional racism& about the positive effects of slavery.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      Anne isn’t really being outed. She’s the current scapegoat. Whilst it might resonate with some in England, it won’t resonate with the majority in the rest of the world. Which, unfortunately to the BRF’s myopic view of themselves and England, is much bigger and important than they want to acknowledge.

  46. Julia K says:

    Archbishop of Canterbury, who had multiple conversations with the couple pre wedding and whose reputation would be damaged if found out, is the primary suspect, imo.

  47. Jumpingthesnark says:

    So Anne is racist AF too? I mean, sure, I believe that. At this point I’d believe it if 7 of them were to have said it.

  48. Midge says:

    It was William and it happened early on when he warned Harry to slow down with THAT woman.

    • Betsy says:

      I doubt the most offensive comments were before the wedding; William and Harry were still pretty chummy at the front of the church.

  49. swirlmamad says:

    I wish this old bitch (Lady Colin C) eternal papercuts for the rest of her life.

    Not ONE word of what she said would exonerate ANYONE of what she is claiming. “Ilk”? “Respect”? Sounds like a whole lotta racist dogwhistles to me.

  50. Cessily says:

    Wow, all I can say is I am extremely grateful to say I am not British. I wouldn’t want to be in a society that supports a Monarchy system that is so arrogantly blind and absolutely riddled with racist cutthroats.. H & M didn’t release this, So until they say a name I believe none of this. (Also H & M do not need to name anyone, the rancid releases from those “sources and Royal insiders” have led to multiple choices)

  51. Tessa says:

    NO way it’s Anne. But Cambridge stans will probably believe Lady Campbell, who clung to the title from a short lived marriage even though her ex wanted her to stop using the title.

  52. IRMAVEP says:

    I feel saddened when I hear words or phrases which indicate ‘otherness’ being used to define people who are not part of a dominant political or cultural group. ‘Non-white’, for example, as though ‘white’ is the norm, and any other ethnicity is ‘non’ – ‘non-white’, ‘non-European’ etc. When Meghan referred to herself as ‘a person of colour’ this term seemed designed to define her as other – Europeans are not required to identify themselves ‘a person of white’. In the 1960s there was a huge debate about the power of language to define, to include, or to alienate, members of the community. ‘African-American’ for instance, seemed [and IMO still is,] discriminatory, when everyone else is just described as an ‘American’ . I don’t know what the solution is, but surely lexicographers could come up with better, less exclusionist, ways to refer to individuals from national or cultural groups. Any ideas?

    • Carrie says:

      Very, very well put and I agree wholeheartedly.

    • Couch potato says:

      I think we need that debate again. I thought we’d come much further but the resent years have been a sad demonstration of how wrong I was. I agree with you about the division between ‘African-American’ and ‘American’. If Americans were to be divided into where their ancestors came from, the only ones who should be called ‘American’ are the native Americans. I can’t say for sure, but it might have become a term to avoid using the word black, because that was more tainted and used by racist at the time.

  53. Keri says:

    I can’t believe those people are willing to throw Anne under the bus when she is one of the hardest working royals in that group of lazy asshats. FWIW, I don’t think Anne said it, not that I don’t think she can’t be an entitled snob. But Meghan & Harry wouldn’t be so reluctant to name names unless it was someone very close to them. Just goes to show, no matter how loyal or hard you work for that family and toe the line, they will still throw you under the bus to protect the heirs.

    I hope Meghan and Harry publicly deny it. In fact, I hope they keep denying whoever that family decides to throw under the bus until only Charles and William are left to speculate about.

    • IRMAVEP says:

      Keri I agree, Annes too far removed from Harry to hold an ‘up close and personal’ conversation with him regarding the appearance of his baby’s skin. William is far more likely to be the culprit IMO given his arrogance. However, I have some reservations about exactly how hard Anne works. After a careful examination of the Court Circular for a week or so, it appears that Anne’s activities [with the exception of ceremonial events] comprise mainly brief and meaningless visits to chat to staff at charity shops. She can fit several of these brief visits into a single morning then rack up four or five activities on the CC. This ‘hard working Anne’ label has now become something of a myth, repeated so often it’s taken as gospel. Anne’s not bad for a royal, but I do question the value of, and the time spent on, her official duties.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “This ‘hard working Anne’ label has now become something of a myth, repeated so often it’s taken as gospel.”

        One of the constant comments made by Royal biographers and Royal historians on Anne’s work ethic is that she is more that willing to do the generic “bread and butter” engagements that no other Royals really want to do.

        With the exception of Charles, Anne is the only Royal who actively pursues this type of Royal engagements. The Vanity Fair article marking Anne’s 70th birthday went into great detail about her Royal work engagements and her private work for “Save the Children”.

      • Niamh says:

        I honestly believe the Queen might have abdicated if Anne would be the successor, not Charles. Anne seems to be the only one out of the bunch who would not mess it up.

  54. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    “………who will spin things destructively to further their agenda.”


  55. Brielle says:

    I think it was William hence the fallout with Harry but what I care the most about is that this racist institution treated a baby not even born like a real threat to the monarchy and led his mother to suicide ideations….and nobody(even Eugénie whom she knew before Harry) helped her(except Harry who was powerless)

    • MsIam says:

      You know I have mixed feelings about Eugenie. She is living in the Sussexes old house with their permission so I guess things are good between them? But I think it gets down to money and control for these folks. None have any real money of their own, at least not enough to support the lifestyles they are currently in. In fact all of the royals seemed to marry people of lesser means, except Kate and Meghan. I think they are the only two who could really get up and walk away without depending on a settlement from the royals. I think that access to money is how they control the family members and make everyone afraid to speak up or step out of line. Also, maybe they threatened Eugenie with not protecting her slimy dad if she said anything favorable about H&M.

      • BayTampaBay says:


        ETA: We still do not know the whole 100% truth about Frogmore Cottage. BP, CH and KP really need to come clean about the whole Frogmore Cottage mess.

      • Humbugged says:

        It’s not Eugenie or Bea .The whole 6 of them went off to Mischa Nonoo’s wedding together as 1 group and Eug/Jack knew about Meg months before everone else.

        And Meg relayed again how friendly Eug was in the intrview .They are living in their house because the 4 of them decided it was a good idea .There is no mess Harry/Eug decided is was a great idea and that is that

      • Brielle says:

        @humbugged,I never said it was Eugenie: I said nobody helped her or defended her…even the first nasty story was about how Meghan stole the show at Eugenie wedding by announcing her pregnancy!

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Humbugged – I was not referring to Jack and Eugenie as the “mess” but referring to the lies printed by the tabloids, and BP, CH and KP not issuing any statements to clarify the situation with Frogmore Cottage as the “mess”.

      • ennie says:

        In the far-away event that Me and H separate and there were a settlement, Meghan and the children would need the best security available. The craziness and trolls around her are because of this marriage, causes by the R F and their minions. They need it now, and were not acknowledged.

      • bloemheks says:

        @Brielle Eugenie threw some major shade the way she announced the birth of August on Instagram without a full photo and then took much longer to announce the baby’s name with a photo of her and the baby. I think it’s hard for us to imagine the level of control these people are under. I agree with @MsIam that much of their control is through financial dependence on those who hold the keys to the funds. That and the very real fear they and their family members will be hounded and smeared by the press if they say anything remotely derogatory about the RF.

    • Chelsea says:

      Given how financially dependent the minor royals are on the senior royals and how much power the senior royals have wirh the press i dont know what Eugenie could have done publicly and it’s possible she was supportive privately. The more time goes by the more I wonder whether it was actually someone close to Eugenie who complained about the Archie announcement or if it was a plant by W&K or Charles because i feel like Meghan specifically mentioning that she knew Eugenie before she met Harry and that she and Fergie came to check on her and help her with her curtsy was a deliberate attempt to protect Eugebie from getting thrown under the bus.

      I know in years past W,K, and C used to use the York girls as shields and i feel like if Meghan hadn’t said that they’d be trying to throw them under the bus like Anne right now. It doesn’t strike me as a concidence that we got that People exclusive claiming Eugenie wasnt mad about the Montecito baby announcement and that they were all on good terms right around the time this interview was filmed. (The other point i think she was trying to make with that anecdote was a reminder that other Windsor wives have been subject to mental health issues after marrying into this family and dealing with their hostility and that ironically of the most recent Windsor brides it was the messy one who stepped into try and help her while the seemingly perfect one did jackall).

  56. Sid says:

    Yeah, it was definitely William who expressed concerns about skin color.

    • SenseOfTheAbsurd says:

      William has to be prime suspect, but there isn’t really anybody you could confidently rule out.

      Can imagine them having the conversation that they’re all under suspicion, but William can’t be expected to take responsibility for his shitty actions, because heir, they all stand around awkwardly waiting for somebody to crack, then finally Anne can’t be bothered with the dithering any more, and says “feck it, I’ll throw myself on the grenade if the rest of you are too chickenshit”, and some lackey goes off to feed the story to LCC.

  57. TheOriginalMia says:

    So, we’re just supposed to believe Lady C would have intimate knowledge of conversations between Harry and his family. I do not. I think the same person who gave Lady C info for her book and access to Meghan’s records is the same person who made the comments about Archie and his siblings’ color. It was William. WILLIAM. I seriously hope Anne calls him up and cusses him out because Anne is not for play play. I can see her cutting William to the quick.

  58. Vanessa says:

    I believe it was William who asked rudely about Archie skin color this just Kensington Palace throwing another spare under the Bus knowing that Anne won’t have her people correct the story . Because Anne no longer involved her in the back and forth with the press Anne is just another scrap goat for William to use some one who swears the royal family very much not racist sure is doing the most to point the finger at everyone else but himself . I think there more damaging racist things that William has said about Meghan and Archie he definitely afraid of that coming out too that’s why he so desperately trying to spin different narratives and placed blame on other royal family members . The only two people who this whole skin color conversation would damage are William and Charles . I think William is the guilt party

  59. equality says:

    How does seeming to feel superior to Americans and acting like Meghan is crass because she is American any sort of diplomacy? Isn’t that supposed to be the function of the royals, diplomacy? They can kiss Trump’s ___ for the sake of deals but can’t be nice to Meghan? And “Lady” C can’t have it both ways: Anne had concerns about Meghan but her being of mixed race didn’t factor in that but she just happened to mention skin color amongst those concerns? An attack on Meghan’s character (with no reason mentioned beyond being American) is supposed to be less offensive than an attack on her skin tones? This woman is incredibly ignorant. And how, with a family where you can search any member with the word “scandal” and get numerous results, do the BM manage to sell this “morally superior” RF garbage?

  60. Likeyoucare says:

    I’m sorry to say this, but i think maybe one of that person is george.
    Remember the story that george told someone at the park that his name is archie, before archie is even born.
    Maybe he listened to his parents conversations and repeated what they said.

    • Sofia says:

      I hope this is sarcasm. I doubt a then 5 going onto 6 year old is going up to his uncle and saying these things. Plus Harry would have likely brushed it off because George is a kid.

      And Archie is actually not that rare of a name amongst aristos. So it’s possible there’s an Archie in George’s class. Or he heard potential baby names from the Sussexes. There are a few aristos with that name, especially the Scottish ones.

  61. NL says:

    I mean, is Lady C especially renowned for being unbiased and accurate?

  62. Lionel says:

    I mean, sure. Anne might have said it, I can believe that. But I don’t believe she was THE ONE who said it. Why? Because nobody would be surprised and therefore it’s not “damaging.” Same rationale I used for Philip, when he was still on the list, despite his being the most likely culprit.

    IMO, the only people who could be “damaged” by the revelation are Elizabeth, Charles, Camilla, William, and Kate. Elizabeth and Kate have been absolved by M&H. (Kate with the “she’s a good person” comment.) Camilla is the sleeper candidate here, but if she said it it might have led to the rift between H and Charles, assuming Charles defended his wife.

  63. WithTheAmerican says:

    Daily Fail is literally reporting what someone who wants there claims she was told and the motives of people they are not speaking to based in someone who… was NOT there.

    This is nothing but garbage bus rolling over Anne, who frankly seems too plain spoken to be bothered hiding if she had something like this and had no power to deny security and titles.

    • WithTheAmerican says:

      Plus, didn’t princess anne reject the offer of titles for her kids? Why would she give a fig what Harry did re titles for his son.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Anne & Mark Phillips refused the title of Earl offered by QEII to Mark Phillips which would have automatically made Peter Phillips a Viscount and Zara Phillips a Lady.

        QEII made this same offer to Margert and Anthony Armstrong-Jones and it was accepted which is how we got to Viscount Linley and Lady Sarah Armstrong-Jones.

        HRHs were never on the table for the Phillips family or Armstrong-Jones family.

  64. Courtney B says:

    Yeah this means it’s William. Premarriage I could see Anne maybe having some mild reservations, actually I wouldn’t even call them reservations but maybe concerns, because she probably hadn’t met her, she was American and thus may have wondered if she didn’t know how some of the things—big and small like the anthem— worked. Probably the same as most spouses who marry into the family since the royals are also a business. Meghan, unlike Autumn, would be a working Royal. And it turned out to be true. Meghan said herself she didn’t know much and got thrown to the wolves. (I’ve always thought she deliberately wasn’t given a ‘Princess course’ just so she could mess up and thus make Kate look better. She really didn’t or they were minor and no one would care except the RR but they still harped on ‘protocol’ real (entering the car before the queen) and imagined (pretty much everything else). ) So maybe someone should’ve had those concerns. Or it could be conceivable and so LCC took that and ran with it. But I doubt that even if *that* happened nothing was farther.and I doubt she’d stress those concerns to Harry. I mean how often did he and his aunt chitcat? I remember Anne’s totally ‘whatever’ reaction to George being born.

    But didn’t Harry and Meghan indicate it was a male or am I misremembering? I thought they said ‘he’ or ‘him’ when discussing it.

    I hope Anne rips someone a new one. Like ‘don’t come after me with your bs publicity games’. I also don’t see it being ‘hugely damaging’ to Anne. She’s a senior citizen and many would chalk it up to be of a different generation—Charles may not get that excuse because he’ll be the monarch but it’s still an excuse some people could rationalize. But William would be expected ‘to know better’ given his age. (Yes we know it’s a fantasy but the general public may think that.) So it could be very damaging to him. I always thought it was William and this definitely adds to that belief.

    • windyriver says:

      Very interesting that you also think you remember one of them saying “he” or “him” when talking about this subject. Meghan brought it up initially before Harry joined her, and she said “them”. But as I said above, my recollection is that Harry later made a comment and said “he”, but when I went back to the interview last week, and this morning watched my tape of Oprah on the CBS morning show with additional clips, I couldn’t find it. Hmmm.

  65. NotSoSocialButterfly says:

    Way to entirely dehumanize a WOC, Lady C*nt.

  66. ennie says:

    Person who marries someone after 5 days of knowing him and whose marriage lasts less than a year and the trouble was most probably caused for her deceit. Way to take marriage seriously

  67. It’s not Princess Anne. Because if it were she it wouldn’t be damaging to the monarchy. What’s damaging to the monarchy is if the comment was from Charles or William. And I think the comment was from William. Charles respects his son Prince Harry. I don’t believe William does.

  68. Catherine says:

    This is yet another KP clean up attempt. Lady C is the person who reportedly went trolling for Archie’s birth certificate and “discovered” the changes and went to the Sun but clearly someone in KP wanted that story out there in order to smear Meghan. KP has no qualms about throwing the other houses under the bus. This woman is clearly being feed a narrative. There a reason why KP/William would want to throw dirt on Anne and that Harry’s Royal Marines patronage. Last year, the tabloids were putting on a full smear Harry and Insert William campaign for the patronage. It was clear William wanted it. But then Anne’s name just quietly kept popping up. In the wake of official separation many of the RR’s said there was no way William or Kate would get any of the Sussexes patronage. We all know how incandescent William gets when he doesn’t get his way. This will backfire hugely though. There is no way BP/Queen will allow Anne to be smeared. People talk about Andrew being the Queen favorite but I think it’s actually Anne. She has been allowed to have a life completely of her choosing. She has had her controversy/scandals completely covered up. She ran two for profit business from her estate for years without question. An equestrian business that she closed last year and her organic farm. Her children’s scandals have been covered up. Peter and Zara have been caught multiple times in access for money “jobs” etc. Anne even publicly disagrees with Charles on multiple issues. What makes this obvious that it is a KP feed smear though is the fact that Lady C’s goal here is clearly to bad mouth Meghan. Everything she says mirrors the negative narratives the were part of the smear campaign against her. And what has become clear in the is that the family, the media and IMO William/KP are still determined to dehumanize Meghan.

    • Niamh says:

      Anne has been open about the need to make the estate work, i.e. horse trials and farming, otherwise she would have to move. I am not sure what the issue is?

  69. Ebee says:

    I mean, I feel like throwing Aunt Anne under the bus is a good way to get socked in the mouth at Christmas dinner. Or “accidentally shot in a non-fatal manner in a hunting incident”. I could see her straight-facing a Dick Cheney “sorry, bud, thought you were a grouse”.

    • Becks1 says:

      I’m picturing Anne from the Windsors on Netflix, and yeah William is in trouble, LOL.

  70. ennie says:

    They are out to protect Bulliam whatever it takes and throwing whomever under the bus.

  71. Kkat says:

    But they are cool with pedo Andrew’s ilk though, cool cool

  72. Lizzie says:

    And here we have Anne displaying how one shows they understand the loyalty needed to the royal family by allowing herself to be thrown under the bus. Well done ma’am.

  73. Carabella says:

    Anne’s blunt and gaffe prone like her dad. It’s too easy to put this on her, thus not very believable.

  74. Greywacke says:

    Who is the audience for this weird article? This story would make mores sense for aristo Tatler readers, not the general British public. This makes Anne look so utterly repulsively elitist and snobby that even Daily Mail readers would be turned off. If I were Anne, I’d be furious. This damages her reputation as a working royal who does all the bread and butter event jobs. I wouldn’t want to meet her after reading that.

  75. Serena says:

    How about they stfu instead of digging their own graves?

    “Meghan and Harry have used that genuine concern of a loving aunt” … Didn’t see any loving aunt here lol, saying she’s inadequate surely is loving huh? Of course now it’s Meghan’s fault, everything seems to be at this point.
    She’s the one who suffered their continuos (racists) attacks and they’re so fucking vile to turn it against her instead of coming up with even the lamest apology. That’s how much the royals and their idiotic enturage hate her.

    Honestly, screw them all.

  76. Dee says:

    It’s so obviously William. At this point, they are grasping at PR straws. Who has anything to lose at this point? And it’s so obvious that Harry was the one who would do all the kingly duties while William would faff off as usual. That’s why Harry wasn’t allowed to do part-time.

  77. TD says:

    Yeah, I think it had to be someone going above and beyond having “conversations” about the baby’s skin color. I think they all talked what the baby would look like. They’re all racist AF. I think the someone who it would be “damaging” to if H&M revealed the identity of had to have done something even worse, smh.

  78. Emily_C says:

    They’re rushing to find a woman to blame it on. They can’t blame Kate, because she’s the heir’s wife and next heir’s mother. (Though they’ve been trying to focus the conversation on her, which is another form of bus-throwing.) Obviously blaming the queen is right out. But the royal family and English tabloids will always be desperate to blame a woman for anything and everything. As Meghan said, they pit women against each other constantly. It’s their bread and butter.

    I still say it was Charles.

  79. Scandellabra says:

    They’re really throwing her under the bus, huh? Just like they used to do to Harry.

  80. Christine says:


    With friends like these….

    My jaw is on the ground.

  81. Brielle says:

    I don’t think it was Anne who talked about Archie’s skin color but I think it maybe between Anne,Camilla or Sophie who told Meghan to lay low when she went out only 2 days in a month…

  82. Agreatreckoning says:

    None of the three you named would have the influence to tell her to lay low nor was it even phrased that way

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      My comment was meant as a reply to someone saying they thought Anne, Camilla or Sophie told Meghan to lay low. Comments are coming up in odd spots.

      Anne isn’t the one who made the painful comment to Harry about Archie.

  83. Well Wisher says:

    Would Meghan read to Archie on camera for Princess Ann’s patronage if she said that about Archie? Camilla is the one who told Meghan to lay low because she was everywhere.

    • Catherine says:

      The specific fundraiser that Meghan read for was started in the United States for the charity. Yes it Anne’s patronage but it really didn’t have anything to directly do with Anne. Anne is patron but the charity like many charities has many supporters, ambassadors, patrons etc etc. Harry announced a partnership between inside youth zone and place2be. Place2be is Catherine’s patronage but Harry had worked with them before and obviously will continual to do so. Catherine wasn’t involved with it. Nor was she involved with the Place2be fundraiser last summer to expand their services which I thought was strange. I don’t know who said what I think likely there was several people who made inappropriate comments over the course of the time they were dating/engaged/married.

  84. blunt talker says:

    A black guy I knew back in my college days had a white roommate-This roommate was dating a black girl and before graduating college they got engaged-My black guy friend said the his roommate called his father in Texas to give his family the news and that he was bringing her to meet the family-He told his father she was African-American-The first question out of his father’s mouth-How dark is she?-His roommate got terribly upset and decided to talk to his family before bringing her to meet them-I don’t know what happened but say white people aren’t racist about skintones is a lie-this happened nearly eight years ago.

  85. NJ says:

    It absolutely was William. They royal reporters already have told on him. He warned Harry to be careful about marrying “that girl” and it fits right in for him to say “what are we going to say to the press when her babies come out looking black?” I would be surprised if Charles was somehow involved. Thats why Harry was so pissed, left Kensington, left the foundation and ultimately left the island all together. Anne is smart enough to know not to say something like that.

  86. candy says:

    My money’s on Camilla. She’s historically had a lot of foot-in-mouth situations. I just don’t see Anne being a) very involved in Harry’s life and b) making this comment.