After all that drama, Prince William & Harry won’t walk side-by-side at the funeral

Britain's Prince William and Prince Harry arrive to visit the Support4Grenfell Community Hub in London

On Thursday, there was a dump of news and confirmations from Buckingham Palace regarding Prince Philip’s funeral. These people really love their rules and protocols and dress codes and seating charts. It can’t just be a family coming together to mourn. No, there has to be a strict set of rules! One of the most asinine examples of the RULES is that for some reason, after all that drama, Prince Harry and Prince William are not going to walk side-by-side in the funeral procession. Seriously, they’ve been hyping this for the past week and now Harry and Baldingham won’t even be in the same shot?

Prince William and Prince Harry will not walk together at their grandfather Prince Philip’s funeral on Saturday. On Thursday, Buckingham Palace released new details of Prince Philip’s upcoming funeral at St. George’s Chapel in Windsor Castle, including the attendees and procession order. William, 38, and Harry, 36, will both join family members in walking behind their grandfather’s coffin, but their cousin, Peter Phillips (the son of Princess Anne), is set to walk between them.

For the second procession into the chapel, Prince William will walk with Peter. Behind them will be Prince Harry and David Armstrong-Jones, the son of Princess Margaret and Antony Armstrong-Jones. The procession order was “a practical change rather than sending a signal,” a Buckingham Palace spokesman says. “This is a funeral and we are not going to be drawn into perceptions of drama. The arrangements have been agreed and represent Her Majesty’s wishes.”

Once inside the chapel, attendees will be wearing masks and seated six feet apart, per COVID-19 guidelines.

[From People]

The Other Brother with Peter Phillips, and then Prince Harry with… Princess Margaret’s son David? This makes zero sense as far as hierarchy or protocol. It’s not even by year of birth! David Armstrong Jones is the 60-year-old nephew of Philip, while Peter Phillips is Philip’s first-born grandchild. If we were doing Philip’s grandchildren by descending age, it would be Peter, Zara, William, Harry, Beatrice, Eugenie, then Lady Louisa and Viscount Severn. No, this has the feel of a lot of barked orders and a very bald tantrum. Something tells me that someone in Norfolk was engorged with rage at the very thought of walking side-by-side with Harry.

The British press reacted with outrage that they would not be getting their “money shot” of William and Harry walking side-by-side, and outlets apparently went to Buckingham Palace courtiers. The palace spokesperson sniffed: “This is a funeral [and] we will not be drawn into those perceptions of drama. The arrangements have been agreed and reflect Her Majesty’s wishes.” So the Queen is taking the hit (publicly) for what was probably Baldingham Drama.



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  1. Who ARE These People? says:

    Whatever works

    • Midnight@theOasis says:

      Exactly. Harry and William didn’t walk side by side at Diana’s funeral. Why make a big deal about this now except for gossip and drama purposes? Also glad they’ll all be wearing masks so no trying to read emotions on their faces.

      • Amelie says:

        They won’t be wearing masks during the outdoor procession I read somewhere. They will wear mask indoors. So we’ll be able to see all their faces.

    • Traci says:

      I think that’s what Harry’s thought probably was. And then baldy got big mad about Harry’s indifference.

  2. India says:

    You nailed it Kaiser. Baldingham pitched a hissy fit and got his way.

    • Midnight@theOasis says:

      So I guess the Middletons won’t be there to comfort and hold Baldy’s hand and that’s why he gets his way on this issue?😂

      • booboocita says:

        I had a quiet chuckle when I saw the funeral attendee list and saw that there wasn’t a Middleton to be found on it other than Keen Kween Kate. So much for Baldimort needing to be propped up by his oh-so-understanding Meemaw. How will the poor cabbage manage to remain upright without his support and mainstay?

    • MF1 says:

      Yup, I’m pinning this on PWT. You know Harry would’ve sucked it up and remained civil if he were asked to walk next to his brother. Will is the one who wouldn’t be able to handle it.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        Yup, Baldimort as usual is making this about him and his precious ego. It’s always, what about ME!! In the important one, not HIM!!! As he shakes his tiny fists while simultaneously causing veins to pop though-out his ugly face!!

  3. Lauren says:

    They wanted to put the most visible of the grandkids first, now that they realized this wasn’t happening, probably cause Baldingham was throwing a hissy fit, they are putting Peter in between as a buffer. This is extremely unfair to Peter as he is the oldest grandchild and son of Philip’s favorite child. They are reducing his role to a referee between the brothers. This whole thing of making only the male grandsons walk behind the casket is pretty sexist, all of the grandchildren should have been able to.

    • Yoyo says:

      Prince Edward was PP favorite, Princess Anne is a lot like Philip in personality.
      Who else could leave basic military training in that family and PP wouldn’t ride their arse but Edward.

      • Ginger says:

        All week they were saying Harry was his favorite. It seems to change daily who his favorite is.

        They may just switch it up for every funeral or there may be some drama. Either way, this arrangement seems the best. The press would be analyzing their body language the whole time. This will hopefully put the focus on the funeral.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Anne isn’t his fav child. She’s the only girl, which gave her a certain status, but Edward is the fav and one he doted on. No other child could have gotten away with quitting military service a few weeks in.

      • PrincessK says:

        Well the masks are good because it will be harder for those body language idiots employed by the Fail to draw silly conclusions.

    • notasugarhere says:

      For the courtiers and tabloids, it still ensure the easy shot of getting William and Harry in the same photo during both processions. Will Harry be forced to walk directly behind his abusive older brother, or will he be placed diagonally? Will they be on different sides of the quire and seated facing each other? So much we won’t know until it happens.

  4. Over it says:

    Guess Katherine keen won’t be needed to keep the peace and rebuild bridges between the brothers after all. Lol. As if. Also I am happy Harry doesn’t have to deal with Rage against the machine anymore than necessary.

    • Cecilia says:

      I love that the whole “kate the peacemaker” story has been squashed by this.

    • equality says:

      There is already at least one article out about Peter as “mediator”. Like they are going to be talking while they are in a funeral procession. I would think they would have a distance between them anyway because of covid.

      • Cecilia says:

        I would rather have peter the mediator that kate the peacemaker. I know the brothers probably won’t reconcile but i hate that those stories will be out there and that she would get the credit. Absolutely not.

    • MerlinsMom1018 says:

      @Over it:
      Can you just imagine how frantic ma middleton is behind the scenes right now trying to figure out how to spin this for Kate? Not walking between the brothers????? Not being front and center with her calming presence??? Lordamercy…

    • Lizzie says:

      Never fear she will show up in all her buttons. I hope Harry turns his back on her exactly as she did to him at their last meeting.

      • MerlinsMom1018 says:

        Someone here once said “there’s never enough buttons for our Kate”
        You’re right. When she shows up I plan on doing a button count

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ Lizzie, he should be attacking her for his kindness and compassion that he has shown her for years! A majority of photos with the 3 of them, seems to show how Keen Doucheness is ignored by her own husband as Harry plays the dutiful BIL with taking the time and effort of making her feel comfortable and including her at public events. But she burned that relationship to the ground.

  5. Jay says:

    I mean… this seems like an ok solution to me. Even if William and Harry agreed to walk together ( and I actually think Will would benefit from that more than Harry), the focus would be on the brothers and their body language. It would overshadow the whole event.

    I don’t put it past the news outlets not to cut back and forth between them, though. So long as they don’t try to write “Everybody had to wear a suit at Harry’s insistence”.

    • BabsORIG says:

      I’m in the minority i guess but maybe Harry is calling his own shots now? Maybe it was Harry that gave the ultimatum: I’m not walking with William or I’m not attending. Or, Palace: Harry could you please wear the military uniform just for this one time so everyone could wear theirs without looking awkward? Harry: nope, i was stripped of all duties so I’ll wear my suit. Palace: in that case then everyone is going to wear suits.

      • Woke says:

        The way you’re saying it is hilarious. I agree especially with the suit thing, Harry knows the rules so know he wasn’t entitled to wear an uniform anymore.

      • Sunday says:

        Nah. If that were the case, will would’ve leaked the second after the conversation and all the headlines would be “HARRY REFUSES TO WALK NEXT TO WILLIAM” and about how awful and petulant Harry was being, rather than the headlines we’ve gotten which are all about “no drama” and a “decision of the queen.”

    • JT says:

      William has always benefited from Harry’s presence. It’s why the sharing the kingship nonsense has been the focus for these last few years. He needs Harry, not the other way around.

      @Babs I like this version of events.

    • Heat says:

      I agree. If this was the Queen’s decision, I would like to think that she made it so that attention would remain on Philip’s funeral, and not on W & H’s body language while they walk together.

  6. Yoyo says:

    Harry and Cain didn’t walk side by side at their mother’s funeral, their great-grandmother’s not Princess Margaret.
    BM is making this funeral about Harry and Cain, when it should be about PP, but that don’t sell papers.
    They don’t know what Harry is doing, so they are just twisting in the wind.

    • Ginger says:

      Never mind. I was looking up Margaret’s and they were showing me photos of the Queen Mums funeral.

  7. Harper says:

    I’m glad for Harry as his relationship with William is “space.” In a procession with so few people I’m glad he has a buffer. If I were Harry, just the sight of William out of the corner of my eye would make it hard to stay focused.

  8. Ang says:

    I think it’s funny HM is preventing the press from getting their money shot. Good for her.

    P.S. “engorged with rage” made me laugh out loud!

    • notasugarhere says:

      She isn’t. The money shots are still there. A little more dependant on the angle for the first shot, but the second procession will be tabloid gold. Bad little brother forced to walk at his golden (abusive) older brothers’s heels, forced to see he is always required to kowtow even at family events.

    • PrincessK says:

      I agree, it is about trying to avoid the press getting a money shot and William and Harry rather than Philip stealing the headlines. The fact that they will be wearing masks will also make it more difficult to get facial expressions.

    • Monica says:

      Engorged and incandescent. Willy needs to get that looked at.

  9. Feebee says:

    One would think Harry would walk in with Zara then. Someone of the same generation. It’s all a bit weird but maybe it’s not always a raging William, maybe it’s just dumb protocol and a Queen’s inability to be flexible.

    It’s probably a raging William. At least the bit with Peter in between. Harry’s probably relieved though. Wills may be incandescent but I have a feeling he hurt Harry so badly it’s in Wills best interest to stay out of his way. Not that anything would be public but we all remember Harry’s face inside some church. One of the Sussex’s last outings… god, can’t remember which one but the Cambridges blanked them and Harry’s face said it all.

    • Yoyo says:

      Why would he walk in with Zara? when she hates Meghan, it’s not only Cain.

    • Becks1 says:

      Commonwealth Service last year.

      And yes, I think some space between them will be good. I bet Kate’s mad that she’s not at the front, lol.

      • L84Tea says:

        I’m a little embarrassed to admit how gleefully giddy I am that Kate doesn’t get to be front and center. If ever there was a moment for me to sing “neener-neener-neener”, this is it. :-D

      • Dl says:

        Katie Keens fantasy being in her military cosplay buttons galore walking between the grief stricken brothers behind the hearse as they both look adoringly at her for her strength. This woman makes me want to skip lunch.

      • @DL. The Queen should’ve banned Kate from wearing her military uniform.

      • PrincessK says:

        @Marvic….looks like she did…lol!

    • anotherlily says:

      Because, apart from Anne, the women are following in cars with the men on foot behind the hearse. It is traditional for the men of the family to follow the hearse on foot.

      • Becks1 says:

        There are two different processions – the procession to the church, and then the procession actually into the church. For the first (following the hearse) Peter is walking in between Harry and William. For the second (into the church), William and Peter are walking in together, but the women are also obviously walking in.

  10. Amy Bee says:

    I’m just happy that the press is not getting what they wanted.

  11. Merricat says:

    Lol. I’m pretty sure that Harry expected tantrums and demands from Camp Other Brother. Business as usual, except now Harry doesn’t have to pay attention, and doesn’t have to play the games. In his mind, he’s already back in Cali.

  12. mariahlee says:

    In all fairness, the suggestion that the brothers would be shoulder to shoulder was press speculation. They were likely trying to nudge the palace (same with the uniforms). How stupid that the press threw a fit bc they didn’t get their way. This invisible contract is a doozy.

    Won’t they still get the brothers in the same frame? There will just be a rando in between (that can easily be cropped out).

  13. Gina says:

    Maybe it was Prince Philip’s wish? We’ve read he planned his funeral by himself. If so he definitely could arrange the order of procession. Those who were the closest to him – and we don’t really know much about his life during these last years – will be the first to follow his casket.

  14. Becks1 says:

    I think its a bit weird that William and Peter are walking in together (and its not by age or family group, like Peter and Zara, William and Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie etc) but I also think given the insane protocols this family follows it makes sense. William has to be one of the first grandkids to walk it because he’s the FFK. And Peter is the oldest grandchild, who was by all accounts pretty close to Prince Philip, so it makes sense that he walks in first as well. I think the inclusion of the Earl of Snowden with Harry (so pretty high up in the procession) is what stands out to me as the weird bit, but maybe he and Philip were pretty close or something?

    I do think its funny that BP essentially snapped at reporters – basically saying “stop manufacturing drama about every detail about this funeral.”

    • Cecilia says:

      I think its funny that BP are complaining about drama when they’ve been creating it until they saw that the public really isn’t feeling it that much.

      As for the procession. Its only male relatives that walk behind the casket right. So you get the children (charles, anne, andrew and edward)
      And then the male grandkids of which peter is the oldest than you get william. And then behind harry. That sort of makes sense. I know that they’re missing viscount severn but maybe they deemed him a bit young? Idk.

      • Becks1 says:

        I think he’s walking in the procession behind the casket but farther back?

        Who knows, they’re following their own rules lol.

        And yes, someone at BP definitely realized the drama was not playing well in the public eye, finally.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’m surprised James is attending the funeral. They keep him out of the public eye as much as possible. Him not walking makes sense as a compromise. He’ll be there, but shielded/flanked by his parents and sister in the church.

    • equality says:

      Given Covid restrictions it would make more sense to be seated in the church by households instead of mixing and matching.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Yes, it would. But will they follow that?

      • Sucy&Sassy says:

        I wonder if the reason they’ve paired PH with Snowden is because Snowden has probably been vaccinated? If you view it like that, it would make sense. Also, I don’t know anything about protocol, so I thought it made sense. PC & Anne together (oldest children), then A & E, then W, P & H as the oldest Male grandchildren. I thought they put P in the middle, because both C & H are taller than he is. It’s a visual thing.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        I read on twitter that if you go by this “funeral” family protocol that Phillip would be in the middle as the oldest grandson and the next oldest would be on the right, etc. So, this is just sameo, sameo as previous stuff.

  15. Digital Unicorn says:

    Seems there is an adult in charge of these arrangements and is slapping the children around – first Andrew and his Admiral costume and now separating the ‘feuding’ brothers. This is all done to ensure the event is not overshadowed by family drama and people looking to use the event for PR.

    • Yoyo says:

      The brothers were never going to walk together, going by pass precedent.
      The Queen and Anne are the only women in the procession.

      • anotherlily says:

        The Queen is not walking in the procession.

      • Jais says:

        Is there a reason none of the female grandchildren are in the procession? Bea, Eugenia, Zara? I really don’t know much about procession protocols?
        @anotherlily- just read your comment further up bout women traditionally riding in cars and men following on foot. Thx!

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Jais: The monarchy is a patriarchial system. Only men are supposed to walk behind the coffin. The women go directly to the church. But the Queen has always made an exception for Anne.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They’ve removed primogeniture in the line of succession, which means it doesn’t get to be called a patriarchy anymore. Regardless, if the female members of the family want to walk, they should be allowed to walk.

      • FicklePickle says:

        @notasugarhere They changed the succession of the Crown from male-preference primogeniture to absolute primogeniture, and that only applies to those born after 28 October 2011.

        Changing the succession of the Crown to be sex-neutral doesn’t change the base nature of the culture of the British aristocracy from a patriarchy. I mean, most British titles can’t even be inherited by a female heir at all. It’s a dude or nothing! For example, the Dukedom of York, until Eugenie and Jack had August there WAS no heir and the title would have gone into abeyance after Andrew’s death until and unless either Beatrice or Eugenie produced a son.

      • PrincessK says:

        @Fickle Pickle…the title is a royal dukedom and it will definitely not go to any sons of the York girls. Little Louis will be the next Duke of York most probably as it is a title given to the younger brother of an heir to the throne.

    • Chrissy (The Original) says:

      Exactly. This should be about Philip not other family drama. If PWT had half a brain (or heart), he would spend more time thinking about how his Grannie is doing rather than making his Grampa’s funeral about him. He’s so damn insecure and petty!

  16. Cecilia says:

    Lol at BP saying they won’t be drawn into drama when they’ve been the ones creating drama from the start

  17. Myra says:

    This week has proved how the institution of the BRF is in such disarray. The drama is created by actors in the family and those behind the scenes, then shared with the media to either test public opinion or to force the queen’s hand. It is so embarrassing. Could they not have simply planned it quietly then made the announcement a day before the funeral? They cannot directly blame Meghan for this, which explains why they all went with the “spare Harry’s blushes” line as if they cared about his blushes on Remembrance Day. What a clown show!

    • Cecilia says:

      Im happy that most people saw through that “spare harry’s blushes” nonsense. Tho if anything it has proven to me once more that when it comes to just harry, people are fully capable of using common sense. But when you add meghan or when its just meghan, that common sense evaporates.

    • Sid says:

      Shadow King Charles should maybe take a good long look in the mirror. Perhaps pushing Geidt out was not so smart after all.

      I watched the “King Charles III” play/movie that some other Celebitches had referenced the other day. As I watched I found myself thinking that I could actually see Charles getting himself into that sort of mess. Not to the point where the real life ending would turn out that way, but overstepping and creating chaos as a result? Yeah.

  18. Woke says:

    I feel like the press kinda knew Harry and William wouldn’t be walking shoulder to shoulder but they hyped it to put pressure on the family. They wanted that money shot.

    For me the decision makes sense all the children are in the procession. For the grandchildren they chose the 3 senior mens and Peter being the eldest he’s in the middle.

  19. Yoyo says:

    They can’t blame Meghan and Harry for this mess, the Firm is so inept they can’t help but fumble a simple funeral for 30 people.
    Too many Bosses, trying to be top dog.

  20. Phoenix says:

    I think that this time TQ had to intervene and call the dogs off, because the press is really making this into a circus when it should be about Philip’s funeral.

  21. Randie says:

    The procession order was a practical change rather than sending a signal?? Why even bring it up if it’s not a signal? Better believe it’s a signal.

    A Buckingham Palace spokesman says. “This is a funeral and we are not going to be drawn into perceptions of drama…” They insist on no drama. That’s calling the kettle black. Its their own courtiers that do the leaking and drama stirring.

    Once inside the chapel, attendees will be wearing masks and seated six feet apart, per COVID-19 guidelines. Now, they want to follow covid guidlines?? They sure didn’t on their christmas tree light tour. None were wearing masks. The Queen’s Norfolk residence was/is covered by Tier Two rules meaning that only six people – including children – can meet up outdoors if they are not from the same household. Yet, Cambridges and Wessexs made their way around the mile-long, one-way illuminated trail. The two families were seen and photographed mixing and chatting.
    Double standard again…..

    • Doulton says:

      And how many cars will be used by the women? Are they going to cram different households together in the car procession? I wonder if propinquity is going to follow health or preference or long-dictated family status?

  22. Lizzie says:

    The other brother is afraid to face Harry and needs a buffer. Future future king chicken.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “needs a buffer”

      Well Peter Phillips and David Snowdon were perfect choices for a “buffer” as Philip was close to both of them.

      • MerlinsMom1018 says:

        David Snowden is his Dad’s doppelganger. Every time I look at him I think it’s his Dad

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @MerlinsMom1018 – I agree with you 100%, David Snowden is his Dad’s doppelganger

        Also, IMPO, Lady Sarah Chatto is almost the doppelganger of The Princess Royal.

      • MerlinsMom1018 says:

        Had to go back and rummage through some pictures of the RF and holy crow! I agree with you about Lady Sarah Chatto. Those genes run deep and strong!!!

      • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

        I think Charlotte looks a lot like Sarah Chatto as well. The mouth area in particular.

      • Tessa says:

        Sarah Chatto wore the same hairdo as a child that Charlotte wears. Chatto is a Snowdon in looks not a Windsor. I don’t see any resemblance to Charlotte they have different shaped faces and Charlotte is more Middleton. Sarah has a wider mouth. I don’t see a resemblance.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I see all Middleton in her as well, Tessa.

      • PrincessK says:

        Look at pictures of toddler Charlotte and toddler Sarah, a very clear resemblance. Charlotte also looks like the Queen.

  23. aquarius64 says:

    The press is disappointed they are not getting the money shot. Billy the Bully proves everyday he is unfit for office. FFK needs to look and act like a grown up here. As sovereign he would have to lead the nation at times like this. Billy is not ready for primetime.

  24. Roo says:

    The BM “reacted with outrage.” Imagine having the audacity to weigh in on a family’s decisions about a funeral! The royals created a monster with their “unspoken contract” and they have lost control of it. Cue the nasty stories about Royal funds overseas, Rose bushes, Peter’s booty call travels, etc. 🤦‍♀️

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “Peter’s booty call travels,”

      Have not heard this one! I am so looking forward to all the tea on Peter’s booty calls.

      • Lucy says:

        Peter recently got caught traveling I think it was 400+ miles to “spend time” with a lady friend? The scandal was he ignored COVID travel rules, went from one zone to another (i’m not clear on how uk restrictions work).
        The lady’s neighbors noticed a car that want supposed to be there and turned them in for covid violation.

  25. Beana says:

    The group processing to church (men plus Anne) reminds me of my family’s tradition of having pallbearers carry, or process with, the coffin into the church. Maybe these are the people Phillip selected to be his “pallbearers” in whatever funeral arrangements he originally planned pre-COVID. Adding Anne seems like a nice touch from an adoring father.

    I can also understand not having all of the grandkids process on foot. Viscount Severn has been kept largely out of the public eye (people have speculated on that but I won’t, he’s only 13, let him have privacy). And Eugenie and Zara are still relatively recently post-partum. The idea of walking in public after I gave birth to my kiddo (and literally was recovering from a bone fracture during the labor and still looked like 7 months pregnant) makes me shudder.

  26. moonpony says:

    It’s funny to call William “baldingham”. But his baldness is a physical characteristic that he can’t help. Doesn’t that name fly in the face of the call for sensitivity toward people’s (women’s) bodily features?

    • notasugarhere says:

      As has been explained before, I think last time you raised this issue? William is the one who makes an issue of his hair. He demands and forces the press to photoshop more hair on him, like the engagement photos and magazine covers. Like Kate having the Palace denying her obvious use of wiglets and weaves. They choose to make it about that issue; we mock them for it.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Your choice not to buy it. Repeated regular posters on this site have had this discussion repeatedly. We know we’re mocking them for something THEY made the centre of attention.

    • lemontwist says:

      100% with you on that. Mocking someone for a physical trait they can’t change is lazy at best and cruel at worst.
      I also don’t buy the argument that William’s vanity or how he acts somehow changes that dynamic or absolves people of their own behavior. Like, just make up some nickname for calling him vain instead of going for the low blow.

      • Kkat says:

        Naa he tried to have his brother and poc sister in law exiled to “Africa”
        He smeared And tortured her so bad he was hoping she would divorce his brother or Bonus! get her to kill herself and the baby.

        So I’m going to call the piece of sh*t bald

      • swirlmamad says:

        Same @Kkat. Forgive me if I don’t feel like being all PC for the (likely) ahole who made a to-do about his biracial nephew’s skin color.

  27. Chelsea says:

    I do think William might have some say in this because if its supposed to be the children in order of age and then the grandsons in order of age it should be Peter then William then Harry but whatever floats their boats. The whole run up to this funeral has been stupid but I’m happy with the way the Sussexes PR has handled this; not saying a thing and not engaging no matter how desperate the BM gets.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      This is not a state funeral. This is family funeral meticulously planned by Prince Philip himself.

      There is no case or cause for Royal protocol to be followed to the letter of the Royal Rules book.

  28. Lowrider says:

    They need to stop. The ratings will be low no more what narrative they want to push.

    • Roo says:

      I think most people are worried about covid, finances, and getting to a new normal, whatever that may look like. I wonder if they will tune in to the funeral? I won’t, but I’m not in the UK.

    • Alexandria says:

      Actually if it shows Harry, the ratings might be not so low. Even the German “reporter” said everyone was wanting to know where Harry was and Buckingham Palace official was not pleased the focus was not on Phillip. So you can bet many are salivating to try take a money shot. I hope Harry wears a mask.

    • Scandi says:

      The funeral will be shown live on several Danish news channels, and it will be a full day event with commentary etc, and I know other Scandinavian countries do the same. So I guess people are interested.

      • notasugarhere says:

        German news had a story about the German love of the BRF and how many will be tuning in too.

  29. Carmen-JamRock says:

    Anyhoooo……is there a will? Did Phillip leave a will and will there be a privaye reading aftrr the funeral? Is tht part of their culture?

    • notasugarhere says:

      Unless he received inheritances along the way, Philip didn’t have money or had very little to speak of. When they married, he had one change of clothing, his military uniform, some change in his pocket, and the smuggled family tiara broken down in to her engagement ring and bracelet.

      • Waitwhat? says:

        I’d imagine he’d have picked up various possessions over the following 7 decades, though – I don’t know if he ever owned any property (perhaps not) but he probably has watches, cufflinks, medals and so on, plus things like books and paintings. In most families I’d say these would have sentimental value and his relatives would want them to remember him by, but given this is the BRF they’re quite likely to be worth a lot!

  30. Shawna says:

    Another good idea would be to require masks in the processions…cut down on body language speculation!

  31. Sofia says:

    Oh god I can’t wait for this funeral to be over. As for the lineup, it’s fine I guess. The tabloids won’t get their money shots of William and Harry side by side but they’ll still be behind each other (I think) so they can do the whole “heir vs spare” thing they love.

  32. Talie says:

    As we’ve seen, the media can lash out when they don’t get what they want. Harry is back, but it’s been hard to link him to drama beyond the uniform bit and he really had nothing to do with that. The last hope they had was seeing awkwardness with William, but now that’s shot. Plus, they’re in masks.

  33. Ohpioneer says:

    After looking at pictures of the funerals of Princess Margaret and the QM one thing struck me immediately. At Margaret’s funeral all the men wore black suits, no military uniforms. At the QM’s funeral only Philip, Charles, and Andrew wore military dress uniforms and EDWARD was in formal day attire, not military. So it would appear they don’t all wear uniforms for all funerals so the choice to wear suits ( possibly formal day attire) isn’t that big a deal and has zero to do with any optics about Harry being in a suit instead of uniform. As for the procession lineup at the QM’s funeral it was by rank but at Margaret’s her son was up front. Perhaps there is also protocol or the monarch’s personal preference as precedent for this too.

    • Alexandria says:

      Or they can just do what they want as long as the negotiations are agreed upon. This throws out everything about half in and half out especially when Andrew is RIGHT THERE with his privately paid protection, HRH and honorary titles, and the rest of the working and non-working Windsors are shilling milk, horses, cars, food, “trade deals” and whatever else.

      It’s clear there is negotiating room for the royal family but strict or imaginary protocols are reserved for HM.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        Its because they wanted H (& his family) to be the full-time foorstool for will-di-Amin & his family when (if!) he became king.

        Can u imagine how they (the Firm & the BM) were salivating at the thought of the additional ammo they had in the biracialness of Harry’s wife & children!

        So they didnt even hv to spend a minute in any faux-consideration of H&M’s proposal for 1/2-in/1/2-out….are you kidding!! Never wd they hv offered him any opp for even partial independence. They wanted him enslaved to bulliam (who wd hold the purse strings & make sure H stayed put.)

        My god! when I think of the fortuitous escape from tht fate by H&M I literally gasp.

    • Paisley25 says:

      If I’m remembering right, Edward didn’t start getting his honorary military appointments until 2003 when he and Sophie started working for the family full-time. So he had no uniform to wear for his grandmother’s funeral in 2002.

  34. Lizzie says:

    Thanks to the tabloids Harry will be the draw for most who watch this live. It should be about Philip but the bm made sure it is not. Sorry rf but if you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas.

  35. Elvie says:

    At least at age 13, they’re not making James, Viscount Severn walk in the procession. I am still mad that they made William and Harry do that at such a young age when Diana died.

    • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

      That they were made to walk behind Diana was barbaric. But she *was* their mother. This is James’ *grandfather*, so it is different.

  36. FancyHat says:

    I going to have to disagree here. I think William needs that side by side shot so he can claim reconciliation and Harry was the one who said no. Or the Queen was smart enough on her own to separate them.

    • JT says:

      This is where I’m at. Most of the reconciliation stories are from William’s point of view not Harry’s. If Harry cared about them mending fences, he wouldn’t have called out the phone call with Will as unproductive through Gayle. William needs to prove he still has some access to sell to the tabloids. Harry’s doing pretty good and most people on SM have been on his side. It’s funny that the BM was trying to whip the public into a frenzy of hate over Harry and he’s the one with the most support behind the queen. I’ve even seen people say that the uniform debacle is proof of why he left and no wonder he wants to get back to Meghan. And they weren’t even Sussex squadies.

      • Ginger says:

        I do love how the tide is turning. Will and Kate keep getting dragged and everyone is coming to Harry and Meghan’s defense. The Oprah interview made a lot of people wake up. The British press and RF can’t pull the same stunts anymore. It’s nice to see.

    • February-Pisces says:

      Yeah I think William needs to keep the press happy and needed that shot of them side by side. Harry doesn’t and is probably relieved he doesn’t have to stand next to him.

      • Jay says:

        I agree, it’s more likely that William wants/needs the side by side with his brother so he can claim that a “reconciliation” is happening and also get a little bit of Harry’s reflected shine.

        So, will Wills try to make something happen? I remember his side was really pushing the “brothers meet up in a pub” idea before the statue unveiling, but I don’t think that would fly here. Maybe he’ll engineer a way to touch Harry’s elbow or something (Free headline idea: Brothers in Arms😂).

        He seems to like the idea of “making peace” so long as he doesn’t have to do any work, admit wrongs, or do anything differently.

  37. Nic919 says:

    The procession is obviously sexist. Anne is walking in with her siblings, but the female grandchildren like Zara and Beatrice and Eugenie and Louise should be right up there with Peter, William and Harry and James , much more so than Snowden, who is a nephew. That is the only order that makes sense.

    This isn’t a state funeral so I don’t see why they maintain the sexist stuff.

  38. serena says:

    This is idiotic and just show the world (even more) how petty and idiotic, yes I’m saying it again, they are.

  39. Lucky Charm says:

    Eh, I see no drama in this, it makes sense to me. Peter is the oldest grandchild, and William is the oldest son of the heir, so those are two pretty prominent places in the family and why they are walking in first. Harry is the spare, and David is the son of a previous spare, the Queen’s sister. If Princess Anne is also walking behind the casket then it makes sense that she would walk into the chapel with her husband at that point.

  40. Valiantly Varnished says:

    Lol. If they weren’t into perceptions of drama they would have William and Harry walk side by side. Not stuff a random family member between them. To me this only further draws attention to it.

  41. I believe the funeral will not be watched worldwide by global viewers if not for Prince Harry. If he didn’t come home for the send off nobody’s going to watch this really. Not for the Queen and not for William and Kate. This is not taking anything away from Prince Philip (RIP, sir) but Prince Harry is the real superstar in that family.

    • PrincessK says:

      You are correct my husband who doesn’t have time for royalty and all that goes with it, said that Harry is the family superstar.

  42. Miss C says:

    Just watch prince Phillips a piano roll it was sad the funny part to me was William and hairy did not walk side-by-side and end the church they had them across the aisle from one another. Will you must be scared and hairy is going to pop him a good one.

  43. Tessa says:

    I cringed when I saw Harry walking with William and Kate. The third wheel again. Get back to California Harry!

  44. Tessa says:

    I am looking at social media and because Will and Harry talked it “proves” that Meghan was “the problem.” So gross.

    • Haylie says:

      Meghan being half black was the problem for them. That’s not on her.

    • Monica says:

      Oh fercryinoutloud. No. It proves that Harry has an open heart. I for one was glad to see it.

      • Tessa says:

        It bothers me that they were civil to Harry when he was by himself and behaved rudely when Meghan was with him. Which leads to media Spin that Meghan was to blame. So awful.

      • PrincessK says:

        Harry is a class act, an officer and a gentlemen.

  45. February-Pisces says:

    The funeral has just finished. I was so excited to see harry, that’s the only reason I watched. I saw him at he end chatting to Willie. I’ve seen fonts on Twitter rejoicing that the brothers are back together. No they are not back together. But I’m sure this will be spun as a negative on Meghan, like ‘they get on great when she’s not there” sort of thing. I’m just wondering if kate has been praised yet for ‘bringing them back together”? Only a matter of time.

    • Tessa says:

      That bothers me too. I already see it happening on social media. Kate is getting fawned over for what she wore.

    • Rapunzel says:

      February Pisces- The Fail already has an article about Kate bringing them together.

    • February-Pisces says:

      I knew they would, even before anyone said it. The bar is so low for Kate, all she has to do is stand there and she is praised for ‘saving the monarchy’.

  46. Galpal says:

    Go ahead with the snark, if that makes you happy. But, having suffered loss, my heart breaks for the Queen and her children.

  47. Rotting Pumpkin says:

    They didn’t walk side by side for two reason, 1) being royal protocol, and 2) being trying to keep drama and arguments at bay during a royal funeral. Regardless of whatever happened and what was said this isnt the time or place for it.

    • Galpal says:


    • Alexandria says:

      Point 1 if it’s royal protocol, Anne would walk behind William isn’t it? The 2 heirs should be in front? Anyway, where Harry himself walks doesn’t matter, the funeral isn’t about him and he knows it.

  48. Caitriona O Reilly says:

    Just watched de funeral service, l felt so sorry and emotional for the Queen and Prince Charles, both looked absolutely devastated , but on a not so serious note, Kates jewellery, gorgeous but not appropriate.for a funeral mass, every other family member was very low key but not our Katie ……

    • Tessa says:

      People and Us and others seemed to want to make Kate star of the show with all her bling.

      • equality says:

        Kate overdoing it for the funeral will be acceptable. If it were Meghan…. All the other women had simple or no jewelry and simple hairstyles. Poor Zara’s headline was that she copied Kate by wearing pearl earrings and a black fascinator. I noticed the men still wore their medals but the look with all of them wearing similar suits comes together better than all of them wearing a different uniform.

    • Rapunzel says:

      She wore something from TQ’s personal collection, to show how close they are. As someone on this board predicted.

      • Tessa says:

        Maybe Will was seething that the Queen’s Lady In Waiting accompanied her instead of Kate.

    • February-Pisces says:

      I loved the necklace, thought it looked beautiful, but way to bling for a funeral.

    • Original penguin says:

      Interestingly Camilla who always wears a Pearl choker, did not. The Queen who always wears a double strand of pearls, did not. Jet mourning jewellery was used in the past for a reason. Katie keen… may actually be breaking protocol here

    • anotherlily says:

      I agree. Kate had a new glamorous coat dress and OTT pearls from the Queen’s Collection, meaning she liased with the Angela Kelly (a female version of Uncle Gary in many ways) and was trying to score some kind of point against Meghan who was apparently banned from access to the Queen’s Collection. She’s a low-brow pushy Middleton.

  49. aquarius64 says:

    That necklace Kate had on was worn at state banquets the queen and Diana attended. I thought royal women in general tone down the jewelry during official mourning. This look try hard.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      The decision to wear the necklace was a bad one. If she’d only worn the earrings alone her look would have been better. The necklace made her look like a garish dowager duchess Kate. Maybe she didn’t get the memo on how to dress like Bridget Jones wasn’t told the tarts and vicar party theme was cancelled? Nope…she wanted eyes on her. Regardless of the faux pas. Wearing the necklace was putting a foot wrong.

      • Sue Denim says:

        I love the jewelry but even the earrings are too much. I think simple studs — pearl, diamond, combo — would have been perfect. Love the Bridget Jones ref too!

  50. Well Wisher says:

    The funeral of Prince Phillip has become all about Kate – who knew she had a saviour complex. The lynchpin of the Mountbatten-Windsors dysfunction with her husband as the cause.
    She was leaking like a sieve after it became known on the streets that William refused to walk beside Harry and kept demanding an apology with the threat of final banishment from the family.
    For whatever reason she has inserted herself, with the help of the fail has provided an alternative unaccepted narrative.
    The good news, if any, is that it became apparent to the BTM that it does not have the final say in anything, it is up to the public.
    It was gratifying to read several spot on predictions that involved claiming credit, finger pointing and blame game from the Cambridges.
    No one is sure that the exchange between the brothers will lead to any kind of reconciliation despite Kate’s spin.
    While the BTM have the microphone, the public can reach for the off switch and have their own conversation amongst themselves without the endless culture wars covering economic depravity.
    Prince Harry has excellent manners, bodes well for boundary setting. I hope he gets to see his grandmother and go home to his family and a therapist to detoxify mentally.

  51. anotherlily says:

    Yes, it makes sense in terms of family hierarchy. Private and family occasions give precedence to the Queen’s children over the grandchildren and to older over younger. At a funeral it is traditional for the men of the family to follow the hearse on foot with the women following behind in cars. It seems Anne will join her brothers but otherwise it is a male line-up.

    Titles and place in the line of succession do not decide the order for family events. The Queen’s children come first followed by grandchildren in order of age. Peter Phillips is therefore senior to William and Harry. So is Zara Tindall. After the grandchildren come the Queen’s nephew and niece followed by cousins. So if they walk in pairs when they enter the church it will be Peter Phillips and William followed by Harry with Lord Snowden. They will then presumably be seated with spouses.

  52. Chelsea says:

    It doesnt though…since Peter is older than William shouldnt it go: Peter, then William, then Harry for the precession behind the casket? Yet it will be William, then Peter then Harry

  53. notasugarhere says:

    If Peter was the fav, it isn’t making sense. It shows that William (and the courtiers) have forced everyone else to kowtow to William. Even if it is a private family event, William still demands to be first and in front.

  54. FancyHat says:

    If that is the case, why is William so close to the front? He doesn’t appear to have been as close to Phillip. So shouldn’t both Lord Snowden and Peter been before William? I think it is either the Queen or Harry separating Harry and William. William wants it to appear that Harry and William are all well now.

  55. DuchessL says:

    So much for pecking order, but whatever. Anything is good so that the next day pictures dont have the brothers together and actual photos would be too weird on any front page: Willie with Peter? harry and the 60yo cousin? lol So watch how Penny will the money shot/discussion of the week to aggravate them for not allowing the brother’s shot together. They are building this story up

  56. Becks1 says:

    But that is contradictory, if its by order of age then you would think it would be Peter and Zara walking in together, then William and Harry, then Beatrice and Eugenie. I think Zara is farther back in the procession.

    And this is for the procession into the church, so the women will be walking in as well, so Zara could walk in with Harry.

    I dunno. I’m sure that Philip probably had a lot of this planned out and any alterations that were made were probably made with his wishes in mind, so its not my business (like that is going to stop me from discussing it, lol.)

  57. Cecilia says:

    @becks1 i don’t think females walk in the line of procession. I think that is male only.

  58. Becks1 says:

    @cecilia behind the casket, but I’m thinking of the entrance into the church, because there are two different processions. (for behind the casket, Peter is walking between William and Harry, and then Peter and William will process into the church together.) Unless the women just follow behind the men in general at that point?

    ETA – or are the women already in the church when the casket arrives? this royal funeral is too fancy and has too many rules for me lol.

  59. anotherlily says:

    replying to Becks1: The men (plus Anne) are walking with the hearse. The women along with other males who are not on foot, are following by car and will therefore follow the men into the church. They will probably then be seated with spouses and other family. It will be interesting to see what actually happens tomorrow.

  60. Becks1 says:

    @anotherlily – okay that is what I thought would happen. Like you said, it will be interesting to see how it shakes out tomorrow.

  61. windyriver says:

    It sounds like the walking part of the procession to the church will be small. Behind the three (older) male grandchildren will be Lord Snowden, walking with Anne’s husband Tim Laurence. Then I believe it’s members of Philip’s staff (think I read somewhere his private secretary, personal protection officer, and Omid says two pages and two valets), followed by TQ in her car. Philip’s staff won’t be at the service, so presumably will move away at the church entrance. And if Snowden is walking in with Harry, what happens with Tim Laurence?

    I assume Covid considerations have also impacted the order of procession into the church – I mean, of the family members who are not William – as people will be socially distanced in their family groups when seated. I haven’t seen details of the second procession into the church, but assume, for example, Beatrice and Eugenie will enter with their husbands, rather than with each other.

  62. Yvette says:

    @Becks1 … I’m pretty sure the men walking behind the coffin will lift and carry it into the chapel as well.

  63. BayTampaBay says:

    As long as Baldemort is not next to Harry and the Royal Rota is deprived of their money shot, I do not care where the Other Brother stands.

    I think the whole point in this lineup is so that Harry does not have to stand next too BPwBT. I would not want to stand next to that the Rose Trimming Gardener either.

  64. notasugarhere says:

    I suppose a nicer interpretation would be Peter, as fav, gets to walk in the middle while all others are flanking? But if that was it, they could have put William at the front and Harry in the back next to Peter. Looked at that way, the courtiers are deliberately putting Harry and William close to each other for the paps.

  65. PrincessK says:

    The whole idea is to prevent the media getting too many pictures of the brothers side by side and making a huge drama out of it and distracting from the funeral. They want to avoid too many front page William and Harry pictures on Sunday and keep the focus on the Duke.

    I am quite sure that after the funeral the guests will mingle for a Sherry or something and that the brothers will be in close proximity. This arrangement is purely to take the focus off the feud but l doubt it will. The media is absolutely loving this ….a funeral and simmering feud.

  66. anotherlily says:

    They are walking in a line together, apparently with Lord Snowden (David Linley) and Tim Laurence following. At the the church they will enter in pairs, Peter and William followed by Harry and David Linley with Tim Laurence behind them.