Gary Goldsmith: ‘When the Queen steps down, things need to pass to William & Kate’

Gary Goldsmith

What on God’s green earth is going on over at Middleton Manor? Something has scared the bejesus out of Carole Middleton, and the Middleton media operation has been churning out these increasingly bizarre, overwhelmingly sugary interviews and “commentary” pieces. Enter Gary Goldsmith, Carole Middleton’s younger brother and Kate’s shady uncle. Uncle Gary has been getting bolder and bolder over the past year, giving two massively unhinged interviews to the Daily Mail (the Middletons’ favorite media outlet). Dodgy Uncle Gary called Harry and Meghan “attention-craving Muppets” last year, and then back in March, he practically gave the official Middleton statement on the Sussexes’ Oprah interview. He called Meghan a liar and made Kate sound like the second coming. Well, dodgy Uncle Gary has spoken again to the Mail and I can’t believe Carole does not realize how bad this makes the Middleton family look. Some highlights:

A decade of keen: ‘The ten years have been incredible for her. She’s taken to that job — and it is a job, her success comes from the fact she recognised that — like a duck to water, and emerged as the best thing that could have happened to the Royal Family. She’s their biggest asset at the moment. She was a breath of fresh air then and she hasn’t put a foot wrong since! When you look at what happened with Meghan, you realise how easy it is to marry into that family and get it completely wrong.’ He gives a little laugh as he refers to ‘our Kate’ (by contrast, the Duchess of Sussex and her husband are ‘those muppets’).

On Kate’s keen behavior at the funeral: ‘She doesn’t just look the part, she’s living the part. She acts like you’d want a royal to behave. She has that poise of the public servant, yet she also has the common touch — or the Diana touch, as I think of it. It’s a difficult balance, being someone people can identify with but also look up to, but she’s got it. I think she’s the Queen’s protégée’.

He thinks the Queen looked suddenly and shockingly frail at Philip’s funeral. Understandable in the circumstances, of course, but with questions about the future of the monarchy swirling, he has an interesting but controversial take. ‘Obviously, I’m a massive fan of the Queen and it’s amazing that her reign has been the longest in history, but wouldn’t it be great if William and Kate had the opportunity to have perhaps an even longer reign? We are in an era of change for the Royal Family. It has been a bit of a rollercoaster, and if Her Majesty was to step aside, it’s my opinion William and Kate would give the whole country stability.’

What about Charles & Camilla? ‘Well, I personally didn’t think it was right the Queen was back at work. That was such a burdensome thing for anyone, never mind someone of her age. I think she should take some time out. Well if there was a good time to step down, maybe it is now. I think Prince Charles is a credit to the nation and I’m sure he would do a great job as King. And I have a huge amount of time for Camilla… But — and I don’t think I’m alone in thinking this — I think that when the Queen steps down, things need to pass to William and Kate. To give you a football analogy, they are ready to have their foot on the ball. Charles would do a good job, of course, but in terms of freshening things up it would be better with William and Kate. With them the monarchy would thrive, rather than just survive. Charles could be found another amazing role.’

On the Duchess of Sussex: ‘There isn’t any self-interest about Kate’s work. I wish I could say the same about Meghan,’ says Gary. He adds that he was ‘livid’ when he watched the Oprah interview, in which the Duchess of Sussex claimed it was Catherine who made her cry in a row over bridesmaid dresses.

On Harry: ‘I was angry at them over there [in California] slagging off our Royal Family. There was no reason for them to betray the family trust in the way they did. But seeing him at the funeral, I was just sad. He looked lost. I feel quite emotional even talking about it, but we’ve all been thinking about mental health, and here we are, watching someone crumbling in front of us. It’s not right.’ He talks of the ‘happy days’ when William, Harry and Kate had formed a sort of public trio. ‘Look at how happy they were. You can’t fake that. Kate adored him and everyone only wanted him to be happy. When Meghan came along it should have been more fun. Kate would have been welcoming to her, because she would have wanted Harry to be happy. If Harry is happy, everyone is happy. But at the end it became about Meghan. It’s all about Meghan. I was disappointed. I thought she was given quite a hard time from the Press, but perhaps the Press got it right quicker than we did.’

[From The Daily Mail]

The more these people talk, the more I feel like Harry and Meghan were so lucky to be able to get out alive. The obsession with them is really dangerous and unsettling, and there are so many moments where it feels like people are implicitly threatening Meghan’s life and existence. They’re so mad at her for… existing, for being the woman Harry married. It’s disgusting the way they speak about her. And Kate should be disgusted and embarrassed to hear her uncle speak this way about her and about Meghan and Harry, not to mention the Queen, Charles and Camilla. I keep thinking that surely, at some point, Charles has to step in and shut down the Middletons in some big way? Because it really can’t go on like this. It’s painful.

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  1. Darla says:

    Can they stop them anymore than Meghan can stop her Dad and half sister? This guy sounds unhinged but not being a stranger to unhinged family members, I don’t think there’s much to be done about it.

    • Em says:

      They absolutely can gag Gary if they want too and if the markle’s started trashing the royal family they would be gagged too. The only reason the royals didn’t stop Thomas or Samantha is that they were essentially doing their job for them by constantly trashing Meghan

      • DuchessL says:

        I think we have found the weakest link/the toxic middleton. The one who took the money and is going to talk sonthat there is something to write about in the papers because seriously the press sucks these days of boringness with Will and kate. The video with the 2 envelope job + cookies were hard to digest

    • Cecilia says:

      Im 100% convinced that if the palace had gone properly involved meghans father would have never appeared on tv.

      • Yvette says:

        @Cecilia … Agreed. I also think the full-hard press the Middletons have got going is based on something they either know (through William or Palace Aides/Courtiers) or suspect Charles will do, probably something favorable to the Sussexes, once he’s King, because they’ve been throwing Charles under the bus as well.

        And have you noticed how they’re lumping William with the Middleton family rather than Charles, and labeling the Middletons as a close knit ‘stable’ family?

    • Ainsley7 says:

      They clearly can’t do anything or they would. They definitely have shut him up in the past. It’s unclear how they got him to shut up though. So, it may have been an agreement with the press that they wouldn’t seek him out. A lot of the coverage before this was either about his tweets or his private life. One of Kate’s first causes was addiction because of all of Uncle Gary’s shenanigans. So, it might have been a warning to him that they would completely tank his reputation if he kept crossing the line. Either way, neither the press or Uncle Gary seem to care anymore. My money is on the press not caring.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        Uncle Gary has successfully been shut down before. After his undercover reporters tape where he talked about William partying in his Ibiza drug den and having a wing in BP he went dark and only came out strategically. Lately though, the whole Middleton PR has been struggling and frantic. So, idk what’s going on, but this was approved.

    • A says:

      But remember Uncle Gary was supposed to be the model of how to treat unhinged family members? He was held up by the dailymail during H&M’s wedding of how Meghan should have treated all her out the wood work family. She was supposed to invite them to the wedding, let them meet the queen and then the power of the crown would keep them quiet and out the tabloids forever more. It was this as opposed to not attaching yourself and the family to an unhinged nut for life !

      • ABritGuest says:

        Well what was interesting in the article is that it claims that the firm looked at bringing in a crisis PR person to manage the situation after Thomas’ first GMB interview but senior aides dropped the idea when they found out that the PR person was an ex journalist.

        Knowing what we do now I’m guessing it’s more the Sussexes that turned down using this PR person & probably because part of the bargain would have been for them or just Meghan to do a Daily Mail or GMB interview. I think Thomas& his interviews were used as blackmail for press access.

        So that’s why I was wondering if Uncle Gary has been used in a similar manner by the press, especially if unlike Thomas he can’t be cut off because he may have harmful information.

        But it does seem suspect that KP doesn’t seem to have been asked for comment on these most recent interviews or no ‘source’ is out there saying he doesn’t represent views of those at KP. And we know the palace has pressured media orgs about their coverage before ( hello ABC re Andrew or Conde Nast over Catherine the Great Tatler article ) so could definitely have pressured ITV over Thomas’ interviews (remember itv cancelling the random Markles interviews for the wedding). And isn’t Richard Kay in the byline? Would he risk his relationship with KP if this would totally anger Will & Kate?

        So interesting to think who and what is really behind this article.

      • Sofia says:

        @ABritGuest I can totally see KP fully as in William and Kate together approving or at least, not opposing this article. Some posters are saying it could be because separation is imminent but it could also mean the opposite – it isn’t and Gary is speaking with both William and Kate’s “approval” as opposed to just Middletons being involved.

    • Becks1 says:

      The royals could have stopped thomas markle or at least reigned him in somewhat – I think one day we’re going to find out the full story of how involved KP was in keeping him on the air, especially Jason Knauf.

      Here, I believe this is Middleton-sanctioned for the simple reason that Gary Goldsmith does go quiet for years on end. He’s not running to the press every week for some new “insight” into Kate being an amazing royal. So the fact that he’s gone on the record twice in the past month or 6 weeks or so to praise Kate as the second coming tells me he’s doing this with permission.

      ETA its also worth pointing out that he’s being unhinged in Kate’s favor. Kate and KP have never had any problem with people running to the press to praise her, even if it comes with some bits about changing the line of succession or calling her BIL and SIL a muppet.

      • Jessa says:

        Completely off topic but laughing at the ‘reigned’ pun there. Hehe.

      • Sofia says:

        Oh I definitely think he’s speaking with permission or at “worst” isn’t getting any pushback from the Midds. This isn’t the first time he’s spoken recently so if the Midds had any real issue with it, they would have told him to shut up.

        He’s been pretty silent up until recently so clearly, someone somewhere knows how to get him to shut up. And they need to use that again.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Jessa – haha thanks. I was typing fast and used that one and was going to fix it and then thought “well it kind of works anyway for this convo so I’ll leave it” lol

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’ve seen talk of Jason having an anti-Meghan twitter under a false name, now deleted. Not sure if that will ever been proven. Wasn’t there also an RR who was proven to have a twitter under a fake name in which she openly attacked Meghan and sided with the tin hats?

      • Nic919 says:

        The account suspected to be run by Jason conducted an attack campaign against the st Margaret school after they posted a tweet about media studies and students studying the difference in treatment between Kate and Meghan. The school then turned their account private because of the targeted harassment.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Nic919, now I want that account traced back to Jason and part of a civil lawsuit from both Meghan and the school. KP infamy having no bounds.

    • Ginger says:

      I think they can stop Gary. They just didn’t WANT to stop Thomas and Samantha.
      Because (I believe) they were behind it.

      • Seraphina says:

        I think if they weren’t behind Thomas and Sam, then they definitely enabled that situation.

        It did dawn on me, and maybe I am giving too much thought and credit here – maybe PC is giving them enough rope to hang themselves with????

    • Amy Bee says:

      I think the palace was deeply involved in the mess with Meghan’s father. He says the Royal Family owes him. He’s a pathological liar but on this I believe him.

      • Cessily says:

        If this is who the Cambridge’s surround themselves with and give the nod to go with these stories the Monarchy is in worse trouble than anyone realizes.. they used to lock up the crazy relatives for a reason.

      • Ainsley7 says:

        The quote you are referring to is “ “I’m going to defend myself,” he blatantly says. “And I’m going to be paid for it. I’m not going to refuse to get paid for it. I’ll do future things and be paid for it, I think. I don’t care. At this point, they owe me. The royals owe me. Harry owes me. Meghan owes me. What I have been through, I should be rewarded for.”

        He didn’t mean they owe him for things he did for them. He believes they owe him because of everything thing he has had to endure. He sees himself as a victim. He definitely wan’t being egged on by KP. KP put a lot of pressure on Meghan to shut him up and held it against her when she couldn’t.

      • ABritGuest says:

        If KP had really wanted Meghan to shut down her father they would have allowed her to comment on his claims that he didn’t get help pre wedding or that he’d had no contact from her which was his main talking points in his interviews for months. They could have easily allowed ‘sources’ to be used to clarify the support & contact if a direct statement was too on the nose.

        Instead seems KP imposed a no comment policy on her so we only heard about her contacting her dad months later when her friends went to People& about her assistance for her dad during the court case.

        As Shipman claimed, William speaking to editors coincided with newspapers ramping up coverage of strained relationship between Thomas & Meghan. So seems at least some in the firm weren’t too fussed about Thomas’ interviews.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Does anyone really care what Gary Goldsmith has to say? It is Middleton propaganda and everyone knows it.

      • Myra says:

        I’m just waiting for the royal watchers, reporters, experts (the whole carnival) to tell Kate to shut up as Philip has just passed away and the poor queen is still in mourning. It’s what they would have said if it was a friend of Meghan’s talking about the royal family.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Exactly. This is Meghan hate and pro-Kate propaganda, couched in terms of being pro-William.

      • Shahad says:

        I am wondering isn’t Charles going to be upset about this ? People are trying to usurp his life long dream of becoming king 😀

        Lately I have noticed that right wingers and their newspapers seem to be pushing this narrative of skipping Charles. I wonder whether they know something about William that we do not know ? Perhaps he is a right winger and Charles is more liberal and that’s why they want to skip Charles?

      • A says:

        @Shahad, that’s what I suspect is the case. William is the reactionary ahole they’re looking for, the Brexit-voting, Tory supporter, who talks about how people should be taught to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps,” who is “bored” by racism.

        Consider too, the coverage that Kate is getting. Look at how people talked about her visit to the Sarah Everard memorial. The entire vibe is that “she’s woke but not too woke,” which is to say she is not woke at all.

        If we’re using William as a benchmark, then yes, Charles is more liberal than him, as much as Charles can be in this situation (which isn’t much imo). But even that isn’t enough for some people I think.

        I think also that there is some serious worry in certain places that the monarchy will lose its favour with the population when Charles ascends the throne, and they’re trying to do all they can to preserve it. Whether the concerns are valid or not, and the fact that most people don’t care, and that Charles is actually lauded for his service to the nation by a lot of people, isn’t what’s important here. What’s more important is how the grey suits in the palace are choosing to assess the situation, and I think they do have some concerns abt how to sustain popularity and good will for the monarchy if Charles is king.

    • Nic919 says:

      All it would take is a few calls to certain media people to say that any media that speaks to Gary will not get interviews and stories from any of the other royals and they would stop talking to Gary. But they don’t care to stop him. At least KP doesn’t.

      • Ainsley7 says:

        Yes, but that’s assuming the press is interested in the kinds of interviews and info the Royals could give them. The Royals have nothing right now that sells as well as H&M. Except all the drama Uncle Gary could bring, Will’s affair, and probably numerous other things they have been keeping quiet on. It’s why I have always said that the Royals need the press more than the press needs them. Many have disagreed. Sadly, they won’t go after Andrew, but there are legal reasons for that. It isn’t just the Queen holding them back.

    • Jellybean says:

      Darla, that is exactly what I was going to write.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      They can and they have in the past – he’s running his mouth off as the Duchess of Buckleberry has ordered him to.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They used Gary’s money for a decade in the great prince hunt, of course Kate/Carole are egging him on to as their mouthpiece now.

      • Chrissy (The Original) says:

        Exactly. Carole is behind all the recent articles. The uncle has been promised something big in return.

    • Louise177 says:

      I think if not the Palace, the Middletons could control him. I haven’t heard from him until the last week. The Middletons may have released him. Although I don’t know why they thought trashing Meghan and saying Charles should be jumped over is a good idea.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Louise the part about Charles is what makes this such a WTF for me. Even Carole MUST know that is not a smart thing for any Middleton to say publicly, even if they’re secretly thinking & hoping for it. She has to know that angering Charles is not going to do her any favors, right?
        Or does she just anticipate being so coddled and celebrated during William’s reign that she doesn’t even care what Charles thinks of her? Because she should. If she’s behind this, she’s playing a very dangerous game here.

        Uncle Gary here is making me feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I’m an American and even I know how the line of succession works; you do not, ever, for any circumstance, just “skip over” the heir to the throne because the next one might be perceived as being more popular. What is wrong with this man? That fact that he looks like a literal movie villain doesn’t help if he wants to be taken seriously; he looks as if he’s plotting to steal the embryos from Jurassic Park or something.

        The whole thing is so strange — this jackass has been silent for more than a decade and now, all of a sudden, he can’t STFU? And he thinks it’s a good idea to drag Meghan’s name into *every* “interview” he gives about Kate? What a petty little bitch this guy is.

        Also, I’d give anything to be able to watch Charles as he read this article.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ Lorelei, I am with you. This idiot is spewing crap that is harmful to not only the Midd’s reputation but publicly stating that Charles should step aside and allow Baldimort to be seated as king and there could be a job to find for Charles is utterly dangerous and stupid on their part. Uncle Gary has no business in talking up about how Keen Doucheness is the savior to the monarchy when these two idiots can’t even perform the least amount of royal duties. They are inherently lazy and have no desire to put forth the work it requires for them to ascend to the thrown instead of Charles. I am certain that Charles reading this article has solidified his hatred and disgust at the lengths that CarolE will make to force the public into thinking that he isn’t fit or worthy, when it’s actually Baldimort and Keen Doucheness are the least fit.
        Maybe you guys are right!! Uncle Gary is wanting to cash in his chips now due to age and writing on the wall in regards to Baldimort dumping Keen Doucheness.

      • Anance says:

        The Middletons care about William, not Charles. Uncle Garry says what William wants to speak out loud. At the monarchy’s present turnover rate, William may wait until his late 60s to become King.

        After 50 years of elderly monarchs, Parliament may decide to keep William as Prince of Wales and crown George (in his mid-thirties) as a modern King.

        In this scenario, Kate becomes superfluous, as William, Prince of Wales, can easily “do a Camilla” and replace her. If she crowned Queen quickly, it becomes much harder to ditch her.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Louise177, Is this an attempt by the Mids to keep Kant relevant and coupled with Won’t as it pertains to the thrown. I’m getting a very strong feeling that Charles does NOT like the Mids, and he’s made that clear to them recently. I wonder if Ma really thought she would be at Phillip’s funeral?

      • Nic919 says:

        They will never skip Charles. Because if they can skip him, they can skip the Cambridges and go to Harry. The entire point of the BRF is succession by birth order.

        Also edward VIII only abdicated because he was linked to nazis. Charles isn’t the problem Royal here.

    • HeyJude says:

      Yes, they can and IMO they absolutely will if they don’t shut up. William’s going to leave her the first reason she gives him as soon as those kids are a little older and off to school and someone else who’s available and willing is with him. Book it.

      I mean it’d be over right now if Rose Hanbury loved him and wanted in on royalty. Kate would be his ex-wife. It already nearly happened within the first 10 years of their marriage. It’s guaranteed.

      And it’s so obviously clear they all know it. Or else they wouldn’t be coming this hard in the press with the Saint Kate shit, trying to make her look indispensable and so loyal to the Crown. (New flash Middletons- the Windsors don’t give a shit about that.)

      Increasingly at their appearances you can see it written on their faces they dislike each other, especially on William’s end. He appears miserable and these idiotic Middletons won’t shut up so one day they’ll say something too far that makes William enraged. Then he’ll drop her (and them) and freeze her out just as he’s done with Harry.

      Really couldn’t happen to sleezier people though….Oops.

  2. Seraphina says:

    I bet he does think things will need to pass to Willy and Katey Keen ASAP. He has a vested interest in that happening.
    As far as Kate being an asset, the only thing she does that they approve is keeping her mouth shut and accepting everything they serve on that platinum platter.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      To be fair he allegedly invested his drug money in Kate and her sister. There is something definitely going on with William and Kate. The MIddletons are desperate for Khate to be Kween. Is Baldilocks about to dump her? Are things getting very serious with his sidepiece? As bad as the Markles are it boggles the mind that a wife beating drug dealer is given so much air space.

      • Kfg says:

        William is getting rid of her as soon as the queen officially steps down and Charles is supporting it. The midds overplayed their hand. William coming to all of her engagements is evidence that he’s sick of her gaffs and incompetence. She can’t be trusted to make simple conversation. Plus her attempts to upstage him are getting annoying to him and CH

      • Seraphina says:

        As I made my coffee and put in a load of clothes in the wash before the kids were fed, you know, all the duties of a mom that Kate knows about – I did have a thought: Not that I have much knowledge of Royal In Laws before the MiddleClowns but they really have tried to ingrain themselves into the BRF. I joked about the Boleyns but none in recent history have overstepped as this family has. Those who know more please weigh in.
        And my apologies for the run on sentence and fragment sentence.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Kfg the more I see and read the more I have to agree with this theory….I really and truly feel now as soon as Liz passes, I will not be surprised in the slightest if Will kicks Kate to the curb. I could see Charles requesting him to at least wait until then, esp with Harry and Meghan leaving, to make a move. This is why he’s the one (not Meghan) who is increasingly sullen and angry — now he has to wait who-knows-how-long to rid himself of the albatross around his neck.

      • Sid says:

        Kfg, I would not be surprised if that happens. I still remember all the “loving single dad” photos of William and the kids that KP was putting out last year. The meal delivery, his birthday post, and even a holiday photo. The argument was that Kate was the one taking the photos so she couldn’t be in them, but then why not include some pics of Kate and William and the kids? Now, I only see this stuff when CB posts articles, so maybe I missed some posts that were less “single dad” but it sure did make me raise an eyebrow and wonder what message was being sent.

      • Lorelei says:

        @KFG— if true, Charles must be *extremely* torn. On the one hand, he despises the Middletons and I’m sure he’d love to see them (especially Carole with an E) taken down a peg if William does leave Kate.

        On the other hand, the very LAST thing he, and the entire family, needs right now is more personal upheaval, overshadowing any work they might be doing. There have been *so* many major changes over the past 18 months or so that I have to think showing stability and a united front is the most important thing to Charles right now, and his heir divorcing the mother of his three children would do the exact opposite. It would be another complete sh!tshow in the media.

        Idk but the next few years are going to be very interesting to watch.

      • Eating Popcorn says:

        @KFG – After reading your comments and those of @swirlmamd I am wondering if this is why Baldimort is SO angry with House Sussex. If he were planning on leaving Keen and Charles said not while TQ is alive, well, perhaps that is why he is so angry. This might also explain Harry’s comments that Baldimort is trapped….

      • Sofia says:

        @Lorelei I agree. It would cause a lot of upheaval at a time when there’s already enough going on as it. Plus I do think both William and Kate are getting something from this marriage even if it’s not totally happy anymore – Kate gets titles, wealth and status and William gets to project the “doting dad of 3 who married his college sweetheart” with the marriage which he can then use to contrast against and hate on his father’s and brother’s marriages. There’s also the whole “middle class” cosplay and image he likes to put out and it works “better” for the general public (I guess) if he’s married to a middle class woman.

        But if they do reach a point where divorce is going to happen, my bet is that they’ll save it for 2-3 years after Charles ascends. People will have gotten used to a new monarch and the hoopla around HM’s death will be reduced so a massive upheaval could be done.

      • Anance says:

        Well, Charles will rid the monarchy of Andrew before Kate. If William dumps Kate and Andrew is still around – the BRF will lose almost all their soft power.

        Getting rid of the Duke of Windsor and replacing him with his staid brother helped the monarchy so much.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Anance, I don’t understand your comment. I don’t see Kate as contributing to
        “soft” power. There’s always Edward, but I think they need to look at some of the younger royals–of which there are many. Charles just needs to commit to one or two of them taking a roles for a certain period of time. I think that could actually be good for the Monarchy. Kate take up space. That’s it. If they have Beatrice or Eugenia stand in periodically at royal functions, they MIGHT get some interest from the younger generation.

      • SurelyNot says:

        We can only hope! I am sure they will quietly negotiate her getting the two spares as long as they get to keep George. I’m sure lazy won’t mind as long as she can negotiate a good settlement in exchange for giving up the oldest.
        Let’s hope the replacement is at least adept at public speaking and with better skin and an acceptable pedigree.
        Being snarky, it would be cool if it were Mrs. Rocksavage, she could bring the throne with her as part of her dowry.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Kate having soft power is a laughable idea.

        If William wants a divorce, he’ll get one. If the Middletons go quietly, it goes nicely. If they protest, the BRF and Tories go full-blast against them. It can be couched as college sweethearts who grew apart, stress of royal work (blame Harry and Meghan), or it can be couched as the Manipulative Middletons took advantage of poor William and also drove Meghan out. Carole and Uncle Gary are providing plenty for the royals to use against Kate in a divorce.

  3. Unionsnack says:

    I find it’s just another part of Carole/ midds attack. Carole realizes everything, that’s why Uncle Gary is allowed to speak. Carole realizes that Charles won’t do a single thing to stop it. He might be upset about it, but he hadn’t done anything when midds did the same to Harry and Meg. So won’t protect himself either.

    • Brittany says:

      Charles intervenes in the press frequently to protect himself or Camilla. We may well see him respond.

    • Tour-malin says:

      Carole will not stop untill she makes her daughter Queen consort, her son-in-law King and herself Queen-King Mother. That is her clear and obvious goal for more than two decades now. And she knows very well how to manipulate people and the press into it. I am curious how it will work out for her. Popcorn’s out LOL

      • UnionSnack says:

        Yes, agree here. My thought here is that Carole obsessed with being “posh”& “aristo” as much as possible. When Kate dated William she got a lot of humiliation (“Doors to Manual” “wisteria sisters” etc), but I guess they both believed that “after” marriage Kate and family would be accepted. Still no. Royal family also didn’t accept Middletons as far as royal family tried to be welcoming though (see the diamond jubilee). After that Charles stopped inviting them. So Carole and Kate decided to join aristo set, but we all know what happened at Turnip Toffs. Charles doesn’t like ‘em and I believe William and Kate won’t get PoW right after Charles is King. That’s why Carole push it aggressively. Unfortunately for her Charles is the wall between her and throne, title, money, jewels, courtesies etc.

      • Sunday says:

        100% agree. As technically impossible as it may seem, Carole fully intends to see her daughter as Queen consort. Think about it – she’s come this far, do you think she really intends to sit back getting old and gray with Charles on the throne, waiting around for another couple of decades for the cambridge’s coronation? No way. I know that in reality there are laws and regulations that would have to be changed in order for this to happen, but when have these people ever lived in reality, subject to laws and regulations? If Carole has to completely tank Charles & Camilla’s reputations in order to sway public opinion to make Charles’ reign as short as possible, she’ll do it. If she has to install sycophants in the government itself to rig votes to change laws, she’ll do it. Her efforts will probably fail and will certainly cause absolute chaos. The royal family will reap what they’ve sown and it will be a disaster. Can’t wait to watch the wreckage!

      • Sid says:

        This is why I hope Charles takes after his mom, dad, and grandma and lives another 30 years. Keep the Cambridges and Mrs. Middleton away from the throne as long as possible.

      • SurelyNot says:

        @ Sunday — to be fair, if Carol Middleton can ::checks notes:: install sycophants in the government itself to rig votes to change laws…maybe we SHOULD be letting her manage things, it would beat the heck out of the crap the BRF is putting out now.

      • bettyrose says:

        If this is the kind of press they can get away with now, when Kate’s future as FFQC isn’t even a guarantee, imagine who they’ll be when she is QC.

    • Me says:

      So has Middleton Manor gotten a whiff of plans to divorce? Is PWT no longer putting his head in her lap and whining fir toasted cheese sandwiches?

      • bamaborn says:

        😂😅

      • Lorelei says:

        But how does Carole possibly think that going about it this way is a good idea?! How?? If and when Charles decides to fight back, he will win. It seems like all of these articles are practically baiting Charles to react.
        And I would *not* want to be Carole once Charles decides he’s had it with this BS.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Enter the crisis managers!

  4. Digital Unicorn says:

    He and Carol(e) need to stop smoking their own product it’s making them paranoid.

    Also, they know the Cambridge marriage won’t last long enough for Top CEO to be Queen Consort, it will be lucky to survive long enough to get Diana’s title.

    The PR desperation means they are desperate to hide something, I think the Cambridges have pretty much separated and that it’s going to be on the front page at some point. They quite literally cannot stand to be in each others company.

    • OriginalLala says:

      I think you’re on to something – the sugary Kate pieces have been in crazy overdrive lately, almost like her camp is doing a preemptive strike

    • Couch potato says:

      Yes! What they don’t seem to realise is that uncle Gary’s comments can be used against Keen in the long run. He’s not only attacking Chuck, but also the queen in this article. She’s sacred for many old royalists. Wouldn’t surprise me if the aristos are more frosty towards the family and Keen after she tried to take on Rose (with the Tatler article being a warning shot), and the Midds are desperate to at least have “the commoners” on Keens side.

      • MipMip says:

        His shade for the queen stood out to me too. It’s risky enough coming for Charles but the comments about the queen… the Middletons are really going for broke here. The end of the Keens is nigh.

      • Ann says:

        Exactly, and the whole notion of the monarchy skipping over Charles is ludicrous. The whole point of the Windsors is they are tradition-bound, and that’s what keeps them afloat and alive, what keeps people tolerating and paying for them. The Queen isn’t going to sanction it going to William, Parliament isn’t, Charles certainly isn’t, and not even the public. The might not love him but they know it’s his turn.

        Also, and I can say this until I’m blue in the face but apparently it doesn’t matter, why can’t he praise Kate without bashing Meghan? WTF does Meghan have to do with this? I mean, it seems like Uncle Gary is mad at a woman who left the country over a year ago and never plans to return, who has no impact on Kate’s life any more, or shouldn’t.

        Kate still feels in competition with Meghan, and there’s a reason why, and I really, really want to know what it is.

      • MerryGirl says:

        The competition is Harry….Kate can’t stand losing Harry to Meghan, she harbors an insane crush and ownership over Harry. Look at how she looked at him at across the aisle at the funeral.

      • Monica says:

        “If you come at the Queen, you’d best not miss.” 🤣

  5. SarahCS says:

    She’s got the common touch?? Bah hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Excuse me while I buy some ££££ clothes and play tennis while the nanny looks after my children. Oh, wait, what’s that? I actually am common and don’t live in a bubble of delusion and privilege? Shoot.

    As to the no self-interest comment, please, Carole, you’re killing us here.

  6. Persephone says:

    I mean, what more do they want? Meghan and Harry left.

    • Chrissy (The Original) says:

      I guess they need a reason to deflect from the disaster that is the Cambridge marriage. Now instead of just Harry being The Incandescent One’s scapegoat, HM have both become scapegoats for the Cambs. Uncle Gary is laughable and Carole must be desperate to involve him in any PR. He’s a joke.

      • Shahad says:

        Maybe they feel Charles will be the last monarch, I mean if he lives to 95 I think the there may not be a monarchy in another 20 years .

      • SurelyNot says:

        @ Shahad — we can hope. The Age of Monarchy should come to an end. I don’t care who gets the blame for the sake of gossip.

  7. Emily says:

    >>’ There isn’t any self-interest about Kate’s work. I wish I could say the same about Meghan,’ says Gary.’

    There isn’t any work about Kate’s work. As an Early Years mum in England, I can confirm that the only way that the Five Big Questions has helped my mental health is via all the fun I have reading everybody slagging it off over here on Celebitchy. I’m pretty sure that Kaiser has done more to promote maternal mental health than Kate has.

    • Kfg says:

      The more he slanders Meghan and Harry the more ammo CH and PWT have to blame Kate for H&M leaving. They’re going to slaughter the midds and Kate in the press and that whole constant reminder that she stalked will for years is going to be used to show she intentionally caused the rift between Hand W.

      • JT says:

        Charles better start now because allowing Uncle Hookers and Blow (credit to the CBer who thought of this) makes him look weak. This entire article is ridiculous. He’s advocating to skip the line of succession? Then what the hell is the point of the monarchy then? This was no doubt sanctioned by CarolE, so it’s time for Charles to buck up and out them on notice.

      • Sid says:

        “They’re going to slaughter the midds and Kate in the press and that whole constant reminder that she stalked will for years is going to be used to show she intentionally caused the rift between Hand W.”

        Yes. During the week of the Oprah interview, before it aired, CB posted about an article from one of the main BM tabloids and it stated that Kate made Meghan cry at the fitting. Everyone thought it was a typo at the time, and the online version of the article was eventually revised. But now I wonder if it was a typo or a pre-emptive strike from William’s side. I say William’s side because the article made everyone look bad while trying to make William look good, so the “source” was rather obvious.

      • Dl says:

        Perhaps Charles is waiting for May. The new team may be tasked with Willnot divorce first.

      • Lorelei says:

        @JT, ita, these articles are all starting to make Charles look so weak and ineffectual— for a while I agreed with others here who believed he was purposely letting them continue with this inane Queen Kate campaign, giving the Cambridges enough rope to hang themselves, which is why this sh!t has continued for so long. He knew they were only making asses of themselves. But imo they’ve gone too far.

        Eventually Charles is going to snap. And Uncle Gary publicly advocating “skipping over” Charles might be what finally crosses the line for Charles and causes him to lose it with all of the Middletons, including Bill and Kate.

        Charles must be so angry at this crap at this point, especially since he only buried his father, what, two weeks ago? And I’m sure he still has very raw emotions over the situation with Harry.

        So he’s already in a pretty bad place, psychologically, and it’s like Carole just keeps poking him with a stick; he’s been quiet until now, but sooner or later he will lose his sh!t and they’ll sorely regret all of these articles.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Kaiser and the posters here have been a mainstay in my mental health in the last year. We all owe her and CB an enormous debt.

      • Gail Hirst says:

        Hear, hear. Right here.

      • Dl says:

        Oh all of you have literally saved my life. Depression and bad thoughts are no joke. I have said before that there were days I only got up to read this website

      • Commonwealthy sounded witty at first says:

        Hear hear

      • LahdidahBaby says:

        Agreed, Nota, and thanks for saying it. Pandemic blues have made me less chatty here than I used to be–and btw, I miss some of our old buddies like Sixer, but that’s another post–but coming here to this charmingly disrespectful and savvy outpost has saved my life each day since Covid reared its horrendously ugly head. xxx

      • Kkat says:

        Oh yes, between 2020 in general and the trump crap specifically, CB site and it’s commenters have kept me sane.

        It was my soft sweet oasis of sanity

      • SurelyNot says:

        @ Nota — stay well. Your insights are always informative and I always read your comments thinking that you have more secrets than the Royals ;)

      • akdash47 says:

        It’s true! This website has been a real lifeline during this pandemic. Now I feel bad for not posting more. I’ll try to do better, LOL. Thank you, Kaiser and CB!

    • swirlmamad says:

      LOL — so very true!!!

  8. Cecilia says:

    I hope charles steps up to the plate soon and puts the middletons firmly in their place. Seriously tho. What is it with the media (not just camp midds) and skipping charles all of a sudden? Its not going to happen ever.

    • equality says:

      Charles has already been named as the Queen’s successor by the Queen and Parliament. You would think somebody from the UK would understand how a monarchy works. You don’t get to campaign and get voted into the top spot; that sort of goes against the whole definition of monarchy. It does NOT go by worthiness or merit of any kind. It’s a birth lottery.

      • Tessa says:

        The moment CHarles was born he was heir apparent. That was that.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Equality: SERIOUSLY. These people love to go on and on about how Meghan just didn’t “get” it, didn’t understand how things worked, etc.

        Well, this ridiculous little man has been British his entire life and clearly has no idea how succession works in the BRF, so they can all take a seat and remind themselves of this before they accuse Meghan of failing to be able to grasp the “rules” or whatever.

    • Pepperpot says:

      “Put them in their place” so much classism.

      Charles is a coward.

      • Nivz says:

        @pepperpot – not necessarily classism in this case. I think of it as akin to a corporate set up where the CEO (not “top CEO” of course!) has to deal with rowdy board members trying to undermine him.

    • TeamMeg says:

      Doesn’t what Uncle Gary said basically amount to treason? Off with his head!! As for KK having “the Diana touch” LMAO. Regarding Harry looking “lost” at the funeral, I think not. He looked like exactly who he is: A man of honor in full command of his destiny.

      • Chrissy (The Original) says:

        And he obviously in mourning for his grandfather. Geez!

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        Meghan and Harry both possess the “Diana Touch,” not Kate. Kate tries and does her best, I think- but she doesn’t possess the same warmth and charisma. Both PWT and the Hyena know that, too… that’s why they lost H&M.

  9. Snuffles says:

    Charles need to declare war on the Middletons. Release the hounds. Release the kraken. Dracarys those bitches. It would be SO easy for him to authorize the tabloids to release all the Middleton secrets. Of which I am sure there are MANY. If the BM want to feast on someone, feast on them. Then William can use it as an excuse to divorce Kate and run into his Rose’s arms.

    • The Hench says:

      I am right with you on this. “Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war” and all that. Or even just a quiet word in Carole’s shell like that says “Ahem, for the good of your health and fortune I would stop there if I were you.”

      Even if Charles himself doesn’t want to do it there’s got to be a courtier who can?

      The only thing I can think of that might stay his hand is that Wills still regards Carole as his second mummy – but that second mummy is also releasing stories that infantilise him to embiggen Kate so….

      I’m so perplexed.

    • BearcatLawyer says:

      I suspect that the reason why all these “Kate is amazing now, was amazing from the start, and will be an even more amazing queen” stories is because KP and BP have some major dirt on the Bucklebury pot farm. No one really knows how the Middletons afforded their lifestyle all these years, and while Uncle Gary is rich, there are questions about his finances too. Running a huge grow operation in a rural Berkshire village seems like a good way to make large sums of off the books cash. Launder it through Party Pieces et voila!

      I feel like the Middletons are reminding the BRF that they better be protected too. They do not want the FFQ and the mother of a future king to be tarnished as the product of drug money.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I doubt the Midds are running that op. It was a way for the tabloids to go after them publicly, by constantly putting their name in all the articles about it. It would be hilarious if it turned out to be how James is making money these days though. Following in Uncle Gary’s footsteps after he failed at all legal/legit business efforts, even with massive funding from sucker BIL Moderately Wealthy.

      • anotherlily says:

        The Middletons may not have been running the pot farm but they’ve got something to hide. Party Pieces is now with a holding company which can be a way of avoiding going into liquidation. It could never have made enough money legitimately to support their lifestyle. Money laundering for Gary’s drug dealings is my guess.

        They sold their London flat in 2018, shortly after ‘unexplained wealth orders’ (UWOs) were introduced to the UK legal system. A UWO can be issued by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO), the National Crime Agency (NCA), HM Revenue. It focuses on an asset, like a house, andrequires the owner to explain how it was acquired. If they do not provide an adequate explanation, the asset can be considered “recoverable property” under the Proceeds of Crime Act.

        A UWO is intended to “access evidence that otherwise would not be available’’. So the Middletons’ simple expedient of keeping Party Pieces as a private limited company wouldn’t be enough to hide their finances.

        Investigators started targeting London properties which had been bought for cash, like the Middletons’ flat which had been bought, for cash, to give Kate a London base so that she was available to William. 2018 was also when Alizee Thevenet appeared on the scene as James Middleton’s girlfriend. She just happens to have a career in investment and finance.

        My guess is that investigators might looking at the Goldsmith and Middleton assets. Something seems to be making them nervous. They seem keen to express their loyalty to William and remind him how wonderful Kate is. It would be a huge scandal if they were shown to be connected to drug dealing and money laundering.

    • Gabby says:

      That’s what I thought. This is just so over the top that it harms Kate. It gives Will and Chuck ammunition to justify a divorce. Maybe Will even engineered this piece with the DM.

      He could just be waiting until the 10th anniversary hype blows over or for the queen to die. If Chuck wasn’t on board for a Cambridge divorce before, this may be what tips him over the edge.

      • Lorelei says:

        If all of this is true, and if things continue to go the way they are now, I don’t know that William would be able to wait until after the Queen passes.

        I definitely believe that was the plan, but things seem to be reaching a breaking point and the Queen could, conceivably, live for almost another decade. I’m not convinced that William wants a divorce, but if he does, I think his intentions were to wait until his grandmother was gone before taking any action. But it doesn’t seem like the Cambridges’ current situation is sustainable for years and years.

        I don’t know, it just feels like something has got to give because it’s untenable for everyone involved for this crap to continue indefinitely.

        @DU what on earth is Charles waiting for?? I guess he couldn’t very well make any sort of scene so close to the death of his father, but Carole might have crossed the line with this one. I can’t wait until he fights back because Carole will not win this one.

        @Snuffles LMAO at “Release the Kraken!”

      • Becks1 says:

        @Lorelei – I have a few scenarios in my head but in the one where William wants a divorce NOW – that’s why he’s so mad at Sussexit, because he was told to hold off (Middletons see this as a chance to get extra good press for Kate) – now Philip has died, he’s told to hold off some more, if the Queen passes in the next year or two he’ll be told to hold off again – and Kate is okay with it because shes still getting what she wants -title, money, status – and the longer this goes on the better for her, in her mind.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Chuck is biding his time, he will burn them at some point – he’s just waiting for the time where William isn’t going to burn him for it. And i think we are close to getting to that point – these stories where Carol(e) is undermining Cain is only going to p!ss him off. He’s tired of Kate and he will tire of the whole family soon enough.

      The sec William wants a divorce, Chuck will throw the lit match on the dry tinder.

      My money is on a divorce happening once TQ passes.

      • Jaded says:

        That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking too. He’s clearly of the “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” school of thought. He’ll keep doing what he’s doing — i.e. laying low, doing the odd public event, but quietly putting all the chess pieces into place. He’s deliberately letting Ma Midd and Uncle Wifebeater make fools of themselves as they desperately try to shore up a marriage that is floundering badly.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Digital Unicorn, what if TQ makes PC Prince Regent which I think IF it happens will happen this year? Would that afford W the opportunity to go forward with a divorce. TQ would still be alive, but do we think that if PC is in charge that she would care? I cannot imagine that she likes or respects Kant. I don’t know much about TQ, except that she has worked hard for the Monarchy all of these years. Kant hasn’t been able to do any work for 5 minutes.

    • HeatherC says:

      As King George III sang (Hamilton) “They will tear each other into pieces. Jesus Christ this will be fun!”

      I’ve got my popcorn ready.

    • SurelyNot says:

      This makes sense — destroy her family and then kick her to the curb. Negotiate for George and let her keep the spares as a consolation prize for being quiet.

  10. S808 says:

    These are KP approved interviews imo. If they wanted to gag him, they would.

    • Snuffles says:

      I dunno man. I think the tabs are letting the Middletons run their mouths in an effort to bait Charles. If they can’t have Harry and Meghan, they want a war between the heirs.

  11. Cee says:

    He needs to wash his mouth before uttering one word about Meghan. The wife beater needs to shut up and go back to his borderline criminal, obscure life.

    • The Hench says:

      Yeah, I mean using UNCLE GARY to trot out this nonsense is laughable. The man with more skeletons in his closet than the Catacombs of Paris.

      • booboocita says:

        “… more skeletons in his closet than the Catacombs of Paris.” BWAH-HA-HA! I am *so* stealing this …

  12. India says:

    Uncle Grossness strikes again.

  13. Belli says:

    I’ll just say this is a convincing parody and leave it there.

  14. Amy Bee says:

    Kate and Carole can’t speak out about Harry and Meghan so they let Uncle Gary do their dirty work for them. This confirms that everything that was said in the Tatler article was approved by KP, they just didn’t like the reaction to it. Also, I always believed that the idea of William skipping Charles came from KP.

    • Cecilia says:

      Its a dumb idea because its not even possible. Nor do i think the queen would want her son to be skipped

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Cecilia: I agree it’s dumb but this is William we’re dealing with, not the sharpest tool in the shed. Also, the press get their talking points directly from the palace.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Amy Bee, this strategy seems too stupid for even William to be on board with it? And that says a lot imo. We knew he’s dumber than a bag of hair and that his PR instincts are bad, but THIS bad? This must just be Carole wilding, right? Because if William approved this? Yikes

        One of the very few demographics still solidly on the Cambridges’ side are the hard-core, old school royalists, and I don’t think they would take kindly to a suggestion to just scrap all of the rules for William?

    • notasugarhere says:

      Carole has done her own public anti-Meghan interviews, with the drivel about being royal is more than giving speeches, etc.

  15. ABritGuest says:

    Been waiting for this article to be discussed! He he

    It is bonkers! I can’t work out whether the press are using him to troll Kate with him giving these outlandish interviews to remind of her background, whether this is endorsed by the Middleton camp & they are getting quite desperate bts & if so why or if he’s just a total loose cannon.

    The article mentions that he’s been brought in by the Middletons unlike Thomas Markle & he says KP tells him to give the heads up on any interviews. So kind of suggests he’s their endorsed attack dog. But why would they think openly campaigning for Charles to be shoved out the way is a good look? And this on the back of the usual sponsored YouGov polls saying William should be next, wonder how Charles will react?

    All I’m getting from the constant Meghan attacks from the Middleton camp is that they are obsessed with Meghan, jealous of impact she had with her work, bitter Harry’s not here for Kate& probably have some troll accounts.

    Press have had lots of comments that it’s only Meghan holding Harry back from reconciling with his family. Sadly I can see why Meghan had suicidal thoughts when people are openly signalling in the press (and no doubt bts when she was in England) it would be better if she wasn’t around & Harry was happier.

    • Lauren says:

      I don’t get why Chuck is allowing this. Are they pushing this now because they know that he is grieving and vulnerable? They are being allowed to do this, Chuck should step up and put them on notice like he tried to do to Netflix for “ruining his reputation”.

      • Jaded says:

        Chuck is letting them have as much rope as they want in order to finally hang themselves. He’s been at this game a lot longer than Keen and Mean and the dime store Midds. Tactically it will only benefit Chuck to rise above the fray until TQ passes, then lower the boom on the Cambridges – make it abundantly clear that they grow up and step up to the plate to do some real work or there’s going to be a shitstorm of leaks about them that will finish them and their sham marriage off.

    • MsIam says:

      The press think Meghan is keeping Harry from his precious “family”? You know I wondered about that article the other day by one of the rats referring to the new baby as “Meghans daughter” like Harry had nothing to do with her, but it makes sense now if this is their attitude towards Meg. Harry should never, ever go back there again because to deny his own children? What could be more heinous than that?

  16. Becks1 says:

    Yeah someone at KP or Middleton Manor is about to get a very angry phone call from Charles. wtf. having your uncle go out there and publicly say that Charles should be skipped?? And they could find Charles “another amazing role”? He has an amazing and important role. He’s the Prince of Wales and the next in line to be king.

    Also, with the bit about how W&K could have an even longer reign – that’s really not likely, is it? Let’s say the queen dies next year. For William to have a 70 year reign, he would have to live to be 110. Even for the Windsors, that’s a stretch.

    Finally, it’s gross that KP keeps pushing this idea that Harry just needs to come back and be the happy trio with William and Kate. Like, do people realize how sick that makes them sound? I saw one comment on twitter about how sad Harry probably was when he woke up on Louis’ birthday, because he knew he had messed up and he was in california instead of being able to spend the whole day with his brother and SIL and their children, celebrating Louis. Yeah I’m sure Harry was miserable as he woke up in California with his wife that he is madly in love with, who’s about to give birth to their daughter, and his adorable son, in their mansion with the 16 bathrooms and the pool and playground and tea house and proximity to the beach and his meetings with California power players etc. Yeah, he sounds really miserable to me because he isn’t at Anmer with Louis.

    These people are really going off the deep end.

    • Belli says:

      That whole idea is so disgusting.

      Even if Harry were single and didn’t have children, his life doesn’t revolve around the Cambridges just because they think they’re the centre of the universe.

      He has his own life!

    • Snuffles says:

      I think maybe Harry was an effective buffer between Kate and William. When he left and effectively pulled his support of Kate, things must have gone south between the Cambridges pretty quickly. When did the rumors start that they were basically living separate lives? I think William getting COVID and Kate and the kids not getting it was the first clue.

      • Emily_C says:

        I’m an only child, and so is my husband. But am I wrong in thinking it would be deeply weird and incestuous if Harry and Kate really were as close as the tabloids and Kate stans want them to be? Being friends with your in-laws, great, but this is brother-husband territory.

      • Zebz says:

        @emily_c I agree with you. I also got incestuous undertones from Dan woottens letter to William. That was creepy as hell and what makes it creepier is that I am positive that came from William himself. Also all of the comments of William needing Harry to put him before his wife and kids on places like cnn etc. Kate and William both essentially positioned Harry as their life partner. Creepy af.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Harry never supported Kate, they aren’t close and never have been. From day one of Meghan entering Harry’s life, Kate was already working against her (shopping expedition anyone?). Harry knows that.

    • Kalana says:

      I feel like stan culture has led to lower emotional maturity and intelligence. Being sad about Harry having his own family rather than babysitting Will and Kate as the Trio is something a child would say because they’re upset their fave has a gf. But this is coming from adults and mostly white women fantasizing about marrying Harry and treating the royals like they’re real life dolls. It’s creepy as hell.

      • JT says:

        I don’t even think Harry gave Kate any support. He was mostly doing his own thing and he was barely out of the military before he met Meghan. His so called calming presence seems to be greatly exaggerated. Even people thinking he was somehow a buffer between the Keens seems absurd, because that would imply he was always around them, even in his private time. We know he was building Invictus, working in Africa, and doing his own royal engagements. So when could he have offered his support?

    • Ann says:

      It’s so weird and sad the way they think Harry was happier as a third wheel to his brother and his wife, happier as an Uncle than a Father. I mean, I love my siblings and nieces and nephews but would I just want to hang around waiting for my sister or brother to need me to hang around with them being a “Throuple,” or waiting for my niece’s birthday party? Of course not. Who wants to be “Uncle Harry” forever?

      And the way they talk about his “wife,” theoretical or actual, like she was just an appendage to “make him happy” on the side and be, I don’t know, a fourth wheel? Like her person and happiness didn’t matter?

    • February-Pisces says:

      I definitely think that Kate wants to be wife to one prince and lover to the other. Or atleast that’s what keeps coming up in my tarot readings regarding Kate’s interest in harry. She definitely has some sort of weird obsession with him and seems determined to ruin Meghan, like she has with his other relationships.

      Keen stans seem to want this too, like they are so desperate for harry to fancy Kate, cos they think of he fancies someone as dull as her, then their boring selves might have a chance with him too. But I think kate would the last woman on earth he would ever get with.

    • notasugarhere says:

      I don’t think Charles communicates with Clan Middleton. If there is a rebuttal, it will be done via Charles’s press contacts sniffing around Goldsmith/Middleton finances, Gary’s wife beating, etc.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Yeah I think there will be a story about him in the coming days, reminding us that he’s a drug dealing wife beater.

    • Monica says:

      A good author could make a freaking mint fictionalizing all this drama.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Becks the part about “finding Charles another role” is what took me OUT. Can you even fcking imagine Charles reading that?? I know there are jokes made about the neighboring pot farm or whatever, but in all seriousness, I want some of whatever Uncle Gary is taking since it appears to completely detach him from reality.

      When Charles retaliates, I hope it’s more than an “angry phone call.” I hope he goes for all-out war with the Cambridges in the press because that’s exactly what they deserve at this point.

      @Kalana ITA about the creepiness factor in all of the discussions about Harry. It’s off the charts.

    • booboocita says:

      “I’m sure Harry was miserable as he woke up in California with his wife that he is madly in love with, who’s about to give birth to their daughter, and his adorable son, in their mansion with the 16 bathrooms and the pool and playground and tea house and proximity to the beach and his meetings with California power players etc.”

      And the Chick’Inn. Don’t forget the Chick’Inn.

  17. Eleonor says:

    “Charles has to step in and shut down the Middletons in some big way? Because it really can’t go on like this. It’s painful.”
    I don’t know, is there a chance they are letting the Middleton do all the dirty work ?

    • The Hench says:

      But the dirty work they’re doing includes undermining and belittling Charles’ position and work, suggesting he should not take the role he’s been waiting 50 years for and saying that his lazy son – against AAALLL evidence to the contrary – would make a better monarch than him.

      I mean….why the hell would he be supporting this take?

      I suspect he is, like the Queen, hoping that if he keeps his head down it will all go away. He also knows that it’s no simple thing to undermine the hereditary principle. These Middleton fools keep acting like it’s just a matter of someone handing in their notice.

      • Lorelei says:

        @TheHench: ITA that Charles avoids confrontation with his sons at all costs, but he also has an enormous ego, and some of the claims being made in these articles must really be getting to him. I mean, just your first paragraph alone seems like it could anger Charles enough that he wouldn’t be able to help lashing out.

        @Jaded do you think Charles would be able to continue ignoring this until his mother passes? Because I think some of the crap coming from the Middletons is egregious enough that Charles will have to hit back sooner rather than later. He’s only human, and he’s just coming off of one of the most awful years of his life.

        Even if he would rather wait for the Queen to be gone, idk if he’ll be able to restrain himself for that long? The Cambridges/Middletons seem have been pushing at him harder and harder recently, and once he’s done with the immediate grieving period for his father, he might let loose on them.

        Personally I can’t even STAND Charles, and even I think it’s low for them to be doing this right after his father died. And there must be other people who feel that way, too. Whatever is driving her, Carole has really gone off the deep end.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Lorelei, I think Charles could have the crisis managers help out here. If he waits a week, he could respond with some kind of coordinated plan. I also think that this could dovetail into a Cam divorce if it’s done well. Is Ma Mids this short sighted?

    • Jaded says:

      Charles is letting the Midds hang themselves. He could have his press people/courtiers all over them and their shady business stuff but revenge is a dish best served cold and once TQ shuffles off this mortal coil you’re going to see some interesting changes. If I were Keen and Mean, I’d be very worried.

  18. Lightpurple says:

    This dude needs to work on his math and learn some basic biology. He wants William to have a longer reign than Elizabeth? Elizabeth took the throne at 26, William is 39. If he took the throne today and reigned for as long as Elizabeth, he would be 108. And he’s not taking the throne today. Or tomorrow. Or next year.

    He’s also not just pushing Charles out of the way, he’s trying to shove Elizabeth off the throne. He repeatedly says she’s stepping down, she’s not.

    And someone needs to clue him in that Kate’s reign doesn’t continue past William. He dies or steps down or divorces her, she’s done.

    • equality says:

      He claims H&M are “slagging off the RF”, how is he not doing worse? He is basically wishing the Queen ill health or death so W&K can take over.

    • Marianne Hord says:

      Also lets be honest. How long is the monarchy going to really last? I think most people “stay” out of respect for the queen but once she dies I dont know if there will really be a lot of public favour towards them. I think monarchy will eventually be abolished.

  19. Lauren says:

    We know that when the aides want to they can gag friends and family and forbid them from talking to the press. So why are they allowing this? Is this to counter a story that says that Willnot and Cannot don’t sleep in the same bed? Throwing the Sussexes (that have already removed themselves from that context) under the bus can only achieve so much. The Middletons do want to make an enemy of Chuck though by continuously suggesting that Willnot is a better alternative to Chuck. Camilla doesn’t care, Chuck does.

    • Cecilia says:

      I think its to warm the public up to “kate is just like diana” rhetoric. They tried that angle when the cambs first got married. It didn’t work because kate is boring. They are trying it again now either because they are smelling fire or because its easier to sell kate as the new diana if they make meghan out to be some selfish money hungry monster.

      • Lauren says:

        The “Kate is just like Diana” fanfic has been pushed since they married. Kate tried everything. Dressing like Diana, posing like Diana, trying to seem engaged like Diana, showing big blue every time, using her kids. It hasn’t worked. This isn’t the Middletons pushing Kate as the new Diana. Something bigger is brewing. They are pushing Kate as the saviour of the monarchy and pushing William over Charles. Something is seriously wrong in KP and I wonder how long until the RR realises that they can and will sell that sht faster and longer than Philips funeral.

      • February-Pisces says:

        I think kate and Ma thought that as soon as she married him, she would automatically become the new Diana by default, and that all their hard work was done. They had no idea it had just begun. Kate doesn’t even compare, she just doesn’t have it. Meghan has that star quality but in a different way to Diana, she’s her own person and doesn’t try to be her.

    • notasugarhere says:

      This is the Middletons acting against Charles, and spinning in the event of William dumping Kate. Charles may sit back and see what William does, before deciding how to counter it himself. If William has already gone to Charles and admitted he wants a divorce? The two of them would need to work together to use all of Gary’s words against Kate. The more Uncle Gary preaches the Queen abdicating and skipping Charles, the more ammunition a Charles/William team would have against Kate and Carole in a divorce.

  20. harla says:

    Wow this guy is truly unhinged! Charles must be pissed about the constant theme, of skipping him and giving the throne to W&K, comin from KP. And I’m shocked that so many British citizens seem to have no idea how hereditary monarchy works, they just can’t find “another amazing role” for Charles, He Is The Heir!

    • Jaded says:

      Charles is probably laughing. Uncle Wifebeater is nothing more than a mere fly buzzing around Charles’ ear and any day now he will get swatted down and squashed along with Ma Midd.

  21. Sofia says:

    Oh good. We’ve gone from “unnamed sources” to one of the Middleton adjacents openly saying “Skip a generation”. It’s not going to happen. A precedent where you can “skip” to whoever you want as King/Queen is not one the royals/government should be setting.

  22. josephine says:

    The “royals” repeatedly have shown themselves to be classless garbage and worse, happy to cover-up for the disgusting predator. It’s time their country starts to realize that and get rid of them. They are an international embarassment, the equivalent of a trashy reality show. The only decent thing about that family lives in the States.

    • Sid says:

      That scene from the recent season of The Crown where Anderson’s Thatcher, during her Balmoral visit, tells her husband that the BRF is basically low-rent and trashy was really something. Even if Thatcher never said it in real life, the fact that the writers would even include it says something.

  23. Enny says:

    What is this obsession with people using the particular phrase “hasn’t put a foot wrong” to describe Kate? Am I missing something? Is it some sort of code? Aren’t there other platitudes they could try, or is it literally that she has never, actually, tripped over her own feet, so at least she has that? 🤔

    • Becks1 says:

      It’s weird, right? They ALL use it – RRs, family members like Gary, inside sources – she has never put a foot wrong and she is keen. And its weird because there are many examples of her “putting a foot wrong” – so why keep insisting she’s perfect?

    • OriginalLala says:

      The RRs have a small bank of words/phrases that they use for Kate, it’s so weird : “keen”, “hasn’t put a wrong foot forward”, “peacemaker”..unoriginal and also plain wrong lol

      • Anance says:

        The Middletons care about William, not Charles. Uncle Garry says what William wants to speak out loud. At the monarchy’s present turnover rate, William may wait until his late 60s to become King.

        After 50 years of elderly monarchs, Parliament may decide to keep William as Prince of Wales and crown George (in his mid-thirties) as a modern King.

        In this scenario, Kate becomes superfluous, as William, Prince of Wales, can easily “do a Camilla” and replace her. If she crowned Queen quickly, it becomes much harder to ditch her.

    • Seraphina says:

      She may not have put a foot wrong but she sure has put a whole lot of other body parts wrong.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Seraphina, I can’t remember who it was, but last week when we were talking about this same thing, one of the other commenters here said something like, “Well, technically it’s true — an ass is not a foot” and I have been laughing my ass off ever since.

        “An ass is not a foot” is just such a perfect response to the constant, CONSTANT claims from everyone under the sun that Kate has “never put a foot wrong.”

      • Seraphina says:

        I missed that comment. It floors me how people have forgotten all her flashed body parts. BUT there isn’t anything there that is memorable anyway. Yes, I said it.

    • Cecilia says:

      @enny its because I suspect that they are quite literally receiving emails from the palace as to what to write.

    • Nic919 says:

      I guess saying the more accurate “she hasn’t flashed her ass in a few years” doesn’t have the same ring to it.

      • Jais says:

        I think repeating the same phrases over and over is part of the double speak brainwashing to change the narrative. Obviously she has put a foot wrong but if enough articles just repeat “never put a foot wrong” over and over, eventually non discerning readers will just start unconsciously associating that with Kate.

    • Monica says:

      When I read that phrase, I immediately imagine Kate as a nervous mare on a treacherous path, ridden by a balding, sullen man holding tight to the reins. Maybe not far wrong.

  24. Zapp Brannigan says:

    Comparing Keen to Diana was a strategy from the start right, like she went into this marriage knowing he would eventually divorce her, so from the beginning Keen knew she had to lay the foundations to be “beloved” by the British public, only she is not warm or hardworking like Diana so all they have is saying it and not letting her actions show it. Uncle Gary needs to shut his wife beating mouth and go back to that rock he belongs under.

  25. Garri scummysnit need a resounding slap from my side of the ocean. Talk about grandiose delusion and devilish mouth diarrhea, why can’t he leave H&M name out of his mouth. He want to bcum relevant by always dropping their name in conversations. I pray Charles comes for all their heinous secrets to be laid bare in d open. Skipping to willnot and cannot my naija ass.

    • BABSORIG says:

      Bwahahahahaha @ “my naira ass” 🤣🤣🤣🤣, I hear you sistah. Or maybe brodah😁😁

  26. Cessily says:

    The fact that a paper or anyone quotes this man is disgusting.. I see his name and know there is nothing of value and move on. This man is vile.

  27. equality says:

    So Harry looked sad at a funeral? In contrast to Kate, they all looked “sad and lost”. Does he think he is helping her cause with that? And Kate “would have wanted” Harry to be happy? Does that mean she no longer wishes him happiness since he’s not under their influence now? Is that supposed to help her “peacemaker” PR?

    • nutella toast says:

      I mean….it’s a FUNERAL. Wouldn’t it have been super awkward if Harry looked happy?
      Also…I feel like the most consistent description of William is that he’s pissed off OR that he’s brilliantly ready to be King. Boy those are some contradictory descriptions.
      W: “Off with their heads!”
      Palace Guards: “Ummmmm…..we don’t really do that anymore”
      W: “Then off with their bank accounts”
      H&M: “Yeah…we already did that”
      W: “Then off with their titles!”
      H&M: *yawn* “M-kay”
      W: “Then back to their heads…”
      *silence because everyone left the Zoom call*

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      Right! Looking sad and lost at a funeral is so unusual(personally I don’t think Harry looked lost). Compared to someone intent on putting on a “peacemaking” performance while giving lingering looks at Harry I guess it is.

      Is Uncle Gory confirming Kate wasn’t welcoming to Meghan when he said Kate would have been welcoming? She would have been, if not for what?. That answer is obvious.

      He’s wanting something soon to be one of the few/if any of the people willing to attach his name to saying nice things about Kate. A title! Douche of Canoes seems appropriate. On a different note, Uncle G reminds of a heavier version of Moby and his wife looks like his sister to me.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Kate didn’t have time to look sad or lost, she was too busy looking for Jackson to pose for her pictures.

  28. Gk says:

    Going after H&M I expected and let’s face it is constant in British press, but Charles….. I am interested in how he reacts.
    I agree for him to speak out is basically Carol allowing him to with Kates permission. Very interesting. I always thought no matter what Charles was going to be king and William didn’t want the responsibility as it would likely be decades of increased work and scrutiny, but who knows?

    • Lorelei says:

      @GK I wonder if Gary spoke out because Kate and Carole either asked him to or they approved it, but that it backfired because neither one of them expected him to go *this* far?
      Because I just can’t imagine they believe it’s a good strategy to publicly undermine Charles like this. They will be their own undoing.

  29. Emily_C says:

    I don’t think Charles truly cares about anything but himself and what he wants. He never protected Harry because Harry living under a bus was useful to him. But I cannot imagine him just shrugging and rolling his eyes over this kind of nonsense. His whole life has been geared toward that crown. The only way he won’t get it is if he dies before his mother (which my father has been predicting will happen for at least 30 years.)

  30. IRMAVEP says:

    It seems incomprehensible that a Presumptive Queen Consort-in-Waiting should require an endorsement from her uncle – crazy or not – as to her virtues. Can anyone think of a precedent where a family member of the wife of a senior member of the RF has been asked/allowed to approach the press and offer his alleged unsolicited opinion in this way? Diana? [certainly not!] Fergie? [even louche Fergie was from better stock than Kate] Anne’s husbands? [nope] Sophie? [not that I know of] Camilla? [not even at the height of the adultery revelations]. And of all the familial Middleton klan to step forth as a knight in dented boot-sale armour, here comes crazy Uncle Garry! Uncle Garry who made headlines in Brit tabloids as he was photographed while being arrested for punching his wife Julie-Ann in the face and knocking her to the ground [tasteful!]; and before that, was photographed peeing like a horse in the upmarket streets outside Boujis nightclub. Uncle Garry who is notorious for [allegedly] distributing coke at nightclubs like Boujis, when they were frequented by Wills and Kate. So, what better endorsement could Catherine the Great, Kingmaker-to-be want? Seriously what IS going on at Bucklebury/ KP /Ibiza [where Uncle G lives]? Uncle Garry is mad, bad, and dangerous to know. It must be something critical for the Middis to let Uncle Gary off the leash. Has Carole lost control of her high stakes PR connections? Or, might William be making moves to ditch the scene-stealing hard-faced Kate?

    • Emily_C says:

      Please don’t compare Uncle Garry to Byron! Byron was mad, bad, and dangerous to know, but he was also brilliant, and ended up dying for a cause he deeply believed in. A very complex person. Uncle Garry is just a ball of slime.

      • Brittany says:

        Byron was talented (nothing like Keats though), but that doesn’t excuse him trying to rape his wife repeatedly after she gave birth. Or raging at her, destroying furniture, and telling her he hoped she and the baby would die. Oh I guess that’s just all part of being “complex” when you’re a rich white man drenched in privilege.

      • IRMAVEP says:

        Emily, no disrespect to Byron intended, though he was a very naughty boy indeed! And an utter rotter, if as Brittany his treatment of his wife was brutal – not to mention the taint of incest thrown in for good measure. But the quote was from Lady Caroline Lamb [who herself was bonkers] so…. ‘However, I do take your point – Byron is much higher up the food chain than stupid Uncle Garry and UG can’t be compared in the same sentence with the great poet – sex with his half-sister notwithstanding. My apologs.

      • Emily_C says:

        I didn’t say it excused anything. He also tried to seduce at least one teenage boy. And I could go on; the list of bad shit Byron pulled would fill a massive tome. But he did also contribute positive things to the world — not in any way an “excuse” for anything. Uncle Gary has never contributed anything of value in any way. Almost everyone is a mix of good and bad; Byron had too much of both, with the good not in any way excusing the bad. Gary, as far as I can tell, is one of those unusual creatures who is just bad.

  31. Keroppi says:

    I’m sure things will go really well for the monarchy if the people start being able to pick their monarch.

  32. nievie says:

    The monarchy needs to take a leaf out of mainland European monarchies and fade into boringness and self sufficiency (a la Hapsburgs who are so boring they aren’t even twitter verified LOL). Us Brits will keep the palace open to the public, but leave the benefit claimants to people on low incomes thanks.

  33. aquarius64 says:

    I think Clarence House is sitting back letting the Middletons hang themselves. Uncle Gary is Bad Dad with a British accent. What better way to show that Kate’s kin is social climbing money grubbing trash like the Markles. William letting this go on is part of the slim down the monarchy – shed William of Kate.

  34. Jay says:

    At this point, they are almost begging for Charles or BP to respond. Notice he’s talking about the Queen “stepping down” due to her “frailty”, which ain’t. gonna. happen. Who out there activities believes that William is somehow more prepared to lead than Charles???

    Maybe there’s something about Charles’ “soft regency” that has put house Middlebridge on notice? A tightening of the budget, an expectation of a certain amount of work engagements per year, or perhaps an unwillingness to extend a loan to a certain party business? I can’t imagine business is good post pandemic.

    I’m maybe in the minority in that I don’t think a divorce is imminent, but maybe somebody has become sloppily public with their… extracurricular gardening-type activities… and needs a reminder of her importance to his image on their upcoming anniversary?

    My guess is Kate has already bought herself something huge and sparkly that William “chose” for her to celebrate ten wonderful years. Or maybe he “designed” it. I’m sure we’ll see!

    • Greywacke says:

      I don’t get the feeling commenters feel it is imminent, but inevitable, especially after the Queen dies and the kids are older.

      Update: Okay, I just read below, and I’m wrong. Some people feel it is imminent.

  35. North of Boston says:

    It was weird that he essentially used some of the same phrasing to describe his niece as Harry used to describe Meghan in the Oprah interview, about being an asset to the RF.

    Though in Harry’s case he brought it up right after describing Meghan’s very successful first tour in Australia and her work and everything she brings to the table.

    Gary Mr Buttons just threw it out there in the context of … what? 10 years of waiting and another 10 years of do-little as she grows into the role of barely working FFQC?

    Maybe what he meant to say its that Kate’s an asset to the Middleton family, and he just got himself and Carole with an E confused with The Queen and the RF in his drug addled greedy little head. Or maybe he’s just another lying delusional KP mouthpiece.

    • Sinéad says:

      Yes and he used “thrive and not just survive” as well. He’ll just pretend it was his phrase now and M&H stole it from him! I think Charles is in deep trouble here coz he needs Will more than Will needs him… Charles literally has no one else now and Will is an heir with 3 kids… maybe Charles is not doing anything about Gary coz he can’t, Will is a more popular heir than Charles and he knows it

    • Tessa says:

      William is not popular with me. And I don’t think everybody wants him to put it mildly. In many ways he is worse than his father.

  36. Over it says:

    Yes, let’s all care what uncle coke bottle thinks of Meg and Harry because his drug induced opinions are so important. Carole and Karen keen should call a time out before all the shit hits the fan for them.

  37. Pamuk says:

    Imo this is a set up by cain to destroy the doormat middlebum and her family. He knows Charles will attack, he can sit back, stay clean while charles opens the door for him to divorce waity.

    • Lady D says:

      Could it be William is giving this content to the BM to keep them off his back? They need royal news and it’s Uncle Garry’s turn to take one for the team.

    • Tessa says:

      Charles is too much of a wimp. He let Harry be driven out by William. The only thing that could happen is if Gary gets himself arrested again with bad behavior.

  38. Over it says:

    The only thing young Diana and any version of Kate that they ever had in common was bows. Diana can ve excuse it was that time , Kate gtfoh .

  39. swirlmamad says:

    I feel like this has to be the strongest sign that things are going off the rails and QUICK in terms of behind-the-scenes at Anmer. Like HOW on earth can Carole think that it’s okay for her brother to make such egregious comments such as the Queen stepping aside in favor of Kate and Afterthought Will (and pushing Chuck and Cams straight into the dumpster), as well as out-and-out name-calling of the Sussexes and she says NOTHING? Does she really think the RF is fine with this drivel? And is this what an amazingly “stable and loving” family does? She and Kate are clearly desperate and grasping at any straws they can get their hands on. It’s utter insanity.

    • Izzy says:

      I’m sure the RF is just fine with the name calling when it comes to the Sussexes, but suggesting that they push Charles aside is a huge mistake. They’re really showing their desperation with that.

    • sunny says:

      This! All of these stories are the clearest indication that the state of the Cambridge marriage is not good. I have long believed that they were cool with living separate lives and keeping up appearances but all of the insanity over the last year suggests that at least one side(possibly both) are deeply unhappy. It is just so crazy to witness this slow meltdown in real time.

      Also Camp Middleton picking PR fights with Charles seems really short-sighted, especially if Kate’s marriage is in trouble.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        The Mideviltons really are short sighted and pick PR fights. I read yesterday that Charles is opening a crafts community training center at Highgrove. Hours later People put out a puff piece about Carole teaching the grandkids to garden. Carole is competing with Charles now. I’m guessing the Cambridge stans don’t get out all knives out when these “coincidences” happen.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Sunny ita that we’re seeing all of these stories because Carole is worried that Kate might be about to get dumped. But HOW does she think that undermining and humiliating Charles is going to make the situation any better?! “Short-sighted” is an understatement.

        Charles can definitely be, as others here said, a wimp, but I also think he can be ruthless when necessary, and things will get so, so nasty in the press once Charles decides he’s had enough of this.

    • Lizzie Bathory says:

      Agree. Harry & Meghan left a year ago & I’m convinced they made it clear at the time they weren’t returning. (The “one year review” was just a way for the Firm to save face.)

      So while the interview was a big deal, I’m starting to think the new crisis managers, plus Charles & William supposedly discussing the future of the monarchy has more to do with the Cambridge marriage.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I think them leaving for Canada in Nov 2019 was really when they left, at least left in terms of putting up with the abuse. If they came back from that trip to The Firm, it would be on their terms.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Lizzie Bathroy- I think you may definitely be on to something re: the crisis managers. It would explain why they waited to start in May- after the Cambridge anniversary.

  40. Izzy says:

    When Charles ascends to the throne, he will be able to shut the Middletons out from the RF much more effectively, and will now have the perfect excuse for it. Baldingham can throw as many tantrums as he wants about it and it will only make it look worse for himself.

    As for how much Kate adored Harry and they got on so well, etc., safe to say Gross Uncle Gary blew that out of the water. keen Katie can’t play peacemaker when her own family is trashing Meghan and Harry like this.

  41. lanne says:

    Do these folks really want people digging into Uncle Gary’s and the Middleton finances? Do the Middletons and KP think they can stop such an investigation by anyone who might take an interest?

    I think the royals HAVE silenced Terrible Tom and his wayward spawn. We barely hear from them now, especially Crazy Older Sister. My guess is they’re still being paid off. Toxic Tom himself said the royals “owe” him. What is stopping him from spilling the beans about, say, what happened the week of the wedding, and what KP involvement there might have been? There’s a terrible tripod here of KP, the tabloids, and this bizarre cast of toxic characters. Tripods aren’t exactly stable constructions, and the toxic characters (Uncle Gary, Toxic Tom, Carole, Sam, even the brother whose name I forget) are a pack of amateurs. So what’s the lever that brings the KP house of cards crashing down? Is it the truth coming out about how Will di-Amin tried to stop his brother’s wedding? Is it the truth about the Middletons and their finances? Is it the truth about Will Duce and K Guevara’s sham marriage? Is it the truth about Rose or whatever passel of mistresses Will Jung Un has? Does Cain have a drug/alcohol problem? If it’s any or all of these, do they really thing they can keep these things hidden?

    • Gabby says:

      Ianne, I doubt that that Thomas and Samantha Markle are being paid off. I certainly hope not. I wonder if the Palace(s) dug deep into their backgrounds and uncovered plenty of damaging information on both of them; enough to hold over their heads to keep them quiet. I would imagine financial scams, tax evasion, fraud, drugs and such. The sister has multiple court cases, slip and falls that didn’t pay out, name changes, and a boyfriend with a possible criminal background. The brother stated that Daddy Markle was always changing his phone number, and mentioned coke and sex trips to Asia. Pretty shifty.

  42. Lizzie says:

    Does no one else speak for the Midds but the wife beater? Says a lot.

  43. Kateeee says:

    I read this as modern day Anne Boleyn: Kate’s days are clearly numbered and she needs public opinion on her side. Why else the desperate embiggening? Why else publicly try to push William onto the throne? PoW might be able to divorce, but not the King, and certainly not the King immediately after a 7-decade union. That would look horrendous.

    Frankly I hope these are the stakes because there’s no other reason for a campaign this shameless.

    • Emily_C says:

      I hope Will isn’t planning to murder Kate the way Henry did Anne. But no, it’s a different time, thank goodness, or once Will was on the throne I have no doubt he’d equal Henry’s numbers in the “mass murder” category.

  44. bamaborn says:

    When you have to put your crackhead Uncle on blast, something is very wrong. And… It’s NOT Rose.

  45. ceb says:

    “I was angry at them over there [in California] slagging off our Royal Family.“

    says the guy who just said he wants the queen to die and charles isn’t right for the job? lmao i love a mess.

  46. Chartreuse says:

    Charles definitely can shut camp Middleton down, why he doesn’t, boggles the mind. Especially the big crook uncle Garry who thinks the line of succession should be jumped! These people are shameless yet all the Kate stans I know middle class, smart white women, might agree. That’s what’s scary. And they all hate meghan

    • swirlmamad says:

      Because it chaps their lily-white asses that Harry chose a woman of color to love, cherish and devote himself to. You love to see it. They can stay salty and die mad too….lol.

    • Jaded says:

      Charles isn’t shutting it down because revenge is a dish best served cold. Uncle Snorty can bloviate all he likes, all he’s doing is sinking the good ship SS Middleton. Sometimes if you leave situations like this to resolve themselves, you get the best outcome. Charles is simply keeping the end goal in sight and not getting bothered by all the background noise. I’m sure he realizes the relationship between his sons is irreparably damaged and nothing good will come of him stepping into the breech and knocking heads together. Mark my words once he’s on the throne you’re going to see some big changes.

    • Kalana says:

      White entitlement and white fragility runs strong. Kate’s entire image is white privilege.

  47. Faye says:

    This is what Charles deserves. He should have stood up to William long ago.

  48. Lizzie says:

    Did you ever make a mistake at work and someone kindly says ‘hey, if you never made a mistake you wouldn’t be working’? I think of this every time someone says Waity never put a foot wrong. If you are working then occasionally you make a mistake, so I guess her feet are firmly up on the ottoman while those who taxpayers pay to work for her do everything and she is just there for photo ops. I bet the soles of her shoes never have a mark on them. Thanks Uncle Wife-Beater.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      Lizzie, someone did say that to me. It’s quite true. I think we’ve overlooked one thing with Kate. Perhaps she doesn’t work so that soles of her shoes don’t get a mark. She can sell them for a higher price, right?

  49. Noor says:

    Why does people like this Gary Goldsmith, some tabloids and royal commentators want to crown William as King instead of Prince Charles.

    Because the BRF are celebrities and are treated by such by the tabloids and the public although they would vehemently denied that the BRF are celebrities. They want their King to be young and beautiful like Hollywood stars.

  50. Pepperpot says:

    Charles is a petty, jealous coward. He isolated himself by kicking out Harry and now he is wholly dependent on the Cambridge’s for any good PR. Harry used to have good words about his father and Camilla whereas Will could not muster up any kind words for his father or Camilla. Charles is a dope and deserves whatever is coming to him. I can see why Harry seemed more disappointed with his father than his brother.

    • Merricat says:

      I hope Charles isn’t too dependent on good Cambridge PR, because it is scarce in supply.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      100% agree. Charles can now marinate in his terrible cowardly decision making and it’s aftermath

  51. Julia K says:

    You are all correct that something is afoot; the articles salivating over Kate, unleashing Gary etc. Reminds me of American politics: build candidates up to a crescendo then start tearing them apart. Where will the palace be when Kate the Great starts to unravel? Are Charles, Wm and Camilla complicit?

  52. IRMAVEP says:

    The photos of Kate – brilliant! Kaiser always excels with these photos which show the many insane moods of Kate – at her most garrulous, looking daggers, un-regally guffawing and giggling, poisonously side-eyeing Meghan, laughing like a drain, ignoring William, pulling unflattering gurns – posing like a femme fatale -a ship that launched a thousand faces. Yet nothing seems to be going on in the brain department. How different to the intelligent, thoughtful, serene Meghan, informed about the people she is to meet and prepared for the topic they will discuss. What a waste for the RF to lose such an asset. And how astute of Harry to grab her in his eager arms and not tarry for a decade like the Other Brother advised.

  53. Mooney says:

    Carole with an E is really towing the line. I wonder if someone will, how they say for Meghan, put her in her place. And these people are so sick. They like the threesome with Harry but don’t want him to have his own life and family. Imagine if this was Meghan flirting with Cain 🤢🤮 would the cambs stan and praise them like they’re with Waity Katie?

    Also this reminds me, not the place I know, but when Harry attended the Anzac Day service in 2019, when Meghan was heavily pregnant, with Waity. The way she was clinging to him made me want to go through the screen and slap her. Harry was only being polite, but was politely ignoring her too. And in the end, the way he just told her,or rather gestured her to piss off and he stormed away. Man I was 🤣🤣🤣. And icing on the cake, because Cain was not there, she had to walk behind and sit behind Harry. Couldn’t happen to a better person 😂

  54. Midge says:

    So many thoughts. 1. Kate was groomed her entire life to stalk, marry and be subservient to William. When he cheats, she has no shoulder to cry on – her entire family has one goal only – for her to become Queen Consort. Her feelings and happiness mean nothing to anyone in her life. 2. Harry loved his grandfather and that is why he was sad at the funeral. Kate was preening, posing, acting and photoshopping her way into the center of attention. 3. Uncle Gary is the Middleton’s mouthpiece. 4. William and Charles must both be pissed about Kate taken center attention. 5. Over his dead body will Charles be skipped. 6. Harry is happy and free in CA. That luncheon with Wallis Annenberg on the Queen’s bday was a flex. He and Meghan have more star power, earning potential, and capacity to make change in their pinky fingers than Kate and William have in their entire boringass, tantrum prone, repressed bodies.

    • equality says:

      5 is literally true. Gary is basically wishing the Queen and Charles both dead so Will can be king. He can’t come right out and say it so he has to couch it as “stepping back” but neither is likely to do that.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Midge, re: #1, I have no idea why, but recently, I’ve been wondering what Pippa thinks of all this. I feel like even she must be rolling her eyes at the ridiculously sugary way some of these articles have been framed and worded lately, and she’s got to be mortified by her uncle spouting off like this.

      I’d like to think that at the very least, Kate can trust Pippa and that Pippa actually cares about Kate’s feelings. Obviously I have no idea and this is wild speculation, but it’s pretty well established that Kate doesn’t have any close girlfriends, and no matter how awful I think Kate is (very), everyone needs at least *one* person they can talk to honestly about things, someone with their best interests at heart. Clearly her mother has her own agenda, but Pippa seems to be content— settled and happy— so it’s possible that Kate has one family member who has her back. But with these people, who knows.

      Anyway ita with everything else that you said!

      • notasugarhere says:

        Friends as well as sisters? Kate and Pippa were raised to be in competition with each other.

  55. Tessa says:

    Who let Gary loose to run to the media? He is one big embarrassment. He knocked his wife unconscious and got arrested.

  56. Mich says:

    It has been clear for a while that William is angling to have himself installed over Charles.

    And Charles, ever the short-sighted fool, has driven out the largest factor of ‘soft power’ he had. It may have been convenient at the time but the headache coming because of it will be crushing. Serves him right.

    • Tessa says:

      He let William treat Harry badly. Harry was scapegoated for years. It’s all on Charles.

    • Lorelei says:

      I absolutely *love* how the narrative for the past year has been how devoted to his country, the monarchy, and his duty William is compared to Harry, yet William doesn’t seem to be able to grasp the one most rudimentary concept of the monarchy, the law of succession. It’s the basis of the entire thing.
      I mean for god’s sake.

  57. Demi says:

    This is really disgusting it shows that the Middletons can’t wait for the queen to die

  58. HeatherC says:

    Uncle Gary is pressing hard for a return on his investment.

    • lanne says:

      does he really expect some kind of title or something? I highly doubt any Middleton will be entitled. Titles aren’t given out like popcorn anymore–even former PMs don’t get them. So what’s in it for him, exactly?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Access to high-level deals and money transactions, along the lines of Andrew’s shady Pitch at the Palace?

      • lanne says:

        But could something like that pass muster now, with Pitch at the Palace blown up? Would the people of the UK really say, yeah Gary Goldsmith, do some business deals on our dime, no prob! I think that ship sailed when Andrew’s dirty dealings (which still haven’t been fully exposed) came to light.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Two decades of Middleton/Goldsmith dirty dealings still haven’t been made public, so why not?

  59. Lala11_7 says:

    This narrative is going to MAKE PRINCE CHARLES…LIVID🤬😛😆

  60. Jainey says:

    He may be the first one too have said meg was mistreated by press. I think they dogged het to cover for andrew and everything just backfired.

  61. Rapunzel says:

    Was the M/H smear campaign all Carole’s idea? Is that why she’s so desperate in her PR now? Perhaps William is furious that the Middleton plot to get rid of Meg got rid of Harry too? He’s now aware of how badly he will perform? Is he thinking of pulling himself out? Is that why they’re desperate to get him installed?

    I don’t understand why this PR is so transparent. Carole can and has done better.

  62. DMG says:

    Anyone else think it would be fun to make Rose Hanbury trend on twitter? 🤷‍♀️

  63. Alicia says:

    Some people have mentioned the Boleyns but I think they’re more like the Woodvilles.

    That whole interview is jaw droppingly ill advised.

    • Original Jenns says:

      Yes! Haha, I do this everytime the Boleyns are mentioned in a Middleton story. Definitely more Woodville vibes!

  64. MerlinsMom1018 says:

    Ok I may be the only one here who sees it this way, but I think Charles is more than well aware of what’s being said and by who and why. I personally believe he’s playing the long game here and simply biding his time till after HM passes and I am of the opinion that K&W and the midds know it. I fully expect the sh*t to hit the fan and happen so fast lots of folk will be gasping for air.
    Again this is my own opinion. I am no fan of Charles but I don’t think he’s the ostrich everyone seems to believe he is. I expect the fall out to be ugly and spectacular

    • Jaded says:

      My thoughts exactly. Once TQ falls off her perch you’re going to see a lot of reckoning with the Midds, Keen and Mean. King Charles can hold back their investiture as Prince/Princess of Wales as long as he wants. They’re going to be dancing to his tune which is probably “Shape Up or Ship Out”.

    • Sid says:

      With the way he and his PR people were able to flip the narrative about him and about Camilla, I would agree that he is not one to be underestimated when it comes to this sort of thing. Yeah, the most recent season of The Crown and the Oprah interview might have undone some of his image rehabbing, but the fact that he pulled it off in the first place says something. This sort of foolishness from the Middletons is not smart in the long-run.

    • Iriser says:

      I come down on this side of things as well. From what I can see, a Cambridge divorce serves ALL of Charles’s interests, and this might be what Carole Middleton & Co is most afraid of and reacting to right now. If Charles is now head of a “soft regency” then it’s possible that William has said he wants a divorce and Charles has agreed to allowing it before the Queen dies. That would help explain the recent hysterical embiggening of Kate and articles like this one with Uncle Gary. Charles doesn’t need to respond because he knows what’s coming (the upcoming summit with William to discuss slim lining the monarchy takes on even more meaning in this context). And if/when William divorces, he will take a significant pr hit, even if they go on attack against the Middletons. The stable father & family man image goes away, he can no longer position himself against Charles in that arena. So, again, if William is stupid enough to pursue a divorce, it’s a scenario in which Charles emerges the clear winner. And we have plenty of evidence that William is in fact selfish, short-sighted, and stupid.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Iriser, but W will have years to rehab his image, right? If he’ going to divorce Kat, do so sooner rather than later makes sense. Besides, he becomes an eligible bachelor again, so all of the white Karen’s can dream of being his consort. It could work in his favor after the initial brohaha.

  65. Vanessa says:

    I do think that kate and William married is definitely on A course to divorce that why the Middleton’s are being so openly desperate with all the articles about kate right now . William seems really upset and angry that Harry And Meghan are no longer around to throw under the bus anymore . His probably crafted a way out his decades long marriage right now kate and her family see the writing on the wall they desperately to make sure that kate becomes queen that why their all this weirdness Around skip the throne to William kate and family’s don’t think kate will make into the throne . Once again kate and dimwit family are so fixated on Meghan their obsession With her is really disgusting I honestly think that kate is in love with Harry and wanted Harry all to her self She literally a psycho from a lifetime movie she can’t have Harry so she intended on continued the smeared campaign from England to destroy Meghan it wasn’t not bad enough that they all most succeeded in Meghan harming herself and child . The fact that Middleton’s are actively wishing for the queen to be gone so kate can somehow become queen and skipping Charles and Camilla is sick . If any of those royal reporters really did give a damn about anything but obsess over Meghan and Harry they would have called out the Middleton’s and disgusting Gary for hoping that something happen to the Queen but I guess it’s only disrespectful when Meghan and Harry refuses to scrap goat .

  66. NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

    I have three alternate theoretical scenarios running through my head and all of them involve Carole being shut out and losing access to the grandkids. This sounds like the desperation of a woman who has lost control of a situation. I still think the marriage as we know it is over but there are negotiations taking place to keep William and Kate married and Carole and her family doing this to dig in her heels but is only making things worse.

    Scenario 1: I think as callous as it sounds, Charles may have be flexing the power to deny Carole and Mike access to George, Charlotte, and Louis, which he can do. I doubt she’s seen them during lockdown and that if they’ve had a bit more time with Future King Grandpa Charles, that could be more influential in the long run. Kate may not have a say and be told if she wants to stay married to William, she will comply.

    Scenario 2: At some point in lockdown, Kate started to put some distance between her and her mother. I can see Kate getting to a point of being too good for her family or if things are truly bad with William, and her mother is saying “stay put” that there could be a fallout if that isn’t what Kate wants.

    Scenario 3: I can also see if William and Charles are sick of these leaks of doing a sort of love-bomb and manipulating her to shut the Middletons out completely (and her being dim enough that it will work). They would then be desperate for everything to skip over Charles to assert more influence over Kate.

    • Amy Too says:

      Oooooo. The whole pandemic/lockdown situation does add another layer of complexity to everything and a new angle for analysis! I think the pandemic has mostly affected Carole and William’s relationship. Especially if Kate and William aren’t living together, I can imagine that Carole hasn’t been seeing as much of William, therefore she’s not able to be that constant “peacemaking” force for the marriage, whispering in his ear about how/why he needs kate and reminding him of how much he loves the “normal middle class” Middleton family and their influence on his children. I can see Kate and Carole breaking lockdown rules to see each other, maybe even bubbling at certain points, but it would be riskier to bring in a whole different third household (William) and I can see him using the pandemic as an excuse not to see and deal with the Midds. The Middleton “power” and influence over Will seems like something that has to be CONSTANTLY reinforced with visits, chats with Carole, reminders about how much he likes them and by extension Kate. But if he’s not getting that constant stream of Midd propaganda, he could likely detox from their whole weirdly incestuous schtick quickly, maybe even realizing how much he was manipulated by them into marrying Kate, and coming to the conclusion that having to be married to Kate isn’t really a price he’s willing to pay just to have access to a replacement mommy and a “normal, middle class” family.

      So without the constant allure of her family and the constant Middleton brainwashing, he’s ready to finally divorce Kate. Carole, who is no longer in such close contact with Will all the time, is forced to talk to him through the tabloids, re-selling the Middleton family (seriously they’re often all listed by name!) and Kate to him. She’s getting louder and louder, more bold and unhinged with her campaign because it’s just not working like it used to work. Possibly they’ve even moved beyond trying to get Will to WANT to be with Kate and are now onto a sort of extortion scheme with these crazy Uncle Garry articles and other extremely obvious and inappropriate articles and sentiments (the Queen and Charles should step aside so you and Kate can be king and Queen?) in order to remind him that if he goes through with dumping her, they can be very problematic and loud.

      Perhaps that’s why the crisis managers have been called in. If it was for Harry and Meghan and the Oprah interview, they really would have started months ago. But the RF probably thinks they’re handling the Sussex issue just fine because they’re idiots, but at least all three (or four if we include Kate and the Mid’s separate court) palaces are working together to trash the Sussexes, elevate themselves, and they all care about the outcome equally. But we wouldn’t have all four places singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to Will divorcing Kate. BP and CH wouldn’t really care as much about protecting only Will’s reputation in such circumstances in the same way they all cared about every member of the royal family coming out looking good vs the Sussexes. Sussexit affected everyone directly so they all pitched in (plus this was a playbook they were familiar with: throw Harry under the bus for the good of the family), Will divorcing Kate wouldn’t affect everyone in the same way, and it’s not something that everyone in the family has been practicing nearly daily (throw heir to uplift spare) for decades. If this is something William really cares about doing, he’s probably going to need outside help. And starting in may, right after the ten year anniversary is good timing for this issue.

      I’ve heard before that the Middletons entered a 10 year marriage contract with Will. Maybe, like in certain states, 10 years is an important milestone to make it to if you want to get the maximum settlement and spousal support during a divorce.

      • swirlmamad says:

        I must say, I’m here for all of your theory.

      • Zebz says:

        In a recent cnn article they mention that Harry is the only person that truly knows and understand William, even though Kate is his wife, and he needs Harry no matter what to councIl him. Even if harry is not a royal anymore. I think the middletons influence over William is all but gone. He has made it clear that he wants Harry back via Dan Wooten article and he will not accept that the war is over. Meghan and Archie won over him. It’s been over a year and he is still crying about it. He will not let Harry go.

    • Kalana says:

      As long as they stay connected and privileged, the Middletons will continue letting William do whatever he wants, even if he divorces Kate.

      The only issue William would have is finding a new consort and he’d be given as long as he liked to do that. And he could openly date.

    • bamaborn says:

      Sorry to say, I just don’t see scenario #1. I’m sure he cares for his grandchildren, but, not enough to care if the Midds see them. Now, if it was something involving Cammy, that would be a horse of another color. He wasn’t even worried about putting his own son’s life in danger, so, just don’t see it.

      • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

        I think @Amytoo hit the nail on the head. I think William is feeling out just how he might get out of this marriage. Either way, Carole is no longer in control and it shows. I do think that these types of articles will have to stop if there is any chance of keeping the marriage in tact.

        I will say I do think Charles would do such a thing if he felt the children needed protection from Carole’s exploitations. The only way I can see that as a possibility is that William came to him for help. I think all of the “leaks” from Kensington regarding Harry and Meghan will be blamed on the Middletons to entice them to come back.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The talk of Carole looking for property near Sandringham would debunk #2. Mummy is needed/wanted now more than ever, to try to stop William from ditching Kate.

      I agree, Charles would only decrease Middleton influence on the grandkids – if he could – if he felt it was truly endangering them.

  67. Wiglet Watcher says:

    I’m still down with the theory that If the marriage is going to end eventually, the ones in charge want it to end before he becomes POW. To keep Kate’s divorce settlement minimal. And that time is approaching.

    • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

      I just don’t think divorce will be a good look. I think the powers that be would rather have William and Kate end things romantically but keep them married. No one wanted to marry William before. Now that he’s an bloated, balding middle age man with a rumored temper, I don’t think there will be very many takers for the job.

      • Amy Too says:

        But does he *need* a replacement? He made his heirs which was the point of needing to marry in the first place. Kate doesn’t add a lot of value or do a lot of engagements so it’s not like William himself couldn’t make up her numbers if he divorced her. Plus his kids will be working at some point, as well. And they’re very insistent about this slimmed down, less working royal family. The other article mentioned the working royals as being “Charles and Camilla, William and the duchess of Cambridge, and George, Louis, and Charlotte.” Kate was the only one not mentioned by her first name. There was just a generic “Duchess of Cambridge” in there. I found that telling.

        William doesn’t seem to have trouble finding people to date him and sleep with him on the side even though he’s married right now. He could continue to secretly date and sleep with as many people as he wanted as a single man. He doesn’t have to marry one of them.

      • Greywacke says:

        I think the real game changer will be when Will falls in love with someone interested in being consort. He won’t like being shackled, as he clearly doesn’t now.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        Absolutely, divorce would not be good, but it might not be bad either.
        Kate and her family might be sabotaging themselves right now with all this press saying Kate is the only thing keeping William and the monarchy afloat. Charles survived a much more scandalous divorce with a known mistress turned wife and Diana was beyond beloved. Kate is not beloved across nations and there is no known or named mistress. I doubt Rose is seeing William or would leave her husband for him.

        William could divorce and his next fiancé would be built up so greatly it would revitalize interest in this old institution for a bit.

      • Amy Too says:

        I feel like if he spends at least a few years doing “single dad takes care of kids for first time, kids accompany their single dad on engagements” it could be a good image boost for him. If he makes the divorce about getting rid of Kate and not about wanting to marry someone else, then I can’t really imagine why people would be super mad? Single dads who take care of their kids are uplifted as the best family men ever because we put so little priority on dads being present and active on child rearing when they’re married. So taking care of their kids at all while single makes them seem like super man.

        A combo of “single dad Will prioritizes the children” with keeping it cool with Kate and not trashing her in order to make an immediate new gf look good, would make it seem like he really just needed to divorce Kate because something was lacking with her and their relationship wasn’t working. And if he keeps it somewhat nice and neutral regarding kate and goes with a “we grew apart” storyline, while the Middletons are out here with these insane, clingy stories about how great Kate is and how much William needs her and therefore MUST keep her around, they’re going to come out looking crazy and he’s going to come out looking like he’s the strong one just doing what’s best for everyone in the long run.

    • notasugarhere says:

      A divorce is fine. 40 percent of marriages in the UK end in divorce, plenty of Uni romances end up in starter marriages. Many people in the UK just don’t care about divorce. Over half are not religious, CoE membership is tanking. They see no moral problem in ending miserable marriages. As Amy Too writes, if he played the role of devoted single dad for a bit, it sets the stage. That may be why he did so much to hide the Rose affair in the press, because he doesn’t want the divorce to be see involving other parties.

      WigletWatcher, her settlement doesn’t depend on her title. Any divorce settlement she gets would only be based on William’s private funds from Diana. She cannot touch Duchy funds, as Diana couldn’t. If he paid for a large part of the new Middleton house? It could be argued it was intended as a post-nup and Kate gets no big settlement. I agree, if he wants to divorce her, he’ll want to hold off on being named POW. He’ll want Kate having the ‘old’ title while he, kids, and new wife move to ‘Wales’ titles.

      The big money payout would be if she manages to stay married to him until after Charles dies. That would open up access to the private Windsor wealth that is inherited, mostly intact, from monarch to monarch.

  68. Bea says:

    I find it so “funny” that everybody in Kate’s family is constantly seeking attention: Carole’s cover, uncle Gary’s interview and so on. But for some reason Meghan is the “attention seeker”. I mean, we know the reason but it blows my mind how these people can just say they are not attention seekers and they are so selfless when they are LITERALLY always in the media even though THEY ARE NOT A MEMBER of the RF… I mean… it’s just CRAZY. It bothers me so much.

    • candy says:

      Remember when they were floating those stories about getting a title? All they got was a crest and a fake insignia ring.

    • swirlmamad says:

      They get away with it because they CAN and no one has checked them or put them in their place as of yet. So they become more emboldened. Oh, what a sweet day it will be when that reckoning comes.

  69. Mina_Esq says:

    There is zero chance that they will skip Charles in favor of William, which makes this interview that much more insane. Charles comes from a family that has literally murdered immediate family members in order to cling to power. Who is to say that Charles won’t fight back against these bold attempts to push him aside? Idiots.

  70. K says:

    I am so unsettled by this man. He is a freaky chimera of stalker, sycophant, and mouthpiece. I did crack up when he advocates skipping Charles though. What a turducken of crazy.

  71. Lizzie says:

    If the rf ever go after keen, this guy is teed up and will provide fodder for a smear campaign.

  72. Bunny says:

    “Hasn’t put a foot wrong”. The startling frequency with which the Middleton’s throw that phrase around makes me wonder if they’ve copyrighted it. Maybe Party Pieces can release cheap shoe-shaped plates in honour of Kate.

    If William wants an “out”, here it is. His in-laws conspired to leak to the press and get rid of his brother. Now they’re trying to get rid of his father.

    • bamaborn says:

      YES!! And no matter what people think, they know they’ll have to make amends with Meghan and Harry(Included the Duchess because they are a package). That will be part of rehabilating their image. Guess who’s expendable?…first 3 letters are mid.

  73. candy says:

    I agree something *must* be going on behind closed doors. It feels like some kind of levy has broken.

  74. Janethetrain says:

    I mean if William divorces Kate, he can reset everything. I wasn’t in a good place when I was acting like xyz. I’ve been going to therapy. Focusing on my kids. Blah blah blah. He can be super Dad on his own. He can enjoy dating speculation. He can even say his role as a father and as a future king doesn’t leave room for a healthy marriage, leaving him to bird-dog all he wants. It will instantly modernize him.

    The Sussexes proved you can change the rules and that’s the problem the Middletons have with them.

    • HeatherC says:

      I can see this. Also, Charlotte can be appointed or whatever Princess Royal when William is king (Anne will most likely have passed) and she can probably do a lot of hostess/etc duties. He doesn’t really need a consort. But in all likelihood they’ll stay married but separate

    • Amy Too says:

      This is where I’m at too. I don’t think he needs to have a new wife. Replacing Kate with someone else would cause hard feelings and set up a Brad/Angelina/Jen type of situation. The Charles/Camilla/Diana thing was so bad not because of the divorce (so many of the royals are divorced) but because of the cheating and then the introducing Camilla into his public life ASAP, making his kids interact with her and accept her, living with her, marrying her, letting it be known that he was actively choosing his mistress over his wife. I think it would be a good idea for William to divorce Kate *before* any news of his cheating and whatever mistress he’s currently with completely breaks in the UK. Make it about the breakdown of the marriage and not wanting to be with Kate, instead of making it about wanting to be with someone else. Then just be officially single and do whatever he wants privately. I think it would be some of the best PR he could get to be a modern, suddenly hands-on dad, taking the kids places on his own, instead of always with Kate.

    • swirlmamad says:

      These are all intriguing scenarios as well.

    • Shawna says:

      I hope William’s people aren’t reading this… Clearly, they’re not smart enough to come up with this narrative, and they shouldn’t get it for free!

  75. Shannon says:

    I have read so many of these “Keen Kate is ready to be Queen” articles the past week. It makes me wonder if they have all forgotten about Camilla and Charles.

  76. Coco says:

    Two things jumped out at me:
    1. People love the Muppets. Who doesn’t like the Muppets? Okay, there are probably some fringe Fox News main liners who say that Sesame Street is indoctrinating our youth into…knowing the alphabet…and…respecting each other, and the Bible says a frog shalt not lie down next to a pig as it would another frog. But, generally, why does he think “Muppet” is an insult?
    2. He wants William to have a longer reign than Elizabeth II? Do the math, Gary – if the queen died today and William’s coronation was tomorrow, William would have to live to 108 to beat the record. Working until 108! That’s a terrible thing to wish on anybody!

  77. Greywacke says:

    This achieve one more thing other than promote W&K as the next King and Queen Consort, and digs at H&M. This article is another reminder to the toffs and royalists how low class Kate’s family is. No one is skipping over Charles, and “How gauche is it that Kate’s uncle believes they can? Isn’t he amusing?” This article has something for every form of hater: those who dislike Charles, those who despise Meghan, and and those who don’t think Kate is quite up to snuff to be royal. They are all thrown under the bus. But Charles wields the power due to royal hierarchy, and Meghan and Harry said sayonara last year to gain their own power. In the end, by publishing crass Uncle Gary words, this article at its heart is a dig at the Middleton clan and Kate, who are dependent on the outcome of her becoming Queen Consort. They think they are using the press, but the press is gleefully digging a mass Middleton grave (metaphorically of course) because this will them money now the Sussex’s are gone.

    Finally, these articles remind me of when social media friends post about how they appreciate their spouses and how great they are only to find out that was part of their marriage counseling and they later divorce.

  78. pottymouth pup says:

    so the 6th in line to the throne stepping away was a major affront to the monarchy but the abdication of the next in line, who is one of the harder working royals, so his dolittle son could take over the firm would be no biggie?

  79. Soupie says:

    What a pile of slop! I couldn’t even get through it. Shut up grifter wannabe Gary. You just prematurely want the perks that would come with your niece being the king’s consort.

  80. Tessa says:

    He may want a title.

    • Nina says:

      Him and the whole clan. They getting impatient because after ten years they are still not part of the toffs. They think titles will get them there. Charles will not be giving them any titles anytime soon. Their lack of decorum and class is astonishing. They are an embarrassment to TOB.

  81. Nivz says:

    To me, reading Goldsmith’s interview was the equivalent of downing a Wendy’s icee- nauseatingly sweet, artificial flavour, hurt my brain, and generally a bad idea.

    (My apologies to Wendy’s icee lovers. My husband is one.)

  82. Nivz says:

    Also, guys, I just don’t see W and K divorcing. Is it just me? They look like the average bored-af marrieds who don’t necessarily want to or need to change it all up. Not everyone can have the movie level chemistry of the Sussexes.

    Regarding w’s affair rumours, I dunno. Lots of marriages survive affairs. The nasty part of me would be happy to be proven wrong.

    (Aside- it makes me happy to watch H and M interacting on zoom calls. Like the one where he says he’s old and she cracks up. They’re so sweet.)

    • Greywacke says:

      Nivz. I totally get what you are saying, because I think that may have been very much true pre-Harry & Meghan or pre-Sussexit. But BM stories and bad KP/Middleton PR for over a year now indicate that Will does what he wants when he wants, and is constantly angry and needs to be soothed. And this is the positive press! He seems rather like his father who said that he won’t be the only PoW who never had a mistress..and Charles and Diana divorced, but because she couldn’t endure the sham (though-to your point-Kate likely can endure). Like Charles, I could see Will saying that he won’t be the only family member who doesn’t have the advantage of divorce. Why shouldn’t he? He’ll still become king. He’d likely end up single like Andrew with its perks and happy as a clam, but with heirs who fulfill his ultimate obligation quite nicely. I don’t think anyone wishes for it to happen, esp. for the children, but the likelihood of it is more apparent post Sussexit than it was prior. I wouldn’t have thunk it before.

      • Nivz says:

        @greywacke- Im with all of you that the KP/bucklebury stories are as surreal and dystopian as a Fox News segment. Not to mention inconsistent and as kaiser says “wildly divergent.”

        I guess I haven’t been paying attention for as long as many of you have, and so I wonder if (just like a Fox News segment) they are happy to pander only to their base and not bother with looking good in the eyes of the “swing voter” section of the public. Does this necessarily translate to him preparing to cut her loose? Maybe W, enabled by courtiers, thinks he looks amazing and strong in the press. And unlike Fox News’ nutbag audience, the royals’ base in the UK is larger, possibly the majority, due to demographics. Possible? I guess I’m just too cynical to believe we live in a world in which they would get their comeuppance. As I said, that nasty part of me would love to be wrong. Popcorn ready.

        (I myself went from generally pro- Sussex but not anti-Cambridge, to rabidly pro-Sussex and disgusted by the Cambridges because of the interview. That’s when I started reading celebitchy first thing in the morning 😃)

    • Emily_C says:

      I don’t really know any “average bored-af marrieds,” but maybe that’s an English thing? I did know many in my parents’ Baby Boomer generation, a lot of husbands who didn’t respect women there, but my friends and I (mostly young gen X) are either still gross and shmoopy after many years or (small percentage) divorced.

      But I agree with you about Will and Kate divorcing. Why would Will do it? He’s lazy and jealous, the last thing he wants is a wife who wants to work. And Kate puts up with his blatant cheating, which not a lot of women would do these days. Besides, who else would marry him?

      • Nivz says:

        @emilyc – lol at shmoopy! Like you, I am thinking of my parents’ generation too when I say bored-af marrieds. Ten years is a bit too soon for Wandk to hit that stage.

        Also, I’m of Indian descent and I’m thinking of arranged marriages that are hit or miss with regards to shmoop, but rarely end in divorce. Come to think of it, that makes perfect sense because “the royal family are INDIANNN!!”
        (A Goodness Gracious Me reference if anyone wants to look it up. It hasn’t aged well.)

  83. Concern Fae says:

    My fanfic is that all of this is being masterminded by either 1) Kim Kardashian or 2) J-Lo.

  84. Victoria says:

    The Boleyns would be right proud of the Middletons. I just hope they remember how that story ended. Hell, I hope they remember how Diana’s story ended.

    • Original Jenns says:

      I feel like I do this correction every time the Boleyns are mentioned, hahaha, so nothing personal! But the Boleyns were not the hungry, social climbers everyone seems to think they were. There’s a lot of later propaganda, from Catholics and other PR enemies, that has twisted and smeared the family and their history. Now, the Woodvilles, from the days of Edward IV, I’d buy into that.

  85. IRMAVEP says:

    I believe Will and Rose are still very much a committed item,. Kate is back at KP during schools term for G and C – who school at Battersea, just over the Thames from KP – while Willy makes an occasional forays there, to address KP business, for official engagements, to see the children and to keep up ‘happy family’ appearances for the press.
    William’s principal residence seems to be Anmer Hall in Norfolk, a mere stones-throw [under three miles] via unmade back-tracks, to Houghton Hall – residence of Rose Hanbury and her husband, David Rocksavage, – 7th Marquis of Cholmondeley.

    David is Lord Great Chamberlain of the UK and is often photographed in his scarlet and god court attire at openings of Parliament, as he carries the Queen’s crown on a velvet cushion before the Queenin procession.

    The Rocksavages were the golden couple of the Norfolk social sphere before Kate decided to depose Rose as ‘queen bee’. I suspect the Rocksavages were the unnamed aristo leading the put-down gossip about pushy, social climbing, common, vulgar Carole.

    Rose is beautiful, well bred, of high social status and married to David, a ‘confirmed bachelor’ until he married her the day before their twins was born. Since then, he resides in Paris for much of the year, leaving the lovely unconventional Rose free to ramble in Norfolk.The whole Norfolk setup is so discrete and airtight that no-one will spill the tea to the press.

    Meanwhile Kate and Will do the minimum to keep up appearances in London, as their cold, hollow marriage provides a ‘beard’ for Will and a high-status and opulent lifestyle for Kate. It was only when Kate witnessed the intense love between Harry and Meghan did jealousy overcome pragmatism.

    As for Carole, she too knows that Kate is in a powerful, albeit fragile, position and she won’t rock the boat at present. She’s weaponising pro-Kate PR instead. Or thinks she is.

    It’s unlikely William will ever divorce Kate while the children are this age – he’ll wait till Louis is boarding at Eton, or older. It took Diana and Charles fifteen years to get divorced, despite Charles and Camilla being lovers from before the engagement and throughout the marriage. The mills of the RF grind exceedingly slowly.

    Given the Queen’s age though, the risk is that Wills will become more senior before the divorce is absolute – at least Prince of Wales – and wealthy beyond imagining – but also more visible – so the fallout of a divorce will be greater for him and so will the divorce settlement needed to rid him of Kate.

    One alternative to the above scenario is that [allegedly] it is William and David who are the secret lovers and that Rose is the’ beard’. Hmmmmmm.

  86. Plantagenet says:

    Long-time lurker, first-time poster! I’ve long had an interest in the BRF, and I’ve learned a lot from CB.

    My question is: why is the Royal Family so beholden to the press? It’s not like they’re elected officials, where if a scandal breaks out they could be voted out of office. That’s the nature of a hereditary monarchy; even if the heir is a lousy, scandal-ridden jerk, the people can’t just pick someone they like better.

    Prince Charles was publicly excoriated over the Diana debacle, but he’s still Prince of Wales, incredibly wealthy and entitled, and he’ll still be king. Certainly, no public figure wants to be despised, but his terrible public image didn’t hurt him in any material way.

    I really doubt that the people of the UK and Parliament are going to do away with the monarchy if the Daily Mail reveals Will’s extramarital activities. If they didn’t rise up to punish Charles for the way he treated Diana, a beloved royal superstar, they’re certainly not going to dismantle the monarchy for dull cipher Kate.

    So why is Will so desperate to do the tabloids’ bidding? Besides some public embarrassment, what could really happen to him if his cheating came to light? Why was hiding his affairs worth destroying his relationship with Harry?

  87. Kricket says:

    Is that last picture of Kate one in which she’s showing her *cough* Diana touch?
    Looks like a gargoyle (ie damn scary) in a red suit with too much makeup on.
    But I am, happily, just a commoner.

  88. Uncle Gary is the Middleton version of Thomas Markle.

  89. A says:

    I think that given Uncle Gary’s comments, there is someone or perhaps more than one person, behind the scenes, who is concerned that the monarchy won’t continue into the future under Charles, after the Queen has passed. That has always been the reason why “skip Charles” was an idea. It’s not about his competence at the job. It’s just that people are simply not excited about the concept of the monarchy’s existence after the Queen. I think there are a lot of reasons for this that don’t necessarily have to do with Charles himself, but of course the grey suits who worry about these things are out of touch to the point where they have no understanding of the public mood at all.

    But I think this, really, is the full crux of it, and it always has been. It’s been about how to find new ways to keep the monarchy popular and engaging. The rules for how things have always been done don’t matter much when it’s your survival at stake here, and the grey suits really think the survival of the monarchy is at stake. They bent the rules once before in the interest of popular opinion, albeit grudgingly, in “approving” of Kate’s marriage to William, bc they knew that 1) Kate and the Middletons are personally invested in the monarchy’s existence, so they can be counted on to come to its defense, and 2) they could spin a PR narrative for the media that they thought would help popularize the monarchy for the modern day (Kate is “modern” “middle-class” “college sweetheart”, etc.)

    Harry is easily the most popular member of the monarchy right now. He is fun, caring, and engaging, and people really gravitated to him. That’s why the grey suits are desperate to get him, and him alone, back into the fold, bc they need him. Him going out into the world and speaking critically of the staffers in the Queen’s employ dredges up questions about the monarchy’s relevance and continued existence. They loathe Meghan, not only for “taking him away”, but also bc they need him to be single. Not to be 3rd fiddle to the Cambs, but bc that makes it easier for people to project their own romantic fantasies of becoming princess onto him. Him and Meghan leaving shatters the fantasy that the monarchy needs to stay popular.

    I think that’s why Uncle Gary has been deputized to say this stuff. I think the MIddletons were asked to embiggen Kate, bc they need to make her look good so that people will want to keep the monarchy around if she’s queen. What’s most interesting here is that the one person who isn’t embiggening themselves in the same way is William. Sure, the Midd propaganda mill does it for him, but the stories that come from his PR camp don’t have the same sort of tone. They allude to him being FFK, but not with the urgency that Kate’s PR does. He’s never seemed very excited about the prospect of being king, not now, and not before too. The articles abt him talk abt how he’s angry that Harry left, but I think he’s angry bc he always planned on Harry doing the heavy lifting, and now he doesn’t get that option.

    The monarchy is opportunistic to its core, bc all it wants is to survive. They will play to the reactionary traditionalists by hating Meghan and propping up the Cambs as a middle-class, little England representatives. They will turn around and present Kate as “woke but not too woke” to angle towards the more progressive generation. They will exploit anything and everything to try and stay positively relevant to the public, but they really don’t understand that a monarchy has no place or relevance in a modern society, no matter who is at its helm.