Prince Harry worried that his family would kill his wife & he would raise Archie alone


As I watched The Me You Can’t See, I understood the strategy behind the Oprah interview with the Sussexes, and then two months later, the premiere of this show. The March interview was for Meghan to tell part of her story – she still has receipts left to drop – and to change a lot of the narratives around their exit and their time within the Firm. The AppleTV series is Harry’s story, his priorities, the lessons he’s learned. His part of the March interview was a preview of what he discusses in much greater depth in The Me You Can’t See. He’s still in process and maybe he always will be. But he speaks like a man who has done the work to deprogram himself and stand up for himself and his wife. I do mean deprogram – so much of Harry’s experience seems like he was part of a f–king cult. I covered a lot of quotes on Friday – go here and here to see – but here are even more quotes from Harry:

Fear of loss: “I am one of the first people to recognize that firstly, I had a fear of — when I first went to therapy — a fear of losing. Four years of therapy for an individual that never thought that they would ever need or do therapy is … that’s a long time. I wasn’t in an environment where it was encouraged to talk about it either. That was sort of, like, squashed.”

Deprogramming himself: “Family members have said just play the game and your life will be easier. But I have a hell of a lot of my mum in me. I feel as though I am outside of the system but I’m still stuck there. The only way to free yourself and break out to tell the truth… If your parents don’t want to talk about it. And your friends can’t remind you about it, there’s no reason why you shouldn’t say, ‘Hang on a second, I may be the product of my upbringing.’ ”

His anxiety: He would endure “panic attacks [and] severe anxiety” during royal duties in his late 20s, a period he calls a “nightmare time in my life” due to being in “fight of flight mode” and “freaking out” often. “Every single time I jump in the car and every single time I see a camera. I would just start sweating. I would feel as though my body temperature was two or three degrees warmer than everybody else in the room. I would convince myself that my face was bright red and that everybody could see how I was feeling, but no one would know why. So it was embarrassing. You get in your head about it,” Harry shares.

Becoming burned out: “Now in hindsight, looking back, it’s all about timing. Towards my late 20s, everything became really hectic for me. To the point of exhaustion, I was traveling all over the place because from my family’s perspective, I guess I was the person who was, like, ‘We need somebody to go there. Nepal, Harry. You go.’ I was always the yes man. I was always one who didn’t say yes, but then yes, yes, of course. Yes. Yes, yes, led to burnout.”

His family’s neglect: “I thought my family would help, but every single ask, request, warning, whatever, it is just got met with total silence, total neglect. We spent four years trying to make it work. We did everything that we possibly could to stay there and carry on doing the role and doing the job. But Meghan was struggling.”

When Meghan confessed her suicidal thoughts: “I’m also really angry with myself that we’re stuck in this situation. I was ashamed that it had got this bad. I was ashamed to go to my family because — to be honest with you, like a lot of other people my age could probably relate to — I know that I’m not going to get from my family what I need.”

Fatherhood made him realize he was done with Windsor drama: “I then had a son, who I would far rather be solely focused on, rather than every time I look in his eyes wondering whether my wife is going to end up like my mother and I’m going to have to look after him myself. That was one of the biggest reasons to leave, feeling trapped, and feeling controlled through fear. Both by the media and by the system itself, which never encouraged the talking about this kind of trauma. Certainly, now I will never be bullied into silence.”

[From People]

I cried watching the part where Harry said “…Every time I look in his eyes wondering whether my wife is going to end up like my mother and I’m going to have to look after him myself.” It was one of those aha-moments for him, just like “History was repeating itself. My mother was chased to her death while she was in a relationship with someone that wasn’t white. And now look what’s happened. You want to talk about history repeating itself? They’re not going to stop until she dies.” Harry saw and felt the danger for Meghan from the start. He understood that the institution and the British media wouldn’t stop until Meghan was dead. The fact that Harry, who always longed to be a father, would hold his son and worry about what he would do if his family killed his wife… I mean, it’s just next-level what Harry and Meghan have been through.

As for the “total neglect” – it was purposeful neglect, if that makes sense. They actually thought Harry was expendable for a long time. Oh well, they were so wrong.

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  1. Maria says:

    These people and this institution are so vile. Anyone defending them needs serious soul-searching.
    Thank God Harry took his family and they got away.

    • Mac says:

      Prince Philip managed the family side of the firm and instead of making it helpful and supportive, he made it toxic AF.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        That’s not surprising considering how chaotic and traumatic his own upbringing was.

      • L84Tea says:

        It goes back further than Philip, though. A lot of the dysfunction in that family also came from the Queen Mother. She was a notorious “shield the heir at all costs” person and apparently played a lot of petty games. She is a lot of the reason Elizabeth is the way she is.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Whether they called themselves the House of Hannover, the House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha or the House of Windsor, the British royals have been a deeply toxic family since the early 18th century.

        However, I do think that the late Queen Mother has a lot to answer for (and I think that the imposter syndrome that her husband struggled with has played a part as well).

      • Bess says:

        By the time Meghan came on the scene, was Prince Philip “retired” from public life? At 95, do you think Philip was still keeping the tight control over the family?

      • JT says:

        I believe Philip was largely checked out. If I’m not mistaken, he wanted to retire earlier but W&K wouldn’t get off their asses and get to work. It’s probably why they had to work Harry to the bone. Harry did say his grandparents convinced him to work for the firm after leaving the army.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Bess – Philip retired in…..2016? I think? He retired at 95, I’m just not sure at which point during that age he retired.

        I do think by that point he was checked out in more ways than one, but I do think he was keeping tabs on the bigger scandals in the family – i.e. when he got his butt to Balmoral in a HURRY when Epstein died, the queen drove to church with andrew, and Fergie made an appearance. He showed up (earlier than he was supposed to) and that was when Andrew left very abruptly.

      • Mac says:

        Philip ran the family for 64 years, his toxic approach isn’t going to die out in five years, especially since the rest of the family is upholding it.

      • Chica says:

        It goes back to the beginning of the monarchy. The generational curses in that family include regicide, patricide, matricide, homicide…etc. that’s what they have always done. Especially when they cannot bend/break someone to their will.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Philip announced in his 90th birthday interview that he wanted to retire. W&K’s response was to run off to Wales and refuse to work.

        Queen Mum was the one who schemed, with her long-time buddy Ruth Fermoy, to convince Charles to marry one of Fermoy’s granddaughters. They tried it with Sarah, she dated Charles but was unwilling to marry him, so they threw Diana in his path.

  2. Emmlo says:

    I just want every good thing for them. Health, happiness, success, peace.

    I love that Harry is not going to let them continue to scapegoat Meghan for the choices he made with full knowledge of how the system works and how his father and brother were happy to perpetuate it for their own gain.

    • Myra says:

      Same. For a time in 2019, I did have this dreadful fear that something bad was going to happen to Meghan. The abuse and harassment was at a fever-pitch and I was thinking that something had to give. The subsequent departure in 2020 was such a relief. I can’t imagine what it feels like to be going through that. I wish them their happily ever after.

      • Yvette says:

        @Myra … It’s back up to fever pitch, especially at DM. They have comments with language like “Someone needs to take her out.” No mistaking that meaning. It’s sad how blatantly obvious the media and royal commentators and reporters are being.

        Now they–as in certain British media and royal commentators and reporters–are attempting to rile up certain elements of the U.S. press and bring them to the harassment party. I noted several “US Fed Up With Harry and Meghan” articles by royal commentators/reporters this past weekend. Thankfully, thus far all but the most radical right wing press and social media in the U.S. have stayed out of and away from the madness. I hope it’s because anyone with one logical brain in their head can see what the British media, with support of the British Monarchy, are up to.

        I just don’t understand–aside from profits–why they just can’t let it go. Harry and Meghan are out of England. Why the need to rile up such hatred for them? Now they’re scared to death that Charles will bring them back once he’s King, and they’re on a campaign to squash that from ever happening.

      • Anna says:

        @Yvette “I just don’t understand–aside from profits–why they just can’t let it go.”
        white supremacy hates it when BIPOC survive and thrive, when we win or even when we just break even. It wants to make an example of us. white folks exhibit from mild to extreme retaliations against BIPOC for daring to live. See the current witness testimony about the Tulsa Race Massacre, 107-year old Viola Fletcher testifying about how she still remembers the horror every single day, all that was destroyed and lost, the horror visited on Black people by white terrorists. See that referenced in Regina King’s tv series Watchmen. From microaggressions to outright terror.

      • Chica says:


      • Chica says:

        @Yvette Charles can’t bring them back. He has no power to. Harry and Meghan already told us they’re never going back. Anyone paying attention should already know that a non starter. So the press are not afraid of him doing that. I’d say they’d prefer he did bc they’re never breaking the contract with the Rota and the RR would need to cover Sussex events (even if they had outside press). Period.

      • HeatherC says:

        @Yvette Harry and Meghan would be very very stupid and short sighted to go back no matter what Charles offers/promises because the guy coming right up behind Charles, next in line is William.

    • whatWHAT? says:

      I not only want every good thing for them, I wanna punch out anyone who tries to hurt them or their precious babies.

      the monarchy needs to go the way of the dinosaur. They serve no purpose.

      • Elsavita Williams says:

        I have the same sentiments. Should any foul play happen to Meghan or Harry the world knows who to hold responsible……the courtiers, Charles, William, et al.

    • Elsavita Williams says:

      They are evil bastards, especially Cain (William).

  3. lanne says:

    There was a tweet I saw this weekend. Something about the royal family and British media angry with him because he wouldn’t walk behind his wife’s coffin like he walked behind his mother’s.

    Chilling words. There were definitely times when I read clips of stories here and thought, damn. They want her dead.

    They would probably hold a celebration if she died. My god, they are a cult. I’m deleting all royal videos from my Amazon account. I will never purchase a royal anything or visit a royal palace if I ever return to the UK.

    • GuestWho says:

      It was something like:

      You all loved him when he walked behind his mother’s casket, but hate him because he refuses to walk behind his wife’s.

      It was chilling in its accuracy.

      I can’t believe that, with everything he’s said in the past two months, that the majority of brits on twitter are still blaming Meghan for everything. They really won’t stop until she’s dead. I can’t imagine she (or their children) will ever go to the UK.

      • L4frimaire says:

        I saw that tweet and it is 100% accurate. They don’t care about his family at all. They just want have this possessive attitude toward him and see Meghan and the kids as a disposable inconvenience.

    • swirlmamad says:

      Same. I’m done with the UK. I studied there in college for several months and always wanted to go back again, but hadn’t gotten the chance. Now I have no desire to set foot on that awful island ever again.

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        I am also done with anything related to the UK. When I can find the address to send the smashed keepsake I bought from W&K’s wedding and a note for them to fuck around and find out I will be posting that right to them.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        I agree. I want to stay as far away from Britain as I can get. Now Scotland I would love to visit again…especially an independent Scotland.

    • jazzbaby1 says:

      Funny you mention Amazon. I just noticed this weekend how many documentaries they stream about W&K, HMTQ, and even the Queen Mother. I don’t remember such an extensive library of docs about the contemporary BRF before H&M’s Netflix deal. Interesting.

    • Dawning says:


  4. Becks1 says:

    “I will never be bullied into silence.” That says so much about what he endured when he was an active member of the firm. Even just the whole “play the game and your life will be easier” – i.e. be nice to the press, give them what they want, be the sacrificial lamb for your brother and his family, and it will all be okay.

    The fact that his regret is not taking action sooner – you would think that would shut up the whole British press with their “poor Harry, he misses us, he’ll be back” narrative.

    Finally – he sounds like he was being deprogrammed from a cult because it IS a cult, only a really fancy one with lots of money and one that is sanctioned by the government. The Queen thinks she was anointed by God. They think the whole institution revolves around the monarch because of that (being anointed by God) and the heirs to the crown. There are whole huge parades every year to celebrate the monarch. They have rituals where they dress up in clothes from bygone eras and you are supposed to feel honored and privileged that you’re getting a new title or a new medal or whatever. You are supposed to fall on your sword when the monarch and the Firm command it, even if these days it is just a metaphorical sword. It’s not a healthy environment, for anyone.

    It doesn’t have to be. Other royal houses seem to have figured out how to modernize, streamline, and don’t have the toxicity that the Windsors have. But as long as the system benefits those in charge, and there is no outside pressure to change, it wont.

    • Becks1 says:

      Also I so clearly remember Harry in those days he was talking about – they were sending him EVERYWHERE – Nepal, the Caribbean, I think he visited the US solo at one point, etc. At the time there was a sense of “well he doesnt have young children and he’s young and charismatic and people love him” and that may be true, but its clear that no one thought of the toll of that on him. Traveling internationally like that is just exhausting, physically and mentally.

      • Cecilia says:

        Also its kind of stupid that they were working harry as if he was the future king. Im sorry to say, but it should have been william on those tours. I think it is part of why william is no where near ready to be king. Or take even the slightest bit over from his father.

      • Ginger says:

        Harry was the firms secret weapon. They knew they could send Harry and all would be good. I think the RF would much prefer Harry as king than William. William isn’t likable and is incredibly lazy. He insults people left and right.

        Also, he admitted his lowest point was between the ages of 28-32 and that’s when he was playing the third wheel to Will and Kate. He clearly hated it.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Becks: Harry was sent out there for all those reasons and because William and Kate probably refused to do those tours. Someone on Twitter mentioned yesterday that the four years that Harry described as a total nightmare coincided with the time he was made part of the Royal trio. Harry was doing a lot of heavy lifting for the family and it was probably making his mental health issues worse.

      • Becks1 says:

        @AmyBee – yup, agree with you and Ginger. It’s clear that he was doing the heavy lifting for the young royals in more ways than one and it was just too much for him. Also at that time he was getting Invictus up and running, which at the time was not considered a royal event, so all of his work for that did not “count” so my guess is the family was saying “oh well who cares if you have 5 meetings today for Invictus, we have royal work for you to do as well.” He was probably exhausted, stressed, and unable to process his trauma.

      • Snuffles says:

        He went because Will and Kate refused. Used their kids as an excuse. Will probably thought he was making out like a bandit forcing Harry to do all the work. But now it’s Harry that has built international good will and made those connections for his future endeavors. And Will is seen as a cold, distant future king.

      • Cecilia says:

        @ginger. I think william loves the prospect of being king, but not the work that comes with it. Its why looked so miserable in those pics past weekend. He HATES what is waiting for him. Despite being boring, william&kate is all the BRF got right now. They are going to have to do twice the work but simply don’t have it in them to do it.

      • Zebz says:

        @cecilia I agree with you. It is really strange. What’s even more strange is that William seems to need Harry as a guide for what to do and say in public or else he flails around. I remember a couple weeks ago, prince Harry did an interview about social media and mental health on archewell. Then in a press release about Cambridge’s social media game, William mentions being concerned on social media’s effect on mental health. There’s lots of examples of this over just these few months. Even with prince philips memorial statement, there were stories about Harry refusing to do a joint statement. Just like the princess Diana statue speech rumor. Why would Harry and William do a joint statements??? It’s really starting to look like Harry was Williams handler.

      • Myra says:

        He also had to do all of that all alone. Finally, he meets someone he can truly share that journey (burden, really) with. Then they all turn against him – wanting him to continue this life all alone, once more.

      • Brielle says:

        Those RR and Cambridge fans or Meghan haters always say that Harry was happy in that trio and Kate was like a mum or big sister…and Harry said : it was a nightmare time!!! So Harry was clearly lost or hated to be in that trio…and what’s crazy is that Harry chose Meghan and not his brother( or family) whom he knew all his life and shared a tragedy:clearly they were not that close like the media want us to believe

      • swirlmamad says:

        Harry was ALWAYS the most likable one. Even back then, when I didn’t know what I know now and I followed Will/Kate, Harry was always my favorite of all of them. There’s always been something so affable and relatable to him. Makes me sad to know he was so desperately unhappy and struggling when the world was watching and thinking something completely different about him and his state of mind.

      • notasugarhere says:

        He visited the US several times solo officially, starting in 2013 iirc. It was a tour that *should have been done by the future king*, but William was off hiding somewhere. It did give us the enduring friendship between Harry and Michelle Obama, along with planting the seed for Invictus Games when he went to the Warrior Games.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Cecilia – yeah I think William is seeing his future as king and while he wants the power and money that comes with it (and the prestige), I do think there’s a part of him that realizes how boring its going to be. Harry is chairing concerts with J.Lo and the Foo Fighters. William is….not. His time to make a difference and to have unique projects and to be known for SOMETHING besides being the heir to the heir is now, and he’s squandering it.

      • Elsavita Williams says:

        In fact, Jamaica wanted to opt out of the commonwealth of nations, however, after meeting Prince Harry she changed her mind. They got along so well.

      • Lady D says:

        “he was so desperately unhappy and struggling when the world was watching and thinking something completely different about him”
        Same for Robin Williams (sob) It broke my heart to find out how unhappy the man who literally saved my sanity was. (I was self-medicating with laughter) Funniest man alive, flourishing career, 3 children who adored him and half the planet would have welcomed him in their homes and still he is driven to a violent self ending. Still hurts to know he died so unhappy. I feel I owe him.

    • Golly Gee says:

      I was hoping that their move would dry up a juicy source of stories for the tabloid media in Britain but I think the tabs are breathing a sigh of relief as Harry is giving them lots to work with even at their own expense. Don’t get me wrong, he definitely should keep talking, I only wish the media weren’t able to make bank off of this. It’s disgusting. And I hope the things he’s saying shine a light that can’t be ignored on their toxicity resulting in their eventual distruction. They have destroyed so many lives.

      • lanne says:

        The media would be writing fiction about him if he weren’t speaking up. Their anger comes from the fact their fictional story is ruined. They could have built an entire years worth of stories on Harpy Meghan and miserable Harry. Maybe even decades. Harry is blocking the ratchets media deals as well. The more he speaks for himself, the less opportunity the ratchets will have to go on American media and speak for him. The more he speaks, the crazier they look when they try to stick to the British media party line.

      • JT says:

        William absolutely should have been the one doing all of the work. Harry had to give up his military career and you have William pretending to be an air ambulance pilot. A couple of talks with granny and the queen mom wasn’t enough to prepare for his role and it shows. He is awful at it. They should have kept Harry happy as he was the one doing all of the work.

        I think one of the excuses for the lack of work between W&K was that they needed time to get to know each other in marriage. It was something like that and I’m like y’all have been together for a decade. What do you need to get to know.

      • swirlmamad says:

        While the trash UK media is going to run with all of this and say what they want regardless, there are at least some publications (mostly US-based) that will accurately report on all of this and what he is saying, so at least the truth is getting out there somewhat. As @Ianne says, if the Sussexes kept quiet, it would be 100% lies and slander.

      • Golly Gee says:

        lanne, True they will keep spinning fiction, although that would get harder with time and lack of controversy.
        What are ratchets? I’m unfamiliar.

      • lanne says:

        Ratchet is a slang word that means trashy, rude, ill mannered, grandiose in self importance. We started calling the Royal Rota royal ratchets because they deem themselves royal by proxy and have set themselves up as royal gatekeepers. They aren’t journalists—they are paid hacks there to parrot their right wing overlord party line and the royal family party line.

      • Golly Gee says:

        @lanne, Thanks for the explanation. That describes them perfectly.

    • Eurydice says:

      Yes, this is exactly the thing. This is the sound of extinction- the dinosaurs screaming in the tar pits. The RF is an entire industry whose product is no longer relevant. They’re making buggy whips and think all they need is a YouTube channel or a personal sales call and everyone will want buggy whips again.
      For 2 nanoseconds the RF had a truly modern couple with a truly modern product – a couple that showed how the RF could step out of the pomp and cobwebs, really reach people, connect with them and help them, but that was too painful for their brains. So now they’re left with William in his fusty, ill-fitting suit to save what’s left of the Empire.

      • JT says:

        What’s even crazier is that Meghan was willing to do the work. She was ready from the world go and Harry seemed energized as well. It’s much better to be doing all of that traveling and meeting people with a partner. She most likely is the reason he stayed being a working royal because there was no way he want going to collapse if he was still single. I saw a quote from Meghan that said, “if I new they weren’t going to protect me I would have done more.” I think the farewell tour is what could’ve been if she didn’t try to break herself for them.

      • North of Boston says:

        Yeah, that’s one of the sad parts of this.
        Harry and Meghan were pointing the way to a well lit wide open door towards how the British monarchy could continue to be relevant, to continue to do the public service they love to bang on about, to even let W & K continue to be slackers because H & M were so high functioning even when allowed only a little room to operate.

        But no, BRF, The Firm, RR etc rejected that outright. They were only happy when they were in control and hiding the Sussexes’ light under a barrel. And then they decided hiding it wasn’t enough, they wanted to snuff it out entirely, at least as far as Meghan and ‘her’ children were concerned (note BM always say ‘her’ child, son, etc, never Harry’s or Harry and Meghan’s)

        The Sussexes are out, and living their lives as they please.

        But the decisions, the words, the actions of the BRF, courtiers, institution, RR, BM are going to wind up being their own undoing, the weight of this is going to expose them and sink them and the whole enterprise. They’ve shown they don’t want to do better, they don’t want to do what’s necessary to be relevant in a changed world, they don’t want to provide value to the Commonwealth or the UK or the people and places they claim to love so dearly.
        So what good are they? Soon more and more people will be asking that question, including enough people to take the whole thing down.

        FAAFO – all the palace players are going to be ‘finding out’ all right. They haven’t seen anywhere near the worst of it yet.

      • lucy2 says:

        I agree, H&M could have done wonderful things for the monarchy.

      • Celia456 says:

        @Eurydice writes “For 2 nanoseconds the RF had a truly modern couple with a truly modern product”

        This, exactly. Those of us old enough recognize the excitement, glamour and winds of change that Diana brought. It was lovely to see that same energy and engagement from M&H during their tours. In both cases the RF cut off their nose to spite their face.

    • Demi says:

      They have secret rituals among themselves that not much people know about as well like when they all go to Balmoral Diana said she absolutely had nightmare times there & her bulimia amplified there

      • Chica says:

        It’s a cult. Their culture is inherently meant to socialize its members and Indoctrinate them into that dogmatic way-of-life for royals. Like, it’s a whole British culture. They inherently believe royals are the pinnacle of societal aspiration. Having their prince willing leave and say NOPE and Meghan never compromising who she was to accepted
        By the classes of ppl who desperately wished she’d “know her place” is amazing. I’m telling you their story compelling af. I desperately want and need it to have a happy ending. Revenge is a dish best served cold? And what I worry about are the Sussex children and their ability to lead independent lives. I think children will always be resentful when they feel their freedom is restricted and unfortunately, bc of who their parents and family members are, they’ll always have a target on their backs and will need a level of security. Hopefully, having them be brought up with security around them since birth (sort of like of the have a RPO) will make them resigned to this is the way it is for them.

  5. Lily says:

    I’m so proud of Harry.

  6. Cecilia says:

    I was watching diana: in her own words this weekend and what stood out to me is how much of a “each on their own” family this actually is (unless your name is andrew). The queen puts her head in the sand in times that her family is in turmoil. Charles is almost incapable of compassion. Idk what the hell william is on. And unless you are the heir palace aides won’t bother to make your life and work even a bit bearable.

  7. Abby says:

    This breaks my heart for him. Truly made me tear up. I wish him, and Meghan, and Archie and their little girl all the happiness and success in life. I’m really rooting for them.

  8. Amy Bee says:

    Yes, Harry was in cult. When Glenn Close was talking about being in a cult, it sounded just like Harry’s experience. Instead of blaming Meghan for them leaving, perhaps people should blame Harry’s therapist because it’s clear that getting therapy opened his eyes to a lot of things and helped him to realise that he was better off out of the Royal Family. The anti-Harry stans are now asking why he offered to be part-time. As he mentioned, when he told the family that he wanted to leave they told him that he couldn’t so I think he offered to be part-time as a compromise. Luckily, the family was too stupid to accept that and told him that he could only be in or out and not half in.

    • Kalana says:

      I think Harry still hasn’t reconciled how much agency his family has in their arrangement with the Rota and right-wing tabloids. Being part-time was about avoiding the Rota.

      • Brielle says:

        During his latest engagement (the rugby thing),they invited only the rota and that after they published everything on their website: buckingham just didn’t care about his wishes

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        He knows only too well how much of a hostage the RF is to the RotaRats. He practically said as much……i think its somewhere in those statements made on sussexroyalDOTcom, prolly under the section: 2020 Transition or something like that.

        He explained to them how they could widen their media list but for some obscure reason the BRF are unable to extricate themselves from this particular media grp in britain. Its mind-boggling tht such a powerful institution should hv voluntarily imprisoned themselves to such a degree for such a long time so tht now, theres no way for them to loosen the grip tht these particular media houses hv on them without bringing the entire monarchy down. Its crazy.

        I hope H&M can tell tht story in a netflix series. Also i hope they do a netflix series abt cults. I know many stories abt cults exist and i dont mean tht H&M should be the subjects of a series on cults. But, like the Crown, it should be done in a way tht we all can see the parallels.

      • Moxylady says:

        100% agree. When Oprah mentioned things like this – can’t the Queen make her own decisions – Harry made excuses for her. Which – that’s where he’s at. It’s a lot to process and work through. And he may not want to share a change of feelings towards the queen with the world. Which is fair. It’s his emotional process. But what I noticed. Was every time
        Oprah made and excellent point that Meghan most likely knew Harry was “at” yet. She hummed along in agreement but held his hand because she knew where he was regarding these issues and wanted to support him.
        I just adore them.

    • Emile says:

      I saw a tweet this weekend that said something like: “How do you know if you are in a cult? By the way people behave when you try to leave.”

      The RF, the BM, the establishment and large parts of the UK populace (and other royalists in other parts of the world) have been completely deranged since Sussexit. They either want the Sussexes to bend the knee and be abused in the UK or, if they do leave the RF, disappear into oblivion.

      • Brielle says:

        That’s the privacy talk for…I also saw tweets saying Harry shouldn’t talk about his experience and I’m like WTF

    • notasugarhere says:

      I think the half-and-half idea was both a compromise and because of Harry’s sense of duty. Not to the family cult per say, but to the people of the UK and Commonwealth. That’s why we’ll see Archewell working all over the world, not limiting to the US.

  9. TigerMcQueen says:

    Harry was absolutely right, and absolutely right to leave. That the firm continues to disregard his words and is gaslighting the memory of his mother proves that.

    Bashir is pushing back against Cain’s gaslighting narrative, too, which I’m so happy to see.

  10. ThatgirlThere says:

    I’m grateful that Harry and Meghan are out and away from his family. I just am so disgusted by the whole lot of them on that god forsaken island. His brother disgusts me most. The ONLY reason that they are popular with the British people is because they hate Meghan. The black woman! When I think of how they’re were constantly made fun of and how the media would constantly pick on them for being lazy and boring I laugh. They couldn’t anything right, they didn’t DO anything!

    Then the comes hardworking, brilliant, imaginative Sussex and BAMB! The Cambridge’s are suddenly everything the crown needs.

    To hell with the crown and the BRF.

    • Mich says:

      Are they even that popular on Salty White Isle? Recent polling suggests that younger generations want the monarchy abolished and under 35s support Harry over Charles and William.

      • ThatgirlThere says:

        Good. They are both awful people deserve and future failure they are met with.

      • JT says:

        In a poll a few weeks ago, Harry actually beat William in who should be the next king. It was a slim margin, but the fact that Will-di Amin couldn’t squeeze out a win is telling.

    • Chica says:

      @Thatgirlthere the only reason the Walmart and Kmart stopped being picked on in the media is bc they started working with the press. That’s why Harry also felt like William had gone in a direction different from himself. He never used to give the express any access and that’s why they were painfully honest in calling them lazy and criticizing them I. The manner the media IS supposed to for public tax payers interest. They don’t do that anymore since Billygoat has made deals with the Newspaper editors.

  11. Digital Unicorn says:

    His comments make you wonder what the media has on the entire RF that has them cowed to them and they’ve done this for decades.

    Break the wheel Harry!

    • Cherriepie84 says:

      Im not so sure the media has much on them. Its likely that the good for nothing, lazy royals NEED the media to keep them relevant…..if all the rota rats turned on them they will be doomed so they have to make them happy in order to stay on their good side. As someone said upthread, once they had Meghan to harrass and bully, the praises started rolling in for the mediocre royals.

  12. Bettyrose says:

    I’m still wrapping my mind around the fact that this is really happening. What is the future of the RF after this? These accusations are game changing on every level, and they have no moves left here. The world is watching Harry and Meghan very closely.

    • Ginger says:

      The married ins have talked about how rough it is in the family. Fergie, Diana and now Meghan. But to have a blood royal ( and one that is incredibly popular) talk like this about the family is unheard of. I don’t see how they will come back from it. And Harry’s truth is more damaging than all 3 married ins combined.

      • Dawning says:

        It is definitely hard for married-ins of this cultish clan (can’t use the word family here).
        The big difference between these three women though is only Meghan had a real man for a husband. Diana and Fergie’s husbands did not fight for them. The real shocker and angst for the British people is that Harry chose Meghan.
        It is laughable that someone wrote in an article threatening Meghan, “Don’t force him to choose between you and his family (the BRF) for you won’t like the outcome.” I am laughing because Harry did chose Meghan, his real family.

      • Demi says:

        George and Louis will have hard times in the future trying to find someone willing to marry them

      • Liz version 700 says:

        It is stunning. And so obvious that Harry is being truthful. The anger and frustration are palpable. I hope the RF doesn’t come back from this, they don’t deserve too

      • bettyrose says:

        Demi -

        The future wives of George and Luis might not have even been born yet. There’s a real opportunity for the RF not to torment any more spouses for the next two decades and maybe young women by then will no longer be horrified at the thought. I mean, anything’s possible?

    • Cecilia says:

      If something happens to meghan and harry the royal family will be done for. He’s speaking so openly so that if it happens there will be absolutely no doubt as to who’s responsible.

      I wonder if it will work. Clearly there are reporters itching to write about whatever it is that they know about william. But hating meghan and harry sells just fine so if they simply continue to critique everything these 2 put out, they won’t have to expose william.

      I want 1 investigate journalists to go there tho.

      • JT says:

        If the RF were smart, they would back off of briefing against H&M. Even if it’s just surface level they would be much better off. Constantly attacking them is doing the royals no favors and it’s just proving H&M right. All they need to do is keep it classy and focus on their own work. But they are the royals. So they will do the opposite of that.

      • Cecilia says:

        @JT they are backed into a corner. I think part of the smear campaign is palace sanctioned because of jealousy. The other part is because again, meghan and harry stories sell the best. And the royal family needs to keep the press happy. When the queen said she wants to deal with this privately, she meant that. Unfortunately for her she can’t solve this privately because the press wants stories. And as long as these type of stories keep coming meghan and especially harry won’t stop talking.

      • Brielle says:

        @Cecilia this is crazy…as Oprah said,doesn’t the queen got to do what the queen want to do? I mean I don’t understand how the press has so much power over the BRF? I mean without them,they can’t sell papers: it’s a soap opera live..proof is they are angry at Harry and asking him to come back

      • Bettyrose says:

        Brielle- If it weren’t for the Crown I’d never understand it, but the show makes it pretty clear how limited TQ’s power is. I mean sure she can control every second of family functions to her desired number of costume changes but the courtiers make the larger decisions about the RF’s image.

      • Alexandria says:

        It boggles my mind too. What else does the BRF have to offer for the BM? If the BM is honest with themselves, there is zero actual dirt on Harry and Meghan except for Harry’s past and that was in his youth. The dirt is all in the BRF. The BRF should step down, it has zero relevance today except to symbolize white supremacy and colonialism. I bet that’s why some of these rota rats want to preserve it at the same time while attacking it, because deep inside their white selves want to keep it alive to remain superior.

      • Eurydice says:

        @JT- this is a battle between corporate entities with different needs for survival. The BRF can only survive if nothing changes or if change is gradual. The BM can only survive if there is constant change, it needs volatility to keep writing stories. The BM has no incentive to be “smart” about the RF – they will make more money if everything is in chaos.

  13. Lala11_7 says:

    @Hey….Harry is a grown ass man who can do WHATEVA HE WANTS…which is NOW the thesis of his life…what you call bitching & moaning…millions of other see it as speaking TRUTH to corrupt power…PERIOD!

    • bettyrose says:

      The other RF men don’t really have experience with being able to do whatever they want (other than having multiple affairs, but even then within the confines of discretion). Harry may be the first since the times when Kings had real power (but did younger brothers ever?) Probably why they never saw Harry’s jailbreak coming.

  14. mariahlee says:

    I hope this experience with sharing his truth has been cathartic for him. He’s pissed a lot of people off, but I reckon a lot more people understand him and his decisions now.

    I still feel like Meghan has a lot more story to tell, and maybe we’ll hear it once she’s ready. Looking forward to her book promotion, and the focus being on happier times and not her trauma. She deserves it.

    • aquarius64 says:

      The BM is slagging her book because she is not talking to Bad Dad. I hope she talks to Oprah or Gayle about the book and the wonderful experiences.

  15. WildWaffles says:

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  16. Ginger says:

    I do wonder if we will get a second season of this docu-series. I hope we do. It’s getting a lot of rave reviews and people are really loving it.

  17. Izzy says:

    I am so glad they’re out of that awful place and away from those awful people. I have to be honest, I didn’t think they’d let the children survive either. I figured the insidious plan included getting rid of the bi-racial wife AND the bi-racial children. I was genuinely scared for the Sussex family. They are so much better off now, and the rest of the RF can’t hold a candle to them.

    • Emmitt says:

      The purpose of ramping up the attacks on Meghan when she was pregnant with Archie and refusing to let her check herself into a mental facility (when they knew she was struggling) was so Meghan would kill herself and that would eliminate Archie and any future mixed race children.

      The Royals and their sycophants are too up their asses to realize if Meghan DID kill herself while pregnant with Archie, people would start thinking “Hey, didn’t DIANA try to kill herself while pregnant with William? What’s going on over there that pregnant women want to kill themselves?”

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Emmitt, I forgot about that until you mentioned it — how Diana threw herself down the stairs while pregnant with William. My God….the RF is a dangerous, dangerous institution for any woman to join. I shudder to think what it will be like by the time the Cambridge kids (namely George and Louis) are old enough to marry (as in, nothing will have changed and the sick cycle will continue).

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Wow Emmitt, your last sentence is a very powerful point and one that Harry fortunately, didn’t want to experience.

  18. MadMangoMal says:

    I’m starting to get the feeling Harry has receipts regarding his family’s involvement in Diana’s death and he’s just waiting for push to come to shove and he’ll blow the whole thing up.
    Whah! The truth is always stranger than fiction yet I’m not surprised but still shocked by it all -if that makes sense?

    • Sophie says:

      I will always believe that the family was involved in her death.

      • Soupie says:

        Me too, they just used the media, so convenient.

      • Robin says:

        Personally, I think it was an horrific accident. However, I do recall reading that Diana had been incredibly fond of an equerry at some point in her marriage, to the point the family thought it was bordering on an affair. He was soon after killed in a motorbike crash, which she was convinced was not an accident. From what I read, others in her circle – supporters and detractors – weren’t convinced, either.

    • Anna says:


    • Emmitt says:

      Perhaps the British Media has receipts on how the BRF had Diana killed, the BRF knows it and THATS’ why they’re trapped. If the truth about Diana’s death came out, that’s the end for the British Royal Family.

      • MadMangoMal says:

        Oh that makes so much sense! We keep asking what the heck it is the media has on the family to keep them this complicate and terrified.

  19. Given that Harry clearly states his fear of something awful happening to Meghan, is it any wonder that having their “royal protection” security pulled without any warning would send Harry scrambling to get out of where they were and get someplace safe? Thank God for Tyler Perry flying them off that Canadian island to his LA home and providing them the use of his security team while they got themselves covered! Staying on that island with their security pulled like that must have made them feel like sitting ducks! To my mind, the Sussexes are MUCH SAFER with their own, private security team paid for by themselves.

    • joanne says:

      They were being protected by the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) while they were on Vancouver Island. Everything was fine until their location was leaked (cough, cough William). That was when reporters started stalking them and it was time to leave.

      • Chica says:

        I don’t think it was necessarily William telling the staff to leak the location. I’d put that down to a Charles before Billygoat. I think it was a combination of higher up staff, across all three palaces (w/the understanding that the Sussexes were to thwarted ) that knew where the couple was bc they’re royal family members and it’s their business to know for security purposes should anything happen where in the world they’re staying.

        I hope Meghan and Harry have a panic room and that they made connections with the CA government to learn how to find the best private security for ppl of their stature without secret service. Like, don’t ppl want to kill Rupert and other bad men/women who aren’t political? Who are their security? I’d say stay away from firms that have conflicts of interest, which is another thing Harry and Meghan have to be careful w/bc private security teams can have moles and set them up to make it look like someone else is responsible more easily.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They were outed by Wootten, who is a Uni buddy of #PoorJason. Wootten was caught paying another W&K staffer’s boyfriend for info on the Sussexes. That staffer, Christian something, and PoorJason have both been shoved out the door of KP, in the vain attempt to cover the fact they were being directed by W&K to attack Sussex Family on the regular. W&K and KP were behind the outing of their location in Canada, as well as their half-and-half proposal and plans to leave.

      • ennie says:

        William’s team all the way. No way they did that on their own volition.

      • Nic919 says:

        I believe it was Emily Andrews who confirmed there had been a KP press briefing, which took place a day before Harry and Meghan’s location in Canada was leaked. She didn’t admit to the leak but the connection couldn’t be more obvious.

  20. Chelsea says:

    I saw a comment the other day that summized that Harry is saying this stuff out loud so that itd be harder for the Firm to orchestrate an “accident” and people not to put things together. I was surprised to see it had thousamds of likes; it’s crazy that we all see with our eyes that British monarchy wants the Queen’s grandson’s wife dead so clearly but most importantly Harry seed it. That part when he talks about looking into Archie’s eyes amd wondering if he would lose his mum forcing Harry to raise him alone while dealing with the trauma of losing another woman in his life well really got to me. That “family” is evil.

    On another note it was really interesting to see Harry talk about his anxiety and panic attacks in detail for the first time as i know it’s been reported on in the past and he referenced it once before but he hasn’t gone into detail before. Was also fascinating to see him admit that travelling back to London has been a trigger for him since his mum died and to watch him do EDMR on camera to address it. Even when famous people open up they hardly ever give that intimate a view of their therapy.

    I’ve only seen the first 3 eps as im pacing myself but this is a great series. The way it shows clinical professionals along side very carefully told human stories is powerful. I also really appreciate them showing schizophrenia and OCD with Ambar and Ginny respectively as i feel those conditions are really misunderstood and i learned a lot from those segments. Not enough to be an expert obviously but enough not to say harmful s**t that often gets said about them anymore and i will do more research.

    • Chica says:

      I think at this point, their priority would to take Harry out over Meghan bc the assumption is that he knows too much. Even if he shared what he knows with Meghan, that’s still hearsay. Harry was inside the institution so he’d have more credible stories. That’s part of the damaging narrative about Meghan per BM, they’ve somewhat compromised her credibility with the negative stories that have run unencumbered about her the last 5-years.

      I don’t think Meghan is the priority now, it would be taking out one of their own for the good of the monarchy. Then they’d throw everything out there by making it a self-inflicted injury of the Sussexes. I think they’re more prepared to weather that storm.

      • Emmitt says:

        Harry is more valuable to the BRF than Meghan; she and the children are expendable. Doing away with Meghan/children would be the best way to bring Harry to heel, especially if it was done in the United States, as a message to Harry that it doesn’t matter where he goes, he can never escape the Firm.

        This would be effective only if they felt they could bring Harry to heel, but the harder they push, the more Harry breaks away.

        If they got rid of Harry they’d also have to get rid of the entire Sussex Family along with him…can’t risk having angry children coming for them 20 years later causing them more headaches by blaming King William for the deaths of their parents. Best to get rid of them all.

        Harry knows this, which is why he’s telling it loud and telling it wide, so that if anything happens, we all know who to look at. Speaking out protects his family.

    • Anna says:

      I’m really thankful for this whole series. It’s coming at a point where I really need it, too, so am just grateful and taking in all of the advice and support it offers.

  21. Brielle says:

    After watching,I wonder why the Firm told him he couldn’t leave and forces were against him…like all 2019, William and the media were telling ppl that they were sending them away in Africa,England was too small for the 2 couples and now they wanted to leave on their own and they
    And the part that shocked me was when I saw Harry and Meghan showing Archie for the first time: I remember how chaotic it was and RR WERE NOT happy by the announcement and in fact it was the palace who didn’t want Archie’s birth announced or Archie’s showed…

    • BABSORIG says:

      Remember what Meghan said? That they would do, say or decide something for the Sussexes but then leak it that the Sussexes made that decision themselves. So they refused Harry to leave, but then leaked that they were willing for him to leave. It’s gaslighing of a whole different level. I at this point no longer believe the “Diana became so distrustful of the royals that she refused royal protection”. I think the protection was deliberately pulled but they leaked that she refused it. I no longer believe the “Diana would call the tabloids herself and leak her where abouts”. No, the royal family would leak Diana’s where about, sic their attack dogs on her and then turn around and leak that she called them herself.
      And you right about the events surrounding Archie’s birth. The royal family didn’t want birth announced or baby shown, and then turned around and leaked that it was the Sussexes that refused it all. Vile vile people they are that English RF
      And I’m sure Harry already has pre recorded material that’s probably with his lawyers or in a safe deposit box somewhere where he’s spilled everything. If they harm him, Meghan doesn’t have to speak his truth, he’ll do so himself even if it’s from his grave.

      • Nyro says:

        All of this. They said Diana called the tabloids just like they say Meghan calls the tabloids. They say Diana refused royal protection officers just like they say Meghan took her name off of her own child’s birth certificate. They lied on Diana over and over just like they’ve done to Meghan. I’m convinced now more than ever that they deliberately stirred up the chaos around Diana in order to put her in harms way. Harry clearly believes that as well.

  22. Another Anna says:

    I disliked Harry for so long after the nazi costume. But now that I understand his family dynamic, I feel sympathy for the younger him and think it’s great that the current Harry figured himself out.

    I think it’s probably cathartic to be able to protect his wife and kids the way his mother wasn’t protected and he wasn’t emotionally protected for basically his entire life. The Royal Family is playing with fire here. When someone hits their breaking point, other people trying to use the old mechanisms to manipulate not only doesn’t work, it tends to make the first person more resolved. In this case, that’s dangerous for the Royal Family because he has both popularity and reality on his side. If they don’t change something, I don’t see them lasting five years beyond Petty Betty’s death.

    • KL says:

      The costume thing really shocked and appalled me, as well. And I think it was stupid, careless, and insensitive regardless.

      It’s… interesting to contextualize, though, that apparently William encouraged the costume as a funny joke and then let Harry take 100% of the fallout. They were both at that party with the racist “Colonizers and Natives” theme. William went as a cute fuzzy lion. He came out looking so golden.

      • lanne says:

        William went as a Zulu. Not a lion. What we’re seeing with Harry is a lifelong arc of growth. He has made mistakes, but he has publicly acknowledged them and learned from them. When have we seen William learn? What’s his growth trajectory? He doesn’t have one because his mistakes were all covered up, or Harry was blamed for them. A child who never has to learn from mistakes grows up to be a monster, inevitably. Pair that with being told you will be king by birthright, is it no surprise that Will-di Amin has grown up to be a monster?

      • notasugarhere says:

        William bullied Harry into wearing the costume after picking it out for him, as per comments from the person working at the shop. And William didn’t go as a lion, that was the press covering for him. He went to the shop demanding an ‘African Native’ costume. Ended up making his own, complete with black tights.

        Edit, cross-posted with lanne.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yeah the theme alone is bad!! “colonizers and natives” WTF, who are these people that they have those kinds of racist parties!!!

    • February-Pisces says:

      You know what I find interesting about the nazi costume incident, is that the harry back then thought that behaviour was totally normal, because it was normal in his circles and still is. He grew up around those attitudes and people who thought dressing up as a nazi would be hilarious. I’m the same age as harry and I’m from the UK, and no one I know around that time would have ever done that, not ever. But that’s the sort of people harry grew up around and all he knew. I don’t think is was until he left those circles and went to the army and hung around normal people that he started to see the world around him. William is still exactly in that same racist place. He has never been around non-aristos not even at uni.

      • Brielle says:

        But didn’t William went also to the Army? There was a debate if William was a veteran like Harry

      • SenseOfTheAbsurd says:

        I remember reading about that at the time, and you’re right, apparently it was a standard theme for parties in those circles.

  23. My3cents says:

    I’m so impressed with him. The fact that he did the work and has gotten to this place where he can look at things from a different perspective and come to see his family and the institution for the toxicity they are is something that takes a lot of maturity, growth, and work. Frankly I’m impressed he’s done it in 4 years, some people will go through a lifetime of therapy and never fully get there.

  24. TheOriginalMia says:

    What’s sad is this was a real possibility. The BM & KP have been very effective in wearing Meghan down. What they failed to realize is that if they had succeeded, Harry wouldn’t have returned. He would be in Papa Bear mode and would scorch the BRF/BM institution to the ground. They think this is bad. Let something happen to Meghan and the kids. World War III.

  25. Calibration says:

    So – hypothetically – what would happen if we all said to these RR ‘journalists’ basically what they say to and about M and H daily. What would happen? I think we’d go to jail, or be sued. They’re provoking threats. Why aren’t they going to jail? Imagine if a precious baby of the RR was threatened the way especially meghan has been?

    • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

      Right, @Calibration. These people are not only causing mental damage, they’re inciting violence. People like Piss Morgan have made it an absolute mission to whip up as much frenzied hate as can be experienced. They’ve obsessively stalked, gaslighted, intruded, lied – and no-one is saying ‘look. The RRs are dangerous. They’re behaving like the abusers in a violent relationship. They’re stigmatising and targeting people on the basis of their ethnic background. And there’s no comeback. People actively WANT to read the lies so they can have an Orwellian three minute hate. The Mail has turned Meghan and Harry into Goldstein. Like he says, where does it stop? When another person he loves ends up dead?

      • Calibration says:

        Exactly, to me there are credible threats. I mean piss has a crazy rant about cancel culture, but imagined if his life was threatened even once, he’d be in fits.

    • Brielle says:

      @calibration the other day one of the RR,I think it was Becky English,Cambridge mouthpiece ,who said that she was receiving too much abuse…and I asked her and how about Meghan? She received abuse from you and your peers and from social media but they don’t care,they don’t see her as a person…

  26. LaraW” says:

    Please correct me if I’m way off base, since I have not watched the series (I’m sure it’s very well done, but I know I’m not in the emotional place to be able to watch it), so I am basing this off the quotes posted on CB and the two clips widely circulated on twitter where Harry speaks of history repeating itself.

    I wonder if there were signs among his family and the courtiers that he picked up on consciously or subconsciously, that triggered memories of the circumstances surrounding his mother’s death— small, subtle details that led to an overall environment. Children pick up on that and absorb it so quickly.

    Because I think there’s a difference between understanding an institution is damaging and that an institution is lethal. What strikes me is he continously and adamantly connects the danger to Meghan as an exact repetition of what happened to his mother; not an analogy, but the same conditions, the same patterns, the same environment perfectly primed for her death— and not only by the tabloid press but within the institution itself.

    The quote about Harry looking at his son, wondering if he was going to end up a single father, clearly shows that he didn’t consider the risk of Meghan’s death as a one off incident. It’s something he thought about on a regular basis. It’s something that weighed on him continuously, to the point where the only possible outcome he could see was his wife’s death— whether by her own hand or some other incident— unless he did something about it.

    To be clear, I am not taking sides on the debate regarding the accident the killed Diana— I know there’s a lot controversy around it and confusing narratives/competing details. I am referring to Harry so explicitly, unambiguously, drawing a direct line to the environment prior to his mother’s death and the situation he and Meghan were in while they were still in the UK.

    Triggers are a really powerful and can be completely unexpected things. I remember reading once that a girl was triggered by calculus— not because of the subject itself, but she was taking calculus the year that she was subjected to sexual abuse. It was an unconscious association her brain and body made and it took her years to figure out why calculus elicited a trauma response. I wonder if there was some element of that too in Harry’s situation.

    Also as an aside, I think that when Harry refers to “the system,” it’s a reference to “The Firm.” I don’t think he does it consciously because it’s true that the monarchy and media create an ecosystem, but the context of many comments makes it clear he’s talking about the palace machinery. Which is The Firm.

    • Lizzie Bathory says:

      Very interesting. It does seem to be something that was on his mind constantly–making those connections.

    • Nivz says:

      This makes a lot of sense to me. You explained it well. The veiled (or not quite veiled) hostility towards Meghan could have set off alarm bells, instinctively.

      Does the BRF remind anyone else of the worst aspects of the Vatican plus Mafia? I’m sure it’s been said before.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @LaraW, I think there is a lot to what you wrote. Growing up in that environment there were probably a number of things he saw and heard that he wasn’t suppose to and a way of life where keeping unhealthy secrets is the norm.

  27. Becks1 says:

    It definitely has to be complicated for him, but I do think Meghan talking to him about her suicide plans probably triggered memories of his mother’s death. (I mean he always has the memories, but I think the suicide plans were probably what made him think “I cannot let her end the same way my mother ended.”) Because in the end the cause would be the same, right? Both hounded literally to death by the press? (and yes we can debate the drunk driver/no seatbelt etc, but we really can’t downplay the fact that they were being chased by paparazzi.)

    I also think the refusal of the family to help with the press was probably a huge trigger for him as well.

    ETA Sorry this is in response to @LaraW at #26

    • iconoclast59 says:

      “and yes we can debate the drunk driver/no seatbelt etc, but we really can’t downplay the fact that (Diana and Dodi) were being chased by paparazzi”

      THIS. The hounding by the press triggered a series of bad decisions, with tragic results.

      • Anna says:

        And I also really appreciate that Harry specifically called out that fact that it was when Diana was dating someone who was not white. That part is so important and could get swept under the rug. They not only hated her but they hated that she was with a BIPOC. And also Harry talked about how the hounding and bulbs and being screamed at by paparazzi was *daily*, every single time he and his mother went outside, anytime they went anywhere. The PTSD he is experiencing is real, to be terrorized in that way every single day and then to see it happening to his wife and child. So that gives even more light to how elated he was even to be able to ride his bike with his baby, something he could never do before.

  28. Andrew’s Nemesis says:

    It’s just so sad. It’s just so bloody, bloody sad. They must have so much decompressing and detoxifying to do as a new little family. So inhuman. Just weepworthy.

  29. olliesmom says:

    Holy crap. What an evil and toxic family.

    I’m so glad that Harry and his family escaped.

    Dianna would be so happy for him and so proud.

  30. notasugarhere says:

    ‘They actually thought Harry was expendable for a long time. ‘

    They knew his value, as the only charismatic member of the team. But they thought he was biddable, controllable, a willing scapegoat for useless William for the rest of his life.

  31. NotSoSocialButterfly says:

    She really and truly saved his life… then he saved hers.
    Good god.

    • Brielle says:

      She has his love but she lost so much: security,reputation ,anonymity…she must really really love him

      • Alexandria says:

        It’s easy to love someone. But to do anything not to lose someone, to give up everything to keep someone in your life, that’s a different level.

        Be free and thrive Harry and Meghan, you are loved.

  32. HeyJude says:

    IDK If you’ve all heard the news, but the UK’s racism and current vicious climate of racism does finally have a victim. UK BLM leader Sasha Johnson was shot today after a flood of death threats for her work. She’s in critical condition.

    Harry really was so, so right. The country is toxically racist. And royals bear some responsibility in leading this atmosphere considering what they’ve done with Meghan, Archie, and Diana and Dodi, patterning racism themselves and empowering race baiting tabloids.

    I’m sickened by this news.

    • EliseM says:

      I just read the article. Wow, so very sad. If the RF want to be regarded as superior, then step up and put a stop to racism. Say it out loud, then DO it with action. Its really not that hard.

    • Goofpuff says:

      That’s so awful :( the people of UK has my prayers.

    • iconoclast59 says:

      @HeyJude, thank you for telling us about Sasha Johnson. Horrible. An MP said, “…the culture of gun violence is all-consuming affecting whole communities & neighbourhoods,” which surprised me a bit, because up ’til now I thought that gun laws in the UK are pretty strict and gun violence isn’t a thing like it is here (one of many ways that other countries should NOT be emulating the US). Are there any CBers from the UK who can shed light on this?

      • BlackBrit says:

        @iconoclast59 Thanks for your question. Gun violence in the UK is nothing like the USA (most police officers do not even have guns, for example.) But Britain has a long (centuries long) history of gang violence and clan violence and we see this still today, mainly in certain neighbourhoods, nearly always connected to the drug trade.

        Funnily enough, London isn’t even in the Top 5 most violent cities, Glasgow is number 1. Mostly it’s gangster v gangster, but of course sadly there are always innocent victims. Things got really bad in the 1990s / early 00′s with various drug gang activity (especially near to one notoriously corrupt police station in London, but that’s another story.)

        It is believed that Sasha Johnson was an innocent bystander during a shot out outside a party.

        Most legal gun owners are country dwelling hunters, farmers that kind of thing. True story – a (very posh, his mother was friends with Prince Phillip) male mate of mine was visited by the police one night as he had been a passenger in a car that was pulled over as the police thought the driver was a bit drunk. They weren’t charged with anything – he was just under the limit – but even being in the same car with someone driving funny was enough for them to check in on him the next day. Just to let him know they had their eye on him – gun ownership is a responsibility, not a divine right.

    • Laugh or Cry says:

      Yes, I’ve heard about that, so tragic for her and her children. I immediately thought of Meghan and pray she doesn’t go back due to the risk. I cannot speak on the gun laws but the message boards mentioned how they are catching people smuggling it into the country. Regardless of country, stay safe all.

  33. ennie says:

    I’d have to do a more in-depth analysis of their travels overseas. Harry was working in the army for practically 10 years, while Willy was studying very hard and looking for a suitable girlfriend. The poor sausage.

    It would be interesting to see their travels differences, remember how Harry was just the spare.
    Many of Harry’s trips would also be unofficial, since he was setting up Sentebale and Invictus, which do not belong to the crown.

  34. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    I feel extremely privileged they chose America with all its own crap going on. What a 100% slap in the face to those they left behind. He’s the king as far as I’m concerned, and Meghan…total queen. Archie is a lucky boy.

  35. Meg says:

    “Do you still feel controlled by them?”
    “No, they’re desperately trying to control the narrative, because they know that if they lose it then the truth will come out.”
    Anyone who has stepped away from toxic people can relate to this, the smear campaign. You don’t need to be famous or written about in magazines to experience this.

    “Making this move was really scary. It’s incredibly sad but I have no regrets. I’m now more comfortable in my own skin. I don’t get panic attacks,” he reveals.
    So many of these clips really feel like looking in a mirror for me estranged from my own relatives

  36. Sarcasm101 says:

    This is getting so out of control it’s mind boggling. If any of this is even true.

    • ennie says:

      I do think the courtiers lost the plot. They have too much power. The “ruling” family lets them lead because both of them are interested in keeping the status quo, as they both benefit from them.

    • Nivz says:

      Sorry, if what is even true?

    • Legalese says:

      What??? As we have unfortunately seen, he has a lot to lose by telling his story but not much to gain. There is zero incentive for him to lie. He’s clearly motivated by his desire to speak the truth.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      What truth are you questioning Sarcasm101?

    • Kkat says:

      So are you saying Harry is lying? That he is making this all up??

  37. Dierski says:

    Still just so happy they both got out. Keep on living, keep on loving, keep on talking, keep on shining light into those dark corners of that family. Go Harry!!

  38. SusanRagain says:

    OK, I am just gonna say that I hope Harry & his little family are safe and happy.
    I am starting to worry that if he doesn’t lay low for a bit, The Firm will pull something dirty possibly dangerous.
    Look how many people are on the payroll!

    I know H&M are wanting to do their own work for causes they believe in but, maybe when the new baby is born, take 3-6 months away from interviews, etc.

    The July Diana memorial + new baby is gonna drive the paps nuts, maybe in a dangerous way.

    Personally, I do think Diana was set up in that car accident.
    Harry needs to be very careful.

    • Cherriepie84 says:

      The same thoughts crossed my mind this morning and I recall some reports stating that they plan to take maternity and paternity leave after baby girl is born. I really hope they do take a break though….the BRF is irrelevant without Harry and Meghan news.

  39. Cherriepie84 says:

    I hope Jordan Peele is writing an epic screenplay for a “Get Out” type of movie involving HM’s escape from that cult!

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      Don’t know if Jordan Peele is writing anything, but Lifetime is working on Harry and Meghan: Escaping the Palace.

      Harry & Meghan’s situation parallels Diana’s in so many ways. It’s probably why William’s statement focused on “false narrative” and “paranoia” and Harry’s seemed more focused on the tactics that were used and his Mom being ‘unquestionably truthful’. Reading the transcript through it’s obvious why the Firm wants to discredit the content. It supports Harry & Meghan’s version of so many things.. Though it was said to William, Diana made a comment about how if you find someone you love and someone that loves you..protect it. I’m paraphrasing a bit. Reading the interview is different than hearing it. It really resides seeing the words. Which is probably why the Queen/Firm found it problematic.
      Memories can weaken but the words live on. 2 pages if you decide to read-look for the next at the bottom of the 1st page.

  40. Lizzie says:

    What happened to the good old days when if the evil family wanted to get rid of someone they just paid them off? Much more civilized than a campaign to drive one to suicide. Not that it would have worked but geez.
    Diana attempted suicide once, Bill may have overdosed and Meghan was thinking about suicide. What’s the use of being a royal when all you are is a puppet for the courtiers? Harry said family told him just play along and you’ll be happier. Yeah, lots of self medicating must be going on.

  41. Jen says:

    Really? Diana died because a drunk driver was speeding in a tunnel. The royal family did not kill her and quite frankly they would have had a much easier go of it if she hadn’t died. She would have moved on as would every one else, except the tabs and social media 😉, but her death ensured deification and a constant pr problem for the royals. This is some pretty crazy conjecture and quite frankly does no one, least of all Harry to think this.

    • NCWoman says:

      No one disputes that, least of all Harry. The issue is that the royal family worked with the media–just like they still work with the media–to set the conditions for this type of horrific outcome to occur. That’s neither crazy nor conjecture. Stop gaslighting.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @Jen, are you then saying that the English paparazzi, known for having a relationship with the Royal family, chasing after Diana that night weren’t complicit to the conditions that attributed to the crash? The jury decided otherwise. Unfortunately, the French photographers/paparazzi got away with it. This isn’t something Harry thinks. This is something he knows and lived with.
      I’m sure Diana would have preferred living over being a deity or a pr problem for the royal family. That would be their problem, not her’s.

  42. Jen says:

    @Agreatreckoning – while the paps and tabloid media (along with social media today) are out of control they sadly have an audience- ppl like us who consume and comment on tabloid type content. I abhor the tactics of the media like chasing Diana or filming her as she lie dying or sending drones to capture photos of Archie. This is wrong and we need to boycott reading or viewing this content to starve the creators of it and stamp it out. So you could say in a way the ppl who consume this content and create the hysteria around public figures like the royals are complicit in Diana’s death because they were the audience for the sharks that take the photos. They help create the feeding frenzy. But to say the royals killed her because they tried to manipulate the media is a stretch. Diana manipulated the media too. All celebrities do. I just think it is important to be factual otherwise Marjorie Greene like smears and conspiracies take ahold of ppl and they are damaging and fuel endless speculation and blame.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      Thank you for your considerate reply. True that if there wasn’t a demand for the content the supply would be less and at a much lower price. Being factual does carry more weight-though I admit there are theories/speculations I have on a number of things. Harry has basis for his word/thoughts, whether that’s from Meghan’s suicidal thoughts, fears of her being chased down by paparazzi or death by a thousand cuts by the tabs/inner workings of the BRF or all of these. His fears of history repeating itself are from seeing the same pattern he lived through with Diana and in the end knew they had to leave.

      Dodi’s father was a bit extreme with all his theories. He had them almost engaged, with child and murdered after only being together for 4-6 weeks?-am probably missing some other ones.