The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge can’t really decide if they’re happy or engorged with rage about Meghan and Harry’s exit from Salt Island. They swing wildly between the two emotions on a daily basis. One thing is a constant: they are definitely jealous of the Sussexes, and the Cambridges are constantly watching what “the other couple” does and does not do. According to the Daily Mail, palace courtiers were blindsided by the Sussexes’ birth announcement for Lili Diana Mountbatten-Windsor. I believe that it was the same for Kensington Palace: they had no idea that Meghan had given birth, and they didn’t know that her baby’s name would be Lilibet Diana. Hours after H&M made their announcement on Archewell, Kensington Palace finally got around to posting something on their social media:
We are all delighted by the happy news of the arrival of baby Lili.
Congratulations to Harry, Meghan and Archie.
— The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge (@KensingtonRoyal) June 6, 2021
It was tweeted from someone’s iPhone! What a Sunday vibe. God knows where William and Kate actually were – I suspect she was at Anmer Hall with the kids and William was knee-deep in a rose bush. So some intern was tasked with tweeting that, which might explain the effusive language.
Us Weekly’s source claims that William and Kate were “informed about the birth and have sent Lilibet a gift.” That gift is going to be postmarked June 7th and it’s just going to be a package full of buttons and Charlotte’s old onesies, whatever Kate could grab last minute.
Meanwhile, here’s the message from Clarence House. Weirdly, this one seems the coldest towards H&M. Like, is Charles seething? Possibly. I *completely* believe that Harry did not inform his father of the birth and that Charles learned about it with everyone else.
Congratulations to Harry, Meghan and Archie on the arrival of baby Lilibet Diana 🎊
Wishing them all well at this special time. pic.twitter.com/ucJZIm2kqH
— The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall (@ClarenceHouse) June 6, 2021
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, WENN, Backgrid.
I think it is really cute that Charlotte and Lilli share a middle name.
I think we can expect another timely round of “Kate is feeling broody” articles over the week and Middleton HQ will be keen to remind everyone that Charlotte is the spitting image of the Queen and is Granny Diana’s first namesake. You know Carole is already making some calls.
Yup. In 3,2,1 like clockwork. But first will be the comparisons to the queen (how regal she is and damn, can Joffrey just let her have another baby already), how she is much loved like Diana and how she will make a great queen. Camel Toe will off course lead the cacophony of articles.
The stans are freaking out that H and M STOLE Charlotte’s name! I’ve read that hundredsof times . Insanity
A few posters said yesterday and today (and I agree with this) that they purposely chose Lilibet and not Elizabeth to emphasize the connection to the woman/grandmother, not the Crown/monarch. And I do think that was a huge part of it – but I also wonder if they took Elizabeth off the table completely because they didn’t want her to be Elizabeth Diana?
I find it hilarious they are freaking out – it is expected that the females will most likely have Elizabeth in their long list of names. It’s customary.
@Becks1, that is very insightful and thanks for posting. I think they may have a point with that observation.
Remember when they tried to claim that george’s name was ‘archie’ and Meghan stole it? It’s funny cos I always thought George was called George.
At least in regards to the Elizabeth part, Isla Phillips had it first and Leah Tindall after Charlotte but now, when it’s not even Elizabeth, they’re all pissy? I also posted on the other thread that some have ‘helpfully’ suggested that rather than Diana, like Charlotte, they could’ve gone with Diana’s middle name Frances. The super monarchist Facebook groups I’m on were silent when I posted Frances came from Diana’s American great grandmother Frances Work. She was treated so badly by her British in laws she fled back to America. Oh, yes, that would be better all right.
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I think that story was straight from the Cambridges that George started calling himself or wanting to be called Archie. Just a way to leak and preempt the naming. Petty, salty dummies.
This will not be known in US or probably in some of UK but there is a famous phrase in UK if someone is being a bit cocky that they are told “Think you’re Archie, do you?”
It’s quite likely that if George was being a bit cocky in the days before his little cousin was born, that someone would use that phrase to him. Nothing to do with little Archie but a British phrase.
Carolind, I agree; it’s an old-fashioned saying, but one they’d use…and there’s NO WAY that H&M would have told those salties what they were going to name their baby…not a chance did Will & Kate know…
Literally half the Rf females if not more have Elizabeth.
I am laughing at this ,cause not one member of the queen family , go back as far as one can, not one named their child,grandchild Lilibet. don’t think any of the family members thought Lilibet could be made into a real name. all the royal females fail to use it for their daughters. i do like the combination of Lili Diana or Lili Di. Catherine added Diana as a 3rd name for charlotte. but they was never going to call their daughter Diana. guess Harry /Meghan thought a few girls already have Elizabeth in their names. so lets ask the queen if we can use lilibet.lmao and the queen said yes.
@Courtney B, i didn’t think about that . after all this slimming down thingy Charles is doing , i guess the only people to attend the yearly summer and christmas family gathering will be Charles and William and their wives ,grandchildren, maybe Camilla children and grand children will also attend. most went to these gatherings to see the queen. doubt anyone else will make time to go to these summer and christmas gathering after charles becomes king.
william must be furious that Harry daughter will be called Lili Diana. i notice many are already writing her name as Lili Diana . charlotte was never called Diana in public.,
Seraphina says:
June 7, 2021 at 9:17 am
I find it hilarious they are freaking out – it is expected that the females will most likely have Elizabeth in their long list of names. It’s customary.
@Becks1, that is very insightful and thanks for posting. I think they may have a point with that observation.
Did the Keens ever get around to congratulating Eugenie on the birth of her son?
Maybe with all the keen YouTubing, they forgot and accidentally left that congratulations tweet in the drafts? Princess Eugenie however did give a shoutout to her “dear cousins” to congratulate them on baby Lili on her IG stories. No wonder the press singled her out as being “cut off” by Charles. She’s the only one who shows any fondness for Harry and Meghan.
Honestly, i don’t think the rest of that family likes the Cambridges that much. And especially not the york sisters.
I agree with @cecilia I don’t think the family likes the Cambridges that much but they are scared of them. They know that Joffrey the petty can’t wait to start controlling the funds and favours.
@elizabeth Regina This is where Charles did them a favor by making it clear they would not be working royals. They have jobs and husbands with jobs and will no doubt inherit from their grandmother. Plus Eugenie only needs Harry’s permission and she can live at frogmore the rest of her life if she wants. William will literally have no say over any part of their lives including financial the way he would’ve if they were working royals. I doubt in years to come we’ll see the big family get togethers at Christmas and balcony appearances the way we do now. Charles seems close to Zara and that’s it. And William was close to the Phillips cousins but that doesn’t seem as strong as it was.
It is so obvious that the rest of the family have little time for the Cambridges, a few suck up to them a bit only because they know that William will be boss one day, and will definitely be a difficult one.
Hmmm. Wasn’t William trying to recruit Zara to be an active participant in the New Firm? I wonder how that went.
Zara uses that royal connection to get all kinds of endorsement deals such as landrover and some pram company among others. She manages to do these things more low-key than Peter. I don’t think she would take the income cut and the scrutiny to be a “working” royal.
I think she managed to persuade the Sussexes to use one of the prams she promotes.
Why do I think that Kate’s head may have exploded when she heard Lili’s full name? I just love the passive aggressive statement here not even calling the baby by her full name.
Really? “Lilibet” had been predicted in many circles, and “Diana” was basically certain.
Because it’s so similar to Charlotte’s full name? I get that this is a family that chooses from the same ten names over and over, and it’s tough when multiple people who have the same moms and grandmoms want to honor their moms and grandmoms in their children’s names. I don’t care for the name Lilibet itself, but I think Lili will be a cute nickname and overall it feels like a nice “compromise” when the full “Elizabeth Diana” was already “taken” by the Cambridges. [Sorry for all the quotation marks- I don’t think it’s a problem for cousins to have similar names when their last names are different, but I can see why some people don’t like that.]
There are two Deborah cousins in my family – one my cousin, one my sister. Nobody had a problem with it. (My sister is the younger one, and my mom and aunt were extremely close until their deaths – 10 days apart.)
It happens in families all the time. My brother and two of my cousins named their sons after my Dad. None of them have the same last name, they were born over a span of about 8 years and live in three different states. And my Dad had been named after his grandfather (also with a different last name). When I was pregnant, I made it very clear to my father that, as much as I loved him, I was not going to name a son after him. There were already too many Timothys in the family tree.
If they were close and spent a lot of time together, I might think it was weird that M&H basically used the same names, but they don’t so it’s just not a big deal.
@FancyPants, you must not be Italian-American. My father’s family recycles names like crazy. Tony, Celeste, Carmella, Lucia, Nick, Michael — there are multiples of each. Just like in My Big Fat Greek Wedding — “Anita, Diane, and Nick…Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick…Nicky…and I’m Gus”!
I have cousins who were born on the same day and given the same name. Somehow we are all coping fine 40 years later…
I think as a threshold matter sharing names isn’t that big a deal in the royals – heck George’s name is G Alexander Louis, and they named his younger brother Louis – and there are certainly many many girls named Elizabeth as at least one of their names. but I can see Kate being ticked at this name, lol.
My Kate comment was more in reference to that Kate would be thinking, “Why didn’t I think of that first?!?” like many have done here in the past. Just making a Kate joke. I have no issue with the name.
On my mother’s side all the men have the same names, basically: William, Henry, John, and Benjamin. In each generation or branch there is one outlier (“Tim,” “Emmanuel,” “Comer”), but otherwise it’s lather, rinse, repeat. And as far as the women, “Elizabeth,” “Katherine” and “Margaret” are all perennial favorites. My mother and sister are both Elizabeth, though both have different nicknames.
Earl Spencer named his youngest daughter Charlotte Diana, several years before W&K named their daughter Charlotte Elizabeth Diana. These names are used and reused all the time.
I understand Charlotte is called “Lottie” around home.
Lottie and Lili….
Damn, sorry Charlotte, but I think Lilibet won in the nickname department!!
Choosing the name Lilibet also points to greater intimacy and closeness between the Sussexes and the queen at least at a PR/outward appearance level, whether true or not, then the name Elizabeth used by the Cambridges.
Meghan was literally suicidal at one point (not to mention all the other instances of awfulness), and nothing was done. Wouldn’t that have been the time to call on intimacy and closeness?
I’m just not able to figure out how these two things (private intimacy/closeness and cold indifference to the point of neglect) compute.
No comment on the comparison to the Cambridges. I wish there were less of that.
Emily, in a toxic or abusive family, which I would say the Windsors have been, it’s typical to feel both love and pain. It’s extremely tough to completely cut off even a hurtful family. I say this coming from a family where I was abused in childhood. We can understand what they did was wrong and still feel natural affection and want the family to be as whole as possible. It’s sad but it’s not uncommon. Harry is a very warm, affectionate person. I’m sure he has love for his grandmother even being aware of her shortcomings and the environment she both perpetuated and suffered from.
The blindsided argument is so boring at this point. It’s up there with the privacy nonsense. The courtiers and leakers are just pissed they couldn’t get a payday by leaking to the tabloids and the tabloids have been wrong again. No pictures, no leaks, nothing. This is what they didn’t want but maybe they should’ve thought of that before they ran them off. The tabloids are big MAD 😂
Im also starting to think that “the family was blindsided” really means “the tabloids are blindsided”. Tho to be honest, I honestly don’t think harry informed the egg and his father of the birth until moments before they released their own announcement
The tabloids are so blindsided its hilarious. Angela Levin had a whole thing yesterday about how Meghan had “told” people she was due on Philip’s bday (the 11th? I think?) and that it was going to be a scheduled c-section so that’s how she knew the date.
Fast forward a few hours……whoops. lol.
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This too. Also the Tabloids use the Queen to hide behind. The tabloids need money shots, leaks and interest again and they’ve been frozen out and they keep wanting and hoping for the Sussexes to return, which is why they’re obsessed with this Diana statue and the jubilee. Harry and Meghan are the star attraction.
And really, who uses “blindsided” to describe news of a birth? No one in an actual family.
@Merricat – quite – or who understands basic biology and knows how long human gestation is….
@becks
I’m absolutely convinced that they were fed bad information to throw them off.
Can I also just add, “blindsided” means something out of nowhere. Like, blindsided with a divorce. Or blindsided with a sudden adoption. But everyone has know for months she’s having a daughter, due early summer. It was literally a matter of days.
It’s as if the show “I Didn’t Know I Was Pregnant” had a very limited spinoff: “I Didn’t Pay Much Attention When I Was Told Harry’s American Actress Wife Was Pregnant.”
lol 🙂 Coco, that gave me a good and real laugh out loud 🙂
Eh…I met my brother in law for the FIRST TIME at my sisters rehearsal dinner (for a wedding in which I was a bridesmaid and a sister who I don’t have any particular beef with) so this isn’t that surprising to me. More surprised that the new comms team wasn’t prepared with cheesy photos showing how “extra ultra keen” KateGuevara is to have a another girl in the fam.
They all have to use old pictures.
They will be celebrating archies 21st birthday with his christening pic.
The Cambridges better have sent a belated birthday gift to Archie.
I think all of their statements are generic which is what I expected tbh. I wasn’t expecting anything else other than what they put out.
I think Eugenie’s was heartfelt and, thus, really stands out amongst the rest of the family online statements.
Me too Sofia – they checked the box on putting out their congrats statements, and they are exactly as bland as expected.
What stood out to me was that the Cambridges did not include the full name, and the other royal houses did. Now this could either mean they are trying to seem more personal, and using Lili right off the bat, or they don’t want to have remind people that the baby is named Lilibet Diana.
Also what stood out to me – we all said after Archie was born and in the lead up to this that they would not use a royal name. I went back and looked at some of the name-guessing posts on here – I suggested Ella at one point and got jumped on bc of the Kent’s daughter Gabriella, lots of us suggested Alice at various points and were told that was too royal, etc. And that argument seemed to work in face of Archie’s non-royal name.
But this makes it clear they have no issues naming a child after some royals. They just did not want to name their child after any of the male royals (ahem Charles.)
Yep. A reporter said yesterday that the fact that they decided to name their baby after the queen means that there will likely be a reconciliation. I think she completely forgot that the problem was never with the queen. A better indication for the state of relationships between the sussexes and the RF is the fact that archie wasn’t named after anyone….
I was thinking about this too and I actually like that the Cambridges used “Lili” – it’s more personal. I think BP and Charles needed to use Lilibet Diana because people would have looked askance at them erasing Diana from the name. Whereas there’s no risk of that for William; it won’t be taken as a snub from him.
I agree with your comment Tweetime. And that is why I think someone other than Wills/Kate posted.
I think there are two possible options for that tweet. It’s either David Watkins, who used to work for Harry and Meghan or the new comms secretary.
In their personal note on Archewell, H&M refer to “our daughter, Lili”. Someone probably noticed that.
Agree, W&K deliberately did not want to use her full name in their post. That was a choice.
As we discussed yesterday, they went with the family name of Lilibet not Elizabeth. For Diana? The choice was Diana or Frances, if that’s what they wanted, and Diana hated her mother Frances.
I posted elsewhere the history of Frances. Diana’s great grandmother was the American Dollar Princess Frances Work. She was treated so badly by her British in laws she returned to the US and divorced her husband. And got custody of her kids on the grounds of her husband’s desertion. Not exactly what you want people to be writing about right now.
The dull grey Cambridges are definitely put out, once again the Sussexes appear to be one step ahead and always full of surprises.
To be honest i wouldn’t be surprised if charles is kind of upset with harry.
Harry won’t even talk about william but he has absolutely no issue with talking about how his father has disappointed him. I imagine that’s quite painful for charles as he has spend the last 20+ years carefully rehabilitating his image.
That’s sarcasm, right?
@sure nope its not sarcasm. I 100% believe charles is upset with harry because harry telling the truth gave charles’s image another blow.
I always think of Charles as a hamster now— constantly spinning in his little wheel to rehabilitate his image.
Charles should care less about “image” and more about reality.
He wouldn’t know reality if it wore a nametag and bit him on the ass.
I think Harry is more angry with Charles, because he is the one in charge, he knows Cain is jealous, but I guess he expected more from his jealous, lying, cheating father, why I don’t know.
I can see this — the chance of reconciliation may be less likely with his brother, but he is angrier/more disappointed with his father because a) even though Charles will Charles, that’s his father and his father should’ve been the one person unconditionally in his corner and b) he’s BEEN knowing who William is and how he operates. As pathetic as it is, Will and Kate’s actions have likely not been surprising.
I don’t think so the fact that Harry is more comfortable talking about Charles means for me he processed the betrayal already. And the things he’s saying are not really new it’s just the details that are new. We know Charles hasn’t been a good husband and he wasn’t the best father either.
For William I think he’s still so angry he described the relationship as space.
I think Harry is more angry and hurt at Charles because when Harry looks at Archie (and now Lili), he knows he would move heaven and earth for them, he would do anything to protect them and he cannot understand why Charles as a father wouldn’t do the same thing for him.
He’s charged William to the game.
Harry will eventually charge Charles to the game, like Meghan has done in the case of her own father.
I think Harry expected Charles to fail him, because Charles has a history of failing him. I think he expected that William would back him up, and that’s why he can’t talk about it, the betrayal runs deeper. But yes, angry at Charles because as his father (and knowing, now, what it feels like to be a father himself), Charles should have loved and protected him, and his wife and child.
I think it’s the other way around. There’s space with William because William led the charge to destroy his wife. There’s nothing there to repair.
The betrayal is deeper with Charles because Charles is his father and as such, should have protected him. Harry looks at his children and knows he would move the sky and the earth for them and can’t understand why Charles won’t do the same for him. Yet Harry still wants a relationship with his dad. If he can’t have a relationship with his dad, he truly has no one (especially after the Queen dies).
At least Meghan still has her mother.
Oh, I agree. I’m sure Charles is upset–because Charles cares more about his image than about his son’s feelings.
Harry made clear in the Oprah interview that he wants to repair the relationship with Charles, that’s what he wants. The relationship with William needs ‘space’, which indicates to me Harry’s done with William unless TOB does a whole lot of work.
Whether or not anyone here likes Charles, Harry wants their relationship repaired.
Well I think that Harry talks more about Charles because he loves his father and had a close relationship with him and believes he is a better person than William. So Harry was particularly wounded when Charles blanked him. Whereas Harry I think lost respect for William years ago and has written him off but still wants a relationship with his father.
Yes. This sounds true to me.
Cecilia, I wonder if Charles understands now that pulling security from his son and his family was not a kind thing to do and it deeply affected their relationship going forward?
I don’t think he thinks too much about that. The person Charles thinks about most is himself, with Camilla being second. He’s upset because Harry revealed that not only was charles a lousy husband to diana, he’s also a shit father that won’t lift a finger for his kids when they truly need him. THAT is what upsets him.
I think that more than anyone, Harry wants a sincere apology from his father. Don’t think he’ll get it tho.
Not holding my breath. Chuck lacks any kind of self-awareness, in his mind he did nothing wrong.
Given what we’ve seen of courtiers and their schemes, not sure I’d blame it all on Charles. If Harry isn’t a working royal, Charles cannot use Duchy or Sovereign Grant funds to pay his security. There are courtiers and boards who control that, and since they’re the ones who wanted Meghan out? That’s the way it works. And Charles has no private wealth to pay it himself, it all went to Diana. He won’t have private wealth again until his mother passes away.
This is something I haven’t heard or considered. Interesting!
In that case, one asks why Queen Elizabeth, whose *personal* wealth is $500 million according to Forbes, couldn’t help out? Security for Harry and family would be a drop in the bucket.
She could have. It seems she chose not to. And I’m really tired of it all being blamed on conveniently faceless courtiers (I’m sure they’re awful, of course) to spare the old rich white people and keep them looking innocent. Charles and Elizabeth are not innocent, guys.
Didn’t Charles once gave money to Camilla by disguising it using her sister’s interior designer work? The one who used all those blackamoor statues on Camilla’s house so he can find ‘ways’ when he wants to fund things he wants…
@Hannah totally agree with you about the queen and Charles: it’s easier to blame courtiers and I always thought that CEO number one role was to take responsibility and accountability…and those courtiers can be fired like Geidt when Charles and Andrew plotted to get rid of him
He didn’t ‘give’ money to Camilla’s sister. He had the Duchy hire her to do the reno work at Clarence House and Highgrove. Shady, yes, but legal and approved by the Board. The Board wouldn’t approve spending Duchy funds for the security of someone who lives in the US and isn’t a working royal.
The Queen could choose to spend some of her millions on Harry; she apparently chooses not to. I don’t think she was spreading extra Sovereign Grant money to Andrew either. I suspect he was raking it in via his own shady ways, like selling Sunninghill park to the oligarch, and funneling some to his daughters. Those shady streams have dried up in the last couple years, which may be why Beatrice and Eugenie have less to spend.
$500 million dollars isn’t that much, and the Queen has a lot of children and grandchildren she needs to leave money to. Her money is all tied up, she can’t just give it out how she wants. It is family money, probably put in trusts.
I don’t believe for a nano second that Charles has not been able to amass huuuuuuge personal wealth. If Andrew has been able to… People who move in those circles are Always able to amass personal wealth.
No private wealth? There is always the possibility (albeit admittedly slim in the UK ) of a republic. Do you really think the firm would have NO money to fall back on if that were to happen? Have No!!?? Personal funds?
All of Charles’s personal wealth went to Diana in the divorce. He even had to borrow several million from mummy to meet her demands. RayMill was purchased for Camilla by friends, again because Charles doesn’t have access to private funds. He inherited some of the Greville jewels from Queen Mum, possibly Birkhall too. Both of which he would have had to pay 40 percent inheritance on, again having to borrow money from mummy to do so.
Once the Queen passes, Charles will have access to the private wealth. But for now, nope.
Can I just explain (as a Brit) that the only members of the RF who ever get full time security are the Queen, the Cornwalls and the Cambridges. The other members of the family only get it when they are on official duties. So it was never a case of “pulling security”. Also as they chose to go to live in another country, which is their right, they could hardly expect the UK to pay up.
Harry got full time security as a working royal.
ETA and his point was that he needs security because of his family, which isnt really his fault – so if the RPOs were pulled, he thought that Charles would at least cover security for him while he and Meghan at least figured out where to live. As it happened, Charles pulled that pretty abruptly and Harry was surprised at that.
I don’t think it was the pulling of security. I think it was the lack of advance warning and the timing. As Harry implied, if you need high level security at 11:59 p.m., you need it at 12:00 a.m. as well. Replacement security at that level needs to be in place and functioning BEFORE the existing security is pulled. I really think that was the issue. Seems Harry was told there would be coverage for at least 6 month, perhaps a year and then it was pulled almost immediately with no advance warning. Harry himself says he scrambled to get them protected and Tyler Perry stepped in with his private security, his private plane (that flew them out of Canada), and his privately secured home. How could Charles or any of them not think that even an hour, a day, or a week without security wouldn’t leave Harry and his family vulnerable. He has a bounty on his head for his military service alone.
Charles was an ass of a husband and continues to prove that he is an ass of a father. It has always been and always will be all about Charles.
I thought Harry had full time security?ok,I didn’t think that Harry only had security while on duty
@Brielle – he did have full time security.
It was announced a few years ago that Sophie and Edward would only have security when they were doing a work function (but I’m sure there is security on their estate that isn’t coming out of their pocket) but if that was true for Andrew then losing his security post interview wouldn’t have been a big deal bc he only had it when he was working. But we know the Queen stepped in to pick up his security tab.
So brits don’t know for who they are paying securityfor?…Why did that poster said that?and you’re right about Harry and security,I saw once paparazzi photos when he was going to the gym,and he had security with him
Not exactly true. Anne’s entire private estate is secured with taxpayer funds, as are Sandringham and Balmoral. Sophie has had full-time security in the past when she’s out shopping, we’ve seen the photos of her yelling at her RPO in public. Yes, Becks1, the security for Bagshot Park (Crown Estate property) would not be paid privately by Edward and Sophie.
I love the name. I also love the nicknames that have been going around. Lil’ Bet is my favorite. It’s such a different vibe than the rest of the royal children’s names. In a sea of Elizabeths here comes Lil’ Di in the mix.The name literally makes me smile.
Lil’ Lady Montecito is what I call her in my head.
I like that except for one letter, Kaiser, CB & crew were calling her by her name from the jump. I keep thinking of her as “Lili Montecito” now!
The Cambridge’s social media director might be a normal human who can’t conjure up unhinged rage about the birth of a baby. Also, it’s some good tough love for Charles if he heard about Lili’s arrival when everyone else did.
Wow, such a heartfelt and warm, if not over emotional, message from Harry’s father to his son and daughter-in-law.
So warm and fuzzy, I had to put on a winter coat just to read it.
The comments sections on the BRF social media are filled with some of the most abusive and disgusting comments. Until the BRF address the comments on their social media, I’m side eyeing the claims about olive branches.
Clarence House managed to turn off comments to prevent anything nasty said about Camilla so they could certainly do the same now. The Cambridges have to leave comments on so their followers can say how wonderful they are to acknowledge the birth of their niece.
I’m sure the Cambridges *are* delighted since now that Harry and Meghan are overseas they no longer have to worry about the optics of not visiting or taking their children to meet the mixed-race cousin until it got publicly awkward, like with Archie.
LOL @ Charles “Wishing them all well”. Good God.
I am just waiting for a cold sarcastic comment from William next time he is out when someone asks him about his new niece. I wonder if he will be as uncaring as his comments were when he was first asked publicly about Archie, when he pointed out that Archie was NOT his first nephew, when in fact Archie IS his first blood nephew. Typical William who never has a kind word for anything to do with Harry.
Wtaf is wrong with people, even commenters here, half the Rf have Elizabeth in their names! Diana is in Charlotte’s name who is not known as Charlotte Elizabeth Diana or whatever but just Charlotte. Penis with teeth doesn’t freaking own Diana and they clearly asked to use lilibet. Oh Charlotte’s name was STOLEN no it wasn’t! Who knew Charlotte’s middle names till now. Tell that to every other Elizabeth and Diana. Diana was Harry’s mum too.
People are weird about ‘owning’ names. I don’t understand why. If your baby needs a special name to be special, you’re doing it wrong. I personally dgaf about peopl having the same names in a family or otherwise. Especially if it’s to honor someone important to both families it just makes sense.
I agree, it’s weird. I have a college friend who has two sisters. Her mother had one sibling, a younger sister, and said sister (my friend’s aunt) named two of her three daughters the same names as two of their cousins, my friend’s sisters. For some reason my friend was a little salty about this. She thought her aunt should have found other names. Why? Why should the older sibling get to “own” certain names just because he/she had kids first? Elizabeth and Diana are grandmother and mother to both William AND Harry, and Harry has every right to use their names. No one is going to get the kids mixed up, for God’s sake.
Zara and Eugenie both used Philip as a second name for their babies and no big deal was made of it. James also has Philip in his name. George has Louis as one of his names and then it’s his brother’s name. George has Alexander as his second name which is also James’ second name. It’s the usual outrage at anything H&M do.
Zara, Beatrice and Louise Wessex, Isla Phillips (the first of that generation) and Leah Tindall as well as Charlotte have Elizabeth. Every single one of the Queen’s children grandchildren has named a daughter after her. But Harry doesn’t even choose Elizabeth and the sky is falling.
I think in honor of Father’s Day and the working and personal relationship that Harry has with Oprah, she should put Harry and his two children on the cover of her magazine, you know, the first picture of baby to ever be seen. Yup Ford Fiesta and the rest of the dusty saltines won’t ever get over that. Lololololol
This might be my social media brain in place, but I give a thumbs up to the Cornwall message (emojis and using the nickname) and a thumbs down to the Cambridge message (all periods, no excitement).
Do the royals think that exclamation points are undignified?
All I can think of is the infamous Saved by the Bell moment when Jessie Spano freaks out, except it’s Kate yell-singing, “I’m so delighted! I’m so delighted! I’m so…scared!”
I said to Kaiser yesterday I thought it was the first time the Cambridges have said Archie’s name. I can’t recall a time since he was born that they’ve mentioned him. That’s why I doubt they wrote the tweet. That’s the PR gurus at work. As for Charles’ tweet, it was fine. If their are boundaries placed between them, that’s fine. Charles did betray Harry’s trust. He hurt him & H&M aren’t ready to forgive.
Can’t agree here. Harry’s not an idiot. He saw the opportunity here and totally let everyone back home know when the baby was born. I’m sure he even got his grandmother’s ok for using something as personal as her nickname. And he enlisted everyone in silence, a sign of trust and a step to reconciliation. I think it’s the viper courtiers and the rabid press who were all blindsided. Well done, Harry.
Tooth fairy 🧚.
➕💯🧚🏻 – sounds like a pipe dream to me.
Hah — you were right. Reports say H&M let grannie know of the birth right away, and that H asked for permission to use the name. Betty didn’t leak lol
As I said earlier uppost, the Cambridges tweet was most likely done by Harry and Meghan’s ex social media guy or the new Press secretary. William and Kate has never uttered Meghan or Archie’s name so it was definitely not them writing that tweet. As for Charles it’s clear that he has no relationship with Harry at the moment. His tweet congratulating Eugenie was warmer than the one yesterday.
The Cambridges Instagram used the maternity photo shot by Misa Harriman of Harry and Meghan with Meghan holding Archie as the photo for the congratulations post of baby Lili which I was surprised to see because I didn’t realize they could repost photos not “approved” by the palace? It’s the first time a royal social media platform has used a recent picture of the Sussexes in a really long time. Every time they do use a photo of Archie or the Sussexes, it’s usually from their wedding, Archie’s presentation to the media photocall, or his baptism.
It’d be funny if W&K were called out for it, for posting a copywritten photo without permission.
Every time Charles and Camilla see or hear the name Diana , it opens the wound of their spectacularly disgraceful behavior towards her. This New birth announcement just served as a reminder of their adulterous past. Whenever they think they have put the past behind them, her memory persists in her 2 granddaughters names. The Cornwall post was formal and written by others imo.
Diana buried the hatchet with Charles and Camilla before she died. If she hadn’t have died in 1996? We would have seen Charles and Camilla marry long before 2005.
I think it was a sweet thing to say toward growing family.
Have a happy life Lili!
It hit so close to home when @Kaiser said the gift is “buttons and some old onesies of Charlotte’s” as I have SIL’s who are exactly that way and have totally regifted used things to my sons.
I am sure the whole RF are delighted that everything went well and the baby and mother are well. Because we know who would be blaming them if anything had gone wrong.
I hope they aren’t only delighted so that they aren’t “blamed”.
And it would have been fair to blame the firm if anything had happened. After all the clumsy bullying& Saudi earrings were leaked by those connected with KP which I’m sure wasn’t helpful for Meghan having miscarried last year. Then on top of that a palace source trying to aid the Mail by claiming that Jason Knauf had helped with Meghan’s letter & Jason failing to clear up that up until the 12th hour also dragged out Meghan’s case. litigation is stressful at the best of times let alone when you are pregnant
I am still laughing from this morning over this headline! Thanks😂
How could anyone be blindsided ever when a heavily pregnant woman gives birth? They should have expected her to give birth, like I did. Those royal morons are probably blindsided when the sun rises every morning. “Who knew?”
Yes, this!!!!
It’s truly not a surprise!
The names for members of the RF certainly used to have to be approved by the Queen – the ones near the throne at any rate. Lady Louise Windsor originally did not have Elizabeth in her name but the Queen queried this with Edward and Sophie. The name was not to be after her but after the Queen Mother who was not long dead.
Diana was a given in Lili’s name but Lilibet, the pet name of the Queen? I am amazed, after what Harry said about the upbringing of his father only weeks ago. Mixed messages. This will not be popular on this site but I hope Harry had his grandmother’s permission to use her baby name.
Apparently she was informed in advance & was delighted. Even if she wasn’t she doesn’t own the name..
And as for Harry’s comments on Charles he talked about NOT placing blame, not agreeing with his dad saying things were like that for him & will be like that for Will & Harry & trying to make things better for the next generation. Not exactly a news flash that a new-ish parent might have a different approach from their parents, or that a royal in a famously dysfunctional family (as described in Charles’ authorised bio) has views on his upbringing.
I can’t see what is so bad about that or what comments on Charles have to do with Lili’s name
She does own Lilibet. It is unique to her. It was her own version of Elizabeth and why are you so definite Harry did have permission? I am inclined to think he discussed it with her beforehand but only my own take.
LOL. Lilibet is not unique to Liz Windsor. It did not start with her, she does not own it.
Origin:British
Meaning:oath of God; God is satisfaction
Lillibet as a girl’s name has Hebrew and English origins. The meaning of Lillas is “oath of God; God is satisfaction”. Is related to the names Elishiba and Elizabeth.
I stand corrected! The little girl would not be getting called Lilibet though if it wasn’t after the Queen?
What are you on about? First you claim the name belongs to Liz Windsor and no one else. Now you’re having a problem with *this grandchild* being named in some way for her grandmother, when there are loads more granddaughters who also have Elizabeth in their names. Your ‘reason’ is obvious.
It’s so weird this name thing. It’s not a trademark and they chose that name fir deeply personal reasons. My husband has 3 brothers. They all have the same middle name. So many cousins share middle names and that’s is not that unusual. Also, didn’t both Eugenie and Zara name their kids Philip for middle names? While there are a gazillion Elizabeth’s in that family, there is only one baby Lilibet. The Sussexes gave their child her own unique name. She may be named for the monarch, but it’s a unique combination, and they know the power associated with it.
Why do some people here not get that all royal children’s names must be approved by the queen before they can be named? Can we all stop with the bullsh*t drama now? They’ve had their kid, the Queen knows and she’s fine with it, they’re living their best lives away from all the toxicity. Leave them the f*ck alone 🙄
I don’t know why, but I thought I saw “PA” as the signature to the congratulations post from Clarence House and took that as the warm feelings that Charles was trying to convey. When it wasn’t mentioned in this article, I went back to the actual tweet and was surprised that it really wasn’t there. (I know I shouldn’t be)
I agree with all comments that Eugenie’s is the most personable and that W&K’s was surprisingly warm which probably means it came from an employee.
Wow they had their baby. Bits of Harry and bits of Meghan it’s going to be really beautiful.