The story of Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew is one of rape, human trafficking, money laundering, blackmail, lies, money and power. All of that is incredibly serious and worthy of serious discussion. But I have legitimately chuckled a few times this week at how bad the palace communications offices are at all of this. There’s been a frenzy of competing and contradictory stories coming out of Buckingham Palace, Clarence House and Kensington Palace.
One of the dumbest complaints from Prince Charles’ camp – and from the British media – is that Prince Andrew has not issued any statements about Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s lawsuit. Jan Moir at the DM wrote a whole-ass column about Andrew’s silence, and Charles keeps attacking Andrew in the press for not issuing a statement. Like, does anyone over there realize that Andrew can’t say anything because he incriminates himself constantly? Who needs to hear from Andrew? Do we need another version of the “pizza in Woking” story? Just let him sit there in f–king silence. The Daily Mail has yet another comprehensive piece about Andrew’s silence, his legal defense and more. Some highlights:
How much money he would have to pay Virginia: Prince Andrew faces a damages bill of up to £14million ($19million) if he loses his bombshell US lawsuit accusing him of rape, American lawyers have claimed as it emerged that a court hearing could still be five years away. Legal hurdles that might delay the case in New York mean that the Queen, 95, could be aged 100 by the time her son went on trial in a civil court, increasing the possibility that Prince Charles could be king by then. The civil lawsuit accuses Andrew – who is thought to be worth £32.5million – of rape in the first degree, sexual battery and sexual abuse – and UK detectives have now begun examining allegations made in the legal papers.
American lawyer Spencer Kuvin speaks: ‘To punish someone worth a billion dollars you have got to hit them in their pockets and punish them accordingly.Damages against Andrew could range in excess of £14million. Easily. There are going to be huge legal hurdles in the federal court before they will be able to even begin the process of litigating. It would not surprise me if it took a minimum five years to appear before a jury and that is if Andrew’s legal team do not get the case dismissed.’ He added that it is likely the controversy surrounding the Duke will ‘continue long after the Queen passes away’ and then Charles will have to ‘decide how to deal with it’.
The Met & Scotland Yard are investigating: Andrew is now facing renewed pressure to break his silence after a dramatic intervention by the UK’s top police officer Dame Cressida Dick who has told Metropolitan Police detectives to review the claims. As Dame Cressida warned ‘no one is above the law’, the new review will be led by one of the force’s most senior officers, Commander Alexis Boon, who has a background in counter-terrorism operations. A Scotland Yard spokesman said: ‘As a matter of procedure, officers are reviewing a document released in August 2021 as part of a US civil action.’
Blindsided!! Sources say that while Andrew is at Balmoral, he is on the phone to his lawyers daily to discuss his next move. The prince and his team were said to be completely ‘blindsided’ by the decision to launch civil proceedings against him. But it seems his UK legal representatives – led by Clare Montgomery QC, known as the ‘doyenne of extradition law’, and solicitor Gary Bloxsome – had not anticipated that Mrs Giuffre, formerly Virginia Roberts, and her lawyer would make good on their threat to seek redress through the civil courts.
No one can believe that he hasn’t issued a statement: There is also widespread incredulity that they have chosen not to make any public statement on such a significant development – even one that simply repeated Andrew’s previous denials of wrongdoing. It has left the royal, in the words of one member of his circle, ‘to be tried in the court of public opinion’. They said: ‘That cannot be a good thing – whatever you might think of him. It is proving reputationally damaging not just to himself, but to the Royal Family.’
Andrew is only listening to his lawyers: A Palace insider said: ‘We are extremely unhappy at the legal strategy of stone-walling. The Duke’s burying his head in the sand. The only person he is talking to is his lawyer Gary Bloxome. We just hope Gary has some magic legal trick up his sleeve as every hour of silence, not even repeating the Duke’s declaration that he is innocent and denying any sexual impropriety, is shredding his reputation. He could at the same time say something to show sympathy for anyone who is a sexual victim. His family despair at the Duke’s reliance on only one source of advice, which could be devastating for him in the long run.’
Charles flew to Scotland yesterday: Prince Charles flew up to Scotland yesterday ahead of crisis talks with Andrew about Miss Roberts’s lawsuit. Both Charles and Prince William have, behind the scenes, been increasingly vocal over their concern about the way the case has been handled by Andrew and his legal team. The York camp, it is felt, are seen as being constantly ‘on the back foot’ and have allowed a hugely toxic situation to drag on for far too long.
Not to defend Andrew, but he absolutely *should* be listening to only his lawyers right now. That’s just sound advice, listen to what the lawyers are saying and do that. I just had a dark premonition that whenever the clown-show courtiers do convince Andrew to release a statement, it will be so bad that it will truly harm his defense and completely end him in the court of public opinion. Perhaps that’s why Charles wants Andrew to make a statement – it will speed up the process and Andrew will be tossed aside that much sooner. It’s kind of amazing to see how Andrew is thoroughly screwed over no matter what his course of action. LOLZ.
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I’m sure he’s happy to sweat this out.
Omg 🤣🤣🤣🤣 comment of the year!!!
Oh and to sweat it out over some pizza 🤣🤣🤣
K. ThIs is brilliant.lol. Thank you
OMG –
Prince Andrew sex abuse damages ‘could come from taxpayer’
The Sovereign Grant – money the royals get from the Government – has funded his lifestyle for decades.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/prince-andrew-sex-abuse-damages-could-come-from-taxpayer-285819/
I asked this on a previous thread – how can a civil court damages award in the US be enforced in the UK?
The US judgment would have to be recognized by a UK court for it to be enforced. There would have to be some sort of application or a motion in a UK court and the judge would review the US pleadings and evidence and decide whether they would approve the amount of damages awarded. A UK court doesn’t have to recognize the US judgement but there would be a lot of weight accorded to the original decision.
If the US judgement and damages are recognized by the UK court then the judgment can be enforced in the Uk as would happen for any other UK decision on damages.
This will go the way the Duke of Windsor’s (the erstwhile King Edward VIII) life went. Although the “official” reason behind his abdication was “to marry the [divorced American] woman I love,” it was *really* because the Duke and Duchess were big buddies with Adolf Hitler, and were colluding with him to make the UK a satellite state of Nazi Germany, with the two of them still as King and Queen Consort. In turn, Hitler promised he wouldn’t bomb/invade the UK and its Commonwealth nations once the war started. When this plan was unearthed, the Duke and Duchess were bundled off posthaste to live in exile in a British territory island in the Caribbean, where they lived under the grace of the UK taxpayers until they kicked off.
Something similar will probably happen to Andrew, although he may be exiled to South America or Africa, or, if the Royal Family pays enough, maybe the nicer parts of the Middle East or Asia. In any event, his days as a functioning royal living high off the hog in the UK are over.
These people never expect the absolute obvious to happen. Heads in the sand. All of them.
And considering how absolute shit the palace PR is, I don’t blame him for only listening to his lawyer right now.
I believe his lawyers knew before the civil action became public knowledge. So, they weren’t blindsided.
Perhaps Andrew wisely chose to not tell anyone else about the developments his lawyers discerned. The future kings were not in the loop and they are upset. Andrew’s lawyers have told him the future kings do not have his best interests in mind.
Definite possibility. Considering how KP and CH like throwing people under the bus, I don’t see any other family members wanting to run shit by them ever again.
However, the future kings have the power to exile him from the UK and the Commonwealth, and not in the manner the Duke and Duchess of Suffolk chose to go (ie voluntarily and of their own volition). Andrew is Queen Elizabeth’s favorite child, and he’ll appeal to her to let him stay in the UK and she’ll try to do so to the best of her ability, but really – her days are winding down. Phillip is dead, and it’s obvious Charles is preparing to ascend the throne while William is prepping to be the Prince of Wales. One thing they don’t need is a useless, money-squandering, selfish, unrepentant and compulsive family member to give credence to the rapidly spreading belief that the Royal Family is a drain on the UK’s tax reserves and is completely obsolete.
Fritanga, your last sentence really hits home, because while you may have intended to describe Andrew, you have provided a perfect description of Chuck and Willy……
“One thing they don’t need is a useless, money-squandering, selfish, unrepentant and compulsive family member to give credence to the rapidly spreading belief that the Royal Family is a drain on the UK’s tax reserves and is completely obsolete.”
Been reading this morning about the BRF’s history of defending paedophiles. Charles’ close friendships with Bishop Peter Ball, Jimmy Saville, his considering Mountbatten a mentor (!), in spite of his ‘alleged’ preference for young boys. The comments on Dlisted were very informative. I had no idea, and it explains why the BRF seems more concerned about how this affects their reputation than that this is wrong.
You know, even if the Mountbatten rumors are false (and to be clear, I think there’s probably something to them), we can look at his actual advice to both Phillip and Charles about who to marry and what to do as a bachelor to see why no one is particularly concerned with Andrew’s predilections. Mountbatten suggested Charles ‘court’ Amanda Knatchbull, Mountbatten’s own granddaughter, when she was…17. He arranged the Phillip/Elizabeth meeting when she was, I think, 13 or 14. He told Charles to marry a young woman so she’d be more compliant.
There’s probably lots of reasons the BRF is protecting Andrew. But one of them, I think, is that for the older generations they -ALL- have done stuff like this.
These people are sickening. I’m glad at least we live at a time when this is coming out in the open.
Mountbatten also took vacations with Amanda in tow along with Prince Charles so nobody would notice they might be an “item”. Plus she was a cousin of Charles since Mountbatten was Philip’s Uncle).When she came of age a letter emerged from Charles to his Great Uncle saying that Amanda was “disturbingly” beautiful. If Mountbatten had not been killed, Amanda might very well have been persuaded by her grandfather to marry Charles. She turned Charles down when Charles proposed to her (ca. 1980).
@Kim:Aristos don’t view Paedophilia as a crime.
Exactamundo.
Courtiers want to be in charge, just like they thought they would review Harry and Meghan’s Netflix and Spotify contracts.
These mystery men in gray may have been good at their jobs back in the day but it seems the positions have been passed down to insiders and the current batch are not up to the job AT ALL. They have botched everything to do with the Sussex for years. They are amateurs who are out of their depth. But then again, I don’t care if Andrew takes bad advice if it gets Virginia a victory.
@Lizzie: The men in Grey were never good at their jobs. They had a press that willingly turned a blind eye to scandals in the family and a very gullible public. Times have changed and they remain in their antiquated ways.
Exactly. There was a time when print was the only game in town and attention was only in the UK. But with the internet, social media and the world’s attention (a world that doesn’t revere the royal family), the game has changed.
Honestly. Who is going to read an Andrew denial statement that restates the same exact denials he’s issued before and go from “that rapist pedophile needs to be held accountable” to “oh, he said he didn’t do it. Okay then, I believe him now. Again.”?
Do the courtiers think that everyone in the world just automatically believes the last thing they heard? So when Andrew did his interview we all believed him, but now because of the civil suit we all believe Virginia, so if Andrew would just say he’s not a sex pest we’ll all believe that again? I mean, it’s so obviously ridiculously stupid, but it DOES seem to be how they operate. They all just sort of make stuff up, say it out loud, and then assume we will all believe it.
Like how the Harry and Meghan story changed from H and M falling out with the family because of the family being racist asshats and then doing the Oprah interview to get their side out bc the family wouldn’t stop smearing them to the family falling out with H and M because H and M smeared them in the Oprah interview. Or how they try to tell us that Harry AND Meghan have given “multiple” bombshell interviews in recent months. Or how Kate is a lazy work shy spendthrift, to Kate loves Meghan and is showing her the ropes, to Kate can’t show Meghan the ropes because it would cause too much press attention, to Kate hates Meghan now because meghan made her cry, to Kate never liked meghan and was always suspicious of her, to Kate was always super welcoming and even had Meghan and Harry over for dinner all the time, to Kate doesn’t really know meghan and they didn’t spend a lot of time together so she doesn’t know her well enough to say whether she likes her or not, to Kate is devastated that her sister in law would say such things about her even after Kate was so kind, to Kate didn’t even listen to the Oprah interview and has no idea what was said, to Kate is over the Oprah interview now and is friends with Meghan and they FaceTime and text a lot, to Kate hasn’t talked to Meghan or harry in a year or more, to Kate has been sending Lili baby gifts and they’ve been forging a friendship, to Kate will always support her husband so she can’t talk to Meghan and harry, to Kate is the go between keen peacemaker and only one that talks to Harry but she won’t talk to Meghan, to Kate is trying to get to Harry by being nice to Meghan.
The amount of social media dragging that any statement from Andrew is going to get will be epic. Especially if it includes something about how he supports sexual abuse victims and is sad about people being raped and trafficked juxtaposed with “Virginia is a lying harpy out to take me down for political and financial reasons. Plus it makes the Queen sad. PS. don’t forget about the jubilee, this is the saddest timing for an accusation. The poor jubilee!”
And it’s not like a statement from him is going to lead to an outpouring of new support for him by people who already believe him. Those people are already caping for him in the press and on social media. They probably find it extra dignified of him NOT to acknowledge the suit in any way. That’s probably a talking point. “He’s so innocent he doesn’t even have to tell us he’s innocent.” But any kind of denial statement from him will absolutely lead to a wave of anti-Andrew, anti-monarchy sentiment and scathing comments on social media and in certain blogs and press. It would be stupid of him to try to say something, especially if it’s a double barreled “I’m not a rapist, this B is lying”/“I support victims. Sex abuse is bad” kind of statement. So the family and courtiers will probably insist that he do it. Because they’re HORRIBLE at their jobs.
Even in the sixteenth century, people in Framce and the Low Countries made fun of Henry VIII in that time’s media.
Of course, they were safe away on the mainland.
Those courtriers are the definition of INCOMPETENCE.
Everytime they choose to do something event the smallest problem become a disaster.
Andrew should only listen to his lawyers.
Aren’t the Met officers who also serve as RPOs? Wouldn’t some of them have been around when Virginia was being raped, and so isn’t them “investigating” Andrew a massive conflict of interest??? it’s in their own interest to make this all go away for him.
I think you might be right about the Met being RPOs. It would be an interesting turn of event if they interrogated the RPOs, but that might go against the NDAs they’ve probably signed. Don’t know how the law works on that. Are they permitted to speak, if the person they are protecting commits crimes on their watch?
Some of the more incriminating information has already come from RPOs, but not in the form of sworn statements. I doubt they have any particular loyalty to Andrew, because by all accounts he’s an obnoxious entitled shit who thinks he can treat non-royals as badly as he pleases, and would abuse them for doing their jobs. Same corrupt attitude that has him thinking it’s his god-given privilege to rape trafficked girls and take kickbacks from oligarchs.
From memory, it’s already been reported that the relevant logs and timesheets have mysteriously been lost.
Like air said yesterday, he should have settled with VRG years ago. What a damn fool.
That would’ve been beneath him. As for blindsided by her civil action, I don’t think so. They knew it was a possibility, they were just hoping to run out the clock.
Or they are so used to deferential treatment by the courts and the public in Britain, they thought it would never happen. They forgot they were dealing with Americans. Totally different kettle of fish.
Lol. The neverending battle between legal and PR. See this with clients all the time. When in doubt, SIDE WITH LEGAL.
Not defending Andrew AT ALL but I agree that he should be listening to his lawyers right now and not courtiers. And I suspect the lack of statement is because his lawyers want to fully read through the lawsuit before advising on a public statement. Again not defending him but this makes sense to me. Also not a lawyer.
The courtiers will feast on his corpse to protect the fk and ffk. He must know that.
he should be listening to his lawyer. If he was his own person (meaning if this was just Andrew of York Manor being sued) and his lawyer and his press spokesperson were warring, like @LaraW said above, he should side with legal 100%, even if in that situation the press spokesperson’s goal would be to protect his image. Still, side with legal.
But here, there’s another level because the courtiers are not “his.” Their interests are not his. Their goal is not to protect his image but to protect the Crown, the heirs, the institution. That does not involve protecting Andrew at this point. If they need to sacrifice Andrew to protect the Crown, they will do that without hesitation. And by “they” I dont mean just the courtiers, but William and Charles as well.
So yes, he should absolutely be listening to his lawyers at this point and not the men in grey.
And that’s without going into how BAD the men in grey are at their jobs.
All this Becks, bet right about now there are a few of these men in grey suits who are wishing that they had dialed back the vile treatment of Meghan by half so that they could now throw her under the bus all the way. Too bad the dusty walls within the palaces don’t come with brains.
Hope Megs and Harry are currently sipping tea and saying peaceful is us under a tree daily
Completely agree
The incompetence of the palace is simply astonishing. These people are so damn bad at their jobs that I can barely believe that the monarchy is still functioning at all. I think Harry said that Meghan was shocked when she got a peek behind the curtain and I can absolutely see why. To go from a highly functioning, results oriented work style, to the complete sh*tshow of the firm must have been eye opening. There is now way a real firm would even be able to survive if they ran like the monarchy does. Unbelievable. The apathy amongst the people must be hella strong to tolerate this mess. Who would want to pay taxes to uphold this level of clownery?
100 percent this
@jt this has been one of the most startling things to see once I started paying attention. At first, I naively wondering why they were all briefing against each other, talking out of turn to the press, etc. This is a perfect example. Why the ever living FUCK does anyone think it’s a good idea to give these statements to the press? Can you imagine the Larry’s sniping at each other in the press about Apple’s PR vs. legal strategy? It’s so so obvious that this shit just drags them all down. Complaining about Andrew anonymously does not make Charles or William look good, especially when Mummy’s been coddling him for years. The firm sinks or swims together. And while it hasn’t totally sunk yet, the net effect of all this garbage is a very degraded and vulnerable Royal brand.
Meanwhile look at the clean, disciplined brand that is house Sussex, and especially Meghan. They are sooooo much better away from this stinking shit pile
@Gruey If the royals had any sense of shame they would be embarrassed at the state of the firm. All of the backstabbing through the press is completely unprofessional and childish. Uphold the values of the queen my a**. The royals uphold nothing but clownery. No wonder the carnival covers them.
Should Prince Pedo be in prison? Absolutely. Should he listen to his lawyers? Definitely. Do the Assclown Courtiers get in a tizzy any time they aren’t able to completely control someone in that family? Of course.
I think Andrew is too dumb and coddled at this point to even realize he did something terrible. My guess is he assumes mummy can get him out of any mess because she’s the queen. As for him releasing a statement, his lawyers probably will but I doubt we will hear anything he actually wrote. Hes so dumb he incriminates himself every time he opens his mouth.
OMG. If I were his lawyer, I’d tape his mouth shut and keep him in a rural area without Internet or phone service. There is NO upside to letting him say or do anything. He’s a total idiot.
What happened to never complain, never explain? And didn’t the press say that members of the Royal Family can’t respond to accusations? That’s what they say whenever Harry and Meghan have talked about how the family treated them. Andrew is just following protocol.
Exactly!
I have literally never seen anyone whine to the press as much as the BRF. Not even Kanye on his sloppiest day on Twitter. Whining about television shows, whining whining about Oprah, whining CONSTANTLY about each other and now whining because one of them isn’t whining FOR ONCE. I mean good lord these people smdh!!
Your Kanye comparison cannot be stressed enough!
This is SO true.
Charles and William want Andrew to help himself out the door, lol. It’s like rats leaving a sinking ship, except these rats think if they throw everyone else overboard, the ship will right itself. Ha-ha, no.
I kind of wonder if they’re worried Andrew will blab about the unsavory connections that Charles and William have in order to deflect blame and/or make him seem less culpable (in the sense that this was simply the norm in his social milieu?). Just spitballing here.
The issue is that Andrew doesn’t have much time. Complaint filed, he has 21 days to respond. If he shows up he’ll probably file a motion to dismiss, briefing on that will take probably 1.5 to 2 months, brings us to October, possibly a mid/late October hearing or even early November, which happens to coincide with Maxwell’s trial. Or he might not file a MTD and file an Answer instead, which then goes into discovery negotiations.
Any kind of privilege that Andrew would try to assert on the grounds of being a royal or whatever would only serve to infuriate a judge. I mean, maybe Andrew could take the route of motion to dismiss due to improper venue and argue this case should be moved to the UK. Hearing would still fall right around Maxwell’s trial though.
New York still has jurisdiction because some of the assaults happened at Epstein New York villa and she was transported across state lines into NY.
So he might get the assaults in London dismissed but then still have the assaults in NY to answer for.
This is a nightmare for the BRF.
ALSO, from all I looked up, Pedo is SOL: he does NOT have ANY kind of *diplomatic* immunity, nor does he have any kind of *sovereign* immunity (only TQ does, NO other member of TRF). He is for all intents and purposes a “civilian” in that he is NOT a “working member” of TRF either (and again, even in the case of being a working member, see above: NO immunity).
Now… WILL the US gov. be “nice” and not try and force an extradition for trial? I’d bet on it, yes.
It’s been Charles in Charge for a while now, and he’s king in all but name. Does he get the sovereign immunity, could the queen grant it if he’s in another country, or is he SOL on immunity?
Cressida Dick saying no one is above the law. Not sure what’s gonna happen there? Like yeah they’re looking into the Epstein investigation but doubt the MET police will actually do anything in regards to Andrew. So won’t those words just come back to haunt her?
It’s already been concluded that the reason the Met has not done anything on the case is because Andrew is a member of the Royal Family. So Cressida Dick is not being truthful about this. There’s not going to be a review of this case.
Of course there won’t be. They must have mountains of evidence of all his illicit/illegal activities and the deal is that they keep it quiet and protect the monarchy first and foremost.
They AND Scotland Yard “investigated” previously and found no “wrongdoing” on the part of Pedo. I think this is going through the motions; they will NEVER “find” anything different this time. Esp. while Ol’ Brenda’s still kicking.
Cressida should have remembered that when she let kate walk away back to her home after the Sarah incident. Didn’t do anything then, and I don’t expect her to do anything now
I have no confidence in the Met to do anything about this. If any of their officers are implicated, as protection officers for Andrew, the Met will look the other way. (Let’s not forget that Sarah Everard’s killer was a serving Met officer with a known history of indecent exposure, who was nicknamed “the Rapist” by colleagues because of his uncomfortable how he made his female colleagues. And yet he was still employed by the Met when he killed Sarah). So I think it’s quite possible they can be “leaned on” by the BRF.
After all, they’ve already supposedly reviewed the Epstein case twice already. This is just for appearances, IMO.
Cue the topic of Andrew with the appearance if the pathetic paternal markle family attacks on meghan. Gosh I am not in that family but those white men attacking the family woc, is sickening.
I bet the way those animals are acting there was never true love for meghan. They are acting like she was their property, and she is being punishished like a runaway slave.
So, what is “the court of public opinion” saying? Here in the US, anyone I know who bothers to follow this thinks Andrew is guilty – but what do people in the UK think?
Offering sympathy to the victims might have worked if he hadn’t already screwed himself in the BBC interview. Best to listen to the lawyers and keep his mouth shut.
UK public opinion is most definitely NOT on HIS SIDE! Google the term; “Prince Andrew is a sweaty nonce” and you will find a lovely example of street art that appeared after the Newsnight interview.
OMG, too funny – I would never in a million years think to google those words. Thanks Here4Tea and Sophia.
I’m in the UK and I think most people dislike Andrew and think he’s guilty
I’m in NZ, and most common public opinion is that he’s guilty AF, and should have been locked up 10 years ago.
I’m in the UK and I don’t know anybody online or in person who thinks he’s innocent.
The ova on these people. Should he listen to his family members because they’ve always nailed their PR presses (e.g. tampongate, or Rose Bush for a more recent example). Perhaps it’s because they have the best, most competent advisors, as evidenced by their handling of the Sussex shenanigans). What Andrew should take from his own disastrous interview is that he should listen to the people who are *paid* to protect his legal interests. The rest aren’t in jeopardy, so their opinion isn’t relevant.
I understand Charles and William though. Andrew needs to go away quickly. Every time his face appears in royal portraits, it’s a huge liability to the monarchy. Cuomo just resigned for something 20-30 years ago would have been swept under the rug. Times are changing and women are rising up. It’s a perilous place for the Crown to be.
Why is Bill Clinton slipping under the radar?
And Bill Gates
Don’t know about Clinton, but Gates probably already has spread money around several feet deep to buy the womens’ silence.
He probably had significant exposure. His wife left him and made it public. Whatever happened was dreadful.
When ever there is conversation on Andrew, others are brought up, why?. Even in media articles like the mirror and others, comments are not on, why?.
People find it hard to stay on topic.
(maybe)People are outraged these sick individuals carried out their filthy little fantasies with real kidnapped young girls and appear to have gotten away with it. Sooner or later with enough reminders something will be done. Bill Cosby got away with his crimes for 30+ years before a comedian on stage made an innocuous joke about his multitude of rapes on drugged young women and girls. Next thing you know, *Cosby’s in jail. Hopefully something similar will happen with Andrew, because the law is sure dragging their respective asses on this.
*yes, I know the filthy creep is free. imo not a whole lot of justice evidenced in letting him out.
In this particular situation, bc Bill Clinton did not rape Virginia Roberts and so she is not suing him.
In the general scheme of thing – I think its because people expect Clinton to be a slimeball and to be sketchy about women so I don’t think anyone is really surprised that he had ties to epstein.
Bill Clinton is much worse than just “sketchy” around women.
I agree, but this post isn’t about him, there have been lots of other posts about Epstein in general. The reason this post is NOT about him is because he is not the one that Virginia is suing.
For the same reason Cuomo got the benefit of the doubt and we needed to “wait for an investigation.”
Well, this story is about the royal sex offender Andrew. With that said, the new season of American Crime Story is coming out and I suspect Bill Clinton is in for a bit of a reckoning via social media.
All I want is the first developments of the case to be around their stupid jubilee.
That photo of Pedo, Recruiter and Virginia haunts me to this day.
What that then poor girl and now woman is going through. Twenty. Years.
I hope Virginia wipes the floor with this whole family.
But that can’t be Andrew in the photo, wasn’t he eating pizza in Woking at this exact moment? 🙄
If he’d been at a Pizza Express in Woking for his daughter’s party, there would have been stories about it in every women’s magazine in the Commonwealth.
Whenever I see that picture of a young Virginia with Andrew and Maxwell in the background, I want to cry. I cannot wrap my mind around how any woman could just offer up a vulnerable teen that way. I hope Maxwell rots in hell, and Virginia & Meghan take down this centuries-long criminal “Royal Family.”
Why would Andrew need to make a statement, when the courtiers, Willnot and Chaz are speaking to every rota member they can get hold of? THEY are the ones running to the rota with new unofficial statements so the case gets more press coverage.
Although they are complaining about Andrews solicitors not doing what the courtiers and dumb and dumber wants, non of them are complaining about Andrew choosing other solicitors than the chosen legal firm of the Firm. Remember how the courtiers complaind to the rota about Meghan choosing another law firm for her case against the sun? Not a word when it comes to Andrew.
Edit: that comment about saying something support about sexual abuse victims, are the courtiers taking the advice of this blog now?
Good catch. Probably b/c this is serious stuff, while Meghan’s troubles were mostly made up by the BRF.
Welp!!!
Go VRG Go 😁
What difference does the age of his mother make in this case? Why is this constantly dragged up for sympathy? All these pervs have mothers. And some of them have daughters too. Virginia is what? 5-6 yrs older than his daughters? In that one picture she looks like a teenager.
And regard to him making a statement based on William and Charles’ advise, what is he gonna say? “Definitely not a pedo family,”. Come on
This. I’ve worked on this kind of crime, and it’s very common for rapists and paedophiles to have vile mothers defending them and blaming the victims.
One: His reputation is already shredded. Two: Repeating lies isn’t going to help him, and expressing sympathy now would only highlight his hypocrisy.
Who do the courtiers think would have their minds changed by a statement from Andrew? Time travel is the only thing that would help repair the reputational damage, but as the Greeks have it, character is destiny.
They are desperately trying to differentiate Andrew from the Crown but sorry, that Andrew stank is all over the place.
Andrew didn’t listen to the PR expert who told him not to do the interview, so it’s good that he’s listening to his lawyers. What he needs is American legal advice, his lawyers should be working with an American firm. An American would have told them that a. They’re not bluffing and b. They will file civil charges. They may have been working on the British idea that one cannot sue a royal.
Virginia had also said she was trafficked to a we’ll known US attorney, why are no civil charges filed against that person? How was he able to make the allegations go away?
It’s standard in transnational litigation to engage local counsel as well. They already have US lawyers, we just don’t know who they are yet.
You could “slightly” feel sorry and believe Prince Andrew at first if he “didn’t know” she was trafficked…But THEN he gave That interview ………Guilty as fook. Also how arrogant and entitled that he thought the interview went well , and because he spoke everyone would automatically believe his shite. I find the Dickhead disturbing, Infact the whole institution is and probably has always been.
The trend now is to try to divert attention by going at Meghan and Harry in the media.Next sister Sam will show up with one of her rants. So obvious.
The royal family is the biggest bunch of grifters I have ever seen.
Ofcourse they are😏they’re worried because they can’t offer up the sussexs to bury this. It also sets precedent for people to sue the royals (hoping the commonwealth nations are paying attention)
What would they sue to royals for
Among other crimes.. To get some of the shit back the RF has stolen from them?
Much as I loathe the man I have to say that his most sensible course of action from his own point of view is to keep stum
Psssst…Charles, Tower of London…just saying. Tourists will love visiting in hopes of catching a glimpse of a famous prisoner.
LOL. People would probably pay double the ticket prices for a chance to see that.
https://www.hrp.org.uk/tower-of-london/visit/#gs.8e6q5d
I wonder wtf their plan would be if Harry had never met Meghan. Would they have resorted to throwing the Middletons under the bus by now? They’re all trash; so glad Harry and Meghan bounced and got an ocean away from this entire sh!tshow.
If that is charles strategy, not to defend Andrew, but that would be whack from a brother to another. Wow. There is no blood running through that family’s veins, only vinegar. Only white vinegar.