The Sussexes might ‘fade into obscurity’ like the Duke & Duchess of Windsor

Duke and Duchess of Windsor wedding 1937

One of the funniest & dumbest things about the Windsor clan and the royal media which supports them is that they’re all idiots with zero sense of actual history. Basically, ever since the Duke and Duchess of Sussex exited that bitch, these people have been doing the most to convince everyone that Meghan and Harry are the new Wallis Simpson and Duke of Windsor. There are too many problems with this comparison – King Edward VIII’s abdication was some-odd 85 years ago; the media is understandably much different; Edward was a king; Edward and Wallis were Nazi-sympathizers if not actual Nazis, etc. Still, royal commentators are hellbent on making the comparisons because, I suppose, Harry “gave up” royal life for love, like Edward. Harry actually chose his mixed race wife & children over his white privilege, which has always been what rankled the Windsors and the media. So here are some comments made by Nick Bullen, some kind of documentary filmmaker who is obviously trying to profit from this strained comparison:

Nick Bullen on the parallels between Edward & Wallis and the Sussexes: “It’s fascinating when you draw the parallels between the two. Both of them married divorced American women. We all know that, but it goes much deeper than that. Edward and his brother also experienced their own sibling rivalry that can be compared to Harry’s strained relationship with his brother, Prince William. But Edward and his brother Bertie [King George VI] never really resolved their differences. And when Edward wrote his book, it was really the first time a senior member of the royal family had written such a book. And he was paid a fortune at the time. It may have even been the highest-paid book of its time. It had a tremendous impact. So what kind of impact will Harry now have?”

Bullen is selling Royalty TV’s “The Royals Revealed: Harry and Edward, Princes in Exile”: “The big lesson viewers will learn from this documentary is how the Duke and Duchess of Windsor sort of faded into obscurity and became bit players on the world stage. They were slightly awkward guests at dinner parties in New York. It raises the question, how long will Harry and [his wife] Meghan Markle’s value stay at such a high level? I think this documentary is a window to a story that has happened before and what could occur again.”

Bullen on Harry’s memoir: “Even though Harry wasn’t the king and he didn’t abdicate, he still has a major impact on the monarchy. I think the biggest lesson – or warning – that this documentary shares is the fact that Edward and Wallis Simpsons faded slowly into obscurity. They eventually became irrelevant. Will the same happen to Harry and Meghan as Prince William’s children take to the world stage? It may seem far from now, but it will happen. What will happen to Harry and Meghan 10 years from now? Will they be the same stars they are now? Some historians have suggested that this is unlikely.”

The Windsors’ Golden Boy: “Edward, like Harry, was the absolute golden boy of the royal family,” Bullen shared. “He was adored by people across the world wherever he went. If you look at our films, you’ll see archived footage of crowds cheering for him. And even after his marriage to Wallis, there was still this golden glow around him. However, that quickly faded.”

No regrets: “The truth is, I think Edward was happy enough to step away from the throne. He is sometimes portrayed as a man who lived with regrets, that he wished he could have continued as king. But I think he was actually pretty comfortable with his decision. And that’s something we tend to forget about him. He wasn’t a man who was sitting in Paris longing to be back on the throne. I think he had regrets about how he was able to serve his country and how he wasn’t able to make the difference he thought he might have been able to as a younger man. But I don’t think he regretted giving up the throne because he was very much in love with Wallis. And he left to be with the woman he loved.”

[From Fox News]

Basically, all of this resulted in multiple headlines about how Meghan and Harry are doomed to fade into obscurity. I’m sure there are a lot of people – on Bitter Island – who want to believe that and do believe that. But if anything, the Windsors have shown that they’re doomed to be defined by the Sussexit for years to come. The story of the Windsors currently is one of an institution too racist, too stuffy and too regressive to modernize and embrace their two biggest stars. Meghan is no Wallis either.

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  1. jazzbaby1 says:

    Of course they won’t “fade into obscurity,” the media makes too much money off of them.

    • Pao says:

      Lol, i was about to say this. How can they fade into obscurity when the press won’t stop talking about them?

    • Esmerelda says:

      Also, the “Nazi sympathizers/collaborators” thing is NOT minor: the establishment and the media clearly iced them out, as no one wanted to hear that sort of propaganda, or remind the world of the questionable choices and sympathies of the BRF. The “exiled for loooove” was a convenient facade.
      Harry and Meghan are on the very opposite end of the moral spectrum, here. Their causes will give them relevance, and the right kind of relevance, too.

      • Maria says:

        Also to cover up the ties they still had. “Charlie” Coburg was Queen Victoria’s grandson and a valued friend of Hitler who wanted to use him to butter up the Royals how he could and he visited Sandringham and Buckingham all the time. George Duke of Kent is suspected of Nazi collaboration.
        Not to mention that questionable footage of Elizabeth II and the Queen Mother playfully doing a Nazi salute in the early 1930′s.

    • Cate says:

      Seriously! I don’t really see them doing much to attract attention to themselves personally, just to their foundation and causes. I could be wrong, but I don’t see them as being all that invested in being celebrities or notorious just for the sake of it.

    • bettyrose says:

      They also won’t “fade into obscurity” because they’ll continue doing important works. WTF did the Duke & Duchess of Windsor ever do except throw parties and hold salons?

    • Where'sMyTiara says:

      How can Wallis and Edward be touted to be “faded into obscurity” when the British media insists on dragging them out as whipping posts every other week? They never shut up about them, how are they in any way “obscure” at this point?

  2. Lemons says:

    Lol. Obscurity? The Windsors themselves are overshadowed each and every day by the Sussexes who do nothing outside of announcing new projects and initiatives from time to time. The rest of the time, the rota is laser-focused in bringing H&M into whatever narrative possible with the Windsors since stories on their own don’t sell and the ones that do are scandals they don’t want in the press.

    • WithTheAmerican says:

      Yesterday they were complaining about Meghan outshining Cam and today they’re saying Meghan and Harry will be forgotten.

      Lol. BAD messaging.

    • Debbie says:

      Exactly. What obscurity? These are the same people who, when they’re starved of new Sussex materials, recycle old stories and try to pretend they have a new take it. Imagine, old stories about a couple who have said goodbye to you and are living in another country, on a new continent. Desperate.

  3. Amy T says:

    It just gets more desperate-seeming for the Royal Industrial Complex. Just keep throwing stories at the world until something sticks, RIC. #weseeyou

  4. Osty says:

    And the same pple who claim they will fade can’t stop inserting them into all things royal.
    But isn’t it telling that the Sussex who are sixth in line to the throne are always compared to a king ? Are they admitting that they used to see harry more of a king than their future king and future future?

    • JT says:

      I think so. There is no way they would be as unhinged as they are if Harry was as irrelevant as they claim. William wouldn’t need to “share the burden of being king” with anyone if there was any faith in William’s ability to do the job. I believe they expected Harry to be the king in all but name only while William does…. whatever it is he does.

  5. Myra says:

    Not while the British media is still going strong, they won’t. Not a day goes by that they don’t talk about the Sussexes.

    • Jegede says:

      And the idiot trying to sell his documentary by spotlighting the ‘irrelevant’ Sussexes.

      Otherwise, no one would care.🙄🙄🙄

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @Myra Exactly. Has there ever been a day since it came out Harry & Meghan were dating that the BM hasn’t written or spoke about them?

      Edward and Wallis were known for throwing parties. The comparison is daft. H & M have work ethics and are known for successful charitable endeavors.

      This is a story I can see being sanctioned by Charles. Nick Bullen is royal family friendly and in an article complaining about The Crown, he made a point of saying Charles & Diana were ‘clearly a couple in love’ during the Australia tour and the affairs didn’t start until after the breakdown of the marriage. Yea, Nick, that’s a good one. Some of us haven’t forgotten “whatever in love means” or that Charles wore his C & C cufflinks on his honeymoon and all the other breadcrumbs. I’m sure William has no problem with this story too.
      Bullen’s Crown article.

      • Tessa says:

        The rich and famous “courted” the Windsors. They had suites at the Waldorf and their pictures were prominent there. They “wintered” in Palm Beach. And she planned elaborate dinner parties. Marlene Dietrich wrote about how she attended some of these dinner parties. Totally different lifestyle. They had no children, they were socialites more or less.

  6. SarahCS says:

    Wow. Do we really need to hear about the BRF and BM’s wet dreams in so much detail?

    I mean sure, tell yourselves whatever you like. We all know they will keep rewriting history and coming up with new excuses to explain how H&M are totally failing a while anyone with eyes can see it’s the opposite. Yikes.

    • Selene says:

      Exactly, and there’s also the detail that H & M have chosen to serve the public independently of their “royal titles”, unlike Wallis and Edward. H & M have created so many endeavors to bring awareness, to serve and to help others, i.e the Invictus Games. The British media salivates thinking about the prospect of their destruction, but H & M have trascended the British media. They’re international!

  7. Merricat says:

    Lol. They certainly wish the Sussexes would “fade into obscurity,” but that doesn’t happen when you have philanthropic projects on a global scale. This is another reason why the comparison is apples and oranges. The Windsors did absolutely nothing after abdication, whereas the Sussexes are ALL about the work.
    I guess the target audience for this dreck isn’t strong on logic.

    • lanne says:

      They DONT wish or want that. They SAY they wish/want that, but the bottom line matters, and the bottom line is that the Sussexes sell. End stop. It’s been nearly 2 years since Sussexit, and they still act as if it happened yesterday, and as if the Sussexes are monumentally important to the monarchy. Either they are or they aren’t. If they aren’t important, then the ratchets should stop talking about them and focus on all the brilliant work of the Cambridges and the Duke of York. If they are important, then own it and admit it. This is getting ridiculous now.

      • Agreatreckoning says:


      • Lorelei says:

        @Lanne, even if they did want it, we live in a completely different world now and they seem unable to realize or accept it.

        The media is not controlled like it was in freaking 1936, when the Windsors could basically set the narrative they wanted, which the entire country would then read in their morning newspaper, and that was that.
        Those days are gone, and everyone except the BRF seems able to acknowledge this. They’re still operating as if we were in the Dark Ages ffs.

      • JL says:

        Frankly, I don’t think the Sussexes will fade into any kind of obscurity as long as Meghan continues to be really good-looking. (Harry looks fine too, but Meghan, like Kate, is bringing the stronger genetic game.) People like looking and reading about pretty celebrities, and Meghan has the looks and dedication to remain pretty for a loooong time. Look at someone like Nigella Lawson: her looks have been a helpful supplement to her career for decades, and I expect will continue to enhance her fame for years to come. Both women could be successful even if they were totally plain, but there’s no denying that their faces attract ongoing interest.

    • Eurydice says:

      Yes, I was going to post this. You become irrelevant when you don’t want to stay relevant.

    • Merricat says:

      I should have been more clear about my pronoun reference. I absolutely agree the rota sells papers by writing about the Sussexes, but I do think the royal family wishes they (the Sussexes) would fade away.

    • Debbie says:

      I know, right? They’ll “fade into obscurity.” Tell that to Diana’s ghost.

  8. Em says:

    Considering Edward and Wallis are more commented on and talked about than his brother George and his wife Elizabeth is this really the comparison they want to make? Instead of putting up the sussexes against the Cambridge children, why don’t they put the Cambridges and the sussexes side by side and see who history will remember and who will be forgotten.

    • ModeratelyWealthy says:

      They have no real capacity for reflection. It is about clickbait and tory propaganda now.

    • Pao says:

      Nick is admitting something here that we have been saying for years now. The only “pull” the Cambridges have is their kids. Which is why he’s holding up harry and meghan against the camb kids instead of the Cambs.

      I do think that at some point the camb kids will become fodder for the press. But harry and meghan will never fade into the background

    • mariahlee says:

      good point. it implies that even as king and queen W&K will be overshadowed by others. now that should be concerning. who knows whether the Camb kids will want to play the game.

    • Nyro says:

      Exactly, Em! Not to defend the Duke and Duchess of Auschwitz, but it’s really funny how the British media use them as the mark for “fading into obscurity” when when they are still regularly talk about nearly 90 years after the abdication. Prior to Meghan coming along, they were still being used for press second only to Diana. Those two have been written about more than QEII’s parents and they’ve been immortalized on film and tv countless times. I guarantee you more people know who Wallis Simpson is than the Queen Mother. She’s still talked about today as a 1930s fashion icon.

      • L4frimaire says:

        Wallis Simpson was a terrible shallow fascist but she definitely was a fashion icon and incredibly stylish. She definitely epitomized 30s design and had a brittle chicness to her. Her Mainbocher wedding suit could be worn today and still looks fashionable. Magazines like, funnily enough, Vanity Fair, Tatler and Town and Country still refer to her and Edward as some of the best dressed and stylish couples of the 20th C. On another note, they were incredibly privileged and protected and supported by the Crown. How is it they were never arrested for their association with Hitler, or questioned by US/UK intelligence? That part is very reminiscent of Andrew.

    • Lorelei says:

      @EM lmao you’re so right! My god, these people have the memories of goldfish.
      It’s actually funny how they keep self-sabotaging themselves with their lame attempts to sabotage the Sussexes. They do it over and over again and never learn, like Lucy with Charlie Brown and the football.

      The Windsors would be LUCKY if the Sussexes went the way of Edward and Wallis. They’re saying it now as an insult, but in reality, it would be the best thing to happen to them. Attention would return to the rest of the family, particularly the Cambridges, if the Sussexes faded away. And the Cambridges wouldn’t look so dull (and lazy, but mostly dull and dowdy, which is what William and Kate care more about, imo) if they weren’t constantly being compared to Harry and Meghan anymore.

      • Tessa says:

        Edward and Wallis never really faded away. I saw an old article where they were interviewed before the Coronation of his niece Queen Elizabeth. They certainly were not “out of the news” and many historians and biographers have been intrigued by them. I don’t think the Cambridge could carry off being “popular.” He is no longer the Golden Prince and he’s more like his
        father now. IMO Kate has done nothing really of note.

  9. Alexandria says:

    I don’t care if the BM doesn’t cover them. I don’t care if they close their foundation (properly) and lie low because I just want Harry and his family to be happy and safe. They are private citizens after all. It’s the BM that doesn’t want to stop covering them. They’re stupid like that.

    Edward and Wallis were parasites. That’s it.

  10. Snuffles says:

    Edward and Wallis lived a fallow and shallow life AND were financially dependent on the royal family until the day they died. That’s why they faded into obscurity. They did nothing with their lives. They were the idle rich.

    Harry and Meghan are booked and busy. They want to work and make an impact and will do so for the rest of their lives. At some point, the RRs will stop foaming at the mouth every time the Sussex’s breath, posting dozens of articles a day on them and stretching to insert them in every royal story. They’ll eventually return their focus on the UK royals. But the Sussex’s will remain power players on the world stage for as long as they want.

    • Jegede says:

      More than that. Unlike Edward & Wallis, Harry & Meghan have children!!

      The Windsors – just the two of them till the end of their days.

      The Sussexes – will live for their family like many others.

    • Nic919 says:

      Your first paragraph describes the Cambridges who have done nothing of value for their 40 years of life. The only reason anyone bothers with them is because the establishment media props them up to seem relevant. But did anyone miss them this summer in their disappearance from zoom calls and sporadic engagements?

      The roles are reversed this time. The Cambridges represent the colonizer racist monarchy stuck in its sexist and racist ways and taking from the the taxpayers to live an indulgent lifestyle. That’s how the Windsors lived, but they managed to trick the people into believing that George VI and his wife were somehow better than his brother. They really weren’t though.

      • Eurydice says:

        Edward and Wallis lived a shallow parasitic life and are still more interesting than the Cambridges. It’s not just that W&K are lazy and useless and emblems of colonialism, it’s that they are fundamentally boring. They have no charm, no style, no energy, no wit, no intelligence. If Will hadn’t been born a prince, he’d be just some random guy who likes football – and Kate, some random woman who married a random guy who likes football.

      • Nic919 says:

        I would argue that the Cambridges also lead a shallow and parasitic existence, it’s just that it is approved by the British establishment.

      • Christine says:

        I could not agree with you more if I tried. That should be all any of the reporters in England are talking about; how lazy, entitled, and racist Will and Kate continue to be. Worse yet, they are taking money from their future future “subjects”, someone has really got to come up with a more current term for this BS.

        Seriously, stop it with the Sussexes, British media. You are all looking equally lazy at this point. Eyes front, on the “royals” who actually live on your tiny isle.

        “So what kind of impact will Harry now have?”

        Um….yeah. Archewell, Nick, Google it.

    • Selene says:

      You worded this way better than I ever could, and YES, I agree 100%

    • Emma says:

      Isn’t the obvious comparison to Diana, Harry’s own mother, who left the royal family? Who is still beloved and popular despite her death decades ago? Harry and Meghan are so much more like her than a great-great-uncle (?) from ninety (?) years ago who neither of them even met. But that would force the “journalists” to acknowledge Harry and Meghan are not Nazi sympathizers who abandoned the country in the midst of a global conflict.

    • Tessa says:

      The Abdication speech IMO will never be forgotten. And neither will the couple.

  11. Harla says:

    Sure Jan

  12. Steph says:

    If there are comparisons to be made i think it’s Edward and Wallis to Charles and Camilla. I think both men fell deeply in love with women who were only there for their own egos but got stuck.

    I don’t think they’ll fade into obscurity. I think they’ll always let the most impactful speak which will increasingly be younger ppl (look up Ms Jayla Jackson’s speech this weekend) and they’ll happily step back.

    • Elo says:

      I agree that the comparison should be between Edward and Wallis and Charles and Camilla. The story changed with Charles and Camilla, but I think both men fell in love with interesting and strong women with a past, in Camilla’s case a very public one. I think it was the argument when Charles fought to marry her and that is the reason he was allowed to do so.

      Wallis and Meghan only have in common that they are divorced American women. But there is no way the Sussexes will fall into obscurity and oblivion; we live in different times and H&M have interests and goals that will keep them in the spotlight. In the other hand, the link between Edward and Wallis with Nazis makes them fall into obscurity.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles did not move heaven and earth to marry her, he brought Diana in as his wife so he could have heirs and there were other women in his life, some of whom he was serious with (Anna Wallace, Jane Wellesley, Amanda Knatchbull, and like Edward, had other married mistress, Charles also was involved with Lady Tryon. Edward DID move heaven and heart to marry her. And her husband even hired a co-respondent so HE could be the one to blame for the divorce not his wife. Charles outed Camilla publicly. Wallis was outed by Edward after the abdication and she was divorced. Charles really did not “fight” to marry her and did not have to give up a throne or his place in line of succession. Edward chose the woman he loved. If Charles had the choice I think he would have chosen the throne. Edward did not bring in a young girl to have heirs like Charles did. I don’t see Edward and Wallis every falling into obscurity, They are mentioned even now to try to put down the sussexes. I don’t see Camilla as a strong woman, a strong woman would have walked away and not have been cold hearted to the wife.

      • L4frimaire says:

        I’m always curious why Edward wasn’t made to marry some European princess or aristocrat in his 20s, before he met Wallis. It seems so strange he was a bachelor, especially when royalty still had arranged marriages. Also many think the throne would have eventually passed to Elizabeth anyway because Edward was rumored to be sterile because he had mumps as a teenager. Who knows.

  13. Amy Bee says:

    I remember during the Australia tour, Robert Jobson said on TV that the Harry and Meghan mania would die down in a few months, that didn’t happen. It was reported that aides were telling William not to worry about the Sussexes’ popularity it would die down soon. After Harry and Meghan left, the press said that they were irrelevant. Seems to me that they have become bigger since leaving the Royal Family. They were supposed to fail and come crawling back to the UK within a year, instead they’ve put down roots in the US. Perhaps if the British press didn’t talk about them everyday they would fade away but the press including Bullen can’t let them go.

    • windyriver says:

      H&M’s popularity might have died down over time, as the newness of their marriage wore off, if someone (or several someones) didn’t have the bright idea to mount a smear/discrediting campaign post Oceana, and essentially gave the media carte blanch to say whatever they liked. Once the BM discovered how profitable it was to constantly talk about Meghan, in particular, all bets were off.

      Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face – the end result was, the massive global visibility both H&M had due to constantly being in the news. And once Meghan in particular began promoting her several well developed service initiatives (starting with the Together cookbook), Will particularly, and the RF generally were screwed, because people with real, high level influence and connections, especially outside the UK, realized that not just Harry (Invictus, Sentebale), but also Meghan, were significant potential players in the philanthropic space.

      Which brings us to where we are today. Charles, despite his many flaws, retains credibility because of the considerable work he’s done as POW. Will, at 40, continues to be nothing but a useless, empty shell.

      • Steph says:

        I don’t think their popularity as Royals would have died down. They were always going to be good at the job. However putting them in a position where they needed to leave for their own health and safety is what turned them into bona-fide mega watt celebrities.

      • Tessa says:

        I don’t hold much hope for Charles and William as monarchs. Charles lost me the way he treated Harry and catered to William. Not the sign IMO of a strong person I hope that George will be an improvement.

      • Lady D says:

        Charles’s credibility has taken a huge hit world wide. Everyone now knows he cut funding to his son at his most vulnerable, and that he’s a gutless coward who wouldn’t defend his own newborn grandson. The future monarch is garbed in cloth spun from cowardice and cruel jealousy.

      • Lorelei says:

        @WindyRiver EXACTLY!!

        I think the Sussexes still would have had fans, simply because they’re interesting and likable, but the BM and the royal family themselves are the ones responsible for making them household names internationally, never taking them off the front pages, ever, forcing Sussexit and then the Oprah interview, and getting tons of people who never cared one bit about the BRF in their lives to not only start paying attention, but becoming vocal with their criticism of the RF because the abuse constantly heaped on Meghan was too blatant to ignore.

        They created this monster and now they have to live with it. Welp! Unintended consequences can be a bitch.

    • L4frimaire says:

      I’m find it interesting that Jobson felt the need to say that in the first place. Obviously there was chatter even then about their popularity and the impact they were making.

  14. Miranda says:

    The Duke and Duchess of Windsor faded into obscurity for a few reasons. One, I think, was that they were essentially selfish people with no real desire to use their wealth and fame to impact the world beyond themselves. More importantly, they were really, really embarrassing. Your country just beat the Nazis and is facing years of austerity because of that hard-won victory. No one wants to so much as look at a couple of overprivileged Nazi sympathizers in that atmosphere. Harry and Meghan are embarrassing in a different way, of course, because they’re showing that the rest of the family wasn’t so very different from Edward and Wallis after all.

    • Tessa says:

      They did not fade into obscurity. In fact only a few years ago Madonna produced a film about them. They were prominent in the film the King’s Speech. Also there are numerous books, TV movies and major motion pictures. I remember a hit miniseries about them which starred Anthony Andrews and Jane Seymour. Plus in the sixties, Hallmark Hall of Fame produced a film about them with Richard Chamberlain and Faye Dunaway. Harry and Meghan are not embarrassing in the least IMO, they wanted out and both offered to do part time work but were turned down. Wallis and Edward were never tried for treason, And lived in American, they would have been turned away if if they had plotted with Hitler. ANd Edward was allowed to visit his mother in the UK (she would not receive Wallis). In the sixties QE II welcomed them to the UK for a memorial to Queen Mary, and there are pictures of Wallis shaking hands with Charles. They were in Germany in1938 the same year Chamberlain appeased Hitler with the “Peace in Our Time” speech so he was taken in and underestimated Hitler’s ruthlessness, I think the couple that resembles Wallis and Edward the most is Charles and Camilla, Camilla and Wallis were both mistresses of Princes of Wales, only Camilla got into the family.

      • Jaded says:

        There’s a marvelous series called “Edward & Mrs. Simpson” with Edward Fox and Cynthia Harris that was on Masterpiece Theatre in the late seventies. Both Fox and Harris look eerily like their real-life counterparts and the acting is exemplary. It covers the time they first met (when she stole him from her BFF Thelma Furness who was away in the states visiting family) up until the newspapers exposed the relationship and they had to flee to Paris. It’s really worth having if you’re into the story, and from your extensive knowledge I think you are! You can still find copies on DVD floating around but they’re generally quite expensive.

  15. SusieQ says:

    It’s such a terrible and insulting comparison, especially because Edward was a danger to his country, and he was sent to the Bahamas to keep him away from fascists who wanted to use him as a puppet.

    • Tessa says:

      Edward was not convicted of treason and was able to periodically visit his mother in the UK. She did not want to see Wallis so he would go by himself. In the sixties through his death, HM did see him and invited him to a memorial to Queen Mary in the sixties he also attended his sister Princess Mary’s funeral. So they never barred him from the country as would have befit a “traitor.” And Americans let him in.

  16. North of Boston says:

    While both Edward and Harry left their official royal roles, a) Harry was not the King and was never going to be b) Harry made the choice to leave voluntarily out of love and to make his way in the world his own way … not live off royal and public funds c) Harry and Meghan have, even before they met, shown they are people who want to use their abilities and situations to make the world a better place, and together seem to be working to get on with a life of service. The former King and WS never gave a hint of wanting to do that.

    If I were to compare Edward and WS to anyone in the current stable of royals, it would be the Cambridges… interested in the trappings of their position, making the occasional visit or appearance and then enjoying someone else paying their way and sulking when they don’t get the deference they presume they’re entitled to. Also, there’s the secret and not-so secret tone deaf meetings with problematic figures … Nazis, political operatives trying to put their thumbs on the scale of the Scottish independence vote.

    H & M may not always occupy the same position as tabloid press fodder, but I think they, like President Jimmy Carter and others will continue public service and philanthropy throughout their lives – it’s not only who the are, it’s who they’ve aspired to be for years.

    • Alexandria says:

      There’s no serious journalist in the UK who dares to write this right?

    • Nic919 says:

      I agree with this 100%. If any couple is like the Windsors it’s the Cambridges. Both live very self absorbed lives and don’t pretend to hide it.

      • Layla says:

        @Nic919 right? Kate even dresses like Wallis. Does anyone else find that weird?

        I was wondering where I had seen the style of her 2019 TtC outfit. It looks awfully similar to Wallis’ dress in the first pic

      • notasugarhere says:

        The dress at her sister’s wedding was a mix of bad 70s fashion and Wallis’s wedding gown too.

  17. Over it says:

    Die mad, bitter and jealous you racist bi—-es.

  18. equality says:

    Have the D&D of Windsor faded into obscurity? I see more attention on them than on people who are still living. I think the royal “experts” have gotten so used to gaslighting the public that they are starting to believe that if they write something it becomes truth.

    • TheAnonymousPimpernel says:

      You’re correct. The D&D of Windsor may have been Nazi sympathizers but they didn’t fade into obscurity. Royal “experts” don’t know what words mean.

      • lanne says:

        They were the toast of high society in New York and in Europe. Being nazi symapthizers didn’t hurt them at all–it like even gave them cache with other society folks who weren’t openly Nazis but certainbly empathized with Nazi causes. They may have had to beg the monarchy for money, but they had no shortage of people who wanted to spend time with them.

  19. Noki says:

    They should have stifled their jealousy and let H & M ride out the initial interest and hysteria and eventually still be under their control. People, myself included love the Sussexes but that level of fame and interest would have eventualy died down( see Spice girls,Beatles) and after a couple of years they would have been just another royal couple. They are so short sighted and now H & M are fully in control and they cant do anything about it. LOL

  20. Matthew says:

    But they’re still talking about Edward and Wallis every day over there… If they’re this relevant and not at all obscure I think Meghan and Harry still have a few years left.

    ALSO – they’re in AMERICA now and our media loves them (to the great chagrin of the UK media). Those idiots in the royal family managed to set up a rivalry between the US and the UK in all of this mess. How do we think that’s going to work out for them?

  21. Jay says:

    I mean, obviously it’s a dumb comparison to keep making – Harry didn’t abdicate, he wasn’t king and wasn’t expecting to be, and he proposed a deal to try to stay a working royal! The dynamics are very different.

    And as to the little nugget about the Sussexes being forgotten as soon as the Cambridge kids grow up and start doing things? I doubt it, but that feels like media pressure to bring out the kids, don’t you think?

    • lanne says:

      That actually sucks for the Cambridge kids, not Harry and Meghan. The tabloids are just waiting for those Cambridge kids to grow up. I don’t even think they’ll wait until the kids are 18. I’ll think they will be fair game in high school, with whatever passes for social media at the time. The best bet for the kids is if they stay awkward for a long time–are late bloomers. Their parents will likely be able to shield them more than if they “pretty up” young. If so, all bets are off. William was getting attention at 15/16, and that was before social media. The future for the Cambridge kids is going to be brutal.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Lanne ita— I already feel so sorry for the Cambridge children, preemptively, because we know what they’re in for.

        It’s so wrong. Kate grew up in the UK, so she knew exactly how badly the royals were treated in the tabloids, yet she signed up for her own (at the time future) children to be their eventual targets? I’ll never understand that.

  22. Starfish88 says:

    I agree Snuffles that it is in early stages but it will interesting to see what they actually produce when they get off the ground, I just personally don’t think they have done anything spectacular yet with it. They have to be doing relevant things to stay relevant.

    I also don’t think the Cambridges have done anything great either and I think Kate would have have been happier living her sister’s life, but they will still be around because of the pageantry of the British Royal Family.

    • MsIam says:

      Umm, pandemic anyone? And gee you must be really hard to impress because I think the Sussexes have done a whole lot in a little over a year, especially having to battle the @ssholes around them in the press, public and their own families.

    • Snuffles says:


      Did you expect these deals to have an immediate impact? That’s unrealistic. But for a foundation just getting off the ground they are making great strides. And they’re getting their ducks in a row for their Netflix and Spotify deals. They’ve made some impressive hires and green lighted a few projects already.

      There have been a steady drip of activity since they left. Better Up, The Bench, The Me You Can’t See documentary, 40×40 project, the Oprah interview, guests on various panels, Better Up, Harry’s book deal. That’s on top of getting themselves settled in a new country, dealing with a pandemic, and making babies.

      How anyone can say they aren’t doing much is beyond me.

      • VS says:

        yet those same people never look at what the RF, the people they actually pay for, do……….amazing!!!

      • Amy Too says:

        The VaxLive thing was huge too. Also the money donated to charity from his polo playing. The world central kitchens projects. Harry did the Diana statue thing. They’ve done a lot. They haven’t produced regular Netflix or Spotify content yet, and I think that’s what people mean when they say they haven’t “done much” yet, because those were the deals that were so hyped right after they left. They were the first things we heard about but will probably be some of the last things come to fruition because producing a whole new scripted television show or documentary from scratch (during a pandemic, while you’re on parental leave) takes a really long time. For anyone. But they have done a ton of work since leaving, and raised a ton of money and awareness. They also produced a whole new human being. And all during a pandemic.

      • VS says:

        @Amy Too — also the money donated for Archie’s birthday! instead of just posting a posting a picture to help tabloids make money, they actually did something for Archie’s birthday! you never seem some of these royalists asking from the working royals for a proof of their work! which tells me some of them really do see the rf as a circus to entertain them! they don’t care about their “work”

    • Merricat says:

      Lol. Relevancy? They done plenty of work for mental health, for veterans, for women…in the midst of a pandemic and while having a second child. Define spectacular, and who exemplifies it, because I’ve found no other couple to compare.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Starfish: What would you have preferred that they had done in year and 6 months since they left the Royal Family?

    • equality says:

      They have brought more attention and action to important issues than any of the “working” royals throughout the pandemic, and while suffering a miscarriage, going through a pregnancy, moving a couple of times, dealing with a lawsuit and the on-going toxic press, and working at several different deals.

    • Maria says:

      This kind of comment never ceases to crack me up. Multimillion dollar deal with Netflix, the VaxLive program, philanthropy in Texas and towards Afghan women’s funds and other initiatives, partnership with World Central Kitchen, producing a mental health documentary, podcasts, 40×40, continuing work on Invictus…given the pandemic and them having a miscarriage and now a healthy baby, they are doing plenty.
      These comments always come from people who never research anything.

    • MerlinsMom1018 says:


    • Jaded says:

      Good golly @Starfish – you clearly haven’t been following the quick trajectory of their successes both within the royal family and after they left, under such daunting circumstances that it’s a wonder they didn’t both have nervous breakdowns! Their projects like the Hubb cook book, Smart Works, highlighting mental health, the military, helping underprivileged women get back into the workforce, 40 x 40, not to mention Sentebale, Invictus, the Netflix deal, Harry’s job with BetterUp…the list goes on and on. All while she had a miscarriage followed by giving birth to Lili. All during a pandemic.

      Still believe you “personally don’t think they have done anything spectacular yet with it. They have to be doing relevant things to stay relevant”?? Puhleeze…everything they’ve accomplished is relevant.

      • L4frimaire says:

        Also all the smaller things they did like the 19th forum, Meghan’s commencement address at her high school, with her the Girl Up speech, Teenager Therapy podcast, the Travalyst forum, Zoom calls with Queens commonwealth trust, Smartworks, Invictus, the Get Lit poetry forum, a couple op-Ed’s in MNY Times and Fast Company, Meghan investing in Clevr Blends. They are laying the a foundation. I think we expect a lot from them and we want it and we want it now.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Oh look, another brand new name attacking the Sussexes and pretending they haven’t accomplished anything ever. LOL

      Invictus Games, Hubb Kitchen, Together Cookbook, Sentebale, Endeavour Fund, 40 x 40, The Bench, Archewell partnership with World Kitchen, etc. etc. etc.

  23. Calibration says:

    It’s also interesting how English friends of a certain age were discussing this article, saying they wish the Sussexes would disappear. It’s working on that group on salty Island, at least.

    • Em says:

      But if they disappear what else would your friend group moan about? I mean they’re gathered to discuss an article about people they want to disappear can they see how strange that is ?

      • Calibration says:

        Yeah exactly all this. ITA. We have a specific mutual interest, But our age lends itself to this bs. And they’re all like this about H and M. Even the liberal ones.

      • VS says:

        @Em— exactly!!! some people don’t realize their own lack of consistency….or to be upfront, lack of intelligence! people get together to bitch about people they don’t like while hoping they will disappear!!! people who aren’t elected and whom they can choose to ignore!!!! this has got to be a joke!

      • VS says:


    • VS says:

      why don’t they stop reading anything about them?
      The Beyonce haters == the sussexes haters == the Obamas haters

    • Merricat says:

      Yes, the Sussexes are a thorn in the side of every racist member of the British population. It would be lovely if the racists would just forget about them. That does not mean the rest of the world will follow suit, especially when the Sussexes are actively engaging in global philanthropy. Lol. Racists are so arrogant, and for no good reason.

      • Lady D says:

        That’s the part that gets me, they can’t give you a good/understandable reason for their beliefs. They hum and haw and hedge their words and do manage to say a lot, but no reason comes from what they spout.

    • Myra says:

      Clearly it’s not working as they actually read and discussed the article. Even I don’t discuss the Sussexes with my friends and I love them. For a person to be irrelevant, they either don’t get mentioned on social media or appear in the news. The Sussexes regularly get mentioned on both and they only have a website.

      • VS says:

        @Myra — thank you; it is same thing you see with the Obama, Beyonce and to be honest with the Kardashian/Jenner family….you don’t talk about irrelevant people; you ignore them
        It is as if people blame H&M for their own lack of self-control

      • Calibration says:

        ITA With all you guys, why invest energy in people you can’t stand. It’s like reading Fail comments. But they’re all women over 60, white, middle class. And the anti Sussex pr works on these individuals anyway.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Calibration I’m with you.
        I’ve said this here before, but I cannot stand the Kardashians, and as a result, have never, ever bothered to click on an article about them (maybe once, to see a wedding dress or something). I cannot fathom how and why these people spend hours a day and have accounts and even entire websites dedicated to the Sussexes, who they claim to hate. WTF?

        I mean, fine, it’s their prerogative, and obviously not everyone is going to like the same celebrities, but why on EARTH would you spend so much time and mental energy on them? It really seems like some sort of warped addiction for many of them.

        It seems to me that it would be an *incredibly* frustrating way to spend so much time and energy on. What I can’t comprehend is what they get out of it — they must get something out of it, to have continued this bs for so long? —but I will never, ever get what it could be. Clout with other Sussex haters online is the only thing I can think of, and is that really so fulfilling?! It will forever baffle me.

      • Calibration says:

        Lorelei same. I have never seen the Kardashian tv show once, I avoid most articles and (other than Kim) I can’t tell who is who but that might also be they morph into different people periodically. I would never waste my mental energy bashing them online. i do post criticisms of W and K on articles here but I don’t walk around thinking about them or talking about them to anyone else. All my W and K thought begins and ends on this blog.

        I agree with what was said above, the racism really does infect people. they may not even be ‘racist’ in their lives but if only they could parse how the media portrays meghan. these people aren’t especially monarchists either! but they’re all, the poor Queen, that horrible trashy Meghan. they’ve taken the language onboard without realising.

    • Debbie says:

      Wait, the Sussexes have left England. Yet these English people still read about them more than 1 year later, comment on them, and say (the operative word is “say”) they wish the Sussexes would disappear? Like hell, they do. These English people/friends wouldn’t know what do with themselves if that happened.

    • L4frimaire says:

      @Calibration, What exactly do they mean by “ disappear”. Like Dickensian poverty, move to a yoga retreat in Bali, or “ be disappeared”, military dictatorship junta style? What exactly would that do for them? I noticed since Meghsn married Harry, their are so mny people who want her to suffer or be humiliated, “to wipe the smirk off her face”. It’s frankly disgusting.

  24. MsIam says:

    But the Windsors didn’t just fade into obscurity, which is why we are still talking about them now, lol. The ones who are becoming obscure are those left on Bitter Island. Think about it, more people outside of the UK know who Fergie is than Anne and Sophie. The very fact that Harry and Meghan left and the circumstances they left under means they will be talked about for a very long time. And despite what the UK press may think, most people in the rest of the world don’t think Harry or Meghan did anything wrong.

  25. Sofia says:

    Well they didn’t totally fade into obscurity because 85 years after the abdication, they’re still be talked about. Also with Meghan, it’s been almost 5 years and the British media still has a frenzy about her, so there’s not much fading into obscurity happening right now

    • Deering24 says:

      Bullen is confusing “obscurity” with “notoriety.” Edward and Wallis are always going to be remembered just because the abdication was such a big historical deal. But their “all for love” fairy-tale image has been shattered by reality.

  26. Lizzie says:

    This is as obvious as Sophies ‘Oprah who’ comment. They work way to hard on their fantasy narratives.

  27. Amy Too says:

    Wallis Simpson is Kate Middleton’s #fashiongoals. I could see (have seen) Kate wearing both of those outfits.

    • Nyro says:

      She could wear them because they have a similar body type but Kate doesn’t have the personality and the energy to pull off those outfits.

      • Tessa says:

        Wallis was very petite and probably a smaller dress size. I saw a display of her outfits pre auction.

    • L4frimaire says:

      Kate doesn’t have the style,taste or the carriage to match Wallis Simpson in terms of dress. Simpson was many things but she was not basic.

  28. ABritGuest says:

    I think it’s wishful thinking. I think the documentary maker was the guy who wanted to put together that Invictus concert with Ed Sheeran & Beyoncé for Amazon & was probably the source for the Times claiming Harry had abandoned the concert because of the Netflix deal. He’s also been making lots of William the future king documentaries.

    And you can’t really compare Edward & Wallis to Harry& Meghan as Harry wasn’t an abdicated king, they aren’t dependent on the crown and they live in US with entertainment deals in the biggest media market.

    It will be interesting to see how they develop the philanthropy side of Archewell but they have respected charitable partners already such as WCK who operate globally. And big commercial partner P&G.

    Harry’s Invictus Games is attracting bids from all over the world& Better Up is expanding internationally so both have potential to keep him prolific for a while. If their production company is successful there’s potentially that too. They may not get obsessive tabloid attention (thank goodness) but could be successful players in the entertainment industry.

    Even aside from their work, if British monarchy is still a thing in years to come which the media still uses to get clicks etc, Harry will be the son of a king and the brother of a king. Edward still gets CNN, BBC interviews just because of those links despite being a lower profile working royal & non working royals like Zara & Philip do too. The BBC was helping Philip plug his food festival the other day. Respected publications like the Financial Times will interview former royal Fergie to plug her latest book because of her association.

    And 24 years from her death, Diana is still a big seller & so much of the interest in Harry& William was because they are her sons. If her butler can still pop up on TV in Britain & abroad, what makes people think her son will become obscure (unless he wanted to live out of the limelight completely)? The press interest will move on to Diana’s grandchildren eventually which Harry was always aware of.

    • ABritGuest says:

      meant to say Peter not Philip when talking about non working royals.

      And good points above they have done a lot this year & that’s in a pandemic with a new baby & toddler.

  29. Coco says:

    Wallis: Pals with literal Hitler
    Meghan: Eats avocados

    My God, it’s like they’re twins!

    • iconoclast59 says:

      LOL. I don’t know what’s worse: That the BM makes these absurd comparisons, or that their target audience accepts them unquestioningly.

  30. Cessily says:

    Obviously many British have not grown beyond 1936.. you can’t have an institution run by someone for 70+ years and expect them to be progressive when they were the original reason for so many injustices against humanity.
    Social media has changed the British control of the storyline to fit their narrative. The world only sees a Royal family neck deep in racist and abusive headlines aimed at the Duchess of Sussex to protect the one accused of raping a trafficked minor. The BRF is who needs to fade into obscurity as the relics from the past that they are.

  31. line says:

    It’s ridiculous, first when Wallis begins her relationship with Prince Edward, she was married to Ernest Aldrich Simpson with whom she was madly in love. Being Edward’s mistress fully satisfies her. After Edward’s accession as king of the United Kingdom, the Conservative government of Stanley Baldwin and the entire British establishment wanted to sideline Edward because a monarch who had too much sympathy for Nazi Germany and its leaders was a problem during the war because they could have conveyed important information to the Nazis. Baldwin could not give this reason because it reminds all Britons that The English Royal Family is of German descent George V, the grandfather of Queen Elizabeth, was born of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Most of the Windsors’ cousins ​​were either high Nazi dignitaries or married to Nazi like Prince Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, grandson of Queen Victoria who was a very close friend of Hitler .

    Wallis was the best alibi. No one was unaware that Wallis Simpson had become the mistress of the Heir to the Crown. Wallis, like her lover, formed relationships with many high-ranking Nazi officials who came to power in 1933. Some claiming that she had started a long-term affair with Nazi official Joseph von Ribbentrop when he was German Ambassador to Great Britain in the mid-1930s. Joseph von Ribbentrop who was the person who organized the famous meeting with Hitler.

    Edward himself did not want to become king, the few months of his reign he had shown himself as a lazy and negligent monarch when offering him to abdicate while giving him an annual pension until his death if he renounce the throne (as well as his potential heirs) to make way for his brother,while marrying Wallis. He has this proposal without hesitation. By the way, when Wallis learned of the idiot’s insult.

    Throughout the war after the abdication, Mi5, the British home intelligence agency, continued to monitor the couple. Their phones were tapped and members of their Scotland Yard security team were tapped.

    So they explain to you the parallel that sees between the Sussexes and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, especially when Wallis and Edward lived a life of frivolity and worldliness.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Line: The entire aristocracy were at one point Nazi sympathizers. So the fact that Edward and Wallis were too and her being American were not the reasons why Edward abdicated. As you said he was lazy and thought being King was too much work. Doesn’t bode well for William’s future.

      • Emma says:

        The English aristocrats were white supremacists for sure, but the majority of them were not Nazi sympathizers to the extent that they actually wanted to be conquered and ruled by Nazi Germany. So it became a question of nationalism, and Nazis were the enemy. WW2 is still a huge milestone for England which is celebrated annually.

      • Jaded says:

        @Amy Bee – and let’s not forget the British royal family was originally German. It wasn’t until the third year of WWI that King George V ordered the British royal family to dispense with the use of German titles and surnames, changing the surname of his own family, the decidedly Germanic Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, to Windsor.

      • L4frimaire says:

        @AmyBee, This part. A lot of the British aristocracy were fascinated by the Nazis and their so-called new society between the wars.. Look at the aristocratic Mitford sisters. One of them was an unapologetic fascist until the end of her days. The Daily Mail was very pro Nazi in the 30s. I don’t think it was just anti-communism that attracted them to Nazi ideology either. A really great book to read is “ In the Garden of Beasts” by Eric’s about the US ambassador to Germany during the time the Nazis took over and how twisted and violent Germany became during thst time, and how quickly it happened.

    • Tessa says:

      I saw a documentary about them and he was totally besotted with her, following her around. She treated him badly and would make unflattering comments about him but he liked that. She was “the one” for him. And unlike the other mistresses he had was devoted enough to her to abdicate for her.

  32. Talie says:

    Wishful thinking to say Edward and Wallis faded into obscurity with all the attention they got while they were alive and now in death as well with the books and movies made about them.

    They are nothing like Harry & Meghan – like so vastly different in every way. Also, the big difference is that Wallis & Edward just wanted to be society people – they didn’t want to work period. Edward was raised to be a “gentleman” and not seek any sort of employment. Harry and Meghan want to work and build something.

    • Tessa says:

      I agree. I posted below. I remember well not long ago the miniseries with Anthony Andrews and Jane Seymour as the couple. And on one of the other TV films Olivia de Havilland even played Wallis’ Aunt.

  33. SunRae says:

    It’s truly spectacular. This organisation made itself irrelevant by exiling its biggest stars, including the most popular royal after The Queen, and now they’re looking from the outside in, declaring that things beyond their controlling are happening just so they look like they have the narrative well in hand. Literally no one cares. All eyes, when it comes to the royals, are currently on Montecito. Meghan releasing a pic of Lili’s feet would send them all into a Breaking News clamour so even they know this for the lie it is.

    That said, I think Meghan and Harry are cultivating a different kind of celebrity than they had in the UK. That’s why they’ve been busy hiring big industry names so they can remain behind the scenes. They seem to be aiming for a more elusive Michele and Barack-esque celebrity, which would solve the issue of the daily onslaught Meghan was subjected to while ensuring key doors remain open. Also, Harry is a white prince who ditched all the trapping of white male privilege at a generational scale for his dynamic black wife who has an enviable black book of Hollywood elites… they couldn’t be irrelevant if they tried. Their story alone is the headline. And somewhere down the line… Archie and Lili as US royals.

    The gag is, by being so horrible to them they created the current Harry and Meghan narrative that sees even neutral bystanders rooting for them. I didn’t care about the wedding tbh. I don’t find black folk joining colonial institutions inspirational (sorry). All my girlfriends were on the same boat. It’s the severe treatment and racism that made us rally behind these two. And now a lot of us are card carrying squaddies because the racism was THAT PERSONAL. It’s bigger than M tbh. They don’t seem to get that.

    • Tessa says:

      Princess Margaret who was the “controversial” one in the family never faded into obscurity. She was featured prominently in the Crown for instance. And numerous books about her have appeared. Neither will the Duke an Duchess of Windsor.

  34. Charfromdarock says:

    I’m sure most of the RF wishes they would fade away.

    The BM love that they haven’t and won’t let them far away while there is money to be made off them.

  35. RoyalBlue says:

    There is absolutely no comparison between Meghan and Wallis so note how he conveniently omits that. Meghan is a force for change, Wallis is….. whatever.

    • Tessa says:

      Also, the Windsors had no children. Harry and Meghan are raising a family. I think Wallis is more like Camilla, both being married mistresses of Princes of Wales.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        Yes. He was just triggered by the words divorced, woman and American and drew false equivalency.

  36. BnlurNforever says:

    At this point fading into obscurity is probably Meghan’s dearest wish. I bet Doria wish her daughter would fade into obscurity that way her child could return to her former peaceful successful existence and her mother with her. I bet given the constant threat he’s lived under since the day he was born and now his children, Harry wish he would fade into obscurity and his little family along with him so they could be safe at last.

  37. Rea says:

    Meghan is going to be a panelist in a kids show about cooking and Harry is working on his memoir. It’s ironic these two who are not the future monarchy have more presence and are work ethic than W and K.

    • Snuffles says:

      Wait, what kids cooking show!? I’ve never heard anything about that. She did that in the past but I haven’t heard anything about her doing it again anytime soon.

    • Sofia says:

      Do you have a source for that Meghan stuff because a quick google tells me nothing about it.

    • HeatherC says:

      Meghan WAS a guest judge for Chopped Junior in 2016. I haven’t heard of anything recent.

  38. Liz version 700 says:

    Projecting much? The RR turned two international stars into two international mega-stars. They turned them into solar systems if you will. Harry and Meghan probably dream of being completely anonymous. But they have taken their visibility and constant harassment and turned it into thriving careers. And between Andrew the creeper and William the Incandescent…the Sussexes “star” may outlast the British Monarchy in practical importance. To my mind, H&M already accomplish more than the whole lot of diamond covered racists.

    • Lorelei says:

      The irony is so delicious! Too bad the RF is literally too stupid to see how they look to the rest of the world. It’s incredible, really, that even with their resources they continue to trip over their own damn feet every time they try to walk.

  39. ennie says:

    That’s what they (RF) wanted, but the BM wanted to keep them as fodder.

  40. LRob says:

    I laughed out loud when I saw this. I said elsewhere that these folks need to wake up. H&M are about the work and their family. They love their work and will do it as long as they’re alive, with or without UK media attention. Hasn’t anyone noticed they are as effective in silence and absence as they are when they speaking or appearing publicly? Leave them to it; they’ll be fine.

  41. Tessa says:

    Fade into obscurity?There are countless books and movies about the Windsors. And PBS even called him (with Diana and the Queen Mum) the most popular royals of the 20th century. There were miniseries, TV movies, motion pictures, the works. They never faded into obscurity not by a longshot. There was even a TV movie with Richard Chamberlain and Faye Dunaway as the DUke and Duchess. And miniseries with Anthony Andrews and Jane Seymour. And they were popular. He wrote an autobiography A King’s STory and she wrote one called the Heart Has ITs Reasons, both bestsellers.

  42. aquarius64 says:

    Wait until the Lifetime movie comes out this weekend about Escaping the Palace. Dollar bet the Windsors, the Markles , and the BM is going to come out looking the worst.

  43. Tessa says:

    It is also not mentioned but Philip’s sisters were married to Nazis and sympathizers. His surviving sisters did not attend his wedding to Princess Elizabeth.

  44. Tessa says:

    Harry was never the “golden boy”. I don’t get this article. William was the GOlden Prince and the “Best hope of the Monarchy” and Harry was “mischievous” (this was even the subject of a People Magazine cover in the early 2000). William and Edward were direct heirs to the throne and paid attention to the most. And there was no “glow” about Edward after he married Wallis. They married privately and Edward wrote later he got a telegram from his brother saying Wallis could not have the HRH, which put a damper on things.

  45. Harper says:

    So irrelevant that in 2021 they still cannot stop talking about what the Windsors did in 1936. The parallel with the Windsors/Sussexes is only just in that Edward’s abdication directly affected Elizabeth and formed her “no abdication, rule until I croak” pledge and that is why we still have a monarchy steeped in the tradition of the 1930s. Likewise, Harry’s dipping out of the Royal family will create future uncertainty for the Cambridge kids. Even if none of the future heirs bolt, the fear that one of the Cambridges will pull a Harry and set up in the USA will affect Will & Kate massively. Those Cambridge kids can now use “pulling a Harry” as leverage to get what they want or get out of what they don’t want and Will will forever blame Harry for causing that dynamic in the family. The abdication and Sussexit are both seminal events that rocked the royal boat even though they are an apples to oranges comparison.

    • Tessa says:

      The Queen Mother was concerned. But nevertheless Charles, a divorced man got to marry a divorced woman with a living ex husband and remain in line of succession. Charles apparently got the rules changed.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The Queen Mum wanted David for herself, as she was a real party girl herself. She settled for Bertie because she couldn’t catch David’s eye. That’s part of why she was so anti-Wallis all along. Jealousy.

        Charles didn’t get any rules changed. The Church of England changed its own rules, based on the fact that over 40 percent of marriage in the UK end in divorce. With dwindling membership, lost revenues, and looking at a non-existent future? The Church has to move with the times. That included the change in 2002, that divorced persons with living ex-spouses can marry in CoE with the local vicar’s approval. Charles didn’t mastermind that.

        Margaret was going to be allowed to stay in the line of succession if she married Townsend. Any children from that marriage wouldn’t be, but Margaret would.

    • Debbie says:

      I think it’s highly unlikely that any Cambridge kid would leave like Harry. However, even if any of them left royal life they would NOT come to America. Harry did that because he was married to an American citizen primarily.

  46. Tessa says:

    And ca. 1998, the Windsor estate was sold and got a lot of attention. The “wedding cake” slice auctioned was the subject of a Seinfeld Episode.”

  47. HK9 says:

    Fade into obscurity? They wish.

  48. Lizzie says:

    Well if the Duke of Windsor’s book didn’t sell will in 1951 Harry’s memoir is doomed. This kind of logic is why the royal family continually fail.

    Speaking of obscurity did anyone see how many twitter comments said ‘There’s an Edward?’ after the story that Charles isn’t giving him the DoE title.

    • Tessa says:

      As I recall based on my own research,
      the books did well. Her book, the Heart has Its Reasons also did. There was a great deal of interest in them, and they appeared in the media a lot and in popular magazines of the time. First editions are expensive of these books. On Amazon a copy is offered for over 900 (for her book) and over 550 (for his book).

  49. AmelieOriginal says:

    At this point, Prince George will be king and the media will still be talking about Harry and Meghan lol, even after they have died. Plus with all their powerful friends like Oprah, others will make sure that they are still talked about.

  50. Lorelei says:

    I will never understand why the BRF cannot ever, for even a moment, pause and step back to look at the big picture here. Because after Sussexit, Harry and Meghan could have easily chosen a different path, one that would have made them a metric sh!t-ton of money extremely quickly, with very little effort, and one that would have caused untold, irreparable damage to the monarchy.

    H&M each could have made millions upon millions of dollars if they wrote true tell-all memoirs, tearing the family to shreds simply by telling the truth. Expose everything they know about Bill’s infidelity and the foundation’s shady practices. Everything they know about the lengths the family goes to in order to protect Andrew, and lots of dirt on the Middletons. They could probably stretch it out into two of three books each, and make enough money to be set for life.

    They could have taken every single opportunity they were offered to appear in paid interviews to trash the family, no matter how tacky the show or host (I’m thinking crap like Dr. Phil, lol), if all they cared about was $$$. Harry probably would have hosted SNL by now, and they wouldn’t miss a Met Gala. They’d not only be making enough money to last the rest of their lives, but they’d also be getting some very satisfying revenge on the people who’ve been tormenting them for years.

    They could then take all of their money and still live in their amazing Montecito home, doing absolutely nothing besides lounging poolside, attending parties, and getting papped shopping and exiting fancy restaurants, etc. They would never have to work another day in their lives or give away a single penny of their fortunes. And tbh, not many people would have blamed them, after what the BRF and the British press put them through. Many people in their position would have done exactly this.

    But because of the type of people they are, they chose a completely different path, one focused on philanthropy. They’ve been relatively quiet about what really happened behind closed doors from 2016-2020, giving only the single interview to Oprah, and even then, holding A LOT back. Meghan named no names except to say that the Queen was wonderful (I strongly disagree!), that Kate was a “nice person,” and Fergie had helped her learn to curtsy the correct way one time. They could have DESTROYED the BRF — and we know that Meghan keeps receipts — but they’ve clearly made the conscious choice
    *to not do that.*

    One would think that the Windsors might be grateful, realize they got off easy, and STFU?? Unfortunately for them, they’re too petty and short-sighted, and positively blinded by jealousy, so all they’ve accomplished by continuing with the smears is making the Sussexes more and more visible and popular on a global scale.

    They’ve continued conspiring with the gutter press to antagonize Harry on a daily freaking basis, and eventually they’ll push him to his breaking point. Everyone has one, and if Harry reaches his, they’re fcked. It almost seems like that’s what they want, because there’s no other good explanation for their behavior. Is their hatred for the Sussexes stronger than their own desire to succeed? Because imo that’s sure how it looks.

  51. Susie says:

    I think it’s very obvious that some people want this to happen but forget that the eras, context, media and most importantly deference to royalty is just soooooo different that really no one knows what’s gonna happen. After WW2 and then the death of Bertie and the rise of the young Queen meant the clan was super popular. It was easy to maintain focus on the queen and her main family no one cared about an old couple that the establishment wanted ignored. The duke and duchess had no kids or organizations and despite that they were still very popular socialites especially outside of the UK. Right now Harry and Meg have major cool factor. Celebs consider them celebs and want to meet them like the obamas. Eventually as things cool down they will lose some relevance but that’s just growing old in this media environment where youth rules. The kids (both sets) becoming adults is a bigger problem for the Cambridge. The Cambridge’s have been losing relevance since before Louis and really their current attention is solely as foils to the Sussex or marriage rumours. Years from now they will be the equivalent of Charles (maybe a bit higher due to be Diana’s son). And after their deaths they will still come second place (probably only remembered as Diana’s son and maybe the last king) to the Sussex’s, though Diana will rule them all. Also while the stans obv want to win the popularity contests and the Cambridge’s believe they are entitled to popularity, do the Sussex’s actually care. Obviously ego (all celebs want fame it’s fine and not a negative) means they want to maintain their popularity but will they care especially Meg if they are only in the press once every few years instead of constantly like right now. They will never lose their ticket to whatever they want no matter how old they get they are just too famous, prestigious and connected for that. They just won’t be trending every month and I don’t think they would mind the way the Cambridge’s are desperate for attention now.

  52. L4Frimaire says:

    Side note but this annoys the hell out of me. So after 60+ years of the modern feminist movement, women having more economic power and being the primary breadwinner in many households, no fault divorce and communal property, the whole 70s and early 80s when 50% of marriages ended in divorce, this guy referred to Meghan as a divorcée? Even though 3 of the queens children are divorced, including the next King. Save me from this backwards sexist BS. Also, how can they say the fascist Windsors faded into obscurity if they’re still mentioned constantly, books are still written about them, documentaries and films still made about them, the royals are apparently still traumatized by the abdication and they still behave like they have imposter syndrome. As for Harry and Meghan, everyone has a season and this right now is theirs. The future will take care of itself.

    • Debbie says:

      That’s a good point that is not stated often enough about everyone having a season. The misbegotten speaker in the article speaks as if the other royals are immune to faded interest, and that it’s only something that affects M&H. In his haste to fluff up the English royals and put down the Montecito royals, he leaves all reason behind. Boy, jealousy and resentment does seem to stultify the mind.

  53. Kelsey says:

    How can they fade into obscurity if they’re still being reported on for breathing, even when not saying or doing any thing?

    Lol they will never fade away because the same people who “hate” them won’t stop talking about them!

    And the more people hate on them for no reason the more I want them to stay relevant! HA! Living your best life is the best revenge.

  54. notasugarhere says:

    Just as Meghan is not Wallis, Harry is not Uncle David.

    If you want to see the Windsor equivalent of David, see William. Same entitled, lazy, petulant, selfish manchild completely unsuited to the throne. Born 88 years and two days apart.

  55. iconoclast59 says:

    “The truth is, I think Edward was happy enough to step away from the throne. He is sometimes portrayed as a man who lived with regrets, that he wished he could have continued as king. But I think he was actually pretty comfortable with his decision. And that’s something we tend to forget about him. He wasn’t a man who was sitting in Paris longing to be back on the throne.”

    Say what? I don’t think this is true at all. While Edward clearly didn’t want to do the WORK of being king (like a certain FFK we all know), he obviously enjoyed the title and the perks. I think the abdication was deeply humiliating for Edward; he just didn’t show it because of the “stiff upper lip,” “never explain, never complain” ethos of the BRF. And I remember reading somewhere that part of his and Wallis’ cozying up to Hitler involved a plot to reinstall him as king once the Nazis overthrew Great Britain, a plan with which Edward was a-okay.

    • Tessa says:

      I don’t think Edward was planning to overthrow the monarchy and work with Hitler. That would have been treason, he would have gone on trial and either imprisoned or executed.The “idea” of his being reinstalled could have been appealing to him, arguably.. But Wallis and Edward visited Germany in 1938 and were pictured with him. But within the context of the times, this was the year of Chamberlain’s policy of appeasement with Hitler and his claiming “Peace in Our Time.” If Edward was a true danger his brother would never have sent him to Nassau to represent the Crown. And he surely would be barred from visiting Queen Mary forever.. I don’t think there was an actual “plot” with Edward’s active participation. The US would never have let him reside in the US if there was any evidence of this plot and Edward’s active participation He and Wallis did a stupid thing going there and tipping their hand by their visit to Germany. But I don’t think the man was an active participant. Hitler may have wanted to force Edward’s hand and set him up as a Puppet Monarch, but I think this would not have lasted and he may have had Edward executed once he really took over.

  56. Debbie says:

    First of all, I would be remiss if I didn’t say “What the hell is a Nick Bullen?” By the way, I had to scroll back up to get the name because I forgot it completely by the time I scrolled down to submit a comment. I kid you not.

    Anyway, this sounds very much like the British press in their ex-boyfriend role of “If I can’t have you, no one will have you.” Meaning, if the BM can no longer make money off of the Sussexes, no one should. Or when an old discarded boyfriend says that if you leave him, no one else will want the GF. Yeah. Someone should tell that Nick Bullen thing that if he intends to use the BM’s “irrelevant” talking point, it would sound a lot more convincing if he weren’t making a whole documentary about M & H. But I’m guessing, much like an unrequited (and obsessed) suitor, he thoroughly enjoys reviewing old pictures & stories of M & H in preparation for his documentary, and talking to media about the couple after making the documentary.

  57. MerryGirl says:

    The comparisons begin and end with they both married divorced American women. That is all.

  58. Mooney says:

    They’re seriously deluding themselves if they think that the camb kids will dominate the world stage. They barely make front pages now. Unless they have juicy scandals to offer, nobody would know their names.