The Cambridges ‘feel very overlooked’ in London, thus the move to Windsor

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Katie Nicholl is back at Vanity Fair! I was worried that she got pushed out, but she manages to consistently deliver some “exclusives” on the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Almost as if she has some kind of inside track with the Middleton PR operation, weird!! One of Nicholl’s latest exclusives for Vanity Fair is a confirmation of a story the Mail on Sunday ran this past weekend. The story? That William and Kate would like to move to Windsor, that their country home (Anmer Hall) is too far away, and that Kate is desperate to be closer to her mummy. Nicholl ended up spilling some tea about the possible move as well:

Moving out of Kensington Palace?? For months, Prince William and Kate Middleton have been rumored to be planning to move out of the Kensington Palace palace apartment they inherited from Princess Margaret. Though various countryside locations have reportedly been considered, Vanity Fair can confirm that a move to Windsor is on the table and the idea has already been floated by Queen Elizabeth. “William and Kate are very seriously considering a move to Windsor, and it has been discussed with the Queen,” said a royal source. “There are options at Windsor Castle, which is vast, and being close to the Queen, who is 95, makes sense to the family.”

They’ll stay at KP, actually, even though they feel overlooked: The royal insider adds that the couple will also keep their apartment in Kensington Palace, which was renovated in 2013 at a cost of £12 million. “William and Kate have been talking to their close friends about leaving Kensington Palace where they feel very overlooked,” the source said. “It will remain their official London base, but they prefer being in the countryside and the commute to London would be very easy.”

They’re thinking about King Charles’ reign: “Since Prince Philip’s death, the future of the monarchy is a topic of conversation. Plans are being drawn up for the next reign and the Cambridges making a move to Windsor is one of those plans,” the royal source said. Windsor Castle, which is about one hour from London, was the queen’s weekend home for years, but became her primary residence at the beginning of the pandemic, and Philip was buried there after his April funeral.

The Cambridges know the move will have an impact on the kids: The royal source said that the Cambridges are looking at the positives of the move outside of their royal duties, though they acknowledge the impact the move might have on Prince George, Princess Charlotte, and Prince Louis. “It would mean the children changing schools, which is an upheaval, but it has many advantages too,” they said. “Kate will be closer to her parents in Berkshire, and they can easily commute to London whilst enjoying the countryside for most of the time.”

[From Vanity Fair]

Very, very interesting. First of all, the rumors were *never* about William and Kate leaving KP. The rumors were always about the Keens getting a third home in addition to KP and Anmer Hall. Weird that Nicholl would even mention a rumor that doesn’t exist, unless the point is that William and Kate would actually keep KP as a singular residence for one of them (William) while the other lived in Windsor (Kate).

If they’re looking ahead to the reign of King Charles, then surely they would want to be in London? Charles has already said that he wants to live in Clarence House and use St. James Palace and Buckingham Palace as offices and entertaining spaces. Meaning, Charles’ power base will absolutely be London, not Windsor. Why would “thinking about Charles’ reign” immediately go to “the Keens must move to Windsor”? That’s not how access to power works. Especially if William and Kate are “feeling very overlooked”!!!! How about that little tidbit? Why would they move to Windsor if they were feeling overlooked? And why do they feel overlooked? Is it because they’re lazy, apathetic and dull? Is it because Charles and the Queen genuinely overlook them because they’re so spoiled and idiotic? So many questions.

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  1. Kitty says:

    Did you guys hear about another of Kate’s patronages closed down?

    • Lili says:

      Yeah i think its called EACH, they need 2million to keep the doors open. she should be fundrasing or something

      • OriginalLala says:

        oh shit, isn’t that the children’s hospice in Norfolk? thats so sad.

      • Iris says:

        Wait, isn’t EACH the one she worked on with Rose Hanbury?

      • Cessily says:

        Maybe the focus needs to be on the overlooked patronage’s and not on the overindulgence of privileged incompetence and entitlement.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        EACH was struggling for a while. They announced months ago they were slimming down their functions from lack of funding. Also, the Royal Foundation is sitting on funds for EACH and have been since the formation of the foundation.

        This is the 2nd or 3rd charity of Kate’s that has closed doors.

      • goofpuff says:

        ugh – thats the charity where Kate just skipped out on her responsibilities and they had to call in Ed Sheeran I think to bail them out. That’s awful for EACH and Kate should be ashamed.

      • JT says:

        EACH held an auction as well where celebrities like Ed Sheeran and Cate Blanchette donated items. It raised $150,000. Kate donated nothing.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ goofpuff, if I was KKKeen Guevara, I would be hanging my face in shame to have failed so greatly if any of my patronage’s had to close down.

        What exactly do TOBB and KKKen Guevara bring to the taxpayers? When will the public start questioning their existence or the consistent need to suck the countries dry for zero return?

      • Lizzie says:

        But hey she gets to go to tennis and she has Philips yacht club. No time for hospice. Agee with BothSidesNow, she should hang her head in shame. Maybe this is why she’s been benched recently.
        Adding the queen should also hang her head in shame for giving this do nothing ANY recognition.

      • February-Pisces says:

        Gawd that’s awful. Even sadder that their patron saint Keen Guevara didn’t do a damn thing to help. Seriously what is the point of her, I can’t believe people are still propping this woman up when she has done absolutely nothing for her country.

      • Cessily says:

        Is there a list of failed or declining Royal patronage’s?

      • Lizzie says:

        And the queen made a point of saying Harry wasn’t a working royal so couldn’t live a life devoted to service. I get madder the more I think about this. Take away keens HRH and the Grand Dame Cross of the Royal Victorian Order.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Cessily: if there isn’t such a list, there sure should be!

    • Nic919 says:

      Just to be clear EACH did not close down completely but they did have to shut down two of their offices. If they had a patron of any value then there would have been enough fundraising money to avoid this, but Kate is useless as a patron and Rose can only do so much.

      • JT says:

        What William’s charity polo match the was supposed to raise funds for the Royal Foundation? He allegedly raised $500,000. Why couldn’t some of that money be used for EACH? Where the hell does that foundation money go?

      • North of Boston says:

        I think the Sussexes were asking that same question JT, ages ago … right before they set up a separate fundraising fund to manage monies raised for their patronages.

      • Sid says:

        JT, the money is definitely funny when it comes to the Royal Foundation and what they do with the funds. Something in the milk ain’t clean there.

      • windyriver says:

        The Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, of which Jason Knauf is still listed as CEO? How could anything funny possibly be going on there?/sarcasm

    • Lizzie says:

      I guess they never put one and one together and figure out if they really work for their patronage’s they wouldn’t be overlooked. They really are both the dumbest of the rf.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Wow, didn’t hear this. I know there were issues hence why Rose Hanbury was fundraising for me but if its true that the RF is sitting on money that should have been given to them then they need to be exposed over that.

      Given how long it took the RF to give Harry the Invictus money – makes you wonder what is really going on with the money in that foundation? I wonder what scathing comments the auditor will be making this year – it seems that every year there are ‘do better’ comments on the RF from the auditors that keep being ignored.

      • JT says:

        There is no reason why the Royal Foundation couldn’t have gave some money to EACH. Someone on Twitter said that they needed about $50,000 to keep the doors open for the rest of the year. It’s such a small amount. Meanwhile, the Keens are allegedly sitting on $500,000 raised a few weeks ago and did nothing.

    • Debbie says:

      I guess it’s too hard for the British media to keep up with how one-by-one Keen’s patronages keep closing down. They are far too busy counting bathrooms in Montecito, CA. I admire the way the BM is laser-focused on criticizing Meghan’s 40×40 program while casting a blind eye to Kate’s inattention to patronages. Now that’s what I call journalism.

    • Ms Van Der Boom says:

      I posted below but I looked at her patronages and compared that with her last year of ‘work’ via the court circular, and it looked to me that at least 8 of her patronages didn’t get any contact with her at all – not even a zoom call or phone call. She only has 20 something patronages. The vast majority of her busy-work is “meetings with Jason Knauf” or “meetings for Early Years” which seems like code for ‘gotta pump up those numbers if we’re about to get our 3rd enormous mansion / castle / estate’.

  2. Zapp Brannigan says:

    Do they feel “overlooked” as in forgotten about, or overlooked as in someone is reporting back to the palaces about wandering sceptres and shenanigans in the media being leaked and one palace is losing patience with the buffoonery? I’m rambling, I need coffee.

    • ItReallyIsYou,NotMe k8 says:

      I thought that was strange too. I don’t despise Kate and tend to be a Keen defender, but the idea that the Cambridges are overlooked in terms of not getting enough attention from the media is ridiculous. They get massive amounts of media attention as the heir + wife, and always will get as much attention as they want to give access. If this is their point, it sounds whiny and completely out of touch. I thought maybe they were talking about Charles not taking seriously giving them a real role in his reign.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @it’sreallynotyou: I think they get a lot of support from the press but it doesn’t always translate to media attention. Kate is not always on the front pages when she does an engagement like Meghan was and not all the papers publish her photos of the children when they’re released.

      • goofpuff says:

        The thing is that the Cambridges could be front page and center if they actually did things because they are a young couple with more media interest than their elders. They have so much capacity in their positions to do a lot of good. Help their charities, be out there doing more work and making speeches WAAAY more than they’re doing. It’s just disappointing they don’t even work as close to any of their elder relatives.

        So much opportunity wasted with the Cambridges.

      • Amy Too says:

        I think they mean overlooked as in watched. People can too easily see what they’re up to and their comings and goings. They feel on display in London. That’s the definition that makes sense when the very next sentence is “They prefer being in the countryside.”

      • Couch potato says:

        I agree @Amy Too. They mean watched, but I don’t think it’s just about people seeing their coming and goings. I think shit has hit the fan and theres been a showdown behind closed doors. The bullying investigation and maybe report, their racism being exposed and the Cams lazyness have made someone realise how horrible the smear has backfired on the RF, and their reputation. I think they want away from Chaz and be closer to the queen, to use/manipulate her.

      • Carolind says:

        William and Kate are NOT the heir and wife. Charles and Camilla are the heir and wife.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @ Zapp Brannigan, I will have to start drinking booze in the morning to stomach this endless dribble of ineptitude, incompetency, selfishness and utter jealousy to get through the antics of these two….

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @ goofpuff, but you missed the factor that TOBB and KKKeen Guevara need to want to work in the needed capacity for their patronage’s or contribute to any real work. The Lambridges have always, consistently and historically, refused the necessary work to bring the attention and needed funding for their patronage’s or any worthwhile project. They are perfectly happy living off of everyone else’s dime and not having to show anything for it.

    • Esmerelda says:

      Overlooked by the Queen and her courtiers, maybe.
      Andy lived in Windsor and has always had Mummy’s ear, Will wants that before the Queen leaves this mortal plane, so he can amass power directly from the primary source and have a readymade power base and court, full of old loyalists and in the seat of the old, popular monarch.
      Charles will be an unpopular King in London, William will be a more popular King-in-waiting in Windsor (cue “where his grandmother gave him Excalibur” and such)
      Kate can eff off to Berkshire as needed, with minimal fuss, too. But the children, crucially, will be raised in court by the old courtiers. It’s a deal with the devil.

      • Galisteo says:

        That is my take too Esmerelda. They feel they don’t have constant access to the Queen. Andrew is nearby at Royal Lodge. Edward and Sophie – who made it very known how close they are. Anne is close, the Queen visits her home. Saw a recent photo of the Queen sitting with Anne on her sofa, at Gatcombe Park. We heard the Queen would visit, or vice versa, when Meghan & Harry were living at Frogmore. The Power Base is the Queen.

      • Emma says:

        That’s it exactly. Charles and William are at odds so they’re forming separate courts.

      • Amy Too says:

        Emma, I think they’re seriously setting themselves up as like “co-king” and “co-Queen” during Charles’ reign if they move into Windsor Castle (and not just into one of the houses on the greater Windsor Estate). If Charles is going to be in BP and CH and such, and the Queen is going to be dead, then the Cambridges are going to basically be the main residents of Windsor Castle. They’re claiming it as their own even before they’ve ascended, even before it’s officially theirs. It’s supposed to belong to and be used by the actual monarch, but they’re sneaking in early and then claiming it as theirs once the Queen dies.

        They’re positioning themselves as a literal rival court, not just as a little independently operating off-shoot of Charles’ court. That’s what’s happening now with the Queen at the top and Charles with his own offices and PR department independently running out of CH and the Keens with their own offices and PR department running out of KP, but the Queen is still THE Queen. She gets Buckingham Palace AND Windsor Castle (and all her other estates) and she lives in them both BECAUSE she is the monarch and that’s where the monarch is supposed to live. She is the MAIN resident of Windsor Castle and everyone else is staying there in apartments at her pleasure. But Will and Kate are seriously trying to position themselves as the top family at Windsor Castle once she dies, the King and Queen of Windsor Castle. They won’t just be one of the many different families with apartments in Windsor Castle, they will likely be moving themselves into the Queen’s bedroom once she dies, basically taking over as monarch there, and because of the weird father-son relationship and the fact that everyone coddles William, I highly doubt that Charles is ever going to come stay there and claim it as his own while the Cambridges are in residence there. Will won’t allow it.

    • myjobistoprincess says:

      What does it even mean to feel overlooked in KP? I have no idea.
      They pass by people and people dont nod at them in KP? Papers dont talk about them because they go MIA for months and do nothing? What does that have to do with KP? Their team are such bad lyers and come up with the worst excuses that dont even make sense. Those people have no idea how to read a room, they are so disconnected to everything.

      • Amy Too says:

        I think it’s “overlooked” as in “can be easily viewed” like “the balcony overlooks the pond.” There are too many prying eyes in London watching what they’re up to. They want more privacy. I don’t think it’s the “taken for granted” type of meaning in this instance.

      • Lorelei says:

        @MyJob: it’s pretty ballsy of them to claim they’re “overlooked” since they’ve been on vacation and completely out of sight since JUNE.
        If they were actually out there doing things, there would be more media coverage. This is literally as simple as 1+1=2, but they’re too dim to realize it. This article only reminds people of the fact that they haven’t been seen in AGES, and no one knows whereTF they’ve even been all summer.

        @AmyToo I have no doubt that they’ll begin redecorating before Liz’s body is even cold. Kate’s probably already working on her inspiration board or whatever and collecting possible paint swatches.

      • Lorelei says:

        (duplicate post, sorry, please delete!)

      • myjobistoprincess says:

        Then what is it about Windsor that would make them NOT feel overlooked. Or maybe overlooked means watched upon like Amy mentions higher up?

      • LMR says:

        Ahhh. So “overlooked” must mean that people are starting to pay more attention to the helicopter.

    • JanetDR says:

      @Zapp and Amy Too that was my take also.

    • North of Boston says:

      Oh good point!

      I’d immediately jumped to “WTF? They want more attention and feel like they aren’t getting enough notice?”

      But it could be that they feel like they have too much oversight and courtiers, staff around them watching and sharing what they do and say with … someone.

  3. Julia K says:

    Royal Lodge? Would be the right size for 3 growing children. What about Andrew and Fergie?

    • Sofia says:

      He’s got a legal lease on it so unless William (or Charles) buy him out of it, he’s there for life. And even if they offered him money, he would probably complain to mummy about it who could shut Charles and William down.

      • Julia K says:

        Thanks for the info. What happens to the lease if Andrew dies?

      • twoz says:

        @Julia K Don’t Beatrice and Eugenie inherit it?

      • Cessily says:

        @juliek from everything I have read the lease transfers to his heirs which I assume will be his daughters.. (also the 70 or 75 year lease from what I have read has been paid in full so to give up the lease would take a lot.)

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Julia K, I believe I’ve read from other posters in the know that it will go to Beatrice and Eugenie. He and Fergie aren’t married (yet) so who knows about her.

      • Kalana says:

        They could force him out in return for Palace help with his legal problems. The Queen won’t live forever.

      • Eurydice says:

        @Cessily – I read somewhere that he doesn’t have to pay any rent on the lease because he paid for the renovations.

      • Fawsia says:

        William doesn’t have money or power as of now, but he has too many reporters who spread his gossip! He can’t buy Andrew while he is still getting stipend from his dad!

      • notasugarhere says:

        They cannot force him out legally and he will not go quietly without a massive cash payout and future guarantees. Fergie, Beatrice, and Eugenie inherit the long, pre-paid lease when he dies.

    • Lila says:

      @JULIA K The Royal Lodge lease goes to his daughters when Andy passes away.

    • Carty says:

      I saw one article throw out Frogmore House, the one where HnM wedding reception was, not the dumpy servant quarters they gave them.

      • Cessily says:

        You mean that they leased to them until 3/22 for the cost of the lease and £2.4m for structural and scheduled refurbishing.. they were not given anything but expected to pay a great cost especially if compared to the almost century long lease of PA … (read he paid under £8m for the entire lease if that is wrong let me know)

  4. Persephone says:

    I’m sorry, I saw this headline and cackled. The photo of Baldimort and his middle tooth didn’t help…

    • lanne says:

      I cackled and went, TEEFS! TEEFS! like the immature brat I am!

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ Ianne, I think I stand with you in the immature brat crowd!! Look at those tttteeeffffff………
        It is enough to put me off of food for a week!!! Imagine looking at that thing as you eat…🤢. Hell, even his face is enough to put my off of solids for a week!

      • Over it says:

        Me too because that picture always makes me laugh out loud

  5. Moderatelywealthy says:

    They are basically admitting two things 1) they are attention whores and want more of it and 2) f**k the children if it means the parents will get more screen time. Big G, Middle C and Little L interests are not their parents primary concern. Who cares if they will lose friends by moving schools?

    Also, conversations about the future Charles reign sounds a lot like William trying to figure out what to do about the Prince if Wales conundrum- Kkkate ir no Kkate?

    • Jasper says:

      Same thing I noticed. That little aside at the end that the children may have to change schools but it would be better for Kate was telling.

      • ModeratelyWealthy says:

        Yep. I have been saying that Kate is a good mother insofar she spends time with her children and makes informed ( sometimes wrong IMO, but informed) decisions about their education, but ultimately, she is more concerned about their futures as members of the royal family than she is as they actually being happy.

        Charlotte being held at home when she could have gone to school just to make George company, the whole thing about forcing George into Litlle Lord Flaunteroy clothes and staying up late for a football match, now the matter of their convenience being a priority, not their childrens routines…

        It could also be about George. When he changes schools, his younger siblings do not get to keep their routines because they are less important …

        anyway, I think it os baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad for a early years enthusiast

      • Nic919 says:

        They sell Kate as a good mother only because the previous generations only visited their kids for a few minutes a day with the nanny present. But Kate is in no way as hands on as any regular woman.

  6. girl_ninja says:

    All that backstabbing and harassment of your brother an his wife Willy and for what? What a sad life.

  7. Sofia says:

    Perhaps by “overlooked” it means that HM doesn’t pay enough attention to W&K and they’re hoping that if they move closer to her, she will notice them. But I would think that if HM wanted to notice them, she would have already, no matter how far they are.

    I also said this before but I wonder if the move to Windsor has been in the cards for a while hence why they removed KensingtonRoyal from their Instagram name – because they’re no longer going to have offices in Kensington?

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Sofia: You bring up a good point about not getting attention from Queen. I think it’s true and part of the reason why William decided to smear Harry and Meghan. They had a closer relationship with the Queen and William was jealous about that.

    • Harper says:

      The Cambridges have no cute stories about the Queen sending waffle makers to George, or Philip slamming shut his laptop when his FaceTime was over, so I am sure that was horribly triggering to the poor Cambridge snowflakes.

      But seriously. Overlooked? How about the Queen has washed her hands of Tantrum Bill and Hyena Kate and prefers the distance.

      • Debbie says:

        Oh no, Harper. As Glenn Close said in Fatal Attraction, they’re not going to be ignored.

        She may not have bunnies but, if I were the queen, I’d watch my corgies.

    • ShazBot says:

      I agree – all the stories of the past little while from Harry and Meghan, the Wessexes and the York’s of how they’re all super close to the Queen. William wants in on that action.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ ShazBot, yes!! TOBB is in utter disbelief that anyone, other than his grandiose ass of attention whoring, cannot fathom the fact that TQ sees Harry with greater respect. TOBB will not be outshined, outsmarted or out respected than him in regards to TQ. Only Pedo Andy is in his way right now.

      • JT says:

        @Sofia I think you’re correct on why they changed their Instagram handle; they’ve been planning this move from some time now and it’s finally starting to get rolled out. The formal separation is probably taking place, so that marriage must be in the gutter if true. I don’t even think that the separate lives arrangement will last for too long. It’s definitely not going to be a Liz and Phil separation. It worked for Betty because she and her husband had some respect for each other. William can hardly look at Kate when she speaks. I think they’ll be another Charles and Diana. This might be the calm before the storm.

    • Becks1 says:

      @Sofia good point about the name change, maybe they have been long planning on leaving KP. But that just strikes me as dumb bc KP is in London, where the kids go to school, where most of their work is (“work”) and they already have Anmer.

      It really does make me think we all are right with our speculation about a separation.

      • Sofia says:

        Well W&K and their team aren’t known for making smart decisions. They don’t do much “work” anyways and the pandemic means they can put a lot of it online aka Zoom meetings so they physically don’t need to be there. If they do, they’ve got helicopters. And yes the issue of the kids’ school remains but if W&K decide to move, the kids’ will just go to new schools.

        And as for Anmer, I wouldn’t be surprised if they move out. They’re the laughing stock of the aristocracy so no point in being in a place where you aren’t liked or wanted. So perhaps KP becomes the “holiday home” and Windsor becomes the new KP aka main residence/offices.

    • Lorelei says:

      The Queen will make it her business to see and talk to whoever she wants to see and talk to. If in fact the Cambridges only see or hear from her rarely, that in and of itself speaks volumes.

      But of course, of COURSE they’re too idiotic to realize that publishing this only serves to let the entire world know that they barely see the Queen— the exact opposite of the impression they want to give. God they are just so bad at this!! It’s incredible.

  8. Amy Bee says:

    LOL. You know when Katie says the Cambridges feel overlooked they mean the Sussexes are overshadowing them. I think the move to Windsor is really about getting some attention from the press as well as providing a story. There’s not much William and Kate can feed the press when Harry and Meghan are not in the UK and don’t speak to them. It also means that within the next year George will probably be going to boarding school.

    • windyriver says:

      The bit about “being close to the queen…makes sense to the family” suggests to me too they are jealous of the fact, and certainly the perception, that Harry has a good relationship with her (e.g., reports of her driving over to see Harry, approving use of her nickname for their daughter) and want to a) interfere with that somehow; and/or b) get a bit of that shine for themselves. I’m sure it’s far from the only reason, but that’s what popped into my head with that particular sentence.

      Interestingly, believe someone on here has mentioned a couple of times that Charles doesn’t like BP, and would prefer his base be Windsor and CH, though whether he’d be able to make that happen is uncertain

    • Lorelei says:

      @AmyBee lmao if they think that moving to Windsor, or really anywhere, will prevent them from being overshadowed by the Sussexes.
      They could move to the moon and there would still be more stories about Harry and Meghan the day their spaceship launched.

  9. equality says:

    Why mention the cost of renovating KP but not the cost of Anmer, the country residence they already have? If it is looking forward to Charles being king then why not a residence in Cornwall since Will would supposedly be running that duchy? Why not give up KP and have their offices in BP since Charles isn’t going to use it as a residence? That would save money for taxpayers. The bottom line is they want a third residence and will commute to London increasing security needs and their carbon footprint. Not very impressive for Mr. Earthshot.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @ equality, I wonder I’d olé Chucky is going to allow ol’e Baldimort close to any of the Duchy’s daily operations/money, mostly the money, for that matter.

      As for impressive, I think that TOBBs and KKKeen Guevara’s boat of impressive actions or projects sailed about 10 years ago….

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Anmer Hall is the personal property of QEII so technically any money spent on Anmer Hall renovations should be private.

      With respect to Kensington Palace , the offices and private accommodation areas of the Palace remain the responsibility of the Royal Household and are maintained by the Royal Household Property Section. Translation: upkeep and renovations were/are paid for by the Sovereign Grant.

      • equality says:

        Isn’t Frogmore Cottage the same as KP as far as maintenance? So why all the yelling for H&M to pay for renovations even before they left?

      • Lorelei says:

        @Equality, agreed, but at least it mentioned the costs of renovating KP. Baby steps!

        I never quite understand when people refer to their “personal” money. As if the Queen has a savings from working at an actual paying job before becoming Queen. As far as I can tell (and by no means am I an expert here!), isn’t the only truly “personal” wealth they have whatever the married-ins like the Queen’s mother and Diana brought to the family? None of them have ever worked a day in their lives to personally earn so much as one thin dime and neither did any of their ancestors; it’s all been taxpayer funded for decades. They act as if the Queen can dip into the stash of savings she has from her previous job of flipping burgers or something.

        If anyone can explain how on god’s green earth they have truly personal wealth that cannot ultimately be traced back to taxpayer funds in *some* way, I’d love to hear it. (And this is not snark, I’ve always been genuinely curious about this!)

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @equality – according to the commentariat of the Daily Fail, the line of reasoning goes something like this: Frogmore Cottage was renovated to the Sussexes specifications for the Sussexes specific use because they were Royal public servants. If the Sussexes were not going to live there permanently and be Royal public servants less expensive renovations would have been done and five households would not have been evicted or removed (choose a word) from Frogmore Cottage.

        This is all bullschitt but it actually gets better or more bizarre (choose a word): The Fail commentariat actually believe that the Sussexes were “given” the renovated Apartment 1A formerly housing the Gloucester but turned it down and as it was less grand than the Cambridge Apartment 1.

        Hope your still reading because it gets better or even more bizarre (choose a word): The commentariat of the Daily Fail believes that Harry, on Meghan’s orders, demanded they be “given” Frogmore HOUSE and QEII gave them Frogmore COTTAGE to “put them in their place” which caused five households to be evicted or removed (choose a word) from Frogmore Cottage.

        Final verdict: Harry and Meghan owe the money to British tax payer because they did not want to live in the UK, did not want to serve QEII and did not want to the serve the commentariat of the Daily Fail via the Royal Rat Rota.

        All of the above, which I have seen in print many times, is total 100% bullschitt.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Frogmore Cottage is Crown Estate property, a completely separate legal beast from KP.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        What about how tax money renovated the Middleton home because Kate made that her primary residence for 6 months with infant George?
        They got… bomb proof doors and windows. Servants quarters, security fencing, security building. Private new wing for George, Kate, nanny Maria with a kitchen. Upgrades to existing kitchen for staff chefs to use. And lord knows what else. All on the taxpayer as it was for her security because she refused to live in any other residence where Carole could stay or visit as she liked.

        Side note. William has other residences that were noted in the press like during his bespoke cert course no one is quite sure if he ever really finished. The one where after he was going to jump right into agriculture like his father.

  10. OriginalLala says:

    My totally random prediction is they will move into Frogmore House and use frogmore cottage for their staff quarters.

    oh and, if we total up all the renos they’ve done – I wonder how many millions it would be?

    • Cava24 says:

      If they move to Windsor it sort of means Harry can’t/ won’t use Frogmore Cottage at all, right? Not even as a base for trips back. It will take a while to complete whatever renovations the Cambridges want on a house there so maybe this won’t be much of an issue. It’s unclear how much power the Queen will have by then so this is really just a convenience thing for the Cambridges.

    • Sure says:

      W & K seem to be once again copying H & M by moving to Windsor. Now that H has a big ass house with 16 bathrooms I sense that W wants a bigger ass house with at least 16 bathrooms. I feel embarrassed for them. The couple they ostracised are the two people who also dominate their every move and that must be the bitterest of pills to have to swallow.

      • JT says:

        Yeah. It definitely seems like some H&M cosplay because the Sussexes are always on their minds, on top of the usual Cambridge shenanigans. The Keens moving to Windsor Will somehow be regal and no, they won’t be using their own funds to renovate a new property like Harry and Meghan had to. I remember the meltdown the royals had when H&M bought their beautiful home in Montecito. It was glorious.

  11. Snuffles says:

    Well, if I had a useless employee that I could never fire, I would cut them out of work and major decisions as much as humanly possible. I wouldn’t take them seriously at all. If the Cambridges feel ignored, it’s because no one wants to deal with their lazy, ornery asses.

  12. Kfg says:

    Anyone thinking that earthshot is going to be delayed indefinitely? He wants to be close to granny to cover up the big issues. Also I don’t think keen is going to be princess of Wales.

    • JT says:

      I haven’t heard anything about Earthshot and I’m starting to to think that’s the point of it all. Isn’t some ceremony for happening soon? I think that project was DOA since it was announced, hence why William already gave himself an out.

      • Harper says:

        Earthshot was all about William’s ego and attaching himself to a cause because he has no big initiative to his name and he’s nearing forty. That’s why the initial announcement was so weird as the emphasis was all about how prestigious the award would be, how many celebrities were lending their names, and how the brilliant young winners were all going to become famous. But with the Delta variant a real danger, they probably won’t get to show off with a big awards event like Willy wanted. If there are no photos of Will with celebs, is it worth the effort?

      • Eurydice says:

        October 17th, and “broadcast to a global audience” – the website has a countdown clock, like they’re launching a spacecraft.

    • TabithaD says:

      That Earthshot thing is turning out to be such a damp squib. I still don’t understand what it’s about really. It looks like just a body set up to hand out prizes/grants to people doing research etc. into environmental issues, funded by various large companies. There are other bodies that already do this.
      And the blurb on the website says it’s the “most prestigious” prize ever, or some such rubbish. How can they say that, when it’s not even awarded its first set of prizes?
      You’d think if it was that amazing, it’d be all over the press and TV, but I’ve not seen anything about it.

    • notasugarhere says:

      He partnered with the wrong people, thinking they were the right ones. Not only did he pick an anti-environmentalist who is in legal trouble (the Alibaba one)? Now he has the public association with Bill Gates, who looks worse day by day.

  13. Lolo says:

    Notice the lack of outrage about a potential third house after millions in renovations at the other two at tax payers expense.
    People are so indifferent to Will and Kate it’s hilarious. They wouldn’t notice if they were gone and that must hurt. They will forever be in the shadows.
    Meanwhile H&M just breathe and they are all over front pages still a year after leaving. Ha

  14. TheOtherOne says:

    American here – How far is Windsor from London?

    • Sofia says:

      About an hours drive. But these people have access to helicopters and use them so the travel time becomes much shorter.

      • Nic919 says:

        Also they can get a road cleared for them like the US president does so they don’t have to deal with traffic.

    • TabithaD says:

      Only 35 minutes by train. Plenty of people commute from Windsor to London daily (pre-Covid).

    • The Hench says:

      I used to be able to drive from my house in Windsor to my office in London in 25 minutes first thing in the morning and in about 40 minutes during the day. I also regularly used to see the Queen being driven in. She travelled in a three Range Rover convoy with blue flashing lights so, as Nic says above, the traffic gets cleared for them – so half an hour any time if you’re Royal.

  15. TabithaD says:

    I actually took “overlooked” to mean that they feel too crowded in at KP, i.e. overlooked (looked over) by their neighbours, because they’re too close and so can keep tabs on what the Cambridges are up to. (Maybe they don’t want the neighbours to notice they’re living apart?). I don’t think they’d sanction an article where they apparently admit to feeling ignored, because their egos/sense of importance wouldn’t let them.

    • goofpuff says:

      That apartment in KP is HUGE! You can live in there and be apart pretty easily.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It is huge but also very public. They already complained about how close the general public can get to their space. The yew hedge was installed because too many people were taking notice of how rarely they were there, how frequently they got into the helo and flew off on holiday.

    • TabithaD says:

      Well exactly. But I think it’s what they meant – too many people in London (public included) could see their comings and goings.

    • Harper says:

      It’s easy to say “not private” instead of overlooked. These are supposed journalists here. Now the Cambridges have complained about a lack of privacy at KP before and installed that hedge so that their helicopter trips were not so exposed. Maybe Nicholl chose to use overlooked purposely because the Cambridges don’t want to use the word privacy, even if that’s their real complaint. After all, wanting privacy is one of Harry and Meghan’s supposed crimes.

      • AM says:

        I watch a lot of British TV and they very commonly say a garden or property is “overlooked,” meaning, your neighbors can look into your yard or windows. A lack of privacy, basically. It sounds weird to my American ears but that is common usage apparently.

    • Amy Too says:

      Exactly. If they’re living literally inside Windsor castle, they can each have their own separate apartments in there. Like they each get their own full house inside the castle instead of just separate bedrooms. Or Kate can more easily visit and stay with her parents while Will stays in Windsor. Or KP. He can cheat more easily. They can come and go more secretly. They’re the only major royals living at KP so when that helicopter takes off and lands people know it’s them using it. There are more royals in Windsor, so whoever is in the helicopter or car won’t be known immediately. It could be Andrew or the Queen. And if you’re having “guests” come to you at Windsor, no one really knows what royal they’re going in to see.

      Wasn’t it Piers Morgan who quite literally photographed himself right outside their KP gates? That’s extremely overlooked. As in the press and the RRs, who are located in London, are quite literally right there at your doorstep easily.

      And Anmer is the site of Rose Hanbury and all those Turnip Toffs who tore Kate down in the Tattler article. So while they may prefer the privacy of the countryside as stated in the article, Anmer is tainted now. Likely for both of them if Will is over Rose and has moved on. Who wants to live next door to their ex? But also, they’re talked about there in Norfolk. People know their business and aren’t terribly afraid to share it (Tattler article, again.) When you have a lot to hide, and people are already starting to look, it’s probably best to move.

      • Lorelei says:

        @AmyToo I totally agree with you, but if they think that moving out of Norfolk will prevent the press from eventually going after William and his cheating — which will be a *goldmine* for them — then I think they’re the ones getting high, not the Sussexes.

      • notasugarhere says:

        IDK if they’d end up in the castle proper, or look at throwing someone out of a Crown Estate property in the area. Charles has already said he wants to relocate to Windsor Castle when he’s king. Moving to the castle proper would only put them under Charles’s control. What if he, gasp, made them work more?

  16. cathy says:

    Cambridge clearly says what I’m saying for ages. KP is a place all relatives spy on each other and gives information to Charles and the queen. William and Kate are living apart make huge crisis for the palace and Cambridge’s want to avoid getting question abt their marriage from courtiers and chuck’s staff. That’s why they use the word overlooked. Also, remember none of the questions cousins like William or kate. They didn’t invite these to their wedding which speaks volumes. Cambridge cant flex their muscle to queen cousins who are older than these and are not on money depend from the chuck. They get allowances from the queen but they have another source of income. when shit hits the fan kate won’t have any allies in that family. Sophie and Zara are snakes they will go where the wind blows.

  17. P says:

    I wonder if the term “overlooked” is being used in the British way of saying “lack of privacy” or “people can see into the back garden”. “Our back garden is overlooked by several homes so we planted trees for privacy.”

    • notasugarhere says:

      That’s my read too. We got all those sugary articles about how they love Anmer because it is home, away from staff. But of course, with a dozen household staff they prove every day they cannot function without all that staff around.

  18. Lizzie says:

    That’s the role sonny until you have the crown. Everybody else is overlooked.

  19. Over it says:

    William and Kate are such sugar puffs, always wanting more but never working for anything. Who is going to pay for the remodeling of a 3rd house for them? Harry and Meghan had to repay the money for the frogmore shack given to them and their were the ones doing all the work to keep that family relevant and here comes mr and mrs do nothings and they already have two massive houses that they didn’t pay for and now feel overlooked and want a 3rd. They don’t work. They do absolutely nothing to justify giving them another house. But hey being white is all you need to get what you want I guess with no questions asked and no British media meltdowns.

    • notasugarhere says:

      They could get away with this if they give up Anmer, allowing the Queen to re-lease it for profit.

  20. Nic919 says:

    I note Katie Nichols fails to mention that they also kicked out a charity from KP because they wanted the biggest space available. Margaret had been dead for well over a decade by the time they moved to KP.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Keen and Baldemort took over three main spaces in Kensington Palace:

      They took over Margaret & Snowdon’s space completely – Apartment 1A

      They took over parts of Diana’s old space – Apartment 8 and Apartment 9

      They took over major parts of the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester’s space – Apartment 1

      FYI – The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester moved into Apartment 1, the 21-room flat-house previously occupied by Princess Marina, after their marriage in 1972. In September 2019, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, previously residents of Apartment 1, moved to the newly renovated Old Stables, a smaller home located within the Palace’s estate wanting to downsize due to an empty nest as their three children were no longer residing with them.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They took over all of Diana’s old apartments for office staff, which is why HRP is doing that huge underground build for collections storage and office space. Have W&K taken over Apartment 1, or is that something we assume but don’t know for sure?

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @nota – I got the info about the Gloucester’s Apartment 1 from an old article I had laying around and then double checked on Wikipedia. Wikipedia (for what it is worth) stated that that the Baldemort and Wiglet had taken over “some” of the space of Diana’s apartment and major parts of the Gloucester’s Apartment 1.

        My understanding from what I have read is that Baldemort and Wiglet wanted only minimal 24/7 domestic staff in the residential KP Apartment 1A and all the other space taken was for their “office” staff and related “hangers-on”.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Is there any actual evidence linked in the Wiki article though? I thought heresay wasn’t allowed on there. They took over other large parts of KP for their domestic staff, along with 8&9 for office staff – before the Gloucesters moved. Like they took a number of the staff apartments (one story, with parking) that line the space near Apartment 1, but that aren’t part of Apartment 1 proper.

  21. Ainsley7 says:

    Years ago, Prince Charles expressed a desire to make Windsor Castle the main residence of the monarch instead of Buckingham palace if he can’t continue to live at Clarence House. Literally everyone in the family hates BP and no one wants to live there. So, it wasn’t all that surprising. It makes sense to turn BP into offices and a museum full time. It would bring in more money that is sorely needed for it’s upkeep. The government pushed back and insisted that Charles move to BP and that no such change was allowed. So, they’ve kinda been arguing about where Charles will live ever since. No concrete plans have been made. Although, Charles keeps putting out articles to try to sway public opinion towards his plans. However, earlier this year, there were a whole bunch of articles about how Charles is unlikely to ever use Windsor Castle, except for official functions, because the airport is too noisy.

    So, I find it interesting that W&K are possibly trying to live there in order to be more involved with the goings on of the Monarchy. It just makes me wonder if Charles is still pushing Windsor as the main residence of the monarch or something.

    • Carolind says:

      Charles is going to live at Clarence House when he is king. That is more or less definite. He hardly goes near Windsor.

      • notasugarhere says:

        He wants to live there, but that doesn’t mean he’ll get to. The official residence of the monarch is Buck House. It is undergoing 400+ million in restoration now, so him refusing to live there afterwards won’t go over well. If Charles wants to stay at Clarence House, he’ll have a battle ahead.

  22. Scorpion says:

    For such a privileged couple, nothing ever seems good enough for them. Overlooked my ass, they want to move to Windsor to intercept and interfere in the relationship between Lilibet Sr and Harry.

  23. Roserose says:

    There’s a potayto/potahto thing happening here. “Overlooked” could mean “people can see into my garden, I have no privacy” or it could mean “I’m being ignored and passed over for promotions”. I feel Nicholl means the first but the second is true.

    • TabithaD says:

      I agree it’s the former that’s meant here.
      But I suspect it’s also true that William is not that close to TQ. I can see him wanting to get closer, for strategic reasons, if only to try and get one over on Charles.
      I have a vision of W+K popping round to Windsor Castle unannounced and banging on the windows, while granny hides behind the settee waiting for them to clear off.

      • candy says:

        You can picture the Queen saying “Bugger Off” like bridget jones? Lol (I can too).

      • Lizzie says:

        The reason the queen isn’t close to TOB has nothing to do with which palace he lives in. I think she has no patience for his tantrums. He could have a room down the hall from her and she still wouldn’t like him.

    • Lorelei says:

      The argument that their comings and goings from KP are too easily scrutinized would make sense (to me, at least) if the press actually *reported* on how frequently they use the helicopter. But unlike another couple in the family, we’ve never once seen a front page with a headline blaring, “HYPOCRITICAL ‘eco-warrior’ William takes a HELICOPTER when he could easily DRIVE to (insert whatever location)!!” let alone coverage of it every time he so much as moves an inch.

      The press could theoretically track them, but they’re too busy propping them up and praising them for merely existing and being white while doing so.

      So I don’t believe that’s a huge factor for them — *unless* maybe they know that there’s some sort of bad news or scandal about them about to break, and they’re preemptively going someplace where they can be more anonymous…?

      • TabithaD says:

        It could be as simple as the fact that KP is in the centre of London, adjoining a very popular public park, and just off one of the main shopping streets, so the public are all around them. I think W+K have a great deal of distaste for the public – they can barely hide it when they’re out doing events.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Tabitha they don’t even try to hide their disdain for the public.
        Ironic, since Kate was one of those “commoners” trying to peer through the hedges along with the other peasants for most of her life.

  24. Over it says:

    I don’t know why traveling anywhere in the Uk would be a problem for them , they have a helicopter. They definitely aren’t waiting in 4pm traffic

  25. Kalana says:

    Kate is done being away from her family after the pandemic and she’s never had many friends. William will probably stay at Apt 1A. and have a place at Windsor.

  26. M says:

    I’m just here to cackle and give props to Kaiser about the red eye photo used as the header. It’s almost as if their evil insides are showing.

  27. Lizzie says:

    Kate can ignore her hospice patronage from all royal homes.

  28. Digital Unicorn says:

    This reeks of nothing more than an attention seeking PR stunt – they are not getting ALL the press attention so are sulking off to Windsor.

    They are so desperate to hide their separate lives – the Martians can smell it from outer space.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It might be more difficult to hide separate lives at Windsor. Now she can live at Anmer while he lives at Wood Farm. At Windsor, even the Crown Estate properties aren’t all that private. No ability to plant thousands of yew hedges and block helicopter sightings at Windsor.

  29. Rapunzel says:

    Tin foil tiara time:

    I definitely think Wills doesn’t want his comings and goings “overlooked” by others at KP…and the press. I suspect that ties into my theory that one reason for this move is to be close to any London Lawyer for legal briefings 😉…without press catching on or dragging her to Norfolk.

    I also wonder: is Charles attempting to curtail the Cambridges’ helicopter trips? Is this about Chuck being in charge and putting his foot down about travel costs and the bad PR of the helicopter for the ffk’s regular commute to his country home? Possibly the Cambridges are wanting Windsor for a country home because Amner now means a long drive or *shudder* train trip.

    • notasugarhere says:

      I think they have more privacy from courtiers at Anmer. The home staff they have are the staff they’ve chosen to hire. No one is hanging out at Anmer watching for helo traffic either. IMO at Windsor it would be more difficult to hide separate lives.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Rapunzel I agree it would be a good strategy for Charles if that was an issue, but the press has always conveniently ignored the fact that the Cambridges constantly use the helicopter. I can’t even remember the last time we saw some of those blurry photos of them boarding it. So there isn’t really any negative perception requiring Chuck to counteract, imo? The whole story is just very strange.

  30. candy says:

    My theory? William is upset that he has yet to be granted a country estate, like Bagshot Park or Highgrove. I wonder if they’ll be given Frogmore House? I believe that’s what they’re aiming for. They already made it known they hate Fort Belvedere. What other options are there if they’re to stay at Windsor? Also, why are these people always acting likey they’re out of space? They have multiple palaces between them eye roll.

    • notasugarhere says:

      They have Anmer, which is a massive home in the country. That is intended as their ‘country pile’. There would be outcry if they got Frogmore House, because of the millions in Crown Estate funds that would be used to fix it up. The lease would also have to be public, like Andrew and Edward’s, which would lead to more investigation/watching by the public than W&K like. For now, most of the costs at Anmer have been hidden.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I may be wrong, but did not QEII have to “buy-out” the lease of the current Anmer tenants (the kitchen remodeler person) in order for Baldemort & Wiglet to take occupancy?

      • candy says:

        I don’t contest that Anmer is extremely luxurious, but it’s still a country house. It doesn’t have the status of a standalone estate like Bagshot. Plus it isn’t a Crown estate. I think “overlooked” William is looking for that kind of validation. There should be outcry at the cost but it seems to get burried on the inside pages.

        @BayTampaBay, yes. When it was given to them as a wedding gift, it was leased to some other family, I believe. For a while it belonged to the Van Cutsems.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @candy – You are correct that the van Cutsem family lived there for many years but I think (or seem to remember) there was a tenant living in Anmer Hall after the van Cutsem family but before Baldemort & Wiglet took occupancy. However, I could be wrong.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Whether or not it is a Crown Estate property isn’t relevant, as Liz doesn’t own Crown Estate properties. Many C.E. properties are small, nowhere near large and luxurious as Anmer. It was never ‘given’ to W&K as a wedding gift. It remains the private property of Liz Windsor.

        Bagshot isn’t a stand alone estate, nor is Royal Lodge. They, like Anmer, exist on a small footprint of land that belongs to someone else just as the house does. None have acreage.

        There was a family of high-end kitchen designers already living there with the massive expensive bespoke kitchen. They were leasing the property. Liz had to buy out their lease in order to get them out. It never belonged to the Van Cutsems, they simply leased it. Years before that, she let HRH Duke and Duchess of Kent live there grace-and-favour, as she lets W&K live there grace-and-favour now.

      • Nic919 says:

        William will eventually inherit Anmer, Sandringham and all the privately owned estates so this just seems greedy.

  31. Lorelei says:

    My thoughts about this were:

    1) a headline about them feeling “overlooked” is unintentionally hysterical;

    2) I’m shocked the article actually mentioned how much the Cambridges’ renovation cost!!

    3) It’s insane that they think anyone will believe that anything William and Kate do is done with the Queen’s best interests at heart, and not their own selfish reasons.

    • Eurydice says:

      If this was about being closer to the Queen and visiting her more often, they could have spent more than a weekend at Balmoral, for starters. Other than that, Liz doesn’t need anything from them – she’s hundreds of staff taking care of her wherever she goes.

    • Debbie says:

      For those who are shocked or pleased that the cost of KP’s renovations was mentioned, I think it’s more important to look at the tone of these references to the cost. The costs were mentioned in passing, and in a neutral tone, like it’s no big deal. It’s very different from the hysterical, accusing tone they used when Frogmore was being renovated. At that time, the BM itemized every expense, and even made up fanciful imaginary new ones, like a “floating yoga floor” and special vegan paint, all courtesy of Meghan, supposedly. Even now, when Frogmore’s renovations is mentioned, the BM makes sure to follow up by saying that they didn’t live there long after taxpayers paid for it. I hate to compare and contrast, but it’s glaring. Like the ultra casual way they write a story about 2 people w/ at least 2 large homes, contemplating getting another home – as one does. But the BM got all hysterical when H & M bought their 1 home, with their own lolly.

  32. Aimee says:

    Maybe she meant that they are feeling “overworked.”


  33. notasugarhere says:

    @Kaiser, I think they might mean ‘very overlooked’ as being watched. They like Anmer because they can hide out from work there. If Kate is at Anmer, William could be at Wood Farm, and no one (other than staff) knows otherwise. More difficult to hide out in London, which is why they demanded the yew hedge to hide how often they use the helicopters for private use.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Nota, the thing is, those hedges worked — at least in terms of preventing photos of them getting on and off the helicopter.

      If the media was absolutely determined to make an issue of their flagrant use of it, I guess they could station someone just outside the hedges to count how many times the helicopter comes and goes and when, but no one seems to care enough to bother. And even then, we still wouldn’t know who was on it.

      Idk, it’s a very odd story, and one that invites lots of speculation, imo (and on that front, it worked! Because here we all are, speculating about it right now, lol).

      • notasugarhere says:

        It may have worked before, but the heat has been turned up under this pot of frogs. Tabloids aren’t getting anything about Harry and Meghan, so they’re turning back to tracking W&K movements around London and Norfolk. How often they are there, how often they are apart.

  34. diANNa says:

    Is there any possibility the Lamebridges might have been directed to shut down their KP Comms team and this is the spin? With a succession plan in place that already is seeing Charles acting as Regent, why is there a need for BP, CH and KP comms?

    The KP communications over the past few years has created huge problems for the BRF for so many reasons but maybe the “Meghan is a bully” smear campaign backfiring and exposing them as liars and schemers intent on destroying M’s reputation was the final straw. There must also be behind-the-scenes repercussions for KP’s cooperation with the Daily Fail, who will not only be forking over what is likely to be a huge sum, along with the humiliation of losing this suit that they pursued with such gleeful enthusiasm. International exposure which resulted has been incredibly damaging to not only the BRF, but to the BM and so many now view the UK differently (clearly!) as a result. The BRF has shown itself to be unprofessional, but if those grey-suited men have any sense of strategy or smarts, they would shut down KP now.

    Maybe this is why the Keens are said to be feeling “overlooked” — is it possible moves are being made without their input? Their actions have been soooooo harmful for their stakeholders. And with Brexit’s (lack of) chickens coming home to roost, the tides over on Salty Isle might be changing.

    • Harper says:

      There was a post here a few months ago that said to watch for all the communications to be consolidated into one central source. Most likely Charles realized that William could not be trusted to manage his own comms team without burning down the monarchy. William’s team already chased Harry out of the country and needs to be cut off from having his own official letterhead.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Dianna you make so many good points and ITA. But for this to be true, it would mean that Charles — for ONCE — not only made a good PR -related decision that would have positive effects for the family and its reputation, but that he also would have grown enough of a spine to stand up to Elegant Bill.

      On the other hand, though, it could totally be true, because I can see Charles *finally* reaching his breaking point with the Cambridges’ ridiculous press over the past few months, especially the stories about how lots of people — including a very talkative Uncle Gary! — are pushing for the monarchy to “skip over” C+C (which would obviously never happen because that’s not how any of this works! but people are stupid and gullible and seem to eat those stories up), along with this whole narrative of Kate saving the monarchy, along with her hijacking his father’s funeral.

      These people all have so many competing agendas that it’s hard to keep up with them all and follow what’s even going on a lot of the time, so nothing is out of the realm of possibility ¯_(ツ)_/¯

      ETA: @Harper, just saw your comment and ita with all of that, too. The Cambridges are so messy that there are so many competing reasons for this to be true, lol.

    • Nic919 says:

      Jason Knauf basically exposed them to a lawsuit from the Sussexes for his false story about the bullying so I can see them shutting down all KP comms since they all followed his lead.

  35. Rapunzel says:

    Wilder theory: what if this is part of the divorce strategy on Wills’ part? Maybe he’s setting up a “Kate felt unhappy in London due to pressure from courtiers and too isolated in Norfolk, so Wills valiantly tried to save the marriage by moving to Windsor, but that didn’t work either because the courtiers were just as awful, so they must divorce” storyline?

    Wills comes off as the dutiful ffk maintaining his roles for the Kingdom, while sadly sacrificing the marriage for Kate’s mental health because he didn’t want her ending up like Diana. Kate saves face as a worse victim of the BRF than Meghan and both W&K have excuses not to work. Imagine Wills forever pulling the ” I gave up my wife to be King– don’t ask for more” card for the rest of his life.

  36. Kiddy says:

    Frankly, Meghan tried to get some appartments in Windsor, too. 😉

  37. Lorelei says:

    @Simone, ever since we learned that the BRF had the AUDACITY to tell Meghan she should keep working because they didn’t have enough money (!!!) to cover her, absolutely nothing they do even surprises me anymore. Vile “family.”

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I am not sure I believe that the BRF or a member of the BRF said this about Meghan. I think it was a flunky to high ranking courtier that “ran this past” Harry to get his response. If the BRF did not have “money for Meghan” then why was Harry “allowed” to marry Meghan and why was Meghan “allowed” to become a Senior Working Royal.

      I believe this statement regarding money was made but I am not confident as to who or whom made it.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Bay, that’s how I see it. A courtier floating the idea or whispering it in Harry’s direction.

  38. India says:

    Is Bully Boy farting in the second photo from the bottom?

  39. Jay says:

    Lots of talk in this article that this is all part of a plan for when Charles becomes king, but when have the Cambridges ever been proactive? They’ve always had to be pushed, kicking and screaming, into every patronage, foreign trip, and duty, and even then, woe betide if you expect them to show up EVERY year, my goodness.

    So, I wonder how much of this move is really the Cambridge’s choice, or whether they are being told behind the scenes that they will need to have a more public profile, do more events, and generally do less hiding. I imagine Charles, who controls the money giving them a choice of moving to Windsor or Scotland.

  40. Liz version 700 says:

    The pictures of Will lol. Perfection. I wanna take bets on how soon the family starts to move out as soon as the Cambridge’s move into the Windsor Estates. Maybe THAT is Charles’s plan to slim down the budget.

  41. Carolind says:

    Amy too – There is NO way that the Cambridges get to live at Windsor Castle. That is not on. It would be one of the other residences. I did hear they are trying to get Andrew out of Royal Lodge and move there.

  42. Sam says:

    I think Kaiser may have mistranslated ‘overlooked’. In this instance, I believe the writer was referring to the Cambridges feeling as though they lack privacy in KP. (For example, in English you might describe a garden into which your neighbours had a clear view as being ‘overlooked’. )

  43. Ms Van Der Boom says:

    Just went and looked at Kate’s patronages (23) and then compared her ‘work’ for these patronages via the court circular for the last 12 months from today. She is just not worth it!

    8 seemed to get no contact or visits from her
    7 got 1 visit or phone call or zoom call
    4 got 2 visits or a phone call or a zoom call
    2 patronages got 3 visits from her (Royal All England Lawn Tennis and Natural History Museum – lol)
    She did about 10 engagements by herself without Bill in addition to this so some of these may have been related to patronages but I couldn’t tell.

    She had 7 meetings with Jason Knauf which count as ‘work’ !
    and 26 meetings regarding Early Years – who else thinks these are just made up ‘padding’ for her numbers?

    Oh and 8 meetings with the Royal Foundation – with Bill – I guess so they can work out how to line their pockets?

    So Keen!

  44. Jumpingthesnark says:

    Isnt Eton near Windsor? Won’t the plan be for G to go to school there like William and Harry did? Maybe the cover story will be that K wants to live near so he can be a day student at Eton. But the real story will be that she and the kids live there while Bill lives in KP in London .

  45. ChattyCath says:

    Elton is a mile from Windsor but George first needs to attend a ‘prep school’ of which there are a few in the area to inculcate him into Eton life. Eton wasn’t thought suitable for William because of the cost of security. Boys walk to lessons through parts of the town and the streets are narrow. When William was at the school he spent many weekends at Windsor with his grandparents, I don’t know about Harry as that was never reported. The BRF sticks to hierarchy. By the way my lovely late Uncle had a friend who lived at Windsor Castle. Luxurious it was not

  46. ChattyCath says:

    My birth certificate says I was born in Eton. True but it was the old workhouse repurposed! Lol