Christopher Andersen: ‘The aristocracy as a whole is rife with racist thinking’

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle announce their engagement

Sigh. Christopher Andersen’s book, Brothers and Wives: Inside the Private Lives of William, Kate, Harry, and Meghan has gotten too much play this week. He’s promoting the book all over American media and trying to – I think? – parrot some kind of royal line about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and the racism they faced. Andersen continues to insist that “Prince Charles’ innocent musings about what Harry and Meghan’s children would look like” is somehow the root of everything that happened over the past four years. Andersen repeated the same story to The Daily Beast’s Royalist column (Tom Sykes) in an exclusive interview. At least Andersen varies some of the details so it doesn’t sound like Camilla was leaking sh-t about Charles. Andersen also says that Harry isn’t in communication with William or Charles at all for months now.

The conversation between Camilla & Charles: “I was able to trace the origins of the controversy back to Charles casually asking Camilla what she thought Harry and Meghan’s children might look like—hair color, eye color, complexion. Keep in mind that at the time Charles was extremely fond of Meghan and had become friendly with Meghan’s mother, Doria Ragland.” Andersen says the remarks were the “innocent musings of a grandfather” that were “twisted over time by palace operatives into something far more racially charged and toxic, so by the time it reached Harry he was shocked at what he was hearing. When Harry complained to his father, Charles suggested that he was being oversensitive.”

Camilla didn’t leak it, okay? He says that the conversation between Charles and Camilla happened over breakfast while “household staff members were circulating within earshot.” Camilla, Andersen says, swiftly changed the subject but the damage was done.

The Queen isn’t racist, okay? Andersen quotes a former member of Prince Charles’ “senior staff” as saying, “It’s not that the senior roles are racist per se. The queen certainly isn’t. But there are a few in the extended family who are, and the aristocracy as a whole is rife with racist thinking.”

The “bureaucrats” who keep the Firm running are racist: “Most are not racist but some are, and unfortunately, at rather high levels. It’s a sad reality, but they are more of a reflection of society as a whole.” Andersen writes that it “did not take long for Harry to be told by one of the men in grey [palace staffers] that there were ‘apprehensions’ about how dark a baby of his and Meghan Markle’s might be—that if he or she was ‘too brown’ it might look ‘strange.’”

What happened when Harry confronted his father: “The Prince of Wales said that his son was perhaps being ‘overly sensitive about the matter,’” according to a courtier quoted by Andersen. Andersen writes, “Soon, what might have begun as a benign question became the subject of intense conversation between Charles and Harry.” The content of this conversation is not made clear, but Andersen writes, “The conversations concerning how dark their offspring might be continued to ripple through the royal household.” The staffer added, “When Harry went to his brother for help, William stood up for their father. The whole thing just got out of hand.”

Whether the royal family is racist, according to Andersen: “William insists the royal family isn’t racist, and I agree with him. But the Sussexes are also right when they say racism exists in palace circles, and among the aristocracy. These are the same people who routinely conspire to pit one prince against another to further their own interests.”

No communication: “William isn’t returning Harry’s calls and Charles and Harry haven’t spoken since Prince Philip’s funeral. If Charles, William, and Harry can’t find a way to make amends during the queen’s platinum jubilee next year, then it’s doubtful they ever will. It’s also highly doubtful that a Charles III will bestow the titles of “prince” on Archie and “princess” on Lilibet, or for that matter any titles at all.”

How Diana would feel: “I think Diana would have been saddened by Megxit, and heartbroken by the rift between her sons. Diana always said William and Harry were her revenge—she always wanted them both to play a central role in guiding the monarchy into the future. She certainly did not want Harry to turn his back on his birthright.”

[From The Daily Beast]

The more Andersen insists on Charles’ innocence, the more people he brings into the conversations happening at the time, conversations about race and what the Sussex babies would look like. If that’s true – and who knows – then what Andersen is describing is a huge conversation among Prince Charles, William, Harry, all of their staffers and courtiers and certain aristocrats about what Harry and Meghan’s children would look like, how dark they would be and whether Charles said certain things about skin color with racist malice. If this happened (and I still don’t believe it went down like this, but let’s play along), this is the moment where Harry should have checked out entirely: “[It] did not take long for Harry to be told by one of the men in grey [palace staffers] that there were ‘apprehensions’ about how dark a baby of his and Meghan Markle’s might be—that if he or she was ‘too brown’ it might look ‘strange.’” F–k all of these people!!

Britain's Prince Harry (L) and his fiancee US actress Meghan Markle (R) visit Nechells Wellbeing Centre to join Coach Core apprentices taking part in a training masterclass in Birmingham, central England on March 8, 2018.  Prince Harry and Meghan Markle visited Birmingham to learn more about the work of two projects which support young people from the local community. The Coach Core apprenticeship scheme was designed by The Royal Foundation of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry to train young people aged 16 - 24 with limited opportunities to become sports coaches and mentors within their communities.

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  1. OriginalLala says:

    Anyone who believes that the BRF, the Queen and the whole royal institution isn’t racist is being willfully ignorant – the whole concept of rule Britannia, colonialism and even the commonwealth is rooted in racism.

    • RoyalBlue says:


    • ML says:

      “We’re not racist, but we willingly surround ourselves with racist staff and do not correct our racist relatives and friends at the cost of Meghan and Harry and their children!?!” Plus “Megxit” à la tabloids instead of “Sussexit”? Wtf

    • Moxylady says:

      The “serving staff” at the palaces are the only real places the palace hires people of color. POC know racism when they hear it.

      • Eurydice says:

        Yes, that part of it weird and tone-deaf, too. Because we all know that serving staff aren’t real people and couldn’t possibly hear what you’re saying right in front of them – and they would never repeat any of that to the rest of the staff – oh, no they wouldn’t.

    • equality says:

      The whole concept of people bowing down to you because you were the first child of a certain sperm donor/shot out of a certain birth canal is offensive. Everything about the concept of royalty and aristocracy is offensive. It is what has led to all this racism, classism and xenophobia. I mean, take the concept that you are so much better than other members of your family with the same bloodlines simply because you were born first (and previously because you were male) with no accomplishment or intelligence at all being required. It’s loony. I can’t believe in this century people buy into that.

    • Becks1 says:

      Yeah thats…..not really the defense that he seems to think it is.

  2. hindulovegod says:

    This is some galaxy brain logic. The royal family isn’t racist but a lot of its members and top level staffers are racist, and they are all prone to “racist thinking.” Umm, what?

    • A says:

      Right? ‘The Family is not racist but all their closest friends, advisers, and employees are’ is not the bulletproof defense this dude seems to think it is.

    • lanne says:

      He is not…helping their case at all. I would not want this guy speaking on my behalf. the more he speaks, the nastier the royals look, and the nastier the entire insitiution looks. he seems to be too dumb to realize it, but all he’s doing is confirming the essential racism of the institution of monarchy as a whole, and he indicts the entire aristocracy in the process.

      • Nick G says:

        Too dumb, because too many people consider racism to be the aggressive, in your face actions- but do not question the unspoken white supremacy that lurks under the subconscious. That’s why he thinks his words are helpful and explain everything, can’t you see that these “race” issues are overblown?!!

  3. Nlopez says:

    I like to think Diana would be glad Harry is free and living his best life with Meghan!

    • equality says:

      Really. The concept that his mum would wish Harry to stay and be the family scapegoat and keep taking abuse is ridiculous. What mother would wish that on a child to try to change people who have no wish to change. Diana never knew the grown-up versions of her sons so could only have judged from what they were like as kids.

  4. MsIam says:

    William isn’t returning Harry’s calls? Now that right there proves this A-hole has no sources. Unless he means the calls Harry is making to curse William out but I doubt Harry would even bother. He basically said there is a blank space where his brother used to be, nothing there to see or hear from.

    • Jais says:

      He has a source. Jason Knauf briefed him with an email, which we now know is how they do things. In that email, it’s become all about this convo bw Charles and Camilla, nothing at all to do with William, and oh yeah, William will not even take Harry’s calls. That is how righteous William is in standing up against his bro and evil Meghan. William is making sure that Knauf briefs any books written about royals lol. Robert Jobson has one coming out in the spring that should be funny and more hagiography.

      • Genevieve says:

        Well, you have to remember: it’s all projection with these assholes. They aren’t complex and they aren’t innately intelligent, so what I read from this “sourced” piece is that William has reached out once or twice to no response from Harry and it was William who made inexcusable comments about Archie’s possible skin coloring.

        Also, Diana would have been immensely proud of Harry. She’d be in and out of their home almost as much as Doria, who she would have also gotten along with well enough to anger Kate and her stage mom.

      • MsIam says:

        Well after the Mail lawsuit, anyone who believes Jason is a credible source deserves whatever fire rains down on their heads!

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ Jais, yes, JK is doing Baldimorts bidding and no one believes one speck of it, except maybe Baldimort. He is too self absorbed to think that his brother has washed his hands of him. Harry is making it perfectly clear that there are no desires or attempts on his end to reconcile. Baldimort has proven to be just as awful and ugly as we suspected. So he brought JK in to try and remove his fingerprints all over his underhanded lies and campaigns to harm not only Meghan, but Harry as well. Baldimort never thought that Harry would choose Meghan over him and he is in a constant state of rage filled anger for being dumped. Baldimort suspects that once he became king, Harry would be his workhorse and scapegoat while he took all of the glory and power.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Msiam: Yeah, Harry’s not calling William.

      • Jais says:

        Oh he’s definitely not but William wants us to think Harry is calling him. And that he won’t take his calls. And that he’s very much not a racist. Lol

    • Izzy says:

      This. I don’t believe that Harry is even trying to call him now.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @MsIam, once I read that line, I looked out the window this morning and hell had not frozen over, so I knew this comment was a pure lie, complete and utter BS to make his readers believe that Harry is trying to mend his relationship with his vile, racist, jealous, petty, useless and rage filled monster TOBB.

      And the Men in Grey approached Harry, a Prince, in regards to how his children’s skin color would look like and how it would affect the blood line? Right, another absolutely ridiculous lie.

      Andersen is another Royal family hack that is peddling his lies for the family, especially TOBB.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Agreed. Some people will point to Philip’s funeral and the statue unveiling to question this point, but…it’s called being civil, especially when both occasions were centered on honoring deceased relatives. Harry made it quite clear that there’s no relationship with William and he seems quite content to leave it at that. William on the other hand won’t stop attacking him and Meghan.

      • Lorelei says:

        @BeachDreams, exactly. It’s not as if Harry was going to cause a scene at his grandfather’s funeral for the love of god!

      • Becks1 says:

        And often, when dealing with toxic family members, you are able to deal with them in a civil and “nice” manner once you have accepted that there is no relationship and never will be, you can’t change the person, etc. It gives you a kind of freedom and allows you to say “hello, how are you doing” or whatever and then move on because that person has lost all power over you. I think that’s where harry is right now with William. Harry can do things like the statute unveiling and see William and play nice because William can’t touch Harry anymore in terms of his emotions etc.

        That doesn’t mean that William’s actions don’t impact harry or upset him, especially Jason Knauf’s latest actions, it just means that Harry is in a different emotional place than he may have been a few years ago.

  5. girl_ninja says:

    They are ALL racist and complicit in abuse that Duchess Meghan faced. What a bunch of bullsh**t these fools try to shove down our throats.

  6. Merricat says:

    Once he referred to “megxit,” I stopped listening altogether. We know why.

  7. GuestWho says:

    William isn’t returning Harry’s calls? It’s a serious stretch to believe that Harry is reaching out to TOB at all. Why would he – unless he wanted to pick a fight about their attempt at scuttling the lawsuit. I think he’s well beyond wanting to engage with the brother who turned out to be a bigger prick than anyone suspected.

    I can only shake my head at the disfunction and disinformation.

    • lanne says:

      It’s funny to watch their complete disassociation with reality. These are people who LIVESTREAMED a fluff interview in another country while ignoring the official work of the Heir, and seem to be absolutely flummoxed that Meghan said not one word about them. They can’t get it through their minds that meghan doesn’t give 2 shits about the royals. She’s making them look irrelevant because

      Harry isn’t calling William. What for? He has a wife, 2 beautiful children, meaningful work, friends he can trust. The royals have nothing the Sussexes want or need, and that just kills them.

      Also, this idiot doesn’t realize that Lili and Archie will be Prince/Princess unless the Queen issues a letters patent. Charles will have to take the HRH titles from the kids if he doesn’t predecease his mother. I wonder how that will play out.

  8. Jay says:

    It’s not even a question of whether or not there were “concerns” about what Harry and Meghan’s children would look like. I think we’ve seen enough to confirm that, and I also think we can trust Meghan and Harry to recognize when something is an “innocent wondering” vs racist concern. So there is a false narrative being planted here, that while there may be some “racist thinking” within the royals, somehow they are not racists?

    What I think is getting lost in this discussion is the fact that these “concerns” about skin colour were linked to discussions of titles, security, funding, etc ( per the Oprah interview).

    That’s not oh, silly grandpa made an embarrassing remark; it’s an indication of how little value and protection baby Archie was likely to have if the Sussexes stayed in the royal family and in the UK. Racist thinking results in racist actions, it’s not benign.

    • Snuffles says:

      Exactly! When they started tying skin color to rank, titles and security, it was clear it was more than “innocent musings”.

  9. Woke says:

    People bringing up the fact that Diana wanted her sons part of the monarchy to guilt trip Harry annoys me. Do they seriously believe that she would be proud of a monarchy that can’t stand up against racism ? That she would want her sons to be apart of something so performative ? Also she valued happiness above all otherwise she would have kept quiet about her marriage for the sake of the monarchy. I’m sure she would be sad that her sons are not on good terms anymore but that it

    • swirlmamad says:

      Was it not fairly common knowledge that Diana was ready to get the hell out of dodge herself not long before she died? Had the accident never happened, I think it’s pretty safe to assume that Diana would NOT be based in the UK in the present day, and likely would not have been for many, many years by this point. My guess is that she would have supported Harry and Meghan’s choice to leave especially since she went through her own personal hell with the Firm and would empathize quite well with what they have gone through. They can miss me with this guilt trip crap. I hope Harry doesn’t even think twice about this gaslighting nonsense and doesn’t take it to heart. And I agree with others who have said that Diana would be very, very disappointed with William and the type of man he has become.

    • equality says:

      You have a good point. Di certainly didn’t hang around to change the monarchy.

  10. Snuffles says:

    Classic white person trying to whitewash and water down an ugly situation. I feel like he’s right about the broad strokes but is trying to downplay the ugly details. I have no doubt, that for a lot of people it went WAY beyond “innocent musings” . And I’m convinced that William was straight up nasty about it.

    • Lemons says:

      The funny thing is…I’m sure he thinks these are innocent musings, but any non-white or mixed person is reading this thinking….That sounds racist, that sounds highly questionable…because we’ve heard that in our circles before. Any sensible white person knows to NEVER ask these questions because it’s just not ever going to be their place.

      Asking how dark a baby is going to be is not a good look.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Lemons, that’s EXACTLY IT! To a racist, these “apprehensions” ARE merely innocent musings, so they’re confusedAF as to why it ever became a big deal in the first place.

      • Jules says:

        The UK can claim it’s not racist all it likes. I disagree. Last Tuesday, I happened to witness a white female department head ask a new colleague “What are you?” and then proceeding to rub the skin on her forearm repeatedly. When I informed this individual that her actions were racist, she promptly burst into tears. She went on some blubbery diatribe that there was no way she was racist. She was simply curious and asked her question innocently. I continued to poke more holes in her arguments which made her wail more. I’ve made it my life’s mission to drink racist crocodile tears. I regret nothing.

  11. BayTampaBay says:

    The style of HRH Prince and HRH Princess is automatic unless Charles III chooses to “un-bestow” the styles for Archie and Lilibet.

    • MsIam says:

      In the Oprah interview, that is what Meghan said the conversation was about. That they wanted to change the convention so none of Harry’s kids would ever get titles. That way they would be considered as “distant” relatives not entitled to anything like security. They never wanted Meghan or any kids by her to be a part of the monarchy ever. Hence the comment about how she could keep working as an actress so they wouldn’t have to pay for her.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yup. Meghan specifically talked about how they wanted to change it so he would never be a prince.

        I bet though they won’t change it now, since Meghan’s put it out there that they wanted to change it – so now it can be used as an example of how she “lied” during the interview or something….

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Eh…I have a feeling Harry *might* take the matter of titles for the kids out of the RF’s hands. By the way he talked in the Corden/Oprah interviews and TMYCS, I get the sense that he’s waiting for his grandparents to pass before completely cutting ties with the RF.

      • equality says:

        Harry might leave it up to the children to decide for themselves eventually about titles. I think the only reason they cared was because of the children being expected to be trotted out in public and wanting security for them. If your children were being exploited by the RF, why would you not expect all the amenities for them?

    • ML says:

      And this author seems to have conveniently glossed over that fact.

    • Feeshalori says:

      The Queen has to issue new letters of patent to deny those titles since these children get them the moment Charles becomes king. So unless things change in the near future, she’s leaving it in his lap for him to do.

      • Sid says:

        I wonder if this might have actually been a line old Queenie wasn’t willing to cross. If she had been willing to sign off on letters patent to change things, it would have been smooth sailing for House Racist. They already lied and told the press that the Sussexes didn’t want their kids to be titled. No one would have batted an eye if QEII had issued those letters. But she didn’t.

  12. heygingersnaps says:

    I have no doubt that a lot of white people in Britain are racist or have prejudice against people of colour. Even my son’s gran (white British) who I thought would not have that kind of thinking, shocked me with her micro-aggressions towards me, she’s okay in small doses but I will never forget how when I was pregnant with my son and she suddenly burst into tears because she was worried as to what my son would look like given that I’m not white and nobody in their family has been with someone who wasn’t white.
    It was such an insult but I also had to fight the urge to comfort her and not throttle her.
    The education system in the UK would benefit from teaching what colonialism/imperialism has done to the world with the same energy they do with teaching about world war one and two and perhaps people will learn that it wasn’t all roses for the countries that the British empire looted and subjugated.

    • Tangerinetree says:

      I’m sorry for what you went through and that you have to deal with this issue. It is so painful when family members behave this way.

      • heygingersnaps says:

        Thank you. I try to deal with her in small doses. She’s a doting grandmother (she’s probably happy that my son looks more white than Asian) but she still has racist and prejudice views that comes out from time to time. She can’t help herself. I have learned to be confident in standing up for myself but I have to make sure I’m mentally strong when we go visit her and sometimes it’s not the case and she can really hit her mark so I just try and avoid being alone with her.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @ heygingersnaps, I am incredibly sorry that you had to endure her racist comments and her absolute disgusting behaviour. This is a position that no expectant mother should have to listen to and not be completely angry to the point of wanting to destroy her and her small minded views.

      Racism is an awful disease that is taught to the children of yesterday and today. Until this disease is wiped out, no one of any degree of color, religion or sexual orientation will be safe.

      • heygingersnaps says:

        I really think part of it is their education system, most people are still wilfully ignorant about what the British empire has done to the world. Some of them still think that the UK is the be all and end all.
        In the run up to Brexit, the media was all in, in showing the migrant crises in Calais and refugees from Syria and other countries. Touting the relationship with the Commonwealth countries so the UK doesn’t need to be in the EU because the British empire has done it in the past and they can make another go at it once free from the shackles of the European Union. *shudders*
        They voted for Remain but the city voted Leave through by a few percent. It’s been downhill since then (for most of the general population). I don’t know if there’s a glimmer of hope and that the Tories will be ousted but one can hope.

    • Tangerinetree says:

      @heygingersnaps Thanks for sharing. Our situations I am sure are different, yet that is exactly what I do, too, with certain in-laws. It is unfair and exhausting over the years. Stay strong!

      * This is a reply to your reply above.

  13. Eurydice says:

    I don’t understand – is he saying that the RF are a bunch of mindless puppets? That the Queen, Charles and William (all super open-minded) are surrounded by racists and they can’t do anything about it? That they welcomed a WOC into the family, knowing she’d be surrounded by racists, and didn’t do anything to change things for her? That they can’t kick some gray-clad ass and settle the situation? That’s actually the opposite of “you’re being oversensitive” – that’s saying “Yes, we know you’re right and you just have to live with it.”

    • Miranda says:

      EXACTLY. Does he really think he’s helping them with that “defense”? Either they truly are racist, or they’re the worst kind of cowards. I tend to believe it’s both.

    • Snuffles says:

      “ Yes, we know you’re right and you just have to live with it.”

      That’s essentially the royal family’s motto.

    • Greywacke says:

      This dude is a moron. His argument of defense is as damning as the original claims.

      • Lorelei says:

        He’s making things worse by the day by continuing to go on and on and harp about this, keeping it in the headlines and digging an even bigger hole for the RF than the one they were already in, so AFAIC, let him keep talking

  14. Miranda says:

    The attempts at emotional blackmail with “what would Diana say?” are truly disgusting. When they pose that question, what they apparently expect us to believe is that Diana would expect Harry and Meghan to take all that abuse lying down. They expect us to believe that she would want them trapped in a toxic, racist environment, with virtually no protection for their privacy or the safety of their children, out of some twisted sense of “duty” to the RF. Bullshit. Diana, of all people, would understand why they left. Maybe her “revenge” is that Harry used her money to get the hell out of there, set up a new life, and, along with his wife, make a bigger impact than they ever would’ve been allowed to as working royals.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @ Miranda, I agree! Why do they keep bringing Diana up? Is it a tool to try and gloss over their own shortcomings, in addition to gaslighting her at every opportunity? Diana was certainly upfront about her treatment by the Royal family. She would have zero tolerance to everyone’s behaviour. And stop using Diana to guilt trip Harry!! Harry is very much his mothers son. We can all see Harry as a perfect reflection of Diana.

      Harry is an incredible man of empathy, devotion and compassion. You can’t fake that, even if you try repeatedly. When Harry and Meghan are in attendance to hundreds of people from all walks of life, they all come out and express how wonderful they both are!! How they were treated by both of them and how wonderful it was to interact with them. Everyone felt accepted and loved by Harry and Meghan, even small children who are certainly excellent detectors of those who are faking their way through the entire interaction.

  15. Amy Bee says:

    I’m not getting why Andersen is making excuses for the Royal Family. This is just annoying.

  16. Harla says:

    Lol! Harry is not making any phone calls for William to deny.

  17. Sofia says:

    I’m sorry but how is this supposed to vindicate them? “The royals aren’t racist but their staff are”. Well then WHO hires those staff hmmmmmm? The defence of “Well the royals are being controlled by their staff” isn’t a very good one. It just shows they’re incompetent bosses who cannot control their employees.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      No, it shows that they are comfortable behaving in this manner due to the fact that they are an extension of all of the racism that’s deeply rooted in every single one of their bosses.

  18. Lili says:

    I’m Sorry this whole mess once again show cases the queen’s Lack of leadership and direction and she failed miserabley to unite her household under an idealogy. She has been on the throne for almost 70years and has not done much to further womens rights, and considering a large protion of the commonweatlth are black or brown, and she has hosted several presidents from these countries, what does it say that a huge swathes of her extended family could be considered to have racist idealogies and are therefore able to exile a member of her Immediate family.

  19. Mslove says:

    I’m not buying Christopher Andersen’s watered down version of events. I bet Charles, William, the courtiers were appalled and enraged at what Harry & Meghan’s children might look like.

    I really wish people like Christopher Andersen would stop with this nonsense of painting the RF as “very much not a racist family.” They are very much a racist family.

  20. L4frimaire says:

    This actually makes it seem way worse than what Harry said because it involves the entire palace apparatus worried about what a baby looks like. I have zero interest in this book abd tired of the constant variations on a racist theme. They were horrible to the Sussexes, particularly Meghan, in so many different ways.

  21. Stelly says:

    So the royals aren’t racist they’re just fine with employing a bunch of racist courtiers. K…

  22. Merricat says:

    The fish stinks from the head. The royal family has no justification for employing a staff of racists unless they, too, are racist. It’s pretty obvious.

  23. TheOriginalMia says:

    Harry isn’t calling William. I don’t know if Harry is even calling Charles now. It’s not up to Harry to make amends or fix those relationships.

    Racist aristocracy? You don’t say. I mean…seriously, is that a surprise in an institution built by white people for the advancement of white people through birth. Come on. Of course, there are racists in the lot. I’d be more surprised if they were all BLM than that there were racist, classist, and elitist to the core.

  24. PoppedBubble says:

    Well this is certainly marching closer to the truth, isn’t it? We’ve gone from outright denial about anyone in the RF or their circle being racist, to a palace staff member telling Harry that there were “apprehensions” ( do you mean CONCERNS?) about HOW. DARK. THEIR. BABY. WOULD. BE.

    • Lorelei says:

      @PoppedBubble, yeah, I’m looking forward to whatever tomorrow’s party line will be, since it really has been changing by the day.

      These imbeciles 🙄

  25. PrincessK says:

    This book by Andersen who l have never heard of appears to be based on gossip mongering and l would not be surprised if it is all traced to a particular woman who loves gossip, writes cheap books and calls herself a ‘lady’.

  26. Coffeeisgood says:

    If Charles doesn’t give the first biracial grandchildren in the monarchy their titles, it will absolutely cement the fact that entire family is racist. It would be disrespectful and a slap in the face if their kids didn’t get titles like other royal grandchildren. I think it will be the cause of the whole family’s downfall too. I suspect that if the titles aren’t offered to them, Harry will absolutely name the racist family member who made the comments about Archie. The queen will have passed so I dont think he will care much about entirely cutting them out at that point.

    • tamsin says:

      According to current letters patent, are the grandchildren of the sovereign not automatically HRH’s? To deny them that, would Charles not have issue letters patent to specifically deny them? How would that be perceived?

      • Lorelei says:

        @Tamsin, sadly, it would probably be perceived very well by a large portion of their Fail-reading, MAGA-sympathizing base — the same people who’ve been screaming about how their titles should both have been stripped the moment they left UK soil.

      • Feeshalori says:

        You may also get a good portion of the population who are outraged that he’s denying his mixed race grandchildren their rightful titles. There will be a lot of views on this issue.

      • Sid says:

        Tamsin, you are right. As soon as QEII dies Charles is automatically king and the Sussex children are automatically HRH prince/ss. As you said, after he becomes king Charles would have to issue letters specifically stripping the children of the titles. The Daily Fail readers might rejoice, but a lot more people worldwide are not going to be impressed by that at all. I believe that is why the palace put out the lie that the Sussexes didn’t want titles for their kids. To provide cover for QEII or Charles to issue letters that would result in no titles for any Sussex kids.

  27. MelOn says:

    Okay, let’s say it was an innocent conversation, Charles had the power to shut down shenanigans by the men in the grey suits and he didn’t. Instead of telling Harry he was being oversensitive he could have said, that’s not what I meant and I’m sorry it was twisted that way and I’ll get to the bottom of it. He didn’t, so it’s STILL his fault. I also don’t think Harry is calling William, I think he’s quite happy where he is and they Sussexes are living their lives like its Golden!

    • Tessa says:

      It’s like gaslight, where the person is accused of “being overly sensitive” or “imagining things.”

    • A says:

      It always blows my mind how Charles manages to dig himself into deeper and deeper holes with everything. Like, with insisting that Diana cheated first–no, you dumbf-ck, that’s not the point. The point is not simply that you cheated or she cheated. The point is that YOU WERE A BAD HUSBAND. He constantly thinks he’s got like, gotcha’s up his sleeve when he really really doesn’t.

  28. Likeyoucare says:

    If Diana is still alive, she will took Harry away from the sunken place when charles had use harry as a shield by telling everyone harry was in rehab for drug.
    At least write it the right way.

  29. Over it says:

    I second you Kaiser, F all these racist people. That family is 💯 racist. This writer needs
    Stop digging shit ditches because he racist too with his wording and beliefs. So f him tool and I will die in the hill that it was William who said it to Harry

  30. mila says:

    I’m reading the book and it is much less sympathetic to William than you would think. Basically, the author claims that there was always a double standard regarding how the press/ courtiers treated both brothers. I am curious how it presents the whole “Sussexit” but so far it’s not sycophantic at all.

  31. A says:

    Hmmm. I think, if there’s any credence to this story, is that there were two conversations that were had. One was the far more racist one that Harry referred to, which I still think was from William (who I honestly think behaves like a 2007 era 4Chan racist edgelord at the worst of times), and the more “innocent” conversation that’s being referred to here. I do not think that the courtiers or anyone else twisted it around to make it more racist than it is. I think that whoever Harry heard the words from, it was said to him directly. He didn’t find out secondhand or through heresay.

    That being said, all of this sounds incredibly made up too. Like, I do not see this sort of conversation actually taking place. This reads to me like a really bad script of The Crown.

  32. RoyalAssassin says:

    I have to admit I’m just waiting for the day the Cambridges are totally and completely outed as the asshats they are, and the beginning came with the Murdoch site article about their “silence.” Those two disgust me more than I can even express. What IDIOT doesn’t know about Fabergé eggs??!! Well okay not everyone may know, but can this airhead even GOOGLE something about them before she sticks her ugly f***ed up face in a camera staring at these historical pieces??