Zoe Lister-Jones has her own story about Chris Noth. [Just Jared]
Billie Eilish reveals the thing which “destroyed” her brain. [OMG Blog]
Aline is the unauthorized bio-pic of Celine Dion. [Dlisted]
Chloe Moretz’s poncho is very strange. [Go Fug Yourself]
Jennifer Lopez went with Ben Affleck to Jimmy Kimmel Live. [LaineyGossip]
What in the world is going on with Grey’s Anatomy? [Pajiba]
Planned Parenthood is aborting Margaret Sanger Square. [Gawker]
Hello, shirtless photos of Jason Momoa. [Towleroad]
A Real Housewife was served divorce papers in Puerto Rico. [Starcasm]
People with interesting jobs reveal some industry secrets. [Buzzfeed]
Florida Man gets thrown off a United flight for wearing a thong as a mask. [Egotastic]
Zoe is a trustworthy person IRL fwiw
I agree. I went to high school with her.
I haven’t checked back in on the Noth thread in a while, but I’m assuming this is a different person than the “Zoe” cited in the Hollywood Reporter article? That person is using a pseudonym, right?
Yes, @ Becks1. Zoe is using a pseudonym as she is still in the business and is fearful of reprisals.
I am so glad that Zoe published her experiences with Noth. I have a feeling that there are many victims that he has left throughout his decades on this planet. I hope these reports of his rapes brings courage to those that are still silent.
I agree Zoe, F- Chris Noth.
@Becks yes— I can’t remember where I read it but apparently it’s a coincidence
Ok the link about the thong as a face mask brings my thoughts to all these “open gusset” lingerie that Nordstrom keeps showing me while randomly scrolling. I did bring this on by doing online shopping for bras, I suppose. My questions are 1) yes these are real but is it common? Are Americans in such a rush to have sex that they cannot stop to take off their underwear? And 2) if they have sex with underwear on, wouldn’t they risk getting skin lacerations?
The Grey’s Anatomy link is spot on. I binged all 17 seasons on Netflix last year, and found it pretty good (esp. considering I didn’t like it when it first started). Even the Covid season was ok when they stopped focusing on “Grey’s Beach”. But man oh man, THIS year!! It is baaaaad. I know they were talking of this being the last season, but it is BORING, the characters seem wilted, like even they can’t muster up the oomph for being a subplot for the *real* show: “Meredith In Minnesota!”
They should’ve had her die of Covid, and the show with her. This season is cringe-inducing.
I really liked Noth, had no idea he was disgusting.
Another one bites the dust…
Same. I am heartbroken 💔
I enjoyed watching him act but um…this does not exactly seem out of character, does it.
I thought Zoe’s statement was powerful. And, as 50-something, can totally relate to the idea that strong women are supposed to be able to manage men’s inappropriate behavior. No more!
I am 47, and I completely agree.
I’m kind of sickened by the fact that Zoe Lister-Jones has centered herself…or the media has…in a story that could very likely belong to WOC! And even if it doesn’t, I just don’t think her piece deserves much attention. She got sniffed on set. OTHER WOMEN WERE RAPED! FOH.
She acknowledged that fact in her statement.
Zoe’s story belongs to her. Not to any one else. And this is not a competition for who got raped. Her pain is valid. Women can still speak up about injustice even if it is not rape. I’m weirded out by the way you put that. I’m saying this as a rape survivor myself. A rapist not uncommonly engages in a host of micro-aggressions and tests the water and grooms a person prior to raping them. It’s a pattern.
She probably spoke up to help lend credence to the others and provide additional context. Because people are so desperate to ignore and disbelieve women who come forward about men’s crimes, it’s actually a good thing that more women (including privileged women) are joining in. She’s not dismissing other women’s experiences. Not every one will feel safe going public and releasing their names and identities.
“She probably spoke up to help lend credence to the others and provide additional context.”
That’s the sense I got of her statement as a whole. She led with her own story, but it read like that was intended to establish her level of honesty & sincerity. And that gave more weight to the larger statements she made at the end.
What Veronika said. Zoe Lister-Jones added a name that could be added to a face, to cosign that he is a vile human.
So you would have preferred she remained silent?
May I also see your rubric about what is “bad enough” on your sexual assault scale? SMH!
THIS!!
I believe the victims, but I was a bit put off by Zoe Lister-Jones’ contribution.
To me it felt like someone telling you they’ve had a massive heart attack, and you respond by saying, “Yeah, I know exactly what you’re saying, my chest is sore from too many reps at the gym yesterday.’
How is sticking her own neck out to corroborate other women’s stories anything other than support?
+1
It’s anything other than support if you want to blame the victims, and get a convenient scapegoat. She’s putting herself out to be a public face for the ones who cannot, FFS.
Hmmm. Not sure what that article regarding Margaret Sanger Square was suggesting. She was a heroine when it comes to birth control but she WAS a eugenicist and PP doesn’t want to be associated with that. I get it. They should rename it.
Wait, he smelled her and said she smelled good? Was there something more or just that? I really, really, really hope she’s not centering herself ahead of the WOC because Chris Noth smelled her once???? It has to be more than that??
Do you realize that is workplace sexual harassment? It’s not okay. Can we not downplay this? Geez.
I must be missing something, how is she centering herself ahead of WOC???
If you know you’re missing something, why don’t you stop to think real hard about it? Don’t have time for white woman bullshit right now.
Lola, you have a very fundamental point – THANK YOU! All women are tied together in being vulnerable to predatory men but white women need to see that the experiences of women of color are literally at the forefront – this has been America’s shameful history ALL ALONG.
Actually, that is not in anyway workplace sexual harassment. Harassment requires a pattern. This was a mild and pretty inoffensive one-off.
Is Chris Noth a rapist? Most likely. Is sniffing someone inappropriate? Yes. But this situation and the reaction to it is waaaay over the top.
Let’s keep the story centered on the actual victims. Thanks.
Harassment requires a pattern? Why? Harassment is harassment.
I agree Lola….. unless there’s something not being said?
He gets drunk at work (that is an issue) and says someone smells good…. ? Not seeing the big drama
As a HR professional who has investigated more than my fair share of sexual harassment cases, i can tell you that this is a big deal. Power imbalance, predatory behaviour, grooming, testing the waters, behaviour designed to put the “little woman in her place” in a male dominated workplace or setting…. this might seem a little thing as you read it on a piece of paper, but these little things rarely happen in isolation and invariably lead to much more serious situations.
While this instance is not rape, it demonstrates a pattern of behaviour. For me as an investigator, it adds to the case.
@Seaflower, I guess I’m a sexual predator then. I’ve told women they smell good a couple times in my life. So sorry.🙄
No, it’s not drama but have your manager ever smelled your neck and commented that you smell nice? And I guess not in a vert neutral tone? It’s not appropriate work behavior and I would freak out od my manager did that. It is a start to cross boundaries and shows Noth had no problem with that. So it adds to the story, it doesn’t put any experience in a competition.
I hate this practice to respond to someone’s experience like it doesn’t matter because someone experienced worse. Nobody equals something so horrific as rape to sniffing, but we can admit that those little things are the reason women don’t feel safe at work?
I worked with a guy who loved to look at me up and down and say „mm you look gooood!”. He was a director in my company so I never told him that I don’t want to hear it ever again but believe me, I avoided being with a guy alone in any conference room. Was is bad? No, only uncomfortable but does it mean it was ok and I sould just tolerate it? There should be a very clear line, especially in work environment that everyone should know not to cross, otherwise it is always a one small step after another and suddenly someone has their hands on you.
@Sue E Generis
“I guess I’m a sexual predator then. I’ve told women they smell good a couple times in my life. So sorry.🙄”
This kind of flippant, gas-lighting line gets used to discount victims’ experiences all the time. As I said below, I think you’re being pretty willfully obtuse in the way you’re talking about some of the issues brought up in these comments.
I wasn’t aware sexual harassment was a competition.
I didn’t get the sense that she was centering herself by recounting her own experience. That part was pretty matter-of-fact, it established that she has personally seen some of Noth’s creepy behavior. Then she moved on to recognize the two victims who came forward and talk about predatory/rape culture in general.
Ngl, it’s not great to read stuff like “it has to be more than that” and “not seeing the big drama” in response to someone publicly sharing their experience of weird, sexually charged behavior from their drunk boss.
So, she never said he was drunk when he sniffed her. She also didn’t say it was sexually charged. There’s plenty to discuss without indulging this foolishness.
It sounds like you didn’t really read her whole post. She did say he was drunk when he did that:
“He was drunk on set. During my interrogation scene he had a 22 oz. of beer under the table that he would drink in between takes. In one take he got close to me, sniffed my neck, and whispered, “You smell good.” ”
As far as your comment that it is indulgent “foolishness” to read that encounter as sexually charged in nature.. that seems like a really obtuse, bad faith take. Look at not only her description of his actions, but the fact that in the same paragraph she aligns herself with a coworker who experienced Noth’s “sexually inappropriate” behavior. Honestly, it’s way more of a stretch to try and argue that there’s NOT a sexual element to his gross sniffing behavior.
@Lola — having been an HR professional for many years and having dealt with a plethora of complaints from female staff members about unwarranted and inappropriate behaviour from male employees, AND having been the object of unwarranted touching and comments from male co-workers, your comment really rankles. Having a man who is clearly intoxicated, who is someone you’re having a professional acting relationship with, leaning into you sniffing and commenting “you smell good” is entirely unprofessional and unacceptable. Furthermore, this is not “white women bullshit”, it’s telling men who are not intimate partners that sniffing your neck and saying you smell good is NOT APPROPRIATE, it’s f*cking creepy. Quit trying to blame this on Karen behaviour, with his KNOWN history of sexual abuse and stalking, it’s women of ALL COLOURS who need to take their personal stories of his unconscionable behavior public.
Thank you.
What she says about the power dynamics is very smart. This guy is a monster.
I’m pretty grossed out by some of the comments on this thread. Good for Zoe for speaking up. Having an account from a public figure is going to make it a lot harder for people to discredit the previous victims’ statements.
Same here. I can’t believe other women are policing and dismissing her with the excuse of centering. I’m sorry, I didn’t realize we had to assign points to a sexual assault like it’s a figure skating competition and the person has to hit a certain mark before they are “approved” and validated as victims.
@Emily same.
Everyone deserves to tell their stories especially as it can help someone else. There is no competition here and please stop trying to use WOC to virtue signal. It’s gross.
Signed a WOC.
As a WOC, I second this completely. As if the way to hold powerful white men or any men for that matter who harass and abuse women of color accountable is to limit how many women can talk about behaviors they’ve experienced and witnessed from him. Outside of conservative and libertarian circles, this accusation rarely gets thrown at white gay men or men of color when they share experiences that verify that someone is shitty. Because when a man says something’s a problem, It’s A Problem. While that has helped girls and women in our communities in some ways, in other ways, it has definitely been an issue.
Agreed. It reads like just a new way to silence women, how dare you “center” yourself, you were “just” sexually harassed.
Yes, sexual assault is worse than sexual harassment, no doubt. But neither are okay and both are behaviors of predatory people, so that’s the point of her speaking up.
It’s also a way to *prevent* white women supporting WOC. If it is suggested speaking up to support someone who has made allegations is taking something away from the original complainant, women won’t do so, particularly if it is implied or even stated that speaking up is racist and trampling on the experiences of WOC.
Just to note, in my jurisdiction, what Zoe is talking about could well be admissible in court (to dispel a false impression if a defendant claimed never to have acted inappropriately).
The only person it benefits if other women don’t come forward is Chris Noth.
Zoe is lending her voice to establish that Chris Noth is a predator. She had an experience that’s out of the ordinary so she explained what it was. It’s not to compare to the other women’s experiences bc they’re different people who had different experiences.
I’ve worked with male colleagues who made comments that made me uncomfortable. Anything from commenting on how I looked to how they felt around me. Or by looking me up and down. They wouldn’t do this to a male colleague so it’s out of the ordinary and made me uncomfortable. I still consider my experience to be part of Me Too.