Today is Queen Elizabeth II’s Accession Day, the day she became queen because her father, King George VI, passed away. Just hours before Accession Day, Elizabeth released a statement. No, let me say it this way: Buckingham Palace released a statement which the Queen “signed.” In the statement, the Queen reflected on seventy years on the throne, and the passing of Prince Philip. She also stated (“stated”) her “sincere wish” that Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, be known as Queen Consort when the time comes. For seventeen years, Prince Charles has maintained a two-pronged approach on Camilla’s title: publicly, he insisted that Camilla would only be known as Princess Consort; privately, he is doing everything to ensure that Camilla will be named Queen alongside him. Getting the Queen to “sign off” on this is a major thing. Here’s what the Queen wrote, in part:
This anniversary also affords me a time to reflect on the goodwill shown to me by people of all nationalities, faiths and ages in this country and around the world over these years. I would like to express my thanks to you all for your support.
I remain eternally grateful for, and humbled by, the loyalty and affection that you continue to give me. And when, in the fullness of time, my son Charles becomes King, I know you will give him and his wife Camilla the same support that you have given me; and it is my sincere wish that, when that time comes, Camilla will be known as Queen Consort as she continues her own loyal service.
As I said, the Queen signed this document. It’s in her own hand. People are already suggesting that this was a quid pro quo on the Queen’s part: giving in to Charles’s long-held desire to see Camilla completely legitimized, in exchange for what? Likely protections for Prince Andrew, one would assume. My theory is that this is not so much the end result of a quid pro quo negotiation between Charles and the Queen, however. My theory is that these are not the Queen’s words whatsoever, and she was just told to sign what was put in front of her. Charles is in charge. Charles has been in charge for months. These words are Charles’s words, not the Queen’s.
Still, one must keep up appearances. Clarence House released information that Charles and Camilla were “touched and honoured” by the Queen’s words, as if they had no knowledge of it, as if Charles didn’t write it himself. All of the old-guard royal commentators – like Penny Junor – are crowing about how the public will just accept this because “the Queen said it.” Junor told the Mail: “This is brilliant news because if this is the Queen’s wish, then I don’t think people will question it. The Duchess of Cornwall thoroughly deserves the title. She will not overshadow Charles when he becomes King but she will be the strength behind the throne, giving him the confidence and courage he needs.” Yeah, Charles is obsessed with his mistress and always has been. That’s all this is.
Here are the Queen’s statement and Charles’s statement. He really called her “my darling wife.” Puke.
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He’s responding to his own statement. 🙄
It’s like
A man post a lame joke on twitter and use a burner account (with hot girl profile ofcourse)
to like and comment ‘Oh, you are so funny’.
Miss + M & Likeyoucare, lol. Man helps craft statement “from his mother”. Man puts out statement in support & appreciation of his “mother’s statement”.
This was always going to be like people have posted for a long time. I’ll just entertain myself thinking the Queen thought she was signing a purchase requistion for new beds & toys for her dog(s).
The “not overshadow“ line is a direct reference to Diana. That’s the tell that Charles wrote it – it was his main complaint about her.
How petty and small he must be that he cannot resist slighting her decades after her death? He is still threatened by her popularity even now.
Since that is a quote from Penny Junior it seems it’s the tabs that can’t let Diana go.
I agree. Lame and petty to still be complaining about Diana, read between the line Meghan also. Camilla will be mindless, voiceless and dangerless just like kate. Bravo. Pearls for the future of the english monarchy. lol
When @theroyalfamily’s Instagram posted this story earlier today the top 3 comments referenced “RIP DIANA” and the next two comments referred to disdain for Charles as king and how the Keenbridges should take over immediately.
Those comments and likes have since been replaced w warm words towards HM 🧐
Charles wrote Penny Junor’s comments?
Penny Junor has been believed to be close to Prince Charles for decades.
She often seems to speak on his behalf and clearly did NOT like DIana.
Penny Junor is a good friend of Charles and Camilla. She even vacationed with Camilla. She confessed a “soft spot” for Charles and finds Camilla “endearing.” She has written books praising C and C to the skies and slamming DIana. She made her point of view very clear for years.
I saw the “not overshadow” bit and thought immediately of Kate and the way she likes all the attention on her.
Case in point… I saw video of them inside Royal Albert Hall before the screening of the Bond film, that Gold sequin dress Kate was wearing really stood out and with the light reflecting off it you couldn’t see anyone else in the Royal party very well at all.
Cringing to think what Kate will wear to Charles’ Coronation.
I thought it was extremely misogynistic. Obviously women who overshine their man, like Diana and Meghan, are no good!
RE Charles writing PJ’s statements… likely not. But if her approach to this announcement is anything like the approach she took to the Sussexes interview with Oprah, Pennyprobably wrote her statements last week based on what she *imagined* the queen might say, and how she could spin that for whatever her petty lying agenda is at the moment.
So they can constantly change their rules as they go along!? I thought their word is their bond. This really is beginning to look like Weekend at Bernies.
They can, and will, change the rules as they go along to ensure that the weak and mean-spirited remain in “power”. As Obie pointed out Camilla has been working the media especially the Daily Mail for a while so it goes to show you manipulation works.
Ultimately this move will fast forward the irrelevance of the Monarchy after the Queen dies or abdicates. Charles/Camilla and William/Kate lack the skills and charisma to move the Monarchy forward. I hope Harry stays out of situation which will be difficult considering his loyalty to his mother.
It would have been changing the rules to make her Princess Consort instead of Queen Consort.
Exactly! There is no precedent for the wife of the King being a ‘Princess Consort’. She will be known as Queen Camilla.
Charles is effectively now the King and this will be reinforced over the coming weeks. It may be that the Queen will abdicate rather than totter on until she dies or until she becomes so frail that a regency is necessary. It feels like a well prepared plan is now unfolding.
We already knew this when Charles married Camilla. Who actually believed that “princess consort” thing?
Yup! It’s been Charles m.o. to gradually get the queen to sign off on making Camilla official. 1st he stated he wasn’t planning on marrying her in 2000. Guess what he did in 2005?! Then the promise of her being just a princess consort, and we’re now seeing how that promise held up!😒
I really don’t think that those princess consort stories ever held any validity. The wife of a king ALWAYS been referred to as queen (consort) so why change that now? The only thing I can think of on how those stories came about is a courtier gone rogue. Knowing full well the public wouldn’t warm to a ‘queen’ Camilla and looking if there may have been public support for a new precedent, calling her princess instead. But even if these talks were held among courtiers, i don’t think the royals would have signed off on it.
Even without the statement of the QEII camilla would have been queen consort.
I am not surprised. I knew she would not be Princess Consort.
Recollections may vary. lol
True, she was always going to be “Queen Consort” just as she’s the Princess of Wales right now, whether anybody addresses her as such or not.
It was dumb of them to ever bring up the whole princess consort thing. The female spouse of the monarch is queen consort and has been from the beginning of its use. Why change it for Camilla? If it was because of the adultery then it would only be punishing her and not charles. And we know that many male monarchs were cheaters in the past.
@NIC919: the whole thing is stupid because thanks to this statement all the focus is now on Camilla, Charles and the ghost of Diana. Instead of the queens 70 year reign. They must have been incredibly desperate for a distraction from randy andy.
Agreed, Nic919. The wife of the king is always Queen Consort, they’re not going to change it only for Camilla.
@Chloe, good point. Now all we’re thinking of is “the three people in the marriage”, not the Queen’s “day”. But they do this EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. They manage to dredge up drama that no one would’ve acknowledged had they kept their mouths shut. Dummies.
Yeah she was always going to be Queen so it was dumb to pretend she wasn’t.
Just like the fact that she is also Princess of Wales.
Indeed @chloe, we all knew. Also, let’s not forget that she will still be Queen Consort, even if she goes by Princess Consort instead. The whole thing is a bloody joke.
My only real interest in this queen consort stuff is the dishonesty around it. The palace specifically issued a statement in 2005 when Charles & Camilla were marrying saying Camilla would be princess consort. Two years ago they denied Camilla would be QC again. Meanwhile they removed the original PC statement & made no steps towards making a PC law change. so it was clearly just a statement to appease the public at the time of the marriage& the firm never intended to follow through.
I think Richard Palmer has a grumpy thread pointing this out. The palace was on the record saying she would be Princess consort and was even on their web site. That statement was eventually removed, so people aren’t just speculating. This is what they told the public to appease them when Charles married Camilla, but they knew that she’d always be Queen Camilla eventually.
Clearly that was a PR thing at the time. These two play the long game in getting people to accept her, remember?
Fine with me if she becomes QC, she’s certainly ah, put the work in over the years, she might as well.
Honestly I think the queen gave her support to Camilla long ago when they married.
I don’t think the queen just signs whatever is put in front of her but I do think she completely supports Charles because of tradition and respect for the institution. (Which doesn’t deserve respect but that’s just how she sees it.) It is way better in a practical sense for the monarchy to just have a king and his queen as usual than for the monarchy to awkwardly invent something unprecedented in modern times.
But I really don’t get these people at all, so could be completely off base. The monarchy is just weird and retrograde in general.
where is the paperwork that the queen had Chuck sign saying Prince Pedo wouldn’t be thrown out of his home or Edward gets Duke of Edinburgh?
Yes! Quid pro quo, plain and simple.
Someone on twitter commented that CarolE will be very upset about this.
That’s what I thought as well. Kate was supposed to be the first commoner queen. Somebody’s not liking this announcement. lol
I saw a few references to queen rose on the Twitter stream as well.
There have been other commoner Queen Consorts. Technically the Queen Mum was a commoner as she wasn’t royalty but aristocracy. And since Philip gave up his titles he was technically a commoner consort.
Someone on Instagram commented that people would rather have Andrew for Queen than Camilla.
@Carmen, really? Someone would rather have Prince of the non sweating, associate of a dead pedophile rapist, close friend of human trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell and rapist/sexual assaulter of Virginia, as Queen instead of Camilla? That’s f*cked up. You can be someone that dislikes Camilla and recognize how messed up that is.
So we’re going to see Prince William, in public, bow his head to his new Queen when the time comes? I’ll believe it when I see it… The Sun says both H & W were informed, but it doesn’t say whether they approve. Clarence has done a lot for Camilla’s image over the years, but the question of her title has never really budged among the public, even with the tabloids big upping her. I guess we’ll see the power of the Queen’s word.
I’ve read all the conspiracies too, mostly involving Harry…that it essentially will make things easier for Charles to cut Harry and his children out completely since he will no longer need him on this public campaign for Camilla. The tea about Andrew protections and also that it could be a preemptive strike against whatever is in H’s memoir. I suppose we’ll know soon enough.
Do William and Harry bow to Prince Charles?
Yes, they have. As PoW he is of higher rank.
This stupid family must bow to the higher rank the first time they see them each day in private. And the married ins must ALWAYS bow, unless with their husbands of higher rank.
For example, Anne must bow to Keen, a Duchess (oC), when Keen is with William, as Duchess “outranks” Princess. HOWEVER, if Keen is alone, she bows to Anne. Same thing with the Rottweiler. If she is alone, she bows to Anne, as a Blood Princess. But with Charles, she is PoW/DoC and Anne bows to her.
(I think I have this right! Lol. I do remember this whole Blood Princess crap was brought about because Anne refused to bow to “That Woman” as she referred to C)
It’s crazy that anyone is bowing to anyone out of obligation to rank.
The whole bowing in private thing is crazy. I get why Meghan was surprised about that. I didn’t know about that till the interview either but am sure that most royal watchers would have known. Regardless though, it’s just weird and prevents them from being a family and not an institution. If you’re taught all your life to bow down to certain members of your family due to birth order, you messed up. And it’s so important to them they can’t even let it be a purely public-facing thing but something they also do in private. Come on. Messed up. How can you teach your children about equality when this is how your family behaves in private, as in we bow down to the special genetics of this person and the order in which they were born. Gross. Thank god Meghan, Archie, and Lillie are out of there.
I thought the episode of the crown when she became queen and suddenly her mother and everyone had to bow to her got the point across nicely.
Ridiculous rules are all they have left (well, apart from the palaces and illicit fortunes squirrelled away).
I think it seems strange to us mere mortals who don’t have to worry about these things but for them it’s just a case is being polite and respectful.
When you think about how different cultures greet each other, there are many different ways and many things which might be considered impolite. Royalty just seem to have their own set of rules and I should think that for those born into it, it comes as second nature.
I doubt it feels like a big deal for most married-in’s either, since it seems like British people are generally all aware that this is what they do. It’s more about getting the rank right. I can see why it would be confusing to a non-Brit though, who might think this was for show, since so much of what the Royal family does is pageantry.
I think you have the ranks right @Jan but I don’t think it’s that Duchess outranks princess. The title alone doesn’t denote rank and even without the Duchess styling, Kate would still outrank Anne when she’s with William.
Blood royals outrank married in royals regardless of title. Anne only has to curtsy to kate if William is there because she’s curtseying to William. The main exception was Philip and so he was added into the order of precedence above everyone outside of the queen herself.
No they don’t . They are of equal rank as Princes and only bow to those of higher rank i.e. Majesty. The idea that the royals bow and curtsy to each other is gossip column fiction. Even the untitled royals like Princess Anne’s children don’t bow to their HRH relatives.
Yes they do bow and curtsey to each other in private, but the Order of Precedence is mostly a way of keeping peace in a backstabbing family. QEII establishes the Order, everyone knows their place in it, fewer fights at Christmas.
Even if they don’t approve there is not much they can do about it now is there? Its not up to them. And this is a hereditary monarchy. Charles is the next king. That makes Camilla, his wife, queen consort.
The whole bowing thing is just mystifying to me. I would love to show up at Sandringham one year and shout, “THIS IS ALL MAKE BELIEVE! STOP ACTING LIKE ANY OF THIS MATTERS TO LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE!”
LOL! Same.
Yeah, the whole bowing thing is crazy with BM pixxing on Meghan for not curtsying deep enough in accordance with whatever imagined protocol in effect. Just wondering – saw a thing of Spanish royals meeting w-ambassadors on youtube the other day and their ‘bows’ were all just nods of the head to monarch by both men and women. Why do Brits have to prostrate before their royal betters? Just a question.
Nah, Billy is ok with Charles and Camilla, he has made his peace with them over the years. It helps that he was older at the time when Diana used him as a husband surrogate so he doesn’t have the same idolized image of her that the public has.
Hikaru, I disagree. The “husband surrogate” talk comes from Charles’ sympathizers. I think Diana had William’s number but still loved both him and Harry very very much. Diana would put William in his place and she did not spend all that much time with him, since he was away at school and she really took her work seriously and did not just sit home. Diana wanted to remarry and have more children, she would love her sons but want a happy family. I don’t know how William feels but I think he is more like his Dad than his mother. William does speak about his mother, I don’t think he’s all that thrilled with Camilla but is establishment. He and Harry were both cordial to her which does not mean they love their mother less. I think Diana’s presence would have made a positive difference. Daddy coddles William and puts him before Harry. Diana would have been firm with William and not let him push out his own brother The “exile” of Harry and Meghan and family is a sign to me that Diana is really sorely missed.
The tissues under the door story from Diana was a fiction. William and Harry spent a handful of weeks with Diana year. They were at boarding school the majority of the War of the Waleses, and divided the rest of the year between Charles and Diana. William accepted Anmer Hall as his marital home, where Charles and Camilla had their relationship for years. William has no problem with infidelity, his own or anyone else’s.
We know she was crying to him about her life and making inappropriate confessions about her ex husband and her boyfriends and he was stuck having to talk her down from her meltdowns as a child. Even passing her tissues under the doors when she would lock herself up. She put him in a position of having to defend her honor and protect her from the consequences of her own behavior to the point that he couldn’t handle being around her any more by the end of things. He was still a child at the time.
I appreciate that she was good at leaving an impression and charming strangers which is why she was so popular with the masses but she was a deeply flawed human in real life and a mother who subjected her older son to emotional incest.
We don’t ‘know’ that. What we do know is that William was shipped off to boarding school at 8 and was away from both parents. Harry was shipped off a couple of weeks from turning 8, and C&D announced their separation a few months later. Was she a deeply flawed human like the rest of us? Yes. What she an enormous fib teller and exaggerater? Also yes. And her sons spent only a handful of weeks with her after age 8. So again, the tissue stories are to be taken with tons of salt.
@Nota is right, we don’t actually know any of this for sure. I don’t believe Diana was quite the perfect parent many people make out and I think she’s been put on a pedestal but we may never know the full truth because everyone will have a different version of events. Even if she were here now, it would be one side against the other.
We can deduct that Both William and Harry had challenging childhoods with parents who clearly had a lot of issues. It’s not unbelievable that Diana used William to deal with her emotions. It’s something which unfortunately happens quite frequently but I think we also have to keep in mind that details could have been exaggerated or twisted over time, to suit a narrative.
@Hikaru, we don’t know that. We know Jobson & other RR’s (like previously mentioned Charles sympathizers) have pushed that idea to help along the idea that Diana was emotionally unstable and discredit her Bashir interview.imo Andrew Morton, in his 2017 revised Diana book, claimed the tissues story as being an approved Diana “quote”. Easy to do when the subject is no longer living. Now, if he has that on tape that’s a different story. Morton needed to generate interest in his book.
It’s just gross that some of these stories have been pushed in that narrative. I see that being on Charles. Why William would be more upset with his mother’s interview which happened after Charles’ Dimbleby interview doesn’t make sense. Have we ever heard that William was big mad at his Dad about that?
https://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/30/world/prince-charles-in-tv-documentary-admits-to-infidelity.html
Diana was Gaslighted for years. Much like Meghan has been of late. Penny Junor and Sally Bedell Smith among other Charles sympathizers try to blame Diana because as they claim she was “damaged”. Even Charles’ elderly cousin, one of Mountbatten’s daughters said she was DAMAGED. No parent is perfect. There is no such thing as a perfect parent. Charles put Camilla first, always. To the detriment of his two sons. Charles I think believed he was the center of the universe and was raised that way by his grandmother the Queen Mum. He did not “understand” Diana’s being upset. She was 19 years old when Charles proposed to her, he was 32. Charles needed heirs and Diana filled the bill as a wife and future royal mother. He did not do right by her. Camilla never really left the scene. DIana had to be made of strong stuff to stay in that marriage for 10 years. The repercussions of this continues to this day, with the way Meghan is treated and Harry also. I think Diana’s true concern about William and Harry would have put a stop to the “feud” and Harry and his family never would have left. Diana would have had the “guts” to confront William about his treatment of Harry. Charles sure didn’t.
LOL, Harry already left there’s no cutting him out. He cut himself out and ran from this shit show.
This is like some crazy person saying “well no I actually break up with YOU!” immediately after you just broke things off with them.
Harry, Meghan and family made a lucky escape!
This @ HeyJude. Harry left the shit show. The best thing Charles/William/BM could do for themselves is to not be negative about Harry & Meghan’s life. The DM lawsuit that MEGHAN WON and false bullying allegations that they have to put off reports of because…they’re false, do not put them in a good light. I’ll be Janina Gavankar…show us with your receipts because Meghan has hers. Valentine Low has yet to show Jason Knauf’s email to Simon Case and Simon Case’s response to a supposed email from Jason Knauf. So Valentine, how did you verify your source?
Does anyone else lol at ‘my sincere wish’? I’m good with saying my wish and people that know me would laugh if I had to insert ‘sincere’into the request. Since forever, people have known what Chuck’s wishes were re:Camilla. Well, mostly. We don’t really want to know all of them. We already know more than we want.
That man is 70 something years old, and they’re still talking about not being overshadowed by his “wife”. Jesus christ, the level of insecurity these Windsors possess is beyond pathetic. There’s no way Meghan would’ve been able to survive without being a total zombie had her and Harry stayed back there. Her breathing overshadowed everyone in that family!
Overshadowed by his wife? LOL. I thought we lived in the 21st century.
Tessa, we do live in the 21st century. Sadly, the RF do not.
Lol they mention it because at 70yrs old he is still being overshadowed by his first wife. This whole bait & switch with the title occurred because Princess Diana was so popular with the masses they would have been pissed to have a Queen Camilla. And yes Sussexit was divinely timed. Shits about to get weird.
Charles was overshadowed by Camilla the day she gave that domestic violence speech. Think what you will about her, she threw herself into it and expressed fury and passion about the issue that is beyond the reach of any of the born-in royals.
PS – methinks the recent pics of the queen are fakes and she may already be dead.
I don’t know if she’s already dead, but I believe she’s close. You can feel it. Something is very off these days, and it seems as if a lot of rushed preparations are being made, as if they know it’s coming and they’re bracing for impact.
charles won’t be overshadowed by Camilla, William or Kate. And he must realize it. Camilla probably has had the speeches prepared for her. Camilla treated Meghan badly and IMO she is not one to preach about abused women.
@Gabby I wondered the same thing about fake pics of the Queen. The pics I saw of her in DM yesterday she looked too perky & broadly smiling. Weird.
Now we know why CH has been talking about Harry’s biography. Camila played a greater part in attacking Meghan like she did to Diana before. It makes me think of the picture of Meghan where she wore the black Dior dress passing by Camila at a military event and the look on their faces. So Charles has played a long game and Camila is all he cares about so:
1. Get rid of Meghan with unintended consequence being that Harry left too.
2. Offer up M as red meat to the British press
3. Conspire with William to sabotage Harry knowing this would drive a wedge between the brothers and ultimately weaken William’s position without Harry backing him up.
4. William is now alone after betraying his brother and he also helped the firm to attack the BBC while calling his mother paranoid.
I was just thinking about point 3 before. I wonder if PWT realises he’s been played and lost?
It’s William’s fault for sabotaging Harry. But Charles not getting involved was endorsing the behavior. William sold out his own mother by wanting to “censor” the Bashir interview.
Yes William did what he did and Charles sitting by letting it happen because it would benefit him in the long run and I also feel this announcement was giving KP and their lackeys a warning with the Kate/ Future Queen stories. It’s clear the Cambridge’s have gotten too big for their boots and this also a distraction for Andrew.
I am not so sure that the Kate embiggening will stop.
I’ve often wondered what was Camilla’s beef with Meghan, since Meghan was in no way a competition to Cam in anyway?! Then I realized it went back to her beef with Diana. Meghan star power reminded the public of Diana. And so her (along and Harry) being out and about interacting with the public kept the spirit of Diana front and center, and that was a big threat to Charles and more so for Camilla! Especially after Charles spent decades rehabilitatiing her image, and wouldn’t want anything to disrupt that plan. So by Meghan (unknowingly) conjuring up Diana’s memory, there in lies Miss Tampon’s beef with Meghan.
You’re underestimating the race factor. Camilla is nothing else if not a pillar of old the English aristocracy. And these people are racists. Having a biracial woman in their family, “ruining their noble stock” was a personal insult to their racist egos.
For the most part it’s race-based. Having a bi-racial woman polluting the royal gene pool was more than she could stand. Never forget her snark when asked if she would miss Harry and Meghan…she turned to the camera, paused, smirked and said…”course” and swanned off.
This. It’s clear that family didn’t like Meghan from the beginning and everyone was involved in trying to make her life miserable. There’s no doubt KP was jealous and threatened but Clarence House was involved, being sneaky. Nobody is innocent in this. They just didn’t expect Harry to leave and the media didn’t want Meghan to leave because she made them too much money. The Royals wanted her gone but the tabloids needed her. It’s sick.
Also, you make a good point about William being alone. Charles knows William needs Harry and he’s clearly struggling without him. Why do you think the press is so desperate for a return? Money and threats from the Rota of course but because they know William is kinda useless and I think he knows it too.
It could also be Harry who is more his mother’s son. William is like his father. Maybe there have been some issues between Camilla and Harry. William went establishment Harry did not.
It says a lot about Wills that it did not occur to him that his father has 3 siblings, who all work (worked, in Pedo’s case) for the royal family. He tossed his one sibling without a backward glance, and now we all get to sit back and watch him refuse to work, as well as his wife. It’s such a joke, at this point, I’m not sure how any media is applauding any member of this family.
It’s like watching a trainwreck. What sort of people push out a family member because they “won’t” accept his wife. And this is a very public family, and Will and Charles seem to show no regret. They even made a big fuss about KATE “taking” Harry’s patronage. Very dysfunctional. And no kind words about C and C by the queen can erase that IMO.
While I am sure some stories could have come from Camilla, the crying story comes from kate and her circle and still has not been corrected. Also the commonwealth service snub is video evidence of kate having issues with Meghan over a silly procession. William and Kate had their own jealousies and motivations and we can’t deny Jason Knauf openly assisting the Mail on Sunday in their lawsuit.
Charles’s failure is more in not controlling William.
Agreed, Nic919. The trackable stories come from Kate/Midds or from William. The bullying stories, the staff abusing Meghan, all of that tracks to KP/William/Kate too.
There is so much dysfunction in that family. Charles could have told Kate to deny the story of the crying and stopped the charges against her “bullying” staff. He is in charge and could use his power to stop the problems.
Wow Lurker8 brilliant theory of state of play. Camilla has been a big beneficiary of recent events when you set it out like that & breaking up the popular Diana sons duo is probably helpful for Charles.
I thought no hands were completely clean in the Meghan smear campaign but didn’t take these ‘concerns’ about Camilla & the memoir seriously. But Peter hunt said Camilla has been canny& kept the tabloids& Mail especially close. Plus Camilla Tominey said she was a good gossip. So maybe she played bigger part than imagined.
I always thought the princess consort thing was BS so funny to see Richard Palmer from the express basically confirming the palace knew it was rubbish. I thought that garter thing Camilla got recently was more proof that Charles is really in charge & I think this queen Camilla statement is more proof of that. Getting Elizabeth to endorse something that is apparently still a bit of an issue with the public & try consolidate support for her.
If you look at the comments alone in The Fail, their Brexit Base seem VERY against this (not that it matters a damn to The Tampon Prince, and apparently, his pet Rottweiler. Doggie still has sharp teeth it seems). They have the achieved their end game.
Checkmate, Game, Match. They won.
I don’t think there are any winners. I think the RF is still very dysfunctional with much infighting.
I don’t think TQ ever had much of a problem with Camilla, aside from the fact that the public hated her. Liz was never a fan of Diana and found her popularity/drama a nuisance to the Monarchy. I’m sure she considered Cam and her boozy nature/willingness to put up with Charles’ other mistresses to be huge assets to the monarchy. Whatever upholds the status quo is good for Her Majesty and I’m sure she really is “sincere” in her “hope” that that woman becomes Queen Consort.
I honestly think you are giving them too much credit if you think they played any kind of chess here.
They threw M to the wolves to distract from Andrew and Williams affair, thinking H&M would stick around forever to take abuse as The Spare for the good of The Crown. That’s it. That’s as far as the thought went.
If they thought one step ahead of that I’ll eat my hat.
Yes, the Keens are alone and Kate will have to work. William is now subservient to Charles for a very long time. I not noticed that the number ofHM articles have decreased dramatically.They post a story but the traction is no longer there. I think the KEENS are about to become red meat again. Long term, Charles will attempt to reestablish ties with Harry because again his legacy as loving father now that Camilla queen ship is assured. GoT is here and Will is Ramsay or Theon
Charles has to establish ties with Harry and Meghan and their children. If he just looks to Harry he is going about it the wrong way. He should apologize for the way he acted but the trouble is IMO Charles never admits he’s wrong (he could blame William). Charles should not have let William behave that way in the first place. Harry and Meghan may never want to come back. Too little and too late.
Here at the celebitchy comments section, we’re very good at picking up on everything. The fact Charles went completely under the radar all this time in terms of the Meghan smear campaign, goes to show just how good he is at playing the game. The Oprah interview exposed him. Camilla has completely stayed out of it publicly which means she’s probably playing an even better game. William and Kate were too dumb n short sighted, they literally their name with every single smear they sanctioned.
But I think camilla has one very clear goal rather than win popularity points, she wants to be queen.
I think Camilla wants to be Queen. I think what made Charles angry was Harry “outing him” on the Oprah show about his behavior. I don’t blame Harry for doing that.
This peasants are a trifle perturbed by this announcement. Camilla might get hit by a bread roll again next time she steps out for a smoke. Is there anyway to blame Meghan for this?
Charles had to get this “in writing” before the Queen dies, before Harry’s memoir and before The Crown, Season 5 which will remind the world that Camila was nothing but a glorified side hoe who conspired to push Diana out (and possibly Meghan too).
I wonder if the queen had written this years earlier whether the public would accept it more. Bc right now, she’s clearly not in her best health and that’s when the statement comes out, which is sketch. I’m just not sure the statement will hold up over time in the eyes of the public. But at the end of the day, it’s hereditary and Charles’ wife will be queen, whether the queen put out this statement or not. I guess this is more about trying to have Camilla be beloved in the public.
I suspect if it had occured around the time of H and M wedding, and before the Crown reminded everyone that they treated Diana appallingly, they might have gotten away with it. But over the past few years sentiment has swung against thm again
C and C were not “bothered” until the Diana episodes came on.
Even if the Queen didn’t write a letter of patent, Charles would do it as soon as he became King. I was under the impression they could make any changes they wanted with a LoP. I mean, he plans on writing them to strip the Sussex children of their titles, so why not write one to give her a title? I understand that to some, the Queen’s approval means everything, but it was going to happen regardless.
This isn’t a letter patent issue, it is an Act of Parliament issue. An MP tried to the change legal when they changed the royal marriage act, but no one would take him seriously. He considered the current system sexist and wanted to change the system so Queen outranks King. A Queen’s husband would be Prince Consort, a King’s wife would be Princess Consort.
Agreed. This is exactly like the Duke of Edinburgh title. It’s never mattered that Philip or Elizabeth wanted Edward to have it, Charles is next in line, and thus he gets to do what he wants to do.
I never believed she would by named Princess Consort, Charles was all out to have her Queen Consort.
This is just proof that Charles is person actually in charge not the Queen. It’s also interesting that the “Queen” was incapable of putting out a proper statement of support for her grandson when he decided to step down as a senior royal to protect his family and their mental health. Great job overshadowing the Queen btw
Such hypocrisy. So it was “bad” for Harry to marry a divorced woman and he was slammed and his brother told him to “slow down”. Now a divorced woman is marrying a divorced man (she was also the other woman in the first marriage) and the Queen issues an edict. If only the Queen had issued one for Harry and Meghan. Such a bad choice on the queen’s part, really bad. Maybe she should have waited until after the Jubilee, some are not happy with this turn of events.
Tessa, it was *NEVER* about Harry marrying a “divorced” woman. It was *mostly* about M being a *BI-RACIAL* (identifying as Black), and *then* being an AMERICAN woman. The divorced part was just a cherry on top.
Yes that is so true. Also, Meghan was bright, intelligent and proactive, the royals don’t like that in consorts. Diana was not a Stepford and for that was not appreciated by the royals.
To me, Queen Camilla will always be:
Bow to the Queen, Harry and William.
1/2 of the couple who couldn’t be adults, and part of the reason your children will never be held by Diana.
But strip Harry of all his titles because biracial grandchildren.
I hope they are getting hell over there
I don’t really care if Camilla is called queen but that’s probably just because I don’t attach much significance to the titles. Well, accept for the fact that she will always have security bc of it. Mostly I care that Charles threw his kids under the bus in order to rehabilitate her image. And I care that Camilla seems to have been a part of the smear campaign against Meghan. That’s why neither of them should be king or queen. If they’d treated people kindly and tried to be better people in the past 20 years, fine. But they haven’t and they’re trash.
What is so bad in all this that even after Diana died, she is still being thrown under a bus. William even wants the Bashir interview suppressed.
I co-sign on throwing his children under the bus, and I believe this are the parts of Harry’s memoir Charles is scared of with regards to Camilla.
It is quite obvious given her “cozy” relationship with the press and the Daily Mail in particular that Camilla has been leaking like a sieve for the last 30 years. That is how you go from public enemy to the press’ darling.
Stuart Higgins then editor of the Sun reported he would get weekly calls from Camilla (during the C and D) marriage giving her side and had the impression she and Charles were in touch with each other.
Enjoy the goodwill while it last Charles and Camilla. Season 5 of the crown is acoming.lol
I honestly think there is a lot of bad will out there now.
There is certainly still a lot of bad will with a certain demographic but for the most part people don’t care/have no interested or opinion on the matter.
True, Digital Unicorn. There are some ardent hangers on in the royal watcher area who still care, but they are a small small minority. Most people do not care about royals and if they do, they don’t care about a failed marriage 30 years ago. Charles and Camilla have been married fo 17 years, of course she’s going to be Queen Consort if he becomes king.
I don’t think Charles is all that popular. Neither is William. I don’t think Camilla was nice to Meghan which is a negative about her in my opinion.
Ultimately popularity isn’t the issue, it is whether or not the general population wises up about money. Most in the UK do not think about the royals, they are not part of their daily lives and never will be. QEII isn’t popular she’s just ancient and has been around for 70 years. Doesn’t mean people would vote to keep her as a monarch, they’re simply stuck in inertia. Conversely a popular monarch wouldn’t stop people from questioning the existence of a monarchy or calling for its removal. Monarchies are at the end of their time, popularity doesn’t change that.
The people who don’t like Camilla don’t tend to be royalists so their opinion won’t matter much to the system. The royalists still like the queen even if they don’t like charles as much and so if she has approved it then the royalists will fall in line. So in that sense it was a great strategic move from Charles. Now I think his response may be over-egging the pudding because no one believes he didn’t know she was going to do this.
I am nervous about the Queen being persuaded to take Harry’s and Meghan’s titles. She seems to be manipulated and maneuvered. I am so glad Harry and Meghan left.
“Take” which titles exactly? Because she can’t just take either of them. She doesn’t have that power
Requires an parliament approval and Boris Johnson is in lots of trouble, nobody wants this at this point because will play internationally and confirm racism
I’m talking about DM “bots” who keep going on about removing the titles.
They will forever be the MVP’s for getting the hell away from there. Meghan never embracing the Rota was the second best thing. Keep her away from those vultures. It’s all smoke and mirrors anyway. It’s all fake.
@Brit: I’m incredibly happy that Meghan never actually met any of them:
1. The press wouldn’t have gotten better because of it. They were put on a job by the royal family after all.
2. If she would have met with the rota, they would have used that to give their slanderous articles more validity.
Definitely one of their better decisions.
Tessa, Harry is a prince by birth. It cannot be taken. Nor can his Ducal title. Parliament would have to get involved and the House of Lords would NEVER let it happen, as in if Harry could be “stripped” of his birthright, so could they! There’d be a revolt first.
I don’t know if legally they can even *make* him stop using his titles. I know they willingly acquiesced to *not* use them after stepping back, but I think, legally, they could.
Any CB British lawyers here to chime in?
I know that. But with “that family” they try to get away with things. It is the putting Harry and Meghan in the same category as Andrew that bothers me a lot.
Why are you nervous about H&M’s titles? They can’t erase that H & his family are royalty. Or how people see them.
They also have their own money and influence that they use to protect themselves. Those ducal titles (or whatever they’re called) don’t offer them any real protection even while having them.
Also that’s not something the Queen has power to do on her own. It opens a door none of the royals would really want opened.
As others have said, Liz doesn’t have the power to do that. And even if she could and did, the American press would STILL call him Prince Harry and (probably) Princess Meghan anyway.
@Tessa – it would require a protracted Act of Parliament to do this, the Queen can’t just take away titles because of sour grapes. Furthermore, it would have to be based on an act of treason or sedition against the country. England has enough on its plate right now, faffing around about titles is not high on their list of priorities.
After he becomes King, I wonder if Camilla’s children will get titles?
They won’t because they aren’t charles’ kids. Titles only go to direct descendants of the monarch. Camilla’s children aren’t Charles descendants.
Chloe, they won’t get any inherited titles through Charles, but he can certainly create titles for them. So I think it’s highly likely he’ll give her children titles. (Hasn’t he already given them money? And he’s definitely hired her sister to be his interior decorator, probably at some inflated salary.) Just like The Other Brother will do for the Midds, if the monarchy lasts long enough for him to be king.
@sussexwatchwr: titles such as? I’m sorry but at most Charles will be able to give them an honour like CBE, MBE or whatever. Im sure he has a separate bank account where he keeps money for Camilla’s children, but they won’t get any titles. He will never get away with that type of nepotism. The UK public will have his head.
I doubt he’d do that because titles wouldn’t matter. Remember how badly W&K were torn apart when the idea of titles for the Middletons were floated? The era of giving titles to married-ins’ families is long over.
No they can’t inherit titles from their mother and they are not children or grandchildren of a reigning monarch.
To me this was never in question – Chuck has always made it clear that she would be known as Queen Consort on his ascension.
I think this has come from Charles in part to shut down all the Middleton PR of Mutton McButtons being the next Queen Consort. The PR around that has been in over drive recently – the Middletons overplayed their hand as always with this. Trying to shove Cams to the side like this was never going to go down well with Chuck.
This also shows that Charles really is in charge now.
I agree. Camilla will be Queen Consort when Charles becomes king. I think the announcement is timed to remind the CEO and her family that she is only FFQ and there is a FQ ahead of her.
This. It puts a damper on Kate she will be queen stories. I could care less that Camilla will be named consort but I love that she will hold the title before Kate. Especially since she will be queen was the only defense for Kate when Meghan started to out duchess her and proved to be a more capable duchess.
It does give William leeway. Suppose he decides to divorce Kate, his second wife could still get the title Queen Consort.
It has nothing to do with divorce, as CoE has allowed divorced people to remarry in the Church since 2002. Divorce is not the legal or religious stigma you seem to be implying, not in the UK and not in the CoE. No matter how many wives they marry or divorce? If the woman is legally his wife at the time he becomes king, she’s Queen Consort.
Yes Uncle Gary’s comments really look dumb now. Maybe some of the weird PR around kate recently was her realizing that this announcement about Camilla was in the works and she had to secure her position in other ways.
So much of that Kate Must Be Queen Now commentary came directly from Bucklebury. It speaks more to the shambolic state of the W&K marriage than anything.
It also makes me laugh now thinking about the rare outing of Kate with Charles and Camilla. Now it looks like that was designed to show Kate’s tacit approval of Camilla as queen bc she’s out there supporting their events. I wonder if Kate knew that this statement was specifically coming out this week or if she just got kept in the dark and used. She wants a new house though so I guess she’s gotta do what she’s gotta do.
Watch the next PR campaign will be around “Kate, the next Princess of Wales”. That’s the one thing they can hold over Camilla and Charles’ heads since the “jump the line” campaign is a bust.
The Midds could try, MsIam, but Charles gets to decide when and if he ever gives William the POW title. If William wants Kate gone, he’ll work with Charles to make sure the title is withheld until Kate is long gone.
@Jais – Exactly. I firmly believe Kate knew this was coming and the “happy family outing” was no more than a performative show of her support for Camilla as QC. I also think Charles has made it clear to her that the embiggening coming from the Midds must stop, and it’s time she got off her bony a$$ and did some real work. Make no mistake, Charles is holding the royal reins now and he could very well convince William that she’s more of a liability than an asset to the family and withhold the PoW titles until he jettisons her.
Agree @jaded in that Charles is holding the royal reins and is making things clear to Kate. It def played out as happy family out an event to support the future queen camilla. But how much of that was Kate privy to? I just think it would be funny if he pushed her to do this event with them under the pretense of showing unity in the face of everything going on with Andrew or for whatever reason.
So she does the event but has no idea this camilla statement would be released so soon after. Obv, she has to support them either way but really why would anyone tell her this statement was about to come out bc she’s inconsequential in these decisions.
So she got used for PR, which she was willing to do, but didn’t realize the PR was actually about Camilla and was totally played by Charles.
I’m literally just spitballing this scenario and she could have totally been in the know about everything, but after all the embiggening she has done for herself, it would be an awesomely petty backstab by Charles. I’m just imagining Camilla and Charles smiling throughout the event with the knowledge of this announcement that Kate knows nothing about.
@Jais this is my favorite scenario. Kate comes out dressed in her twee skirt, flips her hair and thinks “I’m in” only to find out over the weekend she’s been used by Charles and Camilla. After all the good press Kate got once Meghan became the scapegoat, it’s making my day to think that Camilla and Charles pulled a fast one on her. And here’s a thought, William hasn’t been seen in ten days or so, making me think he is somewhere, either on vacay with his buds or his new sidepiece. The dastardly C&C know this, and invite the unsuspecting Kate to join them for the first time ever. Now there are lots of smiling pics of the two future Queens together that Clarence House can use when they need. Charles is getting to be quite the mastermind; or maybe these are Camilla’s ideas?
The Queen’s letter makes it very clear that Charles is in control now.
It explicitly secures Charles’ birthright to be the next King with an elevated Camilla as Queen consort by his side and it indirectly punishes William and Kate for their active and fierce PR campaign to become the next king and queen at the cost of C&C. Something they hoped to achieve with the help of a now weakened PM Boris Johnson and some press barons.
The letter does not even mention a promotion for William and Kate to automatically become the next Prince and Princess of Wales. This signals to me that Charles wants to effectively end the rivalry with William and Kensington palace. It seems that Charles is holding back the titles (including the title Duke of Edinburgh) to have his hands free when designing and reorganizing the slimmed down monarchy.
It will be interesting to see which direction this takes in William’s and Charles’ relationship. I agree with some that William took a selfish risk and has foolishly isolated himself. He’s in a power vacuum now.
I now wonder if the supposed move of the Cambridges to Windsor is a result of Charles exiling his competitors William and Kate from the capital of influence, London. It all would make sense now.
To conclude, while W&K were loudly playing chequers, C&C were silently and strategically playing chess.
There was never a question about Charles being next. It did not have to be secured despite all the spin about William being next. No matter what W and K did, this was going to be the outcome. The Queen cannot endorse William and Kate to be Prince and Princess of Wales. Only Charles can and only after he becomes monarch. Charles cannot confer those titles before he’s King even if he wants to. William and Kate are not fond of working, So I doubt Charles has any worries about that. I don’t think C and C were “playing chess.” Charles blundered big time, letting Harry and Meghan and two of his grandchildren being exiled.
It was only in the fevered dreams of kate stans that the throne would skip Charles. The male primogeniture system has been in place for over a thousand years and skipping the prince of wales for popularity reasons also means that it could go to anyone, not necessarily William or the next Windsor.
I get that it’s easy to get into conspiracies here, but these are human beings in a family, not just title-holders trapped in time.
In 1991, six years before Diana died, my own mother died when she was 36 (same age as Diana), and my sister and I were 15 and 12 (same ages as W & H). We have NOTHING else in common with royalty, ha. But my father had treated my mother–and, consequently, my sister and me–horribly during her lifetime.
Now, over 30 years later, an entire lifetime has happened. I’ll always remember my mother, but I learned (through much therapy and the sheer passage of time in which I developed my own life) that holding on to anger and forever living in that moment stopped me from living a full life. While I can’t say that I ever forgave him (he died in 2012), I learned to see him for the man in front of me in the moment–someone who eventually made efforts to do better, such as it was–than to forever see him as the man who was terrible to my mother.
Given the above, I found the most impactful line of QE’s statement to be the one about how–at nearly 100 years old–she remembers the day as much for the death of her father as for her ascension. Like the queen, I love and remember my mother who died too young every single day.
@Emily Your mother passed so young, and leaving you and your sister must have been so heartbreaking for her. Thank you for sharing your story of how you have grown and coped over the years.
If Charles did make promises about pedo, even in writing, he will not keep them once she is dead. The way Charles is showing his true self with denying his brother his promised title and wanting to share the wealth with fewer royals and making cam Queen… if he threatens to remove Harry’s titles and does… and the first time Burger King refuses to bow to her… his precious monarchy will not last a decade. The way the “reporters” are all pushing how great this is…. It means it is not great and the people will demand to know why the royal list has shrunk, but tax payer expenses have not …. Especially when tax payer expenses are rising….Why do they need this bs in 2022???? Have royals that are not tax payer funded.
I doubt any promises needed to made. Charles knows that Andrew is a huge problem, but Andrew unleashed and unfunded is an enormous threat. Andrew will be taken care of, through a large inheritance from mummy and/or Charles keeping tabs and making sure Andrew is controlled via purse strings.
PP’s title passed to Charles when PP died. It stays with Tampon until he becomes King, at which point it will merge with the Crown, and then HE chooses whether he gives it to Edward. Tampon has made noises he wants it as it’s a higher ranking title than his own Scottish Dukedom. And we know how petty he is. I’m sure he *loves* having this over Ed’s head.
Charles would have great difficulty removing those titles of Harry and Meghan (discussion of this in thread further up). I don’t think Charles is that fond of Edward and Sophie, so he will IMO make them wait that is if he is giving him the Duke of Edinburgh title at all.
This wasn’t a surprise. Princess Consort is not a thing and the only way it was going to be a thing was through a letters patent – something that’s not really talked about as happening let alone actually take steps to make it happen.
Makes me wonder if William was supposed to join C&C with Kate this week to complete the happy families image but he (for whatever reason) said no.
An MP proposed making the change legal in 2012 or 2013 when they were discussing the 1772 marriages act. He was shut down immediately. The Duchy of Cornwall also refused to make changes, so if W&K’s firstborn had been a daughter she wouldn’t have been the future Duchess of Cornwall. That would have upset the entire sexist aristocratic title/estate inheritance system which is currently under fire in the European Court of Human Rights.
It was MP John Hemming who proposed the Prince/Princess Consort change, if you want to look up his proposal.
Bulliam is sceduled to go off on his first official jaunt to the mideast to genuflect to the saudis. He leaves later this wk so given tht his head is hard, i guess he’s been undergoing some intense prep.
Oh, FFS these useless people and their fake-ass jobs. Can you imagine being so obsessed with these fakata titles? Clearly they need something to occupy their time because playing dress up and waving at peasants can only fill so much of the day. Ugh. So glad Harry and Meghan got out of that awful family. #abolishthemonarchy
In the battle of Charles and William, it was never Bill’s to lose, since he never won in the 1st place.
If William ever thought he could outplay his father, he’s even more of an idiot than I realized.
1. Charles is a great strategist, and patient as hell. He’s already had to wait decades for the crown, and so playing the long game is what he’s perfected over time. While Harry has been blessed with his father’s strategy thinking Gene, Bulliam has not.
2. William, unlike Charles (and Harry), was handed everything in life, he’s never had to work for anything, not even to woo his wife (she was a willing doormat waiting for him to pick her over all of his ex’s). So he has absolutely no work ethic to fall back on, and that’s something Charles will always hold over him.
3. Even when it comes to being blessed with things from his mom side, all he got was her looks (temporarily). He got none of her compassion, her work ethic, her charm, her charisma, and most importantly, her star power. All of those went to Harry as well.
4. While he got (almostl none) of his parents pros, what he did get from both parents, were their emotional side. Bully is a water sign, just like both his parents (and his son, it seems. Good luck to him on that😬). And that combo seems to make him emotionally unstable with no guidance all his life.
While his mother tried to instill structure and responsibilitiesfor both if her sons, bully was allowed to skate by and get away with everything by everyone else in his life, since it was always the spare’s job to take the fall. And with no guidance, came no responsibilities, Willy boy grew up with nothing to fall back on now that he’s an adult. Charles got his Princes trust and his global warming initiatives, etc. And Harry was (very) smart to create all of his lasting projects outside of the royal bubble. So the royals couldn’t steal his Sentebale or Invictus projects (+ a few others), and both are thriving very well!! And William has absolutely nothing, cause his Earthshot ain’t shit to write home about. No one is competing to be the next country’s host for that project. Yet we see so many countries fight to be the host the next Invictus games!
So if George and his siblings are smart, hopefully they takes their grandpa, grandma, and uncle’s approach in terms of creating a lasting legacy, and not go their dad (and mom’s) route.
It really is stunning, how proactive Harry was, as a really young man! Sentebale, especially, he was so young!
This just looks and feels chaotic and a bit disjointed. If the plan was to make this big announcement on today of all days why not spend the time propping Camila up these last couple of months as opposed to Keen? I mean the last couple of months we’ve gotten Camila making fart jokes about a foreign leader…Camilla hates Meghan for what she did to Charles… and on and on. Even if most of this was coming from balding and Botox you mean to tell me that Charles couldn’t shut that down and start getting everybody use to queen Camila despite literally running the palace? If this is what it looks like when the queen is barely holding on, I can only imagine the disasters to follow when she’s gone!
I think the Keen promo was because they knew this was in the works and someone was scrambling to make people forget about what uncle Gary said.
Or the Keen promo only ever came from the Midds and Uncle Gary. It wasn’t William or KP pushing it.
There was some – Camilla getting the garter, the discussion on her being a counsellor and a few articles about her. It wasn’t as heavy handed as it is with Kate probably because CH knows too much of it will turn people off. And the three courts don’t really work together so I’m not surprised that this was happening in the background even if the PR was and is very Kate heavy.
Camilla would automatically be a Counsellor of State when Charles is king. The question is, if there was an unofficial o official regency would she be a Counsellor.
No one is paying much attention to Camilla in the news outside the UK. The most press she’s gotten this year was her vulgar quip about Biden.
To me, it reads like the palace had prepared a normal statement and then someone at Clarence House awkwardly crammed in the bit about Camilla at the last minute. The rest of the statement flows perfectly without it and stays on theme, while the Camilla part is just haphazardly shoehorned in there. I wonder if BP prepared the statement and sent it to CH for a final sign-off, at which point it got “edited.”
As Sofia points out, CH has been trying to embiggen Camilla; the problem is, nobody cares or pays attention. KP’s Keen Kampaign is entirely their doing with no coordination from CH or BP.
It’s a bit ironic that the people so concerned about who’s overshadowing who would so brazenly take the focus away from the queen on her day to insert Camilla into the news cycle instead.
Charles really has been playing the long game. Also notice in the last few weeks he’s been putting it out there how he’s the loving father/grandfather wanting to provide a safe place for Harry & Meghan to stay when they visit lol.
They literally built their favor and power by destroying, cheating and conspiring against another woman just like Will and Kate tried to do with Meghan.
Unfortunately he’ll get away with it because people just don’t care enough. There’s so much more going on in the UK right now thats really pissing people off that this in the grand scheme this feels insignificant.
I also think as long as this current government is in place or the Tory’s are in power the monarchy is safe and will be for awhile. They protect each other, they all know each other and they all do each other favors to keep themselves in power.
Where is the karma? I feel like it’s gonna be a long wait. Sigh
Charles should have played the long game and made sure Harry and Meghan and the family did not leave. It’s too little too late. The slights along the way like Harry’s wreath not being placed. It just got worse.
@Tessa yup they have all participated in dehumanizing 3 beautiful people. 2 of who are now just trying to live their lives peacefully and make a difference in the world. Literally how evil can you be? But who’s gonna check them? Not enough people care currently within the country.
And ultimately there hasn’t been much consequence for them other than 70 million people hearing they are racists, selfish, and evil
Besides them being forever trapped….
They still have all the perks otherwise because they are part of a bigger system and ultimately protected because of that system needs to survive to keep people like a Boris/Murdoch in power.
In her two recent engagements TQ looked very frail to me and I suspect it is really Charles in charge these days. He wants all his WISHEs granted in the name of TQ, god bless her mode as is the convention in the UK. RR kept claiming H said M gets what she wants but it is truer to say that the Monarch gets their own way every time. She fixed it for Chas to become head of the Commonwealth after her and now Queen consort for Cam. It is just for us peasants to be grateful and respectful of “our betters”.
1) Legally the moment Charles became king Camilla would become Queen Consort. That would have to be changed legally, that’s not happened, so this would always be her title just as she is Princess of Wales now. 2) He isn’t the Head of the Commonwealth. He is a defact PR Head that can-and-will be voted out whenever the 54 member states decide to do so. It was a Thank You to QEII that they gave her that pity vote, but only 15 countries in The Commonwealth have the UK sovereign as Head of State. They’ll vote Charles out promptly.
I think a courtier wrote the statement, as per usual, then Charles shoehorned in this statement: “And when, in the fullness of time, my son Charles becomes King, I know you will give him and his wife Camilla the same support that you have given me; and it is my sincere wish that, when that time comes, Camilla will be known as Queen Consort as she continues her own loyal service.”
From a structual POV, that paragraph is unusually long. Thematically, it breaks up her section related to service: Elizabeth is grateful for the loyalty and support people have given her and in turn she renews her pledge of service to the people. She makes no demands throughout the statement— except, apparently, the one about Camilla. The paragraph should have read:
“This anniversary also affords me a time to reflect on the goodwill shown to me by people of all nationalities, faiths and ages in this country and around the world over these years. I would like to express my thanks to you all for your support. I remain eternally grateful for, and humbled by, the loyalty and affection that you continue to give me.”
The natural place to reflect on family members would have been in the paragraph about Philip and Liz’s mother— Charles is, after all, her goddamn son. Liz spoke affectionately of her husband and mother; a normal family would also have included her firstborn.
Instead, we have Charles inserting himself into the letter as Future Monarch. He decided to use the statement as an opportunity to 1. Show Elizabeth supports him (and NOT William), thereby reminding people of the continuity of his rule; 2. Get Liz to endorse the whole Queen Consort thing.
The thing didn’t read like a Last Will & Testament until that part. Charles should have somehow made it knowm through a separate statement. But given that it seems Liz doesn’t give many public statements, I suppose this was his only chance.
It is weird so who knows? You make a good argument with that breakdown. It was interesting also that there were pics released today of the queen with her private secretary, Edward Young. I would assume he played a part in this letter as well. Could be it was written and then suggestions were made to add it in and she just agreed?
I noticed the weird way this statement was structured, too, and thought that the best place to insert the Camilla stuff would’ve been in the same paragraph as the Philip stuff, which I feel should’ve been placed after the, “This anniversary also affords me a opportunity to reflect on the goodwill shown me by the people…” paragraph. The statement should’ve been structured from broadest themes to more intimate themes: reflect on changes in the world at large, reflect on support of the people in your kingdom, reflect on the support of your family/spouse and from that bit about Prince Philip, the bit about Camilla supporting Charles would’ve naturally flowed.
There was also a sentence in Charles’ statement that didn’t make a lot of sense and was poorly worded: “As we have sought together to serve and support Her Majesty and the people of our communities, my darling wife has been my own steadfast support throughout.” This….doesn’t make sense. The paragraph and that sentence starts out from the POV of both Charles and Camilla “WE are conscious of the honor…WE have sought together to support….OUR communities…” but then mid-sentence the POV changes to just Charles’ “…MY darling wife has been MY OWN steadfast support throughout.” Charles AND Camilla cannot suddenly be saying that “their” darling wife has been “their” steadfast support.
The weirdness in the way both statements are written and structured lends even more credibility to the idea that Charles (or one of Charles’ people) actually wrote both statements.
But its da Jubbly year. Surely, any point during this yr tht betty issues a statement wd hv been accepted in a ladmark year. So her “wishes” regarding camilla need not hv been made to encroach on betty’s milestone statement.
Everyone wth a modicum of commonsense must see tht inserted paragraph that serves the tampon king & his mistress-wife as an anomaly.
I completely agree with everything you said – I think BP drafted the statement and sent it to CH for a final sign-off (since we all know Charles is the one calling the shots now, or trying to) at which point it was (poorly) edited to include the part about Camilla.
It’s really rich that the people so concerned with being overshadowed would take attention away from the queen on her day by turning the spotlight onto Camilla.
So what does all of this mean for Camilla’s children and grandchildren? We don’t hear much about this but I’m sure they benefit from their mother’s marriage in ways that Charles’ own son doesn’t. I’m guessing they don’t have security protection but maybe they do. And if they don’t, would they be eligible when Charles ascends to the throne? I gotta believe that his protection of his former mistress extends to her offspring while Harry is trying to get support.
While I hate this announcement I kind of like the fact that he is reminding W & K that in spite of their actions and attempt to make Kate the best thing since slice bread Charles is the one in charge. It is a know your place boss move, even if he tricked his mother into doing it I just want him to look out for Harry and not fear him.
I don’t get the sense they’re that close or that any of them care. Charles doesn’t spend time with Camilla’s children and grandchildren, that’s why she has Ray Mill.
He actually seems closer to them than William. There are a number of photos of him with Camilla’s grandchildren. More than I’ve seen with the Cambridge kids. Eliza Lopes was a bridesmaid for William and Kate.
And yet Camilla only spends time with her kids and grandkids at Ray Mill, esp over Christmas. The last couple of years have been a big shift because she no longer gets that uninterrupted time with them. Instead she has to show up and stay with the Windsors past the Church pap stroll.
Eliza being in the wedding party was a bit like Lady Louise. An available child because W&K don’t have enough friends close to let them use their kids in a wedding. Look at who else they had. Two cousins (Louise and Lady Chatto’s daughter). A Van Cutsem goddaughter of William’s. Remember, the Van Cutsems were the family living in Anmer Hall and welcoming the Charles/Camilla relationship there. Another godson (Tiggy’s son) AND the son of the original pro-William mastermind Lowther-Pinkerton.
Isn’t her son neck-deep in Tory pay for access scandals? Her children, or at least her son, is absolutely involved in whatever behind the scenes machinations she and Charles are orchestrating.
Yes he is, and he was also involved in a shady drug deal. One of Ghislaine Maxwell’s accusers helped set him up in a newspaper cocaine sting in the late 90s. He sounds shady AF.
@sunday that’s her nephew Ben Eliot. Tom PB is a food critic and cookbook writer. He’s pretty low key. Lost his partner to cancer last year. He was the victim in the sting.
When BP dropped this news they (and CH) did not read the room beforehand. DM comments are in the 1000s and majority negative. Mistress, adulteress, sidepiece, they hurt Diana are the main themes. Smaller calls to go to the Lame bridges, go to the Sussexes (?) and go to a republic. BM is doing pro Camilla press and the rota is doing defense ( see Victoria Arbiter). Great way to kick off your Jubbly Liz.
I don’t think it matters whose words they are. This makes sense and causes the fewest waves. The idea is for there to be an orderly succession without a lot of noise, and that’s pretty much been Elizabeth’s motto/heartfelt wish for the past 70 years – tidy and quiet.
Exactly. I tried posting the same but it disappeared.
Add to that the fact that probably everyone in Clarence House and Buckingham Palace are disappointed in Will, Gypsy Rose Lee and her mother and their laziness and reindeer games.
The queen isn’t Diana and I think the queen accepted camilla way earlier than the public realizes. I think she’s fine with this. Sure the order of precedence was changed to please Anne and Princess Alexandra, but in general we have seen the queen and camilla rub along well in public and more often than we have ever seen the queen with Kate.
That’s how it strikes me too. Camilla does her job, keeps Charles relatively happy, that’s what QEII wants.
I don’t get the spin about royal men in general. Kate’s spin is that she “soothes” William during his time of being incandescent. Camilla “makes Charles happy.” Who do these royal men make happy?
Camilla, Sophie, Tim don’t seem unhappy with their royal spouses. If they make their spouses happy, and their spouses make them happy? That’s what works for them. TBH any talk of Kate soothing William has appeared as Middleton PR. It is clear William doesn’t like his wife nor does he find her soothing.
@Tessa- royal men don’t have to make anyone happy except God…and God is a man…
Lol, Tessa. “who do these royal men make happy?” Great question.
Eurydice, but is God happy with them, really?
@Jais – we’ll see. Charles isn’t the only one who plays a long game.
Oh my God @eurydice, “Charles isn’t the only one who plays a long game.” That’s dark but funny. All I can imagine now is Charles not actually having the longevity of his parents and thus a very short reign, making all his machinations for naught.
If he has the longevity of his parents, Charles be king for 20 years. Not that short of a reign. Long enough to oversee the loss of Scotland, the loss of Northern Ireland, and the loss of the 14 other Commonwealth countries who will follow the example of Barbados. Charles may well end as the last King of England, Wales, Cornwall. But honestly, it isn’t because of him or anything he has or hasn’t done. It is because the time of monarchy is ending.
By the by, I don’t think the Queen was tricked into making this statement. She was always going to maintain continuity no matter how much William and Gypsy Rose Lee and her mother tried to jump the line. And throw on top of that that everyone in The Firm is dissatisfied over how lazy the Cambridges are.
Charles and Camilla may be unlikable to many, they’re steady and consistent and if there is any chance of the monarchy surviving, that’s what they need.
The timing is odd to me. Why take a moment in history that has never occurred to comment on Camilla’s future? I think he snuck it in. The timing just doesn’t jive. Granted it’s clearly a move to shut down the Middletons but it also is a message to the naysayers about her recent appointments
Because he needed to get her backing before she died and still has most of her wits about her. She’s obviously in decline and no one knows how much longer she will hold on. Could be years, could be months, could be weeks. She’s 95. Anything can happen. Better to lock shit down now.
He doesn’t need QEII’s backing, the law is clear. If he’s king, she’s Queen Consort.
I don’t understand why people think her hand was forced. They think this is a way to stabilize the monarchy and solidify the succession and Charles’ reign. They think the goodwill of the Platinum Jubbly toward Betty will provide cover to the side chick dissenters.
As many smart commentators here said, Charles is playing the long game. His only concern has always been himself and Camilla and he is trying to set things up as best he can before the Queen’s death(we can all agree he has been defacto in charge for awhile).
What is wild about this is how little Charles seems to care about anyone beyond him self and old girl. He has long abandoned him children and grandchildren and his lack of support for Harry and Meghan is just so appalling. I do wonder how Charles will be remembered when he dies? It is a smart thing he invested in his projects because I think those will be his legacy, certainly not in family members memories of loving and respecting you.
As to Queen Cammie, I’m sure she will be tolerated but never loved just like Charles himself. People still love Diana and remember how Charles and Camilla treated her. Charles has always struck me as kind of pathetic and while yesterday certainly was a win for him, it is interesting that a man that insecure doesn’t care about how this will make him look to the public, he is just concerned with getting his own way. It is in this self-centredness you see how he and The Other Brother are alike.
I don’t think it’s wild. It’s unpleasant and weird to us who aren’t part of the royal family and who expect people to behave like human beings. But the monarchy is #1 in Charles’ mind, just as it’s been for Elizabeth. Charles hasn’t abandoned William and William’s children – not out of love, but because they are the direct line. He might in some dim recess of his mind love Harry, but Harry isn’t necessary anymore now that there’s George.
I really think this is the most accurate read of Charles, and probably Wills as well.
Charles wanted the heir and spare. But he does not have the “good father” genes. Any father would not let one of the children try to push the other one away and give him unwanted advice. He would intervene. I think there will be negativity about Camilla, some won’t care, some will support her, some tolerate. I don’t think this is a win for Charles, the dysfunction in that family still exists.
A born jerk is gonna jerk. What can you do. The man doesn’t have the emotional capacity.
I find the “she won’t outshine him, she’ll know her place” violin to be the most tone-deaf instrument in the royal band. It’s misogynistic, wrong-headed, and gross. Lol, that’s my opinion.
Philip got a lot of attention as consort. Because he was a MAN, he never got the “he’ll know his place” business. The royals are still misogynistic.
If “The Crown” is anything to go by, Philip got lots of “It’s not your place.”
Philip absolutely got decades of ‘know his place’. The courtiers didn’t trust him, the aristocrats didn’t trust him. They repeatedly tried to put controls over him so he couldn’t be an advisor to the Queen. He was only allowed to be named possible Regent to Charles after Princess Margaret okayed it.
Yeah, but the royals haaaaaaaaaaaaate when someone marries in and outshines them. They get booted out of the family (Diana, Fergie, Meghan). Kate and Camilla survive because they keep it bland and quiet. Not outshining is a survival strategy.
I never under why people say that kate doesn’t outshine the royals. She outshines them all the time and she pulls more focus than the rest, H&M not included. She literally had her uncle on TV calling for Charles to be skipped in favor of her. Why do people continue to say that she doesn’t outshine them?
‘Can you test the smell by smelling it’ doesn’t outshine anyone. But her tacky family and their PR machinations make for good copy.
The difference is that whenever Kate grabs attention it’s negative attention. For example, her inability to string 3 words together, her incomprehensible fake accent, her lack of work events, her flashing at official events (including a memorial in India), her out of control spending on designer clothes and new kitchens, not to mention embarrassing herself during an official meeting with the FLOTUS while pretending to be an expert on childhood development. Also, the true kicker, while /the Art History major asks if they still make Faberge Eggs!!!
I hope this puts an end to the myth that Camilla didn’t care about becoming Queen Consort.
I bet there is much gnashing of teeth in Middleton Manor, lol. Now how long will it be until we start getting stories about how “Camilla relies upon Kate” and “Kate is Camilla’s rock”? And poor Ford Fiesta will she be carrying Camilla’s blanket to lay across her lap too?
Isn’t that his stock phrase? ‘My darling wife’ ‘My darling mummy’ ‘my darling daughter-in-law’
William is boxed in a corner. This announcement forces KP to publicly accept Granny’s endorsement of Camilla. And no jumping the line for you Billy. And Kate and the Midds must be panicking. Being a side chick for a future is not a disqualifyer for her to become the next queen.
It’s not a disqualifier but William’s got to be looking at the backlash to this announcement. Charles is not gaining popularity through this at all. However, it is showing that he can do what he want regardless. So what does William want? How important is the family man image to him?
It doesn’t matter if Camilla is queen or princess consort. Chuck is gonna have his work cut out for him trying to hold the monarchy together in a evolving world that doesn’t need a monarchy. There will be big changes, lots of lies and deception and most of all, desperation.
Of all the things petty Betty could have announced on this momentous anniversary was this – her son’s former mistress and marriage wrecker WILL be queen.
What about saying – 70 years ago most of the commonwealth was ruled by me, many of their people were still living a life of servitude and disadvantaged, South Africa was in a state of apartheid, I am deeply sorry for what people have suffered and regret actions of the past.
What a legacy, if this is the last official documents she signs!!
She thinks she has a God-given right to rule; why would she apologize?
If she and Charles had any real shrewdness, they would have waited until after the Jubilee for the announcement.
They’re probably worried that the queen might not last that long.
It’ll be interesting to see if the June festivities go on if (a) pandemic is still raging, which it probably will be, and (b) if the Queen dies before June. (Or even worse, during them, I guess.)
They wouldn’t have Jubilee festivities if the Queen was dead, Jennifer. Depending on the timing, they might turn them into coronation festivities.
Yes, Charles is taking advantage and buttoning up everything now while the queen is still alive.
I think Charles has cut a deal with the queen. For the queen to say this of her 70th anniversary is kind of a big deal because the focus should have been on her and not camilla. I think the queen agreed to this statement maybe because of Andrew and she needs Charles to promise not to turf him out once she’s gone.
Anyway I don’t think the queen really cares either way if camilla is queen. But of course Charles was always going to make it happen regardless.
Charles doesn’t ‘make’ this happen. Legally she was going to be Queen Consort the moment he became king. That wasn’t going to change to Princess Consort unless laws were changed.
It’s not about the laws, it’s about the public accepting camilla as queen consort due to Diana’s popularity. Charles only said ‘princess consort‘ so the public would go easy on them when they married. The queen saying she wants camilla to be queen is to convince the public she should be and get them on board with the idea.
30 years ago a marriage failed. 99.9 percent of the UK population doesn’t care. Charles and Camilla have been married 17 years. She will automatically, legally become Queen Consort the second he becomes king. No coronation or ceremony needed. It is a done deal. If the public cared about changing that? They’ve had 17 years to change the law – and they haven’t done it. The public accepts Camilla as his wife, they accept her as future Queen Consort. The timing is weird, but I’m starting to agree it could be related to the news about Andrew. Camilla is being used as a convenient deflection.
Just as she is princess Wales Camilla IS Princess of Wales. She just doesn’t use the title. Diana was known as the PoW. She was not known as Princess consort.
I would not call or cry that Diana should/would have had the title. Their marriage was a failure from the beginning, Camilla was just an extra accessory to that failure, not the sole blame. Charles IMO, carries most of the guilt. Camilla has done everything Charles has wanted from her, as Nota has mentioned.
I do not mind Camilla being queen. Let it be. I wish them both a long heathy life and reign. 😉
The future queen consort made friends with the racist rags, what a great look.🙄
I think this has always been the plan. The whole princess consort whatever business never rang sincere to me and always seemed to be a PR move to appease the public.
It’s not as if the royal family has ever shown deference to Diana of their own volition.
This is the worst season of GOT ever. Bring back the dragons. But seriously H&M please keep away from this mess.
Lol. We all might need cases of Lubbly Jubbly Bubbly to get through this renewed season of GoT.
Sh*t, Clarence House might start marketing their sparkling wine under that name.
Dear @Emily
You say that the royals are human beings; a family; not just title holders trapped in time.
Unfortunately, they are not a family. However, they are, indeed, title holders trapped in time. (congrats on tht perfect description, btw).
And importantly, while no one on this site has ever denied the fact tht they are human beings, we hv all seen that they have NOT accorded Harry & Meghan tht same courtesy. In fact, they & their minions hv actively sought to dehumanise H&M, and everyone of good conscience has seen this happen in real time. Pushing back on that is why most of us are here.
Most of us are here, not to praise or commiserate wth the proverbial Ceasar, but to point out their blatant, hypocrisy, lies and naked contempt for their subjects and other human beings, whose humanity they proudly deny.
So, no. The royals are NOT just like us. And trying to fit them into the ethos of nonroyal families is an exercise in futility.
@Charm 💯
Nailed it
+1
This Dan Wootton interview is from November 2020. The same Dan Wootton that thought Harry should cut his ties with Netflix. I’m not familiar with the lady in the video. Appreciate her saying the RF is the most dysfunctional family. Annoyed at the ‘navel gazing’ comment. Anyhoo, the latest announcement has caused meltdowns with Wootton and Cambridge fakata stans and I find that entertaining and pleasing. It has nothing to do with H & M. They’re sleeping peacefully underneath trees growing in their well watered lawn.
https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/videos/the-crown-is-right-prince-charles-treated-diana-like-a-piece-of-dirt/2885866411700804/
“Queen” Camilla can f*ck the f*ck off…the minute she started laughing at a performance of our Indigenous throat singers. She’s disgusting.
I thought of that incident when I saw a video on Twitter of Prince Harry in his army days, performing a haka with members of the New Zealand army. He took it completely seriously, performed it flawlessly, and showed total respect tor the tradition and the people performing it. The comparison between the two situations was glaring and harsh. C&C acted like middle school mean girls in Canada, and should have been thoroughly excoriated for it. Such disrespect and lack of plain old good manners were appalling.
Question. I think we can all agree the Cambridges have been faking like they are rock solid and a dream team in a vain attempt to appear steady and worthy of jumping the line. Now that’s been effectively squashed and it will be probably a good 20 years before William sees the throne, what is William’s motivation to keep Kate the dead weight around?
I feel like it won’t be long before he starts feeding her and the Middletons to the wolves and prepping for his mistress to replace her. If it works for Daddy!
I think Baldy and his supporters still think they can supplant Charles or at least undermine him from accomplishing anything effective with his role once he becomes king. This does not change much for them and their goals.
I think Camilla is really pretty.
I do think she looks better older than younger
Im gonna go ahead and believe that was a typo.
for petty.
I’m with Charm, that has to be a typo!
LOLZ @ Charm. That’s funny. I’ll say, Camilla is not completely unfortunate looking and at times looks good-she has-for the most part-good taste in hats and wears them well. I’m one who has posted in the past that Charles should have understood Harry’s position for doing every thing for the woman he loves. I still believe that. Not supporting Harry in his decision to choose love for his wife over what the BM/BRF/duty/William shows hypocrisy. The BRF had a great thing for their image with Harry & Meghan on a global level. The BRF/grey men/BM F8cked things up with their racism and jealousy.
I think Camilla looks like the north end of a southbound horse, but to each his/her own.
She had cosmetic surgery and new teeth when she became Charles’ #1. She always had horsey teeth and then, magically, one day she had bright new choppers.
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Those funeral arrangements were ‘leaked’ for a reason
What I find funny is that the DoC has been touted around as “future queen” by many, and then this real next queen appears.
I bet Mrs C. Kardashaianton is still consoling herself as probable foster “queen mother”. If she lasts enough years. I bet she eats healthily and is caring for herself to last enough to see her child become queen.
It is funny and I’m perplexed by Peter Hunt (who I tend to see as being credible) implying Camilla has a close relationship with the Fail. The Fail has more often than not from what I could see and remember, not been kind to Camilla or Charles. They’ve always been pro Cambridges. Looking at Wootton’s & Rebecca English’s articles alone supports that.
Going back to CarolE. She’s probably regretting just not naming Kate at birth, Queen Catherine.
I do believe these BP?/CH statements are putting certain BM/tabloid stories on notice. Shut the skipping shite down, Kate is not the rock, jewel, peacemaker or savior of the monarchy.
Quid pro quo! The Queen and Charles knows how to play the game. Camilla get Queen consort approval from the Queen, Andrew legal bills and financial future taking care of by Charles. People can criticize these two as much as they want, but mother and son knows how to go to bat for the ones they love.
Que sera sera, it’s looking like future future and future future consort still have a long await ahead of them. No line jumping!
I wonder how much the QE is really in control nowadays. It seems more and more that Charles and Williams are running the show while she is a puppet.
I agree. Charles is in charge. I also believe that he will be the last monarch. He is not the selfless monarch royalists seem to value. He is selfish. Remember, while this is the anniversary of his mother’s ascension, it is also the anniversary of his grandfather’s death. To make this day about “his darling wife” is disgraceful. When Charles is King he won’t be able to hide behind mummy anymore. I wonder how his subjects are going to feel singing the national anthem to this petulant king. He has been ruthless to get the crown. Hope it was worth it.
Going from the third person in a marriage to Queen consort is really playing that long game. I guess some people in the UK aren’t too happy about this but it was always gonna happen. Even some of the Rota are not pleased but it’s what they deserve. Best comments are those pointing out that monarchy does not give the public a say in its decisions. It’s not a democracy. All those people saying it should be Will and Kate, thats not how it works and their time will come. Also, glad this has absolutely nothing to do with the Sussexes. Saw vile Sarah Vine of the DailyFail trying to defend Carrie Johnson and people pointing out her blatant hypocrisy with how she continuously smeared Meghan. This is Elizabeth’s twilight and this queen consort issue is now settled. Who doesn’t like it over there, oh well.
“My darling wife” is how Charles speaks, remember how he referred to Phillip as “My dear papa”.
This was definitely quid pro quo, in return for her not stepping down and naming him regent. The reason I came to this conclusion is that the next release was of her going over the red box content with her private secretary showing that she was still in charge.
The other agreement was with Edward, for his help in helping push Andrew out he gets the title he was promised.
I’m also guessing that this is why we having seen William who has by now broken every dish, vase, pottery, at KP.
I said it this week when Kate was out with C&C in the same dress she wore for her outing with the queen that is was symbolic. It was Kate acknowledging Camilla as the future queen consort.
Interesting time in the house of Windsor.
Kate is a non-entity. She isn’t needed to give acknowledgement to Camilla as future queen consort. So many people on here are up in arms over a simple, legal fact. The law is, the second Charles becomes king, his wife becomes Queen Consort. No matter what anyone has said through the years, the law has not been changed. No point being upset about it now or pretending to be surprised.
I don’t think it’s about acknowledgment as such in that they need Kate’s approval in particular. But I do think stepping out for a joint engagement together signals that they are a united front, including Camilla. It’s about demonstrating a degree of cohesiveness, I think, in that hey, Camilla is backed up and accepted by the remaining members of the firm.
Kate, all things said and done, is the FFQ, wife of William, who is Charles’ son. So I think it was intentional in sending a particular message
Given how William sees his wife? I doubt she’s the FFQ. Sending the message that Kate better get her ass working is the more likely message.
Keen is the junior partner, as it were, she is doing as she is told. Btw, she stood well apart from C&C which was certainly no endorsement.
For the moment, Kate and William are part of the same monarchy, and if she’s being included in engagements with Charles and Camilla, I think it’s safe to assume for now that William isn’t planning concretely to divorce Kate in any real way. And given that she’s still hanging in there, it looks better for all of them if they appear together every once in a while. I see this in many ways as Charles giving his stamp of approval to Kate. She’s low enough on the totem pole and sufficiently a non-entity that he won’t be overshadowed by her presence, which is precisely what Charles wants.
Agree with you nota. This isn’t a united front. It’s a message to get her ass going and a reminder that she is not the future Queen Consort (or Queen like her stans? like to imagine). Kate has to waity in line…again. Seriously, regardless of Charles & Camilla’s f*ckery. All of the Kate future, rock, peacemaker, jewel, not putting a foot wrong, blech, blech, blech stories are so disrespectful to the man that made William heir to throne. The BM/Middleton stories have been more undermining to Charles than anything Harry has said.
I don’t know why you keep repeating this. In 2005, it was agreed that Camilla would be awarded the title ‘princess consort’ and that he will NEVER marry her. But look what happened?? He did the opposite of everything previously agreed to. There’s countless receipts of this on twitter. The monarchy is indeed built on lies and liars.
I think it was a message to get her ass working too. Yes, it helps their PR to show that Kate is supporting them but what else is she going to do? Charles is in charge (the old sitcom song with gross Scott Baio has been running through my head all day). I mean she could refuse but why would she when she wants a new house? It’s a lot easier to push out your sil than refuse the future head of the monarchy. At the same time, it could be that she wants to be seen as closer to the head of power. I still wonder if she even knew that the statement was coming out at all bc why would they consider letting her know. Like it was gonna come out whether she knew about it or not.
I think Kate’s “show of unity” with C&C, if that’s what it was, means nothing without William present because he is the more important piece all things considered. Where was he on this little outing with the in-laws? It doesn’t matter if Kate is putting on a united front when her husband and future king is not present because Kate’s position depends on how William feels about her, or rather doesn’t feel if their marriage is as troubled as we suspect. I imagine that he wouldn’t be too happy with Kate yucking it up with in-laws when he is not there, because it looks like HE is the one on the outside, when he is the type of person that likes to be included in all of the goings on in the family. I’ll be interested to see how William frames his upcoming solo trip to Dubai, because I think it will be telling. Kate could be trying to get some support from the family, but maybe William will start to project that he doesn’t need any.
I know I am going to get destroyed for this comment but…I think Camilla deserves the title. She has done absolutely everything that’s been asked of her and then some. She is Charles’ wife after all. I think the Queen, having now spent some time without her husband by her side realizes and wants Charles to have the same support system she’s had when his time comes. I am sorry but I think the queen knows exactly what she is doing.
How do you know Camilla has done ‘absolutely’ everything asked of her?
Camilla had no choice but to work. It was not voluntary it was mandatory. That was why Charles hired Bolland to work with her (beginning in 1997). She has low work numbers but Kate has the lowest. It was inevitable that she’s getting the title.
If you marry the heir, you get to be queen. That’s how it works. Especially if you don’t get divorced.
“The Duchess of Cornwall thoroughly deserves the title.” yeah no, she doesn’t . And those are totally Chuck words, even Philip was Prince Consort (?) and never King so why would Camilla?
Nah, people still don’t like her and never will. But try all you want Chuck.
Hello! The queen’s mother was queen consort, and eventually she became queen mother. Yes, it is a thing. Only males do not get the king consort title. Not even Albert. Albert got “prince consort”, unique title just for him. Philip got other titles instead, while the women have been usually called queen consort, but they are not regnant.
I have no knowledge but something in my gut tells me that Prince Charles will make some kind of arrangement for Meghan and Harry to be part time working Royals Even the hateful Sun photographer who seems to have PC ear
Says that they are magic when they are on tour When the countries start leaving the commonwealth he will be on his knees Everyone knows the Cambridge’s can’t work the charm offensive
@PAT+GADDESS
No one in the BRF, (including royals + their behind-the-scenes-handlers-who-really-run-the-monarchy-and-tell-them-all-what-to-do-like-the-trapped-deer-in-headlights-that-the-royals-are) can tell H&M what to do or offer them any incentive that could in any way shape or form, entice them to give up their current life & return to the prison called the BRF.
I dont know why some monarchists insist in believing this to be a viable proposition for H&M.
I think that when the Queen goes, her staffers will be quietly pensioned off into retirement as well, or they will move onto better paying jobs in the private sector with the RF’s enthusiastic references. Charles will surround himself with people that he wants there, and he is much more of a control freak than the Queen, so it’s unlikely that he will let himself be dictated to like the Queen so often was. So I think if he wants to come to some kind of arrangement to bring M&H back into the fold, he will try it, but I think that Meghan and Harry won’t accept the arrangement without at least some reassurances of how the negative press will be handled, and how to counter the Cambridges’ jealousy and previous behaviour.
Charm, I’m just going to say it. I appreciate & agree with the posts you’ve written. You’ve acknowledged the grey men that people want to forget about – my belief why people want to discredit Bashir’s interview with Diana. She was not mislead. At all.
Harry will not/does not want to get back in the fold. They need him He does not need them. They can take away his titles, they cannot take away who he is. That’s what they (BRF/BM) don’t get. Or they do and are threated by it and being with Meghan, made it exponentially greater.
Harry, was the most popular royal, aside from the Queen. Truth be told, he was the most popular royal aside from his mother. UK polls/BRF/BM don’t want people to know that. I would like to see the day when a UK journalist comes out with all of William’s secrets or at least acknowledges that his uni grades were manufactured, participated in the 2007 brown face party and threw his brother/SIL under the bus with the smear campaign.
Harry & Meghan being part time working royals is a dream for Charles and the BRF. If that were to ever happen, the BRF would have to acknowledge their mistakes and apologize. Those people/& instution are so far up their own dumb @sses, it’s likely to not happen. Smart people apologize. There is nothing about the BRF that really shows they’re smart. Only devious.imo
No fken way. Harry and Meghan are living their best lives with their little babies at this moment. I hope the Sussexes stay out of the monarch’s cesspool of a stinking bullshit mess.
Hypothetical here: let’s say Chuck isn’t the last monarch. Let’s say he dies before Cams, though…then she gets to keep her queen consort title while Kate is also queen consort? In The Crown (and real life, presumably), at one point for about a year, there were three queens running around: Queen Elizabeth, her mother Queen Elizabeth (known after her husband’s death as the Queen Mother) and Queen Mary, QE2’s grandmother and widow of King George V. Both the QM and Queen Mary would have been Queen Consort, but they still got the title of Queen, so if, to return to the original question, Cams outlives Chuck, Cams gets to be called Queen until she dies? THAT will enrage King Baldy and Queen Buttons. I assume Queen Cams won’t then outrank Baldy and Buttons…but she will be called Queen, is that right? Cams would not be the Queen Mother (though someday Kate would be, presumably)…but still just Queen, yes?
iirc this is where ‘dowager’ comes in to play.
Queen Fabiola of Belgium did not have any children, Balduino’s brother and then their nephew became kings. She was referred as Queen Fabiola even after her husband’s death. I think she outlived him for almost 20 years.
I think Queen Mother was something invented for the current Queen’s mother because they both had the same name, although one was queen regnant and the other was queen consort, and perhaps she didn’t want to be the dowager queen. However, I don’t think that the term dowager is always used anyway. Had the Queen Mother continued to use her title Queen Elizabeth, her daughter would always have to be referred to regularly as Queen Elizabeth II as she is the actual sovereign and not just the consort. “King” is considered a higher rank than Queen, traditionally, since generally Kings ruled. In the interest of equality, I think all consorts should be just prince or princess.
“all nationalities, faiths and ages in this country”
Huh. I didn’t expect this to be an institution that eschews the Oxford comma.
The Rottweiler wins.
So, if she is to be Queen, is there any venue where I can request (so she will see the request) that she at least forego the curtain bangs.
You can write to her–apparently she writes back to most people on her own, especially if they send her books, since she’s a reader.
This is like when I faked a note to my 7th grade teacher about how “my mom” totally gave me permission to skip gym class for personal reasons, but unlike Charles, I wasn’t smart enough to type it on letterhead and got grounded almost immediately.
Jay, you had me cackling. Charles is something else.
I think both Wm and Kate were kept out of the loop on this. Now that they both know that there will be no more ” preparing to be king and queen” stories to keep them relevant, they will have to settle for future Prince and Princess of Wales. Until Charles pulls that rug out from under them as well. Well played Charles and Camilla.
Operation Whitewash of Camilla’s rise from side chick to queen consort in waiting has commenced with the BM. No word from Harry and William about their stepmother ‘s promotion.
I think Keen should worry. There is only one thing Charles will do if the reaction to Camilla being queen consort is too negative because Keens sugars want her to be the next queen. He will turn the rr on her. That is really the only play this family knows. They will go after Keen and embiggen Cam. The Middelclass’s have been behind keen the next queen campaign so they will have caused their own downfall.
+1 They know they cant go after H&M too much, so W&K will be back in the uncomfortable spotlight. and for K, comparisons to Diana’s workload will be inevitable.
This monarchy is over with QE11’s passing. I wonder if this was a “head off “ to Harry’s book they all seemed so worried about? A say what you want about Camilla,, but Grannies already given her approval moment !!! They are really awful people.You’re so lucky Harry.
signed, your servant elizabeth regina. Listen Betty/Chuck! Do not get me vexed today. the only person you and your family are serving is yourself.
Not so long ago, some camp was pushing the “queen Kate” narrative. It must have grated on Camilla, knowing the protocol, so this may be the final way of ending that whole debate without the statement being in response to anything. If I were in her shoes, I’d do the same. No opinions on any of these people, but it would be silly to skip succession in a system like that.
Reading all the comments leads me to believe Harry was the one who outplayed them all. He does not have a dog in this fight and the shat show will continue.
What bothers me is the lie. Why put out a decree saying she’ll be Princess Consort if you have no intention of changing the rules. It’s all PR for Charles to get what he wants and thankfully TQ gave him 17yrs to set the lie before it was exposed. TQ has a short memory as she’s only on the throne with billions of dollars as her Uncle wasn’t allowed to marry a divorcé. Camilla, in essence, was disloyal to the Monarchy by continuing an affair with the next in line. Once upon a time she could have been tried for treason. So we’ve got a liar and two divorcés (with a sprinkle of treason) next in line for the crown and Head of the Church of England (the institution that refused to marry them and forced them to have a civil ceremony). Yet the media crucifies Meghan and Harry. SMH.
@Kate, Given the origins of the Church of England and its first Head – an adulterous King who couldn’t get the Catholic Church to grant him a divorce on deceitful grounds so he could marry his mistress. Who then married the mistress, and then had her tried and beheaded for adultery, incest, and treason, while claiming he was seduced by witchery – I would say Charles is upholding its very fine originating tradition.
Wonder what promises he had to make mummy regarding Pedrew
Seeing these sugar pages exploding is so funny