When Prince Charles and Princess Diana’s marriage began to fall apart, they eventually fell into a routine where Diana based herself at Kensington Palace and Charles based himself at Highgrove. But there were years where Diana and their sons would come to Highgrove for the weekend and that’s when a lot of screaming and fighting would happen between Diana and Charles. This was basically everything after she gave birth to William – from 1983 through to their separation in the early ‘90s, there were fights, tears and drama constantly. Well, Christopher Andersen’s new book, The King: The Life of Charles III, delves into those times. Apparently, during one fight, Charles told Diana he was gay as a way to stop her sexual advances. During other fights, their protection officers were worried that Diana and Charles would come to physical violence.
Charles and Diana’s unhappy marriage was so “highly combustible” that royal protection officers were worried someone would get hurt. One of Charles’ valets remembers seeing Diana “hurling epithets and mocking her husband’s obsession with the dreary-looking Camilla,” writes Christopher Andersen in the upcoming biography, “The King: The Life of Charles III,” out November 8.
The valet watched on as Diana “literally pursued” her husband “down hallways, up staircases and from room to room” at Charles’ Highgrove House country retreat, Andersen writes.
“Why won’t you sleep with me?” Diana is said to have asked her husband, who “had for all intents and purposes unilaterally called a halt to their sexual relationship,” since Prince Harry’s birth in 1984. Charles’ sarcastic alleged response: “I don’t know, dear. I think I might be gay.”
During one heated argument, Charles childishly demanded that he be given the respect “that he felt his position warranted,” according to the book.
“‘Do you know who I am?’ he demanded of his wife.
“Diana answered that he was a ‘f–king animal,’” writes Andersen. “You will never be King!” she shouted. “William will succeed your mother. I will see to that.”
The tension in the royal household only increased as time passed. “The clashes between Diana and Charles were now so raw that ‘violence seemed inevitable,’” one bodyguard notes in the book. Officers were concerned by the “sheer firepower” contained within Highgrove’s walls, which included shotguns, rifles and pistols, according to the book. “The detectives in charge of protecting members of the royal family were deeply concerned that ‘in the heat of anger,’ any one of these could be used to commit suicide, homicide or both,” writes Andersen.
I don’t know about all of this. Yes, we’ve heard before that Charles refused to sleep with Diana after she gave birth to Harry, but I’m not sure Diana would follow him around, berating him about Camilla’s looks and challenging Charles to sleep with her. Diana was the kind of woman who would find someone to talk to, preferably an attractive man, and pour out all of her sorrows on him. I also don’t think Charles is armed to the teeth at Highgrove. Sure, he would have hunting rifles, but pistols and shotguns? This is the English countryside! And no, Charles isn’t gay. He just has a thing about being attracted to horsey mother surrogates and nanny-figures. Charles and Diana fundamentally didn’t work because she wanted a father figure and he wanted a mother figure.
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- August 31, 2017 marks 20 years since Princess Diana’s death. Diana Princess of Wales died from serious injuries in the early hours of August 31st 1997 after a car crash in Paris. Pictured: 1992 – Prince Charles And Princess Diana.(Credit Image: © Globe Photos/ZUMAPRESS.com)
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- August 31, 2017 marks 20 years since Princess Diana’s death. Diana Princess of Wales died from serious injuries in the early hours of August 31st 1997 after a car crash in Paris. Pictured: August 1981 – Princess Diana And Prince Charles. (Credit Image: © Globe Photos/ZUMAPRESS.com)
She didn’t want a father figure. She wanted a husband. Their marriage fundamentally didn’t work because he abused her.
Agreed. When was there any hint of her wanting a father figure??
Her other serious relationships were with men het own age
Dr khan was close to het age and she wanted to marry him. Diana wanted a man who would be a loving husband not someone who would not give up his mistress
She said herself she wanted a father figure who would look after her, say well done if she got things right, or correct her if she got things wrong. I think it was in the tapes she gave to Andrew Morton. The transcripts were later published in another book, I think it was called Diana in her own words.
Cairidh, did she actually use the words father figure? I think I remember her (in an interview) saying that she wanted someone to help her and let her know when she got it right or wrong, because no one helped here at all. She was left to figure everything out on her own.
Diana wanted a loving husband to have a family with. Diana said that charles went back to his lady after harry was born. Some of andersons stories are from the housekeepers diary. I hope andersen does not put in the fake story about harry being Hewitt s .he did in his earlier books. Shame on him.
Exactly, I’ve read this before in Houseekeper’s diary. The gay part and the sex part is from “Moving On” by James Hewitt. The truth is, he wasnt sleeping with her because he was appalled by her bulimia. Isnt that what he told everyone? That the marrige was so hard because of her bulimia? F-ing asshole.
I’ve actually heard this before, too. Why someone would follow someone around begging for sex, I don’t know.
@Tessa. I really love your comment. It’s getting old and makes me furious that lies about Princess Diana are STILL being told. Charles is a frog and was so very lucky to have had her. He is a stupid, stupid man.
I read somewhere Charles told Camilla he found it difficult to be intimate with Diana because of the press building her up into a superstar.
I’ve read before a sailor on the Brittania during their honeymoon said Diana was following Charles about in her lingerie saying “Charles come and do your duty charles” whilst he was spending most of his time reading on deck.
There were rumors that Diana could be vindictive when crossed. I read an article once about her rumored affairs that said she was so angry a former lover dumped her that she harassed him and his wife. I had to look it up, but I think it was Oliver Hoare. His wife found out about their affair and made him choose, so he broke it off with Diana. Supposedly Diana would call their house dozens of times in a row and even park outside their house at night with her headlights on so they could see her. She was indignant that Hoare’s wife was older and less attractive than her (shades of Camilla). Supposedly. I don’t think the Hoare’s ever gave an interview about it or publicly mentioned it, so I don’t know who the source would have been.
Those stories of so called vindictive Diana come from penny and other sympathizers of Charles. Hoare was no victim he pursued diana.and Jepson and where said he would be phoning Diana and he spent time with her at Kensington palace. Another unhappily married woman came forward and talked of her affair with Hoare. Hoare s wife never commented about giving him a choice that is hearsay. Diana and Hoare are both dead now and never made any comments. Supposedly some of the calls he got were fro. Pranksters. Diana sitting outside in car imo is hearsay. Diana never commented or compared Mrs Hoare to camilla.
I looked it up and this was the only article I could find about Diana & Oliver Hoare’s affair (from the Mirror so not the best source):
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-taunted-lover-oliver-13229537
Much of the information is credited to Diana’s “friend… and second mother” Lady Bowker. You’re right, I misremembered quite a few details, such as: Hoarse’ wife never made an ultimatum and they never knew who made all those prank calls, in fact they filed a complaint and the Metropolitan police investigated it, but it doesn’t look like the results were ever released. I never said (nor do I think) that Oliver was a victim of Diana, he was a more than willing lover and seems like he only broke it off because his wife had all the money and he was more afraid of losing her money than losing Diana’s company. The article is mostly about how he made her feel she was worth being loved (until he ended things).
A woman came forward and too the media her husband had a child with another woman. She got involved with Hoare and they had an affair. They split amicably and he stayed with his wife. Hoare s wife did have the money and he stayed with her. Hoare passed away and never spoke publicly about diana or the other woman he was involved with. Hoare was no innocent bystander. I read Jepson and some of Diana s friend did not much care for hoare.
Actually, Patrick Jephson her private secretary, demanded evidence from Royalty and Diplomatic Protection Group that it was Diana who made the calls, they claimed to have it but then they said the evidence suddenly went “missing”. In other words, there was no evidence. Patrick said that, he never knew who leaked it to the press, when there’s no solid evidence that it was Diana who made the calls. It was actually a some boy that was pranking oliver’s son. They claimed that Diana was unhinged because Oliver dump her but when the story leaked to the press, they were still dating, Journalist saw Diana resting her head on Oliver’s shoulder for about an hour in her car after they went out to dinner. And yes, Oliver was already cheating on his wife with someone else, (i think her name is Aisya Nadir) before diana came into the picture.
C&D had small children at this time. I would hope any weapons in the house would be well secured.
Andersen exaggerates. To Diana told Morton that she had rampant bulimia and would go in for self harm as a cry for help. Diana and Charles would not go for weapons I am not reading this book
I find it hard to believe she shouted William would succeed the queen, she would see to that. I mean… how? That’s literally not how royalty works
Some of andersens stories can be taken with a grain of salt.
I’d take this one with a whole bushel.
Not just some,Tessa. Àll
@Iris … Diana was definitely on a campaign to make William the next King after Queen Elizabeth. She even said so in her BBC interview, that she didn’t think Charles should be the next King. Having lived through all the Charles and Diana drama I can say that Diana’s thoughts on skipping over Charles in favor of William was indeed Diana’s hope, and she wasn’t shy in expressing her opinion on the matter, either.
I believe she was asked about whether she thought Charles should be king or would be a good king, something to that effect. So, the interviewer asked her a question point blank. It didn’t seem like she was on a public campaign.
Where’s Charles to call out this fiction? Lol. They only thing that’s true in this story is that their sexual relationship ended after Harry was born. Diana had provided the heir and the spare and Charles went back to Camilla after that.
Well, my father in law was indeed gay and told his wife that he was incompetent to get out of his “duties”. So, I think it could be possible. People will say whatever to get out of a situation.
I can’t even comprehend how she’d WANT him to want to sleep with her. Woman, have you not got eyes? Charles looks like the most unflattering caricature of a dopey British man that any French cartoonist could come up with.
I don’t believe Charles isn’t gay (not that there’s anything wrong with it) or at least bi. And I think Camilla knows it, exploits it, and has always been fine with it, and sex is fluid in royal circles, and they keep separate residences to do unto others what their partner won’t or cannot do unto them.
@THATSNOTOK, that’s not ok in my book 😉
There’s usually a small grain of truth in everything – I could totally see Charles pulling a ‘do you know who I am?’ Or a ‘don’t you forget who I am I AM THE PRINCE!!’ If Diana sassed him or was being ‘disrespectful’. Like that excerpt did ring true somehow.
I `100% believe that Charles used this line on Diana more than once. We’ve heard that William uses the line on Kate, he learned it from somewhere.
Believe he is bi. Too many stories around to ignore. Sad that he is not able to be honest about it.
I think you’re right. If rumors are to be believed, cash-for-access schemes aren’t the only reason Charles has kept Michael Fawcett so close for all these years.
@Lizzie B 💯
Agreed, probably bi. But also Highgrove was where he trysted with Camilla. There’s that story where Diana pretended to drive back to London and instead circled back and discovered they’d planned to be together as soon as she left.
I could see Camilla and Charles laughing about it later, “I told her I might be gay!” when all along he was planning to see Camilla as soon as he got Diana to leave. Hell, I could see Camilla giving him that quip to use.
Aren’t we all bi to some extent? 😉
@ThatsNotOkay
Highly plausible!
Brit aristos are notorious for their sexual deviance so bisexuality is just a mild example of what they get up to.
I strongly believe Charles was groomed by prince phillip’s uncle Mountbatten…….I even believe phillip was also groomed by the said uncle Mountbatten. Just consider how close he was to both men when they were mere boys. He made himself their guardian, confidante, protector, etc., altho, in charles case, he had both his parents actively in his life (even tho they were often negligent, allegedly.) And over the years, during Charles’ randy, decadent youth, theres been all this pedos he’s surrounded himself with.
And then, as a grown man, charles has had his loyal man-friday, Fawcett. Theres nothing that will convince me that charles isnt bi. And, of course, camilla being his great facilitator, I’m sure she has made up threesomes on many occasions.
First of all, bisexuality isn’t deviance, nor is it learned behavior. But your points about Charles and Philip having been groomed by Mountbatten are worthy of scrutiny. I think Mountbatten was unlikely to have molested Charles, although it’s certainly possible even though he was the Queen’s son.
However, Philip is another matter. When he was a boy there was no one protecting him except…wait for it! …Mountbatten. Philip was abandoned by his father and cut off from his mentally unstable mother. According to Mountbatten’s daughter, Philip spent every school holiday with the Mountbattens. He had no one else. He was extremely vulnerable to a pedophile, and Mountbatten was the only relative present in his life. Add to this the fact that Philip was a beautiful boy. The whole set up was a pedophile’s dream. No reason to think Uncle Louis would have hesitated to be very intimate with his young nephew.
Finally, as an adult, Philip became very uncomfortable when the subject of emotion or feelings was broached to him. This is a possible symptom that something extremely painful happened to him at some point. So much so that he had shut down completely emotionally by the time he was grown.
A few bios have focused on Lady Edwina as being the wild one in the Mountbatten marriage, but both of them were wild. Apparently, Louis was pained about being one-upped, but he went along with it. Edwina also had a thing for men of color, like the heiress Nancy Cunard. I know everyone talks about her long affair with Nehru (while she was the last Vicereine of India), but she also had a notable relationship with a popular singer named Leslie Hutchinson from the Caribbean. Of course, Louis acquiesced in this relationship. He did not have a problem with Nehru. Nehru was from a high class/caste in India, and had gone to the right schools in England, and had become a lawyer. Naturally, all of this easy back and forth contributed to the granting of independence to India, some say.
I thought that I would check in and see this interview with Prince Philip having to do with his war experiences one night. Talk about standoffish. The man was positively defensive to any discussion about how he felt about the war, about being under fire and being in danger of losing his life. I think that they edited it all down to a point where Philip finally relented and let the guy in–if only through a crack. I think Philip was guided into that relationship with Elizabeth, but only after he acquiesced to Louis Mountbatten long ago. I’d also like to add that his terms in school (Gordonstoun) were not necessarily easy (they were disastrous for his son). He was probably bullied until he stood up for himself, and really could not talk about his feelings, having little or no support with a near confidant.
It sounds like you saw the same Philip interview I saw, Sussexfan. Anything to do with his “feelings”was definitely off-limits. But there are other examples of his outright hostility to discussing emotion.
You also remind me of how determined Philip was for Charles to be “tough” and his belief that the boy was too “sensitive”. Of course, that’s why he insisted that his son go to Gordonstoun. And Philip was dangled before then Princess Elizabeth when she was just 13 and he was 18 by Mountbatten who understood that a young inexperienced girl like that would find his handsome nephew irresistible. Mountbatten is also the one who pressured Philip to demand that the family name be changed to Mountbatten Windsor which eventually it was.
And Leslie Hutchinson is sometimes mistaken for Paul Robeson. Edwina never even met Robeson.
I 100% believe Will is bi. His friendship and work circle is suspect.
If we look at the timing of this book release it just another attempt to undermine Diana. Still, Charles doesn’t come off very well at all either.
Some of the tidbits the book drops had me in stitches. Like having to have his shoelaces ironed every day.
This all sounds wildly exaggerated and parts made up. Maybe one time Diana followed Charles from room to room during an argument. I can’t see Charles saying he might be gay when it was so obvious he wasn’t. Diana had plenty of male attention and affairs during their marriage, she didn’t need Charles for that, but to be a good father to their children.
Diana clearly wanted more than affairs. She wanted to remarry and have more children Charles would put down Diana in public. He said in front of people at a banquet that he needed two wives.
If I had transcripts of every mildly psychotic thing I have uttered/screamed at ex boyfriends, husband, etc….well let’s just say we all say stuff we later regret in the heat of the moment. I once told my husband he made me hate all men. Is there a kernel of truth there? I’ll plead the fifth. LOL.
This. All of the “my fave is unproblematic” that goes on hides how messy real human beings can be. I totally believe Diana could get triggered and reactive.
I remember reading an article at the time of their breakup that the last time they had sex was on vacation when Harry was 2. Diana would have been 25. Can you imagine being 25, world famous, hailed as a perfect wife and mother – and your husband is flat out refusing to sleep with you? There would be some yelling and screaming involved.
I’d be mortified if there were transcripts of all the horrible things I have screamed at my husband during arguments. Hurtful, nasty, childish things, and he’s done the same to me. That sort of thing can happen in relationships and I have no trouble believing Diana and Charles could have done it, and also that she chased him around their mansions screeching at him, because I have done that, too. Despite the myths to the contrary, royals are only human beings like the rest of us, with the same flaws and foibles. My husband and I got over it after we’d vented our spleens and always made up because we are a good match despite our occasional juvenile screeching matches. Diana and Charles were not and should never have married. .
Somehow The Crown missed all this. Imagine the meltdown from Charles if Netflix green lighted depicting these rows. And I doubt that Diana was chasing Charles through Highgrove because she wanted to have sex with him. She had better options by then.
It’s not the wanting to have sex with him as opposed to being rejected on such a deep and personal level while being expected to publicly perform as a perfect wife and mother. It would be superhuman to try to hold that together. She was 23-26 when all this was going on.
Another cockroach, sorry I mean “royal expert”, trying to get some $$$$ in before Harry’s book comes out as after that no “expert” will be able to claim to know what the royals are thinking. We will know as we will have heard it from Harry. Cue more lurid claims in the following days.
Not enough is talked about how an unsuspecting naive and immature NINETEEN year old was literally used as a broodmare then tossed to the side when her job was done. These people are sick !
Well said @Noki! I’ve always disliked him for the way he treated Diana. He is really vile.
To answer regarding guns: Charles would have had at least one shotgun, but probably many more, because they’d arm invited hunting parties. There is no way hunters were allowed to hunt with the Prince using their own weapons. Bird hunting is done with shotguns.
He probably had/has pistols, too. Many, maybe most hunters keep a pistol around to deliver a coup de grâce when hunting large animals. Plus, he was the Prince of Wales. He probably had and has access to many historic weapons that belong on the estate.
I don’t believe that weapons were drawn, only that they’d certainly be there.
Right, but generally these are all kept basically secured in a specific room. There might be a few historic pieces displayed on walls, but no fire arm is stored or displayed loaded. It would be against every safety and common sense protocol.
Why won’t they think of the Queen’s feelings? Oh wait, she’s dead.
More lurid stories to make Diana seem unhinged, overemotional, a “nutcase”. Note how Diana is painted in an unflattering light for “mocking” Camilla. This guy is really trying to imply Diana was a Brynn Hartman type.
I watched the Panorama interview yesterday for the first time in many years, and I was surprised at how differently I perceived it. When I watched it when it first aired, I thought Diana seemed unhinged, but watching it again yesterday she seemed perfectly rational and far more clever than I gave her credit for back in the 90s.
These excerpts are gross and sad. I doubt they’re true, for what it’s worth. I have no desire to read this book.
I dunno, I can believe a lot of this. I’m sure their arguments were explosive. I think Diana poured her sorrows out on someone else AFTER the arguments, but I don’t doubt that there were some really ugly arguments. and yes, sometimes if you’re in the midst of a heated argument and someone walks away, you follow them bc you feel they are shutting down or shutting you out etc.
Diana wanted Charles to pay attention to HER, even if it was through arguing/fighting. I can even see the sarcastic comment about being gay coming from him.
I don’t think anyone was genuinely worried about guns or whatever though. But I do think the fights were pretty bad for a while there.
I believe the fights were bad. Charles once ripped a sink out of the wall and threw it (and that was just him getting upset at a cufflink, not a marital fight). But this excerpt makes it seem like Diana was the only volatile part of it which I am sure is intentional.
What did the cufflink do to him?!?!?!?!
And yes this does make diana sound like the only volatile one, which I agree is intentional because we know Charles has a temper too, but I can also see him being quietly cruel to Diana in their fights which would just enrage her more. So he’s this cruel asshole and when she fights back its all “why darling, you’re just so upset and unhinged, you just need to calm down” which is INFURIATING.
My bad, it was a collar stud. It fell down the drain and Charles became enraged and tore the sink from the wall and smashed it and then choked his butler.
So yes, the quiet cruelness is definitely a thing toxic people do, but I have trouble seeing it in Charles personally, lol.
I would not be surprised if he physically abused Diana.
Jeez Louise, that sink was either flimsily installed or Charles has the strength of the Hulk to rip that sucker out. And then proceed to choke his butler as the finishing touch. Nice! Hopefully they recovered the collar stud since the sink got disassembled.
@Feeshalori – Lol, I think the strangling happened at another time – the valet said he had to hide in a cupboard until Charles calmed down. But now I’m imagining a kind of Bizarro World/Marvel story – “Windsor Forever,” with Charles having passed down his terrible legacy of incandescence to William and the whole palace staff cowering in case one of them Hulks out. No wonder the palace needs 350 million in repairs.
It was the same incident. After they had retrieved the collar stud and put it in. Charles then choked the butler who fled and hid.
Yikes! One may say Charles had the strength of his convictions that gave him such inhuman super powers to rip out a sink, smash it to smithereens and then choke his butler as the coup de grace.😳
Completely agree @Becks1. As I said in an earlier response, if there was a written transcript of every argument I have had and every mild-to-moderately psychotic thing I have said, especially when young and or inebriated….ugh. I’d be cancelled for sure. When one is emotional and upset and trying to make the other person feel the pain one is feeling, harsh and regrettable words often come out.
Charles was the only man that Diana really loved.
Love did not last and i doubt diana had romantic feelings for charles after the way he treated her. Diana fell in love with dr khan and wanted to marry him.
As much as i hate Charles, it’s true that it was him that she loved the most. She expressed this to a number of her friends.
(1) When James Colthurst (the guy that act as a mediator for morton’s book) asked her how she would react if Charles threw his arms around her and told her how well she had done. She replied: ‘I would be absolutely shaken and would forgive him,’ . (2) during London hearing Roberto Devorik confessed that she said to him “I’ve been loved by white people, black people, gay people, Jewish people. The one man I really loved in my life has not loved me”. (3) Her bestfriend Lucia Flecha de Lima said that, when Diana and Charles met and agreed to divorced, she had told him that “i will love you for ever” (4) during her lunch with Tina Brown and Anna Wintour, they had asked her, would she get back with Charles if he wanted her back and she replied “in a heartbeat”.
Note that some of these confession was made, even while she was dating Hasnat Khan. Hasnat was the healthiest relationship she had and she felt secure with him but like many of her close confidants, I doubt that she had loved anyone as much as she did Charles. Charles disgust me, I will never understand why she loved him so much but love is a strange thing, the heart wants what it wants.
Based on what I’ve read, some, from her own words, Charles wasnt ALWAYS cruel to her, he was loving one minute and indifferent in another minute. He would shame her and dismiss her one minute, and be all worried that she wasnt sleeping for 3 days straight in another minute. That is why, i think it was confusing for Diana.
As much as I loathe Charles, it’s true that he was the she loved most. She confessed this to a number of her friends.
(1) James Colthurst asked her how she would react if Charles threw his arms around her and told her how well she had done. She replied: ‘I would be absolutely shaken and would forgive him”
(2) Another friend Roberto Devorik confessed in her inquest that she had said to him: “I’ve been loved by white people, black people, gay people, Jewish people. The one man I really loved in my life has not loved me.”
(3) her bestfriend Lucia Flecha de Lima said that when Diana and Charles met to agree on their divorce, she had told him “I will love you for ever”
(4) Just a month before her death, during a lunch with Tina Brown and Anna Wintour, they had asked her is she would go back to Charles if he had asked her and she replied “in a heartbeat”.
Note that some of these confession was made while she was dating Hasnat Khan. Hasnat was the healthiest relationship she ever had and perhaps she felt emotionally secure with him but like most of her friends, I doubt that she had love anyone else more than she did Charles.
I will never understand why she loved him so much but she did and love is a stage thing that sometimes cant be reason with logic. And Charles wasnt ALWAYS cruel to her, he was loving one minute and indifferent in another minute. He would shame and dismiss her in one minute and act all worried about her the next minute. In diana own words, he was “hot and cold”, you never know what kind of treatment you’re going to get from him. I believe this was what confuses Diana. Love and toxicity works hand in hand and it can be confusing sometimes.
The way Charles treated Diana, it’s no wonder she ended up feeling he was the only man she could ever really love. She said (somewhat paraphrasing) that it was like he was obsessed with her sometimes, but it was up and down, hot and cold. I have been through that. That kind of manipulation makes you constantly wonder where you stand with him, and because you’re constantly trying to figure him out, he entirely takes over your thoughts. Then when it’s over, you don’t know who you are any longer, and certainly don’t know how to love anyone else.
I had to rebuild myself pretty much entirely. And I didn’t have tabloids watching my every move, or a royal family gaslighting me, or all the other crap Diana was put through. I’m sure she would have loved again — maybe she already did by her death. But when you are subjected to that kind of puppet mastery, it wrecks you.
If Charles said he wanted her back o do not think she would have gone back. She imo did not totally trust him. She would have hesitated and may have not gone back. She may have reached the point of no return when she confronted camilla.she said to him after he scolded her and told him how could you have done this to me. Diana was a realist imo and though she loved him the trust was gone. She lived until 36 and I think had she survived the accident she might well have found the real love of her life.
I love a bit of gossip – obviously – but this is gross. Even if it’s true, this isn’t for public consumption. And I don’t think it’s true, it sounds off.
If Diana raged about Camilla she had every right to as the wronged wife. This business about future queens expected to tolerate sidepieces is ridiculous.
“Dreary looking Camilla”. Lol someone was just dying to put that description in print. Cam must be thrilled. I guess calling her “the married adulteress” would be worse…
” Violence seemed inevitable”. To everyone around them but no mention of C-Rex’ well publicized temper, only “threats” from Diana. Its also a direct reminder of Diana’s horrifying “accident”.
Telling everyone that C-Rex unilaterally ended their sexual relationship, his ludicrous deflection to possibly being gay (despite all evidence to the contrary), and his “do you know who I am” remarks to his WIFE, should tell anyone paying attention who this clown really is. He hasn’t changed and just from his recent “kingly” behavior, he has gotten worse with age.
This is almost as bad as that RR who insisted that Chuck and Cams did not have sex the night before his wedding to Diana, Cam only gave him a bj. Who was supposed to look good after that ridiculous statement? Are the RRs secretly trying to bring down the monarchy? Bc judging from their numerous articles, reports, books, defensive arguments (I mean interviews), they are doing an excellent job!
@Chantal: welp, I’m off to find the brain bleach … 🤢
I find it hard to believe that a man who threw a fit over a pen wasn’t more of a problem in fights than his young wife. Maybe they only saw the aftermath, because that kind of constant fit throwing anger takes a toll.
Either way, he gaslit the crap out of her. Who wouldn’t be upset by a husband who’d been having an ongoing affair with a woman who befriended them, sabotaged them, set them up, and then worked with their husband to try to make them look crazy to the press.
“Charles and Diana fundamentally didn’t work because she wanted a father figure and he wanted a mother figure.”
That’s my last marriage in a nutshell!
As November approached, the tension surrounding the release of Harry’s memoir increased. The reason for the anxiety is Harry’s book would compete with Andersen’s, and Charles would go into a 1st-degree meltdown. Convince me that Charles didn’t negotiate with Harry to delay the release of his book.
There’s always a hidden agenda whenever the noise surrounding anything on Harry and Meghan’s schedule is thunderous. It’s called distraction. Sit back, and soon as the noise subsides, truth steps from behind the curtain. When the publisher announced the official release date of SPARE, British media gasped. “So soon after the Queen’s death!” even though the release date on Camilla’s biography was September. The mind games they play.
I’ve always believed Charles is bisexual, and Prince Phillip knew. Beautiful women chased Charles, perhaps because of his title, but he never showed a deep interest in them. The pressure on him to get married increased from within because, eventually, outsiders would become suspicious, and the cost of the invisible contract would increase. His attraction to Camilla provides a cover, and she pays the price. He awards her the crown in exchange for silence.
Finally!
What I’ve long suspected is on Celebitchy.
I’ve never thought Charles prefers the company of women.
He probably made exceptions, but there’s no way that a heterosexual man wouldn’t enjoy his honeymoon to the absolute fullest, with a young woman such as Diana.
Bulimia or no bulimia, Camilla or no Camilla.
We all know this. Let’s not kid ourselves, please.
LOL!
I think Diana mentioned something along these lines too but l.read an old article a few years ago about Prince William, apparently he is very camp behind closed doors too !!!
A very attractive wife offers her husband sex and he turns her down. On what planet!! Something is off here.
But at that point he could not stand her.
IMO he felt forced to marry her and resented her popularity. She wanted intimacy if not love and he denied it to her in the most hurtful ways. If he really was gay that would be another issue that they could have dealt with. He just avoided intimacy with her as punishment.
That’s actually pretty common. I had a former model relative who was stunning, charming, smart but emotionally demanding. Her husband ditched her for a very ordinary woman, he had lost all interest in sex with her after their second child.
On the honeymoon he gave Diana books to read they could discuss at dinner. I think he gave her some books by some of his mentors. He had to like her then because he needed heirs.
Tessa,Lauren van Der Post. A racist South African ” philosopher”.
Diana was used by the BRF. Period.
She had more charm, and worked on her charity projects.
Charles hated the fact that Diana outshone him constantly.
Young, beautiful, popular.
I still think Charles was a no good cheater, all the way thru his relationship with Diana.
What self-respecting person — of any sexual orientation — would have sex with Charles?
I doubt that some day Diana loved, lusted or missed charles in her bed or life… All of her lovers and crushes are normal men with brown eyes… she never had a affair even with a aristo….
Lady Diana had Borderline personality disorder.