Netflix’s Harry & Meghan is a hit! The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have a real Midas Touch, don’t they? They always sell out, they always top the ratings, everything they touch turns to gold. It looks smarter and smarter that Netflix locked them into a production deal, doesn’t it? Netflix released the early-days viewership for the H&M docuseries – the first three episodes of which dropped on Thursday – and it’s one of Netflix’s biggest shows of the year, especially in the US and UK. According to Netflix’s numbers, Harry & Meghan had 2.4 million views in the first 24 hours IN THE UK. The first-day ratings for the docuseries were also double the first-day ratings of The Crown’s Season 5. I would imagine the numbers will be phenomenal for this weekend too – many people didn’t have time to watch the three episodes on Thursday, but they had time this weekend.
Meanwhile, the NY Times did a piece on the director of the series, Liz Garbus, and the background of how she came onto the project. Harry and Meghan handed Garbus fifteen hours of their personal footage, video diaries which they filmed in 2020 as they were Sussexiting. When Garbus was asked how much control the Sussexes had over the series and whether they had final approval, she tells the Times: “It was a collaboration. You can keep asking me, but that’s what I’ll say.” But the most interesting part is where the Sussexes’ spokesperson shuts down one of the British media’s big whines/talking points, which is “Harry and Meghan are hypocrites for crying about privacy and then making this docuseries.” Here’s that section:
Some have questioned why Harry and Meghan chose to make a documentary, suggesting that the couple’s decision to give up their royal duties meant they wanted to lead a more private life. In a statement to The Times, the couple’s global press secretary, Ashley Hansen, disputed this narrative.
“Their statement announcing their decision to step back mentions nothing of privacy and reiterates their desire to continue their roles and public duties,” she said. “Any suggestion otherwise speaks to a key point of this series. They are choosing to share their story, on their terms, and yet the tabloid media has created an entirely untrue narrative that permeates press coverage and public opinion. The facts are right in front of them.”
For what it’s worth, Harry was the one who said stuff about privacy over the years, but it’s true that by the time they exited, it was less about privacy and more about escaping from the daily vitriol and attacks. Meghan has never claimed to want “privacy,” because she understands that what she really wants is to set and enforce are boundaries. A more cogent criticism might be that Meghan and Harry want “control of their narrative,” to which I say, that’s not a criticism, especially not for royalty. Everyone wants control of their narrative. Everyone wants to set and enforce boundaries. Everyone wants the right to exist without being smeared and lied about constantly. Everyone wants the right to tell their story in their own time and in their own way.
Speaking of, we’re finally getting some fun wedding photos! But I thought they wanted privacy!!! *sobs*
Photos courtesy of Netflix.
Loving it. I look forward to the last 3 episodes.
I rewatched yesterday, and I absolutely cannot wait. Mainly because I think there will be more revelations in the last 3 eps, espeically about Jason Knauf’s role in all of this. He was mentioned (and shown) too many times for him NOT to be exposed.
And, of course, I want to see more behind the scenes photos, vignette’s of H&M! Their love story is really amazing.
I too think Knauf will be mentioned perhaps in the lawsuit coverage. They even had a little diagram with his face over the press office. They’re laying it out for the revelations to come, I hope.
I noticed it was mentioned a few times how Jason was their ‘shared’ communication person. Perhaps more to come on how he was mainly there to keep tabs on the Sussexes and helped plan out attacks via the media.
Wish it was Thursday today. Cannot wait. 🙏 let this week go by quickly.
OMG!! you know what!? I just realized that kate ONLY got pregnant with her third child, because Meg came in the picture!!!! She desperately wanted to upstage Meg and what is the best way to do this? To have a baby…
I mean we will never know if it’s true, but the timing was on point and we all know how Kate works!
Sry but that’s really really beyond creppy!!!
William had also done the ski trip in Verbier with the boys in the spring that year and got caught dad dancing.
I think Kate always wanted that third baby, I think the dad-dancing cemented it for her, and I think the timing was also to avoid working as a FT royal. Remember that was the fall they moved into KP full-time and were supposed to finally be full time royals etc and then Kate was like surprise bitches!
Pure sex glow in the photos from Africa.
And that # was just by those who watched on telly , they have not counted those who watched on phones , computers, and other devices .
Kate and her green screen dress couldn’t even get a quarter of that # to watch their desperate PR show
And as for the privacy bit, the only time I remember was when archie was born and they wanted privacy to enjoy for a few day like any normal human being .
Harry’s always wished for ” privacy ” for his family including kate when he feels the press are becoming more intrusive something everyone should do
302 people watched the earthshot livestream on pbs. 4k people watched the ripple of hope red carpet. not the actual event. Just the red carpet. Harry and Meghan were there for literally 2 minutes, and that was just the guardian’s channel. Will and Kate’s own “fans” are more interesting in seeing what Meghan is wearing than tuning into William and Kate’s superbowl moment. jfc.
Right?! It’s utterly pathetic. And, that’s how you know they’re not actually W&K fans but rather paid bots and trolls or just racist haters – their engagement on the socials never amounts to much of anything. Anything having to do with Meghan has millions of interactions, while Will and Kate have a fraction of what it should be for their number of Twitter and IG followers. I know Bot Sentinel has done work on this but I wish more media reported on this dedicated hate machinery (maybe the documentary will address this in the final volume).
You left out that 95+ % of tabloids space has been devoted to them. I’m waiting for Peg and Buttons to bring out the kids this week.
To be fair, that 304 number was just the pbs channel. I saw that the YouTube video of their event had over 3M views. But I’m guessing that’s the peak and it won’t continue growing.
Duch, given 99% of any view of EarthSh!t content*likely* tracks to a certain party warehouse in Berkshire, KP, and racist trolls in their mummy’s basements? Those are not ‘valid’ numbers. We’ve seen how far the haters will go to inflate the W&K sh!tshow.
I wish people would stop falling into the competition thing the British media and KP is pushing. Ultimately it ends up giving more attention to those losers and the Sussex haters just end up running to artificially inflate numbers.
Also they’ve been advertising heavily on YouTube and they have artists performing to attract viewers. Their other video did well because of Billie, Chloe and Halle.etc
But that shouldn’t matter because again the Sussexes are NOT in competition with kill and bill.
They are in their own league. Leave those other 2 boneheads in anonymity.
I swear to God, On Wednesday or Thursday, earthflop had 46,000 views on the PBS youtube channel, and people were clowning the numbers on Twitter and LSA, so PBS had taken down the video because of the comment section clowning the Earthflop viewing numbers. Now it’s back up with inflated viewer numbers. I know youtube is behind that scheme to not embarrass them. Because when they first joined youtube. They were kissing W&K’s ass. No way in hell would the viewing number jump that high organically, in a few days.
The bots angle is interesting. I was just watching the YT trailer and scrolling down thru the comments and its weird how many of them start with the phrase “I love the part where…” What are the odds? Note to the bot farms: You might want to make it a little less obvious, switch up the wording at least. smh
@Nota- that’s a good observation, thanks for giving that context. My midwestern brain can’t immediately immediately take into account for all the spinning and fudging and frankly fraud.
They’ve been running it as an ad, so it pops up in people’s feed. If you click on it and watch for an incredibly short period of time, it counts as a view.
Would love to know who is paying for the ad buy.
The 2.4 million viewing numbers are for the UK audience only. That’s why Kaiser said in the UK, in her write-up. Twitter makes it clear those are only UK numbers.
I watched it on my phone because I couldn’t wait. I was watching a bit here and there in the waiting room for the doctor and in the school pick up line and in bed before everyone woke up. It was in bits and pieces, but totally worth it. I finally watched it again on my TV this weekend.
They are killing it! With next to no promotion, thanks to the RF and So-called Carnival. Anyway, I love what we’ve seen so far and cannot wait for Thursday! The vid/pic of Archie kissing his mom is the most precious thing. 😍 Well, all the bits with Archie are my favorite parts, tbh. He’s adorable through and through, which of course speaks to the loving parenting he’s getting from H&M.
Of course they want to tell THEIR story THEMSELVES. When others’ narratives are different, it is logical to tell their side themselves. That would hold true for anyone. I too want to tell MY story myself. Or at least collaborate with someone telling my story.
And I believe Meghan does understand that when you do what they do and since they are who they are, privacy goes out the window – but boundaries need to be set. Completely logical. Diana eluded to that in one of the clips. And I think that is why the kids’ faces have not been shown. Harry and Meghan chose this life but the kids did not; thus no exposing of the kids.
I have only watched one episode but I am team H&M, this won’t change what I believe about the BaRF.
Re: the disingenuous “privacy,” argument, I heard this on a podcast the other day and I loved it.
The person compared H&M’s decisions like this, “Just because I show you one photo on my phone doesn’t mean I’m giving you permission to go through my entire camera roll!”
This is actually what M said to Oprah about privacy in a segment of the interview that wasnt aired on the night but the next morning on CBS. It has been making the rounds on the internet ever since then.
@Kingston, LMAO I have SUCH a bad memory that I’d totally forgotten that’s where it originated! I feel so dumb right now, lol.
But I’m glad I was reminded of it because there are so many people IRL that I find myself defending H&M to, and that one line usually shuts them up about the whole “privacy” non-argument.
I’ve loved it and am so glad that Meghan and Harry have been able to tell their story. The trash media has as and will continue to lie and twist what they have shares but it doesn’t matter we see the truth.
I’m glad they’re telling their story too. And that the RRs are getting called out more and more on their ‘royal sources’ lies. There’s one getting roasted now for her ‘exclusive’ that the Wailses are not watching, not talking to the press, telling their friends not to comment…but she’s also breaking news that W&K are sending Christmas presents to Archie and Lili but not speaking to Harry and Meghan. None of it makes any sense and they can’t even see how they contradict themselves…in the same article!
I’m loving it! I’ve been on Twitter calling out the royal “experts” whereever I can. My favourite is reminding the Brits that no-one is calling for Michelle Mone to be stripped of her title. To anyone outside the UK she’s a Baroness in the House of Lords who looks to have benefited from £29 million of taxpayers money by selling PPE which was unfit for purpose. What like minded people are pointing out is that there have been upwards of 50 negative articles about H&M in the Express and Mail but ZERO reporting on Mone.
The pushback on Twitter has been fantastic. People are querying posts when the “experts” use unnamed “sources”. I love that people are reminding the royal “experts” that the three episodes were about attacking the media and their false narrative.
I would also like to thank the #SussexSquad and the “Brazen Husseys” for giving me the courage to post. I’m sure there are a lot of people like myself who stayed quiet because we thought we would be shouted down. I love that I know if I post something to support H&M there are others out there who feel exactly the same. It’s wonderful.
I hope the numbers for this series blows the roof off of viewerships. I have enjoyed every episode and continue to wish the Sussexes the very best. Hopeful episodes 1 and 2 of the next series goes after the gutter media and reference Jason Knauff betrayal. Hope episode 3 of this final series shows the Sussexes and kids living in their happy ever after while showcasing Archewell.
I second your hope for the remaining content. I really want them to name names and produce receipts on the rota machinery/reporters and Jason Knife in the back, and make it clear that the attacks were coming from inside the palace. And then end on a forward-looking note with Archewell.
@SussexWatcher I hv a strong feeling that this docuseries will not be conflated with Archewell’s work.
In just abt 2 yrs Archewell has achieved so much, including some pioneering work……it’s phenomenal! So my hope & expectation is tht one of the upcoming projects from ArchewellProductions for Netflix will be a compelling docu on its work.
Am sooooooo looking forward to that!
Meanwhile, The Other Brother’s PBS Earthshit special had a whopping 302 viewers (streams?) in the US. Let the Wailses please take this as a message to never come back here.
It’s exhausting that people keep using the privacy line. They never said that. It was always about safety. Anyway the doc is great. I’m glad so many people are watching it. Harry’s story especially emerging from a sequestered world of privilege and assumptions about white supremacy is really important. It’s one thing for the RF to say words about not being racist but quite another for us to get an actual look into the inner workings of that world.
Exactly, they have not hammered on wanting privacy to the point of never being seen or heard from again: this is the argument many people are using against them. As well as that of thr queen never complaining or explaining.
It’s radical that David Olusoga, Afua Hirsch and _Prince__Harry_(!) are explaining how the Commonwealth (Empire 2.0) is built on racism. That the royal experts are essentially professional mouthpieces for the royals. That the British media has been knowingly lying and publishing those lies with (apparently) the tacit approval of Harry’s relatives…
It’s amazing to see how this has impacted World Cup too.
I haven’t been following the games. How did it impact the World Cup?
I don’t know if this is what the OP means, but I’ve seen French people online saying the win over England was for Meghan Markle (was it also French fans that were previously holding up signs saying Meghan is one of us?). And also posters making jokes that, ‘England, it’s not coming home and neither is Prince Harry.’ That sort of thing. But I don’t know if that’s what the OP is referring to.
It was Italian fans that held up that sign when there was a championship game bw England and Italy. That’s when William didn’t congratulate the Italian team for the win. Essentially, any time England loses on the world stage, the opposing team will say the win is for Meghan. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like anything will come home for England until they make things right with Meghan, at least as far as sports superstitions go.
Many football-mad/ soccer-crazy fans amongst my friends, family and acquaintances did not watch the World Cup due to the human rights and corruption scandals with Qatar. I did not know that H&M impacted any viewing of the World Cup, but perhaps this year’s WC venue has had an impact there.
All the football fans around me have zero interest in British royals in UK or America lol!
I must give a shoutout to anyone who wants to take the piss out of the British royal family and their media. I do remember smiling when I read that the French beat England.
Even IF they had made statements about privacy, everyone has the right to change how they live or share more or less about their OWN lives at their OWN whim.
I thought people in the UK weren’t going to watch it. think Harry and Meghan have the right to tell their story especially as the Palace has never stopped briefing against them. I’ve enjoyed the docuseries and I’m looking forward to Vol.II.
I only have 14 days to live because once the numbers come out on 12-25 regarding Kate’s Christmas show, and how the numbers don’t even begin to compare to H&M, I am going to die laughing. Just laugh so hard I fall over dead.
Definitely don’t go look for the Earthshit numbers either. I want you to live a long time. Long live the Celebitches, for there is much snark to be had!
I want to know why Kate Middleton is trying to upstage and sabotage the Sussexes Netflix show, which was announced first, by holding her carol concert on the same day……Lol! 😂
She did wear the sparkly red dress and was pictured advertising the special yesterday
Kate is so predictable.
Should we lay bets on whether the poor Wales kids will be dragged out to try to increase ratings for her Keen Kristmas Koncert? She’s gotta know by now she can’t compete and will be pulling out all the stops for more attention on her Vaseline-lensed piano “performance.”
Oh, I think there’s no doubt we’ll see all three kids dressed in the finest, most stuffy victorian cosplay money can buy.
I think the real wagering is on whether or not Kate can wrangle the children to put on a full pantomime show, which is very British and would actually be kind of fun. But I don’t think she has that much of a sense of humour.
Well, there’s a good chance charlotte and George will be there. Whether or not they decide to bring Louis, idk?
If Louis is there, they may muzzle him like Hanibal Lechter so he doesn’t stick his tongue out at Kate in public again. Poor kid.
Hey now, she posted a picture of herself in a red dress. If that doesn’t drum up interest, what will?!!
There have been a few more pictures with different angles released today. It’s really quite pathetic.
Yeah, she stood stiffly and awkwardly in front of a boringly-decorated tree in the same dress we just saw a few days ago. That’s going to wow the viewers.
Just dashed to Harpers for those photos. How uncomfortable does she look? Whoever heavily edits her pictures always leaves her hands free of help. What is happening with her hands btw? I think she looks unwell. They are “winning” in the UK tabloid press by default of being the negative to a positive power couple and that will take its toll – particularly on Kate, whom they use as their pictorial ambassador.
Lorelei: that’s actually a different dress from the one she wore to the fancy tiara reception. Similar, but different.
And Blue Nails Betty: it’s been nice knowing you!
@BeanieBean, seriously? I only scrolled by it quickly, but that’s a different dress?? I mean, obviously I believe you, but if it’s so similar that people are mistaking it for the other one, it shows right there what a poor choice it was, IMO.
I know that Kate tends to wear lots of things that we’d all swear she already has already (i.e. blue coats), but this is such a bad choice if she’s trying to promote an entirely different event. Sigh.
Those wedding reception photos are hot AF 🔥
OMG I can only imagine W&K watching that on their separate tellies in their separate bedrooms in their separate houses, and both of them as green as Kate’s dress with envy and rage because they NEVER EVER had that kind of love or that much fun in their entire lives, and never will.
I believe the UK tabloid media has set up a false dilemma, which is a logical fallacy: the only choices are total privacy in which H&M are never seen from again, or hounded daily to a level no celebrity experiences in any other country – from Harry’s birth to the birth of his children forever and ever, amen.
I’m SO enjoying this takedown of that institution (the tabloid media).
On a serious note, I believe death threats on H&M (especially M) hv increased since the docu.
@kaiser often says the salt islanders are screaming crying and throwing up after each Sussex triumph, and she isn’t lying. Because along wth all that, comes their desire to get rid of what’s fuelling their angst & loser status. And in this regard I’ve seen Twitter convos between haters where one asks: so when is this going to end. And the response was: when she’s six ft under.
This is wht the shidtrags are fuelling. Because never in the history of the british tabloid industry where they make a hunger-games sport out of going after folks in the society whom theyve made into enemies of the stare, hv any of their victims ever fought bk as successfully as H&M are doing.
They’re trying to make the simples and the poors believe tht H&M are trying to “bring down the monarchy” and “disrespect the queen’s legacy” as a “look over there, not over here” kind of tactic, when in fact H&M are showing how the britshidtmedia has the entire society in a hostage situation.
But Vol 2 is gonna drive home H&M’s point even more and I can’t wait to see the fallout.
The people who hate Meghan are mostly middle and upper middle class Little Englanders. Not poor people.
It’s terrifying. I know they have excellent security, but when they’re walking out in the open I’m just CRINGING…all it takes is one nutcase deciding to be a sniper that day. Obviously they have to live their lives and not hide away, but JFC they are braver than I am. She’s called Tungsten for a reason!
You nailed it, it is like a hostage situation.
The people who hate the Sussexes most are the racist bigots that voted for Brexit.
I’m loving and feasting on all the videos and photos H&M are sharing with us. Fingers crossed, still hoping to see the Montecito kitchen.
I just got to give Netflix their props. The decision to show the docuseries in two volumes a week apart was genius. Volume 1 laid the groundwork and Netflix knew the British Media would show their unhinged assesses to the world. So by the time Volume 2 is released and the anvil drops, the entire world will finally understand just how toxic things are and fully understand why H&M escaped from that crazy.
Totally agree. Also glad H&M are just using shade to get their points across. It’s driving the media crazy cause H&M are not doing the dirty work for the media. If the media wants to spread salacious gossip about members of the Royal Family, then let them do it on their own and not use H&M as their surrogates/scapegoats.
Agreed. Seeing the DM coverage of this….my god, you would think they’re trying to exhume the queen’s body or something.
@Becks, I did see one person claiming that the whole curtsy-mocking thing was “treason” (yes they were being serious)
@Lorelei I have a friend whose ILs are from England and she sent me a screenshot of their WhatsApp chat….and yes, they called it treason and suggested H&M should be drawn and quartered. (these people are tories but did not vote for Brexit.)
The hate the tabloids are stirring up is really really extreme and scary.
Does anyone know if we watch the doc multiple times if that counts in weekly viewing numbers or is it only by each separate Netflix account?
I’ve loved it so far and found myself going back to catch pictures that I missed the first time.
I was initially apprehensive about them doing this because of the potential for hate but after seeing how many lies the BM made up about the most mundane things like first dance song etc I’m glad they did it.
It also hopefully cuts off the market for books about Meghan & Harry and what they supposedly think when you can get the information from the source themselves.
Yes the right wing haters especially has been unhinged these last few days and yes some other traditional media are mad they didn’t get the drama they wanted but I glad they are speaking their truth. I’ve noticed lots of people positively changing their minds about H&M after watching.
I hope they are in their happy bubble surrounded by lots of love!!
Every view counts. 🪄 ✨ 💕 🖖
celebitches supporting each other is my jam 🎶 y’all like how cool 😎 ok. 💕 love this community ♾️ like a love song baby ok NGL
🎶Every view counts in large amounts…🎵
With apologies to Depeche Mode 😂
those numbers measure “unique views” and are counted per screen. so rewatching on the same computer/smartphone/TV is not counted as an additional view. each device has a signature so it’s like a vote-one per each.
I had no idea if this would make a difference or not, but even though I watched it on my phone, I also put it on on the tv downstairs, just in case 😂
I think I remember reading about Bridgerton numbers that they also count re-watches. They tally both first-time screenings and repeat viewings.
Love 💕 it 🎶 🎧 🎤 @InterestedGawker!! Omg bringing me back w that Depeche Mode 🔥 can’t fight it 💕 🖖 🎵 🌍
So funny that there have been hundreds of articles about how boring the series is. Because that’s actually the point – H&M fell in love and got married with the blessing of the Queen. That’s it; that’s their big crime. Meghan’s not a serial killer and she’s not a saint. And even if she was bossy in the office, how does that justify 6 years full of daily vitriol – thousands and thousands of abusive articles, multiple books and hundreds interviews by people who have never met her? All for a woman the BM say isn’t worth paying attention to. And now, hundreds of articles nitpicking a documentary they say isn’t worth watching. To me, this is the really extraordinary part of the story.
Expecting employees to show up to work on time, show up five days a week, and actually do their jobs? That’s not ‘being bossy in the office’, that’s being a working professional. Given the staff admitted they only saw W&K once a month? Of course they were mad to be expected to F*cking work.
My point is that even if it was true that she was “bossy in the office,” that still doesn’t justify 6 years of public abuse.
And my point is, even hypothetically saying she may have been ‘bossy in the office’ is supporting the fake bullying ideas about her. Giving the idea weight or possibility, etc.
Yikes, I didn’t know there were gatekeepers for the proper way to express support for Meghan.
I’m just saying, by the way you worded it, you are leaning in to the idea that she was ‘bossy’ instead of her being the boss expecting the staff to work. That wording difference matters, given how much she was subjected to the ABW stereotype. That only gives fuel to all the t r o l l s on here in the last few days.
@Eurydice, and @notasugarhere, I may be reading your posts wrong, but unfortunately, this is exactly what the BM/tabloid misinformation achieved. Have you both considered maybe the bossy stories are as made up as the other stories the rotas pushed?
Bryong Gordon wrote a piece for The Telegraph on Dec 9, 2022 (an archived copy is on SS member’s Twitter post like Royal_Suitor.) In the article, Bryong stated that Prince Harry and Meghan’s staffs were in tears once they got the news of their departure from the UK.
Arguing over this is not needed. Let us not fall into the BM/RR manipulation. Peace to you both. Cheers!
Well said Petra!
There’s nothing wrong with what you said. Meghan’s expectation for the work style was completely different than what they were use to. She actually expected them to do their job and not just lounge around with titles and benefits of working for KP.
A female boss expecting employees to do their job isn’t being bossy though. It’s called being a competent leader.
Bossy is one of those words only applied to women in power and there is zero evidence that Meghan was an unreasonable boss. In any other context Knauf would be personally sued for saying what he did about her.
There is over a decade of Meghan’s work history to show she is not irrational, or unreasonable in the workplace. Calling her a bully three days before the Oprah interview with no alleged employee willing to even support his claims is at minimum gaslighting and defamation.
Thank you, Nic919. As usual, you worded things much better than I did.
@Eurydice — you’re right. The arrogance, racism and entitlement of the staff supposedly working for Meghan meant that reporting to a biracial, American who was an actress in her former life was too much for their tiny brains to deal with. Of course they’d equate her solid work ethic with being “bossy in the office”. She showed them up and for that they had to drag her down.
@Eurydice, I know what you meant and I agree. Even if 1/100th of the nasty claims made about her were true (I don’t think they are, but just for argument’s sake), it STILL wouldn’t warrant the treatment she’s been given. The sustained, relentless campaign of hate and attacks she’s endured for years now isn’t “deserved” by anyone.
So much for “no one in the UK is going to watch this” that the tabloids tried to push huh. And I’m really glad that H&M reiterated the fact that they never left because they wanted privacy. Have they sued because of privacy breaches? Yes but again, they never left because of that. I sometimes see even fans (or at least people who like them a little at least) say this and I think it’s because they’ve accepted the narrative without realising (which I don’t blame them for) so it’s good to see pushback on it.
I always push back against the privacy thing bc it’s such a blatantly false narrative.
First, of course they’re entitled to privacy. Everyone is. The Queen was apparently dying of cancer for a year and everyone seems supportive of that being kept “private” but Meghan’s labor with Archie was supposed to be public info? The line was always different for H&M and they knew that.
But that said, they didn’t leave bc of privacy. They left to escape the abuse, the attacks, and the toxic environment.
It’s an interesting point to me bc we can see how the tabloids created this privacy narrative and now so many people just accept it.
Per their announcement, that’s not why they left either though. They intended to carve an “progressive new role” within the institution. Everyone seems to want to re-write what was said and done.
When I hear it from regular people I ask them where in their departure statement did they use the word privacy. They mumble and hesitate and realize it was never there.
@Crazy8: If you recall, they wanted to be half in half out i.e keep doing engagements for the firm but not take any taxpayer money nor engage with the rota… which are responsible for creating the abuse, the attacks, and the toxic environment as @Becks1 describes. Or at least, help massively fuel it using briefings from the various family members.
That’s why the “progressive new role” line was there. What they wanted in their initial announcement wasn’t what they got.
Being half in/half out wasn’t progressive and new though, it was already done by many members of the RF. Not working with the RR was also not new because Anne consistently does that. (Of course, that could be lack of interest on the RR’s also.)
@Crazy8, the progressive new role they were talking about was meant to get them off the sovereign grant and away from the rota…..because of the toxicity and abuse.
not shocking at all there’s so many views. everyone’s watching as much to support them as to see if dirt is spilled. even if you don’t care about the RF or M&H…controversy and potential for tea to be spilled by a royal member of a family that is “exclusive” and notorious for “secrets behind the door” makes for GOOD TV. Netflix knew this and def cashed in. Also, making it two part spreads up the publicity and ramps up viewership. No one wants to watch W&K bc there’s nothing potentially interesting there…they’re never going to drop any tea.
F-cking A right! Damn straight!! Make it rain ☔️!!! I’m so thrilled for them (& us too ok NGL). Im all in with these 2, can’t fight it. Enamored 🥰 level severe. I can’t even w Fave Duchess she’s everything ok. Lucky 🍀 lucky 👑 Haz 💕 💗 🔥 🖖
stupid BRF sorry not sorry welp
Lady yes they do have that Midas touch and I love how they use their powers for the real good work 🌎 like Wayne and Garthing them here ok
Eurydice just brought up a great point. This really is a story about two people falling in love and getting married. It shouldn’t be interesting beyond the romance. The BM and RR and the complicity of the palaces have turned this rather sweet romance into a global political drama with far-reaching consequences. All of their own making. All they had to do was tone down the attacks after their marriage and let them be, but racists are gonna racist. Now, the world have watched as the invisible contract has been exposed, the veil of mystery has disappeared from the monarchy, the lie of Diana’s boys has been discovered. It’s a lot. And it’s made this rather sweet love story a helluva lot more interesting after the balcony kiss.
I was glad that they touched upon the timing as a factor— this happened as there was a surge of right-wing hate through (at least) Europe and the US, and it did all come down to race.
I wonder if things would have been different if Meghan had married Harry in, like, 2008 when Barack Obama was taking office and things hadn’t become SO polarized and toxic yet. Yes, there were always the disgusting “birthers” and I know the Obamas received threats for sure, but by 2016, Brexit was an all-consuming issue in the UK, and it feels like everyone just went completely off the rails and were doing and saying things that previously would have forced any politician to resign in disgrace, not become a heroic figure for MAGATs. The day Harry had to issue that letter warning the paps to leave M alone was Election Day (or maybe the day before?) in the US, and Trump won, so the atmosphere was just…I don’t even have words to describe how horrific that was- I’ve blocked it out.
It feels like Meghan came along and became a lightning rod for so many things she had nothing to do with, but people saw her as “symbolic” of a lot that they hated. Along the way they completely lost sight of the fact that she was a HUMAN BEING.
@Lorelei: What an insightful comment! I hadn’t thought about it that way before — hadn’t made the connection to the firestorm around Brexit in the UK which the documentary explains, and hadn’t even considered the connection to the dumpster fire of Trump’s election in the US which you’ve just described. Meghan becoming an unwitting and undeserving target for all that simmering hatred makes so much sense in retrospect.
I think it would have been completely different if they had met and married while President Obama was in office. They would have used Meghan to solidify their relationship with the U.S.
LOL A fascinating what-if. However, in 2008, not only was Harry only 3 years into his 10-yr military career, but he was nowhere near the self-actualized man he became by the time he and M met in 2016. If they had met in 2008 we all wouldnt be here talking about them now because they wouldnt have been together.
Despite everything thats happened (altho all the bad stuff thats happened neednt have happened) I am soooo glad they met and fell in love. One more win for the Power of Love. Look at the ripple effect! Thats how Love works: quietly, persistently, assuredly; while its opposite carry on in loud, empty, unproductive, distracting ways.
I keep describing my enjoyment in watching these two as their story being like Game of Thrones but in the modern day and with PR. They are killing it. I loved that Harry was described as a warrior. His Tudor ancestors – DNA which the King does not have – were warriors that seized the throne and kept power, so he’s following in their footsteps beautifully and I wouldn’t be surprised if more Brits start advocating for Good King Harry to take over the whole mess of a monarchy. He would never be interested but imagine what a force for good the monarchy could actually be in his hands.
Harry and Meghan are on fire! At the risk of being crass, I would love to know how much money our beloved couple is poised to earn for the Netflix deal and Spare? I hope it is a ton of money, they deserve it for being two wonderful human beings. They should also start a nest egg because they won’t be able to make so much money forever.
OK, the viewership is great, but why aren’t we talking about the way H is utterly mesmerized by M and totally in love!? The way he looks at her when she is talking about their first dance! He is so deeply in love with his gorgeous, charismatic, warm, magical wife! Hot hot hot!
It also sounds like Meghan has a nice singing voice!
Yes, her voice sounded very sweet.
When asked about his list of dream qualities, he pointed to her and said this is it. This is the list. I mean come on, that’s hot and sweet as hell.
The part about Harry’s list made me think of the movie “Mr. Malcom’s List.” LOL.
I watched it and I cried on when he talked about his mom. My mother was a Diana fan. She used to follow all her fashion choices and would try to creat her own. She wanted to name me Diana… Diana died a few months after my mom, and I recalled being so sad because somehow I made the connection between D and my mom.
I was probably the same age as William when my mom died, and its not easy and a pain that doesn’t go away.
When I saw Harry talking about his mom, and M showing her baby D’s picture and telling the baby (not sure if it was Archie or Lili) that that was grandma, I just bursted into tears. I do the same for my kids.
And the way they dated and started to get to know each other!!! That feeling when you know that person is the one!!!
This documentary is just beautiful.
Mina, I’m very sorry about the loss of your mom at such a young age. That was out of the order of life, and loss in that way can cause such deep, complicated grief. Sending hugs.
I’m coming in to say that all the coverage of H&M, Charles, W&K, will continue to increase in 2023.
Later this week, the next episodes on Netflix.
His book releases in January.
Charles’ coronation is May.
The Firm and senior royals will be pushing their PR side 110%.
Because they need to fight their corner to keep their jobs. The BRF employs tons of people, tourism, tabs, SM, PR, lawyers, international paps, etc., etc.
H&M have their contracts and those companies are going to keep their feet on the gas pedal in PR.
IMO, the next 2-4 years are going to be a new level on SM for both sides. The press will continue to stir every thing up.
And then sadly, in a few years Williams kids will be thrown into the mix. Look how W&H were constantly papped when out with Diana.
No matter which “Team” these people are always going to be living in a fishbowl.
The security risk for H&M and their kids is going to be a real concern.
The online hatred is over the top.
When H&M did the walkabout after Liz passed, my first thought was John Lennon.
And it seems every soul who ever worked near Diana has written a book or giving interviews.
Now we are getting the Chef from BP giving his version of how Harry has changed since he knew him as a child. Yes! He is a grown man now.
You know we are going to be getting the W&K show at Xmas as they take the ffk George and kids to church. Those photos keep the Daily Mail in $$.
I watched the first two episodes out of three on Thursday and really enjoyed it. They are such soul mates, it’s just lovely to see. How awesome is Doria?
I do hope they spill a little more tea in the second segment, but that’s up to them.
So much Sussex goodness right now! This, and then “Spare” in a month. I pre-ordered two copies.
Agree. I think the first three were about laying the proper foundation: Harry is fully in love; he has not been in someway stolen from us; he is not being manipulated. They’ve proved the naysayers wrong. I really enjoyed it, learning more about how they got together. I think the second tranche will be more about why they had to get out and what they’re doing now.
I hope I find a love like Harry and Meghan one day!
GOSH; I love how she sings
me too 🌙 moonchild
greetings from Germany :o)
It’s not surprising, I couldn’t wait to watch and although it was a little less exciting than I anticipated, I‘ll definitely watch the second half.
The endless hatred pouring out on Daily Mail for H&M. OMG!
Have ya seen the posts about Treason? Ban them from returning to the UK? Strip their titles, at once! Calls for pelting them with rotten eggs? Dangerous talk, IMO.
They wanted to make a change, it’s their choice. They are speaking about their experiences.
It is so strange to me how some of the public feels as if they personally have been attacked by H&M.
IIRC, Elizabeth and her Father were both reluctant Monarchs. Wallis was known to not want David to abdicate, once he made the announcement they had to marry.
The Queen Mum blamed and hated Wallis because she felt the abdication and her husband being called to be King shortened his life from stress and worry. Elizabeth and Margaret were raised to “Duty” and they were raised in a very Victorian manner in their early life.
If you look at the history of BRF, damn few if any, married for love or even lived happy personal lives.
Look at Dianas brother, Earl of Spencer, how many times has he been divorced? Caroline, Albert and Stephanie of Monaco? Not one of them has a happy marriage.
H&M have a chance to be out of all that, be happy and safe.
Whew, chile Meghan and Prince Harry had a ball. I love their love.
M’s Stalker lied.
I haven’t seen it mentioned yet (maybe I missed it?) but their doc has put waste to PM Stalker’s story that he bought M “2 Dirty Martini’s and then put M in a cab and she went off to her first date with H” narrative.
M said she and H met at 6:00 pm bc she had something to go to at 8:00 pm. And that she rushed to her hotel from Wimbledon to get ready before dashing off to their first date. So PM Stalker lied. And I think M wanted to absolutely put that out there.
I never believed his story, because if it happened, there would be a picture. Imagine if meeting someone you are a fan of (or in Piers’s case, stan), you would take a picture and as we see, Meghan is comfortable with fans taking pictures with her. She wouldn’t say no. So, that’s why his story never made sense.
I wouldn’t believe anything PM says either but you’ve mixed up some things. For their first date she did meet Harry at 6, and that was the story about her side eyeing him being half an hour late. She left after an hour but called him later that evening and asked him to dinner the next night. That was where the story about rushing back from Wimbledon to take a shower comes in, the second night. Harry pointed out she was the one that was late that time, but he didn’t care how late she was, he wanted to see her again…
I love the part where … the documentary barely mentions William and Chucky Cheese and The Fail headline is “Prince Harry declares fresh war on the Royal Family and his father”
The Daily Mail is really going all out with their BS.
I wonder if they have a bullpen full of paid “reporters” sitting and thinking up more and more baloney?
IIRC someone from The National Enquirer years ago publicly said
“We’d go out to lunch, slam down drinks for 2+ hours, make up a bunch of stuff. The more outrageous the better. Lots of fun.”
I can believe that of The Daily Mail for certain.
@HamsterJam, it’s truly surreal watching the UK’s coverage of this
BTW, if you haven’t read it, David Olusoga’s piece in The Guardian is very good. ‘Meghan and Harry’s documentary has hit the raw nerve of tabloid prejudice’, 10 December 2022
Thank you Nota, off to find it now!
Just a reminder that you can boost viewership numbers by leaving a show running in the background with the sound down as you go about your day.
I have now watched H&M.
I came to say Elon John with H&M at wedding dance made me cry.
OMG! Diana and Elton were good friends and he did such a beautiful song for her “Goodbye, Englands Rose” and to see him so happy to see Harry happy.
I hope Elton keeps in touch with H&M IRL.
Dammit , Charles and The Firm were so cruel to Diana.
KP really works 150% to try to erase that history, don’t they?
I’ve got news for them, there is an entire generation who will never forget how Diana was treated.
Charles and Camilla are vile people. Down with the Monarchy.
I think my favourite moronic take on this from the tabloids is that they’re lying because the documentary content released by H and M is inconsistent with the unsourced made-up bullshit released by various ‘experts’.
That is hilarious!
@SenseOfTheAbsurd, your username says it all. What on EARTH even is that “logic” 🤯
Getting Netflix later this month – I’m going to have to check this out. That and The IT Crowd : )
Meghan said she went from Wimbledon to her hotel to shower and then straight to the club to meet Harry. But hasn’t Piss Morgan insisted that Meghan had drinks with him and then she went to meet Harry? So Piss lied.
Pissy Pants Piers, lie?! *gasp* I never would have guessed!
But of course Piss Moron lied. His lust for Meghan – followed by his shattered ego at her rejection – has fueled Moron’s relentless abuse of Meghan & Harry.
Is that Mike Tindall dancing?!
I’ve always rooted for them, and I don’t necessarily root against the “Wales” couple. I’m about the same age as the brothers and American, so when they’d land the cover of my usual magazines as a teen I’d read about them. William was the ‘one to like’, if you will. But I had approximately the same feelings for both of them. If anything, I had more feelings for their mom. That was a whole era for some of us…. she was killed, Mother Theresa died, Titanic was out.. women’s lives, women’s feelings were the focus and with reverence. That the boys grew up to be at such odds over such surprising differences is a shame. Anyone with heart and intelligence can see the same in Harry and Meghan. Do we really want less from our men? Do we really want William style rage, prejudice, and entitlement? Harry, F* the Press. We all love you and appreciate your choices and leadership in this era.
My idea of as it relates to Harry Meghan-a line should be drawn in the sand-1. using camera and flashing spot lights into a rented vacation spot Harry had gotten after their marriage-2. sending drones near their rental at Tyler Perry’s to spy on them-3. following Meghan and Archie to Canada to to take pictures of them and the house they were renting4.demanding Harry and Meghan show Archie on the same day as his birth and got downright ugly with them after they said give us a few days and we will show pictures in a manner of our own choosing-5 strangers being able to literally walk up to Frogmore cottage and look in their home-a lady said she looked into their kitchen-coming on their property while they are there with their son-6-paying a neighbor of Meghan’s in Canada to use their backyard to set up cameras and flood lights-7–following Meghan’s mother around and looking in her garabage-8 some man has been staking out their Montecito manson waiting to do God’s knows what-9-paying a colleague to lie and say he slept with Meghan which said he could not do to hurt someone he really liked10-calling Meghan and Harry’s newborn son a monkey because they refused to show him on the hospital steps- there many more things the media of the UK mainly has done which is out of bounds and overboard as far as the Sussexes privacy-this personal privacy up close to them personally that they want to draw a line under-this does not mean they want talk or interact with the media from time to time but probably won’t with the UK media and the royal rota. They have every damn right to tell their own story in a fashion that they feel is better for them. God bless and keep the Sussex family safe.
I feel blessed to have caught these first three episodes and look forward to seeing the rest soon. One might easily be persuaded that they truly love and honor each other! I’m a believer! It breaks my heart that she was advised to disinvite her lovely niece to her wedding. Her presence would have meant so much. I’m stuck on how sad it must have made all three of them.
M’s dad is a real POS. Her half-sister, I think, has been working with half a pack of Barbie-sized crayons for a long stretch and may have little control over herself due to her illnesses. I remember when I first heard about H&M and some tv program was interviewing people who knew her ‘when’. They spoke to her dad’s ex-wife. She was saying how sweet M was. For no obvious reason that little interview is how I decided that M really was a sweet lady. The ex could have piled on but she didn’t. I presume they offered her the same obscene money they offered other family members. You don’t hear anything from the people who turned down the bribes. I was confused about the royal experts. Who pays these people? It almost seems like H was implying that they worked for the family but that didn’t seem right to me.