King Charles didn’t invite most of the non-royal dukes to the coronation

Every few weeks, we’ve been getting these stories and they’re one of my favorite things of the year: British aristocrats are super-salty about not being invited to King Charles’s coronation. The Earl of Fancybreeches and the Duke of Trousersnape have truly been sending strongly-worded parchments to the palace, demanding their Chubbly invite posthaste. They’re throwing tantrums about it in the media, they’re inundating the Duke of Norfolk with rage-emails and irate phone calls. It’s glorious, but it does beg the question: why didn’t Charles prioritize the aristocracy for invites? There’s a lot of talk about fewer seats, but that hasn’t stopped Charles from inviting foreign heads of state and Camilla’s entire f–king extended family? Surely Lord Toadscrotum is *as* important?? Well, interestingly enough, it looks like the king massively snubbed all of the “grandest aristocrats” – most of the 24 non-royal dukes.

The Coronation, now just three weeks away, will be seen by many as a display of splendid pageantry and tradition – and by critics as a blast of flummery and fanfare. But, to King Charles, it evidently represents a unique chance to begin a new era – one quite distinct from that of his late mother, Queen Elizabeth. Nowhere, I can reveal, will this be more starkly apparent than in the exclusion from the service in Westminster Abbey of most of the grandest aristocrats in the land, along with almost all their fellow hereditary peers. Even most of the 24 non-royal dukes – the most senior rank in the peerage – are not exempt from the cull, despite the fact that one of their number, the Duke of Norfolk, is orchestrating every detail of the Coronation in his role as Earl Marshal.

The Duke of Rutland, who lives in one wing of his 365-room family seat, Belvoir Castle in Leicestershire, while his wife, Emma, lives in another, is one of the many dismayed and bewildered by their exclusion. ‘I have not been asked,’ he tells me, saying that he does ‘not really understand’ why. ‘It has been families like mine that have supported the Royal Family over 1,000 years or thereabouts,’ adds the Duke, who has two sons and three lively daughters, Lady Violet, Lady Alice and Lady Eliza Manners.

But not only did peers attend coronations, they were required to ‘give the kiss of homage and touch the Crown’ – a vestige of feudal allegiance to the monarch, for whom, it was implied, they would fight and, if necessary, die on the field of battle. At Queen Elizabeth’s coronation, a royal duke, Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, took off his coronet, ascended the steps of the throne, knelt before the Queen, placed his hands between hers and ‘pronounced his words of homage’. He was followed by two more royal dukes, the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent.

Then it was the turn of the senior peer of each ‘degree’ – the duke, marquess, earl, viscount and baron with the oldest titles. As they ‘paid homage in like manner’, their fellow peers of the respective ‘degree’, knelt in their places in the Abbey, removed their coronets, and also said their words of homage. A Buckingham Palace spokesman declines to comment, but a royal source insists that ‘a good representation of non-royal dukes will be in attendance’.

The Duke of Rutland will presumably console himself at Belvoir, where a collection of his family’s coronation robes is on display. Perhaps the disappointment will be even more acute for the Duke of Somerset. ‘He was sprucing up the family state coach,’ a chum tells me, adding that the Duke had entertained the idea of arriving in the Abbey in it. ‘He thought he might be invited, even if not all the dukes were, because his is the second oldest dukedom after Norfolk’s.’ Alas, it appears that the Duke of Somerset, whose title was created in 1547, is among those who have been discarded. After explaining to me a few weeks ago that he didn’t want to comment at ‘this stage’, he now declines to say anything at all.

Perhaps he should perk himself up by having a word with Robin Devereux, 19th Viscount Hereford, who, as premier viscount, might have expected to ‘pay homage’ on behalf of his fellow viscounts. He, too, declines to comment, but has, apparently, taken his exclusion in good heart. ‘He says he’s still waiting for his invitation,’ I’m told. ‘But he’s not upset about it. He knows that this is a new era.’

[From The Daily Mail]

On one side, I actually feel bad for these victims of a very shallow gene pool – they’ve lived their entire lives believing that they are important because of their fancy titles, that they are necessary to the functioning of the British social order, that they must pledge themselves to the king. Only for the king to tell them “don’t come, you’re not important.” Don’t you understand how poignant it is that the Duke of Somerset was sprucing up his state coach?!? On the other side, these people are absurd and this way of life cannot continue, holy smokes. I am stuck on the fact that Charles really does seem to not be afraid of aristo backlash early in his reign. I wonder if that’s a mistake?

PS… It also feels notable that Charles is snubbing all of these “important” non-royal dukes, all while he cozies up the Marquess of Cholmondeley, David Rocksavage. A “marquess” isn’t as important as a duke, and yet Charles has made a point of including David and Rose’s son as a page and appointing David as his Lord-in-Waiting. Curious.

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  1. Harla A Brazen Hussy says:

    Ah yes, piss off the families that have supported the monarchy for centuries, what could possibly go wrong? I wonder if the Duke of Westminister has received an invite? If not, no more free private jet flights for Wills, hehehehe.

    • Becks1 says:

      I notice they did not mention whether or not he was invited!

      I mean, I don’t really feel bad for these people but at the same time – isn’t this one of the perks of the aristocracy? That they get to attend big fancy events like this that the mere peasants dont? So I can see how some might be miffed if they were waiting for an invite and thought they deserved one.

      • HennyO says:

        He will invite the disinvited aristos at the gardenparty on May 4tn, to make up for some of these uninvites. That will please some of them, somehow.

      • TheFarmer'sWife says:

        “The Duke of Rutland, who lives in one wing of his 365-room family seat, Belvoir Castle in Leicestershire, while his wife, Emma, lives in another, is one of the many dismayed and bewildered by their exclusion. ‘I have not been asked,’ he tells me, saying that he does ‘not really understand’ why. ‘It has been families like mine that have supported the Royal Family over 1,000 years or thereabouts,’ adds the Duke, who has two sons and three lively daughters, Lady Violet, Lady Alice and Lady Eliza Manners.”

        What is this drivel? It reads like a “frightfully awful” attempt at an Edwardian murder mystery novel! The Duke lives in one castle wing; the Duchess lives in another. Did one of their two dull sons kill the Duke in the third library with the second-best candlestick, or was it one of his “three lively daughters?” My money is on Lady Alice, the middle child is “oft overlooked.”

    • Moxylady says:

      Frankly it’s incredibly rude. Aside from the sheer ridiculousness of this entire affair and of hereditary titles – he’s sitting on a branch and sawing it off the tree.
      Who the f is he saving those seats for? The UK is completely insular now. They left the EU. (Or are trying). They don’t interact with main land European royalty. And now he’s actively snubbing the oldest english peers? The land owners, the ones with vast estates etc?
      Is he this dense that he’s undermining the titles and heredity that goes along with them and thinks nothing of it? That’s his entire basis for wearing a fancy hat and showing up places to demand people respect him and defer to him!
      Is he trying to ruin the monarchy so William can’t have it?
      Did these dukes do something in the past 73 years that he noted as a slight in his little book of grievances?
      Or most likely – did he fill the place with people who bought their seats?

      • Harla A Brazen Hussy says:

        Considering that there are only 24 non-royal dukes, which would mean seats for 48 people, as you said, who’s Charles saving those seats for? Middle Eastern royals? Russian oligarchs? Or whoever is currently giving him the largest bags of cash?

      • AmelieOriginal says:

        I don’t find it rude at all, I just find these people entitled and ridiculous to think that they should expect an invite just because they’re aristocratic. They just got lucky that their ancestor had some kind of peerage position created by some long dead king and they’ve been able to inherit and benefit and profit from that title ever since just due to chance of birth. This won’t be the lightbulb moment though for them to realize the uselessness of a monarch because if they were to call for the monarchy to be dismantled, then the peerage system would also come under scrutiny too and they’d lose all their fancy castles and vast estates.

      • BW says:

        Oh, the Chumley’s (how Cholmondeley is actually pronounced) have definitely slept with Will or Charles. Whether it was David Rocksavage (another ridiculous name) or Rose, I’m not sure, but at least one of them has receipts that Charles doesn’t want exhibited.

        And Belvoir is pronounced Beaver. I snort laugh every time I read it.

        And “lively daughters?” As compared to “deadly daughters?”

        And like the Brazen Hussy said, it’s only 24 dukes, which means 48 seats. That’s like nothing compared with how many seats are available. But the Palace made a fuss over the 1 or 2 seats the Sussexes needed, like that was going to throw off the entire seating chart. Ridiculous.

      • C says:

        “I just find these people entitled and ridiculous to think that they should expect an invite just because they’re aristocratic. ”

        How is it any more entitled and ridiculous than the coronation itself? And some of these people are of families with more ancient lineage than Charles frankly, for whatever that’s worth in the conversation.

        Anyway, during Cromwell’s Commonwealth they had no king and still had the peerage. It’s possible.

      • theRobinsons says:

        I don’t think KC3 cares if the Monarchy carries on after he gone. He has no real love for his sons, nor their children. And as far as inviting Rose’s husband over the Dukes, KC3 wants Willie to look just as shameless, when he helps Willie kick Kate to the curb and he can get some shade for his
        mistress Queen.

      • EBS says:

        “Lively daughters” is code for party girls. The Manners sisters are fairly notorious for having very few manners.

      • JaneBee says:

        @EBS Just FYI – This Duke is a dip shit. He married his wife, Emma, an actress and commoner against his family’s wishes, then cheated on her repeatedly. However, she refused to leave, now oversees the estate, and has had a live in lover in her wing. They have three incredibly snobby, party girl daughters.

        The Duchess and daughters have all shaded Meghan and Harry – some quite blatantly on Insta. They are very unpleasant.

        I love this for them. They must all be *super* pissed off.

      • EBS says:

        Yes, that’s what i said.

    • Jojo says:

      Well I think…. actually on reflection I don’t care enough to think anything about this tbh 😂.

    • Concern Fae says:

      Charles seems to think he can make himself a world leader by inviting heads of state. He’s forgetting that any power that he has comes from being King of England. There’s a reason the coronation has always centered on the nobles swearing fealty to the King, not foreigners acknowledging him.

      He’s in for a rocky reign.

      • Eating Popcorn says:

        You make an excellent point Concern Fae, as much as KCIII fancies himself a world leader, he is not.

      • Prairiegirl says:

        Concern Fae: nailed it.

      • Yesgirl says:

        This is why Charles desperately needed Harry there. Harry was able to achieve global appeal even before Meghan. I do feel Will and Charles are so effing jealous that H&M just burst their bubble that they already were globally like & respected. Will and Charles were more known then looked at as respected leaders on the global stage. Charles knows Will will never achieve this for Charles to piggy back off it. Will knows he lost Harry to piggy back of him too. That is where all the incandescence is from. Kate tried and hilariously failed to position herself and savior or the monarchy and has been side lined and back to being the scapegoat in the most awesome way. I feel now that the initial closeness W&K had over leaking against H&M has worn off and Cam came in for the kill. “you know Will, if they accept me as Queen and you no longer want to be with Kate well…you have our support, in the dark or light. Do I have yours? ” Kate really thought pushing Meg out would make Cam look like the ghoul and all it did was maker her Cam target again. I expect leaks of Kate all over the place going forward, Will going rose trimming and Charles “making a mends” with Harry. Not because he is a good father but I think he opened his eyes to how useless the Cambridge’s are for his goals. He took Will’s side for so long and now he shut him down big time. Cam and Harry are so far winning Game of Thrones. Cam thwarted all of them and Harry is protecting what is rightfully his and his family’s position. Showing up was not a mistake but a display of Harry’s deep importance to the King… the King not his father so that we are clear.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ Concern Fae, he does seem to have this wild delusion that he is a “world leader” when he is simply a man that is becoming the Head of State. KFC has no wielding power over the Tory’s, he is simply allowed to tweak the laws and regulations for himself and the Monarchy. It gives the Tory’s the position to stay in power as they happily do his bidding.

      • Lace says:

        KCIII is making his coronation smaller, less people and shorter, to save money. As one who will be watching from the distance, I agree.
        Let’s get the show on the road. It will be so colorful. I love the pageantry, and look forward to seeing what the ladies will be wearing!

    • Alice says:

      Yup. Charles should revisit his own kingdom’s history. There’s no shortage of examples what happens when the peers dislike the king, from baron wars to duke empowering and rulership at the expense of the crown.

  2. Jais says:

    Hmm, wonder if this will cause all the uninvited aristocrats to start spilling all the dirty secrets they know about the current Windsors. And yeah, curious that a marquess is included over these dukes. I’ve legitimately wondered if there is any chance that Cam and Rose are friendly. Her brother is close with Camilla’s son.

    • Scooby Gang says:

      @Jais, I immediately wondered something similar. Is C intentionally attempting to sabotage W and K by angering the aristocrats and causing a rift? Start spilling those secrets, Lord Toadscrotum!

    • Rackel says:

      Wouldn’t that be terrible Jais. That charles is picking people based on who will tolerate camilla.

      If she is still unpopular in a few years all his work will be for nothing. We are watching history.

      • Ameerah M says:

        She’s been unpopular for over 30 years. That ship has sailed. They just both refuse to accept it.

      • Rackel says:

        At ameerah. The coronation is suppose to be the testiment to charles fitness to be king. Can he get people to accept camilla. – He doesnt realize the ship sailed in the 90s when camilla tried to duplicate diana’s revenge dress. AND FAILED.
        Chuck thinks he can rewrite history. If he wouldve kept camilla “princess consort” his chubbly would be somewhat successful. As it stands the only people working are family.

      • C says:

        I’m with Ameerah. He doesn’t care. Why should he? There’s nothing anybody can do about it as long as they still support a monarchy. And I don’t think Princess Consort would really make anyone care about this more.

    • Christine says:

      Legitimately, the Windsors have zero strategic brain cells, among all of them.

      If Willnot bumbles his way to a coronation, will all of the seats be reserved for the British media?

  3. Miranda says:

    This is all so very, very ridiculous. Grown-ass men, some of whom have presumably been looking forward to this for decades while doing precious little else to make themselves useful. And they don’t even have the decency to be embarrassed by their uselessness.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @ Miranda, it is quite a spectacle to see. All of these aristocrats clutching their pearls as they all mutter of the sheer audacity that KFC has thrown them into the heap of undeserved and undesirable to boot! All that shining of carriages and sprucing of castles only to be replaced by world leaders. The nerve!!

    • Yesgirl says:

      Well that is why the monarchy is an old relic that doesn’t make sense anymore. These families were protectors of the realm. Back in the day if they had to go to war or defend the kingdom these families could force the farmers and anyone living on their estates to fight as well as money to fund it. The king had power and having those titles use to mean something, they go from son to son and they are suppose to give them alliance to the king. The king doesn’t have that much power anymore, the title are now symbolic of ancestry and legacy of aristocratic families that goes back 1000 years. Now Charles is shooting himself in the foot again and again. He should have protected the idea of hereditary power but instead is propping himself up and weakening the idea of what royal and noble bloodlines actually mean. This is suppose to be a display of England and the power and continuity of England. If he takes H&M title even the HRH, gives Edward a dukedom that only last his lifetime and tried to deny Archie and Lilli’s titles, then it makes it all meaningless. It’s all a birthright but Charles want to wield it to consolidate and power to the line of succession and that is stupid because those people are suppose to already have titles. So I think he is trying to “erase” royals from history that he doesn’t like or dont fit his vision of him as King. He lost the plot. The other titles are to be giving to allies and they cant be taken, changed or striped EVER.

      • JanetDR says:

        That’s my take as well. If your life is all about inherited power, why would you not play that aspect up?
        And in my head , I clearly have a vision of impoverished nobles, rummaging through chests in the attic , selling off some silver for expenses, repairing moth eaten coronation robes, shining up coronets, and repairing the old stage coach so they can make a good showing for the big event, and they are not even invited?! I feel sad for them even if I made it all up!

      • Alice says:

        Kings have been target of peers’ anger, disempowered and even executed when playing against the peers. Being titled peer does not equate allegiance. In real life.

  4. equality says:

    If I had to kneel down to C&C, I’d be happy to give it a miss. The aristos won’t turn on the monarchy, because that would make their titles of less worth. To stay relevant and not be voted out in a referendum, the monarchy has to appeal to the “commoners”. It would make more sense to invite people who are part of his kingdom though instead of so many other monarchs and world leaders who have nothing to do with the Commonwealth.

    • Rackel says:

      Your answer is the modern answer. Chuck isnt taking into account how fractured britain is. If this was happening in the 90s world leaders would be fine. Instead its 2023 and most countries dont even want their leaders. Then you have britain being so unpopular. They just had boris johnson being nasty. Now sunak wife is looking at an inquiry for taxes. Even the celebrities are unpopular. He needs a mix of people. Invite some librarians.

    • CC says:

      Considering the average age of the aristocracy, if these people had to kneel in homage only a few of them would be able to get back up again.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      I thought I saw a head line that members of the NHS and come other entity had been invited. I’m not interested in the Clowning, so I didn’t bother to read it. It’s possible they were talking about the concert.

      • Renae says:

        I believe those invited from NHS etc are to be on bleachers in some viewing area outside (either the castle or the Abbey).

    • Alice says:

      Titled peers have turned on the crown more than once in the history of the institution. This does nothing against their titles but has resulted in more than one crown getting wobbly. The peers hold power the crown alone does not have. They don’t depend on the crown, the opposite is true.

  5. OriginalLala says:

    I don’t know where Chuckles is going with this decision – the titled peers in the aristocracy are big supporters of the monarchy and prop up the whole fackakta system. Considering how little support he has elsewhere, why alienate your built-in support system?

    • Rackel says:

      Because no one cares about those dukes and the dukes that people care about dont socialize with the windsors.

  6. Rackel says:

    This site picks the best pictures. You have stolen the crown.

    I guess this free’s up william to reach out during his rain. He will need all the help he can get. Maybe chuck is being charitible.

    I believe chuck isnt inviting them because they arent doing anything and he wants interesting people. Not people that are soley living on name or nepotism. Which is why he wanted megan to stay an actress. Then we have the worthwile dukes probably not wanting to work for camilla.

    I see him including chmoledlay because he is a sasson and FILTHY rich. I wonder do sassons still take a paycheck or do they live off trusts.

    • Pumpkin says:

      I don’t know his reasons but I doubt “not interesting” and “lazy” are even on the top 10 reasons for the non invite. I really don’t think he cares about that.

      And he wanted Meghan working because he didn’t want to pay for the biracial woman. That’s it. It’s not because he appreciates that she’s a hard worker or whatever and should keep acting.

    • Ameerah M says:

      He wanted Meghan to stay an actress because he didn’t want to pay for her. Harry literally said this in SPare. Had nothing to do with him wanting her to be “interesting”. She was a 30-something educated woman. Her job isn’t what made her interesting. He just didn’t want to pay for the Black woman.

    • Rackel says:

      You guys are misunderstanding me. Charles wants to be in the thick of things. He wants to be in think tanks and all that. He wants to use the chubbly to invite popular people. Just like he wanted meg to bring popular people around. Why do you think the queen and charles talked harry into that large wedding. They wanted the fuss and new people. In that regard if chuck cant get new people for the chubbly then he will invite the old guard.
      Charles has been trying to get into world mattets and parliment for decades. Most people dont know about this campaign. He has written “early years” think pieces and everything. Parliment told him to back off.

      • Ameerah M says:

        So why even mention Meghan and correlate his wanting her to still work to his wanting to be in the “thick of things”. Because those two things have nothing to do with each other.

      • AmB says:

        So … you’re saying that, at heart, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family is a bunch of insecure social climbers who just want to play with the cool kids?

        Yeah, that fits.

      • Eurydice says:

        Sure, he’s wanted to be hip in his uncomfortably, tragically un-hip way and it seems the whole RF have been secretly fascinated by Meghan’s Hollywood connections. But, if being in the thick of things is his goal, then he can’t just wait for the gods to pick him up and place him there – he has to actually do the work and show respect. Quite the opposite happened with Meghan – so maybe he didn’t want that goal as much as he wanted to get rid of Meghan.

  7. Snuffles says:

    Willing to bet that Charles has grudges against these 24 dukes for past slights against him or Camila.

    • Mary says:

      💯

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @ Snuffles, you are on the right track….. Notes were taken as to who, what and the extent to which those opinions were shared. My gawd, how thick and heavy his book of petty must be. More than 50 years of slights that have taken place over the decades and these slights have consequences, to him and Cruella.

      • Christine says:

        I really can’t wait to see how these dukes respond. This entire system is collapsing, from the inside, out.

    • kirk says:

      According to Wikipedia, 6 non-royal dukedoms were created for illegitimate children of Chuck 2: Monmouth (1663, beheaded), Southampton (1675, no successor), Grafton (1675), Richmond and Lennox (1675), Northumberland (1683, recreated 2x after), and St. Albans (1684).

      BTW Chuck 3 (T’ird) w/b crowned with the St Edwards Crown, created for Chuck 2 after he returned from exile. Recall that Chuck 2 is dude who chartered the Royal African Company that held a monopoly on slaving in West Africa protected by the British troops.
      What illustrious lineage!
      So colorful!
      Such pageantry!

  8. Amy Bee says:

    The aristos are paying the price for Charles’ desire to have world leaders and foreign royals there instead.

  9. Jay says:

    The tragicomedy of “He was sprucing up the family state coach” and “He thought he might be invited, even if not all the dukes were, because his is the second oldest dukedom” is perfectly balanced. Sad, but ridiculous.

    It is interesting that Charles thinks he can do without the older aristocrats – wouldn’t they know where the bodies are buried? Or maybe just a few of them?

    • Lucy says:

      I laughed out loud at the name Miss Eliza Manners. Sounds like a Jane Austen novel.

      • JaneBee says:

        The Manners ‘girls’ are snobby socialite cows, who regularly throw shade at H&M.

    • Christine says:

      My best guess is Chuck knows his life isn’t going to be long enough to worry about how the dukes respond. He’s thrown a tantrum, on Cam’s behalf, and it’s not his problem how it plays out.

  10. HennyO says:

    He’s putting a commoner with him on the throne, so she might have convinced him that those aristos, who’ve been making fun of her all these years (tampongate, homewrecker) , can be snubbed.

    In due course, Charles and the British monarchy are about to hear a lot from the snubbed aristos and his subjects, who’re demanding to abolish the monarchy.

  11. Apparently if you haven’t slept with or maybe had a child with you are not invited. Remember it’s all about family 😉

    • BW says:

      Oh, the Chumley’s (how Cholmondeley is actually pronounced) have definitely slept with someone. Whether it was David Rocksavage (another ridiculous name) or Rose, I’m not sure, but at least one of them has receipts that Charles doesn’t want exhibited.

      And Belvoir is pronounced Beaver. I snort laugh every time I read it.

      And “lively daughters?” As compared to “deadly daughters?”

  12. aquarius64 says:

    These aristos are pissed they were not invited, especially if this is centuries old tradition. As for the Cholmondeley family getting a spot in the coronation, and with Rocksavage becoming Lord in Waiting for the King, you bet the toffs are gossiping about how they got them: David laid down his wife Rose for the Crown. It’s tradition noble families offer up their female family members to the monarchy or the heir for advancement. The karma is Kate the commoner (trust and believe this crowd looks down on Waity and her family despite her being queen Consort in waiting) will have to accept sidechicks if she wants to keep her place. That might be shaky given the financial situation in House Middleton. If a divorce comes the Middletons social standing will plummet.

    • Jais says:

      Does the lord in waiting for the king position that chomley got come with a salary? Or is just a prestige thing? I genuinely don’t know.

  13. Flowerlake says:

    Now that is a mistake.

  14. Brassy Rebel says:

    Apparently, the Duke of Rutland’s three daughters are “lively” but not his two sons. Worrisome. 🤔

    • Soapboxpudding says:

      His daughters are known as the “Bad Manners” sisters. The Duke of Rutland is a UKIP supporter and the whole family is racist trash.

      • Glamarazzi says:

        That’s disappointing to hear. I’ve always had a fondness for Rutland since that’s where The Rutles are from. 😉

      • BQM says:

        From the 5th Duke on, the extended family was filled with accomplished, colorful characters. Romance, tragedy, poetry, infidelity. It was all there.

        But, yeah, the current Duke and his family? 👎👎 Trashy and unaccomplished.

    • The Fifth Element says:

      Lol

    • BeanieBean says:

      I wondered about that myself! Didn’t even bother to name the sons, the oldest of which inherits the lot, too! No matter, they’re not lively like those daughters!

    • BW says:

      I read “lively” but I wondered if they meant “deadly.”

    • kirk says:

      Wasn’t it Archie Manners and his friend who pranked Vicky & Dick Arbiter, Richard Fitzwilliams and Ingrid Seward into giving their thoughts on the M-H Oprah interview before it aired? Sounds like Archie Manners is plenty lively, but still fitting within social norms. Archie is a descendant of Duke of Rutland, but not sure how distant or where he fits in succession.

  15. Maeve says:

    This is because the hereditary peers no longer have a constitutional role in the Governance of the UK – it used to be they were all automatically entitled to a seat in the House of Lords and hence had influence on the legislative process. Most hereditary peerages no longer have this right. (There are still some hereditaries in the Lords but they are elected by their peers.) The history of the role of the nobility in the coronation is here; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e6_Ktg3X4Io

    The nobility who are involved in the coronation are the ones who are part of the royal household, hence the Cholmondley involvement. The Duke of Rutland doesn’t have a household post so he doesn’t get to go. (Also, if you want some real ducal tea, google the Duke of Manchester…bigamist, fraudster and jailbird! Don’t think he’ll be there either!)

    • Pumpkin says:

      IIRC, the Chumleys no longer have a role in the royal household. The role of the Lord Great Chamberlain is split between two families and they alternate having the role for each monarch. So it was David when Elizabeth was on the throne, it’s the other family while Charles is on it and then it’ll go back to David or his son when William is on it.

      But if they have another role I have missed, feel free to correct me.

      • Elizabeth says:

        David Rocksavage has been appointed a Lord-in-Waiting by KCIII, so yes, he does have a role in the royal household.

      • Pumpkin says:

        @Elizabeth: Ah right! I completely forgot I’m not following royal gossip like I used to. Thanks!

      • Renae says:

        Rocksavage sounds like something out of the Flintstones.

  16. Shawna says:

    So dumb of Charles. He does need their support.

  17. salmonpuff says:

    I loved all the little details sprinkled throughout this article — the sprucing of the coach, the duke and duchess living in separate wings of the castle. Priceless.

    I understand that Charles thinks it looks more “modern monarchy” to invite actual world leaders and important people while leaving out the useless gentry. But that ignores the screaming fact that monarchy can never be modern. This is a weird, archaic British ceremony and should include all the weird, archaic British gentry, not the rest of us. Have your pomp, dudes. Just don’t believe it’s important to the rest of us.

    • Nick G says:

      @Salmonpuff it is a wonderful article, even though its from the DM. The coach, the three daughters, the outrage et al brings to mind the illustrations of a children’s picture book, told in rhyme.
      Or a Gilbert and Sullivan musical. Y’all, forget the next 20 tell it all biographies coming out… KC’s story needs to be told as a comic opera. Starring Camilla, of course.

  18. Fancyhat says:

    This feels like more score settling and pettiness from Charles. He’s been building a list of those who wronged him for decades and it’s payback time

  19. Rackel says:

    Looking at these pictures, i feel confident that i can pick out when charles is drunk. Those pictures of him in a feather cap are pictures of a drunk man having a blast. If i was at that event and a royalist would i think its funny or would i be offended.

    Camilla gets drunk more then he does.
    She seems like a sleepy sloppy drunk. Charles is a laughing drunk. William has different moods and i cant pin them.

  20. Jill says:

    That entire excerpt made me laugh so hard!! Thanks for making my day!

  21. Elizabeth says:

    The only Duke the royal family seems to spend time with, apart from the Duke of Norfolk because he’s the Earl Marshal, is the Duke of Westminster, who is stinking rich and owns huge pieces of Belgravia and Mayfair. The previous Duke’s wife was one of Prince William’s godfathers. The American Embassy used to be located in Belgravia, and it was the only embassy where the US didn’t own the land. They’ve since opened a new Embassy in Vauxhall. It will be interesting to see if the Marquess and Marchioness of Bath are invited because the Marchioness is black.

    • Marie says:

      The Duke of Westminster is also Godson of KCIII

    • BQM says:

      The current Duke is one of George’s godfathers. The family is distantly related, on the maternal side, through both Philip and queen Mary.

      Plus various members have been amongst the closest friends of Philip and Elizabeth.

  22. Renae says:

    The picture of C & C in the garter robes is a hoot. Looks like 2 wizards out for a stroll….perhaps Cam is a witch and they are going out in the woods to fire up a cauldron.

  23. Angie says:

    This is so funny that they are clamoring for an invite and an American daughter-in-law said no she’s can’t come because she has a four year-old birthday party to put on.. LOL Some of them would give their left arm to attend.

    • Mary Pester says:

      Oh dear, so many breeches in so many twists, so many pearls being clasped to heaving bosoms, I though Barbara Cartland was dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣christ almighty it’s going to get very, VERY interesting after the clowning. Skeletons will start to rattle those closets open and pop out. Charles is an idiot, he caress bout RICH influential heads of state, he wants them to prop up the failing monarchy, but they won’t, they will be there for the day and NO LONGER

      • Angie says:

        Even his own son isn’t staying around. I am surprised some of those Heads of state are coming since the President isn’t. I guess than can cozy up to Jill Biden instead.🤣

  24. KimmyChoo says:

    I initially read that as “Duke of Trousersnake” and damn near spit out my coffee!

  25. L4Frimaire says:

    This guy is snubbing the allies who could potentially support his reign. These people are the structure their class system and many are older than the House of Windsor, and as conservative and backwards as the royals. Whatever, seeing the way Charles treats his own son, not surprised. It’s all so silly.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      I think it’s absolutely delicious that KFC is snubbing all of these aristos, and the ilk. KFC is supplying them with the nails for his coffin as they revoke their support and will make certain that he pays dearly for his blatant snubbing. Could not have happened to a more deserving narcissistic, egotistical, racist and manipulative “man”. May they all join nails for a party of their own!!

  26. Over it says:

    If there is room for the middlebums at the hat party, then there is certainly room for duke Beavertooth and earl Comegetme

  27. Flower says:

    Given the whole cost of this clown show, this is a TERRIBLE move.

    I wonder how long the Monarchists will keep tolerating Chuckles before they turn on him.

    A part of getting support from people like this, is allowing them to think that they’ll eventually get their cut of the pie.

  28. Judy says:

    Why are they not providing community broadcasts sponsored by the non royal peers? INCLUSIVITY is not just a word, but an action. The means and wealth is there to support

  29. Paisley25 says:

    If anyone is interested in the Dukes of Rutland, I recommend Catherine Bailey’s Secret Rooms. She had access to the family’s collection of historical letters, but three time gaps led to her research on what a family member was trying to hide. She also wrote Black Diamonds about the Earls Fitzwiiliam and how petty spite ended their family line.

  30. HK9 says:

    This is a huge mistake but it seems in line with the decisions his court makes. He’s pissed off the people who know their secrets and I’m here it.

  31. Sherri says:

    ” and yet Charles has made a point of including David and Rose’s son as a page”
    Gotta get on the same page so when Willy dumps Kate for Rose, he’s already in with the step-grandkids.

  32. Jensies says:

    I don’t care about any of this but this is the best paragraph I’ve read in my life:
    The Duke of Rutland, who lives in one wing of his 365-room family seat, Belvoir Castle in Leicestershire, while his wife, Emma, lives in another, is one of the many dismayed and bewildered by their exclusion. ‘I have not been asked,’ he tells me, saying that he does ‘not really understand’ why. ‘It has been families like mine that have supported the Royal Family over 1,000 years or thereabouts,’ adds the Duke, who has two sons and three lively daughters, Lady Violet, Lady Alice and Lady Eliza Manners.

    I cannot believe that’s not from the Onion.

  33. Marie says:

    Is there already an official guest list for the coronation? where to consult it? It’s going to be a bit boring to watch strangers from all over the world parade by and not see the dukes and marquises pay homage to the king.