Some Sussex Squaders think Prince Harry “got played” by his family yet again, but I’m not so sure. Prince Harry flew overnight, catching a flight out of LAX on Monday and arriving at Heathrow mid-day on Tuesday. Over the course of about 24 hours, the British media went into speculation overdrive, amplifying narratives about reconciliations and more. Then Harry and his father only met for less than an hour at Clarence House before Charles got the hell out of there and choppered to Norfolk. Hilariously, the royal reporters were super-mad that they couldn’t track Harry’s movements past Clarence House, and there was even some suggestion that he might have been driven to Sandringham too. He was not. According to the Mail, Harry spent Tuesday night in a hotel, and he’s likely flying back to California today. Good.
Prince Harry ‘would have gladly accepted’ a reunion with his brother William but instead has ‘spent a night in a London hotel’, it has been claimed. Although Harry and the Prince of Wales have no plans to meet during the Duke’s stay, it is understood mutual friend Mark Dyer – who was a mentor to the princes after the death of Diana – could act as bridge between the siblings, according to a source.
The Duke of Sussex flew more than 5,000 miles yesterday from his home in California to London for what ended up being a 45-minute meeting with his cancer-stricken father King Charles.
Harry did not spend the night in any royal residence, with him being effectively homeless on UK soil since his eviction from Frogmore Cottage last year, and it is thought he may have instead stayed in a luxury hotel. He is not expected to stay in London for long and is set to return to his Montecito home in Los Angeles that he shares with his wife Meghan Markle and two children, Archie, four, and Lilibet, two, following his whistle-stop visit.
The Duke is expected to join Meghan in Canada next week for an event to commemorate a year until the Invictus Games in Vancouver and Whistler.
A source told The Times former Welsh Guards officer Mr Dyer, who recently recovered from stomach cancer, has been offering Harry support in recent years. ‘Mark can always be relied upon to talk sense into Harry and will be a stoic under-the-radar support for Harry in what has the propensity to be a stress-inducing time for him, the source said.
This is not Harry getting played, I’ll say it again – Harry made this journey for himself, because he’s a loving son who wanted to see his dad after Charles’s cancer diagnosis. Charles is the one who couldn’t clear a full hour for the son he neglected, financially abused and exiled. Charles is the one who completely blew up the British media’s reconciliation fantasies. And to not even allow Harry to stay overnight at Clarence House or Kensington Palace or St. James’s Palace? Wild. Charles really does think that “how could we even find room in our 200-bedroom palaces for Harry?” is a reasonable argument. Anyway, I hope Harry has a nice flight home to California.
Update: Harry just arrived at Heathrow and he’s flying back to California. The Telegraph calculated that Harry spent 25 hours on British soil. They also write that Harry’s “gesture is understood to have been warmly welcomed by the King.”
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Harry had to do something in person that couldn’t be done over zoom. Signature?
I think Charles’ cancer (f@ck cancer) is a cover. (He has cancer but it’s not the reason Harry is there). British media knows but can’t say. It’s BIG.
Look to foreign press for clues.
Not this again. Signature for what? People have accept that this is not a normal family and Charles lives a very regimented and inflexible life by choice.
Some of the commenters here really believe that Harry is next up to be King because of Nostradamus or something, despite all the fact he has very little contact with any of them and has been more and more sidelined, that this brother will never relinquish his position. They’ve created additional councilors of state JUST so they dont need to call on Harry, this is not a premise conducive to Harry suddenly being declared Regent. Charles knew his for a week and only informed Harry before the official announcement.
i dont know what to say to these wishful thinkers, other that they are perhaps blinded by love and hope for the Sussexes to be King and Queen.
But It doesn’t really make sense to me, since most of us here are anti monarchy and we want the best for them, which is their lives right now in Montecito.
Honestly, I think the Nostradamus stuff is just fun gossipy speculation. I don’t for a moment believe that any regular posters here believe that some many centuries old vague mutterings mean that Harry and Meghan will be King and Queen.
To me, the bigger speculation has to do with the silence over William and Kate. It is bizarre, it’s suspicious, it’s completely out of character. For the Prince and Princess of Wales to completely disappear during this time, and to have the entire.british.media. say NOTHING about it, has led to a lot of speculation: some wild, I’ll admit. But the lack of information, and the lack of acknowledgement, suggests the royals are hiding something, with the media doing their dirty work. Their own comms teams actions (or inaction) are what’s fueling this speculation.
Where is Kate? What’s wrong with her? I don’t need her medical records, but the way they are all acting (studiously avoiding even mentioning her in the past few days) makes some people wonder if she’s even alive. I hope that’s all baseless, for her sake. I think she’s a racist, petty, “pick me” bully, but I don’t want any harm to come to her (unlike the derangers who want Meghan to die). I can’t think of any situation where a figure as public as she is–the future Queen Consort, disappears without comment under a vague “medical issue”.
Where is the heir? Harry’s been getting the attention an heir should be getting, and as jealous as William is known to be, why isn’t he out front and center? And why isn’t anyone in the media talking about it?
That’s where the speculation about why Harry may be there comes from. It ain’t the Nostradamous stuff, or the astrology stuff. That stuff is fun for people who like it, but there are genuine concerns here that have nothing to do with prophesies or the stars. Reasonable questions that are not being asked by the people who should be asking them.
@Lanne. I really like your post, mostly because it was kind. I had abdominal surgery in 2018. I have no idea what kind of surgery the Princess of Wales had but I was in hospital for 10 days & couldn’t stand up straight for about 6 weeks. It was a really difficult rehab and I was the same age as Kate when I had it. Even now I will move a certain way & fell a terrible tugging in my abdomen. I wish her well. As for The Duke & Duchess of Sussex, they seem to be happy & thriving in their chosen life and that is what we should wish for all.
Snappyfish- I’m so sorry you had to go through that!
I also thank you for sharing your experience. I think people here are severely underestimating the recovery time for some abdominal surgeries, and that’s leading to come conspiracy theories that I find really gross.
Harry has already said he is not interested in becoming king put that to rest especially with BM and the rest being racists will put him and his family in grave danger. If William cannot be king the speculation will be next is Beatrice not Harry. Harry is happy with his family in California doing his business and his charity works. That’s my 2cents
No matter how many precautions are taken, a digital communication risks being hacked. Harry met his father in person to ensure absolute confidentiality.
@Lanna Unfortunately there is a poster here who clearly takes the ramblings of (mentally ill? chemically impaired? grifter?) Nostradamus seriously and keeps pushing the ridiculous idea that Harry would be king/regent.
@LANNE, everything you said!!!
Amy Bee, my understanding is that a CoS must be domiciled in the UK–as does a Regent. If that’s true, how could Harry be a CoS or a Regent?
I don’t think there are papers involved either. I think Harry wanted to see KFC before he started any cancer treatments.
I just read a deranger theory on Twitter that said Harry came back to seek Charles’ permission to divorce Meghan. I shit you not.
Lanne I think that people have different beliefs and opinions about various things but I don’t think that anyone who is here and really supports Harry and Meghan, genuinely cares or wants them to be king and queen. The majority of people were concerned about him returning and most of not all were happy that Meghan and the children didn’t go at all. One or a few talking about a prediction made ages ago isn’t them Or the majority of us wanting them to become king and queen. We love that they have escaped that toxic place and hope that they never have to deal with that place again. Unfortunately that isn’t the case but we can at least joke and talk about a prediction in jest and celebrate when he returns home to his loving wife and children.
@ Christine: please don’t get me started about the derangers on Twitter. Those people are batshit crazy. There’s one who swears Meghan worked “voodoo roots” to dispose of Philip and the Queen, and now she’s working more roots to get rid of Charles and Kate. I sh*t you not.
@lanne william canceled everything he had on his schedule so he can’t get be out and about while harry is here? lol
Seriously, william must also have huge mental health problems. WTF is kate?
I agree. ‘Signing papers’ has even cropped up in the Mail comments. It also featured in comments about William’s one sighted visit to the London Clinic.
Harry has London based lawyers as well as lawyers in the US. He didn’t make a round trip of 12,000 miles to sign some papers.
One thing I noticed from the airport photos for the return flight was the luggage . I think he travelled with just one of his own security- the ex RPO and there were at least two sizeable suitcases as well as backpack/holdall type luggage. I doubt if this was all personal clothing for two men on an overnight trip. Maybe Charles had given him some things.
Most loving sons (which Harry is, even though Charles has done nothing to deserve it) would want to see their elderly parent in person following a cancer diagnosis.
If your own parent was diagnosed with cancer, would you really think, eh, a zoom is fine?
Also, the super wealthy elite (which Harry is part of) are different from us, they just are. They treat jumping on an international flight the way most of us catch a bus. I work in British theatre/TV so I’m around a lot of fairly famous actors and industry leaders, and even though those people are far, far less famous and wealthy than Prince Harry they still think nothing of jumping on a plane to go London-NYC or London-LA for 24 hours or less. My friend’s ex is a famous playwright and has flown from London to NY/LA just to attend one meeting or one networking party then flown straight back again. Like literally Heathrow-LAX-taxi to party-taxi back to LAX-fly back to Heathrow. It’s SUPER normal even in minor celeb circles to jump on an international flight at the drop of a hat, and if it’s minor celebs and playwrights doing that, imagine what it’s like for actual Royalty.
Thank you for sharing info on how the wealthy elite use international flights like taxi services. It makes absolute sense. And I wish these crazy fantasies about Harry signing papers would cease. It’s ridiculous.
It’s not even just the elite. It’s most people with families on a different continent. We are very middle class, but my partner’s family is on a different continent and he’s quite casual about flying back, especially in an emergency.
You don’t have to be very high up the business ladder to catch flights between Heathrow, NYC, LA etc with a next day turnaround for necessary in-person meetings. Plus middle class families do make quick trips for funerals etc.
I agree with @Basi
This in-person visit had to do with confirming the lines of succession (or something like it).
Interesting!
The lines of succession are carved in stone. You can’t play musical chairs with them and suddenly have Harry leapfrog over others to go to the head of the line without parliamentary approval, which takes a long time. There may have been some paperwork to review regarding Harry’s position as Counsellor of State. This was a son visiting his father who has cancer. It’s obvious Charles wanted to share the details of his illness with him before he went off to begin treatment. I imagine the details of the missing Wails were discussed as well.
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Remember the royal reporter’s comment that the Wails would be watching the Danish abdication with interest?
Given they also said Beatrice drove into Clarence House and she’s also a Counsellor of State, needing to sign something seems very likely. What that something is is probably NOT some means to usurp succession but maybe an oath for state secrets or something very mundane and bureaucratic.
Clarence House is part of the St. James Palace complex. Adjacent/adjoined to SJP, the palace, not Sarah Jessica Parker). Bea lives somewhere at SJP. Her being spotted there isn’t an anomaly.
timetravel-britain.com has a pretty good historical article about all of the houses there.
Didn’t something come out in the last month or two that a change to being a CoS involved being a working royal (using that term loosely)?
RR’s don’t know where Harry has stayed a number of times. The just revert to a hotel-it fits with their homeless narrative and not that Harry has friends/safe places that welcome him. Idiots. I guess anytime any of us have travelled someplace where we don’t own a home means we’re homeless.lol They spin hard for their money.
Following the Regent Act, Harry might be asked to act as councillor in the event of Charles not being able to perfom all of his duties.
I think he’s still part of that with *screams here* Andrew.
My mum, who does not live in the UK or US (or even comments on Royal stuff) dryly remarked that the younger son found a way to chat with his father in person even flying from the other part of the world, but his oldest one didn’t make it through London.
So that William is not great is even known outside Royal-commenting circles.
AlpineWitch, Harry is not domiciled in he UK. Once Frogmore Cottage was taken away, he no longer has a home there. I don’t see how he could be a CoS or regent.
The COS issue is still in limbo. But Harry’s position as possible Regent is in stone unless he renounced it at the time it would be needed.
If, god forbid, something happened to William, either death or renouncing, and George became king before 18, Harry would be called upon. He would then have to live in the UK. If he chose not to do that duty and renounced then it would go to Andrew (🤢) if he was still alive. You know he’s not renouncing! If Andrew was deceased it would be Beatrice. But the issue of being Regent is basically hypothetical—a LOT would have to happen for it to come to the point that his being domiciled in the uk is an issue.
The COS position is more relevant because it’s currently ongoing. He *is* a COS so they need to hash that out. Maybe they discussed it on this visit. But I hope for Harry’s sake that this visit, being so short, was spent as a son with ill father.
If Charles wants Harry to be a COS, and Harry is willing, then he will provide an apartment or something so that Harry is domiciled. They don’t know how the cancer treatment will affect Charles, or how long, so they might possibly be making longer term contingency plans. Last we heard Charles does not want Harry or Bea to stand in as COS and they have Anne, Camilla, Edward, William on hand. However, William is ‘focusing’ on Kate, Edward has looked unwell for some time, Camilla and Anne are both 70+ so a contingency is not a bad idea.
The law doesn’t say a COS has to reside in the UK. It says that they have to be a British subject of full age. The BM and the RF like to bend laws to their own liking.
@equality, apparently that isn’t correct, and @Saucy, domiciled doesn’t mean what it seems. I looked into this a couple of years back, and ended up going down the rabbit hole of British tax law, which led me to wonder if domiciled meant something different than living or having property in the UK. I’m not an attorney, and no one on CB with more knowledge ever responded when I asked about it.
But, I just found the relevant document via the House of Commons Library entitled Regency and Counsellors of State. Interestingly, this document bears yesterday’s date, 6 February 2024.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9374/
From page 24:
“Under the 1937 [Regency] Act, a Counsellor of State must be domiciled in ‘some part’ of the United Kingdom. The concept of ‘domicile’ is derived from common law. As the Explanatory Note to the Counsellors of State Bill [assume this means the 2022 bill] explained:
Everyone receives a domicile at birth; this is known as a ‘domicile of origin’. Every independent person can at any time change their domicile of origin and acquire a ‘domicile of choice’ by the fact of residing in a country other than that of their domicile of origin with the intention of continuing to reside there indefinitely. There is a strong presumption against a change from a domicile of origin to a domicile of choice.”
All this is a little confusing and obscure (as it is in the tax regulations where I first saw it), but the next section of this document plainly states:
“On this basis, the Duke of Sussex is eligible to act as a Counsellor of State as his ‘domicile of origin’ remains England & Wales despite him residing in the United States.”
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@ BASI Yikes on Bike. Some of the conspiracy theories being thrown around on both sides are bonkers. At the end of the day, he is still royal. He still believes in the monarchy and loves his family. He flew there to see his father. Maybe he regrets not flying in to see the Queen in her finals days and didn’t want to make that mistake again. Saying someone is lying about cancer is JUST as SICK the people saying Meghan was lying about contemplating self-harm.
Harry has been saying all his adult life that he has absolutely no desire to be king. They can’t force him to become one if he doesn’t want to be. The only thing Harry can do is be regent to his nephew should William be out of commission but that’s about it. Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan would never expose their children to the toxic British monarchy firm, Harry lived that nightmare and would never ever subject his children to it. People need to stop this craziness; Harry is not going to become king because HARRY doesn’t want to be king.
None of us really knows why Harry flew 14 hours for a 15 minute meeting. Maybe it wasn’t to sign papers but maybe it was his father apologizing in person and telling Harry that he, Charles, doesn’t have it within him to love Harry the way he should be loved but that he is sorry for having been a shitty father and grandfather. Maybe it was signing papers as you say, but it most definitely was not papers that would make Harry king because Harry doesn’t want to be king. Or maybe it was just Harry wanting to see his father alive for the last time, maybe Harry needed the closure and be able to say ” I tried my best, my father was the one that didn’t want to meet me halfway”. They all are possibilities, but one thing we know that is on record is Harry stating multiple and numerous times that he has absolutely zero desire to ever be a king, not king or anything and certainly not king of the UK. It would be nice to respect the man’s wishes.
Prince Harry was there as a loving dutiful son to Chuck. Let’s not speculate about other reasons why he is there. The Sussexes are happy in Montecito and I’m very happy for them.
Papers! We don’t need no stinkin’ papers!
The main thing Harry had to do that couldn’t be done over Zoom is to have a conversation with his father that wouldn’t be snooped and reported on by britmedia/ courtier/ Tory spies The Ant, The Bee, The Cricket, The Fly, The Mosquito, The Scorpion, The Wasp, et al. That would also extend to any KP spies lurking about.
LOL @kirk. Love the new annoying creature names. Now we have to assign the people to The Ant, The Cricket, The Mosquito and The Scorpion. Which sounds like a fun game.
If Camilla was there, she’s an absolute leaker. She fits all the unnamed creatures and then some.
Nope, he wanted to do it and it is also a big ol’ fek you to any and all that had articles on the ready how Horrible he is and how Disappointed Charlie is that his Darling Boy didn’t visit him at this TOUGH time, on the brink of DEATH, but-really-caught-early-all-is-fine, moment.
He shut that down QUICK.
It feels like he went there to sign some papers. That’s all. I’m sad for Harry and wish him only the very best
What papers does Harry has to sign? We live in the 21st century, papers can be signed electronically now.
@ Amy Bee, Some things just can’t be done electronically, they need to be done in person. My cousin lives in Los Angeles. Sometimes he has to fly to D.C. for a one hour meeting and then fly right back to L.A., because whatever they’re discussing is too sensitive to be done over zoom or a phone call.
From a family who wore silly robes and fancy hats for a coronation, I’d imagine signing papers has to be done in person with a super fancy pen that possibly has magical powers because of some hundreds of years old rule.
I jest… But only a little.
@Amy Bee You’re talking about a court ruled by a man who still uses fountain pens, writes longhand “spider memos” to Parliament, and refuses to use email himself. It also may well be that certain royal documents must be signed in ink still.
If this meeting was about discussing Harry being tapped for a potential future Regency involving George, then that’s not something you handle over a Zoom or phone call. Although I would absolutely believe this meeting they had on Tuesday was prefaced by one or perhaps several phone calls.
Well, to give a mundane example, recently, my brothers and I had to physically sign some documents regarding a property we all have a stake in. Sometimes I need to physically go into a bank to sign some paperwork in regards to setting up a certain types of accounts. So, it’s possible.
We have no idea how those people operate.
I do sincerely think Harry just learned his dad had cancer, and hopped on a plane to see him in person. And most of these other something-top-secret-is-afoot stories are a bit conspiratorial.
However, out of all those theories, @Where’sMyTiara’s point that it might have to do with a regency for George makes the most sense.
It is of course just practical to make explicit who will care for your children in the worst case scenario of both parents passing away (we made explicit arrangements when our now-10 year old was a toddler, and explained to all our parents and siblings which sibling we’d chosen and why, so should that worst-case-scenario come to pass, everyone left is on the same page. And we’re just regular, non-fancy folks. I imagine it is much more complicated if you are royalty.)
And having Harry officially be the regent makes the most sense (and eliminates any question of the worst-case scenario of it passing to next-in-line-after-Harry, Child Sex Abuser Andrew, which might come up if Harry doesn’t live in the UK, etc.)
But here are my questions, if there is any real traction with this:
1) Wouldn’t this have been made official years ago? George is just a few months younger than my child, as a I said, we made these arrangements when she was a toddler. Surely some palace staffer’s very job description includes making sure arrangements for regents, etc. are in place right out the gate when you are a royal-in-direct-line-for-ascension?
(I mean, I guess Charles actually having cancer might have made everyone realize George might be next-in-line within a few years, so they are only just getting to it now, but one would think Charles-being-in-his-70s would have already made them realize that, and if they didn’t make these arrangements when G. was young, they should have the moment the Queen passed away)
2) Wouldn’t William have a say in this? If not as next-in-line, certainly as father of the child? And I can’t see him being okay with this, given his rage-and-jealousy-fueled hatred of his brother. And clearly he wasn’t at the meeting.
Does anyone know whether it would still be possible for a monarch to declare a future-regent against the wishes of the PoW? (Although maybe even Incandescent Willy recognizes Harry is the only option here?)
When we bought our house in 2016 we had to go to an office to sign the papers. They would not send them electronically. I remember thinking it was a total pain. I know it’s been 8 years (!!) but some realtors/lenders work that way still. Not saying that this was about real estate, only saying that depending on the document, only in person signatures are accepted. I’m sure it’s some boring pencil pushing paperwork and nothing exciting.
@DK There’s nothing to be discussed about Harry being a Regent for George. If that situation arose, he is constitutionally the Regent. That position, unless abdicated or renounced, is the next in line who is over 18. That’s Harry. If he gives it up then it’s Andrew then Beatrice. William has bupkus to say about it. It would have to go to parliament.
Now while he would theoretically be regent, if Kate was able (and so far there’s no actual evidence she isn’t) she would still have custody, for all intents and purposes, of her children. This isn’t the Middle Ages anymore. She wouldn’t be able to just pack up and move with Charlotte and Louis. But they wouldn’t be living with Harry. He would be there to do state affairs not be a parent. If Kate were unavailable, for whatever reason, then a guardian would be appointed if there wasn’t one named in their will.
The last time the issue was really relevant was in the reign of William IV. Queen Victoria was a minor while she was heiress presumptive. Her uncle William didn’t make her live with him. And her mother , or anyone other than the Duke of Cumberland, wouldn’t have become regent. The fears were her mother’s influence and that of John Conroy, her comptroller, on the young Queen. William IV, who detested his sister in law handled it by dying weeks after Victoria’s 18th birthday.
I don’t think the BRF uses Docusign for their official documents.
Signatures that are notarized have to be done in front of a notary public. Now, Harry could have done that in LA and overnighted anything to KC
As someone who truly understands why Harry jumped in to a flight to see his only parent after a cancer diagnosed. It’s very hard to come to realization that your own parent and relative don’t really care if you’re are alive or dead because it doesn’t do anything for them but when you accept that everything else is just another visit.
Sadly, I understand too. How do you feel worthwhile when your family sees no value in you? If only I had found my Meghan. Harry, hold onto her tightly.
Didn’t Bea also visit? Could be COS related.
No proof that Bea visited. She apparently lives nearby and that is likely why she was seen driving past.
I think learning that Bea lives at St. James Palace is interesting in itself.
So I think she has an apartment at st James and also bought a house in the Cotswold so yeah , must be nice.
@equality She visited. The photos of her aren’t driving past—she went in the back entrance of Clarence House and out the front.
It’s quite likely something was discussed as Beatrice would really have no idea what she could potentially be called upon to do. She wasn’t raised as a working Royal and has had no official role. Charles likely wanted it dealt with before departing for Sandringham.
Haven’t seen any photos of her going in. The only ones I saw were her driving.
There are some in the Fail. Their reporting sucks but they’re always good for photos.
She visited twice. The first time she likely drove from St James (if they’re there and not in their Cotswolds home) was seen departing. She then returned and was photographed entering and then photographed departing again. (Which makes me think she may not be in London, or might have left, since I think I’m correct that you can get to st James’s from CH. But security is a pain there. )
Yes. Beatrice was seen visiting Clarence House twice that morning. She drove in and out of the Clarence House gates which is where the press were gathered.
L, Harry has been successful and thriving since he left that awful family behind. To date, leaving was the best thing to happen for Harry in his entire life. Why do you claim to be sad for him? Can you please get away from this kind of narrative?
Harry went to see his father about the cancer, though I think Charles had other motives. I believe C wants him to drop the remaining court cases.
Something is going on with Kate, and it’s not a stomach surgery. If it was stomach surgery they would’ve taken pics. Her smiling from the hospital bed surrounded by flowers. The kids would’ve been trotted out for pics of them visiting her, the Midds would be all over the place, the rota would’ve asked for comments from Carole and received plenty in return. We would’ve gotten a pic of William taking care of her, and another of her fully made up in bed with paperwork. There is definitely something wrong.
I believe Charles told Harry what was happening and asked him to back off the RR because of it.
It would also explain the brief meeting between the two.
William the Petty behaved as normal and we got a story about incandescent being incandescent because his brother was in town and he’s still butthurt about the “betrayal.” He’s a petulant child.
“It is thought” he stayed in a hotel. In other words, we have no clue, but we will report anyway like the upstanding journalists that we are. And he is “expected” to leave today. Again, no clue. He could have plans with the UK branch of Better Up or any charity. The only thing they can be sure of is that he won’t stay long because he has a job in Canada coming up.
Exactly. All we know is that he arrived with a police convoy and hasn’t been seen since. So the airport to London police escort was all he got and after that Harry and his team were on their own?
The Telegraph and the royal reporter from GB News admitted last night that they didn’t know where Harry was staying and how long he would be in the UK. The DM knows as much as the rest of the press which is nothing.
Does their admission that they don’t know have anything to do with the lack of a hyper-papped return convoy to Heathrow to match his arrival? Or something to do with UK media wearing black two nights in a row?
I think they feel the need to be vague b/c they know something big is about to drop re: Kate. I’m betting they’ll wait until late Friday to make any announcement. Although that’s only a couple days away now, and there’s no sign at all that BP is cleaning up KP’s absolute poop-built ziggurat of a “she’s resting at home” narrative. How they’re going to walk back *that* mess if she’s really in a coma at Wood Farm is going to be … interesting. Notice how KP stopped frantically pushing back against the Spanish media coma story, right after they doubled down? I think the Spanish media told KP who their source was. Lord, if it was Camilla… KP must be freaking…
@tiara – I mean I don’t think they would release her from the hospital if she was in a coma still (if she ever was). But she may have had a stroke during a routine surgery. That is the type of thing that it would probably be hard to know what her prognosis would be until more time went by, so maybe they wanted to wait a bit to see how she did in rehab (maybe outpatient rehab she can do from home) if something like that happened to her. I could also see why she wouldn’t want an announcement like that at first until they had more info on her prognosis so as not to freak out her kids unnecessarily if there was a chance they she might end up recovering well.
UK media did not wear black two days in a row, a small number of newsreaders wore either black or navy to announce Charles’ cancer diagnosis, then they went back ti wearing lights or brights the next day.
There is a rumour that Harry went to Sandringham and the press missed it but it would have been a long way back to London unless a helicopter was used.
Nobody saw him leave Clarence House. I very much doubt he stayed in a hotel.
It all just shows how tight Harry’s circle is though, now that he’s left the Firm. No leaks, no info, press scrambling because they don’t know a darn thing.
Exactly. “It is thought.” “It is claimed” (probably by the voices in their heads).
Harry should have gone right home. Imo. Mark was not such a great mentor
I don’t think he got played. He looks like a benevolent son to an undeserving father. Now he can get back to his business and family in peace. I hope he has a safe flight home.
The royal sycophants seem to think that this makes Charles look good. They will continue to place all blame for the estrangement on Harry.
Everything the royal sycophants think makes them look good does the opposite. Trash a baby’s name. Claim the queen thought Meghan’s dress was too white. Meet with your son for 30m when he traveled for 14 hr. If they were smart, they’d find out what the sycophants want and then do the opposite. But they’re not smart; they’re jealous insecure and petty.
If Charles isn’t working and he doesn’t have to abide by transportation schedules he could have hung out with Harry as long as he liked. I just don’t think these people know how to people.
I also wonder if Harry prefers to stay in a hotel vs. one of the palaces.
@kc I’m with you. These people have spent their lives having to schedule time to spend with QE2, regardless of where she was or what she was doing. The concept of an unstructured hang is foreign to them
They really do, and how can they call an international return flight that took longer than the time spent on British soil a “gesture”? Like, seriously? The wording makes Charles look terrible.
Exactly. I didn’t even follow the comment threads yesterday for the initial story because I didn’t think it would blow up into anything. But I caught up this morning, which took quite awhile! There’s really nothing to see here with Harry hurrying to see an ailing father but then having nothing else to stay for.
Now, the Great Wales Disappearance is something else entirely!
I was just telling a co-worker that I hope Harry was able to lay down the law during the visit. Like yes, Harry is the kind of person who hops on a plane to see his father following a cancer diagnosis, but I’m hoping maybe part of the reason the meeting was so short is that Harry said “I’ll support you as I can through this, as your son but that’s it. My family and life is in California, the end.”
Harry looked very happy and relaxed at the airport and was smiling. I think everything went according to plan. Father and son love each other but the son needed more from the father. The father didn’t really know how to be a father since his parents were not good role models. Father is desperate not to upset first son for the sake of the succession. Second son is the sacrifice.
Ok yes Harry does do what his heart tells him and he will have no regrets. If true that he stayed at a hotel somewhere else I think that was a wise decision. If he stayed at any of the royal residences he would have been watched and everything would be told to the gutter press.
Oh yea, I don’t doubt his room would be bugged! He is wise to stay elsewhere for privacy.
I was actually really surprised when the Sussexes stayed at FC that last time, I think for the Jubilee? I know that they had to pack up the last of their personal belongings, but as far as having friends over for Lili’s birthday party, and staying overnight? I absolutely would have assumed that every room and phone was bugged, with hidden cameras everywhere, some sort of cellphone hacking setup, the works. I definitely would have stayed at a hotel or the Soho House or whatever if I’d been in their situation. I do not trust the RF as far as I can throw them.
Yes, I think it might have been Harry’s idea to stay at a hotel. I imagine that royal residences would be an uncomfortable place to stay after everything that has transpired in the last four years. The only upside would be security.
Super luxury hotels like the Ritz and Claridge’s know how to treat VIP guests who need security. (Not saying he stayed at either place, but they know the drill.)
“It is thought” that Harry “may have” stayed in a luxury hotel.
I remain unconvinced that Harry didn’t go to Sandringham.
But also… something feels very sinister with the BRF… more so than normal.
Yeah I’m going to need to put actual eyes on Harry — much like Kate, this all feels very, very creepy.
Something grave and unspeakable may have happened to Kate. That is my hunch! The silence is very suspicious and eerie.
I think Charles’s situation may also be serious enough for Harry to fly thousands of miles to be with his dad.
I also remain unconvinced that he didn’t go to Sandringham. That’s not saying he did, but I think it’s possible that he did. He could’ve gone there, switched cars, and booked it out of the St. James Palace entrance to BP. (I believe Clarence House and St. James Palace are attached.) And no one would’ve been looking for him because no one realized KCIII was going to book it to Sandringham that fast.
Everything surrounding the BRF does seem odd, though. I also agree with that. Kate’s MIA. I don’t think KP even issued a statement about Charles.
I think that the chances he went to Sandringham are pretty high.
When I first heard that Harry was immediately flying to England to see Charles, I assumed that Chuck’s prognosis was actually WAY worse than the media was saying.
But now, after learning that Harry only stayed for 45 minutes? And is already on his way back to CA? 🤯 I have absolutely no idea what to think about any of it. None at all.
All I know for sure is that I agree with @Megan, @Acha, and @Asantewaa, who think this all seems even ~more~ sinister and creepy than usual for the RF, especially the Kate situation.
The RF is full of lying, garbage people (obviously excluding Harry!), but I do genuinely hope that Kate is alright. From what little we know, it does not look good for her.
Wow! they knew enough to give him a police escort from the airport, but not enough to find him a room to stay! any sympathic feelings i had towards KC3 for his illness are now out the window. this man is ill lucky it was caught early if they are telling the truth. but actions speak louder than going to church on Sunday.
Just maybe Harry made the choice where he chose to stay.
That’s what I’m thinking. By now Harry’s got it down, he’ll make his own temporary housing arrangements. He knows these people well.
The royal palaces leak like a sieve. No way Harry would go back into that cesspool, too many eyes and ears.
Charles keeps showing who he is. But I don’t blame Harry for trying. Hope he has a safe trip home.
William needs to shut up and remember it’s not about him. I’m not tagging on Harry’s choices because it’s his family I’m just happy he didn’t drag Meghan along
I think its weird they dont know where Harry went after Clarence house. I mean, they had photographers stalking him every mile from Heathrow to Clarence and then poof, he disappears? Chris Ship sounded very upset they couldn’t figure out where he was staying, he said something like “despite our best efforts to find out.”
I don’t need to know what hotel he stayed in (I do think its funny that they specify it was a “luxury hotel” lol), its just weird that the press is so desperate to follow his every mood and he just disappeared.
It makes sense for him to have had dinner with Beatrice and Edo and stayed with them at St James Palace, which would also explain why he wasn’t seen. Royal security would keep shtum about that so no leaks, and no courtiers needed to know. Just IMO
If Harry choppers out to Sandringham today, that we should know because it’ll leak from BP. “Harry Leeches Off of Taxpayers for Heli Ride!” or some such…
@Becks: Chris Ship likes to pretend he’s above the fray but he’s just as bad as the tabloid press.
@Amy Bee, TOTALLY agree about Chris Ship. I forget what news division he was in before he started covering the royals, but he absolutely acts like he’s so above it all, when really, his job is exactly the same as every other member of the gutter ROTA. At least the others own it and don’t try to act as if they’re “better” than they actually are.
Ship still likes to think of himself as a legitimate journalist, and to that I say, lmao.
He’s so obnoxious.
I’d love it if he stayed at a cheap (semi-it’s London) Best Western or such to toally throw them all off. But my guess is Soho House or a friend. There must be some extra fancy Air B and B for high profile folks as well
In The Good Place, they made that exact joke, calling it Heir BandB.
Replying to myself – so now he’s flying home. Good for him. he came, he did what he needed/wanted to do, and now he can get back to his family and look forward to the IG events next week.
But how many bathrooms did the luxury hotel have?
Really, the BM standards are slipping.
Harry and William are in the know about Charles illness and privy to the details. Harry could not say goodbye to Diana when he lost her. He made the best choice for his emotional health and went to see his father. Practical too, if he was to sign papers or get briefings about what would happen if the worst happens with Charles.
Charles is not looking well for some time now and he is already under treatment,. I will give him grace and say 45 minutes sounds reasonable if he was exausted. Perhaps he waited in London just to see Harry and leave for the country,
Now, William is a no show as expected. DUH. Nobody knows about Kate . DUH. The British Media prefers to fantasize about Harry ” coming back” than actually reporting. I dont know what William promised them to keep them silent. I have a feeling Charles enjoyed the good press of Harry´s visit and expected this would goad William into doing something. Whatever it is, the Royal Rota is in bad standing. They are the fools and their rants and ridiculous ” poor William” ´s pieces are not cutting it.
If he was exhausted, there were plenty of places to rest where he was and then visit more with PH later. A helicopter ride to take an unnecessary trip isn’t what an exhausted person does.
They are aristocrats. Their idea of rest is to get comfy in a country estate, not in the city.
They traditionally loathe cities, their set, It would not surprise me if Charles could only ” rest” away from London.
@Equality — He hasn’t started treatment yet. I gather you’ve never had cancer. I’m shortly undergoing treatment for the second time so I think I’m qualified to say when you get a cancer diagnosis and face going through the godawful surgery/chemo/radiation, take your pick, you do NOT want to be in a big city no matter how luxurious the surroundings. I don’t blame him for high-tailing it to Sandringham to deal with the earth-shattering diagnosis of cancer in a peaceful environment. If I could afford it I’d do the same thing but am content nesting in my comfortable home with Mr. Jaded doing all he can to help me through this.
I think this is an excellent take.
What papers would Harry have to sign?
I don´t think they have an ” Operation Londonbridge” for King Charles yet- or at least, not something done to the tiny details as they had with Elizabeth- and I suppose there should be questions in relations to Archie and Lilibet because, remmember Charles wanted to, but he actually did not change the Law and Archie and Lilibet ARE princes of the realm.
the whole Nostradamus thing is bullshit, so that was what I had in mind when I mentioned papers.
@ModeratelyWealthy- Thank you. I say we make up a bunch of predictions now so people in the future can be breathless about what we “foresaw”. Nostradamus is some dude who looked just as stupid sitting on a toilet as any one of us.
@moderately wealthy That’s a sympathetic take. I like it, at least for Harry’s sake. That Charles waited to depart rather than ditching Harry after that long trip. Given how regimented their schedules are it would be a meaningful gesture while to a regular person a short visit is like ‘really, that’s it?’
And I don’t see a helicopter ride as something someone exhausted wouldn’t do. Why take a car ride, comfy as it would be? Just hurry up and get there and settle in.
You are at your own home and exhausted (supposedly) and make your own schedule and have nowhere you HAVE to be right then. Why take a ride in anything, anywhere?
@Equality — because being told you have cancer is one of the worst things you can ever hear, certainly it was for me in 2016 and again this past December. Sandringham is a peaceful environment where he can process his diagnosis and make whatever adjustments to his life he has to. He’s not exhausted yet because his treatments haven’t started. Dealing with cancer means keeping your environment as tranquil and stress-free as possible because believe me, no matter how rich and important you are, you will be filled with debilitating sadness, anxiety and worry. I have brutal insomnia and my upcoming surgery and its aftermath is never far from my mind. Think about it.
@equality because small CH, in the center of London, doesn’t offer near the comfort, privacy and staffing as sandringham. Sandringham has been the king’s for over a year. I’m sure he’s put his own stamp on it.
@ModeratelyWealthy, great post. Makes total sense. And we know that Harry will always do what he thinks is right, regardless of what people will say.
ETA: the only point I disagree with is that I think they have those detailed “Operation” whatever funeral plans years and years in advance for nearly all the members of the RF, especially for the monarch. So I’m sure there’s one for Charles, especially given his age.
(And yes, ITA that the Nostradamus nonsense is exactly that!)
Maybe they do have a Londonbridge for Charles, yes, after all a whole year passed, they had more than time to update his funeral arrangements as Prince of Wales to now that he is King. BP operation is, in general, much more professional than KP.
Where is William in all of this? Has he shown his face today? Or is it going to be next week? Honestly, everyone is talking about Harry (who is a traitor, as derangers and RRs are saying), but seriously where is the heir? What is he doing? Will we ever get some answers?
He was at an investiture today, KP has the pictures up on social media.
Ah, thanks! I’ve stopped following KP after what happened with Harry & Meghan, so I didn’t know that the investiture took place yet…
I am proud of Prince Harry. He’s a good man.
Safe travels back to where you belong, Harry.
I agree with you. Harry has a moral compass. It is always better to do the right thing. Which he did for an only surviving parent with cancer, that way when he travels to Canada with his wife, the rotten media would not be able to accuse him of ignoring his father.
45mins may be enough for both of them. Especially Charles if he has undergone treatment and is feeling a bit tired. Harry coming on a long flight, may also want a short meeting.
However, not to offer him a room to stay amongst the many rooms in these stately homes was mean, and it would give Harry the absolution that moving away was the right decision.
Personally, if my father took my home away from me, then offered me a room to stay at one of his residences when I came to visit, I would refuse and prefer to stay at a hotel. I would be insulted to be given guest quarters when I had my own whole house.
Agree with you both — but Harry has already shown us many, many times that he’s a much better person than I am!
They have no idea where Prince Harry stayed. The “it is thought,” says it all.
I saw a snippet of another article stating that Harry’s motorcade seemed to follow Charles and Camilla’s, but they weren’t certain. He could’ve switched cars at Clarence House, been driven to BP before them, and taken the helicopter to Sandringham with them, for all we know. No one seems to have had a glance at him past him being driven to Clarence House.
They could’ve just met for the 45 minutes, and then Harry could’ve stayed at Clarence House. Or he could’ve stayed with a friend. I don’t think anyone actually knows.
I don’t think he stayed with c and c
Camilla leaks, and I’m not talking about a bladder full of gin. Harry does not like or trust her so nope, no way he stayed with them.
@Jaded, ITA— there are very few things I’m certain of here, but I’d say that Harry NOT staying anywhere near Camilla is for sure one of them.
@Jaded, “Camilla Leakes” funnest thing I’ve heard in a while.🤣🤣🤣🤣
They didn’t offer him to stay, he didn’t ask. No hospitality for family. Anyway, the king, his coween, eggplant prince William, all stayed true to themselves and the world isnt shocked or disappointed by their behaviour.
They probably tricked him to get there fast just to get him to sign an nda about the disappearance of kkkhate and the kings health
You actually can’t be forced to sign an NDA unless it’s part of an employment agreement, and Harry is a man of integrity and discretion so whatever he now knows about them will stay private.
They forgot to mention Montecito bathrooms. As for the rest….let the DM DM.
I don’t think Harry was signing papers – the RF has been pretty explicit in excluding him as a counselor of state.
As to staying in a hotel, that’s obviously conjecture but it makes sense after a long flight. I’ll just bet the BM are maaaaad that they can’t follow Harry!
And yes, it’s ridiculous that Charles couldn’t offer a single room in one of his many lavish, empty properties, but honestly? I wouldn’t stay there. Harry’s family unfortunately can’t be trusted to host him without leaking.
As to the possibility of signing papers, Harry is still his father’s son, and a Prince. It’s unlikely, but maybe Charles wanted to set up a trust for Archie and Lili, or needed Harry’s signature to agree to a property co-ownership or transfer. It’s highly unlikely, but maybe Harry now owns Sandringham.
I don’t think we know what Charles offered or didn’t offer — or what Harry’s response might have been. I think we do know that Harry has the decency and the courage to do whatever he feels he needs to do — to do the right thing on his own terms.
Wishful thinking, I’m afraid. 😔
Prince Harry did his filial duty. BM can’t clamor that the Sussexes are insensitive and cruel, and inhumane. They have already forget that incandescent said that he will never meet Harry. Anyway does he crawl out of the bat cave today?
I can’t believe I’m about to play devil’s advocate (so let me just add Abolish the Monarchy!!) but it wouldn’t shock me if he did not want to stay at a Royal property? After the gazillion anonymous “aides” and “sources close to the Royal family” selling stories (and their souls) to the Daily Fail and friends? Yeah I’d have more trust in the staff at the Savoy or whatever too!
I think you’re right and wherever Harry stayed last night, it was his choice. I don’t know if that was in one of the palaces, or a friend’s house, or a hotel – but it was his choice.
My favorite part of this is that the press have no idea at all 😈
The Ritz is pretty much around the corner and the Savoy is nearby. Lots of options that are close and discreet.
Ha ha ,that’s hilarious.
They can’t find Will and Kate and now despite all efforts to track Harry ,he has disappeared too .
How frustrating for the mad media mob .
Harry is quite simply a remarkable man. Courage and grace in spades.
Go well Harry.
Yes, I agree. Despite all he had to endure from being the second born son of the heir of the BRF and having had to deal with narcissistic cheaters in both a father and a brother, Harry has turned out remarkably well. He overcame many struggles and tragedies as a young man and yet, somehow became the honourable, proud and productive man he is today. He is the best of them all, and I think his family knows it!
This makes it look less like a convalescence visit for a totally treatable cancer and more like a dire emergency that had to be taken care of ASAP, they do realize it? Had Harry spent a couple of days with his father, it would look a lot less suspicious. And yeah, making him get a hotel room when the family owns multiple palaces and estates is… a choice.
Right? Last minute international travel for 45 minute conversation seems really dramatic. Staying for several days at a country estate with Pa would read much more like a father and son quality time. 45 minutes really evokes a sense of finality.
For a normal family – yes. If (god forbid) one of my parents or grandparents was diagnosed with a serious illness, I would want to stay to support them through it, even if that’s just to sit with them and be there for them. Or doing something to help, like make sure they have easy meals in the fridge, do a load of laundry or do a grocery run for them – anything that makes it easier to give their full attention to getting better.
But Charles undoubtedly has people who already do all of these jobs for him all the time, and the harsh truth is that I don’t think he craves the company of anyone except Camilla, including his two sons. I don’t think he would have had much to say to Harry even if he had invited his son to dinner.
In a normal family, you would negotiate FML and remote work options, and yes, you would stay as long as was feasible. I went through this recently (as many people have) and while my travel was domestic, each time I traveled to visit a sick, elderly relative, I stayed a full week. Realistically, though, most of us plebs can’t afford to travel last minute for a brief visit, so either we commit long term or don’t go. Harry has options we don’t, but he’s still a human being with feelings and physical limitations. The choice to be there for 45 minutes (or 25 hours) is significant. Even if he did something similar for the coronation, that was also a major historic event, right? There was weight to his decision.
@Jay,
I actually see it the opposite way: because Charles has all these resources that a typical 75-year-old man does not, there was no need for Harry to rush to his side just to spend 45 min together. They could have talked on the phone a lot for now and planned a longer visit a little later, perhaps when Harry could come with the whole family and Charles could spend more than 45 min with them. I think that most parents who have plenty of support (even without staff, he has a wife, another adult son, and several competent siblings living nearby) would insist that their children don’t need to drop everything and rush to their side overnight when there is no immediate danger. Unless, of course, there was something urgent that needed to be taken care of ASAP.
Only that family knows how to squash any empathy, sympathy or good will they would get with a cancer diagnosis in 72 hours or less. After the Jamaican country calling them out this is not a good move at all. As they said, “just bitta, bitta people”
Truly, they cannot go one day without stepping on their own rakes.
Harry can rest easy at night knowing he is a wonderful person who always thinks of others before himself. He is at peace because he has the love of a good woman and two beautiful children in his life . He knows love because he was loved by his mom and gets it daily from his wife and children . May he get back home safely soon to them
“Charles is the one who completely blew up the British media’s reconciliation fantasies.”
Indeed. Reconciliation was all the press was talking about before Harry met with Charles. They really want Harry to return to the royal fold. I got the sense last night that the press was trying to be optimist about the meeting but I’m not sure how long that’s going to last. They’re probably attack Harry and Meghan for going to Vancouver next week.
I agree, it does look like King Charles had been crying.
A couple of things – to the DM –either the King is “cancer-stricken” or “its very very early and they caught it early and the prognosis is so good he will continue his constitutional duties” — pick a lane and stay there. The other thing is about Harry staying in a “luxury hotel” – I suspect Charles might allow Harry to stay in royal residence, but his private security are not. Harry wants his own people looking out for him. That’s speculation on my part. If that is the case, then staying in a hotel would make more sense for Haz.
‘Cancer-stricken’ is such a nasty phrase to use, but this is a paper that also uses ‘wheelchair-bound’. When you’ve just been diagnosed with cancer, you’re feeling all kinds of emotions & don’t need outsiders characterizing your illness in any manner, let alone in such a derogatory one.
The fact that the palaces have been shamelessly lying to the public for years might have made me overly cynical, but I would not be shocked in the least to learn that Chuck actually received the cancer diagnosis a while ago, and his recent trip to the hospital was for some sort of treatment or procedure related to the cancer. And that whatever took place in the hospital made his doctors realize that his prognosis is actually much worse than first realized, precipitating Harry’s rush to England to see him.
(That obviously does not negate your point that the Fail needlessly uses such nasty language to describe medical conditions. The Fail is going to Fail.)
Conjecture your honor..
“It has been claimed” & “ it is thought” signs that they don’t know. ITV Reporter stated they did not know where “he is staying “ though they tried their best (paraphrasing) to find out. It is also said both Buckhouse & the DOS SPOCKS were tight lipped.
Thank you Astro. That gave me a nice much-needed chuckle.
I’ve noticed something I find a little bit weird and I don’t know if I’m overreacting.
I’ve noticed that multiple American-run SussexSquad accounts have been tweeting to say that British “newscasters” have been wearing non-stop black since Monday. A major SS account made a tweet late Tuesday night/early Wednesday morning saying “British newscasters all still in black.” But… it’s just not true. I’m British, I watch the news a lot, no one is wearing black. A handful (not all) newsreaders were in either black or navy on Monday evening to announce the King’s cancer diagnosis, but they were all back wearing light or bright colours by Tuesday morning. Sophie Rawley who’s the main and the most famous newsreader was wearing a bright reddish/orange shirt all day yesterday, and the other female newsreader was in a white shirt. They had a Rat on to talk about Charles’s diagnosis and she was in head to toe buttercup yellow. I switched the news on this morning and the female newsreader was wearing a white tank top underneath a bright green shirt, and the male newsreader was in a light blue suit.
Now maybe this is just people getting caught up in the excitement and rumours spreading in a natural way (like maybe screengrabs of Monday are being spread and people don’t realise they’re just from Monday) but the amount of accounts repeating this one very specific untruth – “UK newscasters still all in black as of Tuesday night” feels targeted, like someone is deliberately feeing easily debunked lies to SS accounts in order to discredit us. What’s going on? Am I overthinking this?
So a lot of the SS accounts saying that aren’t American, FYI.
But I don’t think its some nefarious plot to discredit Squaddies by feeding them “easily debunked lies.” That’s definitely overthinking it.
I think its just what you said – that people are seeing screengrabs from Monday and not realizing they’re from Monday. It’s not really any deeper than that.
I think most SussexSquad live outside UK. Harry, Camilla & Charles were wearing black. If some news reporters wore black yesterday, it became a clue about what’s going on. One account tweets about it, then others follow. Fact checking is hard when we talk about something happening live. It might be just that.
I probably am overthinking. But one huge and influential SS account tweeted on Tuesday night something like “all UK newscasters still wearing black” which was definitely presented as though it was current, up to the minute news, and that’s just completely false. I don’t know why someone would tweet that without fact checking, and I’m curious what their source is and why the source was just straight up lying.
Royal Family were observing death anniversary of King George VI, died Feb 6,1952 at Sandringham, and Accession Day of QEII. HM always spent that day at Sandringham in reflection.
Likely King wishes to do same, particularly now.
This is just the sort of conspiracy stuff that people engage in when there are a lack of facts. The complete black out of news on Kate sparks speculation of all sorts.
I’m not in the UK, so I checked the googlee machine on that and saw an article at BBC website explaining why they wore black one day. I scanned the article, but didn’t read the entire thing. It takes a few seconds to look stuff up for yourself folks.
Considering the personalities involved reconciliation would have been a miracle. Harry did what he could and now the BM are back to the same cast of characters.
Any “Squadee” who thinks that Harry got played is a “Deranger”
Agreed. Harry looks good since he looks like the caring, dutiful son, while William looks callous and lazy (both for not visiting his dad and for not visiting his wife).
The tabloids will bend over backwards to twist things to pretend he’s in the wrong somehow but they always do, so who cares. There’s literally nothing Harry could do that the tabloids won’t try to twist into a negative. Harry obviously doesn’t give them headspace; he’s ruled by his own emotions and sense of what’s right, not concern for what the racist tabloids will say.
Harry flew to London following the news, surely worried, and Chuck couldn’t even spare more than 45 minutes and a bedroom for him? Disgraceful, horrible person right to the end.
Harry always stays in hotels because the palaces leak everything to the tabloids.
A lot can be discussed within 30-45 minutes if Harry didn’t visit his father before he travels to Canada they would call him Heartless and Cruel. If Harry’s father played him the joke is on Charles because Harry did his part and his conscience is clear. As far as the DM they are crying out spill milk because they don’t know what was said in the meeting and they are mad that they can’t find anything to criticize Harry for.
Just Jade, give it time and either KFC or the Escort will leak about the meeting. It won’t be tomorrow, but it will come.
ITA, if Harry didn’t go visit his father, trash tabloids would have brutalized him and Meghan, and it would over-shadow their Vancouver trip. If anything, chucky played himself because now he can’t go on about how he misses his darling boy when he scurried off not even an hour into their meeting.
Agree, Harry made this journey for himself. Paper signings and other theories seem just like what they are, theories. I do believe he wanted to see his father after hearing of his diagnosis. Not reading much else into it because I do not feel the need to. Looking forward to seeing this Sussexes in Vancouver
Imagine spending 20 hours rt on a plane to have 45 minutes with your estranged father. Even in first class that much time on a plane is a miserable experience. This signals that so much is happening behind the scenes we don’t know about. Something is not at all right in the state of BRF.
Harry made the same trip last year for a one hour coronation, so this isn’t unusual for him. At least this time he got to talk to his father.
Ugh, I can’t even imagine. I’ve done that flight so many times, and even when you have a week between flights the jet lag on both ends sucks. I fly coach and wait in insane security lines, which Harry doesn’t, but even so, the jet lag and just the strain on your body sitting still for 10 hours takes some time to recover from. (I take a sleeping pill and glass of wine right after take off, which tends to knock me out for 4-5 hours. Maybe he has better sleeping pills than I do).
@bettyrose – I’ve done that trip, too, and you’re right that coach is a nightmare. But on one glorious occasion, I got bumped to first class with the seats that turn into a bed. It was a very civilized experience.
Eh, I did long multi-state drives back in the day & would visit my dad for about that length of time. That’s all either of us wanted, really. You know your parent, you know your limits, you know what you can or cannot accept.
@bettyrose, I’ve flown 17+ hours in first class and was in business meetings soon after landing. You breeze through security lines, hang out in the lounge, and once on the plane get great drinks and meals and dessert, relatively big entertainment screen and you have a lie-flat bed with privacy enclosure. Sure, it’s still a bit tiring but it’s not a hardship at all and can’t be compared to economy or premium economy experience.
I think the press got played yesterday. A car left the palace, the car was believed to have Harry in it. The car had blackout windows, no one could confirm Harry was in the car. Right afterwards C&C left in a car with clear glass so everyone can see them. Harry may have gone out another exit while they were all taking pictures of the blackout car.
Charles I only have 40 minutes for you darling boy after flying all this way to see me, really annoys me. I rather believe they’re spending more time together out of the press eyes
This visit was at Charles behest. He needed to say something in person?? Possibly at William s insistence?? Sign away your COS and any right to be a future regent to George. In other words, you’re fired, dear boy.
Libra, I keep coming back to the fact that Harry is not domiciled in the UK. He doesn’t have a home. I thought to be a CoS or Regent, you had to be domiciled.
Harry is on his way back. He was pictured at the airport. So it really was only for a 30 min meeting
tinfoil tiara over here. Do you think CRex asked Harry to come back and he said No Way ? I know people said it is normal for rich people to take long flights for short meetings, but why see him now ? Why does he need to see him before treatments ?
Because the treatments (radiation or chemo) leave you absolutely bone-tired and nauseous. My guess is he’ll be under treatment for about 6 weeks followed by several weeks of recovering. Cancer treatments are not for the faint of heart.
And I’m back my lovely Celebitchy friends, very sore, very tired but still alive (much to mine and prof Watsons surprise) got three holes in my tummy that have to heal, cancer is still spreading (nasty little bugger) but they were able to clear a bit of the blockage.
Now, Harry stayed with Beatrice and eduardo last night! That’s why her car was seen. The press know nothing, but my friend Heather does!!! Everyone saw the helicopter take of, but did anyone see Charlie get in it??
There is something afoot within the Royal family and we won’t be seeing William after today for a while??? Really, no fancy slippers 😂😂let’s all look and listen AFTER Harry and Megan have been to Canada, (a commonwealth country!?!?)
Welcome back @MARY PESTER! I love your comments and would hate for you to miss out on all of the shenanigans and tomfoolery going on between the KP/BP incompetent staffers and hysterical Rota rats.
Welcome back @mary pester❤️! Good to have you back. And yea just as William is about to go MIA again🙄
Huzzah, Mary Pester, I have been thinking about you and wondering how you were getting on. So pleased to see you back with your spot on commentary on things Windsor. Take care of yourself, and sending healing wishes your way.
@MARYPESTER, so glad you’re back! You’ve been missed ♥️
So good to see you back!
Welcome back, Mary!!
interesting that he stayed at SJP with Beatrice and Edo.
Keep fighting, MP!!! I’m awed of your strength, resilience, and great humor! You make me laugh, make me think, make me smile with all of your comments. Keep on keeping on–we’re all rooting for you here!!!
Hurray, Mary Pester!
Mary!! Been thinking about you! And thanks again for your inside info, it makes sense that he’d stay with Bea and Edo. You are indefatigable my love, keep the comments coming!
Hope you get well soon Mary!
Glad you’re back Mary! We love you!
Whoop, whoop! Hey @MaryPester, glad you’re back!! Sorry about the soreness & associated crapola you’re going through. 💗. But! Thanks for the intel from your friend Heather!!
❤️
So glad to see you’re back, and thanks for the tea!!
Yay! So good to see you posting again, @Mary Pester.
Mary Pester, I’ve been thinking about you a lot in the last few days, and hoping that I would see a comment from you!!!! So happy that you’re back. I’m sorry that you’re sore, but I hope that heals well and you’re more comfortable than you were.
Thanks for the scoop from your friend. It sounds like things are going to be get more and more interesting.
I’m looking forward to your witty comments!
Welcome back Mary x
Welcome back, Mary Pester!
The RF coughed up some bullshit just for you!
Welcome back Mary! Keep it up.
@Mary Pester: Oh, how wonderful, you’re back.
I was wondering…
Anyway, looking forward to your postings again – I love your wicked humor and your total abhorrence of fig leaves. Naked truth & open words – me likes. 🙂
I think it’s pretty certain Charles was on the flight. His helicopter was videoed taking off from BP then was videoed landing at sandringham. No reason to obfuscate about that.
Much love Mary 💜💜
So delighted to see you back here Mary Pester! I hope your healing is progressing smoothly. I’ve missed your comments— and I love that you’ve returned with interesting insider information. Please tell your friend Heather that she’s much appreciated too!
Wishing you all the best!
was Harry carrying a clothes hanger? that’s the detail I want to know
@One of the Marys 😭
thank you for the laugh!
Welcome back Mary Pester!
Let’s see if the BM Rats will demand for Willy to come out next week and I also wonder how is that going to work because Charles is on medical leave for now and the heir doesn’t want to work. Oh dear…… no wonder the Rats are angry at Harry for not staying more than 26 hours they are mourning what could have been if they were not so stupid.
So people are speculating that Harry must have come for 45 minutes because he needed to sign something. I think it’s more like a final goodbye because Charles is sicker than they’re saying. I suspect he’s known about his cancer for awhile. Probably had a complete work up when his mom died of cancer. It’s why he didn’t make Willyboy wait to become PoW. This public revelation is because the end is near. Willy knows it and is freaking out. The news was shared at Christmas, and something related to it perhaps played a factor in what’s going on with Kate.
@Rapunzel, IDK what I even believe at this point, but of all of the theories that have been thrown around recently, this one seems the most plausible to me.
Although it still doesn’t explain Kate…
It might if William wants shot of Kate before he ascends the throne, and told her so. That might be the straw that broke the camel’s back, if it’s MH thing.
And the business of being in hospital and having some sort of complications could still be true regardless of Charles’ health. It could just be a horrible coincidence.
He flew all the way over there for a 45-minute meeting? Really bad look for Charles. Harry looks like a loving son (because he is, even if his family doesn’t love him) and Charles looks like the jerk that he always has been. Will be interesting how they spin this to make Harry the villain again.
Minimizing contact with Cam & any royal household staff is another good reason for Harry to stay in a hotel. It saves him the effort of conversation with anyone other than his father & protects him from people who’d report their maybe distorted observations & leak to the ever-hungry press.
Maybe I’ve been lurking here too long, but I’ve recently, as in a few minutes ago, sprouted my own tinfoil tiara: The sidepiece just has to wait for Harry to get home, then give her rats permission to spill the tea on the Wails/Kkkhate, and then blame in on H&M. “See, they leak everything. No one betrayed the POW’s privacy until Harry got here.” I can see it.
I suspect your idea is correct.
Yup. It occurs that if anyone leaks now, it will all be blamed on Harry and Meghan.
This actually sounds exactly like them.
Oh man, for the Sussexes’ sake, I hope this isn’t true. But it is for sure the type of move right in Camilla’s wheelhouse.
Harry traveling all that way to see he father was good. When he arrived his father could give him less than half an hour. William was being petulant saying he didn’t want to speak to Harry . Harry was polite smiled and was treated like a leper. He wasn’t even offer a room. I would have went home as well. At least he’s going home to a family that love him and he has invictus hand over next week.Harry has shown himself to be more of a statesman than Charles or William.
I feel so bad for Harry. His family are colder than an iceberg. Thank god he met Meghan.
I suspect C&C have tried intensely to convince William to follow their lead and go public and be transparent about Kate’s medical situation. But instead William chose to hide with Kate and kids in his bunker, perhaps he is mentally in a state of shock and refuses any help.
In his desperation Charles may have used his own illness as a deflection to pressure Harry to come over, hoping that Harry may talk some sense into William to cooperate with the King and his courtiers at Buckingham Palace to inform the public properly and get the royal show going.
That is my explanation why the conversation between Charles and Harry lasted only 45 minutes. William and his lack of leadership is at the center of this royal crisis.
He’s always smiling when he leaves the UK. Love to see it 😂😍
Right? And it just occurred to me that paps must be trying desperately to get a shot of Meghan in montecito but the rainstorm has likely prevented it from happening. Oh well. Too bad.
His family will be so happy to see him, I’m sure.
The Fail has now got a picture of Meghan driving and a made up a very stupid headline.
Thank you for the update! I’m glad Harry is getting off salt isle and he is safe. Harry did what was in his heart and he will live with no regrets.
I am wondering if Kate maybe had a post op stroke.The reason her return date keeps getting put back is she been physically impaired in some way. Can’t talk or partial paralysis. Maybe they are hoping to see a better recovery from her so she can go public again. Just a theory
I would say it is very possible. She is in no condition to speak – that is why no “thank you for support” statements, because once they tell what happens it it will be ridiculous. Or she is pulling a Charlene but I think they would find a way to deal with it faster.
All this secrecy suggests they don’t know what is going to happen, if or when she’ll recover from whatever.
Sorry but Harry needs to take a page from Meghan’s book on how to deal with a P👁S father. 45 minutes? Give me a break.
What if the hotel was Harry’s choice? In his shoes I would probably trust a hotel and private security more than anything inside the palace.
Safe travels home, Harry. You accomplished what you wanted in your own inimitable style. You’ve constantly proven to be a loving loyal son despite all the garbage that gets thrown at you. Your family doesn’t deserve you. Let them fester in their rotten world while you continue to live your best life here in America with your own loving family.
And despite William’s two appearances, why is he crawling back in his hole? What’s going on?
Harry is such a stealth warrior. I absolutely love that he dodges the British media so effectively.
He’s also a thoroughly decent man who crossed an ocean to see his sick father. The contrast with William couldn’t be sharper.
If anyone is being played it’s the British people who are stuck with terrible-dad Charles and angry, lazy Willy.
Over 4 thousand comments in the DM all anti -Harry, not one gives him any credit for being a good son. Vicious, vile people. I have to remind myself that hopefully not everyone feels this way in the U.K..
buckets o’bots paid for by the royal family. I’ll bet a hundred bucks that Royal Foundation money goes towards buying bots
When l go to the Daily Fail comments I always click on the worst rated section and you will see positive comments there about Harry.
It doesn’t matter if every single person in the UK is anti-Harry. He wanted to visit his ailing father, so he did. And now he’s coming home to where people don’t hate him.
Trying to find positive comments on DM about Harry is like trying to find Biden voters among Fox news viewers. That isn’t what it is designed for. DM has been steadily sending out negative news about Harry into the world close to a decade now. Why would anyone reading that support Harry or say nice things about him or Meghan? Why would you expect that?
Thank you for some common sense people. It’s like clicking on a NY Post or Fox News article about kamala harris. You won’t find a positive comment anywhere. These sites intentionally pedal the most negative views of Biden, Kamala Harris, immigrants, Harry and Meghan…anything woke. It’s more surprising to find negative comments about the royals since those pages especially the DM act like they are untouchable Gods.
I’m wondering why, in the middle of all this mess, it’s necessary to drag this Mark Dyer person—who’s got his own cancer ordeal (no one “recovers” from stomach cancer)—into it. Is he a source for the article? It doesn’t seem so, in the clip quoted.
And at first they refer to him as a mutual friend, then not that he counseled the boys after Diana’s death. So he’s going to be an old dude, a functionary of some sort, and may well have at one point had some insider knowledge? And yes, why bring his cancer into the discussion. These RRs have no boundaries.
He’s only 53 and is a former Welsh Guards officer. He was a royal equerry and served Prince Charles until the mid-1990s. He’s not some lowly functionary, he’s had a successful career buying, running and selling successful bars and pubs.
Mark had an important role with Charles when Harry was a teenager and I think he was a father figure to Harry. He took him on the trip to Botswana I believe when Harry was like 17 (Sorry my details are sketchy as my copy of Spare has been lent out to friends and never returned!). He was in the ‘band of brothers’ picture of Harry’s best friends at his wedding. I wonder if that friendship survived Harry’s move to the US. Mark would have been a ‘company’ man in the Royal Family and perhaps was one of those who did not approve of Harry speaking out. I feel like the tabloids know which friends Harry has lost and like to remind him of that. They are so vile.
I think Mark is Team Harry. The press call him Harry’s “second father”. Mark was/is involved with Sentebale and when news of Charles cash for honors debacle broke and they were trying to drag Harry and Sentebale into it, Mark was stated as telling them that Harry tried to warn the palace the guy was shady. I can’t remember all of the details, but Mark basically had Harry’s back. So I think he knows how the “Firm” really behaves.
Mark is believed to be one of Archie’s godfathers. I think they are still extremely tight. To have his ‘second father’ as well as his actual father dealing with cancer must be very hard emotionally. Mark is a bright hair ginger—I think Harry said once he helped him appreciate it. I don’t know why the press is dragging him into it.
Mark Dyer is listed in the acknowledgements for SPARE. Harry is one of the godfather’s to Mark & Amanda’s son Jasper. Jasper was a page boy in H&M’s wedding. Mark Dyer was an usher? at H&M’s wedding. Have no idea how close he was to William. Some nefarious RR tried linking Dyer to being Harry’s father because, of course, he’s a ginger too!
From all reasonable accounts, Dyer is a good man.
The tabloid British Media is dragging Dyer’s name into because they made a big deal out of Harry not flying over for Dyer’s surgery in 2022. It’s what they do. They don’t know (as much as I don’t) what communications take place between Harry and fill in the blank.
Harry flew over and saw his father. They can’t claim he didn’t try. And, it looks like he had special security.
Dyer is Welsh. I’m sure (l/s) that means he is super close to William too.lol Since William is PoW and all. Cause ya know, that’s all it takes.smh
Mark Dyer is Archie’s godfather and was a mentor and close friend to both Harry and William after Diana died. His son Jasper is Harry’s godson and was a page boy at Harry’s wedding. Dyer was also one of Harry’s ushers at his wedding. Furthermore, Dyer is a trustee of Sentebale, the charity co-founded by Harry and Prince Seeiso of Lesotho in 2006.
@bisynaptic — a good friend of mine recovered fully from stomach cancer. That was in 2008 and she’s as healthy as a horse to this day. Maybe do some research before you make a medical diagnosis.
I’m glad he’s going back home.
As someone who has had to make these kinds of calls — the question becomes: what decision will make it possible for you to live with yourself? What kind of person do *you* want to be? So you get on the plane, you do your duty, you reach out … and if you’re lucky, and get good therapy or have a loving spouse who understands … you get to the point where you can separate that from expectations.
You go, you do what you should do, and if they’re closed to you still, that’s not on you. It’s really all you can do at a certain point.
Same here, very similar scenario.
I cannot say how much it bothers me when some in the Squad just decide to saddle up and buy into whatever narrative the British tabloids are spinning. All those ridiculous pearls-clutching yesterday, “OMG it was just 45 minutes!” For god’s sake you guys, where have y’all been for the last 6 years? I was so perturbed by all the fantasies and speculation about reconciliation that occurred prior to Harry’s visit, and that was floated not only by the tabloids but by some of you Squadies. Some of us kept saying, he’s just going to see is ailing father, that’s it. And perhaps he had to sign some documents as well. Regardless, no body from Harry’s camp told y’all that he was going there to spend a long visit reconciling with his father. This just has to stop you guys. Put the devise down occasionally and go touch some grass.
Harry got played. Like a fiddle. Sure, Charles “welcomed” being able to crook his finger and have his “darling boy” come running at his beck and call. I bet Charles loves nothing more than being able to control a situation, and Harry, even if it means exploiting his son’s love for him only to diss him. If Charles had wanted to spend a meaningful amount of time with Harry he would not have scheduled to helicopter off to Sandringham so quickly after Harry’s arrival in London. It speaks good of Harry that he went to see Charles but bad of Charles that he scampered off as he did to Sandringham. It also says to me that Harry doesn’t see Charles yet as the turd that he really is.
I respectfully disagree. I think Harry knows his father very well and had no expectations of anything different. This is his last parent and he didn’t get to say goodbye to his mom. I don’t know Charles’ prognosis and hopefully its good and he recovers fully. But chemo at his age could be very difficult depending on the type of cancer and the stage. In most of my family who have had cancer diagnosis the chemo treatments made them so much sicker and didn’t give them more time. It just made the time they had left awful. These were terminal cases of cancer and I know that in many cases chemo/other treatments work for other people but that hasn’t been my experience. I’m rooting for anyone on this thread who themselves in this position and hoping for the best for you all. It might be that the next time Harry sees Charles he is in much worse shape.
I had late 3rd stage 3 years ago diagnosed when a 2 hr surgery turning into 8 hrs, followed by 6 mo chemo. I’ve been cancer free except for 3 mo a year & half ago when a scan caught some microscopic traces starting up again. so another round of chemo knocked it. Knock wood. Chemo does work but it all depends on many factors. So many lives saved. But case by case situation even if there are enough stats to make conclusions.
I think Harry’s pretty clear how shitty Charles is.
Charles is still his dad so Harry being the mature and sensible person that he is, takes the high road. I don’t think Harry expects Charles to change because of cancer.
Charles is still Charles. Harry is still Harry, and that’s why we love him.
Please climb down from the ledge May, because you are absolutely wrong. Nobody told you that Harry went to London because Charles had promised him an extended visit. All the goodwill on this visit is absolutely on Harry’s side. Harry is behaving as people in normal, regular families do: when you have a seriously ill father, you set aside your (justifiable) grievance long enough to pay him a visit. It takes nothing away from Harry, whatsoever, to have flown over for a short visit, and be back quickly in Cali where his true family resides. It’s unfortunate that too many folks in this world arrive at adulthood and still don’t understand that doing the right thing should never depend on other people’s behavior or reaction. I am very proud of Harry for his growth and maturity.
Climb down from the ledge? @proudmary, I never assumed or said that Charles promised to spend more time with Harry upon his arrival in London. I am just going from the facts. They met for a very short period of time after Harry flying all the way from California. By some reports 45 minutes. By other reports only 17 minutes. My point was that Charles uses his son’s love for him to further an agenda or to publicly diss him. We know this from Harry’s past experiences of Clarence House leaking against him to the press to further Charles’ aims or image at the expense of Harry and then Meghan. No loving father would treat his son this way and it plays out, IN PUBLIC, as Charles being dismissive of Harry – whether true or not. Appearances matter, as we know, especially to the Royal family.
@May, I think we are in general agreement about Charles being a crap dad. Charles was a better PoW than being king IMO. I know it’s a little too soon and I may revise this opinion.
Being PoW, Charles did his own thing, dove into conservation and architecture with passion. Never mind that his ideas are often unworkable as real people don’t have Charles’s wealth and resources. As PoW, his sons and their spouses were the headlines. He might have been miffed, but it kinda gave him and Camilla some cover while scrubbing Camilla’s image.
Now that he’s the regent, he is more confined by the institution and can demand the OTT news coverage about himself. He can shut down news about Kate and green light OTT articles about how everyone loves Charles and wishes him well.
Finally, Charles needs the Sussexes to be easy targets, like the right wing press needs those fearsome foreigners and non-whites Brits to blame all the country’s woes on. This is the Firm’s tactic when Harry and Meghan were working royals then to now, as they lead their own financial independent lives in the US.
@May, it is well established that Charles is a horrible father and generally just a piece of shit as a person. It’s also well known that he’s always willing to use his sons for his own agenda, and to throw them under the bus in the media whenever needed.
HOWEVER, none of that reflects poorly on Harry. Not one bit. We have no idea what Harry was told before he made this trip. Harry did what he thought was right, and what he wanted to do. In no way should you make any assumptions about him being “played” or tricked.
Harry knows better than anyone *exactly* who Charles is, and he still made the choice to go to England. Harry is the one who is going to have to live with his decision, and he did what he believed was right. Harry is a better person than his father will ever be.
@lorelei and @kit, I agree with most of what both of you have said however I disagree that it is well established that Charles is a s*** father, at least in terms of Harry’s eyes. He seems to excuse Charles ill behavior and repeated overtures on Harry’s part, which I might add I specifically said shine well on him, only seem to have served to make him, and his family by extension, fodder for the tabloid press. By saying that I believe that Harry was played I in no way intended to mean that what he did was not a good act or that he is stupid. Just that he continues to give Charles the benefit of the doubt when it is not deserved. Either that or he knew that he was setting himself up to be a target for further dismissive behavior by Charles and the tabloid press. Something I would never do. I just don’t think that we can assume that there is some grand plan on the part of the Sussexes that is being played out, or that signatures are required, or that business was accomplished, or that Charles wants a rapprochement, etc. I just think it’s a simple matter of a son who loves his father who is incapable of reciprocating in kind and just keeps playing him. And, yes, as far as I am concerned, being set up as a target is being played.
Okay folks, this is hilarious but a pissy missive has just been launched by Charles about Harry’s visit. Robert Jobson, who is Charles’ mouthpiece and official biographer, just stated in an article that “although Charles was perhaps touched by his ‘darling boy’s’ gesture in reality it has caused ‘some disquiet by “taking it upon himself” to fly over unbidden’. He later states that Charles was miffeded by having to wait for Harry’s arrival to depart for Sandringham. Anyone familiar with the Royal reporters would know that this is coming from Charles or his camp. I suppose we can wait and see if Charles shuts down this narrative that Harry was uninvited and inconvenienced his father. Oh and yes, he could shut it down if he wanted to. Unless he played his son and made him a much-needed target to distract from other matters going on within the Royal family.
@MAY and what exactly do you think would have happened if he hadn’t gone to see his father? It would completely overshadow Invictus next week. There would be tons of opinion pieces about “where is Harry’s compassion” “he’s a hypocrite” blah blah.
You see how mad people are at William for looking uncaring and lazy in regards to Charles. Imagine that furor times a thousand on Harry but especially Meghan?
I feel like it’s not clicking?!! The worst position would have always been not to go.
No reasonable human being can fault him for going to see a sick father whatever the level of estrangement. It’s something a lot of people can relate to.
@susie, “I feel like it’s not clicking?!! The worst position would have always been not to go.”. And I think the only way to kill or quiet the beast (tabloid press bilge and Royal machinations) is to starve it. No public overtures. Better yet, none at all.
@susie, the only way to kill or quiet the beast (rabid tabloid press and Royal machinations) is no contact with the problematic Royals. Or, at the very least no public overtures.
@may
Harry and Meghan were quiet for almost a year and that didn’t kill any headlines. I’m been following Meghan since Suits. She’s only been seen a handful of times this year and she’s headline news every week. Same for Harry.
The British media profit off anything Harry and Meghan. It doesn’t matter what they do or don’t do.
They went to Jamaica for a movie and there’s a weeks worth of insanity. They weren’t seen almost all of December and January yet we still had tons of drama from the tabloids about them. They didn’t feed any of it.
So again what do you expect them to do? Because whether they breathe or don’t breathe the British media is still talking about them and creating narratives about them.
@May — no, Harry was not played by his father. He did exactly the right thing. He was apprised of his father’s cancer diagnosis, went immediately to see him, and got the details on his treatment. That is all. That is Harry’s MO — he acts with integrity and compassion, and believe me, NOBODY *plays* Harry anymore, those days are over.
Thank you.
Some people don’t want to believe Harry’s the better person. And way sharper than what British media likes to portray Harry.
I don’t believe Jobbo. The security was arranged and met Harry’ s plane. They knew when he was coming, he couldn’t just show up uninvited and Jobbo knows that. I think that Jobbo and the rest of the Rota were planning to write a slew of nasty articles about how “Harry flies off to Vancouver but couldn’t be bothered to come see his sick father!” Well, so much for that. I’m sure that if Charles supposedly told both of his sons last week, Harry asked or Charles asked Harry to come and they agreed upon this date. But again, Jobbo is making Charles look like a shitty father because what kind of dad would complain about his son flying in to meet him? “How dare you care about my well being? The nerve!” Way to go Jobbo.
My take is Harry came to visit his dad because he cares about his dad. Quick brief hug and how’s everything and then to brass tacks. Charles and the Firm wanted Harry to come back temporarily to work while Charles and Wills are off recovering. Harry said no. More back and forth business and then quick conclusion of said meeting. Then Chuck and consort fly off to one of many palaces. Harry comes home. The Sussexes are heading into rough water because with no meaningful royal sightings to report on for the next month or more, the rabid rota will exert more money and ammunition to hunt the Sussexes down. And you know the British press, with the Firm’s tacit approval, treats Archie and Lil like captured animals, free for them to abuse.
Kate’s still missing. William acting like a guilty man-child. Royal Press muzzled cause things are that bad. The British economy still sucks. The weather, brutal right now. Hope Sussex supporters are ready.
February 7, 2024 at 12:41 pm
My take is Harry came to visit his dad because he cares about his dad. Quick brief hug and how’s everything and then to brass tacks. Charles and the Firm wanted Harry to come back temporarily to work while Charles and Wills are off recovering. Harry said no. More back and forth business and then quick conclusion of said meeting. Then Chuck and consort fly off to one of many palaces. Harry comes home. The Sussexes are heading into rough water because with no meaningful royal sightings to report on for the next month or more, the rabid rota will exert more money and ammunition to hunt the Sussexes down. And you know the British press, with the Firm’s tacit approval, treats Archie and Lil like captured animals, free for them to abuse.
Kate’s still missing. William acting like a guilty man-child. Royal Press muzzled cause things are that bad. The British economy still sucks. The weather brutal right now. Hope Sussex supporters are ready.
Your average British 3 star and up hotel is a hell of a lot nicer than those shabby, drafty, musty, dusty palaces. I’m sure he spent a comfortable night and had a great shower before he flies home to his real family.
25 hours. This is why I wish some Sussex fans would give Harry a little credit. Every time it’s announced he’s going back to the UK it’s “he doesn’t know what he’s doing he’s desperate to be united with his family can’t he see how they treat him” except Harry leaves in a literal day pretty much every time. That doesn’t seem like a man who is “desperate to be united with his family”.
Harry flew in and checked in on his dad like every decent child does. And maybe he knows Charles wouldn’t give him more than 30 minutes and he’s fine with it. Because he did his main job and that was to pay Charles a visit no matter how brief.
I think people are over thinking it. Harry has the means to jet over and back to see his sick father who he has not seen in some time. He is going to Canada next week, imagine the shrieking from the press had he not seen charles. The time spent together is no shock given how the family operates. Harry loves his father and I assume he knows by now he will not change. It’s as simple as that. This has nothing to do with william or kate or anything more.
This is exactly what I think too. And I’ll add one extra bit, Harry wants the focus next week on invictus, not that he hasn’t seen his father. Him going to the UK immediately the cancer diag was revealed was strategic. Sure, they’ll still shriek next week but he took one (big) weapon off them. Very strategic.
Exactly this! Chuck, Cannot, and Willnot are sidelined and won’t be swanning around for attention, and the media can’t cry bad son Harry.
OK you lovely, lovely people, thank you so much for the warm welcome back, you made me quite emotional. I can’t promise to be here every day, but I will make my days count, and the minute my friend Heather (remembered how I told you all her nana and mum worked at Balmoral so she grew up with Harry and William) comes up with more info I will let you know x
Thank you Mary!
Yes, thank you! Be well Mary.
Thank you mary
Big hugs to you Mary!!
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Mary, again welcome back! Just sit and enjoy all the Susscess!
@Mary Pester…I enjoy your post so much..
I wish you the very best…stay blessed.
Good to hear from you Mary , hope to keep hearing from you too .
I sometimes picture you writing your scathing comments with a cheeky grin on your face .
Take care .
Re: Kate and William. It’s about them.
I don’t blame people for speculating when the press has been running wild. The handling by the palaces and the rota set up this riddle. The rota and official press briefings made it so. Look it’s not coincidental that today, the Guardian ran the same story as Murdoch’s London Times about Charles’ Canadian Air Force 11 minute exercise set as part of his AM ritual. Seriously, how unserious is that?! I mean the health news has been grim times for little England harkening back to Churchill and the London blitz. Stiff upper lip and all that. (Was the news drop about Charles’s Canadian Air Force exercise program a plan to endear Charles to Canada, particularly its military with the Sussexes’ Invictus meeting coming up? Who knows? But it’s entirely within the royal petty MO and British passive aggressive character.)
When you see non- tabloid newsfeed, the so call more serious press, run OTT coverage while throwing knives at Harry and shade about William’s absence, it’s definitely about missing Kate.
The more the BRF and its media try to make Kate disappears, the more fixated and prominent Kate is in everybody’s mind.
“The more the BRF and its media try to make Kate disappears, the more fixated and prominent Kate is in everybody’s mind.”
This is exactly what I don’t understand— how they don’t see this. It is clear as day to every single one of us, yet they continue to stick with this same playbook, even though the rampant speculation is making things so much worse.
I realize they’re incompetent, but it is so beyond obvious at this point that it’s baffling that they haven’t pivoted to…anything else. I don’t expect the truth from them (god forbid), but for god’s sake, come up with SOMETHING plausible.
The Royal Canadian Air Force exercise program has been renowned for at least 60 years as an esp effective regime. My very fit mother (who would be 100 if she were alive today) used to do it when I was a child.
@Kit — the 5BX and 10BX programs can be as long as you want them to be. They are highly effective and my father did them every morning and evening for decades. Even today, exercise gurus agree that short bursts of intense activity several times a day are very effective. Apparently they worked for my dad, he lived to 90.
I’m sure Crocmilla was hovering in the background looking at her watch while Chuck and Harry were talking. She can’t let that go on for too long, lol. Anyway, Harry is a good son and he did his duty to his father. The ball is back in the UK royal court now. The Sussexes can continue moving on and let the others figure things out. If anyone got played it was the press because basically they got a 45 minute apparently cordial meeting between father and son and that’s it. Harry has left the building so they can go find Kate now.
@msiam; actually it is a good thing that Camilla was witness to the conversation. That way, when Harry gets accused of leaking, he can point to her and say ,not me, I have a witness.
I honestly wonder if Harry records every interaction he has with these people on his phone. I’m just a peasant, and I’ve used the little voice memo thing on my iPhone a few times when I want to be certain of what was said in a meeting or by a doctor or something.
Harry knows with certainty that the RF and its employees are going to lie and try to blame everything under the sun on him to the media, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he protects himself.
Even the mere threat of being recorded might keep them in line.
Lorelei, given Harry was ilegally phone tapped and recorded and been in court over it, I think there’s very little chance he’d be surreptitiously recording the King.
@Lorelei, that would be a stupid move (and may be illegal?). When they lie, what is he gonna do? Send the tapes to the press? Then, they would hang him on the press for recording his own family, even when the tape proves he was telling the truth. Imagine the derangers even now commenting on everywhere about Netflix cameras, they would rejoice.
Doesn’t cancer treatment destroyed your immune system? I thought KC already started treatment. I think that likely played a role in the short visit. Charles isn’t supposed to be around people right now.
Yeah, Charles isn’t supposed to be around people because of….treatment.
Cue photos everywhere of Charles with Sunak, Camilla, a very large retinue of servants, care givers, press people, photographers, the Red Box with important papers handled by important ministerial heads, etc.
Charles, if we are to believe his own press briefings, is hearty and nimble today, much like a goat per Camilla, due to his clean living and the 11 minute Canadian military exercise regimen.
Tomorrow, of course, is another day, and we may be back wearing black on the Telly again….
To me, Harry has mastered his strategy in dealing with the palace machinery, his father and jealous brother.
He released a statement that he ‘will visit his father soon’, but travelled the same day to prevent the UK rags and the whole media industry to run their narratives and to tarnish his name upfront. They were taken aback and were big mad – lots of money was lost.
Harry is making Dragon moves. They can’t fully rely on palace leaks anymore. I love it.
Regarding the “He stayed in a hotel”crap.
Again, this rag made sh *t up that the other press/media propagate. They know nothing about that. Just like the last time when the made sh*t up that he asked to stay in a royal residentce. Why would Harry want to want anything to do with these accommodations and humulate himself, after being evicted from the UK family home he had established, and had paid the lease for years in advance?
The UK tabloids tracked his every movements by the minute, from the time he arrived at and departed from LAX, all the way into the UK and Clarence House. If they knew that H was staying in a hotel, they would have stalked him there and beyond.
They hate it that they’ve lost contol, but will keep pretending that they still have some control over Harry’s life and movements.
Agree , that’s why they’re doing more of their rogue and outrageous reporting for Any clicks and attention . Super super desperate. In a way, they’re also on life-support and it’s almost a straight line.
We don’t Harry’s schedule, this might have been the best time for him to make the trip. But whatever, the tabloids are going to stand on their heads to say something unkind. There is no getting around it.
Whhhhy would harry come out if there wasn’t dire shit to hash out? Either his father is sicker than they want to believe, his brother can’t deal or….I dunno
I seriously don’t understand the optics of any of it.
Stayed at a luxury hotel and headed home 24 hours in all , with his lovely trusty bodyguard by his side .
Well done Harry you have your priorities just right .
I would be so proud to be your mum ,
I can believe it was partly bc he has IG next week and this way the papers won’t have headlines about him traveling to Canada but refusing to travel and see his dad who has cancer. That and his own peace of mind.
Now the DM are saying that Harry wasn’t invited. Harry apparently took it upon himself to visit his father. Charles was kept waiting because Harry was late. Apparently Harry’s visit caused chaos and unrest. All the Royals are most upset. These tabloids cannot make up gheir minds what story to spin they are all over William tonight are he has Tom Cruise as a guest. Then William is disappearing into the dark countryside to nurse his ailing wife.
@kay, I just read this and am beyond irate. The calls of ” Harry come home see your sick father “have been replaced by “he wasn’t even invited. ” This poor man can do nothing right in their eyes. Why does he effing bother anymore?
@libra, “Why does he effing bother anymore?”. Exactly.
@kay, I posted something up above about this recently to illustrate my point about Harry having been played, at least in part by way of being made a target for the tabloid press (distraction?), by Charles but I’m not sure if it is posting. Make no mistake this is coming from Charles. Robert Jobson is his mouthpiece and official biographer. He would not be saying this if it did not come directly from Charles or his camp.
You don’t think Harry knew that before he went. Ultimately it was probably for his own peace of mind. If there’s been 2 days of postive news about Harry visiting his father. Claiming he wasn’t invited isn’t a good look for the royal family considering he’s a son visiting a sick man which any child would understand. Y’all stop falling for the British media talking points.
I feel like this needs to be repeated.. The British media especially Daily Mail will always find a negative spin for anything Harry and Meghan do. It’s just their reality since the Australian tour.
They have to continue to. do what they feel is best. Harry already said he’s fine with whatever they write about him but he’ll keep fighting and doing what’s right and he’s stuck to that.
@Polo, I think it’s the usual attempt to chip away at Harry’s kindness. It’s stealthy. I give people the benefit of doubt, but eventually, they do themselves in with their constant shades.
Harry doesn’t need an invitation to go see his elderly father who just got over TURP surgery and subsequently diagnosed with cancer, c’mon people? Regardless of what the tabloids say, Harry was in his right to go visit with his ailing father before that father passes on, no invite required, end of discussion.
@kit
I don’t get people sometimes lol.
Imagine if Charles passed away next week. The British media and public would spend weeks claiming Harry never visited his father when he had the chance.
They already tried to do the same when Elisabeth died. He’s taken that narrative out of the equation.
How Charles reacts to it is not his problem now.
It just makes the royals look so awful just like they did at the funeral.
@ Kay,
I understand your irritation, but remember that is what the Tabloid want, they want what they say to become truth or to be viewed as truth.
They want us to doubt what we see with our own eyes. It is actually none of their business if Harry wants to go (invited or uninvited, he was invited btw, as evident by his pick-up at the airport (I guess we should doubt our own eyes)), it is his choice, and he has the choice as that is His father. He is not intruding on the Royal, that is like saying he is intruding upon himself. If you are royal by way of birth as it is known, then Harry is and will always be.
That disguisting Daily Fail story was definitely leaked to Jobo by salty Camilla, to get back at Harry regarding Spare. She most probably was kept away from that 30=45 minute father to son conversation.
If Harry reads it, hopefully he realises that it ones again has been proven that nothing will ever change.
Stay away Harry, there is no love lost with those left-behind sr. royals. This again shows that Camilla runs the show, that she will continue to leak stories about you to her tabloid and media friends, and that your father – who even in sickness and by experiencing your kindness and generosity, still allows this behaviour to happen – will forever be a sh*t father.
@advisor2u, 💯💯💯
…..And now we have heard from Tom Bower, another Royal biographer, about this trip: “I think that the monarchy in fact depends on actually obliterating the Sussexes from our state of life because their continuation is bad for us.”
At what point is Harry going to realize that his interactions, public or made public, with the Royal family will lead only to tabloid press frenzies that not only paint him and his family in a negative way but may also serve to threaten his and his family members’ lives.
Harry needs to go no contact with the senior Royals.
That @sshole Bowers would be the first to complain if the Sussexes went no contact. Karma needs to whack him upside the head quickly.
That is chilling. That man is obsessed with Meghan and punishing her.
Bower is scary. Inciting hate.
Tom Bower is a misogynistic dinosaur who acts like Meghan is a lady of the night or something. His dream would be to have Meghan put in asylum. What he says is always antiquated bs. And he’s going to say it whether Harry goes no contact or not. He’s gonna keep saying whatever the eff he says as long as Harry and Meghan are breathing. So Harry should do what what he wants.
It is none of bower business
In case anyone wants to get screenshots before it disappears:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058139/The-monarchys-future-depends-obliteration-Sussexes-royal-biographer-Tom-Bower-tells-Sarah-Vine-Andrew-Pierce-YouTube-talk-Reaction.html
Thanks but i won’t read it. Bower like Vine, Pierce and Morgan are vile human beings.
@MAY
Tom bower has been saying that since last year. In fact he wrote a whole book about it.. Nothing new but go ahead and keeping giving him the attention he craves.
Again no matter what Harry and Meghan do or don’t do Tom Bowers and the British medias message will still be the same….toxic hot mess. Ignore it
No, @polo, Bower has not previously been outright calling for the deaths of the entire Sussex family (like he does here). Since the miserable failure of his book, he has popped up occasionally and made pissy comments about the Sussexes but nothing that has gained a lot of traction in the press. He makes a crazy statement and then it goes away. This is different. Very different.
Yes he has been saying it for over a year. He said it on page six, all over gb news and even itv morning shows. This is just what he does. Nothing will change until he faces consequences for it.
He literally had an article on Newsweek that said his purpose for writing his book was to destroy Meghan.
He wants the outrage, he wants to be sued. That’s why he writes his outrageous books and says the things he says. He’s wants the attention. It’s how he makes his money.
I recall that bower spread.gossip that he heard from a source the queen called Meghan evil. The derangers and bots are saying now the queen said based on bower gossip. And of course this was brought up after the queen died.
I’ve never heard anything so bloody stupid in my life. If Harry’s visit was not arranged by BP and was unwanted, then how come he had an official security detail from the airport to Clarence’s House?
To sum up: dad gets cancer diagnosis, son flies 20h to see him. Dad gives him 13 minutes.
To find ways to twist this into “his visit was unwanted, he wasn’t invited, he just disturbed the family” you need to have really sick family.
And now they are posting pictures of Meg driving her car, smiling. Like she was some kind of mastermind behind this.
I understand both sides.
1. As king his people are suppose to bend to him and make grand gestures.
2. Man, you met with your “lost son for 45 minutes”. I wouldn’t care if Harry wanted to leave I would’ve made him stay for at least an hour. The man has been in a foreign land with no established tea time. Lol. I think Charles is living life wrong. It’s not like he is making trade deals. He has an extra 15 to spare.
3. That Oprah interview and book deal really got chuck.
I personally don’t think that’s true because Charles has said way worse. Charles tried to put his elderly cousins out. He talked about his parents with no warning. Talked about his wives.
The King is just as petty and vindictive as his heir. They really don’t think they’ve done anything wrong and they continue to behave as if Harry owes them something. He has always been too good for them. They never deserved him. So happy to hear he is going back home where he is loved and missed and safe and happy. The whole rest of them can rot in hell.
Somehow, someway it all points to whatever is/has been going on with Kate.
Whatever went on, whatever the truth, Harry did the right thing flying in to see his father. And the media headlines – UK and beyond – from the start couldn’t illustrate more vividly how much he really matters to the RF.
I’d like to think that if a child of mine cared enough about me to fly in from California then I would spend more than 45 minutes with them. Harry would not have turned up without notice so I really think that Charles could have easily delayed his departure until the next day or else invited Harry to meet him at Sandringham instead. The Royal Family are a strange bunch ….
I honestly believe that KC offered Harry a place to stay along with the security detail set up and Harry declined the invite to stay (wherever). That is how you maintain control over your own narrative and prevent leaks. The visit was a one last look, hug, handshake just in case. The RF are great at avoiding the truth. Charles may or may not have a life threatening cancer but Kate’s situation is serious and needed some covering/deflection. It’s just a matter of time before the sh** hits the fan. And it looks like Willy is on his own.