Even though I absolutely believe in tying Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein as much as possible, I actually believe that the two men had a significant falling out at some point. It’s just a matter of when. Epstein was arrested in 2006, but there’s evidence that Epstein and Trump didn’t fall out until well after his arrest. Meaning, Epstein’s arrest was not a dealbreaker for Trump at all, probably because they had the same degenerate proclivities. Just last week, Trump confessed that Epstein “stole” girls from Mar-a-Lago, including a then-teenaged Virginia Giuffre. In Trump’s telling, he banned Epstein from MAL because of Epstein’s “theft” of teenaged spa employees. Well, the Daily Beast did some digging and it looks like Epstein was still using Mar-a-Lago as a hunting ground even after his 2006 indictment. Epstein could do so because he was still a club member in good standing. Whoops.
Jeffrey Epstein continued to be a member of Donald Trump’s luxury private members club for more than a year after the billionaire financier was indicted, according to Mar-a-Lago membership documents seen by the authors of a book. The president told reporters that he cut ties with Epstein after the pedophile “stole” female workers from his exclusive Florida members club, but the revelation that Epstein was allegedly still a member of the club seven years after Epstein poached Virginia Giuffre from the spa at Mar-a-Lago in 2000 raises questions over Trump’s version of events.
Epstein was a member of the club until October 2007, more than a year after he was indicted and released on bail, according to The Grifter’s Club: Trump, Mar-a-Lago, and the Selling of the Presidency. In the footnotes of their book, the team of Miami Herald journalists Sarah Blaskey, Caitlin Ostroff, Nicholas Nehamas, and Jay Weaver reported: “The authors viewed a membership list showing that Epstein’s account had been closed.” The book reports that the “membership log shows his account at the club was closed in October 2007.”
A report in the New York Post in the same month quoted a source saying he had been banned. “He would use the spa to try to procure girls. But one of them, a masseuse about 18 years old, he tried to get her to do things,” a source told Page Six. “Her father found out about it and went absolutely ape-[bleep]. Epstein’s not allowed back.”
Guiffre’s attorney Bradley Edwards stated in a 2009 court filing that Epstein had been banned by Trump from Mar-a-Lago “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club,” although he did not specify when the assault was alleged to have happened. Edwards was approached for comment.
It is not known whether Epstein visited Mar-a-Lago while on bail. The New York Post said in the same article that Epstein denied he was banned even then and told them that he had “recently [been] invited to an event there,” although he did not name the event.
The banishment of Epstein came 15 months after he was indicted by a Florida grand jury and surrendered at the Palm Beach precinct to be charged in July 2006. Only one count of soliciting prostitution was filed against him at the time, but the case drew widespread media coverage, which disclosed allegations of his sexual contact with minors.
The twists, turns, lies and half-truths are making my head spin. As I said, I believe that Trump and Epstein really did fall out at some point, and maybe it was even about Epstein’s theft/abuse of Mar-a-Lago’s teenaged spa employees (???). But the “when” is important – clearly, Trump had a lot of knowledge about Epstein’s trafficking and abuse of girls for many years. I’m also starting to believe that Trump was somewhat fine with Epstein using Mar-a-Lago as a hunting ground, just as long as Epstein didn’t make too much noise or “steal” too many little girls. It also looks like Trump was fine with Epstein even after Epstein was arrested and indicted. So… who’s going to go back to Trump and ask him again about the “stolen” girls and when Epstein was actually banned from MAL?
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Usually if a criminal/predator can’t keep his stories straight, the media is suspicious. But, in Trump’s case, they’re just like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Michael Wollf, biographer to Donald Trump does interviews with Meidastouch network and I believe he did one with the Daily Beast. He also spend hours talking with Jeffrey Epstein. Michael Wolff was supposed to write an biography about Jeffrey Epstein but this never happened. Michael Wolff said that the fall out between Epstein and Trump was actually over a real estate deal in Palm Beach where allegedly Trump shafted Epstein. Trump did not all of the sudden grew a conscious.
I do not want to repeat what Michael Wolff said because it would be third hand account. The videos are on youtube. They are interesting and scary to watch.
We’re really starting to see the cracks in Trump’s feral political instinct. He was better off sticking with his first lie about the real estate deal. Changing his reason for the fall-out to poor Virginia Gutthries being “stolen” from his spa completely fucked up his timeline.
Apparently Vance and others (Patel, Blanche) were supposed to meet with Bondi to discuss a plan for damage control RE: the Epstein files. Who knows if that happened or not but I’m old enough to remember the “scandal” of Bill Clinton meeting Loretta Lynch on the tarmac and how that singular act of impropriety fueled weeks of Fox News stories.
Apparently, now it’s fine for the Executive to meet with the head of the FBI and the US AG over dinner. Interesting how things have changed….
I remember reading yet another theory a few years ago. That Epstein made advances on the wife of a big-deal member of Mar al Lago, at Mar al Lago, on Easter Sunday or something like that. And Trump didn’t want to lose this big-deal member, so he finally kicked Epstein out. Who knows. I could also believe the other theory about a real estate deal gone bad. Or both. None of us believes Trump actually started caring about underage girls, 7 years after Epstein poached Giuffre and 18 months after Epstein’s conviction. It’s all very shady.
But as Kaiser says, WHEN is the big question. Trump seemed fine with Epstein poaching underage girls at Mar-a-Lago, even after Epstein’s conviction.
Why were there a bunch of teenaged girls working at the MAL spa? Kinda speaks to the administrations’s knowledge of the members and owners proclivities if that’s who they chose to be providing spa services. We are members at a club and while there are teenaged life guards, the spa employees are all adults.
here’s another theory: Trump and Epstein were both witting and complicit in a honeypot scheme monitored at arm’s length by the FBI. The famous deep state. Hence the first time Epstein was arrested he was effectively given a slap on the wrist. Trump was savvy enough not to get indicted as a co-conspirator. Maybe he knew Epstein was using MAL as a hunting ground and didn’t care. Maybe his clients benefited from Epstein’s “services.” Maybe Trump was asked to turn a blind eye to activities that were being monitored by the FBI, so as to build the case against Epstein. Maybe Epstein had powerful backers who helped him fend off the feds. Maybe Trump worked with Epstein’s backers. Maybe he worked with the feds. Maybe he played them off against each other. Trump has clearly been protected, which would imply that he did some service for someone who had the ability to tilt the scales in his favour. Anyone with his record of business fraud, charity fraud, defamation, libel, sexual assault, tax avoidance, has to have some pretty influential protectors. He has to have some advocates within the deep state that he routinely derides. Otherwise, there no way that he would be at liberty, much less in office. This all follows a pattern: he points the finger at Epstein, only for the heat to come back to him. He points the finger at the deep state, only for the heat to come back to him. It’s not that subtle. It’s the classic principal / agent dilemma. Who is using whom.