White House chief-of-staff Susie Wiles: Donald Trump has ‘an alcoholic’s personality’

Last year, in the heat of the presidential campaign, Kamala Harris often said that if Donald Trump got back into the White House, it would be a different kind of Trump administration, one without guardrails or checks and balances. She was right about that and everything else. It’s depressing to think about it now, but there really were some guardrails in the first Trump term – he was surrounded by military men who were appalled by his stupidity, venality, racism, vindictiveness and con artistry. Trump was so awful, Mike Pence’s refusal to overturn the 2020 election (on Trump’s orders) looks like one of the bravest profiles in courage of the 21st century. I guess my point is that even though we knew it would be bad, Trump’s second term has truly been worse than anyone could have imagined. That’s due in large part to Trump’s chief of staff Susie Wiles, a 68-year-old woman who is terrible at her job but good at sitting back and letting everyone else commit crimes. Well, Susie Wiles spoke at length to Vanity Fair, and they published her comments in a two-part series. Go here for Part 1 and here for Part 2. Some highlights:

Her assessment of the inner circle: Trump, she told me, “has an alcoholic’s personality.” Vance’s conversion from Never Trumper to MAGA acolyte, she said, has been “sort of political.” The vice president, she added, has been “a conspiracy theorist for a decade.” Russell Vought, architect of the notorious Project 2025 and head of the Office of Management and Budget, is “a right-wing absolute zealot.” When I asked her what she thought of Musk reposting a tweet about public sector workers killing millions under Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, she replied: “I think that’s when he’s microdosing.” (She says she doesn’t have first-hand knowledge.)

Her father was an alcoholic: “Alcoholism does bad things to relationships, and so it was with my dad and me. Some clinical psychologist that knows one million times more than I do will dispute what I’m going to say. But high-functioning alcoholics or alcoholics in general, their personalities are exaggerated when they drink. And so I’m a little bit of an expert in big personalities.” Wiles said Trump has “an alcoholic’s personality.” He “operates [with] a view that there’s nothing he can’t do. Nothing, zero, nothing.”

Pardoning the J6ers: Did she ever ask the president, “‘Wait a minute, do you really want to pardon all 1,500 January 6 convicts, or should we be more selective?’” “I did exactly that,” Wiles replied. “I said, ‘I am on board with the people that were happenstancers or didn’t do anything violent. And we certainly know what everybody did because the FBI has done such an incredible job.’ ” (Trump has said his FBI investigators were “corrupt” and part of a “deep state.”) But Trump argued that even the violent offenders had been unfairly treated. Wiles explained: “In every case, of the ones he was looking at, in every case, they had already served more time than the sentencing guidelines would have suggested. So given that, I sort of got on board.” (According to court records, many of the January 6 rioters pardoned by Trump had received sentences that were lighter than the guidelines.) “There have been a couple of times where I’ve been outvoted,” Wiles said. “And if there’s a tie, he wins.”

On Elon Musk: “He is a complete solo actor,” said Wiles of Trump’s billionaire pal who led the scorched-earth blitz known as the Department of Government Efficiency. Wiles described Musk as something akin to a jacked-up Nosferatu. “The challenge with Elon is keeping up with him,” she told me. “He’s an avowed ketamine [user]. And he sleeps in a sleeping bag in the EOB [Executive Office Building] in the daytime. And he’s an odd, odd duck, as I think geniuses are. You know, it’s not helpful, but he is his own person.”

On the deportations: “If somebody is a known gang member who has a criminal past, and you’re sure, and you can demonstrate it, it’s probably fine to send them to El Salvador or whatever. But if there is a question, I think our process has to lean toward a double-check.”

The demolition of the East Wing: “Were you surprised by it?” “No,” Wiles replied. “Oh, no. And I think you’ll have to judge it by its totality because you only know a little bit of what he’s planning.” Was she saying that Trump was planning more, as yet undisclosed renovations? “I’m not telling.”

On Jeffrey Epstein: “Whether he was an American CIA asset, a Mossad asset, whether all these rich, important men went to that nasty island and did unforgivable things to young girls. I mean, I kind of knew it, but it’s never anything I paid a bit of attention to.”

She’s read the Epstein files: Wiles told me she’d read what she calls “the Epstein file.” And, she said, “[Trump] is in the file. And we know he’s in the file. And he’s not in the file doing anything awful.” Wiles said that Trump “was on [Epstein’s] plane…he’s on the manifest. They were, you know, sort of young, single, whatever—I know it’s a passé word but sort of young, single playboys together.”

She disputes Trump’s lies about Bill Clinton: Trump has claimed, without evidence, that Bill Clinton visited Epstein’s infamous private island, Little St. James, “supposedly 28 times.” “There is no evidence” those visits happened, according to Wiles; as for whether there was anything incriminating about Clinton in the files, “The president was wrong about that.”

Sleepy Don: In December, when asked about Trump falling asleep in Cabinet meetings, Wiles said, “He’s not asleep. He’s got his eyes closed and his head leaned back…and, you know, he’s fine.” What about Trump’s increasingly frequent verbal attacks on women, as when, in November, he snapped “Quiet, Piggy!” at a female reporter from Bloomberg? Wiles replied: “He’s a counterpuncher. And increasingly, in our society, the punchers are women.”

[From Vanity Fair]

Something I find interesting: Wiles halfway brags, at one point, about how there’s less “palace intrigue” during this term. And I think that’s correct, there is less intrigue. But why is that? Because Wiles doesn’t actually challenge any of these horrible men. She’s a handmaiden to Nazism, and she’s sitting back and streamlining these horrific policies. The palace intrigue of the first term happened in part because some of Trump’s inner circle disagreed with him and fought him and wanted to inform the public about how bad it was behind-the-scenes.

A hilariously stupid footnote is that hours after VF published these pieces yesterday, Wiles told the NY Times that she never said that quote about Musk and his ketamine use/abuse. From the Times: “In the interview with The Times on Monday, Ms. Wiles took issue with the quote attributed to her about his drug use. ‘That’s ridiculous,’ she said. ‘I wouldn’t have said it and I wouldn’t know.’ But Mr. Whipple played a tape for The Times in which she could be heard saying it.” Which brings me to a larger point… this isn’t “Susie Wiles is trying to get fired.” She’s just stupid, and she’s surrounded by stupid and evil men and all of them are devotedly serving a demented, sleepy, incontinent Nazi.

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33 Responses to “White House chief-of-staff Susie Wiles: Donald Trump has ‘an alcoholic’s personality’”

  1. Brassy Rebel says:

    In a weird way, they are all so stupid and incompetent that this may be the only thing that saves us. But I’m glad she notices that more and more “the punchers are women”. Apparently, Trump notices too. Thus the disgusting, escalating name calling. Finally, a big shout out to that Vanity Fair photographer. Now, that’s resistance!

  2. C-Shell says:

    There’s a serious purge of this vile admin coming — Trump can’t handle the amount of scrutiny he’s under right now, or his plummeting “ratings” — and he’ll have to send heads rolling soon.

    ETA — god knows how much worse the replacements will be!

    • Bqm says:

      He may hire people who are halfway competent because the damage to democracy will be done. He’d be going for better publicity and ratings. Because ratings and vengeance are all he cares about. If he has to dump the Hegseths he will but not for any reasons of decency.

  3. Stef says:

    She comes across as stupid, willfully ignorant, and narrates absolutely horrible things with an air of “not my problem because it doesn’t impact me personally”. She is absolutely the worst kind of woman – an enabler to the abhorrent abuse of others.

    She needs to be blasted into the sun. Looking forward to karma taking this vile person to hell and keeping her there. This interview is going to have some serious repercussions and she deserves every single one.

    • Barb Mill says:

      She’s not though. She was trumps campaign manager in 2024. Here’s a blurb from an article from Politico for 2024.
      She’s good at what she does. She’s a savvy operator, a capable manager, a spotter and cultivator of up-and-coming talent, a maker and keeper of relationships with reporters, and a sly, subtle shaper of stories that help frame the political currents that can determine the difference between a win and a loss. She’s helmed signature statewide campaigns in 2010, 2016, 2018 and 2020 — Rick Scott, Trump, DeSantis, Trump again — all of which could have been defeats but were not. “She was already the most successful, well-respected Republican operative in Florida by a long mile, and she’s now cementing that brand,” said Ashley Walker, a Democratic strategist who twice ran Barack Obama’s Florida campaigns and has worked in lobbying with Wiles. “She is,” said Joe Gruters, a former chair of the Florida Republican Party, current state senator and longtime Trump ally, “the most valuable political adviser in the country.” https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/26/susie-wiles-trump-desantis-profile-00149654

      • Brassy Rebel says:

        Well, she definitely lost the plot in these interviews. Maybe that was just a Politico puff piece. And why would a former Obama strategist praise her skills? Btw, I was yesterday years old when I learned that Pat Summerall was her father.

      • Stef says:

        Sorry, Barb, I don’t buy it. I think she’s an idiot and an enabler of some horrible men. Perhaps she was smart and successful once upon a time, but anyone with an ounce of intellect can see her for what she is today – a terrible person and a moron.

        I don’t trust a political puff pièce from years ago vs her own words today.

      • BeanieBean says:

        She found a way to support the most horrible of men.

        And, ‘…probably fine to send them to El Salvador or whatever.’???? Check the constitution! No! It is not ‘fine’!

  4. FloridaWoman says:

    Are they all so desperate to be listened to that they’ll talk to anyone at all? Did Ms. Wiles agree to being recorded and then lose time? The sheer messiness of all of this.

    It really does expose the fact that we had four years to put this criminal behind bars but money and power kept him free.

    • Bqm says:

      According to Chris Whipple the interviewer it started out as for a possible book. She probably thought it would come out down the line not now. But she sat for over 11 hours total. And he gave her the heads up that VF was going to run it and gave her the option to clarify any points. So it wasn’t an ambush and was on the up and up. She knew it was on the record.

      • Lucy says:

        That is verrrry interesting. I agree, if she thought it was for a book she wasn’t expecting quotes for 2+ years, but the fact she didn’t clarify anything is surprising.

  5. Visa Diva says:

    None of what Wiles said about the others the administration or Musk is a surprise, but her backpedaling is funny. And the photos for the VF piece are perfect, they all !look terrible.

  6. jais says:

    This last detail. “He’s a counterpuncher. And increasingly, in our society, the punchers are women.” So he’s just defending himself from all these women who are “punching’ him bc women are increasingly the “punchers” in society. JFC. That perspective is so dark. That’s how you defend him saying “Quiet Piggy.” Omfg. Can I escape this timeline and can these people be gone? Handmaiden is right.

  7. Irving says:

    I spent the first 6 months or so of this administration not being able to consume much presidential news for the sake of my own sanity. Which may be how I missed this Susie Wiles character. How exactly did she come into this job? It certainly wasn’t competence, I know that. But she’s also several decades older and decidedly less blonde than most other women in this administration. Is she a major donor, or the puppet of one?

    • lorent says:

      She was his campaign manager and I guess he liked how she did her job.

      • Jazz Hands says:

        I heard she used to work for Ron DeSantis (possibly as his campaign manager?) but she had a falling out with him and his wife over her loose lips. After that, she ended up in Trump’s orbit.

    • PunkyMomma says:

      Susie is the daughter of the late football player and sportscaster (CBS) Pat Summerall. At one time, Summerall and John Madden were THE power commentators for football, and Summerall (for decades) was the golden voice of The Masters golf tournament.

      For those CBers into pro golf, note that in the Vanity Fair photo spread, Susie is wearing a green jacket. I’m surprised Mango hasn’t directed Susie to get him a green jacket so he can claim a spot at the Champion’s Dinner.

      We all know how much Mango loves his golf.

    • Lucy says:

      She ran his 2016 campaign and was sidelined in the 2020 one. He had to apologize, or as close as he can, for her to come back for his 2024 run. I don’t doubt she’s a horrible person, but to pretend she’s incompetent or completely stupid is a dangerous mistake. I think they’re all laying ground for being thought of as buffoons with no culpability. Or, they’re trying to project certainty that this is a 1000 year administration, instead of a handful of ghouls animated by greed, hate and blackmail. I actually think they believe they’re in the 1000 year thing, because otherwise they’d be fleeing in the night instead of trying to pass off bizarre statements from a dying man as important policy.

    • Bqm says:

      She kept him on track, as much as you can, during the election so she was rewarded. She got rid of people who were running wild and kept him from acknowledging Project2025 when it started to be unpopular.

  8. nutella toast says:

    ALL of this is authorized from everyone on that cabinet because it creates a distraction and makes “everyone” at the top look “quirky” instead of evil while the Epstein Files (maybe or maybe not) roll out. We’re all talking about it. “Young Playboys” = “Locker Room Talk”. It worked the first time, it will work the second time for the people who want it to because SO many people have groped women or said skeevy stuff or wanted to say “Quiet Piggy” to every woman in their life and this kind of BS normalizes that. Lots of awful people need it to be true that it’s perfectly acceptable. Remember – VF hired Nuzzi knowing who she was so…yeah. It get clicks, and even brings some conservatives into the fold.

  9. Nicole says:

    Anyone whose known and loved an alcoholic knows that DT has an alcoholic’s personality. I am a government employee that is on her second Trump administration. When people ask me how I am, I say I’m working in the active disease of alcoholism to include the arbitrary rules, blaming, and culture of fear. For me it aint new. Thank god for 12 step meetings.

    • Paleokifaru says:

      I am an alcoholic in recovery. DT has the same personality as my ex, who rarely drinks. That personality is malignant narcissism and abusive. Drinking was my very incorrect “solution” to his steady stream of abuse. Abuse his doled out while stone cold sober, like Trump. I’m grateful to have a loving family who discovered what was happening and got me out and enabled my recovery instead of my disease. Ppl with Trumps’ personality love feeding weakness to exploit for their benefit to keep you subservient to them. And, unlike addiction, malignant narcissim is not a disease and therefore can’t be treated or cured.

      • Anne Maria says:

        Glad you got out and recovered/ are recovering. Trump may not drink, but there are certainly persistent rumours of other types of drug use/addiction. Though I agree with you that his personality is the main motivator of the horror.

  10. bisynaptic says:

    What is she trying to do, here, with this interview? Trump notoriously dislikes anyone who takes the spotlight away from him. And to call him an alcoholic personality? That’s sealing your own fate. Is she looking for an offramp? I am baffled.

  11. AngryJayne says:

    She’s an Aunt Lydia, plain and simple.

  12. Becks1 says:

    This interview is just so bizarre. did she forget she was talking to a reporter? Its like shes just kind of rambling about how awful and stupid they all are.

  13. crazyoldlady says:

    This is orchestrated nonsense – they are preparing for more Epstein news to come out. This is them softening the ground. Susie Wiles did not show up and say all that stuff because she’s sick of her job or because the reporter tricked her – this is a distraction.

    • PJM says:

      Yep. This. She snuck in that little comment that Trump is in the file but not doing anything awful. It’s all a distraction.

    • Bqm says:

      She burned Pam Bondi in other quotes which is hilarious. Said there was no list, never was and certainly wasn’t on Pam’s desk like she’d been crowing about early on.

  14. Big Earl says:

    Suzie Wiles is anything but stupid. Anyone who claims she is doesn’t know what they’re talking about. She didn’t misspeak during this interview. Wiles doesn’t ‘misspeak.’ Suzie is sending up a flare, letting us all know the worst is yet to come and she’s getting on the record while she can, how she can, because eventually, history will call for a full accounting of everyone who was part of this administration.

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