The UK govt is ‘considering’ removing Prince Andrew from the line of succession

One of the secondary effects of Prince Andrew’s arrest is going to be the slowly-dawning realization that when King Charles “stripped” Andrew of his titles last year, it was all just a half-assed, make-believe work-around with no real force of law. At a technical level, Charles didn’t even strip Andrew’s titles, because Andrew had to agree to have his titles “removed” for it to have any kind of effect. It was not a legal name change, and as royal historians made clear, Andrew is still very much Prince Andrew, the Duke of York. Not only that, but Andrew has remained in the line of succession this whole time. Well, obviously, post-arrest, Parliament and Downing Street are asking more questions and trying to figure out what they need to do to get this repulsive creature out of the line of succession at least.

The government is considering introducing legislation to remove Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor from the line of royal succession. Defence Minister Luke Pollard told the BBC the move – which would prevent Andrew from ever becoming King – was the “right thing to do,” regardless of the outcome of the police investigation.

Currently Andrew, the King’s brother, remains eighth in line to the throne despite being stripped of his titles, including “prince”, last October amid pressure over his ties to paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein.

On Thursday evening, Andrew was released under investigation 11 hours after his arrest on suspicion of misconduct in public office. He has consistently and strenuously denied any wrongdoing.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Any Questions programme, Pollard confirmed the government had “absolutely” been working with Buckingham Palace on the plans to stop the former prince from “potentially being a heartbeat away from the throne”. He said this was “something that I hope will enjoy cross party support, but its right that that is something that only happens when the police investigation concludes”.

Chief Secretary to the Treasury James Murray told the BBC that “any questions in that sphere would be quite complicated”, adding that the live police investigation needs to “play out”.

Thames Valley Police, the force which arrested him, is expected to continue searching Royal Lodge until Monday, the BBC understands. Several other forces across the UK are also considering whether to launch investigations, noted Danny Shaw, a former adviser to ex-home secretary Yvette Cooper.

“It has the danger of spiralling out of control,” Shaw told Radio 4’s Today programme. Because of this, these investigations could take “considerable time”, he added.

The government’s proposal to remove Andrew from the line of succession comes after some MPs, including the Liberal Democrats and SNP, signalled their support for such legislation. Some Labour parliamentarians who have been critical of the monarchy told the BBC they were less convinced the move was required – in part because it is so unlikely the former Duke of York would ever get near to the throne. In October, Downing Street said it had no plans to introduce a law to change the line of succession.

[From BBC]

While Andrew absolutely needs to be removed from the line of succession, it’s overwrought BS to argue that he’s “potentially being a heartbeat away from the throne.” Andrew is eighth in line, after Prince William and his children and Prince Harry and his children. That’s not a heartbeat away from the throne, I’m just saying. Andrew should be removed from the line of succession because it makes the entire family look horrible, and because actions have consequences. This is an easy argument to make: you can’t be credibly accused of sex trafficking, abusing girls and women, espionage and sharing classified information with a convicted p3do AND STILL REMAIN in the line of succession. That’s absurd. All of this hand-wringing about what to do and how to do it is pretty telling too. These are the same people who are convinced that Charles (or William) could “unroyal” Prince Harry with the swipe of a pen.

One more Andrew story rattling around the tabloids this weekend. Apparently, when King Charles tried to force Andrew out of Royal Lodge last year, Andrew reportedly ranted and threw a tantrum. A source claimed that Andrew “refused to leave or take any responsibility. When he was told to get out he was so arrogant and deluded he repeatedly shouted, ‘But I’m the Queen’s second son, you can’t do this to me.’ It is extraordinary he chose to use the Queen’s name in his defence. No one is quite sure if the reality of his dire situation has hit home even yet.”

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45 Responses to “The UK govt is ‘considering’ removing Prince Andrew from the line of succession”

  1. Sarah says:

    It’s not that hard to get to King Andrew. W&K fly around with their kids in helicopters at least weekly. One horrible accident and you’re suddenly at H&M. And what if they say no, sorry, we aren’t subjecting ourselves or our kids to this?

    It’s unlikely, but certainly not impossible.

    • Hypocrisy says:

      Anything is possible… and currently AMW is still listed in the top ten. It will be interesting to follow because it involves many commonwealth countries also.

    • Steph says:

      Right, look what happened with Kobe. Gigi was supposed to be his heir in the basketball world.

    • AMB says:

      I live in the U.S. If there’s any chance of the unthinkable happening, it’s wise to take any action possible to forestall it. It’s amazing how quickly the unthinkable can turn into reality.

    • TheOriginalMia says:

      ITA. It’s too much of a possibility for them to leave him in the succession, but the precedent will be set to remove bad actors from the succession. While many are salivating about removing Harry & his kids, the real worry is William and all the crap he’s done over the years that has been conveniently swept under the rug.

    • Christine says:

      This. Does anyone think Harry would return if William takes out his entire line by flying around with his kids? It’s actually not a stretch to imagine. I live in LA, and the sheer amount of street art dedicated to Kobe Bryant means helicopter tragedies are not ever forgotten.

      • Beth says:

        Good news for republicans. This could be a slippery slope – altering the LoS would likely open the floodgates to political scrutiny of all aspects of the monarchy. And, once seen to be possible, there will be far more calls for an elected head of state. Both here in the UK and in the 14 commonwealth realms. Yikes.

  2. Lots of dithering on Chuckles and the governments part!! Just take him from the line!!

  3. Jais says:

    But I’m the Queen’s second son! Sorry but that’s too funny if he truly said that.

  4. Amy Bee says:

    The only reason people want Andrew removed from the line of succession is to save the monarchy and to absovle them from any wrongdoing. The Royal Family knew all along what was going on and so the entire system should be abolished.

    • Mightymolly says:

      It’s increasingly hard to understand the point of the BRF. The king’s mistress is QC. His younger son successfully and gloriously extracted himself from their clutches. His brother is facing serious criminal charges of actions against the UK while being publicly revealed as part of a global sex trafficking cabal. And his heir is regularly called out for being lazy.

    • ABritGuest says:

      Exactly Amy Bee. This is why I’m not playing the former Prince Andrew game either. The monarchy is based on the idea of bloodlines only & that their special bloodline entitles them to be or potentially be head of state. It’s not about good behaviour etc. it was that system that produced Andrew. As some republicans have been saying on Twitter if you want Elizabeth you have to take Andrew too. If you want things to be based on merit etc than move to a meritocracy system altogether instead of false picking and choosing who gets to be royal

    • Becks1 says:

      Agreed. The royal family is looking for a way to stem the bleeding and this is their Hail Mary. But it’s not as easy as some think and it also leads to another issue – the derangers wanting this to be done to Harry as well, which just makes the whole thing look stupid. (I’ve seen some comments saying “yes remove Andrew because then they can remove Harry which we want”.) Any time Harry and Andrew are linked, it makes the BRF look worse and worse and I don’t get why they don’t realize that.

      Also, when you remove andrew – do you remove Beatrice and Eugenie? It makes no sense to have them in the LoS if their father, their link to the late queen, is gone.

      And then do you remove anyone who you think isn’t great for the future of the Crown? Because thats not how it works.

      • Jais says:

        It’s a slippery slope. Just like the whole only working royals can have titles. Bc then why do the Wales kids or any kids for that matter have title? They’re not working if they’re kids.

    • Hypocrisy says:

      Yes, I agree they all knew and the Monarchy should be abolished or at least defunded completely.

      • Mightymolly says:

        Maybe North Americans can sign some kinda affidavit swearing that if BP and other grand estates are converted to museums we will come in droves and spend money. Ohgawd, and if you convert them to hotels for an immersive experience, just take our credit cards!!

  5. Jensa says:

    The whole point about succession and the royal family is that it’s not merit based – it just comes down to when you were born, and who gave birth to you. That’s how you end up with deeply unimpressive people like William, and nonces like Andrew. You can be boorish, stupid, unqualified, a drunk, a criminal – but you still get the job! So actually I’m not sure I agree with excluding him from the succession. Having him there makes an important point about the royal family and draws attention to what a flawed system it is.

  6. Alex Can says:

    Prince Andrew’s arrest really highlights the monarchy’s decline and the dangers it faces . I don’t believe he would have been arrested if Queen Elizabeth was still alive because Andrew’s many wrong doings as trade envoy were well known to the government long before the release of the Epstein files, and nothing was ever done about it. But under Charles, he was arrested and the RF now has to accept that they can’t protect him like they have for years. Charles doesn’t have the same clout as his mother. Andrew’s arrest also means that senior royals are no longer above the law. It has set a precedent and that’s probably sending chills down their spines.

    • Mightymolly says:

      ITA! There was something sacred about TQ, who had been queen longer than most current generations had been alive, or at least old enough to remember. And her life was lived mostly out of the tabloids.

      Charles doesn’t have that mystique. No one does or likely ever will again.

  7. Brassy Rebel says:

    It’s not “extraordinary” that he would use the queen’s name in his defense. I mean, wtaf? She protected him from consequences for his criminality and grossness for literal decades. He knows full well if she were still alive, she would continue to protect him. Can we please stop pretending that this woman was some kind of saint? She was a horrible mother who neglected her children and picked a favorite who was allowed to do as he pleased to assuage her guilt.

    As for the titles, everything should be taken away from ALL of them. It should be clear to everyone by now that the monarchy NEEDS to be abolished. They’re just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

  8. Irving says:

    ABritGuest, Jais, and Jenna are all spot on! If when and to whom you were born is the qualifier, then nothing can disqualify you.

    But, if they did take Andrew out of the line of succession, would that also remove Beatrice and Eugenie and their children?

    • Jais says:

      I genuinely don’t know. I think they stay in the LOS? But again that just makes it look silly.

    • Lucky Charm says:

      It’s possible they remove just Andrew and it won’t affect his daughters. It might be like what they did with the Duke of Kent’s son who married a Catholic. He and his two oldest children lost their places in the line of succession because they became Catholics, but his youngest daughter did not since she was the only one not to convert from Protestant to Catholic so she is next in line after her grandfather the Duke.

  9. Papillon says:

    Eh, Andrew’s arrest is newsworthy and shocking but it’s also not the same as being charged with a crime. Just as being “stripped” of his titles hasn’t changed Andrew being Duke of York, being arrested is not the same as being charged with a crime. While there’s no statute of limitations on government misconduct, it will also be hard to prove in a court of law.

    Gordon Brown gave another memo outlining what he believes is evidence of sex trafficking out of UK airports so until he’s arrested on those grounds, this may end up being a publicity stain rather than a legal one. And by “publicity stain,” I mean Andrew will be considered terrible and continue to be enabled by his family, directly and indirectly, in terms of personal and financial support.

  10. YankeeDoodles says:

    I may be wrong, and please do correct me, but I believe since Beatrice and Eugenie are both over 18 or 21, that they remain in the line even if their father is severed from it. This isn’t exactly unprecedented — James II was overthrown by his daughter Mary & her husband William in 1688 — but it had a kind of categorical imperative, as he was deemed to be Catholic-adjacent. His second wife was Catholic and had just given birth to a son, who was expected to be raised Catholic. They were allowed to flee into exile. But the Stuart line continued to represent an intriguing counterfactual, as Mary’s sister Anne (1702-1714) had no heirs, so James III — as he was known on the Continent — was continually presented as a threat, like Harry. The solution in 1714 was to import a provincial second-string German dynasty, from Hanover, and three hundred years later, here we are…..

    • Lauren says:

      The current alternative Stuart/Jacobite heir is the fascinating Duke Franz of Bavaria head of the former royal family of Bavaria, I would love to read his autobiography if it’s ever translated to English.

  11. Constance says:

    Maybe Trump will decide to name Buckingham Palace “Trump Palace”. No one is preventing him doing whatever he wants.

  12. Durga says:

    King Andrew is exactly what the BRF and all royalists deserve. A rotten soul at the head of a rotten institution. Suck it.

  13. Dee(2) says:

    This is their consistent problem they’re never actually trying to solve the real issue, they’re constantly throwing Band-Aids on gaping wounds. Andrew’s behavior could not have been unknown. I refuse to believe that he’s become this boorish horrible person at 66.

    He should have never been allowed to be the trade envoy and have that sort of access, he should have never been allowed to make settlements with victims of sex trafficking, and he should have never been allowed to live in a palatial estate with no job at taxpayer expense for almost a decade after you found out about his various long-term and continued ties with Epstein. Trying to throw all this stuff at the wall to see what sticks now isn’t going to save them.

    I said this a few days ago but it’s the same with William and driving out Harry. In the moment when they should put a stop to stuff because it doesn’t make any sense for the long-term continued success of the monarchy they never do, and then they want to scramble 10 years later when they realize they caused a bigger issue.

    For moving him from the line of succession, whatever. I think that this actually will get more push back from the aristocracy. These people put a lot of stock into being the 14th Earl of whatever, the 19th Count of wherever. They like their kids being viscount this, and lady that. They’re not going to support chipping away at that for any reason. So either you’re going to be all in on meritocracy doesn’t have its place here, it’s all hereditary, or you’re not. That’s going to be the major conversation.

    • Christine says:

      I guess I don’t know what a “trade envoy” is even supposed to do, but how was Prince ANDREW considered qualified in the first place?

  14. Lady Digby says:

    Andrew latest: ‘Look at the money trail’ – Royal biographer on what could come next for ex-duke and Sarah Ferguson over Epstein links | UK News | Sky News https://share.google/hxMuceBjh8dKsI6Pg
    The Sky News are looking at the ramifications of further action on Andrew. Chuck and Will want to preserve in it’s entirety their vast empire of privilege and power. They have no intension of surrendering any noblesse oblige so while Andrew may be the fall guy deservedly they will fighting tooth and nail to “move on” from this mess as soon as possible.

  15. Criti Calthinking says:

    If criminal or unethical activity are grounds for removal from the LOS, then an entire institution built and sustained on the same can be tossed out as well.

  16. Henny Penny says:

    And yet, what is it going to take for Americans to finally stand up to their demented King who is guilty of all of Andrew’s crimes and far, far more?

    Are we just too numb to act? Have we collectively become so frozen that we can’t act? Has a full decade of psychological warfare against the American people by the perpetrators of these crimes broken the American people for good? Have the perpetrators of these crimes who run the media, the tech companies, the banks, the governments, finally rendered us incapable of knowing how we should be responding right now?

    Fuck Andrew! The President of the United States wasn’t a mere client of Jeffery Epstein’s. He was his business partner. And now he’s actively building a police force filled with violent fascists who are gunning our fellow citizens down in the streets in broad daylight all paid for BY OUR OWN TAX DOLLARS!

    And we’re all supposed to continue just walking around like this is normal? Like, forever?

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