Between the Lindy West-memoir discourse and this, I really wish we could hit pause on the confessional TMI memoir where everyone collectively gets the ick but no one can stop watching the trainwreck. So, yes, Lena Dunham has written another memoir. This one is called Famesick. Lena stepped back for a time – she moved to London, she got married, but she’s still around, in general. And she hasn’t changed, she’s just less in-your-face. People have been circulating excerpts from Famesick for days but I’ve mostly avoided them. But here, I guess we should talk about some of this stuff about Lena’s relationship with Jack Antonoff. They dated for over five years, from 2012 through the end of 2017. In Famesick, she obliquely references the long-standing rumors about Jack and Lorde – Jack produced Lorde’s Melodrama, and many thought that Lorde was one of the reasons why Jack and Lena split.
Lena Dunham is looking back at her ex-partner Jack Antonoff’s relationship with a “teen pop star.” The Girls star and co-creator, who dated the producer and Bleachers frontman for five years, recalls the moment she told Antonoff that the “closeness” he shared with the artist had begun “striking an odd note” in her new memoir, Famesick.
While Dunham does not divulge the artist’s name in her book, it is widely suspected that she is referring to Grammy-winning singer-songwriter Lorde. Antonoff co-wrote and co-produced the New Zealand musician’s 2017 album Melodrama, and the collaborators fielded romance rumors — which they denied — in the months following the record’s release and Antonoff and Dunham’s split in early 2018.
In her book, Dunham recalls FaceTiming Antonoff while visiting her grandmother only to find him in “the recording studio in our apartment, where he was ensconced with a teen pop star I was too oblivious to be jealous of.”
She later noted that Antonoff spent his time “locked in a room with a teen pop star whose needs seemed as massive and complex as my own, and who called me ‘Aunt Lena’ when I hobbled into the kitchen with my walker to grab another bottle of green tea.”
At the time, Dunham was fighting chronic illness related to her endometriosis diagnosis. She underwent a hysterectomy after multiple surgical procedures for the illness in 2017. Dunham writes about returning home from a bone density test one day to find the pop star “sprawled across our sectional couch, weeping into Jack’s lap as he told her that ‘your teens are for experimenting’ in a tone so comforting, it almost brought tears to my eyes,” adding, “It had been so long since he’d spoken to me with that kind of expansive generosity.”
She later pointed out the strong bond that the collaborators had developed to Antonoff, suggesting, “Perhaps their closeness was striking an odd note, that she wanted something from him that he couldn’t give.” When she expressed feeling “like a ghost” when seeing them together, Antonoff allegedly told her “‘You’re just mad because she doesn’t want to be your friend,’” Dunham wrote. “And he was right.”
I remember some of this speculation, and I also remember feeling sorry for Lorde out of the three people involved. She was like 19/20 at the time, a sheltered kid from New Zealand, trying to make her sophomore album with the entire industry breathing down her neck. And Lena breathing down her neck as well. Lorde was looking for a refuge and safe space to work and Lena was constantly shooting her “are you f–king Jack” looks. Meanwhile, in this exact same year, Lena screwed her ex-boyfriend while she was still technically dating Jack.
Dunham recalls pointing out that Antonoff’s “closeness” with an unnamed “teen pop star” whose album he was producing had begun “striking an odd note.” At the same time, she details for the first time embarking on an affair with a former middle-school flame named Nick, which ushered in the final break from Antonoff.
As their relationship deteriorated amid Dunham’s health issues, she noted, “I had never stopped flirting—I mean, I wasn’t dead yet — but I had observed careful boundaries, never taking it far enough that I could be declared out of bounds. If I’d wanted to look, perhaps I may have seen that Jack was not observing them as closely as I was.”
She had “had seen myself as some kind of half wife,” but after a hysterectomy “changed the game” in late 2017, she wrote to a former middle school boyfriend named Nick “with impunity, saying l’d just had major surgery and I needed to be cheered up. ‘Meet me by the bridge? Bring me a stuffed animal?’ I got an answer back in less than a minute: ‘I’m already running.'”
Dunham writes that she “let my lips wander slowly across his face and onto his, and I remembered how my high school friend Marissa’s mother once told us how, when she conducted an affair in the 1970s, cheating on her first husband with Marissa’s father, she insisted on wearing a red velvet cape with a hood everywhere she went.” What she wore was “a sweater the size of an airstream trailer, but I too, was ready to do adultery.”
Kissing progressed as Dunham says she told Nick, “I’ve been through something awful. I don’t want to talk about it, but I need you to f— me and I need you to do all of the work.’ ‘I can make that happen,’ he said.”
Dunham writes that the affair lasted several days. “On the third night, my parents left town, and Nick met me at their place, where he went down on me while I watched the steady flames hiss in the electric fireplace,” she details. “Afterward, we took a bath, washing each other’s hair at the same time, then f—ed again on top of my parents’ quilt. He looked deep in my eyes as he moved over me and said: ‘You’re making me want to cut the brakes on your boyfriend’s car.'”
You can read the rest at EW – basically, as soon as Jack came back into town, she told him about the affair within 24 hours and they broke up. She really loved Jack but, big surprise, she sabotaged herself and her relationship. I suspect that she would never put in those terms though, because that would take too much actual self-reflection. If she was honest with herself, I bet she felt relieved after she cheated because she finally had the best excuse to end it with Jack. As one self-saboteur to another, it feels like scratching an itch when you finally screw yourself over like that. Finally, you don’t have to pretend anymore.
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I literally cannot stand her – she is the poster child for a sociopathic narcissist.
In these photos I initially mistook him for Rick Moranis.
She is just a bizarre person. Im not sure if what she suffers from excruciating low self esteem or delusional high self esteem.
She is very talented, especially to have been in her early 20s when she wrote Girls. But she is insufferable.
She can be talented and be a narc..there’s something wrong in some way. Interesting he went from her to Margaret Qualley.
Insufferable is the only word for Lena!
I’ve seen that a number of times: a person blows apart a long-term relationship by cheating. I’ve never experienced this personally so I’ve always wondered about the why of it. As in, why they felt that was the only way to get out of the relationship?
I keep seeing the headlines associated with this memoir, and they all seem to echo her confusion over how much people don’t like her… I’m left to wonder how she became popular to begin with because she seems like the worst type of self obsessed person who is used to being the center of attention and rarely has boundaries put on them. Didn’t she commit a crime against her sibling and we learned about it from her? All of the things she says about herself, no one asked to know!
Yes, she bragged about molesting her sister and that’s the only thing I think of whenever I hear her name.
Same.
Why she thought that was something to share in a public space-I cannot understand that at all. She shows zero respect (as an adult) for her sister.
This is where I fall. She has no sense of boundaries, and that comes across in everything she does. No one was asking for a tell all from her about anything.
I think she and I are the same age, or within a few years, and there is no art she’s ever done that I’ve been able to stand reading or watching for more than 3 minutes, and that was before she exposed damaging things about her own behavior with her sister.
Writing down your deep emotional reaction to every single thing your life and publishing it for validation is just *shudder.*
From this and other things I’ve read, it sounds to me like Jack checked out of the relationship but couldn’t actually end it, and this was a way for her to save some face.
Most definitely. He was checking out. She felt he wasn’t there for her when going through her hysterectomy, and she responded in this way. I almost understand all of that. It is just in the way she tells it, but I guess that you’re right. She tells it in such a way as to save face. Her affair was because she was emotionally drowning. Her health was bad. A hysterectomy at her age is devastating, and her partner had all but left the relationship. The affair was pure desperation to feed her ego and feel wanted, and maybe she wanted him to react as if he cared. She wanted to be able to end the relationship first in a dramatic way before he said the words that she knew were coming.
I cannot stand her but I get this perspective. Both seem really immature and seemed to stop investing in their relationship.
I did not need those specifics on how corny the dude she bopped was, I was already at full cringe for both of them over how immature it is to cheat on a partner once you’ve both realized the relationship is dead, but can’t do the necessary work because it might hurt the other person a/k/a make you feel bad.
(Yes, I believe the PowerPoint.)
I’m no fan of LD, but I can see being annoyed at my live in BF and the girl/woman he’s working with, hanging with deciding that the girl’s “refuge and safe space to work ” was going to be the plunked in my home – my refuge, especially when I was going through my own career stresses and crappy, painful health issues (endometriosis can be absolutely miserable)
Sure, maybe LD should have been directing those eye daggers at Jack and not Lorde ( and actually talking with him about what you’re seeing, resetting boundaries, addressing issues between the 2 of you) but also maybe don’t be sprawling across someone else’s sofa, weeping on your host, when you’re visiting their home for work. ( Jack was an ass for setting her up to do that, particularly in the middle of Lena’s health issues)
All that said, Lena and Jack both seem like careless, self-centered people who I just can’t with.
Except he’s a music producer and his studio is in their house. If you need that kind of privacy, you can’t put his workspace in the house and then be upset that he’s working with colleagues in the house. Nothing she described seems unusual about music creation. She doesn’t describe him acting romantically toward Lorde, more brotherly.
I love Lena Dunham. I love her to bits and pieces and back. Anyone who describes her as a narcissist has it 100% inverted, in my view — she exposes herself body and soul and is honest about stuff that most people drape a veil over, or screech about, rather than face it directly. Yes, inviting Lorde over to crash on your couch and cry on your lap was inappropriate, when your half-decade relationship is in a slump and your girlfriend is going through hideous invasive medical treatment whilst still showing up for 12 hour days on the set of the series that she’s writing, producing, acting in, etc…. I mean. Dude. I always marvelled at the fact that Qualley fell for him, she’s such a lovely kid and so genuinely talented. But he must have something going on, all these insanely talented and gorgeous women adore him.
Thank you. I completely agree. She did some very cringe things in her heyday (the Odell Beckham Jr. incident at the MET comes to mind) but, by and large, she is an insanely talented, insightful, and self-reflective individual who became a showrunner at age 23 of one of the most successful shows of all time–a show which finally tried to normalize regular body types. I just received her memoir and can’t wait to read it. (I am also extra partial to her because she’s a “Wholigan”–aka, a listener of the Who?Weekly podcast–and she’s hilariously called into the show before).
Very cringe things like publicly calling Aurora Perrineau a liar for daring to accuse one of Dunham’s friends of sexual assault. Oh, how talented, insightful and self-reflective of her.
She addresses that in the book. The letter she wrote in support had a date stamp on the day of her surgery or right after and she was high on pain killers. People can take that for what it’s worth, if anything. I haven’t read anything further on it like whether she’s changed her mind or what.
Uhhh remember her story about her and her sister?? Remember her desperation during the OUATIH press tour?
she IS absolutely insufferable.
white women who give Lena Dunham grace absolutely scare the stuffing out of me. Remember when Lena started and attempted a very public racially charged lynching over Odell Beckham because she felt he ignored her due to her body. She completely projected her insecurities on that man and was mad he wasn’t attending to her in the way she felt she deserved. It’s bonkers to think there are still Lena supporters out there.
I forgot her!
And I haven’t missed her at all.
Can’t stand her, try to avoid anything she’s in, esp. after what she wrote about her sister.
But, and I maybe to asexual for this, who continues to flirt whilst they are in a relationship? What signal does that send to your partner & to the person you are flirting with?
This is to @Inge, with love and respect, “who continues to flirt whilst they are in a relationship?”….umm. I presume this is a rhetorical question. I think the answer is…. .everyone. ;-D …..many people flirt out of reflex, charm, a blend of discretion and temptation, or, ambivalence, or just habit. Instinct. It’s harmless until it feels freighted with intent. It can be lighthearted. Most people know not to cross a line. Some people know exactly where the line is, and delight in crossing it. Some end up on the wrong side kind of by accident. It’s life.
No, everyone does not flirt when in a relationship. I do not. I haven’t been interested in another person in real life sexually since my being with my husband almost 20 years ago. Being charming is the not same as flirting. And flirting is not harmless – it clearly can be misinterpreted.
I think of flirting as something that is very strategic and deliberate with an underlying motivation. So I don’t think everyone in a relationship flirts either.
I think some people might just be “nice” and/or possibly charming/polite and, unfortunately that gets confused with flirting.
But I think you can tell when someone has some strategic motivation for flirting (which is less benign than just being “nice.”) Maybe not everyone is seeking to cheat, but if someone is flirting I’d assume there’s a motive behind it. Maybe the motive isn’t always cheating, but I do think of it as a strategic maneuver to get something from the other person (like maybe even emotional validation or to make themselves feel good for whatever reason).
Yeah, I agree with the no flirting while in a relationship. That’s basically a form of emotionally cheating. Not cool. There is a big difference between friendly and flirting.
People are being extra judgmental here today! Sure, if you are flirting with the end the blatant end-goal of cheating, that’s not cool. But flirting in the form of lighthearted banter with no intention of taking it further is just that! Relax, people!
To Sophia’s point: I’ve come to realize that flirting –when in a committed relationship– is a high wire endeavor. One has to balance that charm/banter w/o signalling you’re available for stepping out on your partner.
The book Blood & Money, which centers on the life & curious death of the very beautiful Houston socialite Joan Robinson Hill, mentioned her ability to flirt at parties & gatherings, while conveying she was a “one-man” kind of woman/wife. There was a quote from a much-divorced man that, though he was so charmed by her, “It would never occur to me to try to screw her. She obviously loved her husband” [Dr John Hill, who may or may not have poisoned her.]
It’s a very good read that also paints a vivid picture of Houston during that time, from the late the 40s through the 60s.
Totally agree, Bumblebee. Flirting while in a relationship is gross.
I know it’s de rigueur to hate Lena in most spaces and yes she’s absolutely said some problematic things in the past, but I can’t bring myself to hate her. She says the things that most people would be too scared, and self-preserving, to admit to. I feel like she could be a great friend because she knows she’s a mess and wouldn’t judge you. She seems to have made some close female allies in the industry. I really wonder what the response to her would be if she were conventionally beautiful.
Anyone else think so much of this sounds like several plots from Girls? The guy tells her he’s running after she asks for support? They have an affair for 3 days?
And then there’s all the stuff about Adam Driver, who she makes sound like he was really just Adam Sackler in real life.
This is all so strange.
They both seem to be happy in their own marriages, why bring up the past in a new memoir? At this stage we will have 4 updates by her 50s.
On a positive note, I really like her job in the movie where she goes back to his father’s country
She is an insufferable, perpetual victim. Everything I know about her is against my will. I am so sad that she has emerged from the shadows to once again remind me of her just-never-self-aware-ENOUGH existence. It’s her right to be a creator though, and I’m obviously not her target audience. Whatever.
Haven’t liked her since she giggled about putting rocks in her sister’s hoo ha and acted like Odell Beckham Jr was supposed to kiss her feet upon being sat at the same table as her during an event. Just an out of touch with reality mess.
Lena is the DEFINITION of white feminism. Perpetual victimhood, utter lack of self-awareness and a mean-streak (remember her defending a rapist and harassing his victim because the rapist was her FRIEND??). And anyone still defending her after what she wrote about what she did to her sister in the LAST TMI memoir needs their head examined.
I agree LD is sooooo insufferable, tone-deaf, etc. But I find the discourse about her touching her sister to be overblown. They were both kids, LD was 5 or 6 I think. The situation seemed to me like two little kids exploring and didn’t seem sexual in any way. It actually seems mundane enough that there doesn’t seem to be a reason to include it in her book except more attention seeking
Little kids explore all the time. Little kids do not always put rocks in hoo hahs as a part of exploring each other.
That is weird behavior. Just stop smh.
💯 this, Nicole. That is abnormal and deviant behavior and should have sent her into therapy immediately.
And if you’re still flirting in a committed relationship you are not ready for it. Period.
Why, oh why do we need another self-aggrandizing whiny memoir from this narcissist about her perpetual imagined victim hood? No one wants to hear about her getting eaten out on her parents’ hapless quilt while gazing into the fire. We just want her to GO AWAY and never come back. From all of the headlines it seems like she is using this book to s**t all over everyone who ever cared for her or contributed to her success.
Non sentient objects cannot be “hapless” 😅 unfortunate, perhaps, but not hapless
I actually really enjoyed Girls (please don’t come for me, LOL). The characters were awful but I do feel like a lot of them get humbled and by the end of the show, I somehow found them endearing. Stockholm syndrome?
That said, this was way too much information before my first cup of coffee.
She is an annoying person I would generally make fun of, but she, Lorde, and Jack Antonoff all sound equally irritating in their love triangle.
I have finally gotten closure on what actually happened in this love triangle through the release of this memoir though haha. It was a mystery till now.
Ick and and yuck
Shocking that someone would admit their extreme emotional immaturity, extreme neediness and obvious unmanged narcissism in public, much less dine out on it. Ick.
EW seems like a very apt site for these excerpts.
Ewwww….
I do not get her appeal at all. She’s a talented writer, sure, but that doesn’t excuse her narcissism.
WORD UP.
She mad weird.
I thought one of the saddest things she said on the old Chelsea Lately show was. She has to write characters as boyfriends to say the things she wishes to hear… from what I remember.
I am not a fan of hers, and basically… Girl, he was just not that into you.
She is so talented, I re-watched Girls and it really stands up. Not sure that she will ever top it