Josh Brolin says his brief experience with Scientology was “really f-cking bizarre”

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One of the first news stories I saw Monday morning was the breaking story about the Church of Scientology. The New Yorker has just published an exhaustive article on the Church/cult which is the culmination of ten months of research, including talking to high-profile people who were once involved with CoS. The 26-page article is here, at The New Yorker. I haven’t got the chance to read the whole thing, or even skim most of it. I’ve only managed to read the excerpts, like this one, where Josh Brolin talks about his brief flirtation with Xenu:

There are many celebrity adherents to Scientology — Josh Brolin isn’t one of them.

In a long feature about ‘Crash’ director and screenwriter Paul Haggis’ rejection of his longtime religion, The New Yorker spoke to star Josh Brolin about his brief and unsuccessful run-in with the group.

Running to the religion “in a time of desperation,” Brolin says he saw some… interesting things. One of them involved John Travolta “practicing Scientology” on Marlon Brando.

“I watched this process going on–it was very physical,” Brolin said. “I was thinking, ‘This is really f**ing bizarre! Then, after ten minutes, Brando opens his eyes and says, ‘That really helped. I actually feel different!'”

For the record, Travolta denies that it ever happened.

Haggis opens about how, as a troublemaking young man, he felt saved by Scientology, something that stars such as Kirstie Alley attested to, saying that it saved her from cocaine. Haggis, though, says that the Church had a fierce anti-gay slant, something that especially troubled him given both his belief in social justice and the members of the Church that are rumored to be gay.

[From Huffington Post]

Um, I totally believe that John Travolta was coming on to Marlon Brando. Did that strike anyone else? Like Travolta wanted to tag that ass. Anyway, Paul Haggis left CoS after the head of CoS’s San Diego office signed the Proposition 8 petition in 2008. Haggis spent months trying to get CoS to clarify their position on gay rights, to no avail, so he ended up “resigning” from the Church. Haggis also details his issues with certain policies and practices of CoS, including “disconnection” and the rumors of the organization’s civil rights violations on members. Speaking of, the FBI opened an investigation into CoS (or “Sea Org” as “the religious order” are called). The investigation was for human trafficking. Human trafficking cases are usually meant for prostitution, and specifically the enslavement of women for sexual or slave labor purposes. More from The New Yorker piece:

The laws regarding trafficking were built largely around forced prostitution, but they also pertain to slave labor. Under federal law, slavery is defined, in part, by the use of coercion, torture, starvation, imprisonment, threats, and psychological abuse. The California penal code lists several indicators that someone may be a victim of human trafficking: signs of trauma or fatigue; being afraid or unable to talk, because of censorship by others or security measures that prevent communication with others; working in one place without the freedom to move about; owing a debt to one’s employer; and not having control over identification documents. Those conditions echo the testimony of many former Sea Org members…

[From The New Yorker via Gawker]

So… Tom Cruise and John Travolta could be slaves, people. Well… I believe that they are brainwashed, and that there is probably a significant amount of “groupthink” going on, but is that a good enough excuse? At some point, doesn’t personal responsibility have to come into play? I have always believed that many actors join up with Scientology because they think it will help their careers, not because they believe in the “tenants” of CoS, whatever they may be (spa dong, high heels for men, contractually enforced marriages). Whatever.

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  1. Lady Jane says:

    haha. ‘spa dong’

  2. Hautie says:

    It is an interesting article.

    I already thought they were a cult. So I was not shocked by any of the craziness that was written.

    The best line in the whole article is a closing statement from Paul Haggis.

    “I was in a cult for thirty-four years. Everyone else could see it. I don’t know why I couldn’t.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    There is a mention that the cult leaders (David Miscavige) wife has disappeared. Her name is Shelly. She is most likely locked up in a double wide trailer in the desert.

    (page 21 – 3 paragraph)

    “Miscavige’s official title is chairman of the board of the Religious Technology Center, but he dominates the entire organization. His word is absolute, and he imposes his will even on some of the people closest to him. According to Rinder and Brousseau, in June, 2006, while Miscavige was away from the Gold Base, his wife, Shelly, filled several job vacancies without her husband’s permission. Soon afterward, she disappeared. Her current status is unknown. Tommy Davis told me, “I definitely know where she is,” but he won’t disclose where that is.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    And the son of Ann Archer, Tommy Davis, is the one person who probably knows enough to get them all thrown in jail for life.

    If he ever escapes, the FBI would have to have him placed in Witness protection.

    (Pages 22-24 – really are heart breaking… which covers the crazy he has been dipped in.)

  3. ghostwriter says:

    I read the New Yorker article online last night from start to finish – a long article, and an amazing, shocking read that seems pretty well researched. Just wondering if it’s lawsuit proof and what others’ opinions will be. I was riveted.

  4. carrie says:

    i have a scientologist friend and he never tried to recruit me:is he a bad scientologist or a good friend?

  5. Eve says:

    I don’t understand why can’t the government/authorities shut this “church” down, I think there’s enough evidence that there are really weird shenanigans going on with these people and their practices.

  6. Marjalane says:

    It sounds like so much of a scientologists daily life is immersed in “church” activities; How could they help but be brainwashed. That auditing shit is creepy as hell.

  7. Tiffany says:

    I know that this is a article about CoS, but Josh Brolin gives good interview. The man is just a fu***ng quote machine. He needs to get more work so he can get out there and promote.

  8. Roma says:

    I read the article last night as well and it was unbelievable.

    Tommy and Travolta aren’t members of the sea org but the sea org serves them. Remember the flowers Tom had planted for Nicole? Slave labour.

  9. spinner says:

    well…as L Ron Hubbard said…the quickest way to make a million dollars is to start your own religion. It’s always about money. There is an online book that you can read called The Lonesome Squirrel. It is raw & hysterically funny. Here is the link…

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~fishman/ls/indexls.html

  10. Erandyn says:

    *tenets

  11. sapphire says:

    Anyone else find Brolin’s scruffy look majorly hot?

    @Eve-Unfortunately, the Government can’t just “shut down” an organization without due process and criminal or civil infractions of a specific kind. I wish the IRS would revoke the tax free status THEN go in like gangbusters. Treasury has a much better record about doing damage to continuing criminal enterprises.

  12. snappyfish says:

    I do find it interesting that the members of this church are so fast to blame, sue and call all non-believers liars. If their church is so big in their calm & peaceful thetanism, one would think that the anger and blame issues wouldn’t be so prevalent.

    It would be a very “it works for me” & let others be.

  13. Eve says:

    @Eve-Unfortunately, the Government can’t just “shut down” an organization without due process and criminal or civil infractions of a specific kind.

    I know, Sapphire. That’s why I added that I thought there was enough evidence of CoS’s wrongdoing — I just couldn’t point out exactly what it was (because that’s the government/authorities’s job: investigation and prosecution). I’m almost sure that if they dig enough, they’ll find many wrong things about this cult.

  14. lucy2 says:

    I agree snappyfish – COS claims to have all the answers (for a price) for an enlightened life, yet there’s a lot of anger and defensiveness there.
    I’m going to read the big article when I have a chance, but I give Haggis a lot of credit for sticking his neck out to tell the truth, especially since he’s probably well aware of what’s happened to others who tried as well.

    I’m so tempted to refer to man-on-man action as “practicing Scientology” from now on.

  15. Rose says:

    Yes Sapphire, I find scruffy Josh very hot. I’d love to practice Scientology on him.

  16. Wif says:

    In regards to the slavery thing, I know that here (my ex is a Scientologist) when you want to go up the ladder an option is to work for the church to pay off the debt of your courses. But “working” for them pays a pitance, and you’re in debt to them the whole time, so there is actually a “slum” house here in my town where a bunch of them live together because they can’t afford their own residences. They can’t even really afford to eat. Some of these people have families. It’s really rather sad.

  17. sapphire says:

    @Eve-sorry, I misunderstood your post. I thought you believed that the Feds could just do an “investigation” without a specific topic focus.

  18. neema says:

    I’ve done some pretty extensive reading on the subject and yeah, almost all of the information and testimony from former members indicate that the sea org is basically a slave labor outfit.

    There’s also this very creepy almost military like compound in california.

  19. sickofit says:

    @ wif: thanks, very interesting insight.
    Personally i always thought CoS to be a fraud to get rich and not so rich people’s money.
    And Hubbard was a very bad character, so is Miscavige.

  20. Gwen says:

    Someone please protect Paul Haggis!

  21. Jo 'Mama' Besser says:

    How, how, HOW can you align yourself with a man who nearly killed his wife and unborn baby performing an abortion that was (obviously) against her will? Well, we’ll never know since their jacked minds would never seek out legitimate therapy. A prescrition pad is the devil incarnate, but committing unspeakable violence against children and women is the cat’s ass? Actually, Brolin should’ve been comfy there, then.

  22. Roxanne75 says:

    Brolin is HOT

  23. Emily says:

    If only more countries were like Germany and just flat out refused to let them in the country in the first place.

    @lucy2, I’m planning on using “practising Scientology” too.

  24. Stephanie says:

    Sad!

  25. JenJen says:

    I remember Lisa Marie saying the cult saved her from being a wayward girl. I think she may have even lived with them.

    I just can’t picture Leah Remini as a Scientologist. She’s proud of it and even said that she wasn’t trying to convert her BFF, J-LO.

  26. buzzaroo says:

    I don’t reckon any Actors join COS to further their careers these days, Kaiser. Even established Actor scientologists don’t like talking about being scientologists in interviews etc these days.

    I’m pleased that a lot of their secretive practices are finding their way into the public sphere now, for a long time they weren’t.

  27. The Shadow says:

    There is MORE THAN enough evidence of wrong doing by the cult of Scientology. Over 40 years worth of documents/paper trails, bribes, witnesses, exmembers etc. I have a friend in the FBI and he said the REAL reason is because the government of the USA won’t give the go ahead the authorities can’t move in and shut them down like they did in other countries (ie in Greece the cult was raided and hunted down when the govt gave the authorities the go ahead).

    America’s govt needs to GIVE THE WORD.

    GIVE THE WORD and the FBI, police, CIA, army etc will make scientology go away in a blink of an eye believe me. There are higher ups in the govt who are being bribed with cash taken from the slaves who pay to be members of this cult. Its about money.

    How many people have to be destroyed before the American govt does its job and squashes out this evil cult.

    NOTE: if you are a scientologist reading this —
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/xenuleaf.htm

    GET OUT NOW. YOU CAN BE FREE.