Brad Pitt has been talking about his personal politics more and more as he gets older. Brad’s a pretty solid liberal Democrat, and he seems to have made gay rights one of his most vocal causes, and he spoken about his support of Pres. Obama many times. Brad has also alluded to his childhood in a conservative household, in a conservative part of the mid-West. I always assumed that Brad was overselling the notion of coming from a Republican family considering how he turned out, but as it turns out, not so much. Not only is Brad’s brother Doug a Republican (Doug might run for office in Missouri at some point too), but Brad’s mom Jane is also a conservative Republican too. Jane Pitt just wrote a letter to the editor in The Springfield News-Leader defending Mitt Romney and calling Obama “a liberal who supports the killing of unborn babies and same-sex marriage”. Obama supports the killing of same-sex marriage? Bless her dangling participle.
Jane Pitt calls the president “a liberal who supports the killing of unborn babies and same-sex marriage” just months after her son reveals his support of Obama in a THR cover story.
An anti-gay letter urging Christians to vote for Mitt Romney that was printed today in The Springfield News-Leader has been confirmed by the newspaper as having been penned by Jane Pitt, mother of Brad Pitt.
The verification comes amid some confusion, as the Missouri newspaper first printed an editor’s note denying any relation between the letter writer and movie star. That was later replaced with a second editor’s note, reading, “To clear up earlier confusion, the News-Leader has verified the letter writer is the mother of actor Brad Pitt and local businessman Doug Pitt.”
The letter — itself a response to another opinion piece in the newspaper justifying Christians’ rights to refuse to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon — identifies Mrs. Pitt as “a Christian [who differs] with the Mormon religion.”
But, Pitt continues, “any Christian should spend much time in prayer before refusing to vote for a family man with high morals, business experience, who is against abortion, and shares Christian conviction concerning homosexuality just because he is a Mormon.”
Pitt goes on to write that “any Christian who does not vote or writes in a name is casting a vote for Romney’s opponent, Barack Hussein Obama — a man who sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for years, did not hold a public ceremony to mark the National Day of Prayer, and is a liberal who supports the killing of unborn babies and same-sex marriage.”
Along with Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt has long been an outspoken champion of gay rights. Pitt once told Ellen DeGeneres, “I’ve said that we would not be getting married until everyone in this country had the right to get married.” The two nevertheless announced their engagement in April, after seven years and six children together.
In January, Pitt said of his mother in a cover profile in The Hollywood Reporter, “She’s very, very loving — very open, genuine, and it’s hilarious because she always gets painted in the tabloids as a she-devil. There’s not an ounce of malice in her. She wants everyone to be happy.”
In the same story, the Moneyball star revealed his own support of Obama in the upcoming presidential election.
OMG YIKES. Jane Pitt sounds like a fire-breathing conservative. Not just a “Hey, I want my favorite billionaire to have lower taxes” kind of Republican. She’s mixing it up with “Barack Hussein” and “baby-killing.” Yikes. I mean… we are not our parents’ keepers. My late father had some political views that I found embarrassing, like an undying affection for Ronald Reagan (although my dad loved Obama and voted for him too). Do I think we should judge Brad because of his mom’s views? Not really. And Jane Pitt is entitled to think and vote however she wants too. I’m merely surprised that she’s so… arch-conservative. I had no idea.
Oh, and by the way – I don’t think Angelina has ever spoken out on gay rights, has she? Brad does all the talking and all of the donatin’. Angelina’s personal politics have always been a question mark – likely by design, because with her UNHCR work, she has to work with conservatives and liberals. I’ve always suspected her personal politics are more neoconservative (for foreign policy) and libertarian (for domestic policy). It’s perfectly possible that Angelina and Jane have more in common politically than you think. And don’t come at me with “Jane hates Angelina, Jane loves Jennifer and this is why.” That’s bullsh-t.
Photos courtesy of WENN, Fame/Flynet.
‘Obama supports the killing of same-sex marriage? Bless her dangling participle.’
Love that. Well we all have things about our parents that embarrasss us. I’m just glad that for me it’s only their clothes and not their beliefs and views.
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Isn’t Angie’s brother gay though. Awkward family gatherings.
My first thought was “Well, that’s gotta make for some uncomfortable family dinners.”
Because our (Hubs’ & my) political ideas differ from my parents’ and we had a knockdown, drag-out in the kitchen & dining room one lovely Sunday afternoon. Instead of burgers and dogs, my parents grilled us. 😉
Actually, Angelina’s brother is a born again Christian training to become some sort of minister.
Papa Voight is a pretty outspoken conservative, but I think he’s more into the pro-war and pro-free market scene than he is in speaking out about social politics. Kinda like Clint Eastwood.
Either way, these two are surrounded by conservatives. I’ve heard rumors that Angelina hates Obama, loves Obama, hates Israel, loves Israel… who knows. My best guess is that she is probably into the humanitarian stuff but not necessarily “political” beyond stuff that relates to international law and refugees’ rights.
Angie herself was once involved with a woman and considered herself bi, so yeah, don’t see how this flies at Christmas.
Awkward family gatherings for sure. My political views are polar opposite of my parents…basically we have nothing left to talk about but the weather and old family stories of the past.
I used to try and mix up the conversation a bit by bringing up politics, hoping they might be open-minded, but….no.
Spare a thought for how awkward hanging with grandma must be for Zara. The way Grandma Pitt empahasizes Obamas middle name (obviously to indicate he is an “other”, an outsider) makes me wonder how she interacts with her darker grand-kids.
He’s not Jane’s kid.
‘Tis the season where all depends on perception. And so it is the season to promote the one with the lesser evil.
Jane Pitt had stated her view of the lesser evil, no matter how outdated it may be, and out of touch with reality it truly is.
For if you believe that pregnancy is god given, and abortion is a sin, then of course you would go through any other god-given health issue with faith and dignity. Never seeking for say chemotherapy, or any kind of prophylactic or supportive therapy. Ever. Because of course, why would you deny a gift from God???
What bothers me most though, is the Hussein. That highlighted word to increase the unease that we’ve had installed in us after 9/11 of anything Arabic sounding. Wasn’t it enough for Jane to sound like a bigoted-homophobic freak, she also had to sound like a racist tw-t.
“a liberal who supports the killing of unborn babies and same-sex marriage”
How about another real American approach. One that is based on rights to Freedom, and one that is not laced in fear of neither one’s skin color, nor name:
“a supporter of every American woman’s right to chose, and every American’s right to marry, notwithstanding their gender, sexual orientation, ethnic background, or religious beliefs. An American right. A human right.’
Odd how she insists on the insignificance of Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith, but highlights how Obama had attended some religious freak’s services. A “Reverend”‘s preaching that is quite at odd with every decision Obama had made so far in regards to our rights as Americans.
Here is a bit of Tit for Tat my dear.
Mitt Romney, a very, VERY, prominent figure and proud representative of the Mormon faith, still attends to this day, practices and preaches EVERY little thing his faith had installed in him since childhood:
– Historical revisions of Christian Church’s actions, denying every and all things your Christian church had done so far in promoting Christianity all over the world, which by the way had allowed your ancestors to land, live, and thrive on the American continent, because apparently, the Christian church had the gall to allow men of color to be ordained. And all his actions are to be considered unholy, and unworthy of the kingdom of God.
– The Mormons believe in slavery. Still to this day. They still consider that dark skin is a sign of a curse, and a mark from God to distinguish a more righteous group of people from a less righteous group.
– Anyone that has a bit of Native American in them, Native Americans who are considered naturally inclined to be less faithful, still to this day Mormon church leaders, historical and modern, speak of segregation and restrictions.
– How about the woman? You know, the one that gives a man life, love, safety from the boogie man under the bed, feeds him, dresses him, raises him. Surely, the Mormon church MUST have a place of high-adoration and respect for the woman. Right?
You would be so wrong.
LDS Church treats women as inferior to men. A woman’s primary place is in the home, where she is to rear children and abide by the righteous counsel of her husband. And if you think that this view is as old as the Old Testament, you would be wrong. Still to this day, in 2012, LDS church leaders in the USA actually highly promote decreasing visibility and responsibilities of women in various areas including welfare, leadership, training, publishing, and policy setting.
No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except if her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant.
Still feeling that Christian love for your Mormon Romney Jane?
Which leads me to Kolob. Yes, star Kolob. The Christians have their heaven, their Kingdom of God. The Mormons believe, quite strongly, in PLANET KOLOB.
– Kolob is a star where every good Mormon (white) man goes when he dies. He may live happily ever after alone, or after his wife’s death, he may, or may not allow her to join him. One thing for sure, any man of color could never be on Kolob. Men of color are slaves, and slaves have no place in the Kingdom of the Mormon God. Unless their white master deigns to ever change his mind.
Neither do Native Americans apparently, because supposedly, they are animals. And why would you allow your dog on Kolob.
You know Jane, and all of you who think the same outdated way, the “Christian Bible” and Mormon Book have a lot in common:
They have absolutely nothing to do with the original message, lost translations and the pick and mix job men through the ages had tried to shove down our throats, THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE WORD OF A DEITY, have nothing to do with whatever message that god had left us.
So please, no one quote misinterpretations. All it does is prove once more nothing of your godly love, but everything that has to do with misogyny, xenophobia, gay prejudice and all-around bigotry.
So please, Jane, choose your words carefully next time. Supporting gay couples has nothing to do with what hateful men in robes have taught. You are a grown-up. Act like it. Own-up to an individual thought, stop braying what those “father figures” in black dresses have shoved down your throats for centuries.
And if you think for one second that Mitt Romney, the ex-governor of Massachusetts that had driven jobs overseas, and had no inkling whatsoever in balancing a damned budget, Mitt Romney, the big believer and driver of all things Bain Capital, that organization buying your companies, breaking them to pieces, and selling them to the highest bidders, thus making 10s of thousands of Americans lose their jobs, that “family man with high morals, business experience, who is against abortion, and shares Christian conviction concerning homosexuality”, if you believe for one nanosecond that he has ANY respect for your Christian faith and values, THINK AGAIN.
That man had forcibly baptized his much-published scientist and highly promoted atheist great uncle into the Mormon faith. POSTHUMOUSLY. Meaning, he waited for his ancestor to be dead for over 20 years, and than to perform a forced baptism into the Mormon faith.
The Mormon church had forcefully as well baptized posthumously MILLIONS of Judaism followers, victims of the Holocaust, into the Mormon church as well.
Do you think a notable Mormon figure like Romney has any respect for any of us, people of color, Jewish, women, homosexuals, Any of us, not white, male, and Mormon? And that he would not force upon us his faith, views, and Mormon values?
Think the F-ck again!
I don’t give a F-CK where Obama was born and if he was socialist and communist. I give a F-CK what he had done, and fought against a Republican-majority House that had at every turn fought him on anything that would make our lives easier, our access to health, jobs, welfare, love, support, better, and had shackled his hands with all their heretic hypocrisy because theirs are shackled by bigger organizations and gnarlier lobbyists, that now drive this country.
We are promoting the lesser evil here. And in no f-cking way, would I let a Mormonic, ball-less flip-flopping twit rule my life as a woman, and even less, rule my children’s future because they may be female, or Jewish, or non-white, and will therefore be considered less than second-class and not be allowed on Kolob.
Kolob, you know, that star situated North-East of Xenu.
I was waiting for you to chime in, Maguita!
PS-you did not disappoint 🙂
Very well said.
But poor Jane’s head would have exploded at…
“Wasn’t it enough for Jane to sound like a bigoted-homophobic freak, she also had to sound like a racist tw-t.”
🙂
Bless her heart. She really does come off as a racist tw*t. Doesn’t she.
Whoa.
I actually read every word. Bravo! Now publish this in the same newspaper, as a rebuttal. It is too good to leave hanging here in the ether of a gossip blog comment section!
*performs a standing ovation*
If you confront a user of half-baked, uninformed arguments with cold, hard facts they effectively shut down. Or they restart and parrot the same tripe ad-infinitum.
@ Almond- +1
A+! Loved every bit of it! I think this woman is a racist beeatch. You don’t write a letter like this and then turn around and say, ‘I’m not a racist.’ Brad dated a black woman, Robin Givens and he has a black daughter. He helped build new homes for many black families after Katrina. Explains why I don’t see pics of his mom with the kids. Too bad she didn’t sign her rant ‘anonymous,’ but I suspect she wanted people to know it was her and now we know where she stands. Whenever someone uses ‘Hussein’ when talking about President Obama, I know what their intent is and it’s tacky and bigoted. Brad, your mom is a racist BEOTCH!
Maguita – Beautifully stated! 🙂
@Theresa, I just did! Thank you for the suggestion! I don’t know if they will publish it, because I had to email it for opinion box cannot hold more than 300 words (!!)… And well, obviously… I have still more than that.
But I truly hope, The News-Leader will still have the guts to publish it. Fully.
And thank you Ladies. I truly apologize for the long one, but I had so much to express in regards to this “Conservative/Republican” point of view, that has absolutely nothing to do with being a Republican. Nothing. But has much to do with bigotry, xenophobia, and pretty much misogynistic views on women’s rights.
Excellent! So erudite! So correct in the use of tw*t! I have never loved that specific insult more than in your perfectly-constructed sentence.
I just love how some Christians can say the most racist (totally agree about the use of Hussein; no one who uses Hussein is trying to have a real dialog), sexist, and homophobic things, and then claim to be righteous and loving. That’s why I so adore that scene in “Saved” when Mandy Moore’s character chucks her bible at another character’s head while claiming to be full of Christ’s love. Jane Pitt is a bigot, pure and simple.
Amen, Maguita. You know your stuff.
So well put together. Thank you.
God bless you, good lady.
-The baptism of those murdered souls
-The brain stem on a stick-level of submissiveness demanded of women– so, God doesn’t determine who enters into the Kingdom, but some raggedy-ass husband of whoever does? Explain that to me, Mr. and Mrs. Jesus.
-Slavery, fucking SLAVERY?!! Someone hold me back because when I see Romney enter into those predominantly black clasrooms my gut flips. A new generation of house boys awaits. Let the scapegoating of the melanin commence!
-The president has evolved, who’s next?
I could go on, but you hit all the points
Wow, you are woefully misinformed….and a little freaky.
I agree with Lauren. You are grossly misinformed about the Mormon religion and its members, especially about their treatment of women and people of color. This is coming from a practicing Chicana mother of one who is in school for her PhD.
My dissertation: catharsis of chicana feminist women; the majority of which are (gasp!) lesbian
Bravo, Bravo! @Maguita.
I read this site all the time, and this is the first time I’ve ever felt compelled to comment.
Wow! Brilliant, Maguita! That was lovely, absolutely lovely. I wish you would send it to the newspaper that printed Mrs. Pitt’s letter.
Well said, Maguita. I hope they do publish your letter. And I felt the same…what bothered me the most was the inclusion of “Hussein” in President Obama’s name. What was the point of that other then to incite hate?
Jesus. I’m sure I’ll get shouted down because 9 of 10 commenters here are liberals, but how does uttering a man’s ACTUAL middle name make her a racist twat? The truth is, liberals can’t stand it if someone has an opinion different from their own, and if they do, they’re labeled racists and homophobes. They’re the only people allowed to have an opinion, apparently. The rest of us should STFU I guess.
Truth is, Jane Pitt represents a growing and usually silent presence in this country. I don’t agree with most of what she said, but I understand the sentiment.
I’m a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage Libertarian who will proudly vote for Romney even though he and I have different stances on those topics. The economy is absolutely in the shitter, ObamaCare is PACKED with tons of new taxes that Obama-loonies refuse to acknowledge and won’t likely understand until they’re bitten in the ass with them in a few years, and our freedoms are getting smaller and smaller under his tutelage. RINOs like Mike Bloomberg dictating how much goddamned soda someone can drink is ridiculous, but that’s going to be par for course if we keep electing these “leaders” who ultimately think that they know more than we do about how we should live our lives. (Repubs aren’t immune from this, either — see gay marriage and abortion).
Seriously, if you want to make a point, you need to do it in a more shorter, precise way. Law of journalism, people don’t read past the first page in the newspaper, so get your points out in the beginning. Your post was waaaayyy to long for me to even care what you had to say and just made you seem like a rambling psychotic.
@Maguita….well said and I always look forward to reading your posts 🙂
You’re a real leftist kook. Did you know that? Did you make up all those lies or are you an NPR fan?
I dare you to substantiate any of them.
Woot…woot! I almost decided to skip the post after reading the title that Jane Pitt is pro-Romney, anti-choice and anti-gay marriage. I’m glad I decided to read this post and take a break from CO$.
Long, but more than worth the read.
This. Absolutely this.
Wow, I am surprised by the misinformation in this comment and how eager people are to believe every word of it. It it clear to me that you hate the mormon religion, but I have to wonder if you really believe everything you posted is true or if you know it’s not but hate the mormon church enough to spread misinformation anyway.
I wIll tell you that I am a former mormon myself. I was baptised young and raised in the faith until I hit my late teens and found out for myself what really makes sense (I am very pro gay rights, pro choice, pro social equality, etc.). I left the church when I realized that it wasn’t for me, and in a lot of ways I am still sad and angry about the separation from my family that has taken place since I left the church, as well as some of the doctrines that are downright ugly.
That said, the long list of “facts” you presented about mormonism were skewed at best and completely false in some cases. Look, I’m not against having ill will toward the lds church, but at least get your information right, and if you are going to spread posts like this, give others who are completely uninformed a chance to base their opinions on truth. Trust me, there is enough upsetting doctrine in mormonism without needing to make up lies or stretch the truth on anything. Posting lies to incite hatred against mormons is just as irresponsible as the scare tactics used by the far right to get people to hate and fear social progession.
Let us all have our discourse in broad daylight.
Later, when I’m not at work, I’ll be more specific about where the comment was incorrect if anyone is interested.
Maquita, you forgot to mention the Angel Maroni, who sits in golden splendor atop Mormon temples. Maroni is the one who gave the golden tablets to Joseph Smith.
Right on Maguita!!!
I’m not big on the vote for the lesser of two evils stuff because when you vote in the lesser of two evils evil still prevails. I know the REpublicans are horrible but Obama’s failure to follow through on his election promise to tackle climate change has been very disappointing.
Seriously Celebitchy you need to limit quotes for self centered unintelligent people like Maquita. Who thinks the public wants to read an essay on a gossip site? What an ego
Whoa! Miss a few hours, miss a lot on CeleBitchy. No wonder I feel lost after missing a few days!
First off, thank you to Kaiser, Bedhead and CeleBitchy for allowing women like me to overindulge from time-to-time in verbal deluge. You could have refused my comment, deleted it, but you haven’t. You allowed someone to express their views, and best of all, to mix politics, religion and gossip.
If that is not a full-course meal, I don’t know what is… Well, maybe for desert we can sit with the Avengers men for some Baklava at the Shawarma place.
To the Ladies and gents who read and comment on CB, thank you for your kind words. You have no idea how much I appreciate it.
Lately, I’ve been leading a quiet, monochromatic life. All silence, all order, all square. I have all these feelings and words bubbling inside of me, and luckily, found myself on CeleBitchy with the freedom to express them all. With little restraint, and an absolute sense elation, my snark on celebrity just joyfully stumbles from fingers.
And all this joy is heightened by the readers. With their encouragement, their own individual brand of snark, with their knowledge on absolutely everything from pot to Jesus, going through tampons, they embrace you and let you in.
A community.
@Madamanda – I am so sorry for your loss. For nothing weighs more on the soul than being considered an outsider by one’s own family, and community. Too many of my friends are ex-LDS, and the pain and contradiction they feel in their daily lives is harrowing. Although not LDS myself, I absolutely understand being the black sheep, and always feeling different from the rest of your blood kin.
I wish you luck and happiness outside of LDS. Sincerely.
As for your comments pertaining lack of knowledge on Mormon faith, unfortunately everything I’ve said is true, and based on 1978’s decision on more flexibility in LDS. For before, there was that little pesky polygamy thing-y, and some more hard-core misogyny and racism. Yet still, in 2012, believe me @Madamanda, all I’ve said above is quite sadly the truth.
Mormons have forcefully baptized non other than Anne Frank more than 10 TIMES into their faith, posthumously, and millions other victims of the holocaust. Elie Weisel is on their list, they’re waiting for a few years after his death, to also forcefully baptize him into the Mormon church.
Although we might be talking often about the same things, however, what might bother some are the quite clinical assertion of the Mormon Faith I’ve adopted, and had not alleviated by the very few glorious examples of successful women in the LDS. Those who are more mainstream, and we know more currently about like Mary Osmond, and Stephenie Meyer. And one okay in my book, Glen A. Larson.
But those are the ones who had mainstreamed their faith as well. I am here discussing those who reject outside influence.
Please remember, my post is about Jane Pitt’s blind comparison of Romney’s faith to the Christian one. About his “conservative openness” and nonacceptance of gay marriage, and women’s rights.
I clearly highlight my ridicule of ALL RELIGION when I say that the original word of god had been lost in translation over the centuries. And that those men touting their “Holy Books” at us are nothing but religious zealots, shoving their own interpretation of the word of God down our throats.
All they have proven through the ages are their misogyny, xenophobia, gay prejudice and all-around bigotry.
My bringing the Mormon faith into the equation is quite honestly the revelation of its own shortcomings, which the Christian religion can never ridicule, because of their own over the ages.
My point is, if you are going to vote for Mitt Romney, do the research. INCLUDE THE RIGHT AS WELL AS THE LEFT. Do the f-cking proper research, then vote. Do not vote then come back crying because you have no more rights as a woman, vote with all consciousness of BOTH CANDIDATES’ shortcomings.
And @Dollz, I looked at the comments before yours, and the ones following yours, and I thought, well… Irony is a bitch.
Have a great week-end everyone! Love you all.
Wow, Maguita. You should be president one day.
I’m REALLY sick of all the anti-women, anti-people stuff coming from republicans these days. I used to think it was just a difference in opinion and we should respect all politics, blablabla, but not once is that returned from their side. The only thing they give others is the will to oppress us.
Bravo Maguita!! Also, I wonder what Mrs. Pitt believes ‘Willard Mitt Romney’s opinion is about her son’s lifestyle (living in sin with his girfriend and siring his children out of wedlock)? I am guessing she doesn’t appreciate the stones that are cast at her innocent grandchildren. She views her grandchildren as “legitimate” (and rightly so) while many of her ilk DO NOT. Also, how dare she co-opt Christianity. Many, many liberals are gasp “Christian” and gasp “American.”
She doesn’t have to substantiate anything. The Mormon faith is basically this: dude says he speaks to an angel that had a Greek name, says the angel tells him about a golden tablet/book that recounts Jesus coming to America. Its buried. In upstate New York. Upstate. New. York. Yeah. Still with me? So he supposedly digs it up and is given some divine stones to translate it, along the way he meets a guy that he has finance this venture. Gives said guy the translation. Financier guy pretends to lose translation after advised by wife to see if the guy can give him the exact story again upon a second translation. He can’t. He looks in a hat to retell it, I think and see the translating stones tell gods words.
In the book of Mormon, it said that Jewish people traveled to Mesoamerica. And the two sons of the leader diverged the group. The good, righteous one, and the bad, sinful one. God cursed the sinful one and his group. By making their skin dark. Because they were evil. Evil = dark skinned. Yeah. At some point Jesus showed up. At some point they ended up in upstate New York. And Indians are Jewish.
Praise the book of Mormon.
(sorry if you’re Mormon. Seriously)
Maguita –
I co-sign most of what you said. It hit me as well when she wielded the “Hussein” – republican code for “he’s a muslim”.
I’m uncomfortable criticizing a religion that is not my own, but mormonism is increasingly considered a cult – fair game in my opinion.
I can envision this small minded woman on her knees daily, praying for Zahara’s hair to be less nappy and for Shiloh to be saved from the evil of androgyny.
The republican party has elevated racism to an art form. Just when I’ve become accustomed with tolerance – it has been out of control since the president was elected.
Go to a news article on the chimp attack in S. Africa – they’re loaded with references to the ghetto and blacks when referring to the chimps.
“For if you believe that pregnancy is god given, and abortion is a sin, then of course you would go through any other god-given health issue with faith and dignity. Never seeking for say chemotherapy, or any kind of prophylactic or supportive therapy. Ever. Because of course, why would you deny a gift from God???”
These two conditions could hardly be more disparate. It is not a valid comparison. In one, you are taking a life. In the other, you are treating an illness to sustain life.
I very much enjoy your posts Maguita, but I think you fell down on that one.
For the record, I am a conservative on many issues. But I am neither a bigot, nor do I have backwards thinking. As usual, people feel a need to label and belittle those who disagree with them. This occurs on both sides of the issue and disgusts me to no end. Argue your points and don’t get personal.
Great commentary.
How do you baptise someone after death. The soul has already left the body. No point
Wow, ladies. I love the snarky discussions. As a true swing voter, I won’t comment on the politics, I’m content to listen. I just wanted to say that I read this blog for the witty commentary from both the writers and the readers, not really for the gossip 🙂
So one narrow-minded misinformed bigot (re: LDS) calls another narrow-minded misinformed bigot (re: LGBT) a tw*t (in itself a vulgar, sexist slur) & people on here cheer. This must be the “New Civility” I keep hearing about.
This is a winning blog comment for sure. I was all ready to lay it down, but you did it so….thoughtfully and cogently.
As a liberal progressive (social) and libetarian (fiscal) voter, as well as a “student of the celebrity gossip” I am also from a family whose basic values are so at odds with mine, politically, I no longer really have anything at all in common with my roots except that they are mine. And so, Jane Pitt has settled in my mind exactly where she stands. Completely opposed to my views, but I’m really glad she expressed herself so plainly. It’s very telling of what the Pitt “family values” are.
No, it’s her libtarded son who is an embarrassment to her. She needs to tell him to dump the kook and the fashion accessories, or she’ll take him out to the woodshed for some schooling.
“Libtarded.” Nice. So creative. And classy.
What else do you expect from someone in Jane Pitt position. She wants for nothing,housing, a job, healthcare, medicare add to that one of her sons is filthy rich and famous,and none is serving in Afganistan or Iraq. So what’s left but for her to do? Stay from her Ivy Tower throwing firey stones at the lesser of these. If Bush was the Decider Romney is the Undecider and unqualified to be president because he is undecisive with the recent ruling on helathcare Reform, Romney cannot decide if it’s a penalty or a tax as the courts ruled, he is on all sides of the issue a hot mess, what is he going to do if he had to use the red box, let me use it nor I change my mind OH, Karl Rowe please, please call me i don’t which way to go I have been a flip flopper all of my live, HELP ME DECIDE PLEASSEEEEEEE!
I would be embarrassed of my parents if they drank the hope kool aid and voted for Obama.
Hope Kool Aid sounds a lot better than the Oppress Vinegar that Romney wants to cram down our throats.
My mom and I don’t share politics but she’s my frickin’ mom. Politics be damned, ya know. That’s the woman who kissed my booboos.
I’ll never be ashamed of Mom.
Exactly. I’m sure Brad loves his Mom very much. They don’t look miserable at all in photos. Brad obviously has much more open mind and heart than some of these posters
Obviously she means “Obama is a liberal who supports the killing of unborn babies and (supports) same-sex marriage.”
Well this ought to make for some interesting discussions around the Pitts’ dining table.
I was just thinking that.
Though, if they’re smart, they know not to discuss it.
It’s like my family and religion lol. Extended catholic family, and I am completely anti organized religion and my views on the bible…. well, it’s not discussed. I attend their weddings at a church but that’s only because they chose to marry. For me it’s just a building, and sometimes I play my NDS during some parts. I try to be hidden, don’t worry, it’s not for public consumption.
Oh but if they give me shit about that, they have a fight on their hands. No way they can dump their choices on me.
Actually, I think its the exact opposite. Brad learned to be outspoken and passionate from his mother. Neither of them are afraid to be political and to voice their views. They just doesn’t share the same particular views – however in my experience this is common in political-conscious families.
I relate to Brad on this. I came from a conservative Protestant family that has stauchly voted Republican since before FDR. Like Brad’s family, my parents were heavily involved in local community volunteer work and government. When we were little, we listened intently as our parents discussed the issues of the day with their friends and our extended family members. As we grew up, we were encouraged to join in, and always had lively political discussions. Our parents did not necessarily approve of our views, but they welcomed our participation in the debates. They encouraged us to question both sides of an argument, but to do so in a respectful and objective way. Political views are very personal, but if you can keep the debate objective and not get overheated – sometimes both sides can see common ground. This happened with my brother and I on birth control issues. In the end, he’s still a proud, card-carrying Republican old boy, but he agrees that issues surrounding a woman’s reproduction should be between herself, her doctor, and her god.
At the end of the day: Our political views are just one aspect of who we are, and we’re a solid family. We all still love each other.
This is what is lacking in the U.S. political system in general. A careful and respectful engagement with the serious issues of our day, and an attempt to make common ground even where opinions can be personal and divisive.
On the contrary! It’s great to discuss different viewpoints. You learn to accept them. It makes you broadminded.
If they’re anything like my mom’s side of the family, they can’t talk politics at all, because they can’t have a civil discussion about it. Hopefully the Pitts have just agreed to disagree and leave it alone!
I bet she is also against buying children from third world countries. You go Jane!!!
In other words, shes a racist. Just as Aniston is.
@Jonny Lee: You consider adopting a child “buying” a child?
That is one of the sickest and most despicable comments I have ever read on this blog.
BTW in case you weren’t aware of it, Jane Pitt has five adopted grandchildren, two from Asia and three from Ethiopia.
well, here is a thought, maybe brad and his momma respect each others points of view and can accept the fact that they differ polically, without screaming and ranting at each other….RESPECT of each others viewpoints…maybe we should all try it…
^^^this… thank you. No wonder our country is so divided, everyone seems to think they are accepting and tolerant… as long as people agree with them. Once that happens, the shit flies. Nice.
YES! Respect for others is very hard to find these days
Yes! Interesting discussions. There are different religions in my extended family, different views on politics, music, fashion, etc., BUT we’re family!
oh dear me, knox and viv.
they’re like the bestest friends ever.
awwww sqweeeeee!
and on the other note: the pitt’s dinner table might be interesting to be around for, the conversations.
i fondly remember my grandmam and granddad, the epitome of opposites attract. everything from house rules, to politics, to sports. we used to have 6hr family dinners because they started debating on everything from foreign policy to winning football teams. sometimes their children and grandchildren piped in and took sides. throughout all that, somehow we’re still eating, sharing, and even the littlest kids know that despite the differences there’s love.
ahem. sorry about being so nostalgic.
Great comment! I grew up with a liberal mom’s half of the family and a conservative dad’s half! it’s fun, interesting, and works to keep me on my toes and open to various ways of looking at things!!!!
awww… 🙂
I loved loved your comment; from beginning to end.. And as you say. there was always love.
I guess a conversation about politics is a big No-No on their family gatherings. 😀
Hmmmm…..I guess they steer clear of religion and politics when Grandma comes to visit. As for Angelina, she is smart enough not to cross her mother in law (to be).
Has she even looked at the policies he put in place during his term as governor of Massachusetts? Mitt Romney will do and say whatever it takes to win office, any office. Who knows what the guy really believes. What is clear though is he has no backbone and he changes his position at a drop of the hat. Not the guy I would like answering the phone at 3 am, but to each his or her own.
SRLY. Romney was pro-choice before he was pro-life, and specifically said his pro-choice position was influenced by his mother’s same stance. Perhaps his current position, like so many things, is influenced by his desire to get elected?
Romney made millions investing in Stericycle, a medical waste company that disposed of “abortion waste” from clinics and hospitals. Most Evangelical and Christian pro-lifers see abortion waste as human remains and believe it should receive a proper burial, not thrown away like trash. They also oppose any sort of profit made from abortion procedures.
It seems like a pretty big conflict that he’s never addressed (to my knowledge).
Romney ran in MA with a promise not to change their laws re: reproductive rights and right after being elected (and he realized the potential to use governorship as a jumping board to POTUS) he did his most dramatic flip-flop so his actions as governor were the complete opposite of most things he promised to get elected. I have no doubt that Romney is adamantly anti-choice and anti-reproductive rights on a personal level (unless someone he cares for needs those rights, then he’s probably very helpful to get them the birth control or abortion they want and keep it very quiet) – there are quite a few stories of his behavior towards sexually immoral embarrassments of women in his leadership role within the Mormon church. Eliza Dushku’s mother has written some stuff about that.
Just like Obama… anything to get elected. You think his ‘evolving’ views aren’t about politics? Such hypocrisy.
This^^^
My grandmother has never voted and typically doesn’t pay too much attention to politics, but 10 seconds of Mitt on tv and she said: “that man is so two-faced! You can’t trust him or anything he says!”
And Obama is sooo trust worthy and honest?? LOL!! Give me a break. Go Mama Pitt. Obama is the absolute worst thing to ever happen to this country. Worse than Carter. Didn’t think that was possible. People better open their eyes..or you are going to get every thing you THINK you want. Just remember…nothing is free. And, Obama is destroying this country. If he gets in another term America will not be the America we know and love. It will be changed forever. And, if that happens, when people are scratching their heads saying wait a minute..this isn’t really what I wanted, it will be too late. My opinion and I am just as entitled to it as anyone else is entitled to theirs. WAKE UP people. I love this country and it saddens me to watch what is happening to it.
Deep, you go off for quite a while, without naming actually one concrete action of Obama that you didn’t like.
Also, nobody says you’re not entitled to your opinion, so drop the victim-complex please.
@flan…there isn’t enough room on this blog for me to state all of the horrible stuff Obama has done to this country in three short years. Open your eyes and do your homework. Truth has no agenda…it’s all there for all the world to see. All you’ve gotta do is look around you. He’s the worse president we have ever had. That’s fact. Not opinion.
Oh, and I have no victim complex to drop. Only my right to my point of view. Peace out. 🙂
Your opinion is your opinion, but stating it as fact is wrong. And that’s my opinion.
Peace back 😉
@deep: You are so typical of conservatives. “Obama is the worst president we’ve ever had, yadda yadda yadda”. Yet when you try to pin them down and ask them to name one thing he’s done that’s so horrible, they never give you a straight answer.
The only crime he seems to be really guilty of in conservatives’ eyes is P.W.B. (Presiding While Black).
You want some Obama lies? Here you go:
I will be a one term president if this country’s economy does not turn around.
ObamaCare is not a tax.
Eric Holder doesn’t have to produce the documents for Fast and Furious, and I will protect his proven lies (and probably mine) by exerting Executive Privilege.
If you’ve ever studied how to tell if a person is lying, every time he speaks publicly you see every one of the signs.
Halting speech (vetting every word that comes out of his mouth – he is hiding a lot), shifty eye contact, keeps his head mostly down, carries a great deal of tension in his mouth – an unconscious thing that people who are lying will do to guard against the wrong thing coming out.
Romney may not be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he does none of the above. Plus he has done more with his life than squeak by in Law School and become an event planner. He has a very solid business background and this country needs to be run like a business in order to turn this economy around. We have suffered enough ideologies from a man who has put us into the trillions in national debt and who is not well acquainted with the truth.
Trillions of national debt? Sounds more like your friend Bush. A;so, a lot of those trillions wouldn’t be there in the first place if he hadn’t given tax breaks to the rich too.
A country that has such an enormous military machine should expect to pay taxes at least on par with those of European countries (which have not nearly as much of a military).
For women almost anything is better than Romney. Not because Romney himself is necessarily our great enemy, but because he’s going to ALLOW others take our rights and economic opportunties in exchange for support now.
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Momma Pitt is no exception.
ITA! That’s way we live in the USA, you can have your own opinion and no one else should diss you because you because of it. 🙂
True, but then it can also be my opinion that I don’t like someone’s opinion.
Some people tend to immediately say “I’m entitled to my opinion!” when someone disagrees, but they should realize that this makes little sense unless someone tells you to shut up.
Correction Sue, what we have in the good ol’ USA is the Freedom of Speech. For ALL.
You have the right to your opinion. But the moment you make it public knowledge, you therefore automatically gain the right to have your opinion challenged. You gain the right to have your opinion criticized, debated, commented.
For everyone else has the right to Freedom of Speech as well.
Whether this Jane Pitt is really Brad Pitt’s mother is inconsequential. True, the use of the Pitt family name gave her opinion broader coverage. And Simply by her action, making it public property nonetheless, by publishing it in her local newspaper, her every stated word is open to criticism.
I have never understood the intellectually lazy position, “Well, I have a right to my opinion.” Yes, you do. So did the Dixie Chicks and so does Jane Pitt.
What you do NOT have a right to is silent acceptance from all those other people who have the same right to THEIR opinion.
I personally think all this equating of disagreement with Obama as racism is absurd. I found the use of the term “house boys” in a previous post horrifyingly offensive. I’ve got about 50 opinions on this string of comments. I have a right to all 50 of them. IF I choose to voice them publicly, then every single person who sees my public statement has a right to respond with her own.
Yes. You have a right to your blessed opinion. You do NOT have the right of having that opinion respected. There are no legal consequences for espousing an opinion, but there are social and-sometimes-professional consequences for opening your mouth or grabbing a keyboard and making those opinions public.
With freedom comes responsibility.
Agreed. She is a private citizen. She can believe whatever she wants no matter how crazy. I know decent people with the most ignorant political beliefs. To each his/her own. As long as she isn’t out there proselytizing then she and her political beliefs don’t belong in the news.
Spot on francesca! Nothing rubs me the wrong way more then when a person is belittled for their beliefs. We are all individuals and are entitled to share our opinions without being maligned and bullied. So Brad and his Mom have different political views. So what? As a moderate Independant myself what I find in life is the liberals are far less tolerant of the conservatives then the other way around. A bit hypocritical if you ask me because the basis of a liberal is tolerance and acceptance.
And to those who have stated here about their parents embarrassing them. I am sure I have embarrassed my parents more then they could ever embarrass me…they love me despite that as I love them.
I agree that Jane Pitt has a right to express her opinion, but I find your comment on liberals being more intolerant of conservatives than the other way around to be a little skewed. There can be intolerance on both sides, but wouldn’t you have a very hard time with people who want to repeal human rights and freedoms for entire groups of people based on race, gender, or believing in a different god? I certainly do. I admit to being a foaming-mouthed liberal at times, but that is only because I get so furious at people who use veiled racism like “Hussein” to create us-vs-them scenarios to inflame emotion and make it impossible to discuss things rationally. Since a fair number of conservatives use these tactics, it’s hard for me to say that liberals are in any way more intolerant.
Also, I think many conservatives have a sense that their beliefs reflect what the “real America” thinks, and are therefore more secure in their positions. When you have history mostly on your side, it’s easy to feel that way.
@Chatcat..what you said is spot on!! The liberals are the ones that are the most intolerant people ever. Even though they say they are the most tolerant people. They will chew you up and spit you out because you disagree with them. I have as much right as an American to my opinion as they do. I am a proud conservative and that’s my right! God given. I am for less government not more government..as far as I am concerned government needs to stay the hell out of my life.
Mai…this thread alone supports my case that liberals are less tolerant of a conservative’s view. More then not, of the posts by liberals on here specifically offer a personal attack to somebody who has openingly communicated her beliefs on today’s social issues. Let’s see, we’ve had “crazy”, “stupid”, “mislead”, “kooky”, “twat”…and then one post a bit more subtle insinuating that it’s no wonder the Jolie-Pitt kids do not spend time with their grandparent unless supervised. Do any of those words seem tolerant to you?
Now let’s read the posts of the middle road (me!) and most of the conservative leaning or conservatives on here … not finding quite the personal bashing on Jane Pitt from that mindset, there are some from the same person, but generally more tolerant of Jane Pitt’s views, even if we/they don’t agree with them.
I respect and embrace strong opinions yes, personal attacks and bullying because somebody uses free speech to share them, uh no.
Pardon me for interrupting, ladies ! 😉
I think some people just don’t know how to debate, period. I get really agitated by some liberal (and conservative alike) friends that hurl insults instead of conversing in a rational way. Moderates on either end of the political spectrum seem to be more open-minded to discussion. I feel like if you’re confident in your beliefs then you shouldn’t have trouble expressing them in a rational manner, without resorting to insults and name-calling.
While I do believe that, sometimes, we liberals can play fast and loose when it comes to defending our beliefs (Rosie O’Donnell and Alec Baldwin come to mind), but to believe that the battering that Jane Pitt is getting is solely because she bruised some liberals’ sensibilities is a bit naive.
For years, this woman has been used, by both so-called teams for their own purposes. People wanted Jane to love Aniston more than Jolie; they wanted Jane to give Brad hell for leaving his marriage; they wanted her to be the holdout, when it came to accepting all of Brad’s family choices. Then, we saw pics of Jane seemingly happy to be in the company of Angelina, routinely visiting the grandkids, attending special high-profile functions associated with her children’s philanthropy/accomplishments. Of course, the harmony was interrupted with jabs that Jane had a better figure than Angelina’s; Jane seems to have a better personality/disposition than Angelina – you know, the typical sh!tstorms that come whenever the JPs are celebrating or in a harmonious place.
Personally, I can’t stand what Jane Pitt wrote, but I’ll live. Besides, I think that a person’s actions/behaviors speak to who they are, and from what I’ve seen, this woman isn’t a demon. Unfortunately, like most people who are associated with the JPs (but not really), she is being used as a pawn for whatever agenda a particular poster harbors. Brad’s sister, Julie, felt the wrath of posters when she did something that ran counter to what they projected on her i.e. adopting internationally when a certain person decreed publicly that it wasn’t ‘her thing’. People presumed that Julie was a participant of a Kitson-generated, thoroughly unnecessary cultural phenomenon known as Team Aniston versus Team Jolie, despite her doing nothing to foster that belief, and she caught hell for it. And like Jane, Julie chose a tiny, relatively isolated spot to express her beliefs and she got steamrolled for it.
This would’ve been the perfect opportunity to allow this particular issue to sink into people’s heads and demystify myths/flat out lies that were told, but noooooooooooooooo… this time, Jane is being pitched as some sort of liability for both teams or an indication of a flaw in Brad Pitt’s character, therefore he’s unworthy of Angelina. These people didn’t just meet a week ago and decided to see how this whole family thing will work out – THEY”VE BEEN A FAMILY FOR SEVEN YEARS!!!! They likely have an inkling about how each of them feels about issues, and yet they see each other several times a year, spend some holidays together, and seemingly get along with each other. It’s not going to stop just because of this current sh!tstorm.
Absolutely!
Agree! It’s a right I love to exercise!
Absolutely agree with you. And we all that the same right to disagree (vehemently!!) with it.
Angie has always said she was an Independent. She said that people assumed she was Democratic. but she was not. I think she as you said conservative on some issues and democratic on other. Well for the majority of people in the world that is the case. We are either depending on the issues. But I think Jane loves Angie and her son. So regardless of her opinions she loves her family. Brad has always been honest in his family views not being his. Angie said Brad stepped away from that.. and if memory serves she was attacked for saying it. But it is true. and Brad has always stated that his family was very conservative. But she looks to love her grandchildren; who are of different races. And not just the Jolie-Pitt kids. Brad’s sister adopted two children from Ethiopia (?). So she has her views. Brad obviously sees things differently.
lol as if christianity as a WHOLE still holds any moral high ground in the world. ill keep this short. god is love not hate and america is the land of the free…freedom of choice and equality for all.
Except for unborn girl babies, because f*ck them.
Brad’s Mom would probably get along great with Angelina’s Dad. He is also a staunch Republican.
Personally I think her views are bigoted and very narrow-minded, but she’s one of a whole set of people who share them. It’s a free country and they can vote for whomever but I just wish they wouldn’t believe so many of the lies and rhetoric. It’s not like Obama isn’t a family man (or even a Christian for that matter), and to call Romney “moral” in light of many of the things he’s done in the corporate world? Not by my definition.
Parents don’t always share your views. Not much Brad and Angie can do about that except maybe feel a little embarassed for their parents, but people will believe what they want to believe. I’d be more worried about what things they tell their grandchildren. I think I’m starting to see why they Pitt-Jolie clan doesn’t spend a whole lot of time with either grandparent camp except under (mostly) supervision.
Good post.
I agree – everyone’s entitled to their opinions, I just wish they were informed opinions. It bothers me when people spout off things that simply aren’t true, and are easily verifiable.
Suzy: Well said! I totally agree.
Again, I have no idea what’s going on. My question all along has been this: Using some really basic biographical details that apply to both Obama and Romney, (for instance: both men are married, both men are fathers, both men hold advanced degrees, heck maybe they both like the colour blue), there are a lot of things about them that are shared, identical even when examined with a quantitive mind. Still, we are asked to see differences where none exist and if this is how the game is played on the most superficial of levels, if the the facts are so brazenly ignored because of divisiveness-coloured glasses, it says to me that whatever your affiliation may be, if one feels compelled to reject the easiest and most proveable information about details so innoculous, if definitions of words and phrases change based on whoever has them in their hands, what can be said of a person’s approach to the interpretations of things that actually matter?
Both sides are and always have been engaged in that poisonous little courtship since time immemorial, but these days the spite towards ‘who said it’ is superceding ‘what was said and why’?
I listed the nods to their family lives because I imagined that by employing the most verifiable and common knowledge facts because I had hoped that it would illustrate the fact that not one person, not one party, not one election could ever credibly say that it has a lock on that hallowed notion of ‘family values’ since they both have committed themselves (and for decades) to spouses and children in that manner that would please the most traditionally-minded voter out there and that it would highlight the pettiness involved in praising one person and demonizing another for doing the same thing. Either they’re both degenerates or both are representatives of the fully-realized American Dream who disagree, but carry on as people underneath all of the ballyhoo. Judging them differently for doing the same thing–THAT’s the source of the frustration, not sour grapes over a failed guerilla Illumiati coup, or whatever.
So, okay already?
Hm. I get really irritated in those moments when those outlier Republicans suggest that they have a lock on goodness in their nation’s citizenry. It isn’t as if we non-Americans don’t know that crackpots like Coulter and Limbaugh are full of it, not representative or even sincere in their grandstanding, but Lord help me, Glen Beck’s ‘white culture’ arc just makes me tired. We know it’s a ratings and sales ploy, we know you’re better than the face that pundits painted, but we don’t get to see much of the politics for all of the extreme screeching.
I don’t really know how the din of righteousness over all is supposed to export a message that respects their nation. What I have read that comes from the font of insanity that is Fox News (not American, so don’t get the channel and am always a day late to the party) presents a modern-day minstrel show, which is just gross.
It’s as if they decided that at some point their party purchased ‘values’ and it’s under their dominion. And if it’s traditional values that you value in a president, look no further than your current president.
-Long-term marriage that doesn’t explode with Don Draper-levels of infidelity
-Children born in wedlock
-Kids who haven’t been caught doing something that isn’t quite above board–like getting drunk a party whilst still underage.
-Practicing christian
-Education
-Incredible amounts of professional success funded by skill and work ethic
-Money
etc. The man has given you all the ‘dos’ on your moral fortitude checklist
and still he’s a threat. Why do you suppose that is? Why is it that so many of the people who hate him most almost never bring up policy or even politics? If you’re speaking so much about how much you dislike the president, why don’t you ever get to the point where you’re saying something meaningful about his ‘president-ing’? Everything is about this scary netherworld where you carpool with Hitler, frequent the delicatessen with Lizzie Borden, toss Baby Jessica into a well (of malt liqour) and visit the spas with Bathory? What is the panicky and nubulous gossip going to do for anyone’s credit rating?
Do you really, REALLY believe that if a Republican becomes the next president he’ll close down all of the clinics just like that time all of the past presidents didn’t?
JoMama”It’s as if they decided that at some point their party purchased ‘values’ and it’s under their dominion. And if it’s traditional values that you value in a president, look no further than your current president.
-Long-term marriage that doesn’t explode with Don Draper-levels of infidelity
-Children born in wedlock
-Kids who haven’t been caught doing something that isn’t quite above board–like getting drunk a party whilst still underage.
-Practicing christian
-Education
-Incredible amounts of professional success funded by skill and work ethic
etc.
-Money
The man has given you all the ‘dos’ on your moral fortitude checklist
and still he’s a threat. Why do you suppose that is? Why is it that so many of the people who hate him most almost never bring up policy or even politics?”
Lets just look at your bullet points:
* Don Draper levels of fidelity? Like Kennedy, LBJ, who? Or is it only okay for libs to cheat on their wives and we only condemn repubs? Bush never cheated on his wife and neither did Romeny, so we will call this a nothing arugment.
* Children born in wedlock? Who? Bush was, romney was, their children where, so once again I dont understand your arguemnt here. Obama wasnt, so is this an attack on his mom?
* Kids who havent been caught drinking underage…of course they are still young so we will give them time. romeny’s kids never were. So I assume you are talking abOUT bush, but why? that was so 4 years ago.
*Practicing Christian. Yes Romney is. He goes to church weekly from what I understand. Obama, not so much. he doesnt go to church and he refused to have the National Day of prayer, his gov’t is all for the armed forces not being able to say God or Jesus, but he did have muslims over for prayer time and joined them in prayer. Not very Christian.
* Education. How do you know about obama’s education? did he finally release his transcripts? Bush went to Yale AND Harvard. Romney went to stanford and then transferred to BYU. while Bush didnt get the greatest grades he still did better than Gore and once again, we dont know what Obama got.
*Incredible amounts of professional success funded by skill and work ethic. Yes Romney has shown this hasn’t hE? how many vacays has Obama taken and he is on what his 105th round of golf this aFternoon?
*Money. yes O has had some books published. he has had a lot of money throw money at him. Romney has worked for his and has done well.
Why dont I like O? because I dont agree with where he wants to take this country. Just like every other person who disagrees with him thinks. It doesnt make us racist or a hater, it just makes it our opinion.
(Sorry for any typos, my intenet stinks!)
Sarah, your level of misinformation is scary.
Poppy Bush had a long term mistress. Google Jennifer Fitzgerald. Obama is illegitimate? Who told you that? Rush? Underage drinking. Are you saying that the Obama girls a destined to do it? Education. Has Romney released his transcripts? How about his back taxes? How many offshore accounts is he hiding? Vacations. This one I really love. Bush spent almost literally half of his presidency on his phony pig ranch in Crawford, TX. Religion. Obama is not a Muslim and Saint Ronny Reagan didn’t go to church.
Sarah, I say again, you are scary. You are, indeed, entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
@Sarah: Obama is illegitimate?! Have you lost your marbles? Or are you just creeped out that his white mother married a black man?
I don’t understand what you’re saying.
Forget policy for now, I’m not American but being on the outside can give you a pretty interesting view. He’s not allowed to be successful, so he has to be an elitist, he’s not allowed to be a practicing Protestant who could show up at your church and soak in the sermon with his alleged brethren, so he has to be a horribly caricatured Muslim. He’s not allowed to occupy that influential and highest office in all of America, so he has to be dubiously censured with trash that dubiously renders him as ineligible due to crypto-nationality. He’s not allowed to be the leader of a nation, so his ambition is read as elitism. What, does he have to shuck ‘n’ jive back to Kenya with his head hanging low for upsetting the natural order? Power couched in that ‘natural order’ meant centuries of unquestioned primogeniture and Holy Roman Empire’s Funniest Consanguinuity Disasters.
When people try to dress up their bigotry with false concern, when fact is discarded and history refuted because the White House isn’t staying that way, it makes people look stupid. When people place spite for one man above the comfort of his countrymen (gin-titted Limbaugh, anyone?) it makes people look really fucking stupid.
I’d be perfectly happy if people could disagree with aspects of his presidency without launching into rabid denunciations of his very existence.
My point is that ‘politics’ is increasingly treated as a four-letter world in the political realm. People attack the man and if there’s time they’ll pay lip service to disagreeing with his policy. Evidently, there’s never time for that because the bloviating never ceases. You hear talk about the ‘American Dream’ and that even the lowliest ant in the colony has a real chance at success if he works and believes. Was that just cynical posturing to keep people quiet?
It’s not even that people don’t believe it’s true, it’s that they don’t want to believe it could be true.
Romney and Obama have some things in common outside of this presidential race, so let’s compare: they’re married, have kids, wear pants and all of that. What is it in these twinned personal trajectories that makes Obama a be-deviled curse and Romney a virtuous family man?
If you can do everything that is required to make yourself into a ‘good’ man in the eyes of your peers and still be the devil incarnate, if you ace the pop quiz and have your efforts rewarded with a failing grade, if you answered the questions in a manner that so closely mirrors those answers given by some other kid on the other side of the class and watch him receive praise, watch people pretzel themselves trying to find some avenue that will lead back the home base of ‘What You Did, Lucifer’, something is really wrong.
Sarah –
You mock an allusion to Bush as “so four years ago”, then bring up unfaithful democratic presidents from 50 years ago – make up your mind.
As to your point regarding unfaithful democratic presidents, surely you know the old saying in politics – a democrat is caught in bed with another woman, a republican is caught in bed with an underage boy.
^^^THIS. LMAO @mayamae! oh so true. But I think the PC expression here would be “hiking the Appalachian Trails”!
okay lets do this again, i never originally brought up about cheating presents jomama did. neither of the people running for president cheated on their wives, that was the point i was trying to make by bringing up 50 year old presidents. Get it now?
and yes 1 republican was allegedly in the bathroom supposedly looking for gay sex, so now all republicans are closeted gays? Please. Libs love gays unless you have an R behind your name and then you are the worst person alive.
O said in his book he questioned whether his parents were ever really mararied because A) there was no documentation to show for it and B) Sr was married to a woman in Kenya at the same time.
So yes, the fact that i read his words and took them as such, makes me a racist who is now against interacial marriage……massive eyeroll…..i will tell my sister and her black husband and adorable biracial nieces today what a racist i am. and i have used O’s middle name a couple of times. ZOMG, i am the worst. Maybe momma pitt and i can be interred in a camp somewhere until we learn the correct way.
And this crap is why i went from independent leaning left to independent leaning right. there are bigger things going on in the world other than who can marry whom and how many babies you can abort.
F–k it. Girl crush on Jo Mama initiated.
Also helps Jolie with her Mother-in-law. She comes from a conservative family just like Brad. Gives her some knowledge of conservatism and relatives with conservative beliefs. Its less shocking when you have been exposed to it and its easier to relate.
I have doubts on this newspaper, first they confirmed it was Jane Pitt. Then they denied it, saying it was not Jane. Then they changed again and said it was Jane. How hard is it to verify the news you’re posting?
If it is her then No wonder Brad has a really difficult connection with religion.
I can see her and jon voight getting along in regards to politics .
I don’t want to generalize too much because my in-laws live in California and are older and very liberal, but I tend to think older people who come from fairly conservative cities think this way.
My parents are from a more conservative city than LA and are kind of halfway on issues. They aren’t thrilled with Obama, don’t want Romney, yet are not for gay marriage or abortion and have very conservative views on that sort of thing. On the other hand, they hold no ill will against gay people like the extremists do.
I have to admit I struggle to separate myself from their beliefs because sometimes they make very convincing arguments. They’re not pushy people though and generally only talk about the subject if I bring it up.
Everyone’s entitled to believe what they want.
Your examples above really seem to reflect the current trend in politics. I see more and more people who hold political/moral views that are antithetical to their political affiliation.
Personally, I’m encouraged by this trend-it’s symptomatic of a move towards free-thinking and away from indoctrination. It’s nice to see people who don’t SOLELY subscribe to their political party’s ideas, that there is some variation/moderation in between.
I agree, it is encouraging. I’ve run across far more people that identify with the middle than those that are staunchly either side..
I once blindly followed a political party when I was pretty young and then woke the hell up and realized I wasn’t thinking.
Now I don’t like anyone. I really do believe they’re all crooks, phonies, liars or spineless puppets.
I’ve really turned into a curmudgeon.
@tmbg-I too was once very passionate about politics but truth be told, the older I get, the more burnt out I feel. I don’t identify myself as a Dem anymore, mainly because I’ve been disappointed way too many times.
Also, I find politics to be SO divisive. I still have my “key issues” that I will ardently defend but for the most part, I feel disillusioned and disempowered when it comes to the government. I guess I feel no real respresentation, which is sad.
Early promotional work for Killing Them Softly… Hope La Jolie continue to stay out of this stuff
Typical make a big stink about abortion. And ignore that Romney and his ilk would be more than willing to do nothing for actual born children, especially the poor ones.
This so much.
Once a baby from a poor family is born, they start treating it like shit, but they will do everyhing they can to force it into the world.
I don’t think Angie is a Republican she kind of denied that rumour when a ‘real journalist’ asked her if she hates Obama. I think she keeps her mouth zipped on politics so that she can do her UN work…still some of the charities I’ve heard about such as legal aid for underage illegals are so far from the right wing agenda.
I wonder if her and Jon Voight get along.
Actually, I heard Angelina say in an interview that she voted for Obama but wouldn’t vote for him again. She said it was a mistake. Which, she is entitled to state. I LOVE her father. Angelina leans more to the right than people think. She doesn’t talk politics much. She can’t because of her UN position. And, I thinks her and her father agree more than people know. Brad is the big liberal and she has said they get into it about things from time to time. Liberals get down right ugly when you disagree with them.
Angelina has said she is an independent
I call bullshit. Where’s the link to this supposed interview where Jolie says voting for Obama “was a mistake”?
@runs with, Call it what you want..but she did say that she didn’t think she would vote for him again. Look it up online. She wasn’t sure she was going to vote for him the first go around. But, she did.
Angelina isn’t as left leaning as Brad..that’s fact. She has said that at times they really get into it politically. And, have to agree to disagree. Her words..not mine. It may have been in a Vogue magazine or something. Don’t remember.
At the time when she voted for Obama she said she thought he was the best choice for her family. Well, now she says that she doesn’t think that way anymore.
@run with…here’s one link..I’ll find more if you like.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/angelina-jolie-not-a-fan-of-obama-20092411
Since your source of info is that bastion of serious journalism known as Us Weekly, I’ll let Angelina tell you exactly how she feels about it directly from her, and not an anonymous source.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/10/exclusive-angelina-jolie-disappointed-in-obama-video/
No, you’re wrong. When a reporter asked her about that in DC while promoting INLOBIH she said where did you get your information US weekly?
Again reading the tabs for facts.
and this is gossip why? She is American and entitled to her own beliefs whether we agree with them or not.
+1
Exactly.
it’s news because she is saying that american citizens dont deserve equal civil liberties? i think it’s also news because she is saying that the President supports baby killing…which is a very harsh thing to call abortion. it minimizes the weight a woman feels when she has to make that choice. it’s scary and ignorant…but yes, she is allowed to speak her mind. this is america after all…where we are all free and equal…oh, the irony.
It’s new because she Brad Pitt mother.
Of course it’s a “harsh” way to refer to abortion. People who are anti-abortion are that way because they BELIEVE unborn babies are human beings. I am legally pro-choice, just so you have a reference point on my own opinion, but I’m also a person with the ability to stop using my feelings to make judgments and break out my reason.
Women who are pro-choice believe that abortion is necessary to preserve the sovereign right of a person to govern what happens to his/her own body. They do not typically believe that fetuses are people. Their belief is based on an honestly righteous belief that denying abortion will force women to go through something against their will and violate her civil rights. They view forced pregnancy/delivery of an unwanted child as being equal in its criminality to forced abortion/sterilization. It’s not about the baby for pro-choice folks. It’s about the mother.
Pro-life people are pro-life because they BELIEVE that unborn babies are babies. They honestly and righteously believe that when a woman terminates a pregnancy, she is killing a PERSON. Now. If you honestly believed that each abortion was someone violently murdering a baby, would you speak about it in PC terms? Or would you be harsh?
This whole demonizing people who disagree with us schtick is intellectually disingenuous (that means a “lie” we tell while pretending we don’t know it’s a lie). So…you can choose to say that Jane Pitt is racist and horrible and completely deserving of a violent and painful eternity in Hell for being so evil…or you could calmly and rationally debate her views.
One makes people respect you; the other just makes you look like a slavering and scary lunatic (you know, except to people who look and think just. like. you.).
Did anyone say that she shouldn’t be allowed to speak? Doesn’t everyone else share that right to comment with her? No and yes, respectively, so what’s the problem?
True.. but people should be careful who they hate.. it could be someone they love ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Does Jane have a problem with Moslems too?
She had to mention “Hussein”.
This is the issue I’m having with her letter…the other things, that’s her opinion and she is entitled to it. But the need for her to write out his full name so everyone is aware its “different” is making me want to tell her to take a damn seat. I hate it, and its nothing more than prejudice to me. Let’s remind people Obama Hussein sounds like Saddam Hussein and Saddam was all for radical Islamic ideas etc…That’s nothing more than her feeding into the subconscious prejudice, hate, and racism that people have.
Agreed – I can’t stand when people do that kind of childish thing. It’s just a name, get over it.
I’m sure there are some bad people throughout history with the name “Jane” or “Pitt” too, or any other name you can think of. It’s such a dumb argument.
@Lena80 – I wish people wouldn’t use the name Hussein as short hand for terror. We would have to stop using many names based upon infamously named people. eg Vladimir [The Impaler, Putin] or David [Miscavige] or Jeffrey [Dahmer,Epstein], Mary [Bloody Mary], Catherine [De Medici], Nicolae [ceausescu], Kim [all those North Korean dictators] and so on and so forth.
@ Lena80:
Totally agree with you.
“Saddam was all for radical Islamic ideas etc…”
Actually, Saddam was very secular and not religious. He definitely was not for Islamic ideas. Iraq was never an Islamic state and he had no intention of turning it into one. That’s why the U.S. supported him for a long time.
FYI, Bashar Al-Assad from Syria is also secular.
I had to put this out there. Just because a person is a dictator in the Middle East does not mean he stands for radical Islamic ideas or that he rules based on Islamic shariah. Mubarak, Assad, Hussein, Ghaddafi, Ben Ali…while Muslim, they all governed secular states.
Asiyah, thank you for the explanation. I was partially unaware of that.
I too have an issue about using “hussein”. Yes, she’s entitled to her opinions but that Rhetoric made me cringed.
Asiyah: Thank you, I was about to correct that. Also throws a wrench in one of the justifications given for the Iraq invasion; that Saddam was harboring and supporting Al-Qaeda. Saddam and Al-Qaeda were at opposite ends concerning secularism. I highly doubt Saddam and Osama would have been friends.
Sign of the times. I’ve seen otherwise rational people go completely berserk any time they hear of anything that sounds remotely related to Islam.
Hussein is his middle name. She didn’t make that up or something. Sad when simply stating a TRUTH makes others label them as discriminatory in some way.
Oh give me a break.
She didn’t name Romney’s middle name. There’s only one reason why she mentioned Obama’s middle name and that is to remind the conservative nutjobs of his father’s religion though he was raised as a Christian. But he is also black and that is the real problem for her and her like.
If she was simply using his full name, if this is really innocent, then why choose to use Barack’s middle name and not also Mitt’s?
No, Mrs. Pitt is not dumb, it was not an accident. She is an intelligent woman who was writing an essay for print in a public forum. Her words were chosen carefully and with purpose. She chose to highlight his name to highlight his perceived differences from the regular folk in that part of the country. To say otherwise is ignorance. Of course the words are true, they have to be to make the point. I think we have all experienced “twisting” words or presenting information in a specific way in order to develop a specific response from the listener/reader.
She is definitely entitled to her opinion and can use his full name if she wants, but don’t pretend that it wasn’t done with purpose and intent.
Actually, she did use Mitt’s middle name… it’s Mitt! hahahahaha
Willard Mitt Romney.
Probably didn’t use that one for it would have precluded a British invasion to the rest of the ignorant dingbats.
She’d obviously prefers it be a much more reviled Arab one.
Please note my use of Arab and not Islamic. An Arab sounding word is not automatically Islamic, seeing how the Arab world still to this day is constituted of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, with their many sub-cultural religious sects.
Our country with its imbecilic “Axes of Evil” only served to dumb us down into further cultural ignorance, and prosecute anything Arab sounding.
@Maguita: Never mind that the country with the most Muslims is (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNN!) Indonesia (aka not Arab).
Brad. If you haven’t swayed your Mama yet…
Sigh.
Bigots will be bigots. Even my very late grandmother – who called Oprah “Ophrey” despite the fact that she watched O’s show everyday, religiously – learned to keep her mouth shut on her ugly opinions. But then again, that was in the 80s early 90s when PC was in full force.
I don’t believe this is true until Jane or one of the Pitts confirms it.
Springfield has a small town feel to it. Likely the editor just made a mistake initially and either Jane Pitt or her son Doug called the paper to say that it was her. It’s likely not that big a deal locally.
I’m certain it’s not a big deal locally (read not a controversial opinion). My parents still live up there and this is the ‘popular’ opinion of President Obama in that area…our differences are our strengths….
I was just coming to the same conclusion. No matter what her views, I cannot imagine that she’d used such inflammatory words like “baby killing” or invoke the President’s middle name. Those are cheap tactics and She seems smarter and classier than that.
What about political views of Doug Pitt, the second most famous Pitt in his family?
Doug is conservative
Surprised there aren’t more Jane hates Angelina comments. It’s only news because of Brad. I am surprised she’s so conservative.
I wondered about that too. But I think the anti-Angelina pro-Aniston side is quiet because they realize that if Aniston is still close with Mrs Pitt, given her views, it doesn’t reflect well on Aniston. I think thats why they’re quiet. Imo, I consider Aniston and Mrs Pitt to be bigoted and racists (esp Aniston – re Handler’s comments on JP kids) so I think its quite a badge of honor for Jolie if shes not close to Mrs Pitt, and a thorn in the side of the pro-Aniston side that Aniston tolerates Mrs Pitt so well…. Birds of a feather, etc. I believe Aniston is VERY racist. There is no upside, benefit or pride for Pro-JA side to talk up Aniston’s connection with Mrs Pitt, especially in light of this. Just my take.
Jennifer Aniston is a racist because she’s friendly with Brad Pitt’s mom? You’ve got to be kidding!
Er blondie, instead of foaming at the keyboard, actually read through the entire comment. I said due to her friendship of and hiring *Handler* to say racist things about Brad’s children on her behalf. That attempt was lame blondie, even for you.
She hired Handler? You know this for a fact or are you simply choosing to believe this because you dislike Aniston? I guess Mrs Pitt must have been in on this too because she’s friendly with Aniston.
Blonde on the dock; Handler (new Huvane recruit) intros Aniston while calling the JP kids names, Aniston walks in on cue grinning like a cheshire cat – on 2 occasions. That is NOT an accident! Her and Handler went away on a Thanksgiving vacation for 2 just the 2 of them and on their return Handler immediately launches into her most vicious attack on Jolie yet and calls her the c word. What do you think they were discussing on that trip for 2? Certainly not the stock exchange.
Yet you want to believe this is allllll one big coincidence. Rolls eyes. Look I know you don’t want to see it because you don’t want to think Aniston is that way, but there are only too many coincidences before you have to admit the reality to yourself. I think deep down you know you just don’t want to admit it to yourself.
I wouldn’t think Jane hates Angelina. They did used to write about that in the beginning of her and Brads relationship because Jane didn’t know Angelina yet and she loved Jennifer. But, how could anybody hate Angelina? Doesn’t everybody love her?? I know I do. LOL! I do…I think she is beautiful and has a very kind heart. I love her. Ha! 🙂
Pitts Mom is a Southern Baptist, and as someone who was raised that way, they are taught what to think and who to vote for from childhood. (No one teaches them to think for themselves or even investigate the fact that these “conservative” candidates would sell themselves to Satan if it would get them elected.) She’s an old woman, she isn’t going to change at this point, the only one who can change her is God (if you believe in her) and as you can see she’s got her work cut out for her. Just leave her to it.
Don’t generalize, I was raised Southern Baptist and am very capable of thinking or voting for myself.
Then you are one of the few. Ever listen to Christian radio/tv much? I have all of my life and they don’t take kindly to those who believe differently. She has the right to believe what she wants,as we all do, but I’m also well aware of how the organization does things.
I will admit to leaving at 12 yrs, like most of my family but I do still have great-aunts, uncles in the church and they have never said anything like Mrs. Pitt. I know where you’re coming from, because I knew people like that but they were few, minority really. However, I’m sorry to hear that’s what you’ve gone through..
try being less judgmental.
This is not about being judgemental, this is about the last 20 years of my life working for that organization~hence I know what I’m talking about. 20 years working with pastors and their staff and churches big and small this stuff is standard fare. As I said before, she has the right to believe what she wants, it’s the core of her belief system, it’s how they roll and it is what it is.
If you think I’m being judgemental,so be it. You too have that right.
Nice to hear that there is ONE sane human being in the Pitt family!
Agree! (Though I do support gay marriage.)
@Johnny…I think all of his family is sane except for Brad. LOL! And, he’s totally hard core left. I think when these people become famous they are surrounded by left wingers and pretty much have to be. I’ve heard some stars speak about it. They say from the top on down, if they find out you are conservative in that town they won’t let you work. So, you pretty much have to be a closet conservative in tinsel town. Rob Lowe has talked about it before. So has Bo Derek and a few others.
I’m waiting for you to mention the “Jew-controlled Hollywood”.
If Bo Derek has a problem getting a job it’s because she has no talent.
Rob Lowe has had plenty of jobs – he chooses to quit at will. BTW he has campaigned for dems.
Yeah, I’ve heard these two guys named Schwarzeneger and Bruce Willis could have been big action stars if only Hollywood forgave their republicanism.
There’s also this poor old man who could have been a famous actor and director if the big bad liberals hadn’t held him back. Name’s Clint Eastwood.
Give me a break. What’s next? A tale of the “White Man’s Burden”?
Good message Lisa2!
Angelina once had a relationship with a woman. I doubt she is that conservative.
Mary Cheney just married a woman she is conservative, Aj supports death penalty .She also supports marriage equality she told Jerry P on Extra.
I fail to see the connection. One cannot be bisexual and conservative at the same time? If AJ really IS bisexual, which I doubt. It’s just one of those stories that sticked, but has anyone ever seen her with a woman? I think she just experimented a little when she was in her early 20s. You know, like we all did.
Modal jenny shimizu and Angilena started dating for years and would have gotten married if it was legal jenny shimizu also says that she and Angilena were on again off again lovers for years. If she had more female lovers it’s not public knowledge.
I never experimented with another woman so I dont know how you could say “like we all did” when that is untrue.
@kim I don’t think Cherry meant it like you took it. I think what she was trying to say is that Angelina experimented with different things when she was younger. And, girls were part of that experimentation. Like some young people experiment with drugs, alcohol etc…she didn’t mean we all experimented with having sex with the same sex. She meant that all of us experiment with things at that age.
Springfield, Mo is one of the most conservative places in America. There are tons of mega churches. It is also primarily white because on the early 1900s the KKK went on a lynching spree and everyone nonwhite fled. Springfield is horrible.
Yes, Angie supports gay marriage and she’s talked about several times- here is one on video at the Kung Fu Panda DVD launch. At just past the 3 min mark she calls marriage equality a “justice issue” when Nancy O’Dell asks her about Prop 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtygthDeDps&feature=related
Thank you. This site is funny. We can’t blame Brad for his mothers views but Angelina’s views are probably pretty close to the bigots. Lmaooooooooo Angie is bisexual and Maddox has two lesbian godmothers fcol.
Re: the video. I like how Angie says she wants gay marriage for her gay friends and not because she wants to get married. *cough*pitt*cough*
If she didn’t have a famous son, her opinion wouldn’t have shown up in the paper. That is what bothers me about anyone that uses their family member or close friend’s “celebrity” to push their opinions.
How do we know this article is true? I’m sure this is not the 1st time Brad’s family has an opinion about anything since Brad got famous. Why post something now? What makes this more news worthy than any other opinion Jane had before. I’m sure Jane has lots of opinion about Obama. Why didn’t she respond to letters about other political/religeous beliefs before. This probably not the 1st time Jane wrote something (if she did). 1st Jane talked about the wedding gift and now this. I am not sure I believe this. Not until the Pitt family confirms she did write the letter.
Not true. Newspapers in towns that size publish most letters if they aren’t obscene. In fact, my southern town is a few times the size of Springfield and I’m surprised at some of the letters that get published in the local paper.
Uh well, of course none should judge one person by his parents. I mean, people grow up and change and thank god Brad did.
Sure, she’s no devil but really, if I was a christian I would be kind of ashamed of people like her.. going on a rant like that. I guess Brad is face-palming right now, after reading the news.
Oh and anyway I think Angelina and Brad think the same about gay-marriage and so on, she seems very understanding. I bet she prefers to get attention on other problems (refugees and such), seeing as her partner talk a lot about the other subjects (NOLA, gay-marriage and all). I mean, they share the problems.
Brad is a liberal democrat and his brother is a republican. I wonder which way their sister thinks? Having adopted two Ethiopian children I doubt she is conservative.
does that mean conservatives don’t adopt non-white children?
Brad’s sister is a STAUNCH conservative.
Janet, there is a very politically conservative family at my church who also adopted Ethiopian children. I don’t understand why you would think that conservatives are unwilling to adopt children from Africa.
I don’t think politics has much to do with adopting non-white children. In fact, I believe there’s quite a few super-conservative (socially/culturally) super-religious types who specifically try to adopt from countries where the kids would otherwise grow up “heathens”. Or at least not the right type of Christianity.
So their motive for adopting from a third-world country is “save-a-heathen”?
Jesus wept.
@Janet, what does having adopted children have to do with politics?? I know of conservative that adopted children from Africa. What does that have to do with anything???
I should also add that even if a conservative adopts a non-white child, obviously it isn’t necessarily about “saving a heathen”, obviously it could just be another adoption lol.
I’m not so much bothered by her opinion, she is entitled to it after all, however I am bothered by her “Barack Hussein Obama” remark. I’ve seen this a lot with SOME white ultra conservative republicans and it screams prejudice to me. It’s as if she is making sure to let everyone know not to vote for this man with the non traditional American sounding name… in other words not white. She cleary emphasized the President’s name in her letter yet she did not write out Willard Mitt Romney. She just displayed, in MY opinion, sub concious prejudice/racism. And before anyone points it out, I’m fully AWARE that she has adopted grandchildren of different racial backgrounds and she accepts and loves them, BUT it still doesn’t negate the fact she felt the need to emphasize the President’s full name which obviously rubs her the wrong way because it doesn’t sound American/White enough for her. Mom Pitt h officially earned my “side eye “. And just an FYI, people don’t have to come out and SAY racist or prejudice things in order for them to be labeled as such, but they sure as hell can display it on a subconscious level.
It is SO unapologetically racist to feel the need to add the “Hussein” when mentioning Obama’s name. This is something that ONLY ultra-conservatives do.
The insinuation is very very clear.
And this is what is making me think she probably tolerates and cares for her adopted grandchildren vs unconditionally loving them. You know, just going with the flow and doing it for the sake of her family. I’ve seen it before.
@ Lena80:
That’s a depressing perspective…but also very possible.
They use “Hussein” as an insult- as in, there’s something shameful about having a Muslim sounding middle name. It’s distressing for a lot of reasons, but knowing that this woman in particular has 5 adopted grandchildren from African and Asian countries, it’s particularly troublesome. I have no doubt that she loves her grandchildren, but bigotry is bigotry.
^^ what you said!!!!!!
Agree with you all above.
Right… stating someone’s middle name is obviously about racism. I remember all of those letterists who always felt the need to say “W” when Bush was in office. It doesn’t matter that Obama has referred to himself as “Barack Hussein Obama” (b/c after all it IS his name!) at all does it? Obviously, if anyone else says it (esp if they’re white, God forbid!) they MUST be racists.
@omgseriously-You can’t possibly be that naive. The addition of ‘W’ was a way of distinguising junior George Bush from senior George Bush. Right, because Obama always refers to himself as Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Really-who are you trying to fool?
Given that George H. W. Bush was no longer President I don’t think the distinction was really necessary, do you?
I’m not naive, but I am sick of the hypocrisy. If someone says something against a conservative they’re “enlightened” or “getting to the truth” (some bs like that). If someone says something about a democrat (esp Obama) they’re racist!
Has anyone talked about a recent memo from Obama’s camp calling for them to “Kill Romney?” Can you imagine the $hit storm that would erupt if someone said that about Obama? (and rightfully so actually). I’m against these kinds of outrageous remarks, but the outrage seems to be very onesided: against republicans. Democrats get a pass on EVERYTHING! It’s disgusting. Reps get in trouble for using someone’s given name, but dems can say “kill Romney” and it’s fine. Redonkulus!!
You have to be kidding, right? You are striking me as having some “issues” about race yourself.
Thanks for proving my point, meanchick! 😉
IMO there is a definite intent when people use his middle name in that manner. There was no intent behind W other than to differentiate between him and his father (just like adding the Quincy when discussing one Adams vs the other). Bush senior’s presidency ended but he was not erased from history, so I do think the distinction was and is necessary. The 2 situations are not comparable, IMO.
@omgseriously- a HUGE pet peeve of mine is when people “play dumb”. If you’re going to keep insisting that she was simply using Hussein because that is Obama’s middle name then well, we just need to agree to disagree.
Another pet peeve of mine is when people bring up extreme examples when they really have no place in this forum. I’m not going to defend people I don’t know who chose to associate themselves with my political affiliation, just like I’m not responsible for what they say. The majority of my friends are liberals and I have never heard them say “Kill Romney” as they are intelligent, thoughtful people. Frankly, I would advise that you refrain from opening up that can of worms because I can think of about 80 examples off the top of my head of conservative Republicans spewing hateful, mysoginistic, racist comments. Oh but I suppose in your mind that’s fine right? Please-just don’t go there. SMH…
‘W’ was often said because it separated Bush from his father. Just like the media and people saying, George ‘Herbert or H Bush. You do remember we had 2 Georges Bushs?
President John Adams.
–Wait, which one?
Exactly.
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King Henry.
–Wait, which one?
Exactly.
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Pope Innocent.
–Wait, which one?
Exactly.
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Lives do not have to be swallowed up by the expanse of time, confusions, misattributions and the like because we didn’t bother to identify them specifically and in a concrete way.
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Barack Obama.
–Which one?
The only one. How much clarification is needed for those experiences of uniqueness? If we clump everything together because they’re similar, Mrs. Brad Pitt’s mother might find herself being played by Cicely Tyson at some point and that wouldn’t make a lick of sense.
@JoMama: Don’t forget the French Louis’. There are 18 of those guys!!
I agree with you. I also think that her emphasis on Obama’s middlename could be an indicator of her prejudice towards Islam (and not different ‘races’).
As others pointed out we don’t know how much is real in this story.
lena80..that’s his name..why does it bother you that she used it?? That’s his name!!
You really don’t get it? I don’t buy it but let me repeat..there’s no need to use his middle name because people know who he is. Yes, of course there may be an instance where his middle name may be mentioned, but certainly not in this context, a letter in support of his opponent.
Using his middle name IN THAT CONTEXT is a deliberate tactic to incite fear and prejudice. End of story.
What bothers me is the context in which she used it. Please try not to be that naive in thinking she just stated his full name to state it. She did the same thing that Limbaugh, O’Reily, and other ultra conservatives have done…emphasize his “different” “Muslim” sounding middle name so people buy into the Obama isn’t American rhetoric. Like I stated earlier, she’s entitled to her opinion…but her use of his full name to get her point across is nothing more than bigotry.
Do Brand and Ang still live in the US? What is their voting precinct? I don’t even think they vote, so I’m ducking out of this convo.
You do realize that American overseas do vote too.
Their residence of record is California. So not to fear. They can vote even if they are overseas at the time. My Brother lived overseas for years and voted in every election.
I’ve voted when living overseas. Your ballot is mailed to you after you request a ballot. Your state just mails you the ballot.
“and is a liberal who supports the killing of unborn babies and same-sex marriage.”
I love how she uses “liberal” as if it’s an insult. “Killing of unborn babies”? Um, yikes.
Anyway, as posters have mentioned above, she’s entitled to her (sadly misguided imo) opinion. She’s obviously a loving mother and Brad seems to respect and love her deeply-THAT supercedes any of her political rhetoric. That being said, I am REALLY happy that my parents and I are on the same page politically.
I’m getting the impression being called “liberal or atheist” in the US is meant as an insult and it’s worse than being a criminal or pedophile.
Even more ironic how much the word “socialist” is thrown around to blacklist people when in my opinion Jesus himself was a socialist.
@ Sara-ITA. I was raised by atheist parents and have been an atheist my whole life. Grew up in a vehemently Irish Catholic town and was teased and called a devil-worshipper by classmates after I told them I didn’t believe in God. After that I stopped using the term “atheist” as openly but as I’ve gotten older, I’ve reclaimed it in hopes of de-stigmatizing the term.
As far as LIBERAL–“tolerant” , “receptive”, “free”,
“flexible”, “unconventional”.
Those adjectives are all compliments imo so no shame there.
http://thesaurus.com/browse/liberal
ITA, Sara!
You too, TOK!
@Sara – me too.
TheOriginalKitten –
I have read in previous posts that you are an atheist. I’ve secretly found that rather brave since as Sara suggests, in many parts of the U.S. it’s more acceptable to be a child molester (as long as you’re a Christian one of course).
Oh, Sara, most people who throw out the “socialist” label can’t even define socialism.
I, for one, am a socialist, an agnostic, a third wave feminist, a veteran, and an American.
I can break this whole issue down simple enough. Ready? Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t get gay married. Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one. Don’t like “government” telling you what to do? Then don’t tell others what to do, how to live, how to love, etc. and don’t expect “government” (you know, the thing you hate and say is the problem?) to order others to live how YOU want them to live. Live and let live*, mmmkay?
(aside from abusing and raping people, or being inhumane to animals, or doing anything that directly affects the health and lives of others, i.e. dumping toxic waste into water supplies, killing someone while driving under the influence, etc. You should go to jail for life for that shit.)
The O.K.
Agnostic scares people far less. Or it offends folk far less. When I switched terms I immediately noticed a difference in how my comments were then perceived by others
To Lem-Oh totally! The term “Agnostic” seems much more amenable to the public. I think the issue is the perception of atheism as lazy or somehow soulless, callous and insensitive.
Do you know what I’m getting at? The general consensus is that if you’re atheist then that means you don’t care enough, that you don’t think deeply about things, and that you are a cold, calculating scientist who really doesn’t nurture your spirit. Not true.
For me, I have thought very long and hard about religion/belief in God and came to atheism as the thing that most closely reflects my belief system. That being said, I really pride myself on not criticizing others’ religious beliefs (or lack of). It’s just the ultimate disrespect and says more of the critic than the believer. Believe what you want, just don’t try to get me to believe what you believe in, ya know?
I have never – not once, been asked my religion in a social setting. Perhaps this is odd, but it is true. Nor have I ever been asked my political affiliation except at the voting polls. I now vote by mail. I am fairly old, so does my experience mirror others who have never been asked?
Sassy, I’m in my mid 40s and in my experience people don’t typically ask those kinds of questions. That’s the kind of information that usually comes out once you’ve gotten to know someone.
Kitttttteeeeennnnn! How are you? OMG I was raised Catholic and the boys have been raised Catholic with 12 years of Catholic school (yes I was completely broke before college tuition was even a factor!) Anyhow, you have completely different views and beliefs then me and guess what? I love and respect you totally~
I am heading down on the beach after lunch today…gearing up for a housefull of 20 somethings again for the weekend. They are a blast but damn I can’t keep up with them. I am not very good at beer pong btw but I did do very well at quarters 🙂
PS. I just want you to know that I have lost my crush on Joe Mang now that it is out he is dating a leggy blonde that looks like his ex. How insipid is he! Now I really need a Fassy fix and Kaiser is witholding on us 🙁
@ Chat-you and I may disagree but I think we both agree that politics have become more divisive than productive (or has it always been this way?).
Plus you’re a libertarian. My boyfriend identifies himself as a Libertarian and Capitalist and is VERY politically saavy. He voted for Obama last time and made it clear he is voting for Romney (I’ll be voting for Obama) this time around. He is black, which I only mention because it speaks to his free-mindedness and the fact that he doesn’t cave to societal pressures (as in “because he’s black he MUST vote for a black *actually bi-racial* candidate”).
He is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and subscribes to a lot of the same views as me, we just happen to be voting for different candidates. *shrug*
Anyway, there is no place in my world for liberals that feel the need to force their opinions on others (same goes for conservatives). I have close friends that strongly disagree with me but it will NEVER make me love them any less (to you, Chat!) 🙂
Hope you have an awesome beach day (I effin’ love that you play beer pong with your boys!) and keep our fingers crossed for more Fassy!!! 🙂
I try to walk the walk of…I may disagree but that does not mean I disrespect.
One of my best friends is a 50 y/o single black mother who didn’t vote for Obama last time and won’t this time…her take is “the country was ready for a black president but Obama was not the right black person”. Like you I mention it because so many assume because she is black she must want him in office, whereas she has her views and beliefs on issues that are important to her and her family that she votes, not the color of anybody’s skin, but who has the closest set of issues to her thinking. And let me tell you she is loud and proud to tell anybody it! lol
Yes well I found that beer pong is quite exhausting at 49 damn it! But the 20 somethings are very patient with me 🙂 They even try to talk me/us into going up to the bars with them later in the eve and I draw the line and say “no thanks been there done that…I’m glad you think I’m good company but bar hoping at the shore is not what you want to do with your Mom or your friends Mom…” even I know that is not a good idea!!!!!!
@ Chat-I went through something similar with my mom (who is French citizen and can’t vote) with Hilary-she really wanted me to vote for Hil because she’s a woman. I came thisclose to voting for her but in the end, decided I didn’t want another Clinton in office just like I was tired of the Bush dynasty-felt like we needed someone fresh.
Anyway, I identify myself as a liberal constitutionalist and I find a lot of parallels between Libertarian viewpoints and my own. And (excuse me for gushing) my BF is BRILLIANT (and my hero-came from nothing, growing up in the ghetto to having an MBA from Harvard) and probably the best debater I know. In fact, he can debate my ass under the table 🙁
That being said, I’ve made it clear that no matter how persuasive he is, he’ll never change my mind.
We both work in financial services industry (he’s an investment banker) so his capitalist leanings make perfect sense to me.
Ha ha..You crack me up Chat!
PS-sorry to hear about your break-up with Joe Mange. I went through similar heartbreak after Chris Evans’ birthday STD reveal so I feel your pain! 😉
PPS-I always feel weird revealing this much about myself in a public forum…but hey, at least it’s within the safety of C/B’ers! 🙂
OMG Kitten…I totally forgot about your breakup with Mr. STD! Joe really f*ckd up this time. He has no idea what he has given up in me! Idiot.
I too work in the financial industry…THESE MARKETS ARE KILLING US! I am glad to hear that BF has sustained through an MBA, which is hard to do, but from his background to get there, he must be one special dude 🙂 Gush all you want…you both deserve too~
Thanks Chat! Speaking of which, going to meet up with him now for drinks and then gallery opening 🙂
Have an awesome weekend with the fam, Chat and keep up the good fight 🙂
@Chatcat: I’d be interested to know who she thinks is the “right black person”. Allen West? Herman Cain? Don’t get me started on either of those.
I almost always hate posting on political threads, I feel like it clouds our perception of each other. I’m happy to see two of my favorite people can agree to disagree in a civil manner.
Sometimes I feel as though most Americans would like to see the whole system overhauled and get rid of the two party divisiveness in this country.
Eh, you guys all know I think it’s just a big scam on the part of big banking, business and pharma. The president (cough, puppet) just does what he is told.
Greenspan, Bernacke…the guys that heeded up the crisis, all they got was promoted. President after president, dem or rep.
So yeah, Kitten and Chatcat thanks for playing nice with different views. Even though I align more with CHatcat, it makes me love you no less OK!
All are welcome hereeeeee…….
Just like “conservative” is a glowing compliment, right?
@omgseriously-“Conservative” used alone is simply an adjective used to describe religious/political affiliation. However, conservative used in the following context:
Romney is a “mysoginistic, anti-homosexual conservative who supports stripping women of their rights” would be seen as pretty negative. See the difference?
Yeah, I’m from the South and I have relatives (grandparents) I love deeply who say and think things that were they to write them in a letter to a newspaper, would embarrass me. Where the live, in their demographic, their views are pretty common. Eh. It’s unfortunate for Brad only because his fame casts a light on his family’s political leanings, and they are so different from his own. This position is probably not news to him, but I’ll bet he doesn’t want it in the news cycle.
Does anyone think that abortion isn’t killing a baby?
Having an abortion is not “killing a baby”…it is terminating an unwanted pregnancy. It is a clump of cells. Much like cancer cells. I don’t see anyone crying over cancer being eliminated by radiation.
Comparing a developing human embryo to cancer cells is deeply disturbing and inherently flawed. And kind of revolting.
Cancer cells left unchecked will take over your body and kill you. I’m amazed that you see fetal cells on a comparable level as cancer cells.
It might sound ‘disturbing’, but the TRUTH is often harsh. Yuya is right. Esentially, thats what it is. A growth, attached to the host (the mother). Terminating a fetus is no more killing an unborn ‘baby’ than a menstrual period is. Neither is a ‘baby’, unborn or otherwise.
What do you think a “pregnancy” is? Does a pregnancy ever end in anything other than a human baby if left alone?
Sal, I’m sorry you’ve had such negative experiences with pro-life people. As one myself, I believe we are truly pro-life because we believe in protecting those who cannot protect themselves. I have to admit that I cannot understand the logic behind the pro-choice movement. I also do not want any woman to carry pregnancy she doesn’t want, but I want her to avoid getting pregnant and thus being in such a situation. In my opinion, once a child has been conceived the only options are raising the child or placing him/her up for adoption. Ending the child’s life should not be an option. Anyone who has carried a child or seen an ultrasound can attest to the fact that a fetus is a living human being. That fact may not be a “convenient truth,” but that does not change reality.
It is sad to me that “pro-choice” seems to only mean pro-abortion when there are, in fact, other choices available.
@Omgseriously.
I also wish women wouldn’t get pregnant if they don’t want to be. And yes, it annoys me too when women get an abortion after they had unsafe sex.
However, it has shown all around the world and throughout history that it happens anyway. And women will still get an abortion, only an illegal and more dangerous one.
Hoping that they would all ‘just’ use birth control is not realistic. Especially not when access to birth control is being curtailed as well.
Really? In North America, in 2012, there are still people who believe all pregnancies, from the moment of creation, left unchecked, will always end-up in a healthy living, breathing, baby??
Held in his mother’s healthy, living, breathing, tender, and financially sound arms?
Well, when you believe that Jesus rode Dinosaurs and haunted down Tyrannausorus for breakfast…
Look, I don’t mind assuming a learning curve, whether in politics, religion, science or even finance, there is that thing that allows you to google. You know, Google. Where you can check medical and all other facts before intentionally touting your ignorance as high moral ground and praise.
Heck, if you believe in God as a higher power, and a creator of all things, he was quite obviously and undeniably a scientist. And if you believe you were made in the likeness of God, so get scientific. There is no pride in ignorance.
@flan…what?? Birth control is being curtailed?? From who?? And, where?? Not in America it’s not. What is being said is that I and other citizens of the US should have to pay for the birth control for people I don’t even know. And, anybody can get birth control pills for about 9 bucks a month at any Walmart. Why should we as a nation have to pay for it? I don’t want to pay for anybodies birth control thank you very much. Government needs to get the hell out of peoples bedrooms and start concentrating on getting our country healthy again. People need to take responsibility for their own dam birth control and life. Leave me out of it.
You can only get a particular type of birth control for $9. Birth control pills vary in their chemistry, not all women can take the same birth-control. Depending on your hormone levels, medical needs, age, prices can vary from very inexpensive to around the $40 range. It is a very right-wing talking point that was spread all over blogs & faux news about the $9. Hope you aren’t getting reproductive knowledge from faux news or any news outlet, sorry but don’t think they are experts on birth control & reproductive care needs of women. BTW….it was Republicans that wanted to probe vaginas before issuing birth-control in some states. Absolutely unnecessary medical procedure to give women birth-contol. If you truly wanted the government out of the bedroom, I’d assume you wouldn’t want an unnecessary exam? The government allowing women to make their choices rather than their politicians forcing unnecessary costly exams.
I will not fall for this bait, but I must say I have always found the dichotomy of rabid pro-lifers being rabid pro-death penalty confusing. About as confusing as Christian churches promoting the Iraq war instead of being pacifists as one would presume.
Lots of parents and adults kids disagree on politics, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if one of my parents wrote a public letter like that, I’d be so embarrassed!
To me, the letter comes across as angry and bigoted, and filled with extreme right wing talking points, rather than truly thought out opinions based on facts. It’s a rant. And once someone starts ranting, rather than engaging in actual dialogue, I’m out.
I don’t blame her for responding to that first letter – I think it’s wrong to tell people not to vote for Romney simply because of his Mormon religion. A response about all Americans having freedom of religion, and separation of church and state, would have been appropriate. What she came back with was even worse.
Yes. “Right wing talking points” are all some people have, and it drives me nuts when they rant, on FB, for example, with no evidence of actual thought on the issues.
Angelina is tolerant~that means she tolerates all viewpoints; including anti-gay, anti-abortion.
I’m a bleeding-heart liberal. My in-laws are super-duper conservative. Despite thinking they’re 100% WRONG and completely misguided and misinformed, I still love them. I just refuse to discuss politics with them. They think I’m just as misguided and misinformed. We’ve agreed to disagree.
Hey. It happens. I’m sure Brad and his Mom still adore one another.
In all fairness I’m sure the Pitts have had a lot of their friends and associates question the choices their son has made in his life. Especially considering it is so vastly different then their own. Brad even said his family thinks he is going to hell and they worry for his soul. So I doubt Mom’s views are news to Brad or Angie. He also said his Mom knows she can’t change his mind so she accepts and moves on.
and if Jane didn’t write this Brad’s brother usually speaks for the family. I would have expected a denial by now.
It was confirmed earlier today…Jane wrote the article. Go Jane!! 🙂
Kaiser, I have a girl-crush on you for your dangling participle crack. (But shhhh, don’t tell Mama Pitt, or she’d have me burnt at the stake).
I think you’re also right about AJ’s politics–a mix of neocon + libertarian (which is probably one of the reasons I dislike her so much, no matter how much do-gooding she does).
And Brad Pitt’s mom sounds horrible and full of hate. Gross.
How can you dislike her because of political view she has not shared. You come off sounding ignorant that you are basesing that opinion on a guess from a blog write who dose not know her personally ?
My mom likes Palin. 🙁 My Facebook friends fill pages of pro mitt or anti Obama rubbish. My husband said a month ago global warming was hogwash. (To give me a stroke perhaps) All of my Uncles are anti-‘light in the loafers’. Half my Aunts are pro-choice. My grandfather refused to let black folk handle his food at the grocer.
I love my family. I love they managed to raise me. gays loving, all race loving, choice loving, free spirited granola girl with more eastern religion tendencies than we have access to in America’s mid west.
They wonder when I came from and I wonder how they can be so wrong.
Guess that’s what happens when my motorcycle riding hippy father fell instantly in love with my goody goody catholic school girl, singing in Jesse Jackson’s choir Mother. That much conflicting opinion creates little old me.
Namaste
Lem…post of the day imo. You are right, we are who we are based on our experiences. We mold our views and beliefs despite who/how we are raised and because we live in the USA we are free to express them to all without censure … of course that doesn’t happen 🙁 because we have freedom of speech = freedom of opinion! Yeah for you 🙂
I love everything you just said, Lem. Namaste right back atcha! 🙂
Two things I do not discuss politics, abortion and religion some people just can’t have a civil conversation about any of the three.
I accidentally misread that as “the killing of unicorns” and almost choked on my Luna bar
Yowza! I understand Jane Pitt is a devout Baptist, but I sure hope she doesn’t believe this tidbit:
“A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.” — Deuteronomy 22:13-21
That would go for her former daughter-in-law as well as her future one.
And the men can f–k as much as they want but women’s sexuality must be owned by the men.
And you must stay away from a woman in her “period of menstrual *uncleanliness*” and not speak to her. Kids that speak back to their parents shall be stoned.
Most religions Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism teach you one thing: if you aren’t a man your fucked.
Good for her. She’s only saying what most of the country thinks.
“Most”? I don’t know what parallel universe you live in but most of the country believes in a woman’s right to choose and at least half support gay marriage.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the majority of the country (as revealed in most recent polls) are against abortion. That’s a little factoid the feminists won’t share.
We finally agree on something-the majority of the country is against abortions, INCLUDING all pro-choicers. Supporting the pro-choice movement is a vote for CHOICE, not a vote to promote abortion.
@omgseriously: You fall into the familiar trap of thinking if you favor choice you favor abortion. Nobody “likes” abortion, including me. But I’m in favor of a woman’s right to make her own choice as to whether or not to have one. And the majority of the country agrees with me.
It’s such a contradiction to say we don’t like abortion, but yet there is nothing bad or wrong about abortion and everyone should be able to have one.
Sorry but WHERE is the contradiction?
Here’s the issue-you believe that the government should have a right to dictate what I do with MY body. I do not agree. You have every right to think of abortion as murder, but you have NO right to tell me what I can and cannot do with MY body. Just like one has every right to disagree with gay marriage but the government should NOT be allowed to take that right away from others. Why can’t you understand this? Why can’t your personal belief be just THAT– _PERSONAL_instead of infringing upon the rights of others who don’t share the same beliefs as you? How would you feel if the government suddenly started forcing people to have abortions?
You know what-this argument is pointless. As my brother always says, there’s no point arguing with anti-choicers because there’s a fundamental disagreement at hand that will always get in the way-you think abortion is “baby killing” and I think you are not only wrong, but perpetuating a very misinformed and dangerous way of thinking. So..? That’s it. We’ll never agree, which is fine but I’ll be dammned sure that your “opinion” doesn’t dictate what I do with my own body. You have a right to feel the way you do- but I will make sure that you will NEVER be able to strip me of my rights.
I agree that it is very difficult to argue when there really is such a genuine difference in belief. You point out that this is me trying to control your body. I don’t see it as any different than saying you are not allowed to take your two hands, place them around someone else’s neck and strangle them. Is that me telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body? Of course it is! We do it all the time to protect other innocent human beings. The only difference is that I believe the unborn child is a human being and you believe it is just tissue or cells.
That’s exactly it though, Francesca. We have that fundamental disagreement that really is at the heart of the pro-choice debate. Regardless, I’m ok with agreeing to disagree and with that, I’ll wish you and other C/B’ers a good weekend. Thanks for always keeping it interesting! 🙂
@Omgseriously.
As if ‘feminists’ could hide something like that.
In fact, during the whole birth control controversy, mainstream media asked vastly more men than women for quotes and opinions.
Scary since it’s so clearly a women’s issue.
Meh?
I mean, if Dick Cheney can NOT disown Mary (his daughter) for being a lesbian, I’m sure Brad can just as easily coexist with his kooky racist mom (Barack HUSSEIN Obama?! Srly?).
That is his middle name, isn’t it? Like saying William Jefferson Clinton. Maybe Mrs Pitt wanted to sound ‘official’ because she doesn’t like him.
Hasn’t Angelina said that she like reading Ayn Rand or something? I side-eye that; it just brings to mind super douchey Young Republican jags.
Yeah, I seem to remember there being a thing about how she really wanted to make a big budget version of Atlas Shrugged with her as Dagny. It seems like such a departure from her sending money and support to refugees and orphans and you know, being kind and charitable in general, but maybe she is just crazy stupid when it comes to literature.
This is what she said about Ayn Rand
( “I’ll cop right up front to knowing very little about Ayn Rand, the legendary author and founder of objectivism. I’ll further admit that what I do know about her I don’t like. I don’t like her denouncements of altruism. I don’t like her outright rejection of all things socialist. I don’t like her novella “Anthem,” which I’ve read and think is ridiculous.
But like I said, what I don’t know about Ayn Rand could fill a library. So why do I care enough to plug those holes in my knowledge? Well, because one, you never want to be ignorant. But, two, because every person I talk with who has read all her works, seems to talk about her with a passion bordering on religious devotion.” )
So no she not crazy stupid when it come to literature quite the opposite really.
Oh come on, I’m a moderate Democrat and I thought “Atlas Shrugged” was a great read. Couldn’t stand “The Fountainhead”, though.
The book was made even more unbearable through its association with Dirty Dancing. I care for neither, so maybe the affiliation is apt.
Oh, please. She said Atlas Shrugged was interesting. I definitely cannot stand the message behind the book and absolutely despise Rand but I can admit the book was interesting. Ayn Rand was all about rich people staying rich and poor people should all die. Do you really think Angelina who gives so much of her time and money to the poor agrees with that?
Huh old gossip.
Jolie was most definitely interested, her name was attached to the project for YEARS even confirming (even as far as 2006!) she had the part. She called the project a “once in a lifetime project” and was fanatic about it. Nothing happened in the end.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/06/18/angelina-jolie-calls-atlas-shrugged-once-in-a-lifetime-film/
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/opinion/17dowd.html
Even Plan B was pushing it:
http://blog.moviefone.com/2007/06/17/angelina-jolie-tells-cinematical-atlas-shrugged-is-stalle/
The unneeded use of Hussein suggests why she feels the way she does about BO’ s policy.
I don’t know why it’s even a question if whether we should judge brad because of this? It’s his mother’s opinions. We’re all entitled to them. To a lot of people, she seems a closed minded bigot. But hey hoe. Brad doesn’t hold such beliefs, so it’s really not something anyone could or should ever hold against him.
“There’s not an ounce of malice in her. She wants everyone to be happy.”
Except for the Gays, of course.
But Sarah, they are not really gay – just misleaded people. Gay people don’t exist 😉
The headline should say “pro life” not “anti-choice”…really if us pro life folks have the decency to refer to people we don’t agree with as “pro-choice” the same courtesy should be extended to us…for the first time since following this blog…I’m disappointed…
If ONLY it was like you say though. I have YET to come across a pro-lifer that calls us pro-choice. They only refer to us as
pro-abortionist/s. And none of us are ‘pro’-ABORTION at all. There is a BIG difference. So since they can’t do us the courtesy of calling us pro-CHOICE, why should we call them pro-life? Especially since they are NOT pro-life (they would prefer a woman die if she can’t carry to term than abort, and most pro’life’ers are pro-death penalty). At least pro-choicers can *honestly* say we ARE pro–choice. Your side cannot honestly say you are pro-life. Because you are not. When you’d sooner see a woman give birth when the birth could kill her than save her life by terminating, when you’d sooner see the mother die for dogmatic ideology. You are NOT ‘pro’-life, you are anti-life. Same with the death penalty. Thats the irony. So-called pro-‘life’ers are not pro-life at all, they are anti-born existing life.
THIS! Sal, I have made this point SO many times. Saying “pro-abortion” undermines the pain and heartbreak that comes with abortion. It’s never an easy decision and almost always excruiating for those that feel they must take that route. Pro-choicers are not excluded from this.
Well said and very true.
Once a baby is born in a family/to a single mother that can not afford the baby, they don’t care a hoot about its life.
I would NEVER call someone pro-abortion. I am pro-choice and Anti-abortion.
I do believe that after about 6 weeks you have yourself a fetus, I have done too many US to think differently. I have seen 24 week premies live.
Personally and this is a biggie, I am very thankful abortion IS a choice. I got pregnant at 16 and had a very early abortion. I would never have had the life, career, degrees and husband if I had had that pregnancy go to term.
I’ve never told anyone that except for my husband. Kind of weird to admit it here, but it illustrates the whole pro-choice, anti-abortion thing don’t you think? I guess if I was going to spill, which no one has copped to here, it should be amongst my understanding bitches.
So while I feel libertarian, but fiscally conservative, I’d love the world to be abortion free. I believe it is a baby, but I understand the need for abortion.
So yes, it is possible to be partly conservative, partly pro-life and partly pro-choice. It is definitely a fine line we women walk and pregnancies happen at horrible times and through horrible circumstances. No one wants to kill unborn babies, but can you blame a super young girl, a rape victim or a 12 year old impregnated by her father?
I’ve seen it all in the hospital. Including countless babies thrown down stairs, beaten, killed and abused in the most hideous ways. Infinitely worse than an early term abortion. Gotta love brain scans.
I feel so ambiguous in my political belief system now. I watch news every day, but hate our parties, hate the vitriol on both sides.
If you’re against a woman’s right to make her own decision about abortion, you’re anti-choice. Deal with it.
@Janet, please tell me that was not directed at my comment. That was NOT the gist of what I said at all.
I’m pretty sure that comment was directed at Sal.
mayamae, I’m pretty sure that comment is not directed at me, if you actually READ it! I am PRO choice and my posts have stated that, so why would they post a reply to me about being anti-choice? We’re on the same side. READ, first. The post is in reply to yankeedandy. Not only because yankeedandy is against choice, but if you follow the reply boxes, you will see it was in DIRECT reply to yankee. Why can’t people follow something as basic as a thread reply box?
“Pitt for Mitt!” I can see the bumper stickers now…
I don’t understand why Romney is a “family man” and Obama isn’t. Does Obama’s family not count? Because he seems pretty devoted to his wife and his daughters.
Bothers me when certain candidates get to be the “family first” or “family man” candidates.
Obama is missing the smug judgmental factor that Rommy has.
And he shows too much respect to his wife probably.
I agree Marybeth, it always makes me angry that one party thinks they own values, family, and faith. Then they try to use it to guilt people into joining them, grown-up peer pressure. My family (all the way out to third cousins) are my life, my faith is integral to who I am, and values guide my choices. This doesn’t make me any less a liberal!
I think “family man” or “family values” is often a euphemism for “conservative viewpoints on social and/or economic issues”. So two liberals who’ve been married 50 years and have a big family aren’t “family oriented”, in other words. even when they are.
I’m confused. Yesterday the sites reporting this all had updates by the end of the day stating that this Jane Pitt was not Brad’s mom but some other woman. Now, it’s back to being his mom? Did they figure out saying it’s Brad’s mom gets more hits to their site or is it really his mom? Either way, she is entitled to her opinion. Whether she is a celebrity mom or not does not make her an expert in politics whose opinion matters more than anyone else’s.
*takes deep breath; jumps in*
Is everyone entitled to their own opinion? Yes. Each and every one of us. But I don’t think it’s the opinion in and of itself that is worrisome.
I think it’s the end result of said opinion. Let’s face it, ladies, lots of people (men; women too old to have children or in marriages and religions that allow them to have as many as they are physically able) feel this way, and they VOTE with their emotions.
It’s why we’re in this current War Against Women’s Rights.
Angelina sees herself as a humanist
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Angelina -” I clearly have a long latent spirituality. Someone once told me he thought I was a humanist. I thought about it much, but I think what it meant to be a humanist is that I see through my children and refugees that meeting, it is possible to live together without hurting anyone, and the wisest thing to do is give the best of us. Again I quote my mother in this conversation. She was a very gracious and kind. My mother did not behave this way because of religion, or because of being embedded in her subconscious, through a holy book or sermon, she would go to hell if I did not do well. My mother was a person of good character just because she wanted to be, it made her feel better about herself.”
Thank you for that wonderful quote…
Np, the quote was translated from a French interview. it’s a little wonky, but you get what she’s saying.
I love this quote. Her mom sounds like such a beautiful person.
An old, white lady who hates gays and uses sweeping generalizations to insult and discredit people with an opinion that differs from her own? Jane Pitt better stop stealing Anne Coulter’s schtick.
I am an “old white lady” who doesn’t hate gays and people who use sweeping generalities about all “old white ladies” shouldn’t talk about anyone else…racisim comes in all forms…
No, it doesn’t.
Bigotry, prejudice, discrimination? Sure. But not racism, not even a little.
So how are the crazies at FF spinning this into hating on Angelina? Have they convinced themselves that Angelina actually wrote the letter and used Jane’s name?
Awwww come on..didn’t you know that everything is about Angie.. even if it is not about Angie. To them this is proof that Jane hates Angelina. I don’t live in crazy land so I don’t understand their sick reasoning. but hey Crazy can’t be understood. It is just crazy. And that pack of fools is beyond crazy.
Wait wait wait…rewind, someone earlier said Angelinas brother is training(?) to become a minister? I need more info on that stat! Please and thank you!
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/07/brad-pitt-mom-obama-letter.html
Barack hussein obama? Isn’t that his full name? Whats so offensive about including his middle name?By the way, to the people who are making comments such as, ‘my liberal friends never insult republicans,while most republicans are insulting to democrats’ Wow. I’ve heard many liberals make insulting, nasty comments to republicans. I’m not even a republican, I’m independent, and I’ve felt the wrath from some liberals when I’ve politely disagreed with them. Not all liberals, some of been very polite right back, and we’ve been able to have interesting conversations without insults.Also, Just because someone believes being gay is a sin, doesn’t make them a horrendous, evil person, just like if someone believes abortion is wrong, doesn’t make them evil. And visa versa. I’m friends with people who think being gay is a sin. Their not hateful towards anyone who is gay, their loving, good people who have a different opinion.My mother’s best friend is gay. My mom believes that being gay is a sin, and yet she still loves her best friend, and doesn’t try and force her beliefs down her friends throat. I’ll probably get flack for this post, or the ‘whats your point’ responses, but that’s okay, because we’re all entitled to our own opinion and should be allowed to voice it.
You know why its inflammatory to use his middle name. Conservatives say it with an emphasis and slur it as they say it. They use it to lessen him, to mock him, to belittle him. They use it to attack him. Also to link it to Islam,as if he’s a Muslim. Religious hate is bigotry, even against islam. Have you honestly ever heard it used in a appropriate manner with good intention and not for political reasons? I think people are tired of social conservatives trying to tell the rest of us how to live our lives. This is country built on religious freedom. Yet, we have people in our government everyday shoving morality laws into our lives. Ironic the supposed party of less government wants the government in our bedrooms and personal life.
Issa, YES!
This, thank you.
No, I really don’t understand how his middle name is inflammatory. I actually haven’t heard a conservative draw out his name and use it as a slur. I just had a chat with my conservative and liberal friends. I asked, ” Is saying Barack Hussein obama derogatory? Does it bring up any negative associations when you add in his middle name?” They both said no. It didn’t bring up any thoughts of racial tension, or bring up any thoughts of religion.
Erica, using his middle name in the way she’s using it is a form of dog whistle politics-you’re not the intended audience.
She’s just reinforcing the belief that he’s ‘other’, not one of us, not American, not Christian, etc.
The term is fairly recent, the concept is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
How can anyone not know about that? It was used before the elections by conservatives already.
Remember when Charlie Sheen kept calling Chuck Lorre ‘Chaim Levine’ in his shit-fit letter last year? Yeah, that’s his name but Sheen sleazed all over it.
@Erica…agree
I get your first point and agree about civil discussions and differences of opinion. However, the example of your mom and her best friend is confusing. If your mom thinks being gay is a sin, her thoughts are not really the issue, it’s her actions. Does she vote against her gay best friends civil liberties? Does she believe that her best friend shouldn’t have the right to get married and/or adopt children because she is gay? If she thinks being gay is a sin but because she loves her friend will fight for her rights like any other human’s, then she’s a great friend even if they disagree. Otherwise, why the are they friends?
Great point Jordan.
+1.
Did you ever read John Steinbeck’s “The Grapes of Wrath”? “It’s not so much what they say, it’s how they say it.” He was talking about the word “Okie” used as a pejorative for someone from Oklahoma but the same is true for the way republicans emphasize President Obama’s middle name, as if they were hell-bent on somehow “proving” that Obama is Muslim and therefore unfit to be president. (If I remember right, there is nothing in the Constitution that says a Muslim can’t be president, and in any case, Obama was raised as a Baptist.)
Ever since 9/11 “Muslim” has become a dirty word in this country. It’s sad but it’s true.
Who are you kidding with this middle name stuff? I highly doubt you use EVERYONE’s middle name all the time, and President Obama doesn’t use his, so why use it? Did you refer to Reagan as Ronald Wilson Reagan? Or do you refer to people you know by their full, middle-and-all names? I seriously doubt it.
Gotta love people playing dumb.
Does it matter? Are you upset because his middle name is Hussein, and you wouldn’t have said anything if it was Christopher, for example?
She doesn’t like him for his views. It’s like a mother, a Mrs. Jones, who is used to calling her little boy Andy, and because he has done something that upset her very much, she says, “Come here right now, Andrew William Jones!”
@ Freya,
So you are saying that it is okay for Mrs. Pitt to speak to the President as if he is her child? Has the do as I say boy attitude to me if you address a grown man that way. The President does not get talked to as if he is a child. And the fact that you think that it is okay is alarming. You just proved that she is ignorant and bigoted in her approach. She can write a letter expressing her opinion if she wants to, but please do not negate the fact she used his name to play on people’s subconscious that the President isn’t one of “them”. She’s a bigot, plain and simple.
Why doesn’t government keep the hell outta people’s bedrooms and away from gay-bashing/religious intolerance to focus on working together to get the economy back on track, and provide affordable education and health care to create a healthy, sustainable environment. All this political rhetoric and opinionizing and reputation-bashing and penis-waving isn’t getting the country anywhere. It’s just a bunch of rich, opinionated blowhards spouting vapour because they’re too entrenched in their own value systems to envision a cooperative future.
+1. Unfortunately the gay marriage issue has detracted from real issues: creating jobs, healthcare reform, etc.
her daughter in law is bi-sexual and her grandchildren are BENETTON…she should get with the times already.
yawn.
silly.
The internet is truly a wondrous thing. I always thought the JP children were just kids and today I find out they are interchangeable with articles of clothing from BENETTON no less. Wonders never cease……..
Thank you Zut alors!
Jfc, those are some strong words, Mrs. Pitt. I don’t agree with her, but…wow.
Brad Pitt’s mom and Angelina Jolie’s dad sound like two pees in a urinal.
Julie-
Did you happen to google Jennifer Fitzgerald? Cuz when I do all I get is Kos saying they had an affair. That is about as reliable as me throwing out Larry Sinclairs name and telling you to go listen to Glenn Beck about it.
According to Barack in his book, he questioned whether his parents were really married or not, and he does note that his father was more than likely married to a woman in Kenya at the same time Sr was reportedly married to his mom.
Oh and PS, i dont listen to Beck or Rush or Coulter, or CNN, MSNBC, I look and figure out stuff on my own, because 100% of the people are only seeling their point of view.
I never said the O girls were going to underage drink. That was thrown in the list of what makes people moral or not, which I dont really think it does.
Romeny has released his 2010 taxes and his estimate for 2011 earlier this year, whether he releases them fully i dont know. But i did look at them, it said nothing about off shore acounts, but if he does have them, how smart of him to do that. I dont berate anyone for trying to save what $ they can.
Bush spent 490 days at this ranch in Crawford over 8 years and while there always took staff with him so he could continue working. obama has golfed +100 times since being in office and has taken trips to hawaii, marthas vineyard, his family has gone to spain, mexico, etc. So please, O has taken more than his fair share, just feel free to admit it.
i never said O was muslim you did. i just pointed out how some of the things he has chosen does not come across as very Christian.
How am i scary? I comment on other peoples comments and their lack of facts and I am scary? Funny.
Sarah: “Why dont I like O? because I dont agree with where he wants to take this country.”
But none of your points had anything do with policy-it was all republican talking points.
So even though you say that you don’t listen to most media and that you figure stuff out on your own, most you you posted is regurgitated right-wing talking points.
it was actually in a discussion with someone towards the top of the comments, their talking points that i was commenting on, all true, all looked up, all verified.
Just because you dont like my opinion doesnt mean they are right wing talking points. Not even a right winger, but thank you for the blanket stereotype of someone who doesnt agree with O.
And could we please stop saying taht Mrs pitt is a racist and probably hates her nonwhite grandchilren, that is pretty inflammatory and unproven.
@Sarah: Well, we agree on something. I think Jane Pitt’s letter was hateful and bigoted but I don’t think that translates into negative feelings toward her five non-white grandchildren. Grandchildren have a way of stealing your heart while you aren’t looking. (Just saying as a very proud grandma.)
“it was actually in a discussion with someone towards the top of the comments, their talking points that i was commenting on, all true, all looked up, all verified.”
Well, that’s where I got that first quote from, was that comment.
And you’re still using right wing talking points, it’s all personal, not policy.
And verified? From where?
this is bad but also somewhat amusing.
Anyway, I think it’s worth reposting the relevant passage from Brad’s Parade interview 2011!
ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
“Can you believe that we’re still fighting for equality in America? To be against marriage for everyone is utter discrimination. I feel strongly about that because if equality of marriage doesn’t happen now, the next generation will have to deal with it.
“It is an amazing thing that New York has finally gotten same-sex marriage. But the real problem is that the federal government hides behind states on this issue. It is blatant, ugly bigotry, and the federal government shouldn’t be doing that. You’re denying some Americans the right that all Americans have, to live their lives as they choose.
“What are you so afraid of? That’s my question. Gay people getting married? What is so scary about that? It’s complicated. You grow up in a religion like that and you try to pray the gay away. I feel sadness for people like that. This is where people start short-circuiting—instead of being brave and questioning their beliefs, they are afraid and feel that they have to defend them.
“I don’t mind a world with religion in it. There are some beautiful tenets within all religions. What I get hot about is when they start dictating how other people must live. People suffer because of it. They are spreading misery.
“My family is all devout Christians. Yes, absolutely. We don’t see eye to eye on this one, yet at the end of the day we love each other, we’re still family.”
ON FAITH
“I grew up Baptist, and then the family switched over to more of an evangelical movement, probably right around the time I was in late high school. There’s a point where you’re un-tethered from the beliefs of your childhood. That point came for me when it was finally clear my religion didn’t work for me. I had questions about Christianity that I could not get answered to my satisfaction, questions that I’d been asking since I was in kindergarten. I realized it didn’t feel right to me, that one question just led to another. It was like going down a rabbit hole, each answer provoking another question. There were things I didn’t agree with.
“My religion was telling me what not to do—what not to even think about doing. Those are the things I would try, because that was my nature. I had to experience things to know what would work for me—say, something as simple as premarital sex. I can figure out what works or doesn’t work. I will know. You say that something is wrong for me to do? Well, I know it’s not wrong because I just did it. Then you say something else is also wrong? Yeah, I did that too, and you’re right, it is wrong for me. But it wasn’t wrong just because you told me it was.”
Yeah, that’s the thing I don’t like as well.
That it always gets down to telling others what they can and can’t do. Live your own life the way you want it, but stay the f–k away from mine.
@isaa
I could, however, see your point, if the conservatives were saying Barack Hussein obama with a exaggerated middle eastern accent. That would be inflammatory. George W’s accent used to always get mocked by those on the left, and that would always irritate me. And I didn’t even like the guy, didn’t vote for him, but thought it was disrespectful
@ deep
Thanks!
Erica…What exactly is the point you are trying to make? People disrespecting Bush has nothing to do with Mrs. Pitt using thinly veiled prejudices to drive her views home for her selected demographic. Ultra conservatives have SAID Obama’s full name while emphasizing his middle name to play on people’s subconscious. I really don’t understand your thought process on this topic…it’s like you are trying to negate what she did by taking on the attitude of oh well, Bush was disrespected…so Obama should be disrespected to. One has nothing to do with the other, but if you think otherwise, I would like to read how you correlated it.
I agree using someones middle name isn’t necessarily derogatory. However, Mrs. Pitt was using it to be derogatory to our President. In the context of her letter, she isn’t using Hussein to identify Obama but to differ him from us(Islam & lets face it he’s ‘different’ than most of us).Honestly she is somewhat bigoted in the tone of her letter. Can you give me an example of when his middle name was used by conservatives as a positive & affirmation? I strongly disliked George Bush as President. However, it was just as wrong for the media to mock him. We as nation can no longer dislike a President but be respectful at the same time. Dislike the policy but respect their position.
Why is it racist to not like Obama?
Woudlnt that make everyone who voted for Obama racist also?
The race card is the oldest and STUPIDEST card in the deck. You can dislike a person for their idealogy regardless of their skin color.
To say Jane must hate Zara because she is black is cruel, unintelligent and VERY racist.
Can we all agree to quit playing the damn race card.
Brads sister has also adopted two ethiopian children.
It’s not exactly crazy for someone to assume someone who goes off on some anti-Obama tirade is racist when he and his family have been called a pack of monkeys, a dirty n-word and muslim terrorists. And newsflash, people are calling her racist for her stupid inclusion of HUSSEIN. If Barack’s middle name was Henry, you can bet she wouldn’t have included it. But she did because apparently anyone with a name like Hussein is an anti-American muslim terrorist.
That’s why I kind of wish President Obama’s name was Kevin Wilson or something equally bland. Not because his name is in fact “bad”, but because imbeciles try to emphasize the “Hussein” part (as if that’s something bad) and his name fuels the lunatic notion that he’s secretly a radical Muslim.
You’d think it would be hard for people to reconcile the notions that Obama is an ultra-liberal socialist with the idea that he’s a radical Muslim, but consistency has never been the far-right’s strong point. The Tea Party, for instance, didn’t even exist during GWB’s time, but why weren’t the people who started it complaining about Bush’s profligate spending? He didn’t even put the cost of the war on the regular budget. (Answer: They’re full of garbage and it’s never been really about spending.)
hanna it only makes those people who used those words to describe obama,his family and other blacks as using inflammatory language. It does not make everyone who disagrees with him racist.
lets not blanket everyone because of a few.
Jane Pitt is a 70 year old midwestern housewife. Why is this news? The only contradiction I see is Conservative Republican and Romney.
Romney is a moderate and Romney is the father of Obamacare.
*Sigh* As much as I want to hate Romney, I just can’t. I won’t vote for him but I won’t knock him either. I feel sorry for him in the same way I feel sorry for John Kerry in 2004.
I don’t think Romney is that bad of a guy but I think that GOP has the clamps down on him and I think the Dems have gone into rabid attack mode with him. I really believe he is a moderate but I also believe that he needs to pander to the staunchest of conservatives to conjur enthusiasm in the general election.
I voted in absentia in 2008 due to the fact that I was living in Canada at the time of the election. I realize this year how much I do not miss American election politics. It makes me want to move back to Canada, this time for good!
Wow, this is blowing up on HuffPo, over 4,000 comments and 9/10 of them calling Jane Pitt a racist hag. I feel sorry for Brad, he must be mortified by all this.
Meh. As someone raised in the Midwest, I am not surprised. I think much of the elder generations have been resistant to change. My Grandmother is as liberal as can be but even she has a hard time swallowing gay marriage and abortion issues. I am very liberal myself but I have conservative family members. However, I am also a pragmatist. I believe in religious freedoms provided no one feels the need to force their religion on others and that religion doesn’t harm a person’s well-being in a cult fashion (side-eye to Scientology). Jane is entitled to her opinion and as someone who believes in freedom of speech and freedom of choice, I respect her opinion even though I don’t agree with it. I’m sure Brad feels that same way.
Having said that, I just wish people would understand that laws are created to keep people safe and to allow everyone the freedom of choice. While I have no qualms about the clergy denying a person the right to marry someone of the same sex, I have a major issue with the law denying a person the right to marry someone of the same sex. Same with abortion, I understand if someone finds abortion unethical but I would rather see abortion legal and accessible than a woman forced to give birth to a child she does not want. For me, it’s about the liberty to choose not the liberty to shove your values down the throats of others. Speak out if you must but don’t get in the way of allowing people to have the same freedom that you claim to cherish.
Nicely stated. I totally agree with you.
“Anti choice”.. Pro-Romney” – you know, what I (usually) enjoy about this blog is that I can count on it for some good ol’ celebrity gossip escapism. You’ve just turned it into ANOTHER political forum. The woman is entitled to her opinions; what do you care? Vote for whomever you choose. What I always find hysterically funny about the Left is that you insist that everyone be “tolerant” of YOUR positions, but should anyone disagree, oh boy, right away the epiphets start flying! The fact is, outside of the two coasts, the vast majority of Americans have political views more similar to Mrs. Pitt’s than to yours.
Really Epiphany?
I’ve always found that those with conservative ideas based on their religions are the first to scream ‘you disrespect my religion!!” when you don’t agree with them.
Note that this is often on subjects where they try to oppress others, while I just went up to them to wish them a good evening.
Get a grip, will you? If the vast majority of Americans agreed with Mrs. Pitt, McCain would have won the last election.
On social issues I tend to be liberal. I agree with you, just because you don’t agree with someone you don’t need to bash them. Both sides act immature about this. Let’s all try to respect each other’s opinions and agree to disagree.
You seem to care a lot–which isn’t a veiled insult, it’s allowed. Anyway, I’m going to awkwardly wriggle out of this thread because the first rule of Commie Club is to never engage a conservative who’s about to tell you what’s ‘funny’.
And the right uses fear mongering, and creates facts
Exactly.
That’s why you can’t have a normal dialogue with the fanatic right about social issues. They just lie, lie, lie all the time.
You can have a normal, respectful discussion with non-cray right on economic issues etc. However, once you get to the loonies, it will go nowhere, but them stuffing their ears “lalalala, I want to oppress everyone else, but don’t dare disagree with me or you violate my rights *cry”.
Both sides use fear mongering. They are politicians. They all want to win.
I totally agree with you, epiphany. Can we all agree to disagree. We are all entitled to our opinions.
I’m NOT bashing Mrs. Pitt, and I’m sure Brad loves his mom as much as ever.
What I find amusing about this entire episode is the level of authority the media give it, just because of the Jolie-Pitt association.
This story is interesting only for the reason that it highlights the BS spiel that underwrites the related celebrity couple who don’t have power at all and are paid to represent whatever face they are paid to represent, for the intentionally incompetent organisations they represent (like the UN).
Their PR of ‘we won’t marry until gay couples marry’ is high on BS for publicity purposes and Brad’s mother highlights that with the free expression of her views.
Irrespective of her views, which I don’t agree with, her expression is indicative of the high PR machine that paints the Jolie Pitts as some type of saintly couple.
Your comment literally makes zero sense.
I am Canadian – why are american so f—ed when it comes to politics – it’s like like you guys are completelty crazed with sh-t that is so irrelvant. yea, you know what let’s wake up get a pap for free, check if i am preggers for free….ho did you guys bring hitler into this…i cant believe how crazy americans are. you gotta calm this stuff down. Even Canadianathinks your nuts.
I’m Canadian as well and agree with your comment. They’re not all that different from the middle east when you think about it. Strong religious views mixed in with politics brings out the crazy. Mind you Mr. Harper scares me…total control freak.
I lived in Canada from 2008-2010. I came up right as a Federal Election was being announced. After watching one debate on the CBC I wanted to cry and felt so ashamed for my country.
The debate was civil, intelligent, and concise. There was no bullshit from the media or any spin. And as much as I don’t like Stephen Harper, I at least can say I have some respect for the man which is something I can never say about any conservative in the United States. Canadians, I applaud your desire to keep things civil in politics and after having to deal with the 2012 election year, it is one of the reasons I am ready to throw in the towel and move up to Canada permanently.
It’s good to know that you enjoyed your time here.
Our relatively tiny population does grant us with the luxury of brevity in our PM elections. Election called, blah, blah, blah, five weeks later it’s done.
I can’t even imagine the level of work over the span of such a time is required of you guys when it comes to who you elect. That’s got to be the reason that so much pissiness pervades the waves and honestly, sometimes I think ‘When is this going to be over?’
I guess the Right Honourable Glum Office Supplies Manager prorogued your peace of mind, too. I know he can’t help it and it’s not a character flaw on his part in the least, but something about his glare makes we wonder if he was a sin eater before he got to Sussex. At least he’s not the mayor of Toronto–I’ve said too much.
Well, maybe we’ll see you here some day, maybe someone will build a barbed wire fence to prevent it.
Same here in Australia. Political campaigns are civilized, compared to in the US. We do make fun of opposing views, but no deep hatred, and the cartoonists are always so funny.
I didn’t vote for our current prime minister. She won. Okay. Life goes on.
Why is this usually fun celebrity gossip site turning into a anti-conservative site? This poor woman has the right to vocalize her option. She should not be critized so harshly for her Christian views. It is completely inappropriate to call a elderly woman a “racist hag” along with other cruel names. This entire article is just another example of the liberal media bias ex. using the term “anti-choice”? I believe the term is “pro-life”, saying “anti-choice” is the equivalent of calling abortion supporters “PRO-DEATH”. Also just becasuse she used Obama’s middle name, does not make her a racist. You do not know her intentions for using it. She could of used it for emphasis much like how parents use their child’s middle name when they are angry. Pitt said about his mom….“She’s very, very loving — very open, genuine, and it’s hilarious because she always gets painted in the tabloids as a she-devil. There’s not an ounce of malice in her. She wants everyone to be happy.” From the pictures she looks like a very happy and sweet woman. All she said was that she doesn’t like obama, people are acting like she sent him a death threat.
I’m a liberal and agree that name calling is low to get your point across. Get your point across in an intelligent, civil manner.
To the Canadian person above, I can see where you think we are all nuts. The amount of hatred over politics currently in this country is inexcusable.
Our brains are hardwired differently, some brains are more prone to republican points of view and likewise democrats’ brains are hardwired to be more liberal. So no amount of negativity will persuade someone to your political point of view.
There’s a book “The Righteous Mind – Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion” that explains this.
I don’t know what to tell you, she’s 70 years old, not a newborn still trying to figure out this ‘breathing’ thing. At her age and what with her son being one of the most famous people in the world, choosing to compose and release op-ed piece about politics and religion to the public during a presidental campaign, if she didn’t think people would respond this passionately she’s running on fumes.
Hell, I’d have more respect for her if she did this with her eyes open than if she’s a wounded babe in arms and must be availed of her responsibility.
“At her age and what with her son being one of the most famous people in the world, choosing to compose and release op-ed piece about politics and religion to the public during a presidental campaign, if she didn’t think people would respond this passionately she’s running on fumes.”
THIS. Which is why I was convinced it had to be a hoax and not really her letter. I thought she’d know better.
Jo and Esmom: you both nailed it. She’s about as clueless as a four year old. I thought it had to be a hoax at first because I couldn’t believe a grown woman could be that dumb. She proved otherwise in spades.
LOL you’re delusional. EVERYONE is pro-life. EVERYONE. People who want to take away the CHOICE for a woman to have an abortion or not are ANTI-CHOICE.
And only bigot use Obama’s middle name as emphasis. There have been scientific studies on it. Not that there’s anything wrong with this name, but they use it specifically to imply he must be some secret Muslim terrorist. You sound ignorant.
EVERYONE is pro-life??? please explain what you mean by that. I don’t think a murderer is pro-life…
He is a grown man who already has a mother.
Pro-life and pro-death don’t come into the abortion debate. Its either pro-choice, or anti-choice. Thats many ‘pro-life’ people would sooner see a wife/mother die in childbirth than abort earlier on. That is PRO-DEATH. Also many conservative ‘pro-life’ people are in favor of the DEATH penalty of actual, real life, born living human beings. That is PRO-DEATH.
To prefer a mother die during childbirth rather than terminate on medical conditions, is to sentence the mother to DEATH, no life.
There is NO ‘life’ in the anti-choicers arguments. When you would rather a woman who has been raped, destroy her life by carrying and giving birth to an evil seed, when you’d rather a woman with serious obgyn issues to give birth and risk death, and when you would choose to play god over a born adult’s life in jail, you forfeit the right to call yourself a ‘pro-life’.
The simple fact is, so-called pro-‘life’ people are not pro-LIFE at all, on the contrary. And I will NEVER understand where anti-choicers are coming from.
@Lana, while you make some good points I don’t think you are understand what the meaning of “pro-life” is. Pro-life affirms both the life of the mother and the life of the unborn child. Pro-Life doesn’t mean Anti-Choice. Pro-Life means one makes a choice to be for life. Pro-Life beliefs encompass many more things aside from being against abortion. It means valuing convicts as much as their own children and being against the death penalty. Pro-Life means so much more than no abortion and no contraception. You are right that there are many pro-lifers that support the death penalty. They see abortion and the death penalty as a completely different issue because the baby in the womb is “innocent life”. I however do not support the death penalty but i understand why someone may. A true pro-lifer respects the life of a human from womb to tomb. Also, I understand that there are cases of rape that are terrible and that sometimes pregnancy does lead to health complications. However, you must realize that these cases only result in 7 percent of abortions! The rest are because the baby is unwanted or inconvenient. http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Pro-choice offers the unborn child, who is 100% human, NO choice.
I should care about what this woman thinks, why?
YIKES! How old are you?
I remember seeing an interview with Angelina Jolie when she was in Israel and the Israeli reporter asked her “Why do you never come to Israel, you never come here. Why?”. He said it in a light hearted way but Angelina kind of looked at him like “Why should I” and said something about how she haven’t had the opportunity…I remember thinking she probably isn’t very “Pro Israel” seeing how they treat their African immigrants and also the forced sterilization on Ehtiopian women that was quietly shut down and not mentioned so much in the media.
And seeing as Angelina has an Ethiopian daughter, I just thought she probably wasn’t very happy about that and Israels politics.
Awww, all the poor little conservatives, sad that their bigotry and stupidity and backwards thinking are being bashed.
(FYI, it’s been scientifically proven that conservatives are on the whole less intelligent than liberals)
At least conservatives are scientifically proven to be kinder than liberals http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026442/Dont-listen-liberals–Right-wingers-really-nicer-people-latest-research-shows.html
I find that Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Glen Beck, Bill O’Reilly, are all extremely rude. I wonder if the articles you have read are skewd. The democrats that I think are rude are Bill Maher and Kathy Griffin. Sorry, but I find the conservatives to be much worse than the democrats.
And why don’t the republicans take any issues with Cindy McCain, Laura Bush and Barbara Bush who publicly have said they support both gay marriage and pro choice?
The author of that article is from the Hoover Institute, a very conservative think tank.
I suspect quite strongly that he’s picked out the stuff he wants to make his ‘point’.
This is the site he mentions in his article.
http://www3.norc.org/gss+website/
I think I could probably pull out info that supports whatever I want it to.
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
@april, i agree that there are definately some rude conservatives. However, i was just trying to make a point to @mina. Mina brought up a study saying liberals are smarter than conservatives which is a big generalization to make whether there are “scientific studies” or not. I was just trying to show that there are studies like this that go both ways although they may not be accurate
wow this just lets us all know how personal politics are.
Jane Pitt is a private citizen that has a right to voice her opinions. But she has to also remember she is the mother of one of the most famous men in the world. And unlike everyday citizens that write in to newspapers or magazines or call into radio shows, she is not anonymous. She can’t really fly that way. She wrote a letter and signed her name. Which means she opened herself to people voicing their opinion positive or negative to her views.
I think she is getting an idea of what her son and his family go through when they say anything. If she had not expected this backlash then she is very naive and that is a shame. She has been on the opposite end of this. I’m sure she and her family are constantly contacted when something happens in Brad’s life. I can imagine she is getting lots of phone calls and threats as well. We live in scary times. She is not a politician but she is does not have the benefit of being just Jane Doe either. I’m sure she and her family are trying to figure out who to deal with this.
Americans would be better off paying attention to the shenanigans of the hedge funds and central banks. Your ira’s, bank accounts, any paper assets — none of these are safe anymore, that is the real import of MF Global. But that’s right, ignore all that, just make sure your vote is based on religion and birth certicates and nonsense, so the whole con game can keep running.
You are absolutely freakin’ right! Distract distract distract as you are robbed blind, by both Ds and Rs. Slavery and serfdom are imminent.
@lisa2 Accidentally replied to your comment when I meant it generally, sorry about that
@MerryHappy Thanks for the unintentional chuckle about how the Mormon religion was founded! I remember staying at some hotels in Utah a few years ago and instead of finding the standard Gideon Bible it was a Mormon Bible! My mother and I were fascinated by it since we are Catholic and we had 0 knowledge of its backstory. We started reading it and were shocked to find the religion was founded in upstate NY! It’s such a bizarre story, but then most religions have a weird backstory!
She’s Brad’s “Billy Carter”
Arch-conservative? More like common sense.
I love it someone up thread says “moderates on either end” well, by definition, moderates are on either side of the MIDDLE. When you go to the ends, you’re a liberal, or a conservative. Hence, our two-party system.
I think Jayne had every right to voice her opinion. She is a citizen too and pays her taxes. She is not a liberal and good for her. I voted for Obama and not this time. I am not a libonral. I do believe in the right for all to marry and freedome of choice to have or not have a kid. I do not believe in anything else this man is doing . By making people dependant on Govt funding so they do ot have to work is a bad thing ton do and I am starting to believe that libverals are all on welfare and the freebee listr because how they defend their right not o work or pay taxes and get everytinhg paid for by the people who DO work and pay taxes.Obama hates this country and is oing to break io down so the Muslims get a good grip on it..hang on..Don;t bother to blast me lol because your vile words just bounce off and also I do not have a vattle of words with freeloading liberals.
Obama signed NDAA which destroys the Bill of Rights, has authorized drone strikes, authorized the murder of an American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki SUSPECTED of terrorist activity, never closed Gitmo, bombed Libya and has expanded the drug war. Spare your piety in voting for a lesser evil. How’s voting for evil working for you? Obama exactly the same sort of war monger Bush was and you’re a joke to claim is he any better or worse than Romeny. There is no difference between either of these creeps owned by the banks.
I wonder if there’s anyone who will argue with you, lindsay. lol
Those drone strikes also kill people who are innocent, and even the guilty should have their day in court. What does that make O?
However, this is about Brad’s mom’s letter to a newspaper.
Pardon, I meant to reply to the snotty uber intellectual liberal lady pretending to have the higher moral ground. I’m basking in the overwhelming intellect of promoting a war criminal like Obama.
This hiding behind Obama’s race when disagreeing with his disastrous presidency disgusts me. The racist drug war that he is promoting and funding puts more black men in prison for nonviolent drug violent offense than all violent crimes combined. Liberals seems to be just fine with the dropping bombs on foreign brown people and have the gall to mouth off about racist conservatives using a silly middle name. The sole thing going for Romney is the fact has has not yet gotten his hands bloody. That asshat said on national TV has would “consult his lawyers on wars”. No you jerkoff, you consult Congress for a Declaration of War, of which neither Bush or Obama has for these various conflicts.
A person supporting Obama or Romney has NO moral authority to call out anyone else for racism or anti-gay view points. In my country, you are allowed to not like gay folks, as stupid as that is. It’s a far higher moral transgression to murder people under the pretense we are defending our national security. The only security threat to America is coming from extreme violence from the NarcoWar and I do not see any liberals, or conservatives, interested in working that angle.
LINDSAY, YOU WIN THE INTERWEBZ!
Seriously, Obama is just GWB II. And Romney is terrible. There is the choice between shit and shit in this election.
People need to start voting third party or something! Ds and Rs are owned already.
GAWD, who cares? Its not like this little old lady has any impact on our lives. Let her submit her letter to the editor along with all the other kooks. Most of them just do it for the attention anyway – look how successful she was at it! :/
I’m looking at the first (top) picture. Mrs Pitt looks so happy and her son looks great.
First photo
Jane “my smile is brighter than angelina’s and they better be serving caviar and veuve cliquot”
Brad “I really need to gtf outta here and smoke a j asap with ang. ”
Second photo
Brads Dad thinking “Hey I just wafted a biscuit”
Angelina “I thought brads dutch ovens were bad but this takes the cake”
Jane “mwahaha I stole brad’s dube”
Third photo
brads dad “finally the gas has cleared”
angelina “you beyotch I know you stole that dube”
Jane “yes and I smoked it with jennifer aniston in the bathroom”
Brad “pretty colors”
So she doesn’t share the same political viewpoint of Obama, angelina and Brad? So what…? Should everybody subscribe to the same “trendy” antics of the hollywood left? Not in this lifetime. That’s why I like Robert Downey Junior, he’s not afraid to “dare to be different”. At the end of the day, we are all free thinking individuals – not sheep, designed to hopefully use our own discerning thoughts to make up our minds about things. I don’t live in the states, but I find Obama and his overrall lack of presidential abilities to be embarrassing. He was treated like some kind of Messiah during his campaign, and now he just seems cringeworthy and uncapable.
I support her decisions / opinions and think she’s actually quite a brave lady not to give into what most people think. We all have a right to our own opinions.
She’s an idiot. Don’t give her antiquated views any time on this site. Major FAIL.