Chris Brown, who is no stranger to strange speeches and bizarre delusions, has shared his wisdom on the subject of Ebola. Are you ready for this? Chris made a farce of the deadly virus with a conspiracy theory. In doing so, he disregarded the pain of the victims and the bravery of the health care workers working to contain the epidemic. He tweeted, “I think this Ebola epidemic is a form of population control. Sh-t is getting crazy bruh.”
Then Chris tweeted that he was going to shut up. Of course that didn’t happen. He grew even more profane. I can’t even bear to repeat any of his followers replies. Many of them are cheering him ony. Ugh, Breezy. The San Francisco Gate has spoken with charity workers who are outraged at Chris’ “thoughtless” statements. The Red Cross says Chris’ words are “an unhelpful distraction from life-saving work.” Breezy will never apologize. He doesn’t pay lip service to any of his wrongdoings unless they affect his record sales. He may even think he’s correct, I don’t know. Or he’s simply trolling.
More celeb-related news on the subject of Ebola: Iggy Azalea went off on a paparazzo. Gawker has video footage of Iggy pushing a grocery cart and screaming “I hope you have Ebola! I hope you die!” This was an extreme statement, but it was a weird interaction. I guess Iggy’s assistant spit on the photog and he said he would catch Ebola or AIDS. Then Iggy screamed about wishing that the guy had Ebola.
Iggy later took to her Instagram page to say this pap had stalked her all day long: “You only saw the 30sec aftermath which was classy in comparison to what he said to us inside the grocery store where we discovered him lying on the floor after we had repeatedly & politely asked him to leave multiple locations. I only treated him the way he treated me all day.” It sounds like Iggy and her assistant had enough of this pap and lost their cool. They still should have known he would film them screaming at him.
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Iggy is disgusting. Chris is stupid. End of.
I don’t think what Chris Brown said is stupid or insensitive. Some people believe that the purpose of diseases including Ebola are to control our population. If we didn’t die , we would overrun the earth.
That doesn’t mean that it isn’t sad that people have died from Ebola.
I gave him some credit and thought that’s perhaps what he meant. A popular book published in the 90’s about Ebola brought that up; that diseases are Earth’s way of fighting back.
Dang, can’t remember the name of that book. Nonfiction.
just because chris believes it (as other conspiracy theorists do), it doesn’t mean that it isn’t “stupid.” sincerely holding a belief doesn’t make that belief not stupid, true, or not ignorant. he can believe whatever he wants, but will be criticized if others find his comments ignorant, insensitive, and/or divorced from reality.
I only know CB from here, so I am familiar with his unapologetically mysoginistic ways (tosser), but I am inclined to agree – I don’t think this is stupid or insensitive.
We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, and ebola is one of the many diseases that can be used as a bioweapon, population control and pharmaceutical profit being some of possible aims. We really should try to see beyond what the media feeds us. Of course, now that the virus has expanded beyond “the third world”, panic is more palpable, and all of a sudden *now* is when it begins to be considered a serious disease.
Best wishes to those who are dealing with or will have to deal with this in the future.
I don’t think he was going for a Gaia-type theory though – it sounded full-on tinfoil hat to me.
He really didn’t say whether he believes in a conspiracy or if he’s simply reiterating scientific fact, which is that disease is nature’s way of controlling the population. I can’t really fault him.
Ebola and other diseases might be nature’s way to cut down population of some species. But his comment sounds more like he meant human manufactured (or at least deliberately spread) virus. That is a dangerous statement.
It puts healthcare workers in danger (at least one treatment center was attacked and looted because some people believed Ebola doesn’t exist and doctors are killing patients in hospitals because reasons; one team of health care workers and reporters was murdered when they entered a village and those people there believed the same thing) and it most definitely puts the population in danger: they are less likely to follow protection protocols if they don’t believe in them.
Plus it pisses me off. There are health workers risking their lives day after day helping others and this is what they get in return? Sure most of conspiracy theorists are more concerned about corporations than health care workers, but it’s them who get hit directly.
In response to Crocuta’s comments, I don’t think health workers would have any say if this were a result of a massive tinfoil conspiracy involving population control by ebola. They would probably be the pawns in the game, but the puppeteers would not be anywhere near the action. It’s always the people in the field who suffer, and I don’t think mentioning an agenda is necessarily inconsiderate towards the health workers who are risking their lives.
Re: the book – are u referring to The Coming Plague? It’s talks about microbes & how microbes & diseases travel. I read it when Ebola cases got on the US public’s radar back in mid to late 90s, early 2000s. It’s a really good book.
No that wasn’t it but I will certainly check that out now! Thanks.
As others have said, nature balancing out the population is quite different that what his statement implies. At least, its different than the way I interpreted it. If he meant nature, fine, but I personally don’t think that’s what he meant.
This article came out yesterday that I thought was interesting:
http://io9.com/the-anti-vaxxers-are-spreading-ebola-conspiracy-theori-1645815265
I get violently angry with these people.
Diseases, Bacteria, viruses are all part of the food chain with lions, mice, people, and spiders. They all exist and do their job to keep the world in balance. Painful truth. Humans cannot survive everything or this planet cannot survive. It runs (or ran…) Like a well oiled machine for a reason.
This happens in the animal kingdom. During good times they proliferate and it’s nature’s way of building the population so that when times are bad, there are enough left to continue the species. Ebola could be nature’s way of reducing the population so the strongest will survive, but the ones with lowered immune systems will die. This also means offspring will be hardier when only the stronger surviving individuals mate.
I dont think his words are stupid, and have heard many different ideas.
@Leftovers:
Nothing wrong with giving information if that was all. But these theories actually put medics in danger. Not danger of getting ill (they have that enough as it is), but in literally being slaughtered because somebody thinks THEY are killing people instead of helping them. As I wrote above, that has already happened.
Here in the Balkans there’s a certain doctor that goes around lecturing against vaccinations. Lately one of her shticks is claiming that nobody dies of Ebola at home – they all die in the hospital (=are murdered by evil nurses and doctors there). That’s a terribly irresponsible thing to say. Of course – she’s never been to the danger zone to actually see what’s going on there.
Mel..are you thinking about “The Hot Zone: The terrifying true story of the origins of the Ebola virus”.
If Chris wants a chance at being taken seriously, then he needs to brush up on his grammar and learn to present his ideas in a dignified, non-poor-me-I’m-such-a-victim manner. If he’s read some of the rather intriguing books and articles regarding the plausibility of the powers that be taking advantage of the “cleansing” effects that devastating viruses such as Ebola can have on many communities, then why not just say as much and start some real dialogue? Because Chris Brown is a moron.
I’d agree with you if I thought Chris Brown knew how to read … I am certain he does not
Funny how these viruses have a way of depopulating communities of poor, dark people living far away (at least so far). We might subscribe to different theories about depopulation if nasties like Ebola struck at first in leafy, tree-lined American suburbs. Places that we don’t think have too many people, because they’re people like us.
These viruses spread in those other “depopulation-worthy” areas first because those places are crowded and unsanitary due to poverty, because people there don’t have the information to make them stop, and because their health infrastructures are inadequate.
Brown is ignorant on so many levels.
@Snazzy: You’ve got a point there.
@leftovers. I only know Chris Brown from here as well. He’s a nobody.
It was ignorant, bigoted, and insensitive. I’m sure all of you jumping on the bandwagon would have a very different opinion if Ebola threatened you or your children. Most of us have at least a passing familiarity with evolution and survival of the fittest, and I hope that’s what you’re all attempting to touch on here. But you are ignoring social and economic factors that create an artificially uneven playing field.
I agree with him. There are several forms of population control and diseases are one of them. Pay attention to the people that survive Ebola and the ones they let die. That’ll tell you everything you need to know.
Urghhh, you guys… Nobody is arguing that it is naturally or morally “right” to depopulate impoverished, third world countries. They may be pointing out, however, that the powers that be place zero value on those who aren’t “consumers.” They place very little value on the rest of us, but at least the “leafy suburbanites” spend money and help keep their disgusting, false, system afloat.
@Weird virus theories – +1000, finally someone talking some sense!! I was getting scared by this thread. It’s pretty dehumanising to talk about an infectious disease the way these two are, as if the people who happened to get it are being culled, absurd! Haemorrhagic viruses have been around for quite a while and this outbreak is only particularly bad because it was ignored for too long. If anything is “population control,” it’s the international community’s refusal to do what’s necessary because of the costs and because it didn’t strike in a western suburb. Cf. Marburg virus
I’m rooting for them to get together. Dreadful people who deserve each other.
To be honest, I NEVER thought the day would come when I might even mildly agree with Chris Brown, but apparently Hell did indeed freeze over!
The WHO has been monitoring the progress of various plagues for decades and has actually stated that we are generations overdue for a massive outbreak. I think our species has gotten a little too comfortable in thinking that we’re exempt from certain natural catastrophes, and now we have one that’s given us a quite a reality check. Given that we have more than 7 billion people roaming this planet now, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if, in its own way, Nature is trying to restore some of the balance that’s been thrown WAY off (oh man, I’m going to get so much hate for this).
it’s not really population control…it all originates from Africa. if it’s tending to be just black people in a particular region, that’s not population control — its a disease that thrives in that environment. The only reason it’s getting anywhere else is due to people traveling and being unaware they are infected.
Yeah but that’s how diseases get spread. They all have an origination point.
There is no telling what is lying dormant in any region of the world. All it takes is one man on a plane, one rat on a ship, etc to spread it throughout the world.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that is insensitive. Not because there are theories that nature controls the population through outbreaks of this kind. But because it seems so “ho, hum, so some starving people in Africa are dying of Ebola. Just population control.” Just seems heartless. I’m not hating on you, but I can’t really understand that attitude.
I agree with you about the false sense of security. Vaccinations and drugs have reduced the occurrence and fatality of many diseases, but they can’t protect us from everything.
Population control by deadly disease may be all well and good in the abstract but it’s not so great when it’s your nearest and dearest that are dying. There are far too many of us however. Less Than Three million when I was born, well over double that now. But no easy solution.
Ebola surfaced on the 70’s, Africa suffered with three huge outbreaks of the disease, a vaccine could’ve been made, but nothing happened. Only when ebola crossed the limits of Africa people is trying to do something, so it’s a case to think about. And Chris isn’t entirely wrong, human kind suffered with spanish flu, black plague, it could be seen as nature way to handle the problem of too many people.
As for Iggy, she should shut up.
I ussually don’t like Chris B, but i got to applaud him on this one! Wish more people had the courage to question the truth of this Ebola crisis that seems to have come out of nowhere and always Africa!
Truth of the Ebola crisis? What the hell does this mean? Question why it comes from Africa? Because the rest of the world has made a habit of stripping natural resources and human talent from parts of Africa (NB I HATE referring to Africa as a monolithic continent name!). It didn’t come out of nowhere, WHO was aware of it and warning of dire consequences as a direct result of divestment from healthcare practice in the area.
The only time I want to hear Chris Brown talking about population control is if he tells the world that he will not procreate.
+1000
Do you say the same thing about Sean
Penn and Charlie Sheen?
Just because they are big stars does not mean they are educated or know anything at all. They simply know how to pay lip service, and god help us, some people take their word as gospel.
God yes. I would prefer Chris Brown as a father to Charlie Sheen. But of course, he has already had kids and hopefully they will have a chance of happiness.
She spat on him? That’s beyond disgusting.
Thank you!!!! Spitting on someone is the most abhorrent thing in my opinion, worse than a slap. Any creature that spits on another should be considered sub human. Seriously, disqualified from the human race.
You know what else is disgusting? Harassing and verbally abusing a person until they get to the point where spitting is seen as a viable means of retaliation.
And CaptainHero, your naivety and idiocy is showing. The last time someone tried to classify a sect of individuals as sub-human, the outcome was less than desirable. In the grand scheme of things, spitting on another human is nothing.
Spitting on another person is assault. Assault is not “nothing”, it’s criminal.
@Yvonne spitting on someone is never a viable option, but I shouldn’t have to tell you that. It was your parent’s job to teach you manners. Disqualified.
Why would anyone say something so stupid? Is he implying we shouldn’t bother helping the victims because their deaths are helping keep the population in check? SMH.
I think he’s trying to “enlighten” his followers? Or something. There’s some conspiracy theories going around that the virus not being contained yet (which is actually ridiculous in this day and age) is on purpose for population control and then you have your standard “the virus was manmade” theories etc.
He’s an idiot. The end.
No. I hate to be the one sticking up for Chris, but no one rushed in to stop this epidemic from spreading and creating more misery. The wealthy countries are only starting to get more involved since it has moved off the continent and onto their soil. Since that has occurred, NOW you see companies ramping up the effort to produce vaccines and treatment because, well, MONEY.
Do I think this was an engineered virus? Probably not. But there was a hell of a lot of apathy when this disease was only in Africa. Take that as you will. He would have been better off asking his followers to donate to Doctors Without Borders, but he tends to fart out negativity versus positivity.
+10!
I completely agree, Kiddo. I also do not believe his comment was in any way to be disrespectful to those suffering.
There’s something completely shady about all of it.
while i agree with your premise, apathy and complacency does not equal “population control.” ebola has been around since the 70s, so, yeah, like you said, it’s about money.
I’m with you. I didn’t see his statement as disrespectful to the victims; there are plenty of people that believe there is something sinister behind this outbreak. I’m not a conspiracy theorist at all normally, but there have been some things about this that have made me go hmm…but I think it has less to do with population control and more to do with money.
Ebola has been around for a long time; it isn’t new. What’s new is the rate at which it has been spreading. It’s no secret that no one bothered to stop it because the people dying didn’t have a specific economic relevance to the rest of the world. But apparently that’s changing now: the spread of the virus is reducing the supply of chocolate, of all things. Mars, the maker of M&Ms, along with several other chocolate companies have just donated a large amount of money to help fight the virus so cacao bean growing and processing can resume. True.
@Ag, supposedly this strain is different than the last outbreaks, but I’m not arguing that it was engineered. To not treat or rescue from illness is a passive way of allowing population control, whether intentional or through neglect.
Exactly, Kiddo.
i think you are thinking on a different level than chris – i highly doubt that he meant passive population control.
the term has a sinister, very intentional meaning to it. not that letting people die out of neglect is any less sinister, of course not. but it seems like there was previously little money to be made from a relatively small-scale disease in a non-western part of the world. now the financial stakes are higher, clearly.
@Ag, passive population control can be equally sinister:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
I’m not saying that this disease was allowed to progress as part of an experiment.
But we, and other first world countries, are so full of sh!t in terms of how we address humanitarian crises.
That’s not true at all. The WHO and Doctors Without Borders were onto the ebola outbreak as soon as a doctor said the word “ebola”. Unfortunately, it went undetected for nearly three months because the early cases were misdiagnosed as malaria/flu, but once they were called in the WHO/DWB organized a huge effort. They damn near stopped it earlier this year, but the rural people in Guinea (where it started) became suspicious of the doctors. They didn’t understand the disease and how it was transmitting, and they stopped going to the hospital. When aide workers would come to the villages looking for infected people, their families would hide them, blaming the doctors for giving them the disease. I know it sounds like victim blaming, but these are largely still a shamanic people, and their tribal/village leaders were telling them not to go with the people in the yellow suits, and they thought the doctors were killing them, not the disease. (And there is a tragic history of pharmaceutical companies doing unethical testing in Africa, so it’s not an entirely unfounded paranoia.) So even as the WHO/DWB thought they were getting ahead of it, ebola was growing in these remote villages that stopped cooperating, then one guy got in a taxi to go to a hospital and it exploded. The WHO/DWB realized that far from taking control, they were actually working way behind the disease.
It’s just really unfortunate, and it’s proof that public health education is vital, especially in rural areas.
@Algernon, Drs without borders is everywhere and at ground zero. If you look at the website, you will see how they were practically begging for help. I know the entire sequence of events as they unfolded. When there is something like oil to protect, it’s amazing how quickly help can be mobilized and money spent, including installing livable tents or pre-manufactured units for soldiers or mercenaries. A lot of these people were deathly ill and lying in open tents on grass or dirt. Of course education is important, but so are supplies and back-up, so that the front line doesn’t get burned out or sick themselves.
I was aware of the experimental drugs in the past. And so ,of course, you would be mistrustful when your country has been used as guinea pigs in the past which, actually makes Chris’ statement LESS tin foil hat-ish.
The thing about Africa is what makes me side-eye his comment.
I feel like people (especially Americans) are more likely to think about the “population control” aspect of diseases when they talk about the continent of Africa. It is like they think that we’d all be better off if the poor people in an area of the world with struggling economies would just go away and then we can start fresh. When illness hits the US, the focus is on stopping the spread. When it hits Africa, people suggest maybe it is for the best or has a greater purpose.
Sometimes I question the focus on Ebola, while ignoring diseases like enterovirus D68 which is killing the young and old incredibly suddenly (one child had no symptoms when he went to bed but died from the virus in his sleep). There have been almost 700 cases of this virus in 46 states.
@Tiffany 🙂 The flu has killed more children and adults in the US than the enterovirus D68.
It’s not that Americans largely think we’d be better off with people dying off in Africa, it’s that history has taught us that some people in the world have more value placed on them, by our government, than other people.
Kiddo, but the flu has also killed more than Ebola in the US as well. That doesn’t mean it is not a threat, just like it doesn’t mean that enterovirus is not a threat.
In comparing enterovirus vs. ebola, enterovirus has a lot more unknowns about what makes the D68 strain so deadly. It is a much easier to catch than ebola, because it can be spread much more easily. I think in terms of public safety, the general public is more endangered by other diseases than by Ebola. I do think Ebola is a very serious matter, but it isn’t the most urgent threat.
Tiffany, I don’t disagree, I thought my point about the flu was clear since D68 is more prevalent than Ebola, it would stand to reason that the flu (most prevalent) would also be the most prevalent in causing mortalities for all 3, in the US, to date. Although not all mechanisms for transmission are known about Ebola. It tends to stay active on surfaces for a while, and we can’t really know how contagious someone is directly before exhibiting symptoms, as in one minute you don’t have it, then you do, there’s likely leeway for it to be contagious, before the patient is dreadfully sick. But it is deadly serious in Africa and has been. As to concerns here, it’s a wait and see, in terms of real preparation in hospitals. Remember, some of the deadliest outbreaks of diseases can be nosocomial infections. If it is spread within the hospital setting, you will see many more deaths because patients already will have depressed immunity from whatever other illness they are being treated for, they would be the most vulnerable. Of course for mortality rates of all three diseases, the most vulnerable are highest at risk for death anyway.
Just because you don’t see a large number of cases of Ebola, doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t have respect for the potential lethal nature. I’m not saying that we should freak out. My point prior was that we allowed it to become a deadly epidemic in Africa and we should care about that even if it NEVER presented a risk here, which in these days of travel is an absurd notion anyway, that it would ‘stay put’.
I completely agree that we should have cared about it before it presented a risk in the US. I absolutely agree with that. I guess I just feel in regards to risks to the US the recent news coverage with their theme music and headline images are overly sensational. As I said before, I do think that Ebola is a serious matter that deserves attention, but I think it is reaching a point of unnecessary hysteria.
@Tiffany Ooh, I haven’t watched any real mainstream TV coverage at all, outside of Frontline, or those types of programs. I have been following it on the net, all along. I guess I can imagine what you mean.
Oh Kiddo, you are missing out! The other day, it was on every channel that has news programs simultaneously. Its become “the story” that crowds out anything else that might be happening in the world.
Glad he’s getting proper use out of his medical degree.
Exactly. If this is population control then surely he’s next to get it.
I dunno. I think Chris finally said something we can all agree on… that he should shut the f*** up.
I thought all the CB commenters would agree on that but it seems many on here agree with him! WTF!!!!! Population control is important but it should be achieved by Education and Birth Control…not killing people who are already here. I cannot believe the number of immature dolts on here saying that it’s population control. Yeah I’m sure you’re all fine and dandy with natural disasters/viruses being population control until it’s YOUR FAMILY being affected by either. Easy to say when it’ s faceless people you don’t know in another country. I cannot believe the callous statements being made here. I am disappointed in the CB fans. I thought we were better than this.
“Population control is important but it should be achieved by Education and Birth Control…not killing people who are already here”
I agree 100% with that!
In my opinion, he wasn’t advocating for it as population control. He was making sardonic political commentary. He may not have said it in the most graceful manner, but I highly doubt he intends that we should allow people to die to control the population. And I don’t even like this guy.
Of COURSE he thinks this. Of COURSE he does.
The problem being his idiot fans will now take this idiot and his idiot theory and run with it.
You know, I have been so worried about the Ebola epidemic, and my heart breaks for the countries suffering the most, and I’ve cried over pictures of children dying, and I’m afraid we will get a huge outbreak here because the CDC doesn’t seem to know exactly how it is transmitted. I sort of assumed most people felt empathy, concern and wondered what they could do to help. Chris Brown has disgusted me for some time, but I really just never imagined that a human being could be so callous, so oblivious to human suffering and so very stupid. The “population control” is affecting people who’s lives are already a day to day struggle, and there aren’t enough beds or doctors and really no medicine. He has no heart or brain.
Yep GNAT
He really is the lowest of the low.
This epidemic is mind-bending……we’ve been here before. I read a book called the Hot ( ir Red?) Zone ages ago, maybe even late 80s, about it rampaging through Africa at the time, and here we are with nothing to combat it still.
This population-control/epidemic thing always crops up, trickle-down from WHO experts, to Dan Brown novels, to blithering idiots.
Another good book is Peter Piot’s memoir, No Time to Lose: A Life in Pursuit of Deadly Viruses. In it, he relates his involvement in tracking AIDS and ebola. It gives a good overview of the political and cultural contexts of these epidemics too.
Yea Frida
There were many similar books around 84 about the origins of AIDS. My goodness there were terrible, compelling theses, regarding tailored epidemics.
I guess Ebola, like AIDS, at last gets serious attention now it is endangering the undespised of the world.
Chris Brown’s probably doing his best brain-wrangling there, I’ll be nice…..but it’s essentially a doctrine of ‘que sera, sera’, and he may not have realised that.
This here Iggy woman though….. Every report attests to an utterly repellent person. What a pair they make.
Chris2, yes indeed.
Especially to your comment “I guess Ebola, like AIDS, at last gets serious attention now it is endangering the undespised of the world.” This is what upsets me the most–it’s fine while it’s over there with the po’ folk in the “3d world countries” but as soon as it ends up here, suddenly it seems to really matter.
“the CDC doesn’t seem to know exactly how it is transmitted. ”
They know exactly how ebola is transmitted–through direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person. Ebola is very scary because the survival rate is so low and it moves so fast, but if you can isolate it in a population, it actually dies out very quickly because it requires such a specific mode of transportation. You could sit next to someone with ebola and as long as they didn’t throw up on you, you’d be fine. (Which is how infected people fly on planes and no one else comes down with it.) Unfortunately, ebola causes you to gush blood from every orifice and you puke a lot once symptoms start presenting, so it can get dicey for the people at highest risk: the health workers, which is what we’re seeing now in Dallas.
There’s enough fear and hysteria surrounding this topic. We don’t need to propogate it with misinformation. Ebola is a frightening disease in and of itself.
Well, believe that if you want, but the nurse who cared for the man in Texas who died from Ebola was taught the current protocol, and she has Ebola now. Of course, they are blaming her and saying maybe she didn’t follow the protocol correctly, but we will see. Doctor’s always act like they have all the answers until it’s proven that they’re wrong. I’m not suggesting that everyone panic. I just don’t have blind faith in what the doctor’s are telling us. A month ago it was “we will never see a case of Ebola in the US.”
My question is how well was she taught? The process of removing those suits is really laborious, and I don’t think it was her fault in that she just yanked her suit off or whatever, but I wonder if they mobilized so quickly they didn’t really do a thorough enough job instructing the hospital workers on proper protocol. I could see it being that sort of hasty accident.*
Also, about the public statements issued by the CDC, one thing that really struck me about the movie Contagion was the notion that often the public health officials are forced into saying things for political reasons even though they know better. I won’t be surprised at all if we learn eventually that the CDC was completely freaked out and wanted to be at least cautious publicly, but were forced into making such a hardline statement for political reasons.
I don’t think there’s any kind of conspiracy, and I don’t think the CDC (or WHO or DWB) are idiots. They’re some of the most highly education and intelligent medical professionals in the world, who have dedicated their lives to understanding and eradicating these diseases. I do believe, however, that politics can get in the middle of what should be an apolitical public health initiative and muck things up for everybody else.
*Hasty in the sense that the staff was instructed hastily, not that *she* was hasty. I think she’s a victim of a risky job, haste and bad luck.
Very good points, all. And as I said, I’m not trying to say the sky is falling, or be disrespectful to the intelligent men and women at the CDC. I’m just concerned that they are either not completely right, or downplaying things for political reasons, as you pointed out. I don’t want to be one of the idiots running around making things worse, so thanks for your perspective.
GNAT – we have a nursing school in our small town. Given the intelligence levels of a lot of the girls my age that went into nursing (they could regurgitate facts, but didn’t understand them/lacked a lot of common sense)- and hearing a lot of stories of not following procedure which ends up causing problems with patient care – I believe it’s totally just as possible that she didn’t follow it as it is that she did follow it and things happened anyway.
It could be terrible luck, as well. It could be that she was incredibly tired after working a shift set, and just happened to not notice she touched something she shouldn’t have. I don’t know. But overall, it’s a risky job, and things unfortunately can happen.
@GoodNames,
I agree with your posts. I too am concerned that the CDC/government isn’t being 100% honest about ebola whether thru lack of information or fear of creating panic. Also, I am worried that our healthcare workers are not adequately trained to deal with ebola. I’m not suggesting anything about “population control” from any entity except nature.
Also, the U.S. seems woefully inadequate to handling one or two cases of ebola. I can’t imagine this country having a true outbreak. It would be very frightening, very fast. I pray that our government/CDC looks closely at how the Texas ebola case/cases have been handled.
I heard a report on NPR about the training for workers going to Africa. They were talking about the suits they have to wear and the many layers. These were highly trained individuals, but at the end of the story when they suited up, one of them had their neck flap hanging open, leaving them exposed and at risk.
I think the “buddy system” they are implementing now will help, hopefully.
Some high ranking medical professionals at the UN fear that this particular strain of Ebola could eventually mutate into an airborne contagion.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least, since we already know Ebola can survive on a dry toothbrush or a countertop for several weeks.
@tippy –
No it can’t. Several days at most, and only if its kept in body fluids:
From the CDC:
How long does Ebola live outside the body?
Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html
Exactly, have folks seen the steps for degowning for Ebola? It’s a 25 step procedure. It has a 49 page powerpoint presentation-just on how to take off your gown safely. All it takes it missing one step.
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6968775/ebola-nurse-united-states-texas-directions-protocol-breach
The hospital is claiming they followed procedure-the CDC is saying that a step in the process must have been missed. Considering that none of those Dallas nurses/doctors have specialized training in this kind of infectious disease, plus their initial mess up with the other patient-I’m less willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
The missionary woman doesn’t know how she got it either-she never even set foot in the hospital or came into contact with an infected person and she still came down with it. I feel sorry for the nurse. Everyone is coming down on her saying it’s her fault.
GNAT: “A month ago it was “we will never see a case of Ebola in the US.” Not from what I was reading. When the first two infected Americans were brought over and treated in Atlanta it was mentioned, and apparently overlooked, that Ebola would show up here, it would be very hard for it not to due to air travel, among other things.
I’ll point out that Ebola pts have been treated in Atlanta and Nebraska as well and there have been no other infections. However, these two facilities have more specialized and trained staff to deal with it. The Dallas hospital, in theory, should have been able to deal with it. But even with training, protocol breaches happen.
@Tippy, not that Ebola can’t mutate and become and become airborne, but it’s considered highly unlikely at this time. It’s still droplet transmission.
“But interviews with several infectious diseases experts reveal that whereas such a mutation—or more likely series of mutations—might physically be possible, it’s highly unlikely. In fact, there’s almost no historical precedent for any virus to change its basic mode of transmission so radically. “We have so many problems with Ebola, let’s not make another one that, of course, is theoretically possible but is pretty way down on the list of likely issues,” says infectious diseases expert William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University. “Everything that is happening now can easily be comprehensively explained by person-to-person spread via body contact. We don’t have to invoke anything else.””
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-the-ebola-virus-will-go-airborne/
Yes Chris , would love to hear more of your thoughts… ( takes big sip of wine)
Suprisingly there are many people who believe along these lines, those are usually the same people who believe the New World Order and illuminati exist. People also have this conspiracy theory about the Georgia guidestones and how a new stone was added and taken way that may have predicted this. I mean really most of these conspiracy theories come from the fact many dont trust the government. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories but sometimes they are interesting to read because some are sooooo far out there!
Yeah, well, I don’t trust Chris Brown. The man is a boil with legs.
Oh I agree , I was just stating where this thinking can come from.
I have nothing to say about Chris Brown’s statement. It is beyond sad. Not sure where our compassion has gone this days for those who are suffering from anything that is not of their making. Second, if Iggy was having trouble with the pap stalking her, call the police or at least if the problem is in a store, get the store security to escort the person out. Of course, we only her word that she was being stalked all day.
Chris is dumb as rocks.
Cue the numbskulls.
I know a lot of people who believe this and they get crazy with the conspiracy theories. Like vaccines are a weapon that introduces a “death clock” that “they” can “activate” in times of civil unrest or famine to control the “herd” and that’s why they will never vaccinate their kids or get a flu shot. This may have a lot to do with me hating my job.
Or the headline ‘Chris Brown: Idiot.’ would also have worked quite nicely, I think.
Maybe he should get on a plane to Liberia……….
Wow. Well congratulations. In trying to make Chris sound like an insensitive idiot, you managed to sound even worse than him. What a LOVELY thing to wish on someone.
Umm.. the Black Plague? Smallpox? Spanish Influenza? He’s not exactly wrong there – it’s not governments doing this, it’s nature. If you actually think of the earth as a living creature – WE are parasites that are decimating it, and in order for it to survive, it’s gotta rid itself of some of us. As much as I hate this douchebag, he has a point.
Throughout history, there have been opportunistic viruses/diseases that have decimated the population when it has gotten too big. The black plague happened when the earth’s temperature rose two degrees (yup – global warming isn’t a new thing, folks) and shipping trade routes being set up between Europe and Asia. It wiped out an estimated 30-60% of Europe total population – how is THAT any different than Ebola? It wasn’t a ‘conspiracy,’ although SOME did believe it was and persecuted Polish Jews when they didn’t come down with the illness (either due to their hygiene practices of ritual bathing or their B+ blood type).
It is sad and incredibly scary what is happening right now, but to be HONEST, if the media and governments had listened to doctors and scientists over the years regarding THIS (and other highly contagious diseases only found in small areas throughout the world), we may have a vaccine or real cure by now. The world health community always knew it was just a matter of time before Ebola would rear its ugly head again. The fact that it was just a ‘third world’ problem made ‘first world’ leaders turn a blind eye. It was NOT OUR PROBLEM… now it is.
I totally agree with you Mindy, but as you will see from my comment below there are somethings that were Man made, created and spread to decimate large quantities of the world population “at once”, and the Governments have a lot to do with it. Just like maintaining the poverty, keeping certain diseases and wars going, is yet another way to control what happens in the world…
And I am saying this from Africa, so for us Ebola, Cholera, and many many other diseases have always been a reality (somewhat, as Ebola didn’t reach my country in a big way yet), but now that it is spreading accross the globe, suddenly it has to be cured and treated.
Sorry I kind of went on a tangent there but these are things I have been thinking about and it saddens me…
That kind of thinking is the reason why this current outbreak of Ebola has caused so many casualties. Because some people in Africa think Ebola was brought by some demons or the government and therefore refuse treatment. As far as I know some people who came into a village to help were even killed.
No we don’t all believe that Demons brought the diseases don’t twist my words I do believe in medicine, and this is why I actually commented – I do think there is a cure for these diseases and people SHOULD have access to them (if they do exist).
I am African, but I don’t think refusing treatment because the government said so is the way to go I am educated and informed.
I was just talking generally and sharing an opinion but hey, it has been 1 case out of Africa but you know what, Africa has 47 countries, and althought they only reported the spanish nurse, and oh great the “important” part of the world is saved, they don’t report that in Africa it IS spreading at a somewhat alarming rate, but that’s not interesting news to anyone who still thinks that Africa is a country.
So I guess if the disease – which again is not new for us – stays in Africa, it is not something to worry about as longs as it stays around here.
Now you are twisting my words, because I didn’t say anything about “important” parts of the world outside of Africa. Mindy was talking about Spanish Influenza and the Black Plague. Both were pandemics and spread around the world causing tens of millions of deaths. Currently, Ebola is nothing compared to them.
I brought up the spanish nurse, because she is the only person who got infected outside of Africa. So Ebola has spread over some african countries, but is still a more local epidemic, again, compared to the Plague or Influenza.
Your theory about nobody being interested in african people dying is just wrong, because there are a lot of countries currently helping. My country, Germany, is helping with a complete mobile hospital.
Your other theory about present cures against AIDS or cancer is wrong, too. Let me just pick cancer. It’s currently one of the deadliest diseases worldwide. Do you really think a government or a company could or would hide the cure to a disease, that has a good chance to kill members of this government or members of their family?
Yes, science has advanced, but there isn’t a cure for everything.
If cancer had a certain cure the pharmaceutical industry would suffer a great deal. Chemotherapy medicine is of the most expensive kind and it drives a lot of the economy in that respect BUT! Again, it is a theory.
About the interest in African countries I know some countries are helping I’m not saying the world is evil and we (african) are all damned but help from the big players only comes now that the possibility of spreading is real.
It has always been like that. I hope it will change one day, but unfortunately till this day yes we do get a lot of help and I am grateful for it, but not to the extent we would/could if this situation was in the US or in Europe. Sad but true.
And I am not saying this only as an African, but as fellow citizen in the underdeveloped countries. It takes a long time to get help and we are often pushed aside. I know it probably isn’t everyone’s problem, i know there are real, SERIOUS problems everywhere in the world.
What’s happening right now is totally blown out of proportion. Ebola scares people because of the high mortality rate and its contagiousness, but the current number of fatalities is low compared to other diseases. About 4000 people died already and in the end, there could be as much as 20.000 dead. During a heavy flu season more than 40.000 people die in the US alone…
Ebola has the potential to start a worldwide epidemic, but as far as i know only one person was infected outside of Africa (the spanish nurse). So it’s a bit early to compare it to the Black Plague or the Spanish Influenza… It’s good to be careful, but the chance that you catch a flu and die because of it is much higher than the chance you die because of Ebola.
2 people were infected outside of Africa; the spanish nurse, AND the american nurse.
AIDS only received attention after it traveled to first world countries and white heterosexuals started getting the disease. It was in Africa for years decimating the population. The American government turned a blind eye while members of the American gay community were dropping like flies for YEARS (the same with IV drug users). If it doean’t affect THEM personally or their KEY POLITICAL DEMOGRAPHIC here (I’m American), they don’t give a rat’s ass.
LOL really? AIDS first showed up in gay men in the US and those men died because we didn’t know what it was or how to treat it. Now we have antiretroviral therapy to treat both the straight AND gay population. Enough with the conspiracy theory BS.
We turn a blind eye when when diseases are decimating poor populations, but that’s just the pharmaceutical industry. There’s no incentive to spend hundreds of millions making drugs for people who can’t pay for said drugs. It’s not economically feasible. Sad but true. That’s not a conspiracy to keep the gays/minorities/poor down… it’s just money ruling the world like it does in every other facet of human life.
The black plague or bubonic plague did not come about as a result of earth’s warming or overpopulation. It arrived from Asia by Mongol travellers in 1347 when the world was certainly not brimming with people like today. Rats carried the pathogen. They were bitten by fleas. The bacteria then blocks a valve that opens into the flea’s stomach. The starving flea then repeatedly bites its host, by now probably a new, healthy rat or a person, more aggressively in an attempt to feed. All the while, the flea tries to clear out the bacterial obstruction and so regurgitates the pathogen onto the bite wounds.
Nature does have its ways of checks and balances but many times the checks and balances spin out of control when an opportunistic bacteria or virus gets out of control and spreads wildly when proper education, sanitation and isolation procedures aren’t followed.
While I don’t agree with the way he phrased it, I will not say I disagree completely with him.
We are 7 billion people on earth, and there are a lot of studies/books/theories about different ways the world/nature tries to maintain the balance in the world, in terms of number of people and etc.
It goes as far as naming the Holocaust, Hiroshima, and even Aids as mechanisms to control the population of the world.
I think it would be pretty naïve of us to believe that in this day and age there isn’t a cure for AIDS, or for Cancer, for that matter. It has long been discussed that there is a “need” to keep these things going because MONEY. Cancer cures have been “semi” announced over the years then buried somewhere because if there is such a thing the pharmaceutical industry would suffer greatly, if not die.
Anyway there are a lot of things going around in the media, and yes the media controls the world, instills fear, and people die in order to keep some sort of balance, and unfortunately this is (probably) how the world works.
But hey this is just me also rambling of my thoughts, just hopefully in a more cohesive way than mister Chris Brown did up there.
About Iggy, well it was a really horrible thing to say, but every time I try to put myself in a celebrity’s shoes in a situation like that I feel sorry for them because I have a temper, although I can be very patient, but I have said some bad things in the past when pushed to the limit. I can’t even deal with a stalker cat-calling me on the streets, let alone some idiot trying to take an unflattering picture of me and calling me names to get a reaction and make some money off me while making me look like an insensitive raging bitch.
I don’t think I’m naive at all. I don’t think there’s a cure and I don’t think “Big Pharma” and the “media” are out to get us. I respect your right to your opinion but I disagree completely.
The Holocaust and Hiroshima? Those are two completely different things and shouldn’t even be in the same sentence with AIDS and Ebola.
As I said, those were “theories” yet one would have to wonder why there would be the need to erradicate such huge amounts of people at once in both those situations. I’m talking about different mechanisms “probably” used to lessen the number of people on earth.
You are free to believe or not, it is just food for thought. All things happening in the world, all the wars, famine, political nonsense, oil wars, genocide, have a “valid explanation” that we are meant to believe because CNN says it. I’m not saying I don’t believe it, I just try to investigate and think for myself rather than just taking in whatever the media is giving me.
I am not conspiracy theorist, I don’t spend days and hours reading/ watching videos about illuminati and all those conspiracy theories, I actually don’t watch them at all, I just think that there is a high possibility there is a big ulterior motive to justify all these things happening in the world – those reasons are Money and Power.
Science nowadays is more advanced than it has ever been to think that there isn’t an actual Cure for AIDS or Ebola… It’s just not convenient to anyone except the people affected and their loved ones, unless it gets too close for comfort – which seems to be what is happening right now.
All this being said, I don’t intend to offend/ disrespect anyone. I am just sharing an opinion, and discussing…
I hate to break it to you: You are a conspiracy theorist.
If you think there is a “high possibility there is a big ulterior motive to justify all these things happening in the world”, you are a conspiracy theorist because that’s what conspiracies are. You think there are cures for cancer and AIDS that are being held back by pharmaceutical companies because you think they want to profit from treatment. That’s one of the top conspiracy theories out there. Just because you don’t watch videos about this stuff doesn’t make you a non-conspiracy theorist.
Fair enough.
Doens’t make me wrong. And doesn’t make me right either. I’m open to both possibilities.
See, this is the problem with conspiracy theories and theorists. You float all these “theories” as though they’re fact and then when you’re called out you say “Well I could be wrong”. As if that’s going to prevent you from accountability for floating a ridiculous theory. You just said that we’re all naive if we don’t think Big Pharma is holding back on a f***ing AIDS and cancer cure. And now you’re saying “I’m open to being wrong or right”. WTF is that? I can float crazy stuff too. I’m declaring that Obama is an alien and you’re naive if you think otherwise. It has long been discussed (No mention of by whom or in what medium, mind you) that he is one and that he will be taking over the Earth in very short time.
But I could be wrong. Or right. However it turns out I’m on that side.
Well, Holocaust definitely was about erasing a part of humanity, I’ll agree to that. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were (besides trying to subdue a war enemy) experiments of how these two bombs really work and how much damage they can do. None of this is a secret. Connecting it all … Makes no sense. If that was the truth, it also didn’t work. 😉
Contagious diseases have been around, killing entire populations, since the dawn of time. They didn’t start with bioengineering. Sure there are people trying to create biological weapons. That doesn’t mean this is it. Ebola isn’t a new disease and Kongo has an outbreak almost every year.
I find it funny how conspiracy theorists insist the media is lying to SCARE us all, but it’s them that find terrifying connections in everything and think we should all hide because the big evil is coming to get us. Who’s really spreading fear?
@Crocuta Well thank you I totally agree with you. I – besides this fun conversation here today – refrain from speaking my mind because I will be probably considered crazy or something.
I was only looking for a healthy discussion. And well, Ebola is not new here, I’ve been hearing about it since I was a child but luckily so far in my country we didn’t have more than a few isolated cases.
I don’t think the Media is out there to lie to us – that would defeat the purpose of journalism – but I do think certain info is censored. Sometimes for very good reasons – to avoid Panic, sometimes for not-so-noble reasons.
In any case this is the world we live in. Not much we can do about it.
If there were really cures for the big diseases, that wouldn’t be the end of the pharmaceutical industry. Many a venereal disease has a cure, yet they are still transmitted, simply because people are irresponsible, careless, selfish, etc. One could jump from there to the possibility of people getting cancer cured then developing it again, because they didn’t change the habits that might have caused it to develop in the first place. On top of that, there are so many types of cancer, and they aren’t all caused by one thing. People who have never smoked a day on their lives die of lung cancer. Morrissey, who is a longtime vegan, has cancer, too. If researchers knew more about what has caused cancer in the majority of cases, don’t you think there’d be a vaccine for it by now?
Humans might be greedy, but they’re also arrogant, and believe we have the right of dominion over life and the planet. I do think nature likes to remind us sometimes that we don’t control as much as we think.
Mimz says:
“If cancer had a certain cure the pharmaceutical industry would suffer a great deal.”
Why? That doesn’t make sense. Couldn’t they sell the “certain cure” and sell it for a much higher price than the drugs available today? Beeing able to cure ill people wouldn’t mean nobody else will develop the illness, too.
In my opinion, people who think there are cures which are hidden just don’t know enough about nature science/medicine. Work in a research lab for a while and learn how many problems and unexpected results there are and then tell us again that there has to be a “certain cure” somewhere.
Nothing new here. When AIDS first surfaced in the early 1980s, people claimed it was a man-made virus created in a CIA laboratory to kill black people and gay people. The paranoia was mind-blowing. I heard it all the time.
This is the same ‘rationale’. This time the vast majority of victims are impoverished blacks in Western Africa. If a Caucasian posted this I’d say it was a racist statement. Of course CB is safe from that particular criticism. All I can do is hope that people realize it for the idiotic, uneducated, hateful statement that it is.
ETA: Reading the posts saying ‘he has a point’ makes me want to quit humanity.
If he’s talking government conspiracy/population control, he’s wrong because if they were trying to control the population and had the means to target it, he’d have been the first to go.
I’ve been anxiously waiting to find out what Chris Brown thinks about Ebola and other topics of the day!
In a year or two, maybe less, we will be wondering Iggy who!!
So the pap won in the end, he got her saying something on camera and then sold the footage for a good price. These celebs need to realize that silence works better, they can’t get much when the footage is of you just shopping and walking to your car. They WANT you to say something that will get headlines.
With regards to Chris Brown, people have the right to their opinion (no matter how stupid they are).
I definitely think population control is a real agenda that is carried out discretely through manipulated wars, world tension and disease. Anyone who doubts it or considers it to be just a conspiracy theory ( I hate that phrase) should research the Georgia Guidestones and the messages inscribed into them, one that is disturbing is, “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.” The George Guidestones aren’t some random monument either, lots of planning, money and labor was put into erecting them, they are considered the American Stonehenge and the monument site is monitored by surveillance 24/7 and the county of Georgia. On each stone, the commandments are translated into several different languages, but all relay the same message, that human life must be controlled by the powers that be in order to preserve “nature.” (power).
I don’t like Chris Brown, but I don’t disagree with what he is implying, nor find it insensitive.
I do believe all the chemicals they are putting in our food/water/air is causing fertility issues. I swear I know so many women who just aren’t able to conceive. My mom’s generation had very few fertility issues. What’s the deal? Could just be a by-product of a dirty/greedy world consumed with making a buck and not caring about ruining the environment, or it could be something else.
Like what?
I agree with you. For years we have been told that fluoride is safe and in small, tiny doses, it is. But it has been added to our drinking water in the past several years and fluoride when ingested is very hazardous to our health. One of the main side effects it possesses is that over time it deteriorates our cognitive functions when ingested, so in a sense, it numbs our brain and works as a neurotoxin against it. Another controversial substance that has been added to our drinking water in recent years is lithium, which is known for it lobotomizing properties. There is absolutely no evidence to support that these substances enhance or support our health when ingested on a regular basis and why is it necessary to add them to our drinking water?
One of my friends recently was pregnant and gave birth to a stillborn, the US is known for it’s higher fertility issues and still born births, it’s all very strange.
Fluoride, when ingested in large amounts, can be dangerous. Not in the amounts they use.
From the EPA: http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/fluoride.cfm
From the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/index.htm :
“Scientific Reviews about Fluoridation Safety
Discovery of the decay-preventing effects of naturally occurring fluoride in water led to the start of community water fluoridation in 1945. For more than 65 years, water fluoridation has undergone extensive scientific studies and reviews to assess its public health benefits and risks.
For many years, panels of experts from different health and scientific fields have provided strong evidence that water fluoridation is safe and effective. See Scientific Reviews: Assessing the Weight of the Evidence for more details.
Health Effects and Environmental Impact
The safety of fluoride in drinking water at levels recommended for preventing tooth decay has been affirmed by numerous scientific and professional groups. Scientists have found a lack of evidence to show an association between water fluoridation and a negative impact on people, plants, or animals.”
This link will show you all the evidence to support fluoride’s benefits.
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/benefits/index.htm#reviews
As far as lithium, no one adds it to the drinking water, its a naturally occurring element. From the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/opinion/sunday/should-we-all-take-a-bit-of-lithium.html
Kate,
Respectfully, how is citing government websites as your sources going to convince anyone who suspects that same government of diabolical collusion? I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suspect the super rich (who obviously control our sham of a republic) to CONSPIRE to maintain the extreme level of control they maintain. They have been doing it for centuries, and some will even outright admit to it. And the Georgia guidestones can be referred to as the American Stonehenge because whether you like it or not they are mysterious, not because they in any way compare in age or construction.
Yariettt –
The sites I linked to have spent years researching and studying the effects of the fluoride in water. If you have a fully independent study that took place over years that you can link to I’m all ears.
If the super rich are conspiring to maintain the level of control they have, they do it by influencing politicians to have laws (and tax laws) changed in their favor to keep them rich. If that’s what you mean, fine, but its not by keeping and making people sick.
And as far as the Georgia stones, people can call them what they want and find them mysterious if they want. I never said otherwise. I just think its stupid to compare them with Stonehenge. I personally find it hard to find rando stones that Joe Blow put up mysterious. But that’s just me. I get that others prefer to think they’re mysterious. Whatever blows your hair back.
So, you think that part of carrying out a discrete agenda means carving it into stone and putting it up for all the world to see? Stonehenge is fascinating because it was erected hundreds and hundreds (probably thousands) of years ago by druids with no technology. This was erected by some dude in 1980 with too much money who hired a construction company to put these up. Trump Tower has about the same amount of mystery. Calling it the American Stonehenge is embarrassing. I could anonymously hire someone to carve nonsense into stone tablets too and create my own “mystery”.
And yes. This: “I definitely think population control is a real agenda that is carried out discretely through manipulated wars, world tension and disease.” is a conspiracy theory, whether you hate the phrase or not. You’re entitled to that belief, but that’s what it is.
Kate, it’s a theory, just like there are theories in science, philosophy and religion. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, so don’t be so quick to dismiss something just because everything is a conspiracy in your mind. Plato’s allegory of the cave comes to mind when it comes to your sense of rationalization. I suggest you read it, because it may give you some insight. Don’t believe everything you see and read, because some of it is truly very biased, filtered, heavily censored, and deceitful. Just because an individual poses questions that are not mainstream, does not make them a conspiracy theorist.
People use to think that the ”weapons of mass destruction” that the media and the Bush administration pushed to justify a war were real and those who questioned it were anti-american, now as the years have passed by, we saw that a lot of it was fabricated to justify an endless war. I am not saying there were not visible threats, but they were heavily exaggerated during that time and it is now acknowledged by the media that it was. The news and media is owned by corporations and it is heavily censored, this is not a conspiracy, but a well known and documented fact, therefore not everything you see on your television is 100% correct, it is one outlet’s perception on a event, that is then sold to the mainstream outlets. My friend works for an agency who does just that.
Had to comment, Kate2. Reading through these posts (God knows why) is astonishing. Thank you for your common sense and fully intelligent posts.
@Hotpockets –
You posted a “theory” as your personal belief. Let me refresh your memory:
“I definitely think population control is a real agenda that is carried out discretely through manipulated wars, world tension and disease.”
Theories are meant to be studied so they can be proven. And you held up the Georgia Guidestones as evidence of this theory being true, like that’s supposed to be convincing. I’m sorry, they mean zero as far as proof. You literally may as well have pointed to a merry-go-round. You have no idea who put up those stones or why. But yet you’re directing people to Google them to back up your belief. You’re entitled to your beliefs. I believe in ghosts. But I don’t tell people to Google Fenway Park as proof of their existence.
And I didn’t know Plato personally, but I’m 100% sure he wasn’t telling people to believe whatever bullsh-t theory comes down the pike (with no evidence) when he wrote about seeing the light. “Asking questions” doesn’t mean “believe nothing”. Its fine to take things with a grain of salt and to assume that there’s an agenda behind some media reporting (hello, Fox). That’s healthy skepticism. But to take that to the extreme where you believe everyone is out to get you is where you’re losing grip with reality. I can’t take people who think that way seriously and I feel compelled to tell them why their BS theories make no sense. The other problem I have with that way of thinking is that there are many instances where its flat out dangerous (hello anti-vaxxers). So I have no patience and no tolerance for this.
Thanks, Ruffian… 🙂
@hotpockets People like you who spread their ignorance and scare people make me sick. Fluroidated water is one of the most successful public health interventions in history. It’s meant to reduce the caries seen running rampant in our society. Caries is one of the most widespread diseases in the world, and fluoridated water has made a huge impact in reducing this. Fluoride in small doses (like what’s put in the water) will not harm you. But go ahead and drink unfluoridated water and use unfluoridated toothpaste… enjoy tooth decay.
If I lost a family member to Ebola, I would NOT appreciate dead above the neck comments related to population control. It is insensitive as hell and I would not look to Chris Brown for any damn insights on life. Not every opinion should be expressed on social networking sites and his “insights” are horribly disrespectful to those suffering. Is beating women his version of population control, eh. Meanwhile, Iggy needs to understand the fame game. Hopefully her fifteen minutes will soon expire and no one will care enough to photograph her doing much of anything. Detestable human beings!!!
Agreed 100% with every word.
I don’t blame her. I wouldn’t wish Ebola on anyone, but people who choose to stalk and harass for a living aren’t exactly well placed to object to blowback.
And Chris Brown is infinitely worse than the paparazzi.
Who’s Chris Brown?
I know that governments (including the US govt) play around with bio weapons, which is incredibly stupid as well as horribly immoral. A weapon that can reproduce itself and infect the one who wields it, yeah, that’s smart. It’s a very old idea regardless.
But in this case, it’s a messy, high mortality, and rapidly mutating disease with a non-human carrier used as food- fruit bats), and today with rapid travel possible it’s more likely just another epidemic that hits various species periodically. Developing a vaccine for such a disease can be quite difficult and hazardous, and vaccines are not absolute protection. The rapid mutation makes a vaccination approach even more difficult. In a higher tech society, identification and isolation of cases would be difficult but much easier than in the geographical area affected.
My guess is that it wasn’t recognized how often the disease would continue to recur and how rapidly it mutated in the 70s. We have much better tools to at least study such things now. So lack of development of a vaccine in the 70s was probably a combination of inability to effectively study and develop a vaccine and also priorities- gruesome though Ebola is, it is only one of many diseases that afflict many more people.
I can only speak from my own perspective but here goes.
The issue so many in African countries face is our own government is not on our side.
People like Chris, and sadly some commenters here, misunderstand the situation by putting the entire focus on the response from the US and other regions without thinking about what people are doing here.
Do people realize that when young women were kidnapped by Boko Haram the President of Nigeria’s wife scoffingly called the whole thing a hoax? That for many the media representation of Ebola has been that it is nothing more than Malaria and that the ill have been forcibly dragged from hospitals?
So many say, “Oh we only cared when it effected an American.” When truthfully the African govt. did not give a damn when it was effecting Africans and had been doing its best to shut down any intervention.
It is only when an American was infected (and when the US had room to intervene based one of it’s citizens becoming infected) that any positive movement was made and even still the African govt. resists .
It is exceedingly difficult to live somewhere where those in power do not care about their people but merely about living well themselves and flaunting what little they have in the US.
It also disturbs me how casually many mention ‘the earth fighting back’ by killing Africans and yet…the Earth doesn’t fight back by killing Americans. How odd…when so much of the pollution, land development, and damage is done by Americans. Well I suppose the Earth is simply doing what it can to get those pesky black people.
So many like Chris mock the horror and reality of these tragic situations by ascribing conspiracy to them. It would be akin to those who said the tragedy of Newton was about passing gun laws. It ignores the pain those suffering truly feel and how badly their govt. and media fails them, leaving them in a state of vulnerability and ignorance.
You do know Africa isn’t a government, right? It’s a continent. Really ruined your entire comment.
I addressed it as a singular govt. because in spite of there being multiple different governments none of them are effectively addressing issues of the people. This ineffectiveness has made a monolith of failure.
I thought that would be clear from an initial reading, perhaps not.
Lord some of these comments…
Do you know what else is a conspiracy? Shoes.
Think about it…everyone has to buy shoes but do we really need them? Didn’t we all just use to walk barefoot and life was just fine?
All these…sidewalks and…concrete…what have they changed? Everything is still the same but because these things were created to ‘help us’ suddenly we all need shoes to help our feet deal with this tough uncomfortable material that’s everywhere.
Shoes people . Follow the clues.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Morons. Both of them.