Duchess Kate ‘is rarely by William’s side when he socializes’ with his lady friends?


Many people have noted over the past few years (and beyond) that Duchess Kate and Prince William largely live separate lives. They spend special occasions together, they do some royal work together, they sometimes vacation together, but they can easily go weeks, perhaps even a month, without seeing each other. William is off doing his thing with his “studies” (or whatever he’s doing now?) and Kate shops, decorates, stays at her mom’s house or at Anmer Hall while William stays in London (or vice versa, William stays at Anmer while Kate is in London). This is very much an old-school royal marriage – William gets to do what he wants as long as he’s discreet and Kate raises the children (with the help of nannies and extensive staff) and has a lot of free time to shop and pamper herself. A lot of aristocratic and upper-class marriages work this way, and it’s fine. Whatever works for them – although don’t try to sell me the “fairy tale” of their incredible love story, you know?

My theory has always been that William controls this aspect of their marital arrangement – if he wanted to spend more time with his wife, he would. But he wants to spend time away from her, so he does and Kate doesn’t get much of a say in it. My thought is that everything is simply done to William’s specifications – if Kate does not attend an event, it’s because William doesn’t want her there. But The Daily Mail is now trying to make it sound like Kate has made the choice to avoid any social situations involving certain hard-partying friends of William.

The Duchess of Cambridge’s absence from a number of key social occasions – leaving her husband William to attend alone – is raising eyebrows among high society friends, I can reveal. A few have even suggested she is trying to avoid some of William’s friends, particularly those who are a little too fond of partying.

In total, Kate – who was with William in the US last week – has been absent from her husband’s side at eight major occasions, including four weddings and two holidays in the past year. She also missed the christening earlier this month of Zara Phillips’s daughter Mia. When I asked Palace aides why the Duchess missed the baptism, they did not blame a recurrence of Kate’s acute morning sickness, but nor could they provide a reason. Kate was seen shopping in Norfolk three days beforehand. She was also pictured shopping on the day William’s closest friend Tom van Straubenzee married Lady Melissa Percy, the Duke of Northumberland’s daughter, last year. William was Tom’s best man.

In May, Kate remained in Britain as William’s pal Guy Pelly tied the knot with socialite Lizzy Wilson in Memphis and, recently, the Duchess missed a charity carol concert in honour of her husband’s late friend Henry van Straubenzee. Both William and Prince Harry gave addresses, while her sister Pippa was among the 800-strong congregation.

A source tells me: ‘People have noticed she’s rarely by William’s side when he socialises – it gives the impression she wants to avoid some of his friends.’

Another chum added: ‘It would be nice if Kate was out and about a bit more with William’s friends because some of them don’t know her very well at all. She doesn’t like drunken behaviour, but some of them like to party. One drunken incident recently put her off one of William’s close female friends, and Kate wasn’t afraid to let her know she disapproved of her sloppy behaviour.’

Before they married, Kate, 32 – who is five months pregnant – rarely missed a chance to be by the Prince’s side at major events. She does, of course, have to take care of Prince George these days – though utterly delightful, I’m told he can, like most toddlers, be something of a handful. I also gather there are days when Kate is relieved she has a nanny and her mother Carole on hand.

[From The Daily Mail]

Ha, I love this: “One drunken incident recently put her off one of William’s close female friends, and Kate wasn’t afraid to let her know she disapproved of her sloppy behaviour.” God, I would love to know which of William’s “close female friends” was a drunk, sloppy mess and I would love to know what Kate said to the drunken trollop. You think it was Jecca Craig? Cough. Anyway, I think Kate probably is a tight-ass and a wet blanket for William’s fun times, but I kind of doubt she’s the one avoiding William’s friends. It’s more like William asks her to stay home so he can enjoy himself. It’s funny to me that no one asks William why he doesn’t avoid his hard-partying friends, you know?



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  1. Talie says:

    I’m sorry, but I don’t buy that William is some kind of Don Juan.

    Does it all go back to Gone Girl? She was the Cool Girl, always by his side — Kate never missed *anything*. That was what he wanted. Now that she has her tiara, why should she have to hang with people who made fun of her mother’s stewardess past and treated her badly? She played the game and won.

    • Iknowwhatboyslike says:

      I completely agree that Kate played the “cool girl” perfectly and now that she is married, she’s like “F-you and your friends.” She played interesting for a decade, hung around with his friends, made him feel like a “king”. But now, I’m afraid she has created a monster. He will never be the doting husband and father. But she is living my dream. Sit on my ass all day unless it’s to shop, get a mani/pedi or eat.

      • someonestolemyname says:

        Kate should remember “you meet the same people on the way up, that you do on the way down”….

        She may think she’s untouchable and will never be divorced, but the same was said about royal wives with far more power than Kate.

      • Pippa Mids says:

        Spot on who is kidding who – Waity and ma carole better know they are not indispensible.. Doolitle ma carole middleton better know their place as common compare to the aristo titled P Will friends .

        Do Waity only show at Scouts appearance/volunteer- when she is with a bump’ ….it seems the last time she showed she was with PG bump. Then she missed the following /monthsyear in maternity leave/mystique vacation, Next week is the new bump turn with the routine – …on and on.

    • HH says:

      I don’t think that’s the case, particularly since Pippa was present a a number of these occasions. It may not necessarily be a class issue, but perhaps an issue of not liking Kate (and vice versa).

      • Kiki04 says:

        That. I personally think that they probably don’t like Kate and don’t want her around. I’ll be honest, I’m not sure I’d want her around – she seems like a bore, and would probably come to my wedding in a pink coat to take all the attention…

      • Jen says:

        Yeah but Pippa hasn’t gotten her golden goose yet, so she has to play the game.

      • HH says:

        But the Middletons are not playing any “game.” They want to be a part of the aristocratic circles. Period. The children of Kate, Pippa, and James will all be raised in the same schools and going to the same social events with children of these people they supposedly despise. They will be organizing play dates and parties together in the future. The Middletons are not bringing down the system; they are reinforcing it. Placing importance on status and titles, hence the social climbing. I’m not saying that it’s awful of them to want a better life, but let’s not paint them as being normal and wanting to be different. The Middletons have wanted nothing more than to “fit in” with this crowd.

      • notasugarhere says:

        ” I’m not saying that it’s awful of them to want a better life” Yes, the Middleton family are the ones who decided that “a better life” is one which must involve acceptance by aristos. Not teaching your kids a work ethic. Not doing charity work. Not running your company ethically along the lines of Tom’s shoes. Not flying around the world visiting museums and learning about the other 7 billion on the planet. Just desperately trying to fit in with aristos. That is not my definition of a better life.

      • HH says:

        @notasugar- I don’t agree with their definition of a better life entirely, but, I do understand that in British society doors open for the aristocracy. Money only gets one so far in Europe on the whole as I understand. Please let me know if that’s a misconception.

      • Megan says:

        Nota – If you want to point to an ethical company, don’t point to Tom’s Shoes. 50% of its ownership is held by Bain Capital and the efficacy of their show donations has yet to be proven. What Tom’s has is an excellent marketing hook that is especially appealing to millennials.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Not Europe as a whole, rather England where classicism is very much alive. In my country the aristocracy is pretty much irrelevant outside of the tabloids and the royal circles. Then again the whole boarding/private school (and posh universities) thing isn’t very big in my country. In terms of opening doors, I don’t know what it is like in England, but where I live it is professional connections that count, not who your parents are – even in the art world where I belong.
        In the end it is completely contingent on the professional and social circles you run in, at least in Denmark where I’m from.

    • notasugarhere says:

      There is no such thing as “winning” when you’re in an unhappy marriage of unequal partners. If she doesn’t keep William happy, he will divorce her. She was his fall back, his guilt-ridden comfort zone, his last resort. He won’t divorce her until he falls in love with someone else, but if he does, she’s history.

      Yes, she will end up with a comfortable country home and never have to work — since she never has. Socially she’d be a pariah, still papped all the time, and the taxpaying-public would question any funds used for her upkeep when the kids aren’t there (away at boarding school). If her upkeep has to come out of William’s pocket, you’ll see a huge reduction in her lifestyle. See Fergie as an example.

      • Lyssa says:

        OMG! She’ll be Catherine of Aragorn.

      • Talie says:

        notasugarhere — C’mon, William will never divorce her. He knows it would be a disaster and honestly, I’m all for reading the drama… but these two don’t seem unhappy. Stiff, yes, but not unhappy.

      • LAK says:

        I don’t think they’ll divorce…….unless William falls in love.

        I see a separation ala the Kents.

      • notasugarhere says:

        “I don’t think they’ll divorce…….unless William falls in love. ” Yes, LAK. If William falls in love, KM will be shown the door. She’ll have a comfortable life, because he feels he owes her that, but she’ll be out the door. Once the kids are away 10 month of the year, the taxpayers will question the cost of security at her luxury homes and on her many vacations. More questions about taxpayer funding spent securing Middleton family properties will be asked publicly. If William has to pay for it out of his own money, her lifestyle becomes even smaller very quickly – particularly if he remarries.

      • FLORC says:

        The only way they’ll divorce would be if Kate or the Middletons somehow publicly shame themselves and those with direct connections to them.
        Kate an William already live seperate lives. He can go as he pleases. If gone too long we hear about it through leaks of where William is and who he’s with. (Jecca hunting or Guy’s only party while Kate had Noro Virus).
        She knows how to get that time with him when she wants.

        Now if William was made to look bad by his inlaws or wife there’s a way out. A scandal that can’t be buried. Until then their arrangement is working fine.

      • notasugarhere says:

        FLORC, I think they’d have to shame William himself for him to divorce her (if he doesn’t fall in love and leave her for someone else). He doesn’t care how badly these folks make the BRF look — he wants the BRF to look bad. It would only be if they did something that destroyed HIS pride and reputation that he’d walk out on the Middleton family.

      • lunchcoma says:

        I don’t think William would get a divorce if he fell in love. Nothing about him suggests he’s a romantic or a risk-taker. Assuming the woman reciprocated his feelings (and with William’s history, I think it’s fair to speculate she might not), she’d get the mistress job for awhile.

        Unlike his father, William found a woman who willing to sign on for the kind of life he could and wanted to offer her. As far as I can tell, they’re both satisfied with their arrangement, and I can’t imagine him throwing that away to take a chance on someone who might not be so cooperative.

      • LadySlippers says:

        I don’t think that William and Kate will divorce either. Kate’s not a rock-the-boat kinda person and William is very tightly controlled. And arrangement like the Kents is more their style.

      • FLORC says:

        That is the point I was going for. Shaming William. Even if he’s shamed by association. Like the Midds pulled a Fergie and were caught selling time with William for cash. There could go 2 ways. It could be swept under the rug or blow up in the press. My thoughts are it would blow up if William continues to jerk the press around as he does.
        As it is William has found a woman who has stuck by him when others have run for the hills. Why should he change his behavior of having so much time away from his wife? And any woman he takes up with knows better than to go public. Maybe in time she’d be accepted, but it would be hell until then. Especially when they can have eachother and Kate can have her positio without the blowback.

      • someonestolemyname says:

        I have always seen Kate as William’s First wife.
        I’m in the minority here, But I DO think they will D-I-V-O-R-C-E and it will shock the h3ll out of everyone.

        Divorce is coming IMO, it may take a decade but I don’t see this as William’s only marriage.
        I laugh when people actually think William won’t divorce her.

        Kate will be gone if William ever wants out, she has way less power than Diana had.

      • Bridget says:

        No one’s saying that they’re the love affair of the century, but William most definitely took his tTim before he and Kate married and the other ladies certainly weren’t interested. He needs a wife, no question, and if he couldn’t find anyone else that was interested in taking on the pressure and the scrutiny of being his wife, I can’t imagine that it would be highly likely that he would find one willing to take on the public role of ‘homewrecker’ (for lack of a better word).

        He and Kate have always been like this. He does what he wants and she’s there when he’s ready to come back.

      • someonestolemyname says:

        Notsugarhere….I totally agree with you.

        I think William will divorce Kate one day and it will shock the public. I have never seen this marriage as a permanent one.

      • Pippa Mids says:

        Notasug/Talia thread

        P wills haven’t learn anything from his parents- I doubt HMs placed any timetable for PW heir especially for such a wife knowing what the RF been through. If PW is fulfilling the line – he is contradicting his cry from the monarchy service and duty to HM GB UK CW.

        P Harry is very. CApable to be monarch even more than Wills.

        So this phoney and farce of a marriage, allowing carole and the middletons manipulating his proposal is really weak!

        Waity is teed she is excluded; this is how. her and carole started the PR about PW P Harry drinking and partying and Wills friends.

      • FLORC says:

        Manipulate his roposal? You need to explain that 1. Most of this makes no sense.

    • Jackie Jormp Jomp says:

      Is it bad form to wear pink to a wedding now? Because attention?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Hot Barbie Look at Me pink? Yes, bad form. Pink so light it mimics white? Yes, bad form. But if you wanted to wear a nice medium rose color, no I don’t think that’s poor etiquette. Other opinions?

      • FLORC says:

        You never wear red or white to anothers wedding. The reasons why carry over to bright and bold pink of Kate’s coat. It’s because those colors are reserved for the bride. It’s her day and no eye catching attention stealing colors should be worn. Same with cuts and styles. No super high hems and no low neck cuts.
        There are to be no distractions from the bride.
        That color pink is an eye catcher to say the least. Why it was worn to ground zero I will never understand.

      • Feeshalori says:

        I’m still shaking my head over that ill-advised decision, FLORC. The one day out of the entire trip she decides to wear a bright, bright color, that was the one.

      • FLORC says:

        That she was approved by her team to step out to the greatest scale tragedy on US soil in our generation? That’s the day she wears pink when her wardrobe was almost entirely black, white, and shades of gray? It’s the stark contrast that highlights it.

      • Kiki04 says:

        Not necessarily the color, but she’d pull something like she did at the 9/11 memorial (sorry I thought it was gaudy)- wear something that totally shows she’s the center of it all, not the bride. Lets be honest, I could see her do it, especially if she hated the bride.

      • Hazel says:

        And now she’s worn black to a wedding (see the Daily Express).

    • Megan says:

      More BRF fan fiction. It’s more boring than most of Kate’s dresses.

      • LadySlippers says:


        So what do you think about it? I’m honestly curious (no snark either).

      • Megan says:

        I think pretty much any gossip in the DM is fan fiction. As for WK, they looked pretty loved up in NYC but that isn’t going to sell papers. Is the DM taking a swipe at William by suggesting his friends are drunks, or are they taking a swipe at Kate for being boring? Either way, it’s such a nonstory.

      • wolfpup says:

        Kiki – she did. She wore scarlet red to a friends wedding shortly after her own wedding. She looked great – but I wondered if she was showing us the sheets.

    • someonestolemyname says:

      Guess who must be reading the papers…..Suddenly Kate and William went to a wedding together this weekend and the press is there to cover it.

      P.S. I still think this marriage was destined for failure since 2007.
      I think it will end in DIVORCE.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Are we sure the American PR guy doesn’t start until January?

      • LadySlippers says:


        Yes. I posted a link yesterday that stated the PR guy starts in Jan 2015.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Just because the PR guys official start date is not until Jan….does not mean that he is already advising them now, which I believe he is. jMO

        Kate and William went to a wedding of one of Kate’s friends near the Midds former Berkshire home. William looked like he was dragged there for publicity. Prince William looks miserable.

        ………and guess which favorite paparazzi-photog happened to be there on the scene of this private friends wedding to catch Kate and William going in…….you know who, Tanna!

      • notasugarhere says:

        Tanna got the exclusive? Middletons had to make sure the loving couple was captured.

    • someonestolemyname says:

      I want to know who was the girl was Kate had words with.

  2. Allie says:

    It would be one thing if they were younger, then I would call Kate a wet blanket. But come on, Will is in his thirties. It’s ok to let off steam once in a while, but to go partying as frequently as a college kid? I’d side eye his sloppy friends too if I was Kate. I’m sure both his male and female friends are nothing to write home about.

    • joy says:

      Agreed. My husband has a couple of friends who I avoid because 2 beers in they’re loud and annoying and they make feel stabby. They get to have fun, and I get to avoid prison time by avoiding them.

    • ShazBot says:

      Those wealthy, bratty aristocratic friends of his are his basis for “normal”!!! Be rich, have fun and no responsibility. That’s his ideal, and whenever he talks about being “normal” that’s what he means. Not real normal how the rest of us live.

      • MCraw says:

        Good observation.

      • HH says:

        I have no doubt that his friends can be snobby, however lest we forget the Middletons not only spent their time and money trying to break into these circles, but Kate, Pippa, and James didn’t and don’t spend their lives doing anything better. I’m just not quick to paint this as a class issue since Harry’s ex Chelsy is very much a part of that circle. She is very much “new money”.

      • Megan says:

        ShazBot – yep, you hit the nail on the head.

      • CynicalCeleste says:

        @ShazBot – This exactly.

    • MooHoo says:

      Agree. and can u imagine having to hang out with all those drunken hoorah henrys and snotty aristos who look down their noses at u as they think you are below them on the social ladder. don’t blame kate a bit for staying away. I pity her.

    • notasugarhere says:

      They’re talking about her absence from weddings and christenings, not frat parties.

      • FLORC says:

        But Nota.
        It’s much easier to defend her absence from frat style parties than social gatherings where she wouldn’t miss out on before.

        I think she knows what goes in and has either stepped aside making peace with William’s behavior. Or William has laid down the rules that this is what he’s going to do.

      • Megan says:

        With regard to family and social events, my husband and I constantly ask each other, “what’s my obligation here?” Meaning, I don’t want to go but will if you think it is imperative. If it isn’t imperative the other is free to go off and do their thing without any hard feelings or guilt.

      • notasugarhere says:

        What is odd is that she’d been going to every one of these events for a decade – until now. All through the dating period and the first couple years of marriage. Why stop now?

      • Feeshalori says:

        Kate could have stopped going because she’s got the prize and feels she doesn’t have to make the effort any more, but in her position I’d think she still has to tread cautiously when dealing with William. But maybe he’s just as happy that she doesn’t attend these social gatherings either. However, if she’s not there to side eye and prevent any woman from hooking up with William, there’s a greater tendency he could stray. But whether she’s there or not, it’ll happen if it’s inevitable. How exhausting and sad.

      • Dena says:

        Lord knows I don’t have sympathy or even empathy for either of them but perhaps it’s come to this . . . The invites comes in and she says:

        A. “No, William, I don’t want to go. They are really your and Harry’s friends, do tottle off and have a grand ole time.”

        B. No, William, I don’t want to go. They always laugh at me. They don’t talk to me or they only talk about things I don’t know about or they make me the brunt of their jokes. It’s humiliating. I won’t go. I shan’t.

        C. Catherine, why don’t u have a lie-in, huh. I know how u hate these things and Harry will be there, so it will be fine.

        D. Wiilliam to his handlers: Kate knows the score. She ain’t brand new. If she didn’t know how this was going work from Day 1, she knows now. One has to start as one means to go on and finish. Tell her to try and not be papped for the love of God as she is out and about spending the Crown’s money. Oh, and I’ll see her next week–maybe.

      • FLORC says:

        Just speaking of personal experiences here.
        My husband and I are on the same page. If he doesn’t want to go I likely also don’t want to. It’s up to the person that has the greater connection to the event. His side or my side. If I said I wanted him there that’s what we did.

        Back to the case at hand. Kate and William appeared to act the same. That they were on the same page with events and Kate was very happy to attend. And not always to watch William. Just to go.

      • Bella bella says:

        Everyone seems to have forgotten that this woman is a new mom. Maybe she prefers to stay at home and spend time with her kid and have fun with him while he’s young than do “obligatory” events. I say she gets a pass.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She attended weddings after PGTips was born, she has just stopped recently. She dumps him on the nanny frequently, caught shopping several times a week. She has no problem leaving PGTips with the nanny when the mood strikes.

      • FLORC says:

        Even during the time when Kate was said to not work because she couldn’t leave George’s side she was caught out shopping or at beaty salons for whole days. And when she wasn’t seen there George was seen out with his nanny. Some photos were printed and others made it only as far as twitter. This new mom angle was debunked from the start. She had no issue leaving him for great lengths of time.
        And that’s fine! Mom’s need to keep their sanity. I get that. Just don’t play up the devoted mom never leaving their baby alone angle.

  3. Loopy says:

    She seems like such a stepford wife, I wonder if deep down she is happy.

    • Sara says:

      its not like she was tricked into this. she knew full well of everything and hunted the pale whale for years.

    • lunchcoma says:

      To the extent she might be unhappy, I suspect her complaints would be that she finds royal work a bore or resents attempts to tell her and William what to do. I think she’s pretty happy with him, his money and lifestyle, her level of fame, and the arrangement they have.

    • Sunny says:

      I think she is happy. She signed on for this life with her eyes wide open. She waited, played the game, and schemed to get into his circle and “land him”. She lives a life that consists of shopping, decorating, raising her son, and some minimal charity work. I think it works for her/them.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think there is some affection between them but I believe she loves the position just as much as the man and he loves having a wife who puts up with his crap and can follow royal protocol.

  4. Iknowwhatboyslike says:

    Kate isn’t aging well. She looks like she’s a good 40 in some of the pictures I’ve seen. I hate to be one of those people, but she must be having a girl. I thought the pregnancy weight would make her look a little better. As for the article, if this is the case, William is an asshole. End of story.

    • someonestolemyname says:

      And Kate is just as much a Ass, She pursued that Asshole for ten years until he married her.

  5. HH says:

    On some of these occasions I don’t think it would be appropriate to ask Kate to stay home, such as the baptism and charity carol concert. I don’t think we can blame this one on William, especially because it seems that the main reason Kate went during their dating years was to keep an eye on him and any other females. At other times I can Will asking her to stay home, such as the Pelly wedding or a hunting trip with his friends… and Jecca. ;)

    • Sharon Lea says:

      HH – those are the two events that stuck out to me too, the benefit for their friend and Zara/Mia’s christening. The church service would only last an hour, it wasn’t an all day thing. Zara is George’s godmother. Wonder if any of the press will be able to tell us more or if they are all on lock down.

    • ElleRob says:

      I thought the excuse given for Kate’s missing the christening is that it would draw unwanted media attention to a private family event? Which is partially true, mostly because she appears so rarely in public people want to see her.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The christening was a private, secret event. It took place many months after Mia was born. Very few photographers or reporters found out about it, or had time to get there to take pictures. If KM had been welcome there, they would have had her there.

      • Sharon Lea says:

        Elle – I heard that too, but find it unbelievable. If William, who is heir to the throne doesn’t detract from Mia’s big day, Kate certainly wouldn’t.

  6. Sixer says:

    I was thinking the other day, I wonder if William thinks marrying the Waity (since no one else would touch him with a bargepole) and producing the heir and spare is, well, DUTY DONE. I wonder if, in his mind, that’s the Royal responsibility and now he’s fulfilled it, there’s no need to bother with the other fripperies. You know, like a life of service in return for ridiculous wealth and privilege?

    • LAK says:

      I remain eternally disappointed by William’s romantic life, but then again in my experience, most people who grew up in the kind of emotional mess he grew up in, try to do better for themselves.

      To borrow from Jen Aniston, William seems to have a chip missing.

    • BrownBelle says:

      I once read a book, written by an aristo/someone who ran in circles with aristos, about the Queen Mother. In it, she said the “marriage rule of thumb” for that set is: no affairs until a baby comes, then once that “duty” is over, anything goes. As such, I think you’re on to something here.

      • FLORC says:

        As long as there’s discretion though.
        If William had a side piece that Kate did not approve of she could out that piece.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        That rule was only for the ladies – it wouldn’t do to have doubts about the paternity of the heirs.

      • FLORC says:

        But isn’t it that after Kate delivers the spare she can play. As long as se doesn’t get pregnant with anothers child and keeps it descreet?

      • wolfpup says:

        That’s what ended it for Diana. She could never approve of the second woman, right from the beginning, on her honeymoon.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Yep. In this sort of thinking the most important thing is that there should be absolutely no question about the paternity of the heir – we can’t have a little cuckoo inheriting the family title *tsk tsk*.

        Of course, such thinking is the product of a deeply patriarchy society and a time when marriage was social, economical and political arrangement and not about love.

  7. LAK says:

    She bait and switched him. Now they both have the lives they want.

    The only unpleasant aspect of their lives together is pesky public demanding they work for their privileges.

    Otherwise, all is good.

    • MCraw says:

      What was the bait and switch? I thought it was always obvious that she wanted to marry him and “be a princess”… And pretty much do nothing like she did thru the whole waity phase.

      • LAK says:

        McCraw: I think people look at the bigger picture of her waiting and not see the details of how she made herself over to appear to be what he wanted/needed.

        Slowly, she rejecting all the things that were her selling points as far as he was concerned starting with his friends that she couldn’t wait to drop her own for.

        It’s interesting to go back and watch their engagement interview.

        Most of it, he talks about making her wait because he wanted her to be prepared and know what she was getting into, but with hindsight, he sounds like he was persuaded that she was prepared and knew what she was getting into. As we all know, based upon her public record, that was not true at all.

        And of course there are instances where she was proving a point to him as opposed to what we were seeing eg the media tour 2007 was not simply about getting him back, but also showing him that she was as wild as the girls he likes.

        For the record, I don’t think she’s wild at all, but for those 2-3months, she was for him.

      • BrownBelle says:

        LAK: I agree with you. I recently went back and watched the engagement interview. And all I saw was a woman who wanted her name in history books, and a guy who was glad/relieved he found someone who was in it for the “history”, not “the love.”

        Now, is that a bad thing? In my book, no. What is incredibly irritating is the fairy tale they feed the public. THAT is annoying.

    • Pippa Mids says:

      Notasug 1250. Most threads

      Waity is “so at the door-’ I waiting to be closed. His friends even put her out – Pippa is there spying on Will and looking for her Title.

      PWills PHarry are no drunks and partying hard. That carole PR (we would have lots of photo if this was the case). Wills is away from ma carole middleton – con artist, and Waity leading his life at his dad home and his love, and around his friends.
      Waity may have started with studies, and best intentions for career, with her plain jane teenage look. Ma carole changed all that-royal wife is better. Sad as now her daughter. Will pay and carole is to but off.

      IWaity seem seem shy homebody (then – there are paps of Waity. With Pippa leading and pulling Waity along to partying/ events that Will was at).

      Waity may want to discontinue as not mature For the royals (realize she is over her head.and the royals want carole to butt off). Leaving Waity in tthe farce hence, the separation at buckleberry. …very sad as ma carole only. enforce the original plan – Will be interesting to see the end.

  8. aims says:

    I think that’s interesting. I do think they have an agreement.

    My husband went over to his cousins house yesterday, for several hours. Which was fine, but he knew not to ask me to come with him, because i cannot stand the guy. My point is; i think it’s healthy to not be all over each other in a marriage. You need your space.

  9. Justpassingby says:

    Neither of them really looks happy… and it’s been years since they have not looked like they are having any fun at all!

  10. Cupcake says:

    They’re in their thirties, parents to a toddler with another one on the way, and they’ve been a couple for what, 10-12 years now? This is not the fairytale time in a relationship. I think they are making investigated they do not seem the least bit unhappy to me. Sometimes you do just have to ignore your partner’s bad habits.

    • writeitoff says:

      Well said!

      • Caroline says:

        I agree with this. I think they seem to be happy and who knows but the two people concerned, what goes on in a marriage?

        Someone said earlier they are apart for weeks at a time, sometimes as much as a month. Apart from when William has been away to do with his job, when has this happened? Please give dates and where they each were. I should love to know.

  11. Sheena says:

    And yet he found time to impregnate her.

    • Betti says:

      Exactly! This is a marriage of convenience as both have the lives they want. We all know why she married him (and put up with a LOT of BS from him) and he married her as she was the only woman who would put up with him and his ‘behaviour’ – none of the others would.

    • FLORC says:

      That was their duty. As someone here said before. Lay back and think of England. Now if they have a 3rd child it’ll be because they wanted to and not out of duty.

      • Caroline says:

        They will have a third child. Mark my words!

      • FLORC says:

        William has stated he only wants 2. If there’s a 3rd he’s changed his mind that’s been set for quite a long time.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        It is actually very common that people want the same number of children as there were in their own family. A friend of mine who’s the youngest of 5 children told me that one of her professors did a little experiment one day: he told them to write down how many children they would like to have, then he asked how many siblings they had. For the majority of the students the numbers matched.

  12. COSquared says:

    I’m rolling my eyes at the “perhaps even a month”. Are they apart for days at a time? I think so. But really, some royal watchers(pro-Cam and anti-Cam) tend to exagerrate their situation.

    • LAK says:

      You are right, but occasionally truth is stranger than fiction especially when it comes straight from the horse’s mouth eg Kate told a NZ single mother that William had not been present during PGtips’s first few months and she’d ‘simply had to cope’.

      Meanwhile their PR was painting a picture of cosy family togetherness.

      Their relationship appears to work *because* of these separations. Right from the beginning, apart from other issues, one of the constants as told to friends and strangers, was a theme of his feeling suffocated by the relationship. I think being separately together for days, weeks, months even though they don’t have to, is what keeps them together. And they came to that arrangement after the 2007 break up.

    • someonestolemyname says:

      I will never see any couple as golden as their pr tries to paint them and that includes this supposed wonderful marriage of William and Kate’s.
      Been there too many times believing the pr ,only ten years down the road to wake up one morning and hear SPLIT!

  13. Kori says:

    I think it’s fine for them to have their own friends. Plus if Williams’s friends were as dicky to her as reports say–especially mocking her middle class roots–I wouldn’t want to hang around with them either. In a regular marriage, one may expect a spouse to cut ties with people who dismissed their partner like that. But royal marriages aren’t regular ones. They are so insular and the friendships rather inbred. So if the friends aren’t going anywhere, I’d keep my distance as well. Then everyone is happy. Charles’s friends were much the same–mocking Diana’s lack of interest in things they found interesting, her intellectual curiosity, lack of interest in country pursuits,etc…She didn’t distance herself sooner but tried to include herself only to find out that they were knowledgable about Charles and Camilla and that when push came to shove, they were his friends not their friends. Since many of Williams’s friends’ families have ties of family & friendship (particularly the Straubanzees,Westminster clan and vanCutsems) going back generations, they aren’t going anywhere. I think William and Kate found a marital balance that works.

    • COSquared says:

      True. Why would one hang out people who mock them?

      • Kori says:

        Especially if you don’t want a ‘they go or I go’ situation. They aren’t going anywhere.

        While some of the bunch does good work, for the most part the crowd the young royals (William, Harry, Eugenie and Beatrice) hang out with seem pretty unlikable and rather unaccomplished given their wealth, education and backgrounds. There’s a lot of shallowness going on there, with exceptions like Edwina Grosvenor. They may have some fun times–vacations and they like–but they don’t seem very likable at all–or kind to those who ‘don’t belong’.

      • HH says:

        “seem pretty unlikable and rather unaccomplished given their wealth, education and backgrounds.” – I think this could be applied to the Middleton children as well. Michael and Carol are to be admired for their business sense. I wouldn’t extend that to Kate, Pippa, or James.

      • COSquared says:

        Really, I don’t get why folks seem to think her getting Windsor’s Aristo Chums approval. The people they hang out aren’t super influential aristos. Charles friends were/are way different these layabouts.

      • COSquared says:

        @HH. Uncle Gary?

      • someonestolemyname says:

        The general statement that most the Aristocrats are unlikable seems predjudice. IMO
        The people William and Harry are friends with have charities, that they are involved in and have been for years, they don’t just sit and do nothing and many of the girls William was friends with have great positions in companies, museums, auction houses, public relations or have started their own companies.

        If anything Kate was one of the laziest women.

        Kate sure did chase these Aristocratic parties and events when she was trying to get the ring on her finger. She is just a phony. IMO. She has dropped just about every friend on her way to getting William.

        I think she’s simply an opportunist who played the game and caught the big fish.
        Kate should remember …one meets the same people on the way up, that they do on the way DOWN.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Yet we had all those stories about how they were impatient to move to Anmer Hall, to a life of leisure in the fresh country air, to hang out with all of their monied friends in Norfolk, fitting in like hands in gloves. Gosh, was that PR spin?

      “Kate wasn’t afraid to let her know she disapproved of her sloppy behaviour.”


      They both spent the majority of their twenties falling drunk out of clubs, it isn’t like she’s a stranger to partying. Kate Middleton is not attending things like christenings and weddings, not weekend boozing parties. She isn’t there because he doesn’t want her there. Whatever William wants, she does.

      • wolfpup says:

        If she is not attending weddings and christenings, and she is out for papping during these events, there are obviously control issues. Diana did this kind of thing to vent. Palatial rooms can’t be the payoff for Kate, because without love, those rooms are frosty! Babies can’t converse, she is not on equal footing with the staff, she has no friends, and who’s mommy can be all that to a mature woman? Expectations and demands, are the golden arena of the newly married. They differ in backgrounds, so methinks it will be Kate’s dreams out in the cold.

      • The Original Mia says:

        Kate drank like a fish. She was right there with William, falling into and out of cabs, drunk off her gourd. Now, there is spec that she only became a heavy drinker to keep up with William after their last big breakup, but who knows? She’s no stranger to the bottle, and as William so eloquently stated at the St. Andrews’ fundraiser last week, you either graduate from there an alcoholic or married.

        And it is strange that she was at every society wedding prior to their marriage and before George’s birth, but nothing since. She’s not even going to weddings of her friends (the few she has). Nothing explains Mia’s christening. Even if she was sick, she’s managed to do whatever she wants, when she wants it. She could have come to the church. She either wasn’t invited or was invited, but urged to stay home because William wanted to enjoy himself with his family.

        IMO, living a largely separate life from my spouse is ridiculous. Why get married? But…that’s what Kate signed up for, and that’s what she accepts.

      • Luciana says:

        hahaha the 2nd photo is making my day!!!

      • someonestolemyname says:

        I agree, notsugarhere.

        I also remember many photos of Kate looking drunk or close to it.
        The two you posted are spot on. LOL

  14. Ginger says:

    My ex and I had a marriage much like this. It doesn’t necessarily mean there’s something nefarious going on. We just gave each other space. The issues came when the partying (on his part) got out of hand. And yes, there were friends of his I didn’t like and he didn’t necessarily care for some of my family members. I understand that they have a sort of traditional royal marriage, but we “commoners” live lives like this too. At the end of the day I hope they are good friends. It helps if you are on the same page especially when there are children involved.

  15. Cupcake says:

    Making investigated = making it work and

    Also, what lady in the middle of a pregnancy does not want to avoid hard-partying friends/environments??

    • notasugarhere says:

      Weddings and Christenings, not hard-partying environments.

      • FLORC says:

        Why are so many people confusing hard drinking parties with these social gatherings during the day? This isn’t about college partying.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        It is a false equivalence – and a way to deflect from the question regarding her absence from events such as weddings and christenings (especially the latter).

        It is a common rhetorical trick whereby you posit an extreme example on the opposite end of the scale from a behaviour that is critizised in order to undermine and deflect the criticism. Like the article on Mr. and Mrs. Bland where people with faux outrage started saying stuff like “do you expect the to juggle, or dancing boggie in Times Square”. It is arguments that don’t engage with the criticism honestly but rather seek to defuse said criticism by hyperbole. If you’re not really interested in entering a debate but want to make a comment anyway – just pull out over-the-top exaggerations. it is a common feature of internet debate culture – see it all the time in the strangest places.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Can I just say, I really appreciate the kinds of things I learn on here from people like you AH.

      • Feeshalori says:

        There’s a term for that known as a straw man fallacy; arguing by distortion and misrepresentation.

      • ArtHistorian says:


        Ah, that’s the term. I couldn’t for the life of me remember it when I wrote the post. And you really do see straw men (and windmill’s) debated intensely in pratical every internet forum. It can be exhausting to read (and to participate in).

      • FLORC says:

        After reading your comment I have a greater understanding of this. I think I could point out an example with a vague nuderstanding, but no where near as detailed. So thanks!

  16. Sumodo1 says:

    This sounds all to familiar to me. It will get worse after the baby is born.

  17. Murphy says:

    The weddings/other things don’t really bother me–if you want to be an anti-social hermit, go right ahead. (Although she should really work more often, thats her JOB)
    But not going to Mia’s christening was absolutely unacceptable.

  18. scout says:

    Yeah, why doesn’t HE take responsibility for his behavior? Kate, stop being insecure and tell him how you feel instead! May be he will listen.

    • LAK says:

      She did. On 2 well documented occasions. He broke up with her.

      • wolfpup says:

        She is so dependent.

      • FLORC says:

        This is where I become split. She made her bed as they say.
        On the other side though she may have really loved him. Love becomes confused with dependence and without being fully aware she built her whole life and future around him. If you thought this person was your only chance at a future what wouldn’t you do for them?
        And I place so much blame on Carol here. Tell your daughter to never go back to someone who treats them so poorly. Not hit the gym and be seen dating his friends to spaark jealousy. That woman.

      • Feeshalori says:

        I think if Carole could have married William, she would have gone for him herself.

      • someonestolemyname says:

        Yes if Carole was Kate’s age, she certainly would have gone after him.
        I believe her mum was just as much a part of the emotional wooing process of William.

        I think Kate won’t leave him, he might dump her again like in 2007 in years to come, but Kate will stay put and just hope he comes back.

      • Kiki04 says:

        @Feeshalori, I so agree – I feel like Carole is like the ugly stepmother in Cinderella, who tries to shove the shoe on her own foot in some of the stories when the prince shows up.

  19. Andrea says:

    I am not bothered by any of this but the christening bit. What does she have against her?

  20. Abbott says:

    Can anyone give me a quick run down on this Jecca Craig? I’m still learning my Royal gossip.

    • Jaded says:

      She’s a wealthy Kenyan socialite, and her family used to own a large cattle ranch there. Her father is Ian Craig who founded the Ngare Sergoi Rhino Sanctuary on their land, and went on to found the Lewa Wildlife Conservancy. William worked at gap year at the conservancy. I think if Jecca had been amenable to it William would have proposed to her as they seem to be very close, and he visits her family frequently. But she probably couldn’t bear the thought of being a royal wife and baby-maker. She was engaged to a guy named Hugh Crossley, a British aristocrat and hotel owner, but bailed on that for some reason. That’s all I’ve got!

      • wolfpup says:

        I wonder if he bailed out because of Wills.

      • Jaded says:

        Good point wolfpup, could very well be.

      • FLORC says:

        To add there was a rumor when William and Jecca were 19ish that they were engaged. For 2 weeks they held up on her families property.
        And has been stated in a few history of William and Kate articles Kate was insecure of Jecca’s relationship. William invited her to meet Jecca on 1 of his common visits and as the story goes they are friends or friendly now.
        That Tanna called her William’s Camilla is telling.
        Jecca has always been the 1 female in William’s life that will always hold great personal importance.

      • someonestolemyname says:

        I will always believe none of Jecca’s romances workout because of her deep friendship with William. I don’t believe they are lovers now. I think Jecca is too classy for that route. But I think Jecca and William do have a non-negotiable deep friendship even now,but no hanky panky.

        Kate was angry on one of the anniversaries of Diana’s death because William was confiding deep feelings to Jecca and not Kate. Kate got wind of their talks and the couple had a fight about why he spoke to Jecca and not her about his feelings.

        Also more history on Jecca. She dated (Earl or Lord) Henry Ropner who reportedly broke her heart, so William went and consoled her. After that William could not stand, Henry Ropner because of how he treated Jecca.

        Cut to 2007….William DUMPS Kate, makes the rounds of clubs at one shouts I’m Free, I’m Free.
        Kate during the same time now the DUMPED ex-girlfriend of William…..Goes out on the town with and begins a round of Dates at the clubs with HENRY ROPNER…the guy Kate knew he couldn’t stand.

        William went ballistic when he saw her out with Jecca’s ex Henry Ropner and called her back up to talk, next thing, no more Kate and Ropner dates and it’s Will and Kate back together.

    • LAK says:

      Jecca is William’s non negotiable as far as close female friends go.

      Or as Tanna, the middleton pap on speed dial once twitted, she’s William’s Camilla.

      His ‘passion’ for conservation may have been influenced by his continued links with Jecca since her family is big on conservation. It was certainly kicked into high gear, particularly the ivory thing, when a rhino was killed for its horn on the Lewa park.

  21. RedWeatherTiger says:

    I suspect Kate’s life is somewhat empty, despite being full of stuff. However, I’m not sure she is aware of it or, if she is aware, I’m not sure she is upset by that emptiness. I hope that her children bring her the kind of meaning that perhaps the rest of her world lacks.

    On a completely superficial note, I wish my last name were “Van Straubenzee.” Its fun to say.

    • Bethany says:

      I don’t feel Kate thinks her life is empty…she shops, gets her hair done, works out and goes to her mothers, where she’s probably waited on and told how wonderful she is. She probably doesn’t do anything there either but sit and have girl talk with her mother and sister. This fills her days to her contentment.

      • wolfpup says:

        Silly girl. I wouldn’t call this a fulfilling life at all.

      • may23 says:

        @Bethany – sounds kind of nice to me, actually. I prefer to socialize with few of my closest friends and I love chatting with my mom. Nice, quiet life surrounded by the people you like who like you? Sure.

      • FLORC says:

        that does sound nice, but it’s not what is described. There are no friends.
        And I had a group of “friends” once that wouldn’t say a bad word to my face. 1. those aren’t friends. 2. We all need to be told we aren’t perfect and we make mistakes. It’s how we stay grounded and improve upon ourselves. No one is so wonderful they can stop bettering themselves.

        Not long ago her days and what fills them came out. She wakes up. Eats specially prepared meal. Works out for at least a few hours. Meets with stylists. Goes to beauty regimen. Shops and or has stuff brought to her to try on. there are some hours where she could be horsebackriding lessons, cooking lessons, home renovation decisions. Depending on what is going on. And another work out session. That’s pretty much her day. Ofcourse more meals prepared and visits to her mother’s house.
        It’s enough movement that she might feel productive. I live amongst WASPs and they live about the same way. Feel very accomplished.

  22. CarH says:

    Kate never appeared as a hard partying gal. Now that she is pregnant, lives in a mansion and has access to the best things and services, why should she spend nights at dark and loud bars with drunk people?

    • notasugarhere says:

      Weddings and Christenings, not bars.

      Papped falling drunk out of clubs 4 nights a week for a decade? Drinking William and Harry under the table? Mocking Harry because he couldn’t drink as much as she could? This doesn’t appear hard-partying to you?

    • FLORC says:

      It’s true. Kate was a party girl with the best of them. This was largely whitewashed when the engagement came, but a few of the old links still work. There’s 1 very negative site I don’t like to promote, but it documents very well her poor behavior and how it’s in stark contrast to the revision of history.

    • someonestolemyname says:

      Kate was definitely a party girl it’s all she did for years, club going, falling out of clubs, many times she and William both looking drunk. One time she was drunk and started arguing with him in the club and it transpired into her jumping into a taxi still arguing and looking drunk.
      The thing is many of the party girl days were written up as a night out, this girl was full on party girl WAG. No job, just club going, partying,vacationing , shopping.

      • CynicalCeleste says:

        What’s that WAG saying… GTL? Gym, tan, lunch…?

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Wife and Girlfriends,….usually used for those women who marry or date up for what the husband or boyfriend brings to her, financially, socially, etc. They find husbands or boyfriends who can open doors socially, monetarily,financially as Wife or Girlfriend, but the Wife or Girlfriend are usually NOT considered self starters, they got both famous or wealthy or careers only through their men.

        I would consider Kate the ultimate WAG.
        Even though Vicotria Beckham is called a WAG by the press, I don’t consider her one, because she has worked her butt off well before meeting David she was already famous and making millions as a Spice Girl.

        IMO Kate is a WAG.
        That’s my take on WAGs….anyway.
        I’m sure someone can add more …..

  23. kibbles says:

    Not everyone gets married for love nor does everyone remain eternally in love with his or her spouse. Some people are perfectly fine with marriage as a business arrangement as long as it remains mutually beneficial in some way. Many women who marry men with significantly more power, money, and status are attractive trophy wives and the men have been raised to believe that they are allowed to have affairs because they bring home the bacon. Or in this case, William allowed Kate to join the Royal family for a title and a lifetime of luxury. Some of the women have side pieces too, but I don’t see Kate as the cheating type. She seems content as a faithful stay at home wife who enjoys shopping, vacationing, and decorating. So, considering what I have read about their relationship before their marriage, Kate is used to this sort of behavior from William and has accepted it a long time ago as a condition to marry into the Royal family. Kate won’t be another Diana who will expose any marital problems to the media. William probably married Kate because she is the antithesis of his mother. Despite William’s love for his mother, he probably realizes that a wife like Diana would be a nail in the coffin for both him and the rest of his family. He’s also perfectly fine with the privileges of being a prince who can be lazy and unfaithful as long as he has a wife who is easily pliable and goes along with anything he wants.

    • Thinker says:

      Let’s us not be tied up with genders, in my opinion William is more likely to repeat the mistakes of his mother than those of his father. What I mean is that I do not think William has experienced a passionate love as of yet… I suspect that, much like Diana, he’s emotionally stunted and rather naive in romantic experiences. I also think that, like Diana, William seeks happiness and would act impulsively if his feelings were strong. It may come to pass that he falls deeply in love and that would be the end of this arrangement.

    • wolfpup says:

      I don’t believe that Will is all that smart, Kibbles. Young men do not choose someone different than their mothers, as that is love’s subconscious choice; though the royal family might have made that kind of assessment. Diana didn’t *want* to present a front for the royal family; or for Charles. Good for her – shows she had some self-respect. The love-match image that the palace has so carefully created for Will and Kate, will be impossible to maintain with internet use. Personally, I think that this will be amusing.

      I wonder how Diana’s choices affected Will’s indecisiveness about royalty; set within Charles’s indulgent fathering. Queen doesn’t want to touch the mess.

      By the way, how does a woman bring down a royal family? That’s BIG!

  24. Vava says:

    All I can say is I’m not surprised at any of it.

    I wouldn’t want to hang out with either William OR Kate.

  25. Thinker says:

    Quite frankly, these facts relate an obvious story. The Cambridges live separate lives. Whether or not you think the weddings can be explained away, there really is no excuse for missing your niece’s christening. (Assuming you were invited)

    I think we’ll need more insider gossips to spill on the dynamics to properly understand what’s going on here, but there is no doubt William holds the cards.

    On one hand, I feel sorry for Kate. She truly has no friends, the women she’s photographed with are always employees. She’s rarely even seen with her sister anymore. But, on the other hand, Kate chose a very specific life path. She put all her effort into seeding this relationship, and now she’s reaping what she’s sowed.

    • wolfpup says:

      I think that her mother chose this life path for her. Boyfriends easily come and go.

    • Yep–I think that shows huge gaps in the relationship between family members; husband and wife. I remember driving two hours to go to my little cousin’s baptism–and the only reason he was baptized was because his dad wanted him to follow his religion while he was with him on his visitation week–so it’s not like we all went to that church, lived in the area, or even spent time with the dad as a family member anymore. But we all got dressed, drove two hours, and watched the service. That’s what you do for family, even when the two parents (my aunt and the dad) are fighting……

  26. S says:

    OMG, I guess this means my marriage is in trouble!!! My husband travels for work and I sometimes go days/week without seeing him. We both sometimes go on weekend trips with friends. I don’t usually go with him with friends/parties that I would find dull, etc. I took a friend with me to the ballet last night with the kids because he is not a big fan. We are still very much in love.
    In photos together, they are often beaming at each other. Kate, in particular, is not a good actress, so I doubt that is part of their PR strategy. I think they just acknowledge that you don’t have to be glued at the hip to have a loving and effective marriage.

  27. anne_000 says:

    Caroline and her daughters… Their goal has been to go to schools where the rich boys are, to date only rich boys and if they’re titled, all the better. Waity did whatever she could, waited all those years, put up with everything to accomplish that goal and got it. Now that she has the ring, the two heirs, the title with all its privileges, all she has to do is not get William to divorce her. But if he does, she’s not going to go out penniless, without a position in British society, and without celebrity status.

    And yeah, she’s not going to go out drinking when she’s pregnant. She doesn’t have to go out with people she hardly knows and doesn’t have actual friendships with. Reportedly, she forsook some or many of her own friendships in order to fit in with William’s social circles during their pre-marriage period. Bad mistake, but her choice. She still has chances to make friends of her own if she wants to. She’s not doomed to a fate of loneliness.

    I think some posters are saying that she’s now in something she didn’t want and is unhappy in her marriage? I don’t think that’s true.

    • Jaded says:

      I agree – she knew exactly what she was getting into and she’s not unhappy about her choice. Her only focus seemed to be on bagging William and she put aside many important things in her life such as her own friendships, career aspirations (if she ever had any which I doubt), and a loving marriage based on fidelity and equality. All that being said, she appears to be rather empty-headed, lazy and superficial – I don’t think she will ever be able to take on or create what Diana did, and William is probably quite happy having a passive, obedient wife who contents herself with vacations, shopping, home-making and having babies while he goes about his own business.

      • I just get the feeling/have the opinion that very little she does is of any substance. I mean, just because you stay home with the children (or even just stay home), doesn’t mean that you’re not doing work. Cooking, cleaning, taking care of the house, etc. That’s all work. But she has people who do a lot of that for her. So then she’s got the baby. She feeds him, plays with him…..then what? She goes shopping, gets her hair done. That’s about it. She can’t tell us anything about Faberge Eggs, that’s for sure. So we know she’s not studying art or anything like that. All I know is *I* start to get bored after the first week of doing nothing during school vacations,etc. So God only knows how she copes.

    • anne_000 says:

      I meant to say Carol, not Caroline. LOL…. though her actual name might be Caroline? I dunno.

    • notasugarhere says:

      I think she’s happy only when William is happy. KM’s only way to define happiness is William not being UNHAPPY with her.

      “But if he does, she’s not going to go out penniless, without a position in British society, and without celebrity status. ” I doubt aristos will change their minds and start liking her if they divorce. She isn’t a workhorse like Diana. She does not have the public on her side. Her family is not well-liked. The costs of maintaining a popular ex-wife (Diana) were criticized, so the costs of maintaining an unpopular ex-wife will be criticized (see Fergie).

      Look at Denmark. Alexandra was a huge hit when she and Joachim married. When they divorced, the Danish Royal Family bought her a house as part of her divorce settlement. The taxpayers basically pay her alimony, even though she has remarried. She is still paid by the taxpayers to be a representative of the DRF. Joachim has remarried and his new wife is a popular working royal too. Recently there were calls to end the payments to Alexandra, and even though she’s popular the grumbling about taxpayers paying her a salary continues.

      If W&K divorce and KM gives up all pretense of doing royal engagements in exchange for the perks – it will get ugly. She wouldn’t be a popular figure with the public, although the press would love taking her down a la Fergie. And the tweens/teens/twentysomethings on tumblr will transfer their fangirling to William’s second wife or to Harry’s spouse.

      • anne_000 says:

        I’m thinking that there’s going to be Aristos who want to marry her just to have kids that are half-siblings to the future King and he himself would be the step-father. Men can be social climbers too.

        I don’t know if she ever really had the public on her side. She showed what she is during her Waity years. She’s doesn’t seem to care so much now so long as she gets attention from the paparazzi and ass-kissing from people who like to hang around celebrities. For years, she doesn’t seem to mind showing off her body parts, which to me is her way of not caring about any negative public reaction.

        Fergie isn’t the mother to the future King and spare and Alexander’s Joachim wasn’t the Crown Prince.

        Kate doesn’t seem to like public engagements anyways. She can barely make a speech. The last one I remember from her was a few sentences that took her 2 minutes to say. She’s not much of a meet-and-greet type and seems to suck at small talk and thinking of things to say.

        In a post-divorce situation, I think she will be OK with NOT having to do engagements, not working for charities, not going all that sort of thing that keeps one in the public eye. I think she do just fine post-divorce.

        Another thing, it seems like Kate has spent all her known-adult life doing the same things, pre-marriage & married. She’s not shown much of a life outside of getting a man. She seems like she’s quite comfortable with the type of lifestyle that looks to others as ‘not doing much of anything.’

      • notasugarhere says:

        Aristos didn’t want to marry William, why would they want their children to marry William’s children?

        “In a post-divorce situation, I think she will be OK with NOT having to do engagements, not working for charities, not going all that sort of thing that keeps one in the public eye. ” I don’t think the taxpayers would be okay footing the bill for her to quit working entirely but remain on their payroll (mansions, security, shopping, vacations). Once the heir and spare are at boarding school, her circumstances would be reduced.

        No need for her to have her own separate 10 bedroom mansion on the Sandringham estate (if William and his new wife get Anmer) if the kids are only there a few weeks a year. If she goes to Mustique without the kids, why should the taxpayers fund the security, etc. It would end up with William having to pay for her lifestyle himself out of his inheritance (not Duchy money once he inherits it).

      • anne_000 says:

        I was saying that there are probably Aristos who would want to marry Kate so that their children would be half-siblings of the future King and that they themselves would be the step-father.

        I wasn’t saying anything about marrying George and the future spare.

        With or without bodyguards, Kate is going to get a big settlement and Uncle Gary and her parents can also help fund the private guards too if that’s what she really wants.

        Regardless, she’s always going to be one of the 1% no matter what for the rest of her life anyways.

      • FLORC says:

        I bet there will be an authorized book. That would bring in the money and publishers would be tossing bundles at her feet for it.

        The rest… The Middletons finances are long suspect (without william helping out (allegedly)) and Uncle Gary might become more vocal again. Still, they could support their daughter.

        There wouldn’t be that Palace pr spin though, so things might get interesting.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Thanks for explaining what you meant about who was marrying whom.

        I don’t think she’d get a big settlement. Charles is paying for everything – so William can claim he never supported his wife. It has been documented in the press that Charles paid for all the decorating and furnishings at KP and Anmer (or that the items are on-loan from the Royal Collection). He could merely be “loaning them to his son” but they’re not owned by W&K. Charles pays for all of her clothes, also easily documented in the receipts and his tax returns (when he claims her clothing as a work expense).

        William has paid for nothing for her. They do not own their homes. They do not own the contents of their homes. They have them “grace & favor” until they fall out of favor.

        If William did pay a big chunk of the money on the new Middleton home, there is a strong argument for him not owing anything in alimony. Or basing that alimony on his “earnings” as a pilot. She could end up with a smallish space in KP – but only if she does X amount of charity appearances a year. That’s the price of a spot in KP for everybody else – working for HM.

      • LadySlippers says:


        In the very unlikely event William and Kate divorce, I don’t think Kate will get shafted like Sarah did. She probably won’t get something as high as Diana but also nothing like Sarah. Charles, for his many faults, is pretty fair in that department.

        And the Akexanda/Joachim divorce cannot be compared to anything in the BRF. IMO this is where QMII outperformed QEII by a lot. Alexandra was treated very fairly by the DRF and wasn’t drug through the mud like Diana and Sarah were (which I partly blame QEII for). QEII allowed her family’s issues to become tabloid fodder (it was such a circus for years) whereas the DRF never stooped that low. The Alexandra/Joachim divorce, is the standard to which all divorces, royal or otherwise, should strive for.

      • notasugarhere says:

        C’s banker admitted that his “personal” fortune was basically wiped out by the divorce settlement. I don’t think the BRF is naive. There may be no pre-nup in place, but they will not be taken for a financial ride again. I think Charles is generous when it comes to the pampering of women, so he doesn’t mind paying for her spa trips, hairdresser, clothing, jewelry – while she is in the BRF and “working” – tax deductible expenses.

        It would be a different story if he was looking at another multimillion pound payout in a divorce. More likely she’d get one small grace&favor residence in a royal property (to reduce security costs) but nothing close to Diana’s payout. They’d clamp down on security costs when she’s elsewhere (ie. vacationing, at her parents) without the kids and she’d have to pay a lot of those expenses herself out of the settlement.

        I think Alexandra/Joachim/Marie are a great example of how to act like grown-ups re. divorce and re-marriage. The fact remains, what is basically Alexandra’s alimony ($380,000/year) is paid by the Danish taxpayers.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I would just like point out that Alexandra and her new husband are on friendly terms with Joachim and Marie. Alex turned 50 this year and both Joachim and Marie attended her birthday party. I have no doubt that the divorce was hard on both parties – it is always sad when a marriage dies. However, they seem to have put their children first and 10 years later all parties seem to get along nicely.

        I would also point out that the Danish tabloids aren’t nearly as aggressive and invasive as the British ones. That also makes a big difference. And both Margrethe and Henrik were/are very fond of Alexandra + plus she didn’t play the press like Diana did. No one really knows why they divorced, even 10 years later. There were rumours at the time but the public actually doesn’t know anything because people in the know have keept quiet.

      • LadySlippers says:


        Charles had to go to Mummy for a loan to pay out Diana’s settlement. And I agree — I don’t think Kate would dream of asking for what Diana did (Diana originally asked for £45 million). However, the BRF can’t have another Sarah either, so I see a £10-15 million payout IF Kate and William ever divorced (inflation has eaten the actually spendable amount versus when Diana and Charles divorced).


        All true statements so no arguments from me! But QMII still handled the situation vastly better than QEII. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        No argument from me here. Sometimes an aversion to conflict in the family can be just very damaging.

  28. wow says:

    This is why I can see why he married her. She is a great choice because she is okay with this setup. She is a special kind if breed because a lot of women today would not be able to cope with a lifestyle like that. It works for them.

    And I don’t blame Kate for not wanting to be around William’s friends. They are more than likely the same a-holes were ho poked fun of her family and called her names when she was dating William, so yeah, screw them. Or if she really wanted to be a witch, she should go just for the satisfaction of them having to bow/curtsey (sp?) to her now. Lol.

    • notasugarhere says:

      BTW, Harry agreed with those who called her The Limpet, and it doesn’t seem to turn KM off of Harry.

      • FLORC says:

        To be fair Nota. Harry seems like such a charismatic guy it would be a struggle to stay upset at him as he stares into your eyes and makes you giggle.
        *stares into distance* *giggles*

    • Lauren says:

      I would be fine with that curtseying as long as people don’t fuss if poor Kate has to bow to The Princess Royal/ The York Princesses. It doesn’t seem like such a whine if she has to bow to the men in that family but people seem to have a problem with her bowing to the females who are the Queen’s own flesh and blood. Lots of people will say the rules are outdated in this instance but then again Royalty in general is an outdated concept so of course they foster outdated ways of thinking. Same goes for the aristocrats that look down on the Middleton’s.

  29. ElleRob says:

    And now people has a story up about Kate taking George to some holiday carnival thing. Given yesterday’s post (and can I just say, I continue to learn more about the BRF from the Celebitchy comments than actual news sites?), it does seem like their PR continues to be out in force.

    And to keep this post on topic: Apparently Will was not with Kate and George.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Yes, loving papa nowhere to be seen. This happened a week ago. Not one single person in all of the park managed to tweet about the event or get a cellphone picture until the story broke (ie. was spoonfed to the DM) a week after it happened? Shocking.

      • The Original Mia says:

        Yes, it is strange how those two were apparently able to spend an hour there, but no one tweeted a sighting or got a picture. I’m calling shenanigans! As for absent dad, Wills? Perhaps he was studying for his helicopter job? Or maybe a secret charity visit?

      • Eileen says:

        Remember she travels with royal protection officers who could perform crowd control to some extent they may have requested mobile phones be put away prior to arriving (just speculating totally here)

      • notasugarhere says:

        RPOs cannot legally prevent people from taking pictures of someone in a public place. W&K’s RPOs do it all the time but it isn’t legal. Taking a picture of a someone in a public place is not illegal in the UK, even photographing someone else’s child in a public place is not illegal in the UK.

        RPOs could not stop hundreds of people who might have seen them from tweeting about it. If RPOs had demanded that everyone who was at the fair turn off their phones and not photograph their own children having fun at the event? We would have heard about it. We hear about it when the Middleton family demands that everyone on the island of Mustique surrender their cameras when the Middleton’s step foot on the island.

  30. Luciana says:

    For some reason I feel kind of apologetic towards Kate. I know she’s a grown up woman and a lazy ass but it must be really depressed to be stuck in a loveless marriage, at least on his side. The worst part, at least IMO, is the fact he let people around him make fun of her and her family. She is the mother of his child(ren) and wife. He has to respect her!

  31. minx says:

    Meh, I think the truth of their marriage isn’t necessarily discernible to outsiders. They’ve known each other a long time, the kids have started to come along, they aren’t going to be making cow eyes at each other. I’m sure he irritates her sometimes and she irritates him sometimes and they get over it. I’m always amused by the British press, speaking so knowingly about these personal relationships.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Have you seen King Felipe and Queen Letizia? The spark doesn’t have to die after a decade and 2 kids.

      • LAK says:

        I’ll add Victoria and Daniel. 10yrs of dating + 5-6yrs marriage + 1 child and you STILL see the spark.

      • FLORC says:

        I’ve been with my husband since college and married more than half the time since. At gatherings couples still make comments that we look at eachother like we’re so in love or still in the honeymoon phase. When there’s a spark it doesn’t have to fade because you’d use to eachother. I never understood that defense. It made marriage sound like something you get comfortable with and have gone too far to back out of.

  32. maddelina says:

    What a pile of crap!

  33. Mrs.Krabapple says:

    I’ve considered their marriage “over” (love-wise) since her last pregnancy, when she was supposedly so violently ill, yet William spent the weekend with his friends at a shooting party, after dumping Kate off onto her parents. This was their first child, Kate was sick enough that she had to be admitted to a hospital, yet William let her parents deal with it while he had fun someplace else with his friends.

    Or, Kate wasn’t really that sick, and William felt justified in doing his own thing while Kate made one of her many, many visits to her family (who apparently are her only friends in life). Kate played up the sickness (if not making it up, at least exaggerating it) to force William back to her side, or he would have faced bad publicity.

    Either way, that’s not a healthy marriage. But, whatever, this is what William wants. And Kate will put up with it to keep her title. I wonder if at some point a little voice in Kate’s head said it’s not worth it, but after soooooo much time and effort to catch him, her brain went into denial and won’t let her admit that it wasn’t worth it. Kinda sad, really. For both of them, but mostly for her.

    • Olenna says:

      This marriage is not just Kate’s and William’s; it’s Carole Middleton’s, too. And, because of Carole, I think Kate will stay in it no matter what William does or doesn’t as a husband and father.

    • Please no lipservice please! says:

      “I wonder if at some point a little voice in Kate’s head said it’s not worth it, but after soooooo much time and effort to catch him, her brain went into denial and won’t let her admit that it wasn’t worth it. Kinda sad, really. For both of them, but mostly for her. ”

      Well said! I think this is going to happen!

    • ArtHistorian says:

      I’ve always wondered about this. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t her only, short-lived work experience hampered by her need to organize her life around William’s schedule? If so then I feel sorry for her because it isn’t a relationship between equals if one party has to keep her own life, career and ambitions on hold for the benefit of the other party, especially when no children are involved.

      I just find it sad that she spent her youth making him the centre of her life and at the same time sacrificing her own possibilites for experience and growth. She’s been with him since university and because she felt she had to tailor her own life to his needs, she’s never had the opportunity to spread her wings and navigate the world as an indenpendant individual. I think she’s had a very secure life, insulated from the problems, hassles and sometimes hardships that most people experience and grow from ( and neither has she experience the pride you get from accomplishing something you’ve worked hard on, that you’ve succeeded on your own terms, talents and work). It does no one any good to be perpetually wrapped in a comfy cotton bubble. I know she chose this, but I still pity her – because she made that choice when she was very young and inexperienced so I don’t think she knows what she has missed out on.

      • Feeshalori says:

        That was the Jigsaw job you’re referring to, AH. And I’m sure her mother had a hand in this and steered her in the wrong direction as well, so Kate didn’t have a parent with her daughter’s best emotional interests at heart. I’m not saying I know the relationship between Kate and Carole and I can only speculate, but most likely Carole dispensed the type of advice to Kate that normal moms wouldn’t. A normal mother would advise her daughter to run for the hills at the first sign of a dysfunctional man and unbalanced relationship that harms her daughter emotionally and denies her independence. But the sapphire ring was just too tempting to ignore and the prize for them too great, so the means justified the end.

      • Pippa Mids says:


        Waity may have started out as a shy homebody – at university ( there are paps of waity GF days, and Pippa leading and pulling Waity along to clubs/ events that Will present at).

        Ma carole middleton sacrifice her daughter, lead/ push Waity to be P Will mattress to get close so she could gain what carole dreamed and wanted – - social climbing/titles. Like her daughter Waity, and all miDdletons, they send red arrows to anyone gettong. Close (no freinds)

        Waity became confidante to Wills, encouraging classes and the like while they/carole middleton family had their plans claws to use Will.

        Waity may want to discontinue as not mature to handle (realize she is over her head with the Rpyals) and the farce hence, the separation at buckleberry….very sad as ma carole is there only to enforce the original plan (sad ending (for doolittle to be sure). Will be interesting to see the end.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I have a hard time understanding what you’re trying to say here. You’re posts are difficult to read.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Carole is rumored to have talked to colleagues (owners at Jigsaw) and gotten her daughter a job which lasted 9 months. This was after the article came out about HM asking, “What does she do all day?” and KM being called out in the press as a lazy partygirl who didn’t have a job.

        KM demanded a schedule from Jigsaw that would allow maximum flexibility because she needed to be available to fly to William’s side at any time. Started at 3 days/week, went down to 2/week. She quit the job when William broke up with her. Again. She was said to have taken compassionate leave (paid?) when William dumped her, then she quit. Boss at Jigsaw quote, “She wasn’t exactly committed to the job.”

      • FLORC says:

        I’ve asked the same of Pippa. They post and run. Rarely if ever coming back to clarify. It’s like reading a code without the cypher. My translating app forceclosed when I entered 1 of Pippa’s comments in.

    • Lizzy1013 says:

      I can almost see her telling him to go on with his friends for the weekend. She would be able to tell that he really wanted to go and she would have insisted he go. The alternative would be him sulking all weekend.

    • Vava says:

      I think the “love” was gone even before the marriage ceremony. The day of the wedding, I didn’t have the impression that William was all that enamored with Kate, just going through the motions like he does now.

  34. maeliz says:

    She’s been really sick during both pregnancies. Now she has a toddler while going through her difficult pregnancy. Out during the day doing things like shopping are different than being out in loud places with drunks around. She’s the mother of Prince George, not a party animal

    • notasugarhere says:

      The events she missed were weddings and christenings, not frat parties. She has multiple nannies taking care of PGTips. She was plenty healthy to crash William’s solo trip to NYC. She’ll be flying to Mustique any day now. She’s not sick, she’s pregnant.

  35. Danielleisgodess says:

    I don’t see how being a royal or wealthy comes into play with whatever kind of arrangement they have. Plenty of couples regardless of economics spend a good deal of time apart and have different social circles. I don’t like most of my husbands friends, so I don’t hang out with them. We work demanding jobs with crazy hours, therefore sometimes the amount of time we actually spend together a week may be like 2 hours. Doesn’t mean we don’t love each other or don’t like spending time together, but we both agreed when we got married it wouldn’t change either one of us personally. Some couples just don’t feel the need to be up each other’s butts.

    • notasugarhere says:

      For ten years, she took every opportunity to spend time with William’s friends. Since their wedding, she has gone to all the society weddings and such with him. Flew to Switzerland while “deathly ill with HG” to attend a society wedding. Only lately, she hasn’t been attending weddings and christenings of their social set. She didn’t attend a fund-raiser remembrance event for a friend of W&K who died at 18. She was so eager before, and in the first few years of marriage, but not now? Doesn’t add up.

  36. may23 says:

    I see nothing wrong – I like a quiet life with the small group of people I like who (most of the time) like me. Besides, she gets plenty of entertainment and socializing when she goes out to do her royal work. Otherwise, spending time with my closest people at my own big beautiful mansion sounds like a perfect existence to me.

    • FLORC says:

      Gilded cages always look so desired from the outside.
      Eventually you crave more than your hour every 2 weeks mingling with the public.
      And you stated above your small group included your friends. Not Mother, sister, employees.
      In this aspect I do have sympathy. Waiting for your husband to return. Wondering where he’s been and with whom. Caring for yourself to appeal to him upon arrival. And how many times can you renovate your homes? The women I know personally that live this way aren’t really happy, but will act like they are because it seems so wonderful a life from the outside. That they appear to have what they think others want is meaningful to them.
      Truly sad.

      • Please no lipservice please! says:

        @ Florc

        I know such women. Just wait till they get older. When they start understanding what kind of life they could have had if they only had had the courage to change things! They rarely ever develop the courage to change things but they get unhappier with every year! One shouldn’t envy them!

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I guess I have a hard time understanding this kind of existence. sure, I would be nice not to have to worry about money but it just sound so boring – but I find shopping and decorating exhausting so what do I know? In the long run I would go absolutely batty.
        I’m currently without job and I can tell you my days feel very very looong. I’m good at keeping myself occupied with reading, crafts, etc. However, I really miss being part of a work environment. It gets very lonely being without employment and very boring without challenges. I cannot for the life of me understand how Kate can endure such an existence – but then, people are different.

      • notasugarhere says:

        AH, could you propose an internship with the Danish royal collection, to get a start on your book about tiaras? Interview Queen Margrethe about the gold poppies thing (I cannot call it a tiara) and her new tiara from Greenland. Interview the jewelers about the Midnight Tiara, which I think is gorgeous. (I’m not as fond of Marie’s silver lily one.) You could always expand the book to be about tiaras in all the Scandinavian collections, not just Danish. Wouldn’t you love to interview Astrid about her crazy Wings tiara?

        Is there a book about the Danish jewels, to go along with that great documentary from a few years ago? If not, you could write it!

      • ArtHistorian says:

        That’s an excellent idea – confining the subject the the tiaras in the Scandinavian RFs. They have pieces that cover the major historical periods and stylistic categories – and there’s a lot of history and sentiment attached to the pieces.

        As far as I know there isn’t a book related to the documentary. Though there is one about the Danish Crown Jewels and one about CP Mary’s ruby and diamond tiara.

        I love the Midnigt Tiara, which looks like it has been inspired by the mistletoe wreaths of the druids. IMO it is one of the most successful modern interpretations of the tiara.

      • notasugarhere says:

        AH, I’m a big fan of the Midnight Tiara. Modern with a nod to the gold floral wreaths of Greece and Rome. Rough timeline for your project:

        Get a new credit card (or prepaid credit card) that you will use for all expenses related to the book. Purchasing copies of competitor’s books, tickets to museum exhibits, train tickets, hotels, etc. This way, you’ll know how much you spent writing it. This also keeps business expenses separate from your living expenses.

        Survey of the literature (ie. read or re-read books about tiaras, famous jewelers, and Scandinavian royal houses. Yay!)

        Theme statement, summary paragraph
        What is the purpose of your book? Why are you writing it? What need does it meet? Will it include stories of the individuals who designed the tiaras? Stories of who wears the tiaras and their family connections?

        Create database of tiaras covered in other books (name, owner, designer, jeweler, commission + info like color photo, sketch, written up or just a picture). Note which ones will be crossovers with your book.

        Write outline
        Send proposal to royal collections

        May – Nov
        Research and write!

        1st very rough draft due December 31, 2015

      • notasugarhere says:

        Backstory on the Midnight, for those of you who haven’t already seen it on Royal Order. http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2011/11/tiara-thursday-midnight-tiara.html

      • ArtHistorian says:


        Good suggestions.

        I just applied for a Ph.D. Fellowship last week but it will take some time before I get an answer.

        By the way, do you know any good database software? I have a lot of visual material collected for my Ph.D.-project and I need a way to organze it in an effective manner and a database would be perfect and it may be something that I can get grant money for.

      • notasugarhere says:

        For smaller collections, I know a lot of archivists/museum types who use PastPerfect, http://www.museumsoftware.com/

        It is still pricey (probably $1500/year with support). Maybe the institution you get your fellowship with will have a site license (multiple-users) you could use? They do have a free evaluation version so you can try before you buy.

      • FLORC says:

        Have you ever considered a job in life counseling? Or whatever that’s called elsewhere. You told another poster what to do while in France and it was full of wonderful ideas!

        I wish you could talk some sense into those women I know.

      • ArtHistorian says:


        Thanks! I’ll look into it.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Thanks, FLORC. A life coach? Or maybe I’m just bossy. Nah, that couldn’t be it!

        That lovely poster from Paris never came back to CB, so she might have thought I was lecturing her. I was just trying to give helpful suggestions. If you are lonely and bored, you are lonely and bored, whether you’re in Paris, France or Paris, Ohio.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Or maybe she took your advice, Nota, and got right to it! She could be pretty busy now on her new life path.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I’m very happy about your advice. You had some really great suggestions that I’ll keep in mind.

  37. Vava says:

    Don’t forget now, KATE IS A GREAT ROLE MODEL!!!!!!!!!!

    Before long, even the super sugars will stop saying that.

  38. Bill Hicks is God says:

    She looks insane in the second picture. GF needs to practice in front of a mirror and get it right because whoah…yeah, not a good look. She’s had plenty of time and still photographs so inconsistently, there’s really no excuse for it.

  39. Mrsjennyk says:

    I find it hilarious that most of the comments are “when they divorce” way too much time invested into these people. Mostly from those that appear to dislike W&K for whatever reasons.

  40. Please no lipservice please! says:

    One never sees Kate anywhere with friends!
    There are reports she gave “death-stares” to girls coming close to William in a disco (pre-marriage). So instead of out-smarting out-witting out-dancing and out-funny-ing the competition she clung to William by threatening the competition.

  41. HoustonGrl says:

    Do I think they have a fairy tale? No. Will they divorce? I doubt it. Kate fought tooth and claw to get where she is, and William seems determined not to repeat history. Plus, it’s not like he’s some suave flirt, anytime I’ve heard him speak he is clumsy and dorky at best. Anyway, I think his tiny inner circle exhausted all its romantic avenues years ago. Seems like all their friends are married (to each other). As for Kate joining them, she has been an outcast from the beginning.

    • Vava says:

      no fairy tale, that’s for sure. Agreed, Kate has been an outcast and probably well deserved. Look at how she treated her own friends! She is not someone I’d want to be friends with, that’s for sure. She can sit on her throne and rotate, if you ask me.

      William certainly is no catch at this point, either. Maybe they do deserve each other!

  42. may23 says:

    It seems like a lot of commentators here are projecting their own lives on Kate’s situation. There are no real signs that suggest she regrets her decision. Just because someone wants to think she is unhappy because she has money and fame (because you know, rich should be miserable because it would be unfair otherwise!!) doesn’t mean that’s the case. She probably takes the negative with the positive in her situation, as it’s not all rosy all the time and just lives her life. I definitely do not think she is bored, desperate, lonely or neglected. Divorce? Yeah, right. She is set for life and if she doesn’t want to hang out with Will’s drunken buddies, she doesn’t have to. She doesn’t know about “Faberge Eggs”? LOL! @Virginia, how much do you know about those eggs? She graduated with a degree in Art History and an excellent fiance – sounds like she did well for herself. Not everyone aspires to become and art gallery curator. Some just want to be princesses.

    • Caroline says:

      Agree with this and if Kate does not like William’s friends now but did before the marriage, so what? She has him now. No different from Diana pretending to adore Balmoral and the countryside and then hating it the second the wedding ring was on her finger. Regarding all the reports about Kate being drunk during their courtship, what I read was that she was generally immaculate with hair combed as she left at the end of an evening out. I would love to know how people on here seem to know they are sometimes separated for weeks at a time. William’s service duties apart when exactly has this been? Dates, please. Of course it is not perfect with them but I do think they are happy, do think they will last the course and will go on to have a third child. The only people who know what goes on in a marriage are the two people themselves.

    • Vava says:

      I know more about Faberge eggs than Kate apparently does, and I was educated in the sciences (geology, chemistry, and physics). I think part of Kate’s thing is she gets nervous and says stupid things. Or, perhaps she doesn’t remember the HISTORY part of her Art History education. She just comes off sounding – not very intelligent.

      Maybe she’s happy with her situation, if she is – more power to her. The deal is though, the PR people need to stop with the ‘fairy tale romance’ b.s. because there are a lot of people who just are not buying into it.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I don’t think that she knows nothing of Fabergé Eggs, I just think that she’s a lousy conversationalist.

      • FLORC says:

        When not exercising skills like thinking on your feet they grow dull. I think thats what Kate is suffering from.

  43. SK says:

    God some people are nasty about this woman! It’s depressing reading all the nasty, vindictive comments. I can’t believe some of the either! Seriously, she and her mother should remember that they are commoners whilst his friends are aristos?? Is that for real???? Who gives a *#£¥ that his spoilt friends happened to be born into certain families? They are it better than anyone.

    Honestly, there are plenty of possibilities here. I personally think it’s likely that they subtly shut her out. I’ve seen female friends of guys I know do that to their girlfriends/wives, even other femal friends, for no real reason. Often men don’t really notice it but the women really feel it. I can imagine his friends (make and female) being insanely cliquey and judgmental. A lot of those people are really juvenile too in their own posh little way. Kate has one child and another on the way, perhaps she just doesn’t have the energy to deal with passive aggressive bullsh*t from a bunch of entitled twits, regardless of the amount of help she has.

    • FLORC says:

      It’s a class system and does seem pretty awful from the outside view. The Middletons ave reinforced that though. They’re a part of this terrible system holding it up from the inside.
      Many here don’t approve of that system, but it doesn’t mean it’s not thriving.

      And we’re politely discussing William’s friends and why Kate stuck around for so long and now cutting ties. It’s a dramatic change greater than simpy focusing on family. She was 1 baby in and still did this.

      Though I agree. Some comments are a bit too far this is stilll one of the more logical threads on this site.