Marilyn Manson: Billy Corgan said Rose McGowan would ruin my life & career

No glove, no love.

A photo posted by Marilyn Manson (@marilynmanson) on

Have you ever visited Marilyn Manson’s Instagram page? His self-deprecating selfies and general bitchiness make me laugh so hard. Take the above photo as an example. Manson and Courtney Love had a red-carpet encounter. Courtney, visibly thrilled to see Manson, reaches out for a hug. Manson is all, “Not today, Satan lady.” His caption? “No glove, no love.” (Hilarious.) He also curates a collection of unintentionally PG-13 church signs.

Manson did an interview with Esquire to promote his new album, The Pale Emperor, which came out Tuesday. It’s supposed to be his best effort in over a decade. I’ll probably pick up a copy because one can never have enough theatrical douche rock. Manson covers his Sons of Anarchy stunt casting in this interview. He also talks some serious trash about Courtney and Rose McGowan. He digs Billy Corgan, probably because they’re both bitchy boys:

His acting ambitions: “Well, the only real part was, mostly, Sons of Anarchy. That began with me becoming friends with Shooter Jennings. I was a fan of his music, not knowing that he was a fan of mine, and I met him. Essentially, I just wanted to have a song on the show. It’s my dad’s favorite show. I was literally at my father’s house after my mother died, and the phone call came while I was sitting there at the table talking to my father who was very sick at the time. He had some sort of infection and his legs looked like if he was on Walking Dead. They definitely would’ve killed him two episodes earlier. It was that bad. Then I get a phone call saying, ‘You’re on Sons of Anarchy,’ and I told my dad, and it made him very f***ing happy. The first day, I showed up-the director, Paris [Barclay], he’s black, and I had to say some very racist things in my very first episode. The thing I learned most was I tend to talk a lot with my hands, and I had to sit very still. The direction from Paris was, ‘Just make it all about the moments in between what you say, and it’s all in your face.’ I asked Charlie [Hunnam], because most of my scenes were with him, there was one line where I had to say ‘I miss my dogs,’ and I couldn’t figure out how I wanted to deliver that. He said, ‘Why don’t you just act like you’re crazy, but don’t know it, like in real life?'”

On Courtney Love & Rose McGowan: “[Courtney and I] have always been weird with each other, because she’s slept with pretty much every one of my friends, supposedly. Not me, though. She, one time, told me she was mad at me because I didn’t want to f*** her and I was smarter than her. I said, ‘Well, you kind of proved your own point right there on that one.’ But it was cool. We didn’t work any scenes together [on SoA], but I saw her on the red carpet. Her dress broke, and I said, ‘You okay? Your p**** didn’t show, did it?’ and she said, ‘No,’ and I went, ‘Thank God! That would’ve been horrible!’ That was the only time I f***ed with her. Other than that, I’m cool with Courtney. It was funny, because I ran into Billy [Corgan], and a lot of people think there was some kind of falling out. It was mostly that he wrote a strongly worded letter about how Rose McGowan would ruin my life and ruin my career if I stayed with her, which was good advice, and he wrote it as a letter, which is very polite. There is sort of a guy code that I abide by where he totally offered his advice, and he was genuinely just looking out for my best interests. I hadn’t seen him in 15 years. I had forgotten how close we were, having not seen him in so long. He’s the one who taught me how to play guitar, so if it sucks or it’s good, it’s his fault.”

On inventing the term “grunge”: “Yeah, let me clarify that. I didn’t say I invented the word. I said I coined it, in that I popularized it. I think I actually wrote “grungy.” But it is pretty amusing that that became a headline. I’m like a Furby. You can push me, and then your sound bite comes out, and there you have your headline. So to clarify, I merely claimed that I popularized the word, which is pretty much not accurate, considering the distribution of the periodical that I wrote it in. But I like to self-aggrandize.”

[From Esquire]

Marilyn Manson actually dropped the words “guy code.” That’s some serious dish about Rose, and I wonder what Billy has against her. He basically stuck his neck out and engineered the breakup, right? Rose didn’t ruin Marilyn’s career at all, but she may have had an effect on director Robert Rodriguez. They hooked up (and destroyed his marriage), and he hasn’t had a hit since then. I’m not saying it’s Rose’s fault, but it is an interesting coincidence.

MM also has a new-ish interview with The Guardian where he talks about his daddy issues. He also wants to have his own children — soon — to pass on the Manson/Warner “legacy.” He talks about “my best friend,” Johnny Depp, as an example of how he wants to parent. Marilyn says he used to change Lily-Rose’s diapers. Manson just can’t stop name dropping the Scarf Monster. Major mancrush city.

Here are some more Marilyn Instagram pics. Y’all know how much I dislike Uncle Terry, so I appreciate Marilyn’s attitude in this photo.

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Photos courtesy of Marilyn Manson on Instagram & WENN

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  1. Jag says:

    I thought that he and Rose were good together, so reading that is surprising.

  2. Esmom says:

    I don’t follow this guy at all but he sounds funnier and smarter than I would have imagined. I like how he compared himself to a Furby. And I like how Charlie Hunnam called him crazy right to his face, sounds like a hilarious exchange.

    • Senaber says:

      I agree- this sounds like a great interview. Makes me like Charlie more as well (my crush kind of dipped after that whole “ice-cream machine cringeworthiness”).

    • Lilo says:

      I’ve always liked him. I remember when people found him off-putting and called him dangerous because of his looks, even blaming him for Columbine, to some degree. That interview back then changed a lot of people’s minds, I guess. I find him to be well spoken, intelligent, funny, honest and quite polite.

      I would love to teach him a decent smokey eye, though.

    • littlestar says:

      Funny and self-aware AND he sounds like a pretty smart guy too! We are not a fan of his music but my husband has told me many times that Manson is intelligent and knows what he’s doing, I believe him now after reading this interview lol.

    • Veronica says:

      He’s always been an intelligent guy, though just f*cking weird in general. The interesting aspect for me has always been in deciphering how much of that weirdness is building the Manson icon and how much of it is really him.

      The biggest thing I don’t like about him is his attitude toward women. If he’s correct on the matter that he attracts “damaged” women, then there is some responsibility on his own part by enabling it through a relationship. His breakups always seem to revolve around what SHE did and not his part in it.

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      JLO has now put the mating call out to Charlie Hunam. She wants him.

    • Lola says:

      He is a smart man. He does have his “kinks,” though. I give him “mad props” due to an interview he did ages ago, when he was being accused via his music of provoking the shoot out at a school (can’t recall the name right now), he said one thing that to me rang so true … did anyone listened to the kids before all this took place. More times than non, we don’t listed to teenagers at all. Forgetting that we once were teenagers and that society has changed so much.

  3. notleo says:

    Prior to SOA I had never thought, read about or said MM’s name. I thought his character was odd until I did a bit of research into his career. After having a little bit more knowledge of who he is and what he does, I thought his character was brilliant.

    • Hope says:

      Where do you live that you didn’t know who Marilyn Manson is? Not criticizing, just curious.

      • notleo says:

        I live in the US. I guess what I’m trying to say it that prior to his role on SOA I really never cared enough to read about him, let alone say his name. I was not impressed, but now see him in a different light.

  4. Erinn says:

    I heard him on the Jason Ellis show last week. You know – the guys super messed up – a lot to do with his mother I think – but he’s a smart guy. I find him really interesting to listen to. There was one point where I think his guard was down more and he was saying “I have a hard time being intimate with someone so I don’t have STDs” It seemed – to me anyway – that a lot of his talk about getting all of the women and having as much sex as he does might be exaggerated.

    He also touched on the Billy Corgan thing – it seemed like there was a falling out, but he was saying how he’s good with him now, and that they had a good friendship going.

    He also had said something like “I’m not scared of death. I mean – I don’t want to die. I want to live as long as possible. But I’m not afraid of dying. ” and I liked that. I think a lot of people have that kind of attitude, and it kind of just further normalizes him to me.

    A certain part of me feels pretty bad for him. The munchausen by proxy stuff with his mother seemed to really screw him up. I think he’s one of those people who are just wickedly smart, and they have to keep pushing and pushing the boundaries because they can. He seems like he has a hard time being alone with himself, if that makes sense. He’s dark and he’s too smart for his own good in some ways, and he acts out to get a reaction. As weird and obnoxious as he can be, I have a soft spot for him ever since I saw the video of him talking about Columbine. I’d rather sit down and have a conversation with him than most of the celebrities that are mentioned on here.

    • Dancinancy says:

      His thoughtful article after Columbine is when I started paying attention to him. He is ridiculously smart but isn’t pretentious about it.

      • insomniac says:

        Agreed. He was getting a big part of the blame for Columbine from the media, and I thought he handled himself extremely well.

    • gritsngreens says:

      Red Dragons Erinn!!!
      I thought that interview was really good as well!

      • Erinn says:

        haha, I manage to catch him on my drive home every day. I love when Jason interviews people like him. Sometimes I’ll have to flip because the people on there are just kind of blah. But when he gets someone like Manson it’s great. I liked Jason Mamoa’s too, and the Madden Bros. My drive home isn’t super long, so I end up sitting in the car for a bit if it’s something good lol. I actually went and bought his first book not too long ago – I have to start it soon.

        Nice to see someone else who listens haha – I only know one other besides my husband who listens to him IRL.

    • Lucy says:

      You know who was on my mind the whole time while reading your comment? Kanye. Especially the bit about his mother. Manson is a lot less pretentious, obvs. Or at least he hides it very well.

      • Erinn says:

        I can see that. A lot of Kanye’s issues I think are related back to his upbringing. I have a small soft spot for him as well – he actively makes me angry more often, but every once in a while I catch a glimpse of insecure Kanye and I feel bad.

    • funny he should say he’s scared of stds. he had sex with jenna jameson & i’m pretty sure she said it was without a condom

  5. HoneyBea says:

    I feel bad for Courtney Love! That caption was funny but the woman is constantly been slammed.

  6. Kiddo says:

    What kind of shite is this?

  7. Dorothy#1 says:

    He looks like Lilly Tomlin with all his makeup. That always makes me laugh.

  8. MooHoo says:

    When u see these rockers and hear their music, you think, how cool they are, how above all the crap, and then u read this and realize they all behave and talk like they’re in high school an d there is nothing cool about them whatsoever.

    • Kiddo says:

      Yeah, not feeling the cool so much as the high school. And then Terry Richardson is like the pervy janitor everyone avoids.

      • Dancinancy says:

        His caption for the Terry photo is “How to catch…” Insinutating a predator. Interesting.

      • Kiddo says:

        Rose McGowan is a big scarey career-killer with a vagina, and Terry Richardson is just copacetic. How douchey are these assholes? And as a side-note, I’m not a McGowan fan.

      • littlestar says:

        I definitely side-eye him for hanging out with Richardson.

        And seriously, what is up with creepy Uncle Terry high jacking the celebrities photos he is taking? Must he insert his ugly mug into every photo shoot?

  9. merski says:

    “He said, ‘Why don’t you just act like you’re crazy, but don’t know it, like in real life?’”
    AS IF I needed another reason to love Charlie Hunnam!

  10. bns says:

    I listened to Rose McGowan’s nerdist podcast recently and it was a little off, to say the least. After hearing it I believe the rumors that she lied about her car accident to cover up for her bad plastic surgery.

    • PeaBea says:

      I was about to post this. I have never heard someone so bigheaded and shallow and vapid as Rose. It is only one of two nerdist podcasts where Chris hasn’t introduced the podcast which I translate to mean – if you have nothing nice to say, don’t say it at all!

      • Beatrix says:

        Actually, Rose seemed to have it together as a self-possessed and confident woman back in the day. She was on Stern and talked about the reason why it didn’t work out with Manson and not-so surprisingly it was the same reason it didn’t work out with Dita and then Evan and then…Manson is highly intelligent but also appears to be highly troubled.

        After Rose mangled her face later on, I’m not so sure about her state anymore, but I actually think that has more to do with the vapid nature of LA/Hollywood more than with any possible serious internal struggles.

      • Anni says:

        Wouldn’t be so sure about that, because she was raised in a cult that is known for absuing the children physically, emotionally and sexually. She says that she wasn’t molested, but still has pretty bad memories of that time. And she was homeless when she was only 13 years old. If that isn’t leaving some scars?

  11. Ginger says:

    I never liked him until I read his book years ago. I was surprised to learn that we actually have a ton in common. We are the same age, obsessed with reading and writing, went to a Christian school that we hated, have a father who was in the Air Force in Vietnam, etc. etc. I came away from the book realizing that he is incredibly intelligent. Then I understood why Dita wanted to be his wife. It sucks the way it turned out though. He really hurt her. I find the whole drama with the other rock stars fascinating. It’s so much high schoolish drama really. Courtney slept with all of his friends. They gossip behind each others backs. I’ll be more interested to see how MM’s foray into acting turns out than his music.

  12. Adrien says:

    Brian Hugh comes off as likable on this interview. He should do more acting but his bff hates actor-musicians.

  13. Mrs. Darcy says:

    He wasn’t bad in SOA – not great either, but believable enough as a white supremacist weirdo. I did find the fact that both he and Courtney were cast in the same season distracting from the show though. Too much stunt casting at once. He was also in Californication but I guess he wasn’t really acting as he was just playing himself. I don’t think he’s a very secure man, trash talking women he’s dated is kind of a weak/tacky move. I’m sure Rose would have plenty to say about his underwear around the ankles freakishness.

  14. Jazz says:

    Uncle Terry and a sad clown. And how horrifying is it to know that Marilyn Manson changed your diapers when you were a baby?!

  15. phoenixthecat says:

    And the award for least expected Futurama quote goes to…

  16. mary simon says:

    I heard Howard Stern interview Marilyn Manson years ago and it was very entertaining. I’m not a fan, but Marilyn was very down to earth and funny. I still remember Marilyn telling the story of how his mother left her douche bag hanging in the bath. Marilyn was a kid and did not know what it was, and he would fill the bag up with Coca-Cola and suck on the tip of the applicator while he laid in the tub.

    • laura.e says:

      HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!! omg I Just laughed so hard whilst eating my breakfast I almost choked. HILARIOUS!

  17. Jenna says:

    I absolutely LOVE Marilyn Manson. I’m going to see him live for the third time in less than two weeks and am SUPER stoked. He’s so smart. People don’t give him enough credit!!

  18. tealily says:

    Robert Rodriguez may not have had any movie hits lately, but he’s doing great stuff with Lucha Underground and the El Rey tv network.

  19. Lucy says:

    Well, it looks like many of us want to have a chat with him, right?

  20. kri says:

    LMAO!!!! Charlie Hunnam for the win. Just act like you are crazy..LOL. Oh my god, I now love Charlie.

  21. HoustonGrl says:

    I don’t know about this guy, but I can never empathize with a dude that blames the woman for everything. First, it’s not manly, and second, relationships never end that way.

    • manta says:

      And funny how some other guys pushing 40 dating 20 something ( his age and Evan Rachel Wood’s back when they started dating) are basically called disgusting, preying on poor things barely out of their teens, but he is sooo cool.

      • Veronica says:

        I always wonder how much of men dating down is due to sexual objectification and how much of it is due to women their own age being too old to put up with their crap.

  22. Choupette Lagerfeld says:

    It makes sense that MM and Courtney have always “been weird with each other”, because they’re both major narcissists…and I say that as a big Courtney fan.

  23. carol says:

    I’ve always liked reading interviews with Marilyn Manson and I can sometimes listen to his music. But his makeup is so outdated. He needs a new look or stick with the crazy SOA look. I also met him once at a poetry reading and he was very nice and funny.

  24. PJ says:

    I’ve got to tell you guys, I randomly came across Marilyn’s auto biography (and God love him for actually ADMITTING that a professional writer did dozens of interviews with him but actually re-worked them and put them together as a proper book) and it was one of the most interesting (the STORIES from the 90’s era rock circuit), entertaining, and insightful bios that I have ever read in my life! I honestly couldn’t put it down.

    It also includes tons of artwork and private family/friend photos. And sure, some of the stories in it are disturbing to say the least, but it was so great to hear from the man himself explanations for certain things said about him and learn about the past that lead him to become who he his now. Definitely worth picking up 🙂