As we know, Kanye West has reignited his feud with Taylor Swift. In his new album, he drops the lyric: “For all my Southside n—s who will know me best / I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex / Why, I made that bitch famous / God damn / I made that bitch famous.” The reaction was immediate, and all the sh-t was going down within, like, a 12-hour period. The Swift-defenders yelled “Misogyny!” and the Kanye-defenders yelled “Meh.”
TMZ claimed that Taylor knew ahead of time that Kanye was going to make this lyric reference about her and that she was fine with it. Taylor’s spokesperson ran to People Magazine immediately to refute TMZ’s story and say that no, Taylor actually “cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message. Taylor was never made aware of the actual lyric, ‘I made that bitch famous.’” If she didn’t know the lyric, how did she know it was misogynistic? And if you’re getting the feeling that Kanye specifically designed this sh-t to own like three news cycles with a mountain of free press, you’re probably right. Kanye got on Twitter this morning to correct the record. Here are his tweets, in order:
I did not diss Taylor Swift and I’ve never dissed her…
First thing is I’m an artist and as an artist I will express how I feel with no censorship
2nd thing I asked my wife for her blessings and she was cool with it
3rd thing I called Taylor and had a hour long convo with her about the line and she thought it was funny and gave her blessings
4th Bitch is an endearing term in hip hop like the word N-gga
5th thing I’m not even gone take credit for the idea… it’s actually something Taylor came up with …
She was having dinner with one of our friends who’s name I will keep out of this and she told him
I can’t be mad at Kanye because he made me famous! #FACTS
6th Stop trying to demonize real artist Stop trying to compromise art
That’s why music is so f–king watered down right now I miss that DMX feeling
7th I miss that feeling so that’s what I want to help restore
8th They want to control us with money and perception and mute the culture
but you can see at Madison Square Garden that you can stop us
9th It felt like a seen from The Warriors ALL GODS ALL GODS ALL GODS in the buildin
not just the famous people there but the kids the moms the dads the families that came to share this moment with us
First, a word about Kanye’s lengthy Twitter rants… I feel like he would be better served by simply writing out a statement, posting it as an Instagram and then just linking to it on Twitter. It would save him time and energy with the “2nd… 3rd… 5th” tweets. So, do you believe Kanye’s version of events, or is he just a delusional narcissist stuck in a bubble of his own crazy? We do know that Kanye and Taylor became friendly following the VMAs, and that they spent some time together. Would it be so hard to believe that Kanye called her to give her a heads-up? Meh.
Photo courtesy of Getty.
I think…I think I am done with even reading about him for a bit. He has gone far beyond Capering Nitiwit/Loser Of Twitter Beefs and now quite frankly, he is alarming me.
THIS. I found him quite entertaining so far, but this is too much.
Capering Nitwit. I love this and will add it to my stock of imaginative insults.
But yeah, this shit is getting weird.
“Nitwit”! Love it. He just IS such a nitwit.
I don’t find him funny anymore. I find him a bit alarming and dare I say it, problematic. He might need help of some kind.
Cee, you’re right. He’s not funny anymore. Just annoying. He really needs help.
He was never funny. He’s always been like this. But the fashion elite are too far up his backside, because the “extra” or over-the-top artist is always amusing to have around. . . until they OD or suicide.
I don’t know how anyone can be around him with that much ego, it must really be exhausting
He is such a self involved, entitled and no talent whiney twit. He really needs to leave public life for awhile and grow up.
You’re entitled to your opinion! But, Kanye is talented. Might not be your cup of tea, but it is for many!
Talent can run dry. He comes across as desperate to me for having to reach all the way back to 2009 for something to talk about. The VMAs were almost 7 years ago!
How exactly is he talented? I’m not trying to be a troll, I’m seriously asking. People are so quick to call someone like Britney Spears, Cheryl Cole, Jennifer Lopez, et al. talentless but I think it takes more–or at the very least, the same amount of–talent to get on a stage and pull off choreography (even if you’re miming) than it does to speak some words really fast. I also don’t think that Kanye’s lyrics are especially deep or profound. Why are people that enamored?
Waiting for “my ego is more inflated/than my family lips and butt”.
Kanye is not in touch with reality. He trashes all women all the time! #BOYCOTTKANYE
Yeah, I’m done with him. There’s nothing to defend & hopefully one day he learns to respect women. He’s all yours, Kardashians.
That’s the thing–maybe I’d believe him if he wasn’t always trashing women.
I want to hear what Swift has to say.
Boycott!!! I agree, this guy needs to go away, he doesn’t deserve all that attention
Bitch and N-gga are never terms of endearment under any circumstances.
+1,000,000
You do know the name of this site right? Irony is posting this with the website name just inches above it. Theres clearly room for context. I may not use those words personally but I also understand that the N-ga word could just mean “brotha” and the B word “young woman” depending on the context. Language is dynamic, words acquire new meaning all the time.
Naya
I noticed you said the same in reply to my post in the previous Kanye post. I am going to reply to you here.
Now i have grown up on hip hop. I am a (former) Kanye fan, my fave album of the last year was Kendricks. I am very aware that the word bitch is widely used in hip hop.
But to make this merely about language in hip hop is missing the point i feel.
The revolting stuff that he said about Amber makes it clear that his misogyny isn’t limited to a particular word or hip hop culture. The stuff about Tyga and Kylie was almost endorsing grooming. I could go on.
He has been showing for some time now that his view on women is deeply problematic. We can’t blame this on Hip Hop solely.
And on the note of lyrics in hip hop culture. Kanyes rhymes have become progressively worse. ( Its widely known that he had ghost writers on his first few albums which is probably why his earlier stuff was better and came across less vapid.) These days its all about materialism and namedropping celebrities. He lives in a celebrity bubble and seems incredibly removed from hip hops roots.
Exactly, Naya. Context. The context is exactly why it’s never okay for Kanye or any man to call any woman a bitch. When we log into Celebitchy, it’s with the understanding that all of us might get a little bitchy. I can call myself bitchy as a term of endearment. I might even be able to call a very close female friend bitchy as a term of endearment. But it’s impossible for a man to call a woman a bitch as a term of endearment, due to the fact that there’s a structural power imbalance between men and women. Women have been second-class citizens for quite a while now, and we still have a lot of work to do, so it’s never ‘endearing’ for any man to call a woman a bitch. It’s as impossible for a man to use “bitch” as a term of endearment for women as it is for a white person to use a racial slur as a term of endearment.
And as Leah said above, Kanye has been a blatantly mysoginistic asshole for quite a while now. It’s not some random guy, it’s a man who has made it very clear that he doesn’t respect women time and time again. There is no benefit of the doubt with him anymore, so I don’t know why you want to give him a pass on this so badly.
Shambles said it all.
“it’s never ‘endearing’ for any man to call a woman a bitch.”
^^^^This times a million.^^^^
I agree with both Naya AND Leah. Those words, depending on who says them and to whom, can be terms of endearment. It’s about context.
But because of Kanye’s obviously extreme misogyny, this lyric is just disgusting to me.
It can just mean “brotha” to some black people – but only black people get to decide that.
A non-black person has no business slinging that word around and then telling us, “how silly of you to be offended by me referring to you that way – it’s ok since I was using it as a synonym for homie. Context!”
Similarly, men cannot reclaim a gendered slur like bitch. They don’t get to decide whether it’s an acceptable synonym for “woman”, and they certainly have no business telling any woman that she’s wrong to find it insulting – or worse, that she should consider it an endearment.
Shambles
Great Post you said it so much better!
@shambles
That’s yours any many other ppls opinion. Freedom of speech, freedom of expression…
Many ppl use this as a term of endearment. I believe it’s a generation thing. You don’t get it because you didn’t grow up using it this way. You can’t force your opinion on others. Just be content with your view and expressing it with like minded ppl, and let others use it how they want. Why does this bother ppl? Times always change. Trends always changing. Life changes. It is what it is
@Leah but Naya wasn’t referring to or defending Kanye. The OP said that those two words are not meant as a term of endearment ever and Naya pointed out the name of this site. She also pointed out that in the hip hop world or Black culture those words are at times used as a term of endearment. She was right in saying so. Her statement didn’t have anything to do with Kanye.
Why must people try to equate a derogatory word with a racial slur? It has nothing to do with race. Any race or ethnicity can be a bitch but only certain races can be called a racial slur.
And stop trying to make it ok for a woman to call another woman a bitch as a term of endearment but then say a man can’t do the same.
If a man shouldn’t do it than another woman shouldn’t either. There are even women that call men bitches.
+1…@ Naya and V4Real…That’s what I was trying to say below.
@dream big, bro. I’m 22 years old. It’s not a generational thing. I grew up hearing the word “bitch” just as much as you did, but I don’t see it as a “trend,” I see it as a gross way to make a woman feel less than. I’m not forcing my opinion on anyone, I’m pointing out the fact that women have had to work their assess off for the basic human rights that men have always had, so it’s not ever appropriate for a man to compare a woman to a female dog.
Shambles: awesome! “It’s as impossible for a man to use “bitch” as a term of endearment for women as it is for a white person to use a racial slur as a term of endearment.” This should be all of our responses on every forum to this ridiculous ‘song’.
“Why must people try to equate a derogatory word with a racial slur? It has nothing to do with race. Any race or ethnicity can be a bitch but only certain races can be called a racial slur.
And stop trying to make it ok for a woman to call another woman a bitch as a term of endearment but then say a man can’t do the same.”
I am not sure why you addressing this to me? I haven’t said any of this. I was simply pointing out that his misogyny isn’t limited to lyrics.
@dream
I am 26 years old and … well …Kanye is what? 38-39 years old…. Hes defiently not from the younger generation….
By the way if you educate yourself on the history of hip hop you would know that the use of the word bitch is not something anyone in this generations invented. Its actually very much part of an older generations and some would say a bit tired.
@ dream big- you made a lot of assumptions about Shambles & I’m pleased to find out she’s 22 and not some old grandma clutching her pearls 😉 Comparing derogatory terms from race to sex does makes sense. It’s not apples to apples but it’s a common sense approach since it is one group which has more power in society using a slur to another group that has less power. The group with less power (black people, women, little people, the mentally ill, etc) THEY can reclaim a slur and use it how they like but the people in power who misused the slur for decades does not get to keep the word. I have no issues with black people using the term “N-a” but if I heard a white person say it (Tom Hanks son for example) then I’d say they were out of line. Same with bitch. And yes, times change, so I’m glad to see so many people not buying Kanye’s crap and saying that it is wrong. P.S.- Most of Taylor’s fans are young women and a lot spoke up not agreeing with you so it’s not a blanket generational thing.
@Leah my bad. Only the first part of my comment was meant for you. The rest was a response to the other posters. I should have made that clear.
@Shambles who said” I’m pointing out the fact that women have had to work their assess off for the basic human rights that men have always had, so it’s not ever appropriate for a man to compare a woman to a female dog.
It can also be said that it’s not appropriate for women to compare a man to a douche, a device that was created by a man for women that is used to clean something dirty out of the vagina. The word is heavily used as slang by women and men to describe a man as an ass or obnoxious. But when a man or a woman calls another man a douche some can take it in a way that he is saying that the man is something that goes inside a woman’s vagina to clean her out.
But once again @Naya wasn’t speaking about Kanye she was speaking to the words in general being used as a term of endearment. Since some of you brought the power struggle of society into it because that group (men) is more powerful than the female group. Then perhaps a woman shouldn’t call another woman a bitch. Especially a White woman shouldn’t call a Black woman a Bitch because we can argue about the power that White woman might have over Black women.
@ dream big I find it insulting to my intelligence to be called a bitch or hear someone use the n word. I feel IMO it shows a lack of respect for any human, but u r entitled to ur opinion. Would love to know if you speak like that at work? Kanye is working is he not?
“Would love to know if you speak like that at work?”
I know you weren’t commenting to me but I was reading all the comments.
It’s call code switching. I don’t necessarily go around calling people an ass (which is a donkey) at work either. At work I might say good morning, how are you. Out of work it’s hey, what’s up. It’s called professionalism depending on the field of work you’re in. Out of work I might refer to my friends as my peeps but when I’m in a meeting I’m not saying “Yo peeps let me share my thoughts that are going on inside my noggin.”
Here’s another question to anyone who wants to answer. It’s insulting to call a woman a bitch which is by meaning a female dog. But it’s ok to call anyone an ass which is by meaning a donkey. And let’s not get started with the word people use for cats. Men and women used that word. A female Trump supporter called Cruz that word and Trump repeated it.
@Shambles
I disagree with you there. It depends on the context and the person. Not exactly the gender. Bitch over here, more than anything, means “annoying person”. My bf, brother, dad, and several male colleagues call me that. If I’ve formed a bond of trust with them, I don’t care. I call all those guys bitches as well. If a random woman I don’t know calls me that, I’d be pissed. I don’t know her like that to use the word around me. “Structural power imbalance” doesn’t apply to absolutely every situation a woman and a man are present.
I don’t see any power in words by themselves. You decide what each word means to you.
@Josefina Have you never heard the expression “The pen is mightier than the sword” Words are the most powerful form of communication there is. (although music is pretty powerful too)
Both words being discussed are derogatory. Both words being discussed are slurs. They are equated because, under federal law and the laws of many states, particularly in those states that use a “hostile environment” standard, the same rules are applied by the courts, the EEOC, and state anti-discrimination agencies to determine whether the user employed the terms in a way that was discriminatory to a member of a protected class (race, religion, gender, age, disability, etc.) in an environment that falls under the regulating laws. The courts will listen to the “it’s the culture” argument but it will only take you so far. And once a member of the culture points out that those words are offensive to that member, the use should cease. Immediately. Words most certainly do matter. Words most certainly do harm. No, not saying that Taylor Swift has a cause of action against Kanye West. Just addressing several of the questions and ideas being put forth here.
Let’s not dismiss the context in which this chap uses the B word: He has specifically referred to, and named, individual women – Amber Rose, Taylor Swift and his own wife. He didn’t simply say, “That b***h” or “A b***h”. I think that, in this context, he cannot hide behind this term being part of hip hop culture. Even if he truly sees women this way, how has he not yet learned – given his global influence and the people he does and wants to interact with – to keep such unsavoury comments to himself?
It makes me wonder what goes on behind closed doors, and knowing how children absorb everything that is said and done around them, even if they’re not consciously aware of what’s happening, just what North is being exposed to. How would he react if some random person were to refer to his wife or daughter in this way? Would it still be acceptable because it’s part of the hip hop culture?
It’s doubtful anyone can ever teach him any respect, even though he blathers about it and demands it for himself. A little humility wouldn’t go astray, nor would a long rest at some shangri-la health farm, away from cameras, microphones, lights and social media.
I’ve never felt any endearment vibes from any guy who called me or others in my presence the “b” word.
But those terms are often use as terms of endearment within hip hop. A lot of folks/mainstream media who are not familiar with hip hop culture do not understand that and that’s what Kanye is trying to explain here. I’m not saying it’s ok. I personally do not use them to talk about myself and others but a lot of people do. In some circle a beautiful woman being called a “a bad b*tch” is the highest of compliments. Some people might think that’s misogynistic but for others it just means that she is hot, sexy, beautiful ect… Again I’m not saying it’s right but it’s a thing nonetheless. Context is everything.
Oh, they always make my heart flutter.
In context I made that bitch famous doesn’t sound like a term of endearment.
But it’s not a context I have to accept and internalize, right? If you call me a bad bitch I might endear myself with an uppercut.
@Aarika(hey from Ericka lol)
Thank you for saying it better than I can! Ppl need to understand its a generation thing as well. Do we get all the terms and trends from the past? No! Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but don’t push your opinion as facts.
I believe taking words that are seen as negative, turning them into endearing words, is our generations thing. Kills me that this is what ppl cry about(sh*t that doesn’t apply to them).
fingerbinger +1
The lyrics are there sand the do not sound like he even half-likes TS.
We know the context in which he interrupted her in the awards to suck up to Beyonce. I wonder if he would call Beyonce a “bitch”.
@shambles you’re 22, girl you don’t know everything! You’re acting like I’m coming at you for your opinion! I have to watch what I say carefully because I don’t want to offend you. A whole bunch of ppl talk this way, use these terms. Just because the way you grew up and around is different….
That’s all it is. We are all different. Have different experiences. I don’t believe words set us back. Bigger issues out here to be upset about. No one who using these terms or thinks this way is hurting the equal rights/feminist movements. Silly to think it is. There will always be small minded, ignorant/arrogant ppl. Change happens with or without them.
Again you are making big assumptions. Kanyes mother was an english professor. Hes not some poor kid from the ghetto. He didn’t grow up this way.
Yes there are people who talk like this, but the ridiculous thing is that theres a lot of middle class kids who talk like this because it makes them feel edgy.
@Dream big.
Speak for yourself
Not everyone in this generation is into this vapid, vacant, uneducated kardashians crap.
Kim and Kanye are the Marie antoinette and King Louis of rap. Capitalism in human form.
@Dream Big,
Of course, you are free to use whatever words you wish in the culture of your own home. But once you move into other “cultures”, like a work environment, a housing situation, or the general public, different standards, by law, apply. Words do matter. Words can cost a great deal. In a workplace environment, if Kanye were the manager or an employee, the words he used, be they used about a customer, another employee or just conversation, could cost the corporation a great deal and they could cost him his job.
Late to the party here, but @Aaricka, can you really discuss “bitch” being a term of endearment in hip hop and not discuss how deeply, deeply misogynistic the vast majority of hip hop is? While there are of course exceptions, it’s an art form that very frequently treats women as disposable sex objects that are just out for a free ride. Even IF it was used as a term of endearment (which I personally disagree with, knowing how Kanye typically speaks about women) how can you ignore that it’s still coming from an extremely derogatory context?
“Would it be so hard to believe that Kanye called her to give her a heads-up? ”
Yes once again Kanye is back tracking because of the negative feedback. He wants the attention, but doesn’t want the negative feedback to effect his album sales.
(Every))thing. Kanye is a vile POS.
He made her famous while she received a Grammy award? Illogical, irrational and confoundingly ignorant. In other words–quintessential Kanye.
Isn’t is odd that this fact isn’t being mentioned more?
Dear lord step away from that keyboard!
Being an artist doesn’t mean twisting the truth, taking rapists’ sides or hiding being lyrics.
Truth is he needs celebrities’ names to sell his album and his shitty clothes and stay relevant.
He’s such a sore loser.
So he interrupts her acceptance speech to tell her and the world that she wasn’t good enough to win, and now raps that she should be so grateful for him making her famous that she should screw him. Am I getting that right? Lordy, good god almighty, how is that not a diss? Kanye makes my head hurt.
This.
+100000
Apparently so. Everyone is in a tizzy about the use of the word “bitch” when the worst part is he seems to assume that she owes him sex. Yeah, that incident was great publicity for her and she milked it for all it was worth, but that doesn’t mean she somehow owes him her body. THAT is the problem. Calling someone a bitch is pretty mundane, assuming a woman owes you sex because you did her a favor (real or perceived) is not.
I do not think that incident was really publicity valuable around the world, or outside the US.
She was going to be very famous thanks to her sticky tunes, anyway. Lots of kids I know have sung her songs and they have no idea who Kanye is, or they never saw that show years ago.
He…is….just disgusting. I have no tolerance for men who find ways to make women whores, while propping themselves up. He can take all the gold stars from Misogyny 101 and shove them right up his ass. *Snickers..with the fingers. #fingersinthebootyassbitch
Sorry, I had to.
“Everyone is in a tizzy about the use of the word “bitch” when the worst part is he seems to assume that she owes him sex.”
everyone’s is pointing out both.
“Calling someone a bitch is pretty mundane”
That’s the problem.
@Ennie, That’s because her music is neither here nor there. His music is Amurrrrican. 2004, College Dropout was everywhere. Jesus Walks was huge. Golddigger was huge. Kanye is a bigger figure in his musical genre than TS is in hers….which isn’t entirely clear.
My point is I’m not surprised if Jesus Walks didn’t make it big in, say, France but Shake It Off did.
@Greenieweenie, I do not live in the US, but I used to listen to hip hop here and there besides other type of music. I can tell you for real there is not a Kanye song that I can recall at all, especially any older song (only exception the yelling entrance of that video where he (or his electronic self?) is dancing naked in one of his lasts cds whats the name of that? checking… oh, black skinhead, and the one with the ridiculous video of him and KK that I saw for fun.
I really do not wan to give him any clicks nowadays.
I work with teens , and a year ago, some of them, the ones who are not into pop in English, but like to listen to “harder” stuff, were twerking to the tunes of nicky Minaj, or Rihanna, and they love the song from F&F, the one from Whiz Khalifa. I really do not see many them listening to Kanye.
The only place I have heard of him in my native language and it is not about his music is in a site that tells news in the way of joking (The soup style). The guy trashes Kan-ye every opportunity he can.
I laugh because I know all the dirt from CB!
See that pic of him in the red shirt with his arms crossed??? Someone please photoshop that into a white restraining jacket cuz Kanye = Krazy. Period.
He has this habit of poppin off at the mouth and saying some for real crazy ish and then backtracking. Que the Wifey to swoop in and play nice ala Amber Rose meet up sesh. Kim’s new responsibilities is to run around an d put out of these Kanye fires in order to save her own name.
But he said Kim knew all about it and gave her blessings. Nice way to drag the mother of your children into your mud, Kanye.
Who would be okay with being called a bitch and having someone say they should have sex with you because they “made you famous”? Why can’t we just call out Kanye for being the misogynistic asshat that he is? Why should we think Taylor was somehow in on it?
Problem with Kanye is that he wants to have freedom of expression and test the limits of what he can say. But he can’t take it when someone criticizes him back. Sorry Kanye but speaking one’s mind goes both ways!
^ This so much this and that is why he fits in perfectly with the Kardashian family.
Exactly. Being told “hey that thing you just said was very misogynistic” is NOT censorship. He wants to say what he wants, but wants to silence everyone who might not agree with him.
Yeah, like he is expecting that everyone should be just “wow, how Kanye pushes the boundaries of society, this is truly art” and then just sit in silence and not question anything he does. At first I thought he was just trolling, but now I think he suffers from a heavy bout of delusional.
Talyor opened this can of worms herself by trying to friend him on her crazy squad quest. He’s not trustworthy
This. When someone tells you who they are – believe them.
I agree with whoever said they don’t think Kanye ever ‘forgave’ her and has probably been stewing since ’09 that he was silenced and punished and she went on to success.
Taylor should have seen Kanye for who he is and kept it moving.
What did he have to forgive HER for???
Edited to add, that I understand you are just framing things from Kanye’s perspective and you don’t necessarily think that she owed Kanye an apology.
I asked the same thing on the other thread, how could Taylor know that the song was misogynistic without hearing that line? Methinks that Taylor knew the exact lyrics and clearly didn’t condone the, but now she can’t admit of fully knowing everything.
If someone had told me that the Kanye of the College Dropout and Late Registration would end up doing stuff like this to sell his albums I wouldn’t have believed it.
Well it was already known weeks ago that he wort a song about her just like it is known that he also wrote a song about Amber Rose on the album. With her contacts, her PR team could have gotten an advance copy to hear what he said about her.
Kanye maybe told Taylor he was going to use her name in a song. She probably didn’t know what the actual lyric was. Do you believe that Kanye the real artist was trying to get his lyrics preapproved? No way would he do that.
Yes but she said she cautioned him regarding the song being misogynistic, so she must have heard some of it. How did she determine that it was if she didn’t?
If she heard a song it could have been a different version. What she thought was misogyny could be the line about Kim. A few here have pointed out that he’s changed the name of the cd several times. It’s not a stretch to think that there could several versions of this song.
As I said above It was publicly known that he written a song about her, Amber Rose and others for over a month. With her contracts she or her PR team could have had an advance copy sent over to hear it or Kanye sent a copy. That’s how she knew that it was Misogynistic and was not ok with it.
@FingerBinger… You are right that could very well be true. Judging from some of the lyrics Kanye seem to have been working on that album the night before so he could have changed the lyrics for sure.
Even if she knew the exact lyric that doesn’t mean she got his approval or could stop him.
Plus this man changed album titles four times, what’s to say he didn’t change lyrics and she didn’t know what was going to be on the album?
If someone objects to Kanye , he wouldn’t listen anyways. He thinks he’s a God so he would just do what he wanted regardless, thinking “oh I know what’s best, I’m a genius”. I have a feeling Kanye may have told Taylor in some sort of manner about his ideas (but not verbatim for sure) and she tried to be political about it without coming right out and saying hell no. Plus he seems manic and goes back and forth so who even knows what he was saying or told her in the first place. As of last week he was still writing these songs. He has lyrics about Chyna and Rob, lyrics about Ray-J and so forth so Kanye is well aware of what he is doing.
+1… I have a feeling that Taylor knew about it but she cannot admit to it because she would get roasted for condoning misogynistic lyrics being such a “feminist” and all about girl power. Plus it’s much much advantageous for Taylor to play the damsel in distress being bullied by Big Bad Kanye. Her fans and press eat that sh*t up and she knows it.
Question: Are the lyrics about Ray J and him messing with Kim in the same song? If so, he could have told Taylor about those lyrics and that’s why her publicist made the comment about being mysoginistic. Just a thought.
I’m waiting for the big one, the total breakdown, when Kardashian NDAs and legal counsel fall by the wayside. When he really loses it and runs his mouth to the lengths we’ve never seen. It’s coming. I give the Kardashian Kanye agreement about 2 years, tops.
“I am an artist and as an artist I will express how I feel with no censorship.” Just no. There people who can make that claim and you are not one of them. Yeezy might want take a look at David Bowie as an example of an artist.
Mister Artist can, and does, say whatever he wants. He is NOT being censored. He is being CRITICIZED because he is a pig. Feel free to be a pig, by all means, and the rest of the world will feel free to call out your piggery.
Why are we even giving this douch canoe a platform? His Tweets are abusive and his ego needs a check. While MDTF album may have been genius, these days he’s a mysgonistic a-hole with a God complex who thinks he “owns” people. I’m with poster above. ^^ #BoycottKanye
Why does it matter His Wife was Ok with it?/ is she his feminist filter now?? he coulda asked his wife about coming for Amber since that is something where they have Parity and such but this??!!
also Shut Up Just SHUT UP
Exactly! Where was censor Kim when you were slut shaming your ex?
I agree, if Taylor didn’t know the lyric, how did she know the song would be misogynist? He obviously called her. Regardless, he shouldn’t have wrote the lyric but I won’t be victimizing Taylor.
Yeah I was wondering how she concluded that the song had “such a strong misogynistic message” if she didn’t know about the lyrics.
Do I need to get my head checked? Because actually I kinda believe what he said about Taylor Swift. I’ll say that she probably didn’t phrase it like that but she’s as calculating as they come and she rode that publicity wave he gave her hard. I do not, however, think thathe song is ok and I don’t buy his “oh it’s a compliment” reasoning. I’m just saying; I could totally see TS agreeing to that line so she can be the victim again and all her “friends” can get hysterical. Whether she did give the ok or not I bet she’s livid that ‘Ye put that story on the internet.
…the issue I have with that logic is, granted Kanye is nuts, but It doesn’t take a genius to see that IF it went down that way then Kanye willingly and knowingly allowed himself to be painted as a black villain for what? For who?
What is the financial incentive?
Like Kaiser said in the other post the last time he interrupted her hit him HARD. He did have to go on an apology tour. He did have to go away for a while. His name was trashed.
So he signed up for that again and Taylor signed up to possibly lose half her friends/fanbase that she’s worked so hard to get? Girl has been fighting like hell to be seen as cool and get in with the hip hop circle and now it’s going to end up being her or him for many of the folks she wants cooperation from.
@The Eternal Side-Eye, I agree with you.
What does Taylor gain from letting herself be called a bitch or have Kanye say he might still have sex with her? Taylor has a young fanbase, which she acknowledges and respects. Even on her “grown up” album, the most risque lyrics are “his clothes are in my room.” Taylor doesn’t need to go there.
On the other hand, we have Kanye who is beginning to act A LOT like his wife’s family. Let’s not forget this man just recently tweeted that Bill Cosby is innocent because he wanted attention. Kanye is becoming a hype beast and I think we’re going to see a lot of dumb ass behavior from him as he tries to manipulate the media at his leisure.
This completely.
Once again, ESE’s logic and pragmatism wins.
Thank you Kitten.
As calculating as Tyalor is she would never be ok with those lyrics being written about her, other women yes her no. The only thing I will buy is that Kanye told her he was writing a song about her and that’s it.
So, you are saying that yes, it’s not ok for Kanye to have done that, but yes, she asked for it?
ok, lets focus on that…
poor Kanye… Taylor mislead him… he is too innocent..
So he has this weird line about taylor. Has a gross line about his wife AND talks about his ex on the new album
Kanye step away from the mic and twitter and go to therapy
So with everything we’ve seen and heard from Kanye in the last few months were really going to believe not only did Taylor know about these lyrics but she actually came up with them herself.
Yup, okay, the girl doesn’t even mention sex in her own songs even when she’s excruciatingly implying it but she was like, “Lolololol you know what’d be so funny? If you insulted me further and said how I should have sex with you cause YOU made me famous.”
Come on now, that’s taking trying to defend Kanye to weak unbelievable levels.
As for how she knew it was misogynistic if she didn’t know the lyrics? Well, I think even the most basic description of the song would get that point across. I’ve seen five lyrics from the album and they’re all a wave of misogyny – and those are the ones about his wife.
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Celebrities get eviscerated for less. This defense of Kanye is odd.
The defense of Kanye is always odd and frankly I can’t understand it at all. People really defend anything this man says or does, regardless of how misogynistic and disgusting he acts.
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I completely agree.
What if someone wrote similar lyrics about his late mother*? Would he be OK with that?
* I don’t think he cares enough about his wife and his daughter is probably a possession. His mother might be the only female he has ever respected at all. Maybe.
What happens when North grows up and starts using those 2 words on her parents, or her teachers? It is a term of endearment apparently. This man doesn’t think.
I don’t really like Taylor but I don’t think she would have been fine with this lyric. It’s sexist and insulting. I mean, she gets enough attention herself these days with her blind item songs and love life, I don’t think she was dying for more Kanye related PR.
Are people defending Kanye based solely on their admiration of Kanye, or are they defending Kanye by way of hating Taylor? Or both?
Both I think, honestly.
I think some folks think he’s still got one good ‘triumph’ left in him but I see a frustrated man’s fits of rage.
In his mind his is right, so I will not take time to decipher his stupidity, all of these people are calculating and exhausting and in this moment looking into his lost eyes I realized that I need space from computer and all gossip for at least a few months because I feel like his douche is infecting me in some way and if I hear his name on more time I’m going to lose my shit in a big way. #it’snotmeit’sKanye. (Sorry for the run on sentence, this is my version of dramatic, lol)
I am of two sides here. One side he never should have said anything.
On the other, Swifty is the world’s wealthiest victim and now will never go away.
If we believe Taylor’s side, then she could have felt it was misogynistic about the whole “sleeping with her” thing. Perhaps Kanye got pissed and added the “bitch” line.
But I could also see Taylor perhaps making a joke at a function/dinner at sorts that he made her famous. And Kanye (with his huge ego) ran with it.
His rambling streams of thought remind me of me when I was drinking. He is either not sane or not sober.
I think he drinks and hits the pipe but that’s just me.I know someone that does and acts just like this.
Taylor Swift is to feminism as Kanye West is to racism.
Both wax poetic on their respective topics but they’re both really saying, “Don’t criticize ME. Don’t judge ME. MY choices are always right.” and then try to pin their insecurities on issues much bigger than their songs and persona.
Kanye is all about the people mom’s and dads and families – who can afford his shoes, if you can’t oh well, but do please come out and support him.
Also Kanye, DMX never apologized for a thing he was unapologetic, raw, and NOT trying to be mainstream. He didn’t talk about his art a million times. He just made his music for better or worse. This is why I laugh everytime you try to make this a black thing. You crave white approval and success so much and when you can’t get it suddenly you’re ranting about how they don’t appreciate your art.
You have spoken no lies! In fact, I don’t think you ever do! Kanye has made it harder and harder to be his fan.
That friend in common is probably Jay Z.
And I hate that I know this, but Amber Rose recently IGed that DMX is her fave rapper of all time. Plot thickens.
Put a sock in it, Kanye. One of Rob’s socks if you have to. Just find SOMETHING that will prevent you from talking, tweeting, instagraming, facebooking etc. We’re tired of you. Goodbye ✋🏾
Nothing burns me up more than having to defend T Swift. But a jerk is a jerk and a misogynist is a misigynist and I call it like I see it. He has greatly contributed to my annoyance this fine Friday morning.
This +10000
Take his twitter away
My turn for a rant!
First of all, Kanye used to take credit for being the guy who made it OK for men to wear pink. This is when he first hit it big, he was very vocal about how hip hop culture is quick to throw around derogatory words for gay men, and how badly gay men were treated in hip hop. This was a barrier he credited himself with breaking…. so someone PLEASE help me understand why Kanye, who believes himself this masterful artist, cannot find it within himself to go against the grain when it comes to how WOMEN are perceived and treated in hip hop? Mr. “I am a God” can’t be the one to make the effort to stop misogyny in hip hop? He can’t help but perpetuate it? This is a man who has married into a family that’s made up of women entirely–which is obviously very appealing to him since he clearly thinks he’s the man of the house now, I mean he’s officially using them all as his Barbie dolls–but even in his position being the father of a daughter, he still can’t see the problem here?
Second, my favorite (sarcasm) video from the show that I saw last night had North standing there while the speakers blared “I made that bitch famous.” I don’t think I need to elaborate here. Not only does a child not belong at a fashion show with music that loud playing, she also doesn’t belong at a show with music with those lyrics blaring.
Third, I don’t buy for even a second that Taylor came up with the idea or that she had a clue or that she was cool with it. Let’s not forget that a few days ago Kanye took a page out of the Kardashian playbook and tweeted “Bill Cosby is innocent!” in an effort to get some extra press and get people talking. I run hot and cold with Kanye, but he’s turning into his wife and her family in a lot of ways that I find gross and hard to respect.
Four, hot off the heels of getting called out for his obsession with Amber Rose and his blatant issues with women, Kanye chooses to drag up yet ANOTHER woman he has had issues with in the past. I need a Kanye stan to explain to me how and why Kanye thinks he owns women. He thinks Amber owes her existence to him, he thinks Taylor owes her existence to him and he clearly has NO respect for women.
Five, Kanye is STILL talking about other men his wife has slept with. You know, my own father told me once probably right around the age that I needed to hear it, that no man or even woman has a right to ask who you’ve been with or how many partners you’ve had and that a person worth being with would have enough class not to ask because it isn’t their business. Maybe someone should run the same idea past Kanye. Kim’s her own damn woman she doesn’t need him talking about her sex life with other people. Everyone wants to say how Kanye loves his family oh so much yet here he is rapping about Kim’s sex life before him, calling women bitches, slut shaming his ex, and enforcing his dress code on not only his wife, but all the women in her family.
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I agree with most of what you said, but I take issue with this line:
“that no man or even woman has a right to ask who you’ve been with or how many partners you’ve had and that a person worth being with would have enough class not to ask because it isn’t their business.”
A person you are potentially going to be sexually intimate with has every right to ask you who you’ve been with and how many partners you have had. They also have every right to ask you if you have STDs and when the last time you got tested was. And how often and what kind of protection you use. They also have every right to refuse to have sex with you based on those answers.
Yes, it’s judging you for your sexual past, but out of protection of their own body. Your sexual past is absolutely their business if they are going to have sex with you.
If a man refused to answer those questions and got offended because I was “judging him” that would be a huge red flag for me and I wouldn’t have sex with him out of fear I would be exposed to diseases.
“A person you are potentially going to be sexually intimate with has every right to ask you who you’ve been with and how many partners you have had.”
no. you have no right on other people’s past, to imply otherwise is controlling and ridiculous. you have the right to ask your partner to take a test to see if they have any stds. you have the right to choose whatever contraception works better for you. you have the right not to sleep with someone if their refusal to comply to your questions bothers you. but you do not have the right to someone’s past sexual experiences. i’m the opposite of you, what would send red flags to me would be someone asking me such questions. if you need to dig that much into my past, then i’d probably rather not sleep with you at all. i decide what and how i share my experiences.
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@ell:
Saying you disagree with me is one thing, but attacking me and my opinion as “ridiculous” is rude and unnecessary.
I think one does have a right to ask one’s sexual partners how many partners they have had. I think it should be a discussion two people have before getting sexually intimate. As should the STD discussion, the protection discussion, the “what you like” discussion, the safe word discussion, etc. All of these things are things, I think, people should discuss with their partners before getting sexually intimate with them (but that’s just me).
I want a partner who is willing and wants to have these conversations before getting intimate. I want a partner who not only doesn’t think it’s weird that I make them sign a consent form before getting sexual intimate but likes and wants that. If a man is not willing to answer those questions and sign the consent form, then I don’t want to have sex with him. Likewise, if he doesn’t like that I ask those questions and/or ask him to sign the consent form, then he shouldn’t have sex with me. We want two different things from a sexual encounter which means we shouldn’t be having sex.
You said asking these questions is “controlling”. Well, I like being in control of my body and who has access to it, and my sexual health is very important to me. I want to know my partner’s sexual history before getting sexual intimate with them.
Clearly, ell, we want two different things from our respective sexual partners, and that’s fine. We can agree to disagree. You do you, I’ll do me. But, again, there is no need to be rude about your disagreement with me.
PS. I think judging people one is not having sex with based on their sexual history is a different issue. No one should be judged by random strangers, friends, etc as a good person or a bad person based on how many or how few sexual partners they have had. Because in that case, one’s sexual history is not their business.
But sexual partners are different. One’s sexual partner’s sexual history is one’s business.
@Trixie – if it’s really like that for you, that’s why STD tests exist.
I think it’s actually a matter of personal preference. Some people don’t care how many partners their partner has had as long as they were safe and protected. Forgive me if I’m wrong, but your comment directly implies that you would think less of a partner if they didn’t want to disclose the amount of people they’ve had sex with, or if they’ve had a lengthy number of sexual partners, and this is exactly what I’m stating is a problem in MY personal opinion. A woman or man could have as few as 2 partners but still feel like that part of their past is not any of their current partner’s business. Choosing not to disclose that information doesn’t mean that someone has been promiscuous or unsafe. It is our jobs to make sure that we are safe when we have sex, it is NOT our jobs to be investigators and ask for a sexual resume from our partners. It is each individual’s choice whether or not he or she wants to discuss their sexual history. The only information that is owed to you is whether or not they’re healthy and STD/STI-free.
If Kim or any woman had sex with an entire football team but she was safe and unharmed, does that make her less of a person? What if she was young and has changed and no longer engages in that behavior? What if you met a man or woman who is a “born-again virgin” choosing to abstain from sex, but they had previously engaged in a lot of safe sex? This is why I actually think my dad’s advice was great–because discussing this information tends to only serve as creating problems where there wouldn’t be any, and it’s all because someone is judging you for your past which did not and does not involve them. We live in a society where a woman with too many partners is viewed as damaged goods. Each individual sets their own standard as to what “too many” is and then each woman is judged based on that. This is why my father gave me that advice and I love him for his open mindedness and his effort to protect his daughter from ever being slut shamed, whether or not I ever was promiscuous. What if you met the love of your life and he had previously been promiscuous but safe, and finding this out caused you to judge him and potentially end a perfectly good relationship all because of something that occurred before you? (I don’t actually mean you, I’m just generalizing).
Again, this is a matter of personal preference and ideas. This is why I take issue with Kanye constantly slut shaming Amber. Her past as a stripper really wasn’t his business despite the fact that he knew about her past when they dated because she chose to share that with him. Amber didn’t OWE Kanye the information that she was once a stripper. Kim’s past as staring in a sex tape obviously introduced the world to her in a sexual manner, but does that mean that her husband has an automatic right to rap about the men she has slept with for the rest of their lives?
I completely understand what you’re saying in regards to safety, but ultimately what you SHOULD know about your partner is that they’re healthy and safe for you to be with. Not who they were with, how many times, when and where. People are entitled to privacy and a past that doesn’t necessarily involve their present or future. Being with someone doesn’t automatically give you the rights to their entire history, unless that is something that the individual is OK with sharing. Again, like I said and @ell said as well, that is why STD tests exist.
I would not engage in any sexual activity with a man who refused to talk about his sexual past. I have seen and comforted too many people in my life, who did not ask those questions who had their partner’s past sexual proclivities come back painfully in their face and leave them feeling so vulnerable and pissed off. I have one body and one life and if men do not want to tell me certain things about their sexual past, that is definitely their right…and it is my right to walk away..and I have with no hard feelings. We all have our values and boundaries and are entitled to them. My father told me it was right and responsible to investigate anyone who I may share my heart and body with…and if a man doesn’t like me because he finds my sexual past repulsive. i’ve thinned “the herd” and saved myself a whole lotta bs. I have had a guy tell me that he had 38 sexual partners in the past 6 months…. and wanted to have unprotected sex with me…I didn’t care if he was “clean”..I was outta there…it was something that made me uncomfortable especially as he was so willingly to engage in unprotected sex with me…that was a fence I wasn’t willing to jump.
Bravo!
By writing these lyrics he has effectually slut shamed his own wife
He’s a hypocrite.
He did not make Taylor Swift famous. The night he ambushed her on stage, she was receiving an AWARD. People already knew who she was.
Secondly, why get mad when people say Ray-J made your wife famous then?
If you don’t agree with censorship, why do you Kanye, try to censor other artists (hello Wiz Khalifa).
His wife gave her blessing to this mess? Way to fail at raising a strong daughter and a son who respects women, Kim!
I HATE when musicians do something inflammatory for attention and then cry “censorship” over their precious “art.” No, Kanye, just no.
What about Taylor’s brothers video where he threw his Yeezy sneakers in the trash in response to the line??
Yes, brilliant ! Remember when Kanye said President Obama calls him on his home phone line? Obama quickly shut down that lie. Kanye and his Kardashian Kult are all liars.
He’s a decent producer but a shit rapper.
All his moronic fanboys like him because of the production. They’ll claim this is masterpiece even though the lyrics are about interesting as the
Diary of a spotty 13 year old boy. He should have stayed a producer, he literally has nothing to say.
@Hannah, I’ve always felt this way too. Love Kanye as a producer, always find his vocals to be incredibly weak and stupid. Kanye was told for years that he could never be a rapper, which he still talks about. His vocals are always the weakest when other artists are on a track with him.
This, this , this.
Yes. And he can be making money hand over fist if he would just stick to writing and producing and shutting the hell up.
First of all, madison square garden was filled with paid seat fillers. I know this because I signed up with the production website that did the vmas in Brooklyn. I still get the emails. Those people were paid 50 to 80 dollars cash. That’s not enough money for me to waste a second of my life in the same room with those people.
Second of all, no. Just no. No. No. No. No. No. No.
Third of all, kanye can’t compare himself to dmx. His fire was raw and passionate and whatever fire kanye had died after my beautiful dark twisted fantasy. You never questioned dmx because you could feel his words.
This is the same p.o.s. that went after Wiz and Amber over a misunderstanding on twitter. Yet he thinks he has the right to say anything he wants about anyone else? Hypocrite to the fullest.
I know most people in this site can’t stand Taylor, but the ones giving Kanye a pass on misogyny because of this, it’s just a big no.
Paula was also cool with the Blurred Lines video and look how well that whole thing turned out…
1) That line about Taylor is gross and if she thought it was funny, or oh my god came up with it herself, then I am no longer a Taylor Swift fan.
2) As a man, Kanye does not get to decide which sexist words are “endearing” to women. I do not think the word “bitch” is endearing. It is an insult.
As a white woman, I would never tell other races which racial slurs they should find “endearing” because I would not have the same feelings about those words as they do (I can understand that certain words are insulting and know not to use them because I don’t want to insult others, but I wouldn’t have the same visceral response). I also could never do that without being called racist, in the same way Kanye can’t tell women which sexist words to find “endearing” without being called sexist.
He hates women. He must. Even when he beefed with Wiz, he attacked Wiz’s ex and didn’t really attack Wiz for anything personally. What’s that about? Does he see women as the lesser sex and therefor easy targets? No wonder he loves Kim. She’s probably very obedient, just the way he likes them ! Now I know why Amber dumped his ass !
I pray we are witnessing the downfall of this POS.
If she were still around, what would Kanye’s mom think of her son’s “artistry”?
Tbh, I think she probably thought her little boy could do no wrong is may be partially responsible for why his ego is so out of control.
His “artistry”? Eff that. If I were his mother, I’d be ashamed of his *intellect*.
I am not sure if you can even believe him he’s been caught in lies before.
He lied about calling Obama on his home line. The president called him out on that lie.
He’s a lot like his in laws.
1. You cannot say or write whatever you want in the name of artistic expression, the law does not protect you from libel and/or slander, free speech ain’t free , opening your mouth and speaking garbage comes at a cost.
2. Your wife would sell your children and modify anything on her body down to the molecular level, so her being cool with your stupidity is no endorsement whatsoever.
3. If Taylor really was ok with those lyrics–she is seriously F–d up in the head and you’re still f–d in the head for writing it.
4. N–a and bitch are not terms used affectionately by anyone with any g–damn sense.
5. If this is true ..see #3. Taylor would be as written in Pride and Prejudice “….one of those young ladies who seek to recommend themselves to the other sex by undervaluing their own; and with many men, I dare say, it succeeds. But, in my opinion, it is a paltry device, a very mean art.”
6. Say the names Kanye…..receipts or it isn’t true #FACTS
Art is not a bitch -filled word salad of complete and utter narcissism used to demean an entire gender
7. Rap about the missing girls in Nigeria, rap about the number of black women raising children alone in our community, rap about the fact that there are increasing numbers of college educated black women… rap and bring attention to the strength, courage, loyalty and beauty of women–especially black women..honor us, DEFEND us…restore that !!!
8. You married and had 2 CHILDREN with someone whom is the epitome of vapid and of conspicuous consumption … you wouldn’t know culture even if I locked you in the Smithsonian for 30 days straight.
9. HUH ??
This is perfect.
It’s ironic that after everything Kanye has said to/about women, including Bill Cosby’s victims and Amber Rose, it’s him coming for America’s Sweetheart – again!- that finally drives people off the edge.
I mean, he said far worse about Amber but a lot of people (not everyone, mind, but a lot) clutching their pearls over Taylor Swift now, were all *kanyeshrug* when he was saying he needed 30 showers and telling her he owned her child.
I was done with Kanye when he said Tyga ” got in early” in regards to dating Kylie… absolutely repulsive !! But, yeah..he speaks about Taylor and people are ready to come outta their skin.
Ive been done with Kanye for a long time. I mean sometimes I might something like “Im not shocked” cause at this point Im really not. But, I havent cared for his behaviour in a long time.
Literally the mildest rap “diss” ever written, misogynist or otherwise. Relax and pick your battles, people.
Too much “Affluenza” going on in his head.
Kanye needs some mental health help. He has destroyed his own career. I feel the man lost his mother and completely lost it.
Kanye needs to grow up and get a backbone. Oh one more thing B***h is not a endearing term. It is demeaning and sickening.