Jeffrey Dean Morgan on TWD: ‘I have to trust… writers know what they’re doing’


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Spoilers for Sunday’s season six finale of The Walking Dead
Sunday’s episode of The Walking Dead was extremely frustrating for fans in that we knew that someone would die at the wrong end of Negan’s barbwire bat, Lucille, and were waiting to see who it was. In the actual finale we got to see the other end of this scene, from the victim’s perspective, and were given scant few clues as to whom this could be. We’ll have to wait until TWD returns in October to see who died. Producers had teased enough of this episode that we knew that this roughly paralleled a a disturbing scene in issue 100 where Glen dies. I was so upset after reading this that I stopped buying the comics and don’t know what happens after that point. So the rest of TWD is going to be a surprise to me (not that they always follow the comics), should I chose to continue watching it. I’m honestly torn. I’m still so pissed off at showrunners and writers for pulling this cheap trick.

Jeffery Dean Morgan, who plays big baddie Negan, feels our pain. In a conference call yesterday with reporters, he parroted some of the same talking points that showrunner Scott Gimple and Comic creator Robert Kirkman gave on Talking Dead Sunday night – that the story was about Rick’s fall from power, not whomever got killed by Negan, and about Negan’s ascendency to Rick’s place. That point was so weak, they knew they were manipulating us. Morgan also explained that he understands the fans’ frustration. It sounds like he’s more concerned about touting the party line, which makes sense considering who’s paying his salary. Here’s more:

Taking part in a conference call with reporters the morning after his big debut, Morgan shared his thoughts on the episode’s lack of resolution. “I didn’t know it was going to be a cliffhanger until I watched the show. That’s just how it’s done in my world. I don’t know if any of the cast knew exactly how it was going to end, which caused the uncertainty and emotion that was going on,” he said. “That said, in talking with [executive producers] Scott [Gimple] and Robert [Kirkman], I think that they’re explanation was that it was the end of the story for that season, and that is that Rick has kind of lost control. And then there’s Negan. And Negan has all the control. I think that’s where they wanted to end the story and it’s not about the death of that person…I understand the fans frustration. I get that, that being said…I have to trust these writers and showrunners that they know what they’re doing.”

Morgan also shared that, while viewers were spared the gory details of Negan’s skull-bashing last night in favor of the cliffhanger, he expects season seven to kick off in bloody fashion. “That would be the hope, yeah. That’s the impression I have, that we will pick up directly from what we saw, that season six ended on that note and season seven is going to pick up right where we left off,” he said. “So, yeah, you’re going to see who’s at the end of that bat, and what happened from there.”

Might we learn a little of Negan’s backstory while we’re at it? Morgan certainly hopes so. “I talked to Robert Kirkman after we did Talking Dead and he is kind of doing the backstory of Negan now, so whether or not or when we see that—I hope we do, I can’t answer that,” he admitted. “But hopefully we’ll find out more about Negan as we go. I mean, I think his backstory is going to be pretty fascinating.”

When asked whether or not he’s playing Negan as a bad guy, Morgan shied away from that comparison. “I never approach it like he’s the bad guy. I approach it like he’s a guy. Especially in a world like the zombie apocalypse,” he said. “I feel like he’s a guy who, I think the back story of Negan is that he used to be a used car salesman. That’s what I know and there’s not a whole lot beyond that.”

“I think that there’s a lot of similarities between him and Rick,” Morgan added. “If we were following Negan’s story from day one on The Walking Dead, the audience would be rooting for him.”

[From E! Online]

That was a point that Morgan made during his appearance on Talking Dead too – that Rick and Negan really aren’t that different. That’s especially true after this season, when we’ve seen Rick brutally take down rival gangs. Imagine Rick in Negan’s place. As Morgan said on TD, Rick’s group had killed over 20 of Negan’s people. If Rick had a group of Negan’s size and a group of his size had already murdered his people in two separate incidents he would have likely ambushed the entire group without sparing anyone. I’m not familiar enough with Negan in the comics to know if ever becomes a sympathetic character, but on last night’s Walking Dead he seemed rather reasonable compared to some of the things that Rick has done. He was a sadistic f*ck, but he only killed one person. That’s just the nature of the world in WD, they have to do awful things to survive. I’m still not buying Carol’s transformation though. What is that about? Was she playing at being Christian so much that she developed regret at killing people? It didn’t seem genuine at all.

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photos credit: AMC/Gene Page and screenshots and via E! Online

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  1. lisa2 says:

    I’m a huge WD fan.. and am reading the comics. I love that the tv show isn’t following the comics completely so there are surprises and shocks. The final disappointed me only in that they didn’t go all in. I watched the Talking Dead and the writer’s said that the story ended that way because it was an ending; and the first episode would be the beginning of another story. I just feel like when the show returns it will be an after the fact thing and they will advance it so that the ending of this season will be a flash back or something. This was an intense episode and scary. Lots of building and building and building..then no pay off of note.

    I still love the show and love the characters. Since Carol in the comic is gone her story is just being written episode to episode..and NO I don’t like this transformation. But if you look at her history of being an abused wife it is understandable that she would kind of think about the person she was or the person she would have been if that abuse hadn’t happen.. But I miss the kick ass Carol. Not this passive person.

    • Lindy79 says:

      Carol’s arc has annoyed me more than this Negan thing. Its ridiculously badly written. While I get she would have some doubts about some of the things she has done in the past, to do such a 180, just doesn’t make sense. Especially as it seems to come from a lecturing Morgan who has actually cost people their lives by not killing people he should have and has been unwavering in his stupidity. Are we really supposed to buy that she regrets killing the Wolves who broke in and slaughtered the people in Alexandria, or the Terminus cannibals?? Come on.

      • Kittahlove83 says:

        I absolutely loathe how they’ve written Carol’s character these past few episodes. I also feel like Morgan’s lectures should have been written for Gabriel, who the audience was set up not to trust anyway.

      • Liv says:

        I can imagine that Carol is tormented by what she did to others….but why would she leave the place? And everyone else was just like: let’s go to the mall y’all! SO STUPID!
        The Saviours were lurking around and they knew about it – they would never have left Gabriel and Deanna’s son in charge of Alexandria and Judith. Never. I hate when storys or characters don’t follow through. Absolutely nonsense, as if they would all spread out and get caught.

        Oh and I think it’s Glenn or Eugene or Michonne (nobody gets to make out with Rick and then live happily ever after) or Abraham.

      • Lindy79 says:

        and taking the only doctor they have, knowing they have a pregnant woman on site, out on a run with them no matter how much she insisted…and the chasing some randomer (at the time he was) to the point they lost a truck load of badly needed supplies.

        I can actually get on board with them siding with Hilltop so quickly and acting like some sort of vigilantes because they needed to trade supplies and it played into Ricks arrogance and brutality but then gradual realisation he was completely and utterly screwed and out played last night, that part was well done.

      • Liv says:

        I never got why they let their only doctor go on a run. People who do that don’t deserve to live (on a TV show at least). You can literally hear the writers think: Oh we kill off Denise, so that the others have to leave Alexandria with Maggie. Brilliant. Not. So. Much.

      • HeatherAnn says:

        I almost feel like the writer’s decided Carol was just too cool and they needed to bring her down a few notches. I completely agree with what everyone wrote above. It’s been so frustrating to see their decision making: Daryl running off and then for some reason not hearing the saviors (he’s smarter than that), everyone chasing him, endless issues. But I completely agree that the decision to make Carol so stupid is the worst character assassination in awhile. I feel like Melissa doesn’t even quite know how to play it.

      • Angelica says:

        I, too, hate her transformation. Melissa McBride is a good actress, so it’s even more unfortunate because her abused-housewife turned mama-badass act was really satisfying to me, but to turn her completely around? Geez….I’ve truly sat in front of my tv and called her and Morgan “the two former MVPs”, because two good actors with better characters than most of the cast are now doing this stupid emotional battle when they are two of the best warriors the show has. Stupid. Missing season 3-5 Carol and season 1 Morgan…

    • mom2two says:

      Carol’s storyline has bugged me to no end. Her transformation has been poorly handled and seems to me to be a plot device, so that she is not involved with the Negan storyline. She’s single-handedly saved the group-Terminus, the Wolves attack and to have this crisis of conscience out of nowhere from a few conversations with Morgan just does not make sense.

      As for JDM, I really don’t know what people want him to say. He can’t really start off his tenure on the show criticizing Gimple and Kirkman.

      • KOri says:

        I love Carol but I get where they’re going with this. She’s done a lot of human not zombie killing–starting with Karen and David and continuing through Lizzie and others. They never had a chance to recoup from everything that happened at the prison–the time from the virus outbreak there until Alexandria was only a matter of weeks. Now she’s had quiet time and it’s catching up with her. She started keeping the notebook of the humans she’s killed. I don’t think she’s going to stay in this mode–but I think it’s a way of rebooting the humanity she was in danger of completely losing. I didn’t like how ice cold she was getting and am glad to see her able to deal with her humanity. She still gets it done–she took those Saviors out on the road like a boss–it just isn’t her first, nonchalant choice. I was getting worried about how cold they were making her for awhile.

  2. GlimmerLinnie says:

    He’s so hot! I’m totally gonna root for him even though he’s the villain just because I want him to live and grace my screen with his sexy presence.

    • MsGoblin says:

      I don’t watch WD, but might start for JDM. Mmmm mmm mm mm mm!

    • Melody says:

      Why are villains always so hot? Even John Malkovich gets me going when he’s bad…

    • C says:

      Lol I agree

      • Kate says:

        The note was made above, that Negan and Rick are a lot alike… Does that mean that maybe, just maybe they switch things up and Negan really isn’t a villian, but the villian becomes Rick!! Could you imagine!!! 😳😳😳

    • Maria_ says:

      +`10000 XD

    • Lama Bean says:

      His role on The Good Wife is the only thing that keeps me watching. Something about that voice, the way he talks, the low grumble, vibration…excuse me. I need a moment.

  3. Sixer says:

    Not read article. Finale of Walking Dead on recorder and no time to watch as yet.

    Just calling by to HONK for JDM who is my current stonker of a crush. And when I say stonker, I mean STONKER. Please write about him every day. Thank you. That is all.

    • Lindy79 says:

      Have you seen him in the Good Wife? Double HONK!

      I even forgive him for PS I Love You
      (not really but he’d still get it! Even Mr Lindy was enthralled by him when we watched TWD last night)

      • Norman Bates's Mother says:

        I watched Ps I Love You twice just for him. The sacrifice! ;-) Triple HONK.
        I love him since he was Danny Duquete on Grey’s Anatomy 10 years ago. My 17 year old self rewatched every scene he was in so many times I would have been able to recite the entire dialogue by heart if someone woke me up in the middle of the night. Have you seen his interview on James Corden’s show. Halle Berry was there and yet Corden couldn’t stop gushing over JDM’s hotness.

        Sixer – I had too google the word stonker, but it fits perfectly. My stonker of a crush seems to be coming back in a full force.

      • Sixer says:

        Ok. Watched it. I liked it – but it’s zombies, so I’m always prepared to suspend belief. Anything for zombies!

        Lindy – even for JDM, I can’t watch Good Wife. I’ve been getting doses of him in the second series of Extant. I don’t like that either, but at least the Sixlets do.

        NBM – my crush is at at stonking levels and then some! If this guy turns out to be douchey in real life, or starts saying stupid/ridiculous things in interviews, I will be devastated!

      • Lindy79 says:

        Maybe just You Tube his scenes then, it’s worth it

      • Sixer says:

        Good plan, Lindy!

        *scurries off to YouTube*

  4. InVain says:

    I absolutely love JDM, but even he couldn’t save that awful sh*tfest. I seriously hated the finale. What a waste of time. I feel like their big ‘show’ for the finale was Negan and it just didn’t matter. I know there’s been much anticipation for his arrival, but those that only watch and don’t read the comics, are not invested enough in the idea of him to care yet, to only leave us with his arrival. It wasn’t enough….and if they did kill off who most are suggesting, then wtf was that nonsense earlier in the season? Just dumb…and I know Maggie is pregnant and sick, but what exactly is wrong with her? Can’t walk, talk, no color? I could keep going, but I won’t…the whole thing, just terrible… ONE EXCEPTION: hot guys on horses.

  5. Lindy79 says:

    “I didn’t know it was going to be a cliffhanger until I watched the show.”

    so…does that mean they actually filmed who died? and they know?

    • B says:

      Good point Lindy. Or, maybe they filmed several final outcome scenes so the cast truly doesn’t know which scene will be used and who died?

      • Lindy79 says:

        Yeah that’s definitely possible, and what other shows have done in the past. Which actually makes it worse, that they filmed numerous endings and decided to show none of them.

        I’m not buying for 1 second this talk of the actors not knowing, they stopped filming a few months ago and aren’t starting again for another 4-6 weeks so have they just had them all sitting waiting, unable to take any other work in case they don’t die? No way would the actors union allow that.

    • Nancy says:

      Lindy: I read several articles yesterday that said none of the actors knew who it was that got the wrath of Lucille. But….in filming the scene, they all did kneel before Negan for 14 hours in the night and it was an emotional difficult shoot.

      • Lindy79 says:

        That’s all very nice but it doesn’t answer the question. He says he didn’t know it was going to be a cliffhanger, so that implies that they filmed at least 1 ending where they knew who died? Otherwise there’s no cliffhanger. I’m personally not buying that some of them don’t know. They’re saying what they’re told to say, like Kit Harrington on GoT who has been seen filming.

        Honestly, they’re on damage control as they’ve been universally panned by fans and critics (I’ve yet to see one say it was a good idea) for ruining one of the key moments in the series for a cheap pointless gimmick (and one they already pulled with Glenn earlier this series), so all the talk about how hard it was to shoot etc. is nice and all but it’s just them trying to deflect the negative reaction. This will be spoiled the minute they start filming.

        (I do think it was a great scene up to that point though, and love JDM casting)

      • Nancy says:

        I wasn’t done, but my comment didn’t post. None of the actors knew who was going to die. Since they don’t follow the comic book verbatim, it could be anyone. They may be waiting for viewer reaction to decide. I thought it may be Glenn, as in the cb he does die from Lucille. It should be a major character or it will be a cop out. If it’s like Rosetta, it would be sad but not get the shock value they’re looking for. My friends still think it’s Daryl, but I don’t think so. Abraham stepped up to offer himself….Eugene? Guess only time will tell. Like I said yesterday they should have shown the victim. Viewers would be talking about it forever instead of saying how lame the finale was.

      • Zip says:

        I don’t think it’s Daryl either. He didn’t exactly look like he would anything like a champ in the last episode and it would also have been a very weird ending for a major character and fan fave to die in an episode where he would just be seen in the last few minutes. I don’t think they would let him do down without a fight.

      • mom2two says:

        @Zip, I agree with you about Daryl. Much like Maggie, he did not look to be in a position to be taking a hit to the head like a champ. Given that I am sure the Saviors were not treating his gun shot wound and it looked like he had fresh blood on him from the wound still bleeding, I think he would have been passed out after the first hit.
        My money is still on Glenn with Abraham as a very strong second candidate.

      • Lindy79 says:

        And we know it’s not Coral or Rick because of what Negan said

      • Nancy says:

        They still wanted us to think Daryl may be dead from the prior episode. They didn’t bring him out until the end. He won’t die unless Norman Reedus wants to get off the show. Sorry Gaggies, but I wouldn’t miss Glenn, but betting on Abraham.

    • Pinky says:

      Andrew Lincoln knew.

      ‘Inevitably, Lincoln was questioned about the season’s climactic murder, the character’s identity of which will remain a mystery to viewers until the show returns in October (read up on who it could be here).

      “Because it’s too painful and too intense, we made a pact on set that we won’t speak about it,” he stated. “I apologize but I can’t talk about it.” ‘

      These people are made of lies.

      –TheRealPinky

    • gwen says:

      The young actor who plays Carl tweeted that he still doesn’t know who was killed so I doubt the others know.

      • Nancy says:

        They didn’t know and may still not know. That fact actually helped with the intensity of the last scene. Rick is the only one on the show that is safe. He is the core, not my favorite, but without him, there probably wouldn’t be a WD.

  6. Kittahlove83 says:

    I hate what they’ve done with Carol, it’s like how they’ve managed to make Morgan into someone you used to enjoy to possibly one of the least liked characters. I just believe if they were really going to end a chapter, then it would make even MORE sense to kill someone in the end of the episode. Then next season viewers would want to see how the rest of the group handled & moved on AFTER said death (s).

    • Meee says:

      Yeah, I don’t like Carol’s regression one bit! It’s like she’s allowed herself to be manipulated by Morgan’s deluded ideology. She became strong and now, it’s like we are looking at Season 1, victimized, Carol.

  7. kcarp says:

    I am in the minority but I find the cliffhanger a great move for Walking Dead. So many people are saying they will never watch again but if someone is that invested no way they won’t come back. It will be a huge story this summer as spoilers are leaked and people are guessing who died.

    • Zip says:

      People would have continued to watch without having a stupid cliffhanger like this.

    • cr says:

      They’ll probably watch the season premiere. But the cliffhanger was a cop-out, another jerk of the chain from a show that’s enjoyed doing that. At some point, you start losing viewers when you do it too much.

  8. Norman Bates's Mother says:

    JDM was amazing as Negan. I don’t read the comics, so I believed when people said that Negan is the most sadictic and evil bad guy ever, but from what I’ve seen last night he doesn’t seem to be. He’s definitely not as bad as the previous baddies we’ve seen on TWD (but he’s definitely more enjoyable to watch). The Governor murdered many of his own people just because he was angry and he’s favorite thing to do was staring at the walker heads in a tank. Gareth skinned and ate his own freaking brother, not to mention all the children whose toys we’ve seen. The Wolves took an immense pleasure in beating people to death and behaved like all their humanity was gone. Negan seems way less sadistic and psychotic than that. He’s power hungry, manipulating and I wouldn’t call him sympathetic, but yes, he’s not that far from Rick in terms of treating other groups. The only thing that makes him worse is the way in which he treats his own people. We know that he burned Dwight’s face as a punishment for escaping and Rick would never do that. I’m looking forward to seeing more of this character.

    I hate the Carol arc this season as well. It seems so out of character and just plain stupid. She changed so much in the previous seasons only to take a huge step back in the last few episodes. What for?

    One thing more – the other actors have said that they still don’t know who died but Morgan now says that he was surprised it was a cliffhanger. If it wasn’t a cliffhanger, we would have seen who died, so logically he and the others would have already shot that scene. Who lies?

    • Pinky says:

      They all lie.

      ‘Inevitably, Lincoln was questioned about the season’s climactic murder, the character’s identity of which will remain a mystery to viewers until the show returns in October (read up on who it could be here).

      “Because it’s too painful and too intense, we made a pact on set that we won’t speak about it,” he stated. “I apologize but I can’t talk about it.” ‘

      Clearly Lonvoln knew and they filmed it. So the decision not to air it now was iconic idiocy.

      –TheRealPinky

      • Nancy says:

        Just because the scene was painful and according to all of the parties involved, it was, doesn’t mean he knows who got killed. It was a grueling shoot and knowing one of your coworkers and/or friend is losing their job can’t be fun. He never said oh we know who it is but are not talking about it. He said they made a pact not to speak of the scene, and to my knowledge, before the finale they didn’t.

  9. Jayna says:

    I love him in anything he does.

  10. Tiffany27 says:

    He looked so good on the show. So good. He was the only highlight of the finale.

  11. Esther says:

    i have been watching since season 2 and let me tell you how it will play out: we will get Carol and Morgan Road Trip in episode 1, then Enid in the closet, then the priest and maybe by the midseason finale we will know who crawled under a dumpster to evade Negans bashes.

    ps.not blaming any of the actors for not attacking the writers publicly, that would be uncool.

  12. JoJo says:

    The cliffhanger is frustrating, but it won’t make me not watch. Cliffhangers have been part of TV storylines forever, so it’s not unexpected. That said, I do think the quality of writing seemed noticeably lower this season and really didn’t stay true to past seasons or character development and relationships.

    Carol’s transformation would be ok, but it was too sudden and therefore not believable to me. She and Darryl had no interactions this season- bad – and her sudden relationship with that guy was just out of the blue and made no sense.

    They have too many secondary characters now, and as a result, the focus on the key people that we actually care about is diluted. Even Rick wasn’t onscreen for most of the second half of the season. And when he was, he was reduced to pretty dumb, cliched one-liners. In season 7, I really want to see better writing and more focus on the core characters!

    • cr says:

      It’s not the cliffhanger in general, it’s this specific cliffhanger on this specific show.
      Every person has an ending point for a show they’ve been watching, even if that’s well before a show ends. And this season seems to have been the tipping point for a lot of fans who’d been overlooking things that annoyed them.

      • HeatherAnn says:

        That’s exactly right, cr. The whole season has been building to this one pivotal moment, specifically that last episode. To not tell us who died basically destroys the build up. It’s cheap and pisses me off. I love TWD despite its flaws but this is bad. Really really pushing the viewers.

  13. KBeth says:

    JDM is sexy as hell. That is all.

    • briargal says:

      Yes! Don’t & won’t watch this type of show but do love JDM! Wish he would do something I would enjoy watching!

  14. lem says:

    I read somewhere (don’t remember now) that the writers didn’t want to make it a cliffhanger and filmed an ending but that the network made them do a cliffhanger b/c they felt it would make more people come back. So I think the flack for the writers is unfair AND I think that means it’s someone super important who dies b/c otherwise why would the network be concerned about people tuning in for next season? if it wasn’t a fan favorite that might legitimately drive folks away, then I think the network would have shown it.

    • The Original G says:

      Right, but that doesn’t explain the lame and poorly paced story lines for ages, does it? Or, the same repetitive plot devices. It’s been plagued by bad writng for a few seasons. This is just the final straw, for many.

      Game of Thrones thrives on killing characters to drive the pliot forward and it’s not hurting for ratings.

    • Lindy79 says:

      That just makes zero sense for either AMC or the writers to do it for that reason. TWD has the highest ratings for the past few season premieres, so getting people to come back was never going to be an issue.
      Such a wasted opportunity, if they had killed someone, people would have turned in to see the direct aftermath, how people coped, what happened next..

      • The Original G says:

        It was actually really time for a redemptive moment in the writing. An action filled episode that made a difference and rewarded me for hanging in.

        I’m sure they think they’re going to transfer audience appetite to Fear the Walking Dead. Kind of cynical.

      • lem says:

        I don’t disagree that it was stupid and unnecessary to end the show that way–I just think the writers didn’t want to do it and AMC said they had to.

  15. Skins says:

    The show was lame, the whole season was lame. You can bet it was one of the supporting actors who got killed, certainly not Rick, Daryl, the kid, Carol or Glen and Maggie. Take your pick of the others. Too much over-acting in the last 10 minutes it was ridiculous. Too many other shows to waste any more time on this.

    • Nancy says:

      Skins: What other shows? I can’t seem to find anything to hold my interest other than GOT, Lucifer and Gotham.

      • Skins says:

        Well, lets see, I’m on Nashville, Survivor, Real World, Vinyl, OJ, Party Down South maybe 1 or 2 others that I can’t think of off the top of my head. GOT coming up too. When I lose interest in a show I am done with it. Bailed on Grimm earlier this season after watching a few seasons of it. TWD has just gotten boring. You know the main stars aren’t getting killed off, I can practically predict what is going to happen, so it is time to move on.

      • Nancy says:

        I haven’t watched WD since the beginning, so it still has me. My husband suggested I watch from the beginning, ugh, so I did. I fell in lust with Daryl in the first episode and sadly am still his number one fan, but wouldn’t go as far as Kathy Bates in Misery lol. Not a fan of reality shows but will try Nashville next season. Thanks!

      • briargal says:

        Love Lucifer!!!

  16. TOPgirl says:

    The last episode was so intense, Negan’s guys were so creepy…whistling and blocking every road Rick’s team tried to take.
    I think the whistling was just super creepy. I’ve seen that type of thing in many old movies where the bad guys are whistling….it plays with your mind. They use that in military tactics too..where they play sounds to scare the hell out of their enemy before attacking them.
    Negan was such a bad ass character….I’d say almost comparable to the Governor. It’s nice to see another strong character go up against Rick’s team. We all know that the Saviors outnumber Rick’s group but…Rick’s group always pull through.
    Honestly, I was waiting for Carol to show up out of nowhere are blast the Saviors away….but Nope..this time…no one could save them. I’m dying to find out who died.

    • Pandy says:

      Super intense!! The way the RV was blocked all the time and then that creepy whistling. Despite not knowing who’s been killed (I can wait!) I will be back.

  17. Dee Kay says:

    People are entitled to their opinions and there’s been a lot of hating on this season, but I loved it for the most part. I did get angry that it was a cliffhanger but it worked on me — I can’t wait for the new season and am pumped for it. I loved the Carol-Maggie episode the best (with the Savior women), I thought that was so moving and emotionally deep. I think that was the turning point for Carol’s arc — she is haunted by everything that that incident brought up in her. But she will be fine in the long run. Every character on the show takes a turn at “losing it,” and who could blame them? Rick’s gone nuts, Morgan’s gone nuts, now it’s just Carol’s turn. But so far, they have each recovered, and Carol will, too. Then she and Morgan will save the gang from Negan. Duh.

    • lem says:

      I think Carol saw herself in the Savior women and couldn’t believe what she had become as a result of “protecting” the people she loves. I don’t really get why the Savior women brought that out in her and not, oh i don’t know, killing a child, but I still think that was the issue.

  18. Valois says:

    This whole “Negan and Rick are not that different. And see, Negan only killed one of them, but Rick would have killed everyone” doesn’t make a lot of sense if you try to show that they are similar.

    Rick would have killed everyone cause he tries (or thinks he tries to) get rid of danger. Negan only killed one of them because he wants control, fear and people’s goods. Killing everyone would not help his agenda.

    And yes, before this episode, Rick was a self-absorbed arse who thinks he’s invincible, but I don’t think that he’d do something like Negan and kill for shock-factor and steal from people.

    • HeatherAnn says:

      Also Rick is loyal and he’s a leader because his friends look to him to lead not because he crushes the people “under him.” I agree he and Negan are pretty different, but I do like the comparison. I really liked the way Rick acted in the finale. He went from so cocky to just terrified and almost like he was going to pass out, and I thought that was really interesting and good and realistic- he knows these people look to him and he led them into a trap.

    • HeatherAnn says:

      I forgot to add: I really liked the season but I just really disagree with the cliffhanger. The cliffhanger destroyed the power of the episode.

    • MinnFinn says:

      This! Rick is very different in 2 ways. 1. He’s more rational because his motivation is to eliminate threats. And 2. Rick doesn’t torture people. Rick is not sadistic. Negan is sadistic. He could kill people swiftly instead of using Lucille.

  19. Ashley says:

    Carol’s storyline is an example of why I hate this show sometimes. Yet cannot stop watching. The constant, drastic changes in characters’ attitudes and actions, without any clue as to their basis or motivations, is INFURIATING. Especially the women characters in the first few seasons, but now it’s a gender-neutral thing, lol. I feel like I’m constantly like, “wait … WHY?” This season has been BETTER though. I think there are just SO many characters, and the pacing of the show is slow, that it’s hard to devote adequate attention to each and every character as each season progresses. So frustrating but I will probably watch until the bitter end. I like how the show is now about people vs people and walkers are just a natural hazard to be avoided.

  20. Hotpockets says:

    No Guesses on on who possibly died?

    I am thinking it was Eugene. They kill off a lot of characters who were considered weak in the beginning and then try to redeem themselves, examples: Denise, Sam, Beth and Andrea. I think the writers want us to to assume it’s Glenn, since he dies around this time in the comics, but TWD ain’t no Game of Thrones, so they won’t take it there. Plus, Eugene is kneeling next to Carl and every time they show the point of view from Rick’s gang, it’s someone who is next to Carl.

    I am not sure why people are so outraged over the finale considering the writing has always been lazy, inconsistent, with tendencies to have plots holes and lack of character development throughout all six seasons. I like TWD, but there are better shows that are much more well written, right now I am digging Bates Motel.

    • AnotherDirtyMartini says:

      @hotpockets – my hubs thinks it’s Eugene too. I think it has to be one of major biggies though. I would miss Eugene. The actor is good & the character provides comic relief.

      Oh yes, I love Bates Motel too. Have you watched The Killing? AMC show that Netflix took over. People were really angry that Season 1 didn’t divulge the killer, but I binge watched it so it didn’t bother me. Four seasons in total. Of course, you must have watched Breaking Bad too…Better Call Saul, LOST is a fav (the writers screwed up the final season but I still love the show).

  21. Goodnight says:

    Carol has been feeling shitty about herself since the prison. She’s never enjoyed killing. When she got to the point where she had to take out Lizzie it seemed to fracture her, and she tried to accept her (self-appointed) role as the hard person who does what has to be done. She tried to harden herself so she wouldn’t feel so guilty, but it’s clearly been weighing on her.

    The fact she was keeping count of her kills shows how much it’s preying upon her. She only picked up the rosary as part of a ploy to survive, she isn’t playing at being Christian or whatever. Grabbing onto it became a coping mechanism. It’s really just a symbolic thing for the show viewers rather than a meaningful part of her own story (the fact it’s a rosary, I mean).

    Her story has been leading up to this point for a long, long time.

  22. Crisyroo says:

    I haven’t read past the first series of comics, but I think the main seperater between Rick and negan is that Rick doesn’t punish people for their missteps. Negan rules by fear not Rick.