Chloe Moretz wanted plastic surgery when she was 16, but her mom said ‘no’


Chloe Grace Moretz has been photographed a lot lately. She’s been going to lots of events, for sure, but she’s also been getting pap’d a lot. I think it’s partly because she’s official with Brooklyn Beckham, but I also think she’s hustling in general. Hustling to break out, hustling to get work, hustling to be taken seriously as a politically active young person. Anyway, these are photos of Chloe at a Coach event last week. She’s the new face of Coach, which is actually a pretty good fit – I bought my first Coach bag when I was Chloe’s age! To promote her new contract, Chloe chatted with Elle Magazine about the label, Hillary Clinton, body image and more. I find the body image stuff the most interesting. Some highlights:

Her biggest issues as a young person: “My biggest issue as a young person, male or female, is our educational system. When I turned 18, I decided that I couldn’t justify the expense of college. I’ve made all my own money—I’ve worked my butt off, and all of [my] savings, I’ve made those myself. And I can’t justify spending my own money and throwing it away to go to college just to pay it back for 15 years. That’s going to make me resent an experience that should be so fulfilling. It feels really inappropriate, like I’m getting robbed. So I told that to Hillary Clinton. I said, “Why can’t we make it so when kids turn 18, they want to go to college?” It should be free. You shouldn’t have to buy education. That’s something we need to give to the youth of America because it’s going to raise income, it’s going to raise job satisfaction, it’s probably going to raise empathy and understanding of other people. Education is everything.”

Her message as a Coach model: “That’s why I try to keep it natural. When I signed onto the Coach ads, we were all on the same page that the hair and the makeup are things you could do in real life. I try to break barriers. I try to not post Instagrams where I Facetune my face and I wear a ton of makeup. I want to be as natural as can be. And I want to break it down for young women so they understand that you’re not just “born” like this. Yes, I have had hair extensions. Yes, the reason I have this body is because I work out seven times a week. Yes, I eat really clean—even though I don’t always want to, and I definitely cheat. But you’re not just born with this. Sometimes you have to fight for and work for things, and be happy with who you are at the same time. And that’s a really hard balance but I want to show it to young women.”

Realizing she was unique: “When I was 16. I wanted a boob job. I wanted the fat pad under my chin to be removed. I wanted a butt reduction, or whatever. And my mom said, “Absolutely not, you’re not allowed to have plastic surgery.” And because of that, I found a lot of power within my insecurities. They’re what make me who I am now.”

What she does on a bad day: “My boyfriend is a huge support. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I don’t need a man for anything, but when I’m feeling bad about myself, he’s like, “Stop. Look at what you say in interviews. Look at what you stand for. Listen to your own words, because you’re as beautiful as you say you are! All young women are more beautiful than they think, you know. And I like you more in sweatpants than I do when you’re on a red carpet.” And it’s nice to have a young man who’s 17 years old be able to look at a woman that way. I think it means we’re on the right track.

She wears cologne: “My boyfriend and I use each other’s cologne. He’ll wear my female version; I’ll wear his male version.”

[From Elle]

I’m from a generation where a college education was an investment, but it was before tuition costs went through the roof like they have in the past decade. I went to a state college and I walked out of it with a BA and no debt, thanks to my father and the fact that I worked throughout college. So… I feel like college should not be free, but it should definitely be a lot cheaper than it is now. I’m also from a family where “not getting a college education” was not an option, and I don’t understand Chloe’s line of thinking that she’s a rich actress and she doesn’t want to spend her money on a college education because she can’t justify the cost. If she wants to work, just say that. But saying she didn’t want to go to college because of the cost just sounds… dumb.

As for Chloe wanting plastic surgery at 16 to “fix” her body, I’m glad her mother talked her out of it. That’s what parents are supposed to do. That’s what Kris Jenner was supposed to do when Kylie Jenner wanted to change her entire face and body. Plus, every teenage girl feels insecure about something with their appearance. You’re still growing! I like that Chloe talked about that and gave specific examples.


Photos courtesy of WENN, Fame/Flynet.

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  1. AG-UK says:

    Maybe she should be going to college with that statement. It is pricey my son desperately wants to go in the US but as an International student even though he holds dual nationality at best $58k a year. They moan here in the UK but it’s £9k a year I can live with that and only 3 years.

    • anon123 says:

      To be honest, the US education is over-hyped. It is not worth the money.
      My original education was in USSR, of all things, and really even Harvard education is a sad joke in comparison. The real education in the US only happens at the Masters level.
      The problem with the US education is that at least 2 years out of 4 are fluff unrelated to the profession and something you can learn on your own and much cheaper.

    • Nerdista says:

      Education is everything. So Imma skip college.

  2. teatimeiscoming says:

    I went to a state college, have been paying for 10 years, and still have 25K to pay back. Gotta love states without income tax. I have a STEM degree. I cannot find a job in my field. So I am going back to school this year for something more useful and less likely to be outsourced.
    School should not be NEARLY as pricey as it is.

    • Mel M says:

      I’m in the same boat. Still have loads of student loan debt and I graduated 11 years ago from an instate university. I’ve tried everything to lower my interest rate and I have excellent credit but it’s still high.

  3. QQ says:

    Love what she is wearing, Love love love that her Parent Parented, instead of Kardashianing it up and abdicating that sh*t.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      It is so satisfying to hear that her mom said no, and she listened.

    • cd3 says:

      YUP. Smart Mom.

      When I was 16 I wanted a boob job… my mom took me to the Dr’s office and was supportive etc. I ended up not getting one and THANK GOD bc when I was pregnant several decades later I had large size E boobs THAT I HATED. I realize I loathed having large breasts and it looked terrible on my frame. Was so unbelievably happy I never went through with the boob job.

      I realize my mom was trying to be supportive and perhaps her intention was “let’s take her to the Dr., make it real, freak her out with knowing what’s actually involved and then she’ll come to her senses”… but really I feel like she should have just said “Nope. You’re fine the way you are. When you’re an adult, you can do what you want, but at 16 you are a child and a Jon Snow.”

    • pinetree13 says:

      Yes all that she said I agreed with. Have to say though I REALLY don’t get that outfit. It’s like the hair and blouse are “little Bo Peep” with a club skirt. I get mix and match…but I feel this outfit doesn’t work. Just an opinion of course!

  4. Miss S says:

    So a pretty well off girl decides not to go to college because it’s too expensive and she can’t justify the price? I can understand many arguments, but this isn’t one. She really sounds dumb. She should be grateful to be able to go to college and own the fact that she simply doesn’t want to.

  5. Sam says:

    A 16 year old has no business getting plastic surgery (excepting, of course, correcting deformities or other issues). You are still growing then. One my co co-workers had her bobs done at 18 – a present to herself. Well, she was nowhere near done growing. Like me, she grew into her 20s, and she would up with very large ones, indeed. She had to remove them. I do not understand anybody who thinks it is ethical to push surgery onto teens and very young adults. The same thing happened to Britney Spears – got surgery too young, body changed, etc.

    Heck, my daughter is now asking about getting her ears pierced (she’s 5, btw). And I’m a little dodgy on that – I’m not sure if she’s old enough to care for them herself and I really do not want to use a gun to do it, but that seems to be the only available option. I can’t imagine her wanting anything more severe than that, at any point. I’d refuse too!

    • Tiffany :) says:

      I wanted a boob job at 16 too, and by 20 I had Ds. That would have been a lot of wasted money and unnecessary pain!

      • Sam says:

        That was my experience. At 16, I was a flat A and wanted them augmented. Obviously, that was not going to happen. I even tried to save during college. But by the time I was 22, I was a full B. Still on the small side, but a modest augmentation would have been a waste of money then. So I don’t believe anybody should be messing with the 16 year old’s chest.

    • Jen says:

      My doctor told me she wouldn’t even recommend a breast reduction when I 16 and suggested I waited until I was 19-so glad I did. My cousin went ahead with the surgery at 17 and was back to her old size in a couple of years. Beyond finding it questionable for parents to be allowing and financing augmentations or nose jobs or whatever for teenager, it can definitely turn out just to be a waste of money, too.

    • swak says:

      Sam, stick to not piercing her ears until she can take care of them. I pierced my daughter’s ears at 7 because I felt that was when they could probably take care of them. Helping them with the cleaning of them at first, yes I did, and if they had trouble getting them in I helped. For the most part they were able to deal with the earrings and change them when they wanted to do so. I had them so convinced that they couldn’t get them done until they were 7 that when their cousin wanted to get them pierced at 5, they told her she couldn’t! True story. As far as using the gun, most places will do both ears at once. That way they won’t bail out after only getting one done and don’t like the pain!

    • ds says:

      I had my ears pierced when I was a toddler or so… my nanna took me. It was a normal thing in my country. Still is. Didn’t cry or anything. It actually doesn’t hurt at all. No matter how old. But it’s super strange how my grandma got all schocked when my sister had another pierce in her ear (two in total on one ear) when she was 16. So weird.

      • Sam says:

        My in-laws suggested getting her ears done as a baby, but that’s because in their cultures, it is common. I have a piercer that I’ve seen for all my work, and I called to check with him if it was a good idea. He recommends holding off only because the human ear is actually not set in its final form for a few years after birth – the tissues and cartilage can shift. He said it’s common for piercings done on babies to shift over time and, as adults, they can look off-center or uneven. Better to wait until her ears set in their adult shape, he said. That, and I was also terrified that she might pull them out – that child had sticky fingers.

    • SKF says:

      Find an alternative to the gun!! I got my ears pierced at 18. My mum had a rule that we couldn’t get them pierced until the summer of our 16th birthdays. I desperately wanted them before that but then stopped caring by the time it came. I got them at 18 but have since let them close up because it turns out I’m allergic to most metals and earrings just cause my ears to swell up. Anyway, when I did get them pierced, I got them done in a body piercing place and they were done by a proper registered nurse. He said that the guns are disgusting because, although they sterilise the needles in the guns, they can’t sterilise the housing it goes back into so they can be hotbeds of infection. He pierced mine with a needle by hand and he did a great job. Everything he used came new from a plastic packet, fully steralised.

    • AngelaH says:

      Can’t a piercer do her ears (when she’s old enough to care for them)? The guns are just not safe because they can’t be sterilized. Also, they tear through the tissue with the dull end of the earring instead of piercing with a nice sharp point.

      I ordered piercing needles and had my sister pierce my ears (they had grown shut over the years). She told me that she doesn’t know if she could do her kids’ ears though. My niece wants hers pierced. She’s 9 and I think they are talking about it now.

      • pinetree13 says:

        I FULLY AGREE! The guns cannot be sterilized and a local piercing shop is a MUCH better option.

        Also, I agree with waiting. I got mine when I was 8 and was supposed to be old enough to clean them…well…I would say i was and wouldn’t and I would constantly touch and play with them with filthy hands.
        They of course ended up both getting HORRIBLY infected. My mom took the studs out and copious amounts of blood and other came oozing out! Gross!

        Also in my husband’s culture they do them as babies but I said no. I find it so uncomfortable to sleep with earrings and just thought “Why?! Why does my baby need decorations forced on her?” Though I certainly don’t shame moms that choose to get it done….afterall more than half my family does this to girl babies

  6. Lucy says:

    Here in Argentina, Public University is free and considered the best one in Latin America. Go figure.

  7. me says:

    Ok isn’t she a multi-millionaire? She could easily afford the tuition if she really wanted to go. I don’t think University should be free. What happens is you end up with A LOT of people with degrees and not enough jobs for them. There needs to be a balance.

    • anon123 says:

      “I don’t think University should be free. What happens is you end up with A LOT of people with degrees and not enough jobs for them”

      We already have that – too many people with education for which there are no jobs, it is a separate issue and it is regulated by the markets. Most people would choose to get an education in an area that is in demand, all other things being equal regardless of whether the education is free or not. Education takes time and effort, not just money. It is still a big investment.

      In reality in those countries where college is free the college education free only for those who qualify, i.e. those who can pass exams and tests. If people have the brains and ability be educated why shouldn’t they be educated?

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      If you want balance, money shouldn’t be the deciding factor in who gets the opportunity. But I speak from a perspective if a “free” education, kindergarten to M.A.

      The thing is, it’s not really free. I’m paying my share in taxes now. You just pay later, when you actually can.

    • Norman Bates' Mother says:

      In my country public colleges are free (= payed by taxes) and the private ones are expensive. Students who go to a public college needed to have amazing grades during high school and on their finals to get accepted and those with lower grades have to pay big money to get their degree. So a lot of people have BA, but only the public, free education is regarded as quality one by employers. I think it’s the fairest option as intelligence, not money and social status, decide about college admissions. How many skilled, smart people won’t get their degree in the USA just because they can’t afford it, while rich jackasses with half a brain go to college without making any effort?

      • cd3 says:

        @Norman – Wow, that sounds like a great system! I would love it if that were the case in North America.

    • pinetree13 says:

      I don’t think it needs to be totally free but definitely EASILY AFFORDABLE. Like reasonably priced. Priced so that you can work in the summer to pay your tuition and don’t need debt.

      • Locke Lamora says:

        I think it’s needs to be totally free. Payed through taxes, not tuitions.

  8. nenou95 says:

    I wonder what cologne they wear… unbreakable by lamar and khloe ?

  9. Imqrious2 says:

    So, a 19 year old actress thinks she doesn’t need an education because “it’s too expensive, and she doesn’t want to use her own money…” Honey, that statement alone shows you need an education. Yeah, at 18-19 we ALL thought we knew it all already. But you don’t. The reasoning portion of your brain isn’t even fully developed until around 25 yrs. of age. So Chloe, stop making excuses, and just own up that you don’t want to go to school.

    • Cam says:

      Strange comment considering she never said she “doesn’t need or want” an education. In fact, she has talked for years about wanting to go to college. I don’t think she understands the ways of the world–nothing is free–but she didn’t say what you claim she did.

  10. Rachel says:

    My experience was much like Kaiser’s. I went to a small in-state school. I had scholarships. My dad paid for my books. Then I went to law school. Which I am still paying for 12 years later. And will pay for for another 13 years. But that was my choice. I chose a very expensive Ivy League school, with only a half tuition scholarship, instead of the state school where I would have had a full scholarship. That’s on me. I had classmates who entered law school already $150,000 in debt from undergrad. And it’s only gotten worse since then. I don’t believe a college education should be free. However, I do believe it should be more affordable. Interest rates on student loans should be capped at 3-4% (my highest interest rate was 3.25%; it’s now three times that). The cost of higher education and the interest rates charged on student loans these days makes higher education cost prohibitive for much of the population. Or if they do choose to go, they end up living with their parents again afterward because they can’t afford rent + the payments on their student loans. We tell kids that they need a degree to be marketable, but in order to get that degree, they must consign themselves to a lifetime of debt.

    • anon123 says:

      Why shouldn’t the college be free for those who can qualify?
      It is free in Germany and a number of other counties. Even in the UK it used to be free, and is still much cheaper than in the US.
      College education is an investment into the future of the country. It is net-positive unlike military expenses.
      I don’t know why Americans won’t even entertain an idea of free college or free healthcare.

      • AngelaH says:

        We don’t have it because the people that we elect to lead us don’t care about what is best for all of us. They care about what is best for them and their cronies. If tax money goes to education for everyone that qualifies and healthcare for everyone, then that is less money that can go to corporate welfare. So, we can’t have it. Plus if education is open to everyone that wants it and will work for it, then how do you keep the masses unecducated and poor?

      • Trixi says:

        @Angela, that’s it. exactly.
        I’m from Germany too, and you can’t compare it with the US, complete diff systems… aaaand, like Angela said, it is all wanted, the poor are needed, that’s the same in Germany, they (politicans) don’t want Jobs for all and a good lifestyle, the poverty is wanted…
        And in Germany it is by the way not anymore that easy like 20/30 Years ago, a lot of people can’t go to university bc lack af money.
        Yes it’s almost free (tuition fee is mostly low), but in reality you can’t choose what you want, not all departments are free, some cost a lot of money, if you only want to go to university bc of it (some people do this) no matter what department, if you are qualified, then it cost only tiny fees, well and you need a Job for rent, food, clothes etc. or Parents who pay for you…or a Trustfund….

        But it is a Fairytale that all Education is free in Germany or that Medical Care is free for everybody, that’s in the past.
        A lot of People can’t afford to go to University, and a lot of people have no Medicare (and i’m not talking of Homeless People) or did not get the treatment they need bc that’s for people with private Medicare.
        The Healthsystem is very good, still, but we have some issues too, of course i know the US Healthsystem is inhuman, Obama did the right first Step, but after misconduct of former “President’s” it is questionable if it ever get better, not with Hilary, that’s for shure.
        With Hilary you won’t get better Healthcare or a better Education system, never.

  11. Kris says:

    There are MANY other countries which offer free college education or considerably lower fees, and whose education levels are statistically higher than the education levels of the US, so I really gree with what she is saying. Making college education a question of money means reserving it to those priviliged enough to be able to afford it. And education shouldn’t be a question of money, education should be free.

    • barbara says:


      I think the anti-affordable college movement is based on fear and jealousy. Fear that if everyone can get a degree the aren’t special anymore, and jealousy because of all the college debt they already paid off (I paid my debt, now it’s their turn!). College should be free, or in the very least it needs to be regulated.

    • Trixi says:

      That would be great, imagine another Albert Einstein cannot be the Genius, bc he/she is living in bitter poverty, that is disastrous.
      I think you are perfectly right, fear and jealousy, they begrudge the opportunity young people could have, the fear to loose the job on somebody better educated, younger, well very sad, but this is a human problem in general.

      That’s volitional, all for the rich, with Hilary you get no change, no matter what she is saying..

  12. Lynnie says:

    I feel her on the whole price of college thing. I got accepted into Brandeis this year and it was the PERFECT fit, but due to the cost I have to stay in state. It was a very crushing experience, because even though I can always go out of state for my masters I know for a fact that I’m going to be irreversibly missing out on something I could have gotten at Brandeis. Talking with my friends it’s been the same situation, and we’re the lucky ones. (It must be absolutely terrible to have the brains, but not the money to even afford a state school, especially when you live in a so called developed country.) It’s just very sad to have that what-if feeling hanging over your head, especially when the problem is solvable, and there are models in other countries showing that subsidized higher education is possible.

  13. Maria says:

    no good plastic surgeon would perform such a surgery at that age.

    “My boyfriend is a huge support. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I don’t need a man for anything”

    well sounds like you do, sweetie. what he says sounds like a typical Nice Guy™ but he is still so young so i wont drag him.

    • Ughcelebrities says:

      I don’t find anything wrong with this statement. Ideally, yes, she shouldn’t have to rely on anyone else for affirmation at all, but dealing with insecurity alone all the time is difficult and unrealistic. Some people are just really insecure, and it makes them vulnerable definitely, but so what? I think it’s nice she feels she can rely on her partner. He doesn’t sound like a Nice Guy. He sounds like someone trying to make his partner feel better. We all have weaknesses, and we should be able to rely on our partners to help out when we aren’t feeling strong or having bad days.

  14. prettylights says:

    I went to a small private liberal arts school to get my BA and graduated with a major in Communication/Digital Media and a minor in English. I received scholarships, grants and loans and my parents helped by taking out some PLUS loans. I only went to the private school vs. the public one because if you are an academic they give out a lot of scholarships and luckily I had a high GPA and great SAT scores so I wound up only paying about 1/3 of regular tuition. I graduated almost 10 years ago and my parents just paid off their loans last year and I have 15k on mine. College was expensive even 10 years ago and it’s only worse today. I feel lucky I went when I did before prices really blew up.

    I agree with her that education is really important but I think she stated it in a convoluted way. I hope no young people decide not to go to college based on her comments. I feel lucky I had those 4 years of classes and experiences and disagree with her that going to college is ‘throwing away’ your money. I learned a lot in college – not only about many topics that opened up my eyes to the world around me, but also just having the personal experience of being on my own for the first time and growing as a person. Even though I’m still in debt 10 years later I have never regretted my decision to go to college. Also, my degree definitely helped me get the job I have now. My boss even told me that he was very impressed by my GPA and school history on my resume and it’s a big part of why he hired me. 4 years later I have tripled my salary from when I started and use the things I learned in college daily in my job.

  15. anon123 says:

    College should be free, period.
    So many countries can do it but the US , the richest country in the world cannot? It is laughable.
    It also makes me question the priorities of Americans – the country with the biggest military but no maternity leave, no access to affordable college education and no healthcare. It is a disgrace.

  16. barbara says:

    Meh, I went to college because my family was under the impression that was what you needed to do to find a good job. I went and earned a handful of degrees (2 associates and a BFA) while racking up a heck of a lot of debt in the process. After I left school I couldn’t find work that paid over $14/hr. I worked as a graphic designer ($9/hr), administrative assistant ($11/hr), and paralegal ($14/hr) before I stumbled into the IT field. Most of the guys I work with didn’t go to college. Most of my bosses didn’t go to college. That’s when I learned that college is a lie. Everyone here’s talking about how dumb Chloe sounds, but from my point of view she sounds pretty wise. College today isn’t college from 20 yrs ago – it’s a sham designed to drown a generation in crippling debt.

  17. BendyWindy says:

    I don’t think she’s dumb for saying she doesn’t want to spend the money on college. She’s rich, yes, and rich people are all about dollars and cents. If she self financed an education at Harvard, for let’s say $50k a year for 5 years (most bachelors take that long these days), that’s $250,000. What is the return on investment for her? Feeling good about herself? Connections? More privilege? She already has that and that same $250k can be invested for five years and make her more money than what she’ll get from having a degree. Which is why she thinks school should be free (or low cost), because you’re much more likely to go and finish if it doesn’t mean wracking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. You being general, of course.

  18. SmartyPants says:

    Well, college isn’t free. As it stands we still pay for college here (still paying for mine 10 years later), and that makes it a financial decision. I don’t understand this mentality that college isn’t a financial decision. It just is.

    It’s her money, and I think she’s making the right one for now if she doesn’t want to go. What are the odds of her becoming a teacher or a scientist? Not likely right now. Why would she waste her money on a formal education when she has the ability to learn whatever she really wants to know at a much cheaper cost?

    A lot of Americans were sold this false dream that you go to college, pay for it later, buy property as soon as you can, keep getting bigger and bigger houses, just so you can fill them with a bunch of crap you don’t need. Now you’re up to your ass in debt just because you forgot to challenge your parents’ ideals.

  19. Dolkite says:

    “Listen to your own words, because you’re as beautiful as you say you are! All young women are more beautiful than they think, you know. And I like you more in sweatpants than I do when you’re on a red carpet.”

    In other words, he’s telling her what she wants to hear and she’s falling for it. What a load.

    • Trixi says:

      That’s how it works in realationships (between teens).
      I would not like it, permanently bodyshamed from my boyfriend, no matter what age.
      …or fashionshamed…or beautyshamed….

      If my boyfriend says me that i’m pretty and dont need heavy makeup and highend fashion, i would fall for it too….so what….

      You sound quite bitter….

  20. perplexed says:

    ‘I’m also from a family where “not getting a college education” was not an option, and I don’t understand Chloe’s line of thinking that she’s a rich actress and she doesn’t want to spend her money on a college education because she can’t justify the cost. If she wants to work, just say that. But saying she didn’t want to go to college because of the cost just sounds… dumb.”

    Would she really be that rich? How in demand is she? I don’t think of her as being on the same level as Jennifer Lawrence, or even Natalie Portman when she was making the Star Wars movies (and even Natalie’s dad paid for her education).

    Even if she’s relatively wealthy, I think her desire to work and the desire to not “throw away” money on an expensive education could still be related issues. If she uses the money she has now to pay for college, she could lose out on acting opportunities that would enable her to pay for the debt that comes 15 years later. So she has debt and no jobs because she didn’t strike when she was under 25 (I’m not saying I would take her route though — I would do what Emma Watson did but I’m not certain if Chloe Moritz makes Emma Watson’s Harry Potter money).

  21. davidh says:

    I got the point she’s tying to make about education, but if I were her I wouldn’t mention the part where she talks about her money. She sound a bit like a entitled white girl or even a little of the spoil brat there.

    It’s great she has money and the power to decide if she want to go to college or not, but most people don’t so she should STFU and she shouldn’t rub her money on people’s faces.

  22. Cam says:

    Again with the negative comment towards Moretz. That keeps the streak alive. It’s pretty obvious she’s being papped more now because the media loves celeb couples and Beckham titillates the press due to his parents. Why does she need more work? She’s easily the busiest teen actress around. Love to know how being papped with Beckham improves her prospects of work as well. And why she kept her/him private for two years if she was so worried about getting work as a result.

  23. angela says:

    She’s rich from acting and she’s complaining about the cost of college…then says she thinks school should be free? I used to think she’s was a smart young woman… Nope