A few weeks ago, “sources” close to Brad Pitt made a big deal about how he would not be filing a response to Angelina Jolie’s divorce petition. The idea was that Brad and Angelina’s teams were trying to work things out behind the scenes, and no one wanted a huge divorce battle to play out in public. Reportedly, those behind-the-scenes conversations/negotiations have not been going well, and the disagreements are mostly about custody of the kids. So on Friday, Brad’s side did file a response to Angelina’s divorce petition and Brad told the court that he wants joint custody. Now TMZ has a story sourced from the Angelina camp where she’s like “Nuh-uh, joint custody isn’t happening.”
Angelina Jolie is ready and willing to fight Brad Pitt in court over the custody of their children and “until he gets his s**t together” she only wants him to have monitored visitation … sources connected to Angelina tell TMZ. TMZ broke the story, Brad filed legal docs Friday, asking for joint custody of the couple’s six children. Angelina has drawn a line in the sand, asking for primary physical custody, with Brad getting visitation … our sources tell us she wants the visits monitored.
Angelina’s wish list is basically what she and Brad agreed to temporarily while the L.A. County Dept. of Children and Family Services investigates a confrontation between Brad and Maddox. As we reported, DCFS is looking more broadly at interactions in the family.
Our Angelina sources say she ultimately wants the family repaired so she and Brad can resume a “normal” parenting regime, but until then she will fight hard for sole physical custody. She believes Brad has substance abuse and anger issues that must be addressed. Sources connected with Brad tell us … the custody arrangement is riding on the conclusions of DCFS, and they believe the agency will determine Brad is a good parent. One Angelina source said this is looking more and more like “War of the Roses redux.”
It seems like TMZ – and the sources – are conflating two issues as one. During the divorce negotiations (which might take months) and during the still-ongoing DCFS investigation (which might also take months, who knows?), Jolie and Pitt did agree to a temporary visitation scheme where Brad’s interactions with the kids are monitored. I believe that the issue of visitation is pretty much nailed down, at least until DCFS closes their case and/or Brad and Angelina finalize their divorce. As for the custody issue, that’s a long-term issue that is the biggest part of their divorce negotiations. And it sounds like Angelina isn’t going to give in to anything… until Brad gets his sh-t together. Hm.
Speaking of Brad not having his sh-t together, you know how Allied was supposed to be Brad’s big Oscar-bait film this year and they were going to do a big, splashy promotion? Yeah, that’s not going to happen. According to the Sun, Brad has “pulled out of all press commitments for upcoming movie Allied.” He “has refused” to participate in the junkets, any and all TV interviews and he might even refuse to attend the premiere. Some people think Brad might just briefly pose on the premiere carpet and then go inside without speaking to any press outlets, but others think Pitt’s strategy is just to lay low and avoid the cameras completely. Sources also say that the other actors – notably Marion Cotillard – will be doing interviews, but the studio is telling journalists not to ask the other actors about Brad.
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Kelly Rutherford. Chris Brown. Halle Berry.
These are all case studies for Angelina and her team.
He admitted to what he’s done in his statement to People. He admitted to being inebriated and accidentally harming his son. This isn’t a Kelly Rutherford situation.
The point isn’t whether or not he did these things.
The point is that the courts do not award solo custody just because the mother wishes it to be so.
Chris Brown is the poster child for wronguns, including publicly known violent behaviour and convictions and he still got joint custody.
Kelly and Halle went the publicity route to try to influence the courts and they still didn’t get solo.
The point is that she won’t get solo, and in the process she’ll lose her public reputation.
One thing is joint custody another one is physical joint custody and in Halle there wasnt DCPS intervention.
Public reputation LOL Do you think she cares? She is used to it. the only one whose reputation went down was Pitt.
Brad never admitted to anything that you say he did. Brad has made one statement regarding this entire situation. And it was never an admission of guilt. He’s not going admit anything publicly, if, it did happen. It’s allegedly, as anything he said could be used against him. His attorney would tell him to stay silent, publicly on the issue. And i don’t count so called sources as Brad admitting to anything. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I don’t know and neither does anyone else. I do know that Brad never admitted to anything.
Ana, if she didn’t care, she wouldn’t have gone yo tge trouble of changinb her early reputation to the one she currently has. Ditto sending cease and desist letters to idiots like Perez and Etheridge.
Angelina is a celebrity and she clearly cares about her image like all celebrities. She surely know if her accusations do not have any merit they will hurt her image. She won’t get full physical custody. It’s clearly impossible for celebrities to not get joint custody in California. However, if Brad does have issues how would it help their children being raised by a father with issues? If she’s right, Brad needs to deal with his issues. It goes beyond their failing marriage, but what type of relationship Brad will have with his kids in the future. And if the idea of children having a strong relationship with their parents according to family law, that won’t happen if a parent has problems.
I work in family law. It is unlikely that he will not be granted joint custody if he wants it. The ideal is for the children to have a strong relationship with both parents. Including situations where divorce has caused problems to escalate or substance abuse to come to light and when DCFS is involved. The thing that no one mentions is that both parents are looked at by DCFS and in most cases BITH parents are found to need counseling, anger management classes and drug testing or any combination of these. This is almost always initiated by the angry parent. Also, parents who ask for sole custody are generally viewed as having control issues which is a major cause of parental alienation. If he is violent, the court will sniff it out. Every family lose their tempers and many families drink. It’s finding out whether or not the children will be harmed or neglected. Angelina can testify to what has been her experience but she has no power in the decision or as to whether Brad needs to ‘get his stuff together’ the judge will put him in his place if needed. My instincts tell me that she has control issues that will cause her problems in court proceedings. Again, all speculation.
LOL Angelina the bitch. LOL .
Ana: I’m sorry. I don’t follow. Was your comment in response to mine. These threads are confusing. Anyway, just in case, I’d like to clarify that I’m not name calling or characterizing here. I AM pointing out my experience and that this is a VERY common scenario. The way the court sees it, parenting should have nothing to do with divorce. They were adult enough to make them together and it’s their responsibility to parent them together and it’s a good thing when both parents wish to do so. The alternative is parental alienation, abandonment or absenteeism.
Thank you for your post and coming from you own experience in family law. You answered questions that I’v had.
That’s kind of you Jerry. My instincts tell me that both parents will thrive as parents outside of this relationship as long as joint custody exists. It can be a buffer in contentious divorce by protecting the children from feeling they have to choose sides. It also helps the parents from being mired in acrimony which helps the kids. Moving forward in creating two separate homes that are warm and welcome is the goal.
A good summary Anna, and thanks for adding your experience to the comment to clarify the usual position in these matters.
I specifically mentioned those case studies because there is a parallel in terms of public reputations, media manipulation and how that worked out in the end for those concerned.
People blinded by Angelina’s humanitarian persona are not willing to see that her moves are hurting her. We have extreme examples of people who acted in similar fashion and or took it too far in the case of Kelly Rutherford, and none got their way.
Anna – Sorry. nothing against you. Is just because you said she has control issues. That’s not a bad thing. Women must control men LOL.
If you want to know my opinion, I actually think she should give him joint physical custody because it’s good for both of them and the children. Angie is young and she also has the right to find happiness. Its going to be much easier for her to do that co-parenting.
LAK – I would agree that this is hurting her case. These judges at Stanley Mosk courthouse have seen it all. What they are looking for are people who parent their kids. None of us are ideal parents and they know that. What we don’t want is an absent parent who moves on and creates another family leaving this one behind. Judges are looking for both parents to step up and are glad when they do. Too many kids in LA without dads. It is always best to leave your opinions about the other parent out of earshot of the children and in this case the media. Put it in your declaration to the court where it belongs.
The idea that women who seeks sole custody have control issues and/or try to harm the dad is both misogynist and dangerous.
My mom was forced to share custody with my dad when they separated. Even though everyone knew that he had both aggression issues and was a drug addict. My mom couldn’t even try to seek sole custody because then they might have thought she was trying to harm my relation ship with my dad and given my dad sole custody.
This is not just a single bad story. Most of my friends with one parent with problems with substance abuse and domestic violence have the same story. In my country there’s also a phone number kids can call to talk about their issues anonymously with adults. Every year they receive many calls from kids who are forced to stay with an abuse parent and the social services do nothing even though their home situation is known.
We need to stop thinking that women are plotting liars who are out to destroy men with lies about domestic violence, sexual abuse or rape! And to those of you who think that you know some guy who was wrongly accused of rape or physical abuse: How do you know they didn’t do it? Almost all our abusers was friendly and social and considered “nice and good men”.
Anna- I agree with your assessment totally. I have worked with men in the system and when I saw that she was going after only monitored visitation (per TMZ) I thought maybe he’s into killing kittens and we haven’t heard yet. Point is that the court would not go that route with what we know and I agree that the parent who pushes for such an extreme doesn’t help themselves since it makes them look like they are alienating and not looking out for children’s best interest. This is what screws women in dv cases sometimes & those guys usually get some form of custody in the end so this is extreme.
Anna and LAK, agree completely.
Anna, thank you for your thoughtful and balanced view. I’m also familiar with custody issues both from work and my own personal experience as a kid of divorce (and a victim of parental alienation by a narcissistic mother) and the way Angelina handles it raises all kinds of red flags for me but I don’t comment much since this is a very sensitive issue and most people can’t deal with the fact that she maybe less than 100% perfect. I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment.
Thank you for your informed post, Anna.
I would think the courts would want to see both parties working towards a co-parenting situation. I hope in this case they’re able to do that, but right now it seems very contentious.
Or maybe Angelina is worried about her kids. It’s baffling that people are dismissing her fears just because they believe that Brad is a nice guy. Saying Angelina is a lying, narcissistic, control freak is extreme considering nobody has an real info. I don’t think Brad is abusive but why people think it’s impossible that he has problems is ridiculous.
LAK, I’m a little confused by your saying “The point isn’t whether he did or didn’t do these things, and courts don’t award solo custody just because the mother wishes it so.” I think whether Brad was violent or threatening IS important. If he has had a pattern of abusive and/or violent behavior, then I can see any good mom fighting for solo custody with supervised visitation, and the court at least setting temporary solo custody until he proves he is no longer any danger. If she has exaggerated the danger he poses in order to keep more control of the children, then that would indeed remind me of the Kelly Futherford or Halle Berry cases. But we don’t know the facts yet, so I would not brand her as a vindictive control freak until more facts are in.
Nikki: You chastise me for arguing caution whilst believing everything being said about him, not to mention the fact that solo custody is nigh on impossible except in extreme circumstances.
LAK, Nikki didn’t say she believes everything said about him or anything said about him. She said we need to wait till all the facts are in before jumping to conclusions. Brad’s conduct on the plane would indicate that he may indeed have substance abuse and anger management issues. I notice you have no problem believing the worst about Angie before you have any information about what is actually going on.
Carmen, i’m going off the fact that her manager said she is divorcing for ‘the good of the family and Brad’s anger issues and substance abuse issues’. That statement was unnecessary and it immediately put Brad in the worst light possible. That is on her and i judge her accordingly.
If Brad had responded in kind, i would be judging him as well.
He didn’t and i do not.
Further, she has filed for sole custody. We have seen the outcome of such an action from the examples i’ve given, and i’ve made it very clear those examples are extremes. Nonetheless, filing for sole custody plus a negative public statement about your ex-partner doesn’t end well as those examples have shown.
If I thought my partner had substance abuse and anger management issues, I’d file for sole custody in a New York minute, whatever my chances were of actually getting it, I don’t think she’s trying to tear Brad down, I think she’s trying to protect her kids.
That said, I side-eye anything TMZ says unless it’s backed up by a creditable source.
LAK, I didn’t feel I was chastising you; it just didn’t make sense to me when you said his actions were not important. I mentioned the possibilities of it being either of them at fault because you seemed to be anti-Angelina. I think we can have different viewpoints respectfully, especially as I adore and envy your use of the word “whilst”!
Nikki/Artemis: i’m not downplaying what he may have done. As i clarified later, my comments are in the context of the media stategy. In that sense, what he may have done privately doesn’t matter.
It’s the public message and that’s where i feel she’s not being smart because once in public, she needs to follow through in order for that strategy to work in the face of a beloved celebrity opponent without priors of this type of accusation. See Amber Heard’s follow through.
My case studies are half in the context of their media play and half the results of filing for solo custody.
They lost on both fronts.
Exception Chris Brown who was on the other side where his baby mama was seeking sole custody. In the event she lost too. And he is far more problematic than Brad Pitt.
No. A case study would be comparable. Neither of these women had abuse claims investigated by the DCFS against their partner. Kelly MADE up claims to get her ex out of the country and then refused to cooperate when he was trying to exercise his parental rights. She was a controlling and manipulative liar who tried to alienate her children from the father and the courts didn’t take kindly to it and gave a fair ruling for the case.
Gabriel Aubry, while a damn leech for trying to live off Halle’s money, never attacked Nahla. Incidents happened with Halle and Oliver, but Halle was also complicit in trying to alienate Nahla from Aubry and didn’t help custody matters in general. Aubry exercised his parental rights and Halle took a seat and that’s that.
Chris Brown. Nobody should be using Chris Brown of all people to make a point. But if we have to drag him in. He only has visitation, unlike the JPs who were parenting together. Jolie wants initial visitation until he gets his crap together. Brown will never get his crap together and I doubt he even wants to share custody. Anybody with a brain can see he’s an unfit human but the courts are granting him access to his daughter most likely because there hasn’t been any incident of child abuse. Until there is, they probably don’t see him as a threat. I know courts don’t put that much weight on substance abuse or even criminal behavior when they think/assume it won’t impact the child(ren) negatively. They are taking a calculated risk as they often do. I wouldn’t call it a good example for the JP case but ok.
Pitt, due to his own actions, had the DCFS investigating him and extending the investigation over a longer period of time, involving more possible incident with more children. Regardless of the situation before the plane incident or personal opinions about their celebrity status and family life, something happened on that plane that made somebody worry about the safety of the children and the DCFS agreed and did their job. When everything said and done, the kids are being protected and the court HAS to take that into account. It’s sheer madness to think that the DCFS investigation is something not to take into account when talking about this case. Any family court worth their salt, should think about the safety of the children and so should any commenter on the internet or off when talking about custody cases in regards to child abuse.
At the end of the day, they were a couple co-parenting, Pitt abused his kid (emotionally or physically, it’s all deplorable) and Jolie did what a good mother does: keep them safe, away from the abuser (and she’s still protecting him by reiterating it would be only temporary for the visits). God knows she must have endured loads for her oldest to come to her defense. This is incredible brave and difficult, regardless of her resources. You don’t just ditch a life with your husband for just substance abuse or family arguments. Bye Felicias.
Thank you thank you.
@Artemis finally! someone had to say it. Thank you.
Athanks, Artemis, for this long, interesting post. I just had to add, when you said nobody ditches a marriage just for substance abuse, I WOULD! Both my parents were alcoholics, and when I married, I told my husband how much I’d hated living in that household, and that I’d NEVER live with an alcoholic or drug addict again. I told him if he started to abuse substances, Id divorce him in a NY minute, and never expose any kid of mine to that. (Luckily, he’s been clean living, except for an annual tequila binge with our next door neighbor!!). Sadly, both my sisters married alcoholics, and my brother became one, so I don’t feel guilty for taking a firm stand. Addicted parents can do terrible things for kids..
Well said LAK.
This is really no ones business. I wish BOTH sides would put a gag on all these “sources” that are leaking stories to the press.
i think no one is speaking and that TMZ is “speculating”.
Nah tmz sucks but they get their info from leaks typically. I agree both sides need to put a lid on it
TMZ is spinning. They have gotten so much WRONG.. now they are pissed. They just said last week that Brad was not filing.. they have been saying stuff then backtracking. This is not different. I don’t think anyone is leading anything. Most of the stories I have seen are stories from tabloids that everyone is picking up and putting their take on.. Nobody knows squat.
And neither Brad nor Angie have said anything for the record. Brad released 2 statements.. Angie just 2 through her lawyer. Nothing else has been said.
Agreed. The more they leak out, the more we will spin theories and speculation. A gag order on both sides will also help keep this private and that is needed since the lives of their kids are involved.
They are celebs so of course the court of public opinion is important to them both. I don’t see why it is shocking that a couple that made their relationship and family the focal point of their public image for the entirety of their time together wouldn’t continue in that tradition when said relationship and family are unraveling.
As for this news, I hope she can protect her kids from him since he can’t seem to protect the kids from himself.
I agree with Sixer from an earlier post today, all we have is speculation and rumors. And when i first read what went down I thought maybe AJ is trying to Protect the kids so she took a hard line against Brad. BUT, what if this is all a strategic plan to rake him through the mud so that in the end she achieves her ultimate goal of sole custody?????
We all know she is a master at this game and we all know she alienates those she once loved. So I’m not taking any theory off the table because we will never know and all we can do is speculate.
Why would she need to do that at all? Angelina does not have a history of doing that with her previous husbands. She has been remarkably consistent with her ex-partners/family/friends. When she felt that they no longer fit in her life (whether it be that they are on different paths or are toxic ie. her blabbermouth father), she either filed for divorce or moved on-just like she is doing with Brad. You should not keep people in your lives who endanger your well-being or add little to no positive value in your life. You should also not hope and pray that someone will change until your prayers are answered, most especially when the other person has no interest in changing on their own free will.
A lot of people seem to forget that the main reason she is doing what she is doing is because of Brad’s behavior on that plane with their kids. He is not an innocent victim that you and a lot of other people are trying to make him out to be. She is thinking about what would be best for her kids, and having a drunk and belligerent Brad in their lives is not healthy for them in the long run. Healthy, sane, and sober Brad would be better for them.
Yes, Jolie seems to be on good terms with all her exes and has never said anything I can recall that can be seen as rude or insulting towards them. On the other hand Pitt had no problem spending years throwing shade at his ex wife. Sure she threw back her own blows towards him, but my point is that he has shown he is very comfortable going after an ex whereas Jolie has never done anything like that.
ITA lot of people forget is that this is all Brads doing, dont get drunk and fight with your wife and have a nose to nose stand of with your Minor son on a plane in front of your other minor kids and plane staff/witnesses. People forget that DCFS hasn’t actually closed their investigative case yet. I’m just glad it’s not the other way round if it was Angelina doing this, can you believe how media and people would have savaged Angelina if it was her.
@guest: If it was Jolie being accused the media would have made her out to be a modern day Cronus; just out to devour her own kids. It would have been savage, there would be no sympathy.
Angelina threw Billy Bob Thornton under the bus when she left him. She gave an interview to Us Magazine before it was a weekly, tabloid magazine. She heavily implied that he was having affairs on her when he was on the road with his band. He said that he didn’t, yes, it’s him, so, questionable. She didn’t talk to him for over a year, maybe, going on two. And after they talked, she then said later, that he didn’t have affairs on her. Yes, she’s said things when she’s angry and hurt. I’m not defending Brad, as whatever happened on the plane, brought on this mess. To say that Angelina has never said a bad thing about an ex husband, yes, she did and she did it in an interview.
Jerry – Yes Angelina did that. She won’t do anything similar with Brad. They may not even talk again but I am sure she still loves him as he still loves her. This is the case of two people wo will always love each other even if they don’t want. I totally see them being friends with benefits in the near future. LOL
Ana, I’m sure that they do still love each other. She said a few years ago that they had a very passionate relationship, so they both probably fight passionately, so to speak. She also said that they drove each other beautifully crazy so they know hot to push each others buttons. I don’t know about the friends with benefits, it might happen. I just don’t with these two, if it will. I’m just sad that this has all come to this. Sad for the two of them, but, especially, their children. This wasn’t in their plans. You know what they say about plans, life happens when you’re busy making other plans. lol No, I don’t think that either one of them will say anything against the other. It would serve no purpose and it would hurt their kids. My hope is that they’re both able to put their love for their kids before any feelings that they may be having for each other, at this time.
Except that the DCFS investigation would have wrapped up by now if that were the case. Usually they have to determine whether the accusations are founded or unfounded pretty quickly (like within 48 hours). If they are founded (in other words, any kind of evidence) they then investigate. It takes hard evidence often for the findings to be founded. Not just he said she said kind of stuff. It is possible there is special treatment here but I can’t imagine DCFS wanting to be involved if they could avoid it because there is absolutely no winning for them here. No matter what they do, the losing side will blast DCFS publicly. My guess is that something really did happen and they are requiring both sides to follow certain steps before this is wrapped up. During the investigation, DCFS may have also found a history of behavior.
Not necessarily. DCFS would have acted if there was an altercation. But now, they’re just acting to see through the visitation for the final agreement to be instated. Two different things all together. If DCFS had found he’s unfit, they’d not grant any visitation. Also, Both parents were sent to counseling which is normal, and both parents are tested and investigated. If Angelina filed specific claims against him, then they are investigated but its been weeks right, we were told what the plan is and its nothing more than making the kids comfortable and finalizing the investigation for divorce.
Actually, the investigation is going on this long because there are allegations of drug and alcohol abuse, and emotional abuse prior to the incident on the plane. If they had enough information to prove these allegations are true, the case would be closed. They’re either gathering an enormous amount of proof against him or they’re doing their due diligence in investigating the claims. My guess is due diligence. I think evidence to the contrary would have been leaked by now.
Alienates the ones she loved?????? She is friends with Johnny Lee Miller, Billy Bob Thornton (wrote the intro to his book). So what are you talking about? If anything it is just the opposite. She is friends with all her past loves.
everyone is busy “blaming” her but conveniently forgotten that he said that he had hit maddox – if it was that clear cut then why haven’t the dcfs finished up already – ? he has admitted that it happened. this was the last straw for her – and she is being raked over the coals for her past relationships? i am sure that they will have joint custody but one has to admit that it is just sad that she is being blamed for his own behaviour – there are zero excuses for hitting a kid
I have no horse in this race, really. But this is re-writing history – Brad did not say that he “hit” Maddox. He said that he “put his hands on him.” That sounds like a push. Whether this is actually what happened, I don’t know. But Brad never admitted to hitting Maddox. TMZ has been saying this but that doesn’t make it so.
Seraphina – my intention with that post was to say that ALL theories should be taken OFF the table and out of public discussion. We don’t know what happened and we shouldn’t know what happened. Neither side should be briefing gossip outlets, if in fact either side is. We shouldn’t be speculating in specific terms about what did or didn’t happen to a child.
I don’t give a stuff about the parents in this – either of them. I give many stuffs about the privacy of children – these children and all children.
Sixer, I completely understand what you implied in your posted statement. And then I added my own speculation to the rumors and leaked information.
Sorry if I offended you.
I understand that, Seraphina. But you made it look as though I had said I thought theorising was ok when it’s the opposite of what I think. Or I am being oversensitive and thought it did. Either way, just clarifying the record – no personal problem!
She hasn’t alienated either of her exes. She’s on good terms with both. And her father alienated her long before she broke off contact with him.
I hope she really said this. My babe.
And he’s refusing to do… his job? Ya made your bed buddy. Time to lay down.
I’m surprised Brad is completely ditching his promos….then again, if it is the Sun they rarely have their facts in order. Many celebs have undergone scandals and trotted out a few weeks later. They essentially refuse to answer questions or change the topic. I suppose that he may worry about his words being taken out of context (I remember Scientology Bot Cruise talking about some film in an interview and some low level tab clearly used his questions way out of context to make it seem like he was talking about Katie).
It sounds like Angelina will give him joint custody if he gets his as* into rehab. An older, somewhat respected French actor basically talked about how Brad lived off whiskey when they were shooting a film…….I wonder why he won’t go. Either way, both sides need to stop leaking to the press.
I agree. 1. it’s his JOB for god’s sake 2. He’s not the first nor last to go through a divorce 3. He can say “no comment” if anyone is rude enough to ask him such personal questions
So he has some ways to do this and he owes his fellow actors and crew to get his ass to promos.
Unless he is in rehab already, which maybe? isn’t that how hollywood solves it’s issues?
i agree with you,i believe he is in rehab.
It’s from the Sun. Please. The Sun?
“I play a good drunk because I’ve been a good drunk.” – Brad Pitt.
He was a bad drunk that night on the plane.
I don’t think he should completely ditch the promo’s. He’s going to have to come out sooner or later, might as well do it now. It seems from a lot of comments people sympathize with him. No reason for him to stay on lock down, if he didn’t do anything..
Good for her .
If brad has all these issues and indeed fought with his kid in a plane then hell yes make sure he has his shit together before let him be a parental.
I still wish this was kept private and less messy on public eyes but it does seem the only reality check brad can grasp has to be done out in open.
So either he is a substance abuser with anger issues, with altercations with one or all of his kids or she is an overreacting control freak. Or a little from column a and column b.
Shit needs to be gotten together by them both behind closed doors.
Consciously uncouple, ugh never thought I’d say that.
yep. enough already of the leaks to the press. think of the children, people 🙁
He is not doing the promotional tour for his film with Marion Cotillard. Very unprofessional.
If I was the producer I’d be pissed. Angie is right, he needs to get his shit together be it in his private life or in his professional life, he needs to get it together. Life goes on.
You banked the millions for the film now you get your ass on that promotional red carpet.
This whole thing sucks for Marion Cotillard. She’s been accused of homewrecking, had to issue public statements that her husband (partner?) is the father of her child, and now her film isn’t going to get the type of publicity anticipated. In all likeloohood she had no connection to any of this.
I don’t think the film is all that they are making out to be, maybe its good of Marion and sit this out too, she has Assassin Creed coming out next month she will concentreat on that instead of allowing people to speculate on the father of her unborn child LOL
@guest. Fassbender (the producer and star of the film) is just barely promoting Assassins instead focusing all of his attention on that flops The Light Between Oceans and seems uninterested in it which is making fans of the game think the movie sucks and isn’t making anyone else that isn’t already a fan want to watch it. So I don’t think that movie will be the saving grace for her if Allied does badly.
I am with Betteyrose, this sucks for Marion.
I have felt bad for her since the beginning, and hate that she had to issue a statement herself. She did nothing but work with the guy a few months ago, and suddenly was thrown into the middle of it.
This does suck for Marion , but I don’t blame Brad for pulling out of his publicity commitments. He needs his full attention on his personal life right now.
I agree. For those that can afford it, both Pitt and Jolie, taking time off to deal with this kind of family upheaval is wise, and an incredible luxury. I don’t know what on Jolie’s schedule but, I imagine, she will clear it. The difference is that Jolie will be praised for it.
i disagree. A big part of the success of a film is its promotion.
If he pocketed the money for the job he should honor his commitment and do what he needs to do.
It is all about credibility for the film. If the actor doesn’t even show up why should I go watch his film?
Brad is being incredibly unprofessional with this move
He may not promote it bit he has sure given it tons of publicity. Sadly, the studio may be eating up. Publicity that you can’t buy.
I wonder if, knowing it will still get publicity either way, the studio told him to sit out the promotion. They’re getting a round of stories out of him NOT doing anything right now, plus then they don’t have to deal with the craziness of it all.
I disagree. It’s not at all professional of him to let his personal problems interfere with his professional commitments. He’s not the first person in Hollywood to go through a contentious divorce and he won’t be the last.
No one knows if he is or isn’t. The story came from The Sun, not a legitimate source. Paramount has said that he will be going to China. Brad’s always been a professional and promoted his films. And if he does do promotion, which, I think he will. People will be on his butt for it too. They’ll say, he shouldn’t be worrying about his career, etc. He should not doing any promotion.
I’m getting really tired of this guy. He’s acting like a big whiny baby with a major case of the sulks. What does he plan to do, unload the whole responsibility of promoting the film on Cotillard? As if she hasn’t been through enough already, being dragged into his marital mess in the first place. Somebody needs to tell him to put on his big boy pants and man the hell up.
This all comes down to what child services say, that will form the basis of whatever the court decides. I hope there is no mud slinging, but it is inevitable now that at least one of them will come out looking bad. The positive is that it will be based on a thorough investigation by professionals whose sole interest is the welfare of the children.
I am extremely bothered by the wording in all these articles. “Angelina says no to joint custody,” “Angelina says joint custody won’t happen,” “Angelina will give Brad joint custody.” These custody decisions are not hers to make. She can request primary custody from a judge (as she has done), but let’s stop acting like her wants rule the damn day.
I understand what you mean. However, I don’t think anyone literally thinks that Angelia gets to decide on custody issues. It’s just their way of saying she doesn’t want it to happen, while also painting her as a crazy and controlling lady.
You do know its not her that is saying this but TMZ. Again TMZ is contraindicating its self from one day to another. At least the article has done its job and attacked Angelina and the rest of teh media have ran with it, Angelina always the bad guy.
Of course she not the one go decide , i font thinkWell if she has request for joint custody then it would be easier for him.. no drama and settle before going to court but if she said no .. there will be a whole lot of process
My hope is that the tone of these so-called insiders is their tone alone, because doesn’t sound like someone concerned about the ‘health of the family’. It sounds controlling and frankly, too bitter for someone presumably on the higher ground.
I don’t understand the weird hate-on for Angie and how people just want her to be this conniving villainess.
I don’t understand the hate to the point of demonizing her. I get people not liking her and critiquing her flaws but some really truly hater her. ex. Chelsea Handler.
She’s no saint and she’s not a demon either.
I don’t have a hate-on for Angelina… yet. She’s just as human as Brad is,. However, if the motivation behind all of this is designed to destroy ‘the brand’ that she was instrumental in creating, given she was the primary spokesman, so to speak, at the expense of the kids, then I have a problem. It is early days and hopefully, we’ve seen the worst of it.
And on a personal note, I automatically side-eye any woman who uses her children as an excuse/alibi for her decisions, good or bad, mainly because I lived with one, and usually the bad decisions are eventually used in a future guilt trip.
If true, good for her. Stick to your guns about protecting the kids and keeping his issues in the forefront. It was his behavior that caused all of this and I like that she constantly reminds him of this. If he did not have the anger issues and substance abuse, she more than likely would have stayed with him because she loved him. He has not once denied have a substance or anger issue problem, nor did he deny that an incident occurred at all. His team tried to deflect blame off of him by using cutsy words for their version of what happened on the plane to make it look like a normal situation. And given how many people have tried to villainize Angelina for in every post about this whole situation, it does seem like it is working.
I hope she is getting as much support as possible during this time. I don’t think that this is going to end like his other relationships where he came out smelling like roses. He can end this all by actually acknowledged the real problem (him) and getting it fixed for his future health and any future relationship with his kids.
If it wasn’t for the incident they llved 12 years yes? Im not saying they dont need to do what needs to be done. I want both to be happy. Stop looking like idiot children and stop getting your furstration on one another in front of everyone I know its easy said than done . Divorce is not easy.good luck and be realistic its important.imo
she is doing her best for her kids – if he is unable to handle himself after a plane journey and lashes out then what happens if he is with the kids alone? would it happen again if any of the kids provoke him? raising kids is not easy even with nannies and stress is always there but sd he be allowed to have the kids is the question. i hope that she gets sole custody with visitation for him at the moment
IF True?!?..I say go ahead girl!..love em both but obviously she saw some sort of behavior that warrants this type of “stipulation”I if u will & apparently Brad is in denial to that!..She’s not say NEVER,she’s saying address your shit first..sorry in all this Angelina has been “A MOM”!..Angie knows what divorce does to a family so she wouldn’t be doing this without a valid reason..prayers for healing for the whole fam
Do people really think she would ask sole physical custody if she hasn’t her receipts? Pitt had a miserable year always travelling solo. Even in father’s day he was alone in France. I guess he will have to tell a story well told to those judges.
They all need help and Yeah if I was a family court Judge I would take the matter under advisement and send all those kids to boarding school.
You really think separating the kids from each other when they seemed to have spent every moment together or with at least one of their parents is a good idea? That sounds horrible.
The sooner the better
sending the kids to boarding school doesn’t help anyone – the kids are all used to be together
They could go to the same boarding school. But seriously the poster is a fake family court judge, making up a fake an unprecedented ruling on a case they have not heard. Maybe in that reality they are better off in a fake, made up boarding school. Maybe it is awesome there?
If one day they become a family court judge and are miraculously assigned to this case then you can worry.
A family court judge may appoint the children the own representation, correct? That may happen if this gets contentious in court, not in the tabloids. Also, I hope the children continue counseling if need be, and the parents, but I don’t know if that can be court ordered. Does someone here know?
Yes, the court has probably already appointed their own representation. It’s pretty standard. When the father of my oldest grandson came into his life, a guardian ad litem was immediately appointed. It was someone not associated with either parent. The guardian ad litem determines what would be best for the children and the court takes his/her opinion seriously.
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In a world where Chris Brown can obtain share joint custody and unmonitored visits, her camp is quite optimistic to proclaim joint custody won’t happen.
Sadly, the courts often do not consider violence against the mother when determining custody. I’ve heard a judge tell a woman that just because her ex hit her, it didn’t mean he would hit is children. It’s insane.
My speculation: Brad is ditching Allied promotion to go to rehab/detox. I’m thinking that’s the only good reason for him skipping out on these commitments.
perhaps he sd have done that much earlier
If that is true then good if he needs it. Better late then never.
I don’t think he will completely ditch promotion. He will do just a select few interviews.
Or he could surprise everyone and show up, similar to the WWZ promotions/preview screenings. Call me suspicious, I think he would take this ghost-like tack just in case ‘Angelina’s side’ decide to throw out more accusations and shade that would make for an uncomfortable red carpet.
Alot of celebs go to rehab just to “rehab” their image after a substance-involved scandal-they may not actually “be” addicts. If he is in fact going to rehab/detox instead of promoting the film, it may be something he is doing to be able to prove he can retain custody.
I’m not sure if I believe anything from TMZ. Didn’t they just say Brad wasn’t going to file and then Brad filed. They also said Brad would file on October 20th, but they were also wrong about that. They keep saying things and later backtracking their stories or acting like the previous stories they printed weren’t false.
If this article has some truth to it, I don’t think Angelina would suggest Brad has substance abuse issues unless she has actual proof. She’s a celebrity and humanitarian. She surely knows if her accusations are false it will hurt her image.
Her kids come first. She won’t be able to prevent him from getting joint custody. However, I do hope when he gets joint custody and if he has issues, he gets help for them. Their kids need their mother and father, but it’s going to hurt them having a father that doesn’t realize he has issues.
All of this is speculation but no one finds it strange Brad spent Father’s Day away from his kids this year. In the last year, we’ve seen Angelina’s brother traveling with Angelina and the kids when it used to be Brad, Angelina, and the kids traveling together.
I dont’t think Pitt was in rehab, read what Jolie just said shit together seems, not yet, time is push now he must go to promote, his not thingking about his family, he could done this a weeks ago, why now, sorry for Jollie I am sure she;s doing this not for money, she;s rich enough, and James Packer is single now,
The fact that Some people are even Blaming Angelina in all this is just WOW!!you’d swear she was the one who “had an Episode”in all This!…Goodness knows had she been the one investigated how the reaction would be
He will get custody and she will be discredited that way easy. So my advise is settle this so they can get on better without no one “winning” …after 12 years you can’t just say he is “issue” now. How you made it 12 years then? That’s a question for both? The kids just get important now? Any way good luck.
Uh how about he changed in the 12 years & she protected his “tendencies”in the process
Small, seemingly insignificant behavior can eventually grow and become big, uncontrolled issues.
My (former) best friend of 20+ years didn’t start off being a raging, controlling alcoholic with anger issues. It didn’t become an issue until year 18 or 19.
We don’t speak now. Her cumulative behavior those last 4-5 years destroyed 15 years of awesome. It happens.
Lol at TMZ.
Anyway, this is what was said in the very beginning of this mess. She was only seeking temporary sole custody until Brad could sort his issues out.
Oh, I was just thinking about The War of the Roses
Oh , please, they took that from TMZ which is being dramatic. You really think that “Angelina’s side” would use phrase like “The War of the Roses”?
Who knows, SaraR, who knows. There’s AJ and BP, and then there are dozens and dozens of people who are affiliated with them in some way. TMZ could be getting quotes from their lawyers’ office services guy for all we know lol
Geez, why is all this being leaked and waged in public?
Messy careless parents. I lose all care for anyone who has sources that report to TMZ for any reason at all. Those kids have access to the internet and no kid wants their deeply personal family business out in public. We were teenagers once. Man I would be telling both of my parents to shut their damn mouths so loud they would think I’d been possessed by the devil himself. I’d say it on every language. Mom, protect me by shutting this sheyatt show down right the hayell now. And dad, put the smoke down and wash your hair you look stupid. No one needs to know this mess but them
I think people are forgetting or completely missing the point that she DOESN’T WANT sole custody to be permanent. From the get-go she has said it’s meant to be on a temporary basis.
She does not want Brad’s parental rights stripped. She does not want him gone. She WANTS Brad in their lives.
Getting sole custody WHILE WAITING for Brad to get his s**t together confirms this. Clearly, he has some issues to deal with. I don’t think bolting the way she did signifies a minor issue or incident. Maddox DOESN’T want to see his dad. That’s significant.
I’m not saying Brad is a possible violent serial killer or a step away from ODing, but I see nothing wrong with this temporary arrangement. Why should the children be subjected to a parent who is going through uncontrolled substance or anger issues?
Less leaks, more peace. Children come first. Sad all around.
1. Are you kidding me? He will do all the promotion:US premieres, China,etc. Paramount is not a charity organization. His paycheck is 20 millions.
2. At the end, the custody will be 50-50. She is not stupid neither her lawyers…right?
TMZ scoops from angie’side are every week completely contradictories. smell like shit. oh please! I can’t believe they are lying about it.
3. So DCFS investigation is ongoing on, not closed? IF not seems they found proofs of some kind abusive behaviour. Just a speculation…But Brad again is getting a pass as usual.At the end of the day people forget it is HIS MESS and HIS DOING that they are in this situation with the DCFS
The chances of her getting sole custody are virtually zero. Her lawyers are good ones so I suspect she’s not really listening to them.
We really have NO idea what went down in the airplane.
And we have NO idea about the daily dynamics of the family.
All parents yell. NOT all parents are physically and emotionally abusive.
though I would love to paint Pitt as the bad guy, I do not see that at all. His kids always seem happy and adoring in his presence. He smokes and drinks. He may have an issue with both substances. BUT that still does not mean he is abusive with the kids.
Is he fooling around outside the marriage? Who knows….
It was a perfect storm and Angie freaked. She gathered her children and fled. I would have done the same exact thing. She was scared and angry and did the only thing possible, protect the kids.
This STILL does not mean Brad has stepped over the line with Maddox. But even if he did that one night on the airplane, that is awful. Traumatic for this kid, for the siblings and both parents. The people investigating I hope are good at their job. This therapy is wonderful. HAving the kids with only Angie now is probably a great idea as well. They feel safe with her and consistency is important right now.
But I agree with everyone else who believes in the long run, those children need their dad. Hopefully Angie’s anger will die down enough for her to see what is best for the kids.
I am disgusted by the comments on a certain Blind blog I like. EVERYONE talks about Angie as if she is evil incarnate and Brad the boy next door everyone loves. Life is never that simple and people are very complicated. I imagine there is no easy explanation for any of this.
Tbh the more I read how Angelina handles the press here, the more red flags pop up for me. The father must be a real and true monster if one’s willing to wash their dirty laundry in public like this. That, or someone’s got severe control issues.
Yeah, I still remember what it’s like to see your pa get raked over coals in the name of me, the child, when it got absolutely nothing to do with my welfare, and everything to do with my ma being angry, vindictive and needing to be in control of the narrative and me.
If you care about the children, you do not expose them to the sordid details of your divorce. You especially don’t do it in the press. My pa raised a hand against me, but what my mother did ‘in my name’ hurt me more than a single slap ever did.
‘For the children’ my ass. Both parents involved here I can empathise with, but not sympathise. It’s just weaponising the children. I’ve no doubt they care about their kids, but right now they care about beefing in public and gaining the upper hand more. Brad and Angelina both seem to be psychologically abusive, it’s just that one of them was dumb enough to get physical.
Shijel: So true. I’d never have expected Angelina to use the kids as weapons but that’s in effect what she’s doing. If she was truly concerned about the kids she would have kept all this extremely quiet, which we know she can since she has for the entire relationship with Pitt when it suited her goals, and she would never have released that toxic statement about divorcing for the health of the family etc.
It must suck for her that her narrative now that Pitt is the worst father ever is a little hard to swallow after she spent over a decade building him up as the perfect father in the media. I feel so bad for those kids. Any children deserve emotionally stable parents who are not narcissistic hollywoood stars.
Until you have child services show up & threaten to take your children unless you follow their rules, you have no idea what they are going through. She filed for divorce because her emotional state was thinking of her kids. At the time i don’t think she was thinking of the big media blow up, just getting the kids & finding a new home so that they weren’t taken. I’m sure she regrets the media storm but what is baffling to me is that brad gets a free pass. It was his behavior that brought all this about. Yet he gets sympathy & she is villified. For 12yrs she took all the media crap for being with brad & he got a free pass all throughout that time. She will never win in the eyes of the media & public because she will always be judged by her past & everyone believes brad is the humble, corn fed wholesome all american guy who farts sunshine. He will never do wrong in the eyes of the press.