What went wrong for Hillary Clinton? Twenty-four hours ago, we were wearing pantsuits to the polls and crying over the historic nature of this election, the idea that America was on the brink of electing its first woman president. The bad news came in waves throughout the evening and into the early morning: Hillary Clinton was not going to be president. She won every debate. She raised more money. She had the better surrogates. She was and is sane, reasonable and experienced. And she still lost across the board in so many states. What went wrong? Did the Wikileaks stuff hurt her more than anyone realized? Was the election a repudiation of Barack Obama and his eight years in office? Did FBI Director Comey’s actions throw everything into disarray? I don’t know. Politico tried to assess the “takeaway” for this Clinton loss, calling her a “footnote in history” and writing:
At 69 – having suffered the most humbling upset imaginable to a deeply, nearly fatally flawed opponent believed to be the only Republican contender she could actually defeat – is spent as political force. Clinton will forever be known as one of the worst closers in political history, a woman who was never capable of selling a wary public on herself, on account of her own shortcomings and paranoia or perhaps as a result of a sexism so ingrained in American culture women as well as men suffered from it.
The good news for Democrats: Clinton is now out of the way, clearing the road for a new generation of leadership with far less baggage. Despite her loss, the Democratic Party’s ideas remain more popular than the Republican platform on global warming, social issues, infrastructure spending, taxes and even immigration, Trump’s signature issue.
The bad news: What would have happened if the party had nominated Bernie Sanders – the 74-year-old socialist who Clinton dismissed as unelectable?
White voters finally found someone who spoke their language. The most telling comment of the entire election came when a pollster buttonholed an early Trump supporter, and asked her how she could possibly believe in a novice rabble-rouser with no distinct plans other than a slogan on a red hat. “We know his goal is to make America great again,” she said. “It’s on his hat.”
That wasn’t a small thing. Hillary Clinton had the whiff of Ivy League arrogance and spoke with the technocratic complexity of the Federal Register, coming across as a liberal given to lecturing Americans not inspiring them. For all his flaws, Trump speaks with gut-punch directness and an earthy, sledgehammer humor that succinctly channeled their anger.
It’s being said that Clinton didn’t speak enough to working-class white men, the overwhelming majority of whom came out in droves for Trump. White men: ruining it for everybody since 1968. Politico also points to the Comey letter as the final nail in the Clinton candidacy’s coffin, which I think it probably true. If the election had been held right after the third debate and before the Comey letter, I do think Clinton would have won. Is that naïve of me? Perhaps.
Politico also has a story about how people within the Clinton camp knew that everything was pretty “fragile” for them, and that Clinton had never really found her momentum. The thing that strikes me is that she never really was a good campaigner. I just didn’t think that mattered – I thought people could see through the superficiality of “being good at giving speeches” and elect her because she is a workhorse who will sit down and get things done. That didn’t happen.
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In the end I think the baggage of having the name Clinton was her undoing and yes i agree with the whole White man thing – it was the same type of voter who caused upset for Brexit, the poor working class with limited education/life experience. Trump (like Farage) appealed to the forgotten voter, the said profile above and it bit us all in the ass.
But I do agree that the result would have been different if Bernie was the Democrats chosen candidate but Clinton should still hold her head high and she did pave a path for another female candidate in the future.
As for Trump, give the court cases against him i give it 6 months before he is impeached.
Fingers crossed for MObama 2020
Wouldn’t mind that and I am not American. Trouble is: Michelle would be seen as Obama V2, and let’s face it, the fact that Obama was in office during much of the recession and hardship didn’t help.
Maybe Elizabeth Warren?
Cookiejar: Not American but what little I’ve seen of E Warren I hope she becomes the first female President. If America and the world at large survives 4 years of a Trump presidency…
As an outsider I blame the Democratic party for this mess, for sabotaging and not electing Bernie as their candidate. He could have easily won over the orange madman. Instead they went with their corrupt establishment candidate and look what happened.
It’s shocking that there are enough voters that fit that profile to get him elected. And if he’s impeached, then there’s Pence.
Talk about the lesser of 2 evils. I’d pick trump over pence. pence has already demonstrated he can get laws passed that repress the rights of people, at this point trump has only talked of it.
pence is the one to be most afraid of here.
I know. My boyfriend asked me what the scariest thing about this was and I answered “Pence”. There are lots of really scary things about this. I’m upset and incoherent.
Exactly
What is more shocking to me is how the Republican party, after their loss in 2012, talked about diversifying the party but instead have double down on their nationalist views. I begrudgingly write this, but way to go to those who really believe in Trump. Your candidate won. To those who didn’t have the balls to stand up to him, shame on you. You are cowards of the worst kind and I hope you feel it trying to make policies with him. I don’t know what is going to happen to the Democratic party in the future, but buckle up everyone, because it is going to be a bumpy ride.
This. When trump does something awful – and he will – and gets himself impeached we have to deal with pence. And I don’t think any trump supporter knows a thing about him. And let’s be honest, wasn’t there an article about how trump’s son outright said most of this would fall to the vp? So congrats trumpers, you’re essentially ushering in a wave of extreme religious nutbags who want to send us back to the dark ages.
Echoing what’s already been said — I’ll take Trump over Pence. The latter is really really scary(ier). Maybe Trump can be ‘handled’ to minimize some of the damage he plans to do? Unfortunately, I think that much of that handling will come from the military who have a very high stake in maintaining their favored $$-recipient status quo so it’s a questionable positive. Well, they’re all questionable positives at this point —
Unfortunately, President-Elect Trump (ugh that was awkward to type 😔) can only be impeached for crimes committed while in office. These cases cannot result in impeachment.
Fortunately he will probably commit six new crimes in his first six weeks giving us the ability to spend millions of tax payer dollars to rid ourselves of this man and wind up with a President Pence. 😖
And impeachment doesn’t always result in removal, especially when Congress holds a red majority.
Is that what you are all pinning your hopes on? Just what is it you imagine he’ll do? I am really curious.
CALI voted to legalize marijuana, so yay!
God I hope you’re right (fingers crossed)
Getting votes for impeachment and conviction could be almost impossible.
I’m a lifelong Independent who has always voted Democrat, voted for Obama twice, college educated with 3 degrees and progressive values and I voted for Trump. I could not vote for such a corrupt person, male or female, sex had nothing to do with it. I didn’t trust her in the 90’s or ‘ 08 and I don’t trust her now. I remember the Clinton White House and all the scandals mostly originating with Hillary. Fast forward 20 odd years and She sold out the state department. She cares nothing for the middle class or black voters. She fooled alot of people but she never fooled me.
Apparently there is a silent majority. A majority of hateful, sexist, xenophobic, bigoted people who think walls are more important than bridges. To them it is more important to look out for yourself than your country. What happened to us?
I whole heartedly agree. They’re coming out of the woodwork now. A dear friend of mine that I’ve known since I was a child came out as a Trump supporter tonight. She kept it hidden until now, I wept and felt so betrayed. She’s white and I’m Latina, growing up side by side we faced the world together. How she voted for him without even a thought towards people like me is sickening.
…calm down…apparently Trump received 29% of the Latino vote…why not ask some of your other friends why they voted for him…should be an interesting experience…
Why are you so sure that this white lady gave no thought to her vote?
They’ve always been there, they’re everywhere really, but most of us don’t know it. Until something like this or Brexit happens. The media don’t acknowledge they exist so how could anyone else know about them!! But there must be a lot of them.
Anyone who believes everyone who voted for brexit is racist is saying just over half the the UK population is racist. This is far from truth.
Oh absolutely. But this isn’t about how much the voters liked Donald Trump, it was about how much they hated Hillary Clinton.
This. Hatred HER based on years of false rhetoric and her gender.
I think that people that voted for Trump should take responsibility for their racist misogynist actions. They voted for him. I am sick of seeing people blame Hillary.
If you are a member of a marginalized group like I am that majority was never silent for you. It’s just other people are just waking up to that fact when really everyone should’ve been listening to us a year ago.
I do think the DNC underestimated sanders. I think they then failed to recruit his base effectively because of the BS they were pulling during the primaries. I said 5 months ago that apathy towards sanders base (figuring they would all jump to Clinton) helped nail an RNC win. 5 mil votes went to third party and Clinton lost every state sanders won.
Not only that but we now have a GOP controlled everything. I’ve never been more scared in my life or hated this country more.
This. So much this.
“If you are a member of a marginalized group like I am that majority was never silent for you.”
All of this, and also the fact that people might have just been lying through their teeth when pollsters would call…basically like maybe they were just embarrassed to admit to be voting for Trump, but when they got to the polling booth that’s what they did. And that skewed the polls for Clinton.
Whatever the reason, I can’t even really process it right now.
I don’t know so much about a silent majority (although I think there’s a lot of truth in that theory), however, as a Democrat myself, and as someone who was blasted here for saying so, she was the WRONG Democrat to run. WAY too much baggage. She was absolutely viewed as a liar. I’ll leave arrogant out of it since the Orange One has plenty of that too. The DNC did this to themselves and us. I’m horrified and so sorry. This was neither the outcome nor the vote I cast.
Stick a fork in her. It’s over for her.
So you’re saying Democrats who don’t like Clinton voted Trump instead? That’s crazy.
No, @Becky. I’m saying they didn’t vote period.
Early reports indicate that a large segment of the white male vote that had once gone to Obama (as a rebuke to the Republicans they once supported) went to Trump. This is a segment of the population that wants a miracle fix for their economic problems and they resent social progress because they feel it diminishes them. The thing is, all the stuff they’re angry about is not likely to change and there is every possibility that it will continue to move away from the things they idealize.
Plus Clinton supporters made tone-deaf condescension into such a science I think it’s now being offered as a class at local community colleges.
They aren’t the majority. She did win the popular vote. It just happens that we like to live near each other and in a lot of the same states. Mmm I wonder why that is?
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Because pot is legal in those states. Just sayin.
Yes, this wasn’t about the economy, it was about racism, sexism, homophobia.
And I can see him doing something really stupid with classified information.
I wonder how many months it will take him to get bored? He only really seemed to enjoy doing self-serving rallies.
I don’t think she’s a footnote: she was still First Lady and Secretary of State.
But as they said in Hamilton, she “Ain’t never gonna be president now”.
I do feel sad for Bernie – he really could have stood a chance against Trump since they were complete opposites – Clinton was too cautious with him.
Do you really think Sanders would have won?
Yes.
A Jewish socialist? Fat chance. They needed to run Biden.
Agreeing with LB, Sanders is too left.
No chance.
He absolutely would have won. I am a life long Republican and would have voted Bernie over anyone my party put forth this go round. I voted 3rd party this time
(non-swing state, don’t want to hear the bellyaching – Clinton won my state) because I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either Trump or Clinton.
He appealed to the same forgotten voter base as Trump, but came without the flip flopping baggage and say anything to get elected aura. He would have destroyed Donald Trump in my opinion.
I agree that Biden was probably the best choice. I do have my doubts about Biden too because I think that at least some of this vote has to do with Obamacare and they would have hung Obamacare around his neck. But Biden may have had a better chance than Hillary because he didn’t have the freaking server/email issue, which I get was overblown by Republicans, but still it existed and she handled it terribly from the get go. She never really took care of that and it did come back to bite her. And it bit her hard. And I agree with Kira, Clinton is in many ways the Democrat’s Romney, a flip flopper and voters on both sides see through that often times.
Bernie appealed to the privileged.
The white people who supported Trump would never have voted for a Jew. These are the white people who resent losing power to the other and Jews are the other.
wow
Isn’t Israel the holy land to white christians? I don’t think white people inherently dislike jews, I’m not buying that
Also, she was the first woman nominated from a major political party to run for president.
I don’t think Bernie would have won. The level of anti-Semitism that Trump used as a dog whistle in this campaign tells me more than I need to know about US voters. They would have never elected the first Jewish POTUS.
Kimble
Most HATE jews in power.
The Propaganda of the Beginning of the last Century was to blame everything on the jews.
That is still in the mind of the majority of people.
From Christanity AND Islam.
I think that’s unfair to her. She isn’t the worst closer in history.
That’s all I am going to say. I don’t think Hillary herself, lost this election. I think trump appealed to the lowest common denominator and piggybacked on years of Clinton-hate to win.
It’s different to me.
Thanks – I agree, Trump was a successful demagogue. I think also that misogyny is huge in the U.S. The older you get, the more you will know this is true.
Agreed. The amount of women that voted for that man and made excuses for him and also hated HC so much?! It really just shows you how ingrained misogyny and the thinking of “boys will be boys” is into our patriarchal society. Woman have been programmed to accept this as the norm and it makes me sick for my daughters. Will it ever change?
With you on this entirely. It’s like the not-so-silent majority’s been given a hall pass in middle school to be as obnoxious and hateful as they wanna be … and they’re going to glory in it. Demagogues appeal to the lowest possible denominator of our humanity and to an inherent laziness to think about things and make adult decisions. Any positive thoughts I have about this will come later. I hope.
Nan I agree misogyny is huge in the U.S. even in woman (The backlash against Angelina Jolie, Jenifer Aniston, Gwen Stefani and others celebrity womans is deplorable)
Oh, Nan. This is the absolute reality! I’m older now and it’s just so glaringly obvious.
Exactly. She lost because of factors outside of her control. Her tendency for unforced errors aside, there’s nothing she/her campaign could have done to change the result. She had a great ground game, her organization was on point, and most importantly, she, unlike him, showed that she is *actually qualified and competent* to be president.
Agreed. To me, the Politico article reeked of sexism.
I agree.
Yes, and the one thing Trump is really good at is marketing and selling. He sold himself to these voters. Most of them don’t know anything substantive he proposes to do, except build a wall and make Mexico pay for it and make America great again. Which could be code for taking us back to the 50’s with no opportunity for people of color or women but white men are doing great, or as some saw it nostalgia for a time that didn’t exist where we all had great jobs with money.
Still he is not conservative. A man who buys gold toilets, marries three times having multiple affairs, and is a New Yorker from Queens is most likely not what they think they bought. Certainly not socially conservative, and probably not fiscally conservative either. He really is the boss or owner of the company all the employees complain about. Yet they hired him. Good luck when the electorate wakes up and realizes OMG they hired a New Yorker who will run up a larger debt and horrors upon horrors most likely doesn’t believe in God and religion.
I am heartbroken. I want to bed crying and feel as though my faith in the nation died overnight.
I am so so upset. Shocked to the core. I have slept four hours. I don’t want to believe this is the new reality but I know I have to get used to it.
Virtual hugs to everyone. We will need them.
((Hugs)) back.
I was awake from 1230-230 and and woke for good 530 am. I’ll be a zombie by 9am 🙁
I’m truly saddened and disgusted. America’s true colors came out and it was disheartening to see the reality of the situation. Seeing people I thought were friends, reveling in the fact that Trump won. They didn’t make their choice known until after the fact. Their hidden racism and bias now free to brandish in public.
He has set a horrible precedent for America. He has empowered racists, misogynists and bigots. I have been crying non stop and can’t even sleep. It feels like a horrible nightmare and I hope I wake up soon.
Are we done yet? I’m waiting for this failed experiment called humanity to be just freaking over. The whole world is being taken over by xenophobes, racists and misogynists. I’m so damn tired. I don’t want to see history repeat itself so obviously like this.
My generation, the apparently lazy and useless Millennials, have a lot of cleaning up to do after this utter disaster is over. If we make it that far. This isnt just a US issue. The dangerous powers in Russia, China and North Korea will want to test Trumps boundaries. Here in Europe we are terrified. The Russia parliament cheered at the news this morning as they know that Europe doesnt have US military support anymore (Trump has stated this), so there is no reason why they cannot invade the Baltic states and continue further into Europe. They is no one to stop them. Britain has isolated itself from any potential European allies too. China will act on their hatred of Japan. And North Korea… Two Nuclear countries with maniacs at the helm.
This backlash against progress is deplorable. There must be resistance. There must be some hope.
Trump wants us to pay for American Military.
He thinks NATO works like a mafia protection racket, it’s scary.
I think from over here (oz) the person i feel sorriest for is Obama. This American Life commissioned a song recorded by one of the stars of Hamilton where the lyrics pondered on what Obama’s feelings might be at this time. It was the most moving piece of art and had me crying in my car. He was someone to be proud of and admire, even when you are from another country like me. And now what? His Presidency meant nothing and all his work will be undone. I think Hilary lost because she is a woman, pure and simple.
Yup, I hate to agree with that statement, sensible, but I think you’re right. She lost because she’s a woman. & that frigging hurts.
I’m genuinely stunned by the realisation that to be a capable, informed, articulate, feisty woman is a *BAD* thing.
We have had one female PM, Julia Gillard who was the most successful legislator Australia has ever had. Without getting into the boring guts of it she was subjected to hideous amounts of hate and misogyny during her term. The old white dudes that run our country saw to it that she did’nt last long.
I agree – misogyny!
I think misogyny and sexism had a LOT to do with it, but I think it was the perfect storm of angry white men firing back, Millenials (the largest generation) NOT coming out to vote, minorities not voting as much as we’d hoped, an f-you to the establishment, politicians and a dash of Obamacare reaction.
She lost because of racism, too. Let’s not kid ourselves – nothing was more embarrassing to me today than seeing white women were the other majority for Donald Trump.
One of the many puzzling questions is, how did she lose places like Arkansas? Someone asked Carville about the Bubba factor, which is a valid question. Why didn’t Bill pull some of the rural voters?
This is truly Gore 2.0.
She was hated in Arkansas as their First Lady for being an uppity woman.
Exactly. Plus she is a very unlikeable woman and with a not so clean past.
I lived in the States during Bill’s terms as president – a lot of people have never forgiven her for her “I’m not a little woman standing by her man like Tammy Wynette” statement.
She not unlikable and her past has been smeared by the GOP and their propaganda arms for 30 years. She is factually deemed the most honest politician in comparison to others. She has a solid record of achievement. She gets along with others. Give it up, already.
As the american election is an internationl matter we are all involved by this choice.
I apologize if my opinion sounds unpopular but as a non US citizen a thing rthings from a different, bigger scale.
Hillary was the worst candidate to represent the democrats and if I was american I probably wouldn’t have voted for neither of Hillary or Trump.
She is a very unlikeable woman, most likely corrupt, supported by the lobbists, a fake feminist and a war lover. She belongs to prison.
Trump is no better: i do no not like him, his ideas, his family.
Today misoginy, racism, sexism and homophobia have won.
I find alarming that we always are forced to choose between the two least bad people available.
Sanders would have been able to get the working class on his side, his clean past and charming personality would have made such a difference.. but I guess he didn’t receive 57Mil from Wall st lobbists like Hillary did or the money, control and influence that Trump has.
So many things to worry about from now on.. climate change is the most important one but then also international relationships, women and gay rights.. such a mess.
Today is not a happy day but it wouldn’t have been better with Hillary either.
She was too busy surrounding herself by celebrities and badmouth Trmpu during her whoile campaing instead of bringing important discussions to the table.
Working class has decided once again who to give the power to and they made very clear that they don’t care about who celebrities vote for.
This.
+1
This +1000.
Having lived in Ohio and Michigan in the past, I can tell you that people involved in unions and manufacturing generally vote a straight democratic ticket. However; the “you will loose your – fill in the blank – job, insurance, freedom” – if you don’t vote democrat is getting old. And by the way, George Soros is 100% funding the Democratic Party. It was known along time ago. He has only one wish and that is to destroy America.
Trump may not be the best choice but I don’t see what “social progress” has occurred in the last eight years especially in the rural south where I live now.
European here, I agree. She was the candidate of the system. She could Never win. I’m still shocked and very sad. What Will happen to us now?
Well, maybe another country could pick up the slack.
I am a non-US citizen too and I couldn’t disagree more. But then I am an Asian, Muslim woman and I very obviously look like one. I am an educated, career woman and my work has taken me to the US this year. Maybe that’s why it has been easier for me to look past the Republicans’ talking points and pivoting.
I am pro-Hillary, having thought of the very real consequences on very real people resulting from not only Trump’s win, but also the Republican controlling the House AND Senate. As unemotional as I tend to be, my heart ached every time I read of my fellow Muslims being victims of Islamophobic crimes – scratch that – my fellow human beings being victims of hate crimes in the US. Now we have just seen a collective of people representing those hate-filled ideals installed into positions of power.
How is Hillary unlikable? How is that pertinent to the presidency, especially when compared to a man so dishonest that he thought nothing of saying things like “I am the least racist/ sexist person that you’ll ever meet” despite glaring evidences to the contrary.
She is likely corrupt? Likely? I said this to a (possibly former) friend who tried to get me to agree with Wikileaks’ anti-Hillary narrative – I suppose, again, as a Muslim I find it easier to empathize when a person is held guilty until he/ she is proven innocent. Too many in this world holds us Muslims guilty of being a terrorist or a sympathizer just because; and it is up to us to prove them wrong according to some vague impossible standards (basically – don’t be a Muslim!). Show us the evidence and judgment through due process of law. Also? David Fahrenthold did amazing work investigating the Trump Foundation. Talk about corruption!
She’s supported by lobbyists – I have to be honest I have not looked deeper into this issue. What I do know is that there are lobbyists on both sides, and only one side is unabashedly in bed with the bloody NRA.
A fake feminist? How so? What else could she have done to prove herself as an authentic feminist? Couldn’t you imagine the number of girls and young woman in the US and around the world who would have been so inspired by her win? 30 years as public servant, advocating for children and women, and she still had to prove herself many times over just because she is a woman running against a poor excuse of a man. I think that’s the part that angered me the most in this election.
I am a pacifist so circumstances have to be absolutely dire for me to agree to a war. That said, it’s why I can never be a politician. It is unfortunately a game at times. Sometimes you have to prioritize and compromise when you prefer not to. Sometimes you have to pick your wins and hope to fight another day.
Anyway. We can agree to disagree but there’s one statement you made that I just have to point out as so wrong it isn’t even funny: “She was too busy surrounding herself by celebrities and badmouth Trump during her whole campaign instead of bringing important discussions to the table.” Trump badmouthed himself over and over again. All her campaign did was superimposing his careless words over visuals of the real consequences on real people those words caused. SHE was talking about facts and policies at the table – THAT is her thing! Trump loves celebrities, he would have surrounded himself with them if he could. Unfortunately, he could barely pay his workers, let alone available-for-hire ‘celebrities’. Conversely, the celebrities flocked to Hillary because of shared ideals. If the celebrities get the attention of their fan base, why the heck not?
Information is out there, and people with no substance try to drown the facts with noises that would distract you. I know this because it’s the same in my country too. In these situations, I believe that it is up to us to put in the effort, educate ourselves and segregate the facts from fiction. So if you really believe what you said to be true… it explains how the US has just elected a terribly unqualified misogynistic racist as president of their country.
Also – here’s an assurance that everyone can share about the danger of ‘Shariah’ law taking over the US or Australia. Dudes, some politicians in my predominantly Muslim country have been pushing for Shariah law to be the main legal system here to no avail (currently Islamic law only applies to Muslims on matters relating to religious observances & family law). It ain’t happening here, so it ain’t happening where you are. Why give yourselves a heart attack over this?? You have enough risk factors – seriously, cut down your portion. During my last trip to the US in August, a pad thai I ordered for dinner one night was finished over 3 days!
I agree with you 100%.
+1 Clinton had been investigated whenever the Republicans could think of something to investigate her on. Nothing stuck.
If the Republicans had been hacked the way the democrats were we would have seen all the dirt that goes on over there. In the end I thought the Wikileaks stuff was kind of tame, if that’s the worst you can drag up there can’t be much going on, but the constant story dragged her down. Well, that and racism and misogyny because come on, pussygrabbing and dancing to Putin’s song should have been enough to sink any candidate.
thank you so much for your comment. I realize that people are frustrated and need a scapegoat, but Hilary shouldn’t be held responsible for the fact that America voted for the orange piece of shit.
Right on!
@Tanquerita
Yes, like Adam did to Eve, always blame the woman.
Thank you for posting.
Sorry but in prison for what? They have spent 20 years and countless tens of millions of dollars investigating her and have not found a single thing worthy of indictment.
Also not American and I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
I disagree about Hillary being unlikeable, I think that has more to do with misogyny than anything else.
Trump is no better? He’s many times worse.
As for Sanders; this was discussed up thread – would white, right leaning men vote for a socialist Jewish candidate? Unlikely.
Absolutely! I never really knew what her policies were beyond ‘I’m not Trump”. I would have loved to hear less about his ridiculous antics and more abut solid policy stances on important issues.
@Elaine
Well, then that was the lazy ,irresponsible way out and you don’t get a pass. She spoke about her policies every time she could and if you actually had gone to her website, there were pages of policy. But no, it’s easier to make up stuff about her.
I’m Canadian and I know what her policies are. As an American you should know more than I.
@Hmmm. I am glad I can be the outlet for your anger, confusion and fear. Let’s not let it divide us. You are not alone.
I agree with @Hmmm. I’ve been observing all the way from South East Asia and I knew what Hillary’s policies were. I said upthread – facts get lost in the noise, especially with the way the main media outlets had been concentrating on noise for so long. The TV stations in my country are basically controlled by the ruling party so we’re so used to having to dig through the BS to get to the truth. Can’t expected to be spoon-fed all the time. It’s perplexing how accountability seems to be a near-extinct virtue these days. A huge part of the problem, methinks.
Hillary was already called ‘shrill’ before, I can’t imagine what names would have been thrown at her had she attempted to go louder than her opponent. I think she, like me, had a baseline assumption that reasonable people who really care about facts would invest some effort to find out what those are.
+1 Paolanqar
After I cried for the first time about an election, I revert back to shock. What is so deeply flawed, so backward…what vile, repulsive hatred (no longer) silently lurkes within the people of this nation? What country do these now-represented masses expect this Nation to get “back” to? Take our country back? Make it great again? I am frightened for the Americans that don’t apply to those statements: who had to dance backward in heels or straighten their hair, quietly accept subservience, hide their flamboyantness, or otherwise find ways to make white men comfortable. I am afraid of who now feels empowered to believe in such bigotry, and that they likely live next door. The deplorables just had their coming out day.
This election made me realized that there are a lot of people who will simply vote for a candidate that speaks their mind, no matter how crazy his policies are. Stupidity at its finest.
I know I have talked about this a million times, but this is not the end. The end is when we do nothing. I tried to think of this as another hurdle in our fight, so don’t lose your hope.
As for Clinton, I hope she continued to fight for our rights, even when she is not active in politics anymore. I even think this election will make more people change their mind about her, once they see how unpredictable Trump is.
Give you all the love and free hugs from Vietnam 🙂 Don’t feel ashamed of your country, we don’t blame you. You have done your parts and tried your hardest. Sometimes you can’t have everything you want.
Thank you for your kind words, Nina. Sending big hugs back from the US!
Feel like this is a bad dream except that i am not waking up. Crazy thing is that I actually premonitory dream where trump was winning the election few months ago. I can believe that It actually did Happened. Im in shock , I don’t know what else to say.
I am 56 and hoped I would read the news that we had a woman president today. I think it is unfair she was referred to as just a footnote…typical attitude that her loss is a colossal failure…etc., etc. but I am afraid that after 8 years of a Democrat…and all those so-called disenfranchised men..they just went out and voted Republican, male, white, and straight.
It feels like a colossal waste of money..and the election feels like a slap in the face but to be true and honest – I am tired of the conversation we have had a thousand times over about the why and when and who. It feels like we are powerless today…but lets hope we can overcome and outsmart the horrific and mind-numbing attitudes of the Trump supporters and “Make America Think Again”….he won’t seek a second term..I predict it now!
Now Hillary will face the real possibility of incarceration by King Donald Trump I. He will send her to the tower and then death by decapitation.
Thankfully the US is still a democracy with an effective legal system (last I heard).
As Lightpurple says she’s been investigated a number of times and nothing has stuck.
Rudy Guiliani’s name is being floated as a potential Attorney General. He already said that he believed she should be prosecuted. There is no one to stop him from doing it.
I hope the Clintons are calling up some of their overseas friends and making plans to leave the country.
I think she fought the best campaign a soft left liberal could have fought.
I think you cannot be pro-free trade of the globalist TTP variety and win an election any more.
I think the racist, xenophobic, misogynistic far right has seen that and is offering populist nationalist solutions.
The progressive left has to come up with an economic strategy that is not of the globalist free trade variety. And only then will it be able to confront the racism, xenophobia and misogyny of the far right.
Wise words, Sixer. Hope the progressives get that platform in 2020.
I think Comey’s letter did push Trump over the top. He made it sound like there was something criminal about them. Since it was so close to the election I’m sure many undecided’s didn’t want to take the risk. It took a few days for the FBI to admit they hadn’t even read them. The damage was done. I also don’t understand the third party voters. They hate Trump more but still insisted on trying to get him elected.
The timing of Comey’s letter and the Wikileaks emails all just seemed a little too convenient. Something doesn’t add up
Someone’s (future) bank balance/career might make it clearer.
I hope karma bites both of them on the a***.
I just hope there are investigations.
She’s just not a good candidate. She’s the uninspired choice, like Dole and Gore and Kerry and Romney, with the added bonus of a ton of baggage.
2008 was meant to be a total shoe-in for her and in the end it slipped away easily. This election Sanders started out with people saying he had zero chance and would be lucky to get 5% of the primary vote, but he actually did extremely well and she really had to work for something handed to her on a plate. Then there’s Trump, who just months ago was thought to have no shot. I remember when everyone was saying his peak was 25% of the vote. He edged closer and closer, and Clinton never cut through. Her whole campaign basically came down to ‘he’s worse than me’. It was weak, and clearly not working, but apparently everyone just assumed that would be enough.
The Democratic Convention was when I knew Trump would be President. Everyone went wild over Michelle, over Barack, over Biden, over the Khan’s, over Sanders, over Tim Kaine. Even Bill was a hit, and his Presidency hasn’t aged well. So many discussions between Democrats about how they wish so and so had run. Hilary ended up a total afterthought at what should have been a crowning moment.
Trump dominated every story. The Clinton campaign let it become about voting against Trump, not voting for Clinton. She ended up just being ‘not-Trump’.
I don’t know about the DC, but I agree with your top 2 paragraphs.
I felt so let down when her campaign devolve into insulting the voting public and or saying DT was worse than her even if what she said was true. Michelle Obama’s speech about taking the high Road had fallen on deaf ears.
Clearly lessons were not learnt from the 2008 campaign.
I agree. I voted against her in the 2008 primary and again in this primary because I thought she had too much baggage and lacked the necessary spark. I was all in for her in the end, but yesterday, when it was still though she was a shoe-in, I started to feel a little regret for what might have been. Did I really want Bill Clinton back in the White House with her? Did I really want someone my parents’ age starting what I hoped would be 8 years? Did I really want someone so entrenched with the corporatist, centrist elite? I was psyched to vote for her as a woman, but I imagine if I was having some of these thoughts and would never in a million years vote for any Republican, let alone Trump, I can imagine how many swing voters could have swung at the last minute, given the Comey letter, etc. Particularly all the white voters, who while they might not embrace racism and xenophobia, could at least ignore it if they wanted too.
Agreed LAK, Wren, Kate and Elaine.
Found the secret trump voters
Seriously, what are you talking about? I was out canvassing for Clinton in NH this past weekend, pounding the pavement for hours. Because Trump is horrifying and Clinton is competent and I agree with her on 80% of the issues.
I voted for Clinton and spent almost 500 hours volunteering for her campaign and various voter outreach programs this election. Screw you.
Actually not so secret Zeddy. After this election, Trump voters are just called ‘The American public’. Because they are the majority.
I may not support their politics, but I am tired of half of the country denigrating the other half. We have serious problems in our country, and dismissing the fears of half the populace will get us nowhere.
And what fear might that be, @ Elaine? The bigoted fear of the white privileged, especially white males, or the fear of the people NOW quaking in their boots? Is half the population supposed to be terrified for their lives after an election?
And no, the Trump voters cannot be called, according to your terms, the “American public”. Clinton got the majority popular vote.
It always goes so well when you insult your potential voters.
It’s facile to claim that Clinton lost because of racism or sexism and ignore the fact that she wasn’t the best candidate nor best woman. In a world that threw up Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren and on the strength of her ‘higher road’ speech, Michelle Obama, it’s easy to see why she lost beyond those things. That doesn’t make me a Trump supporter. Simultaneously, i’m not going to name call or Trump supporters because they exercised their demoncratic right to vote for their candidate just as everyone who voted.
Going back to Clinton, when Obama was first running in 2008, Clinton behaved exactly the same way and an inexperienced, black man with a muslim sounding ethnic name beat her. All the things that should have worked against him vs her 2 decades head-start on him in terms of experience, preparation, campaigning, celebrity.
If the lesson is not learnt, she is doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes should she find herself trying one last time.
In 2008 and yesterday, Clinton was the favourite and lost both times. It’s very painful 2nd time round because her opponent is the living embodiment of every basty ‘ism’ and she still couldn’t convince the public to vote for her.
Finally, abusing people who disagree with you is how shock results like Brexit or Trump come up because people hide their true opinions and thus can’t be persuaded to change ahead of historic votes.
She’s not a charismatic person, fine. Agreed. It matters a lot more than it should.
But I take serious issue with the implication that she was handed this election on a “platter” because that is infuriatingly degrading to somebody with her career. This woman has been in politics for more than thirty years. She has devoted her life to public policy. She has been a lawyer, a counselor, a senator, a Secretary of State, and finally a presidential candidate. She was targeted repeatedly for being an outspoken woman in politics in the 90s, then shat on for doing the “traditional” thing and forgiving her husband’s infidelity. Barack Obama came off two years in the Senate with a charming smile and got elected in his late thirties. This woman clawed her through two primaries just to get a shot at the presidency in her sixties. Nobody handed that to her. NOBODY. And it is beyond insulting to suggest otherwise.
Goddamn. I’m not even a registered Democrat who voted in the primary, but that statement made me so much angrier than I expected.
Totally agree with you @Veronica and I have some serious disagreements with what you said @LAK. What makes you think she didn’t learn anything from 2008? Were you on her campaign team, you don’t know how many hours they would have gone through missteps in the past in order to not repeat them in such a historic election. Everyone was saying the election was Hillary’s to lose because Trump was that horrible. (Of course to decent, sane , reasonable people). And your assertion that she failed to convince people to vote for her is also incorrect considering she won the popular vote. Meaning more people put votes with Hillary/Kane as the choice versus Trump/Pence. What did her in is the ridiculous electoral college process ( which has roots in benefiting white slave owners in the past), organised minority voter suppression by Republicans since 2013 and men who call feminists “feminazis”. Of course also the portion of college educated white women who have internalised sexism and misogyny, the kind of women you say call successfull women “over ambitious” because God knows men are scared of powerful women. I’m not American and know that Hillary was a war-monger with strong ties to corporate America but to belittle her astonishing feat of reaching across demographics to claim the popular vote and lose to a candidate like Trump is truly disrespectful and belittling to her 30 years of political career, her incredibly run campaign and thousands of volunteers who worked for her not to mention the millions who voted for her.
Sana: i’ve made it very clear that she has/had the experience over these 2 people. How is that denigrating her? You know who had experience like hers and kept losing to people with little or no experience? Bob Dole. Is it an insult to say that about him? He was unable to convince the public to vote for him despite being prepared and supported by the system to win.
Blaming the system for her failure is a weak argument considering she knows more about the system based upon being in said system for decades longer than the two guys she lost to.
And you think electing a black man in a country only 3 decades away from the civil rights movement was easy? Moreover a black man with a muslim sound ethnic name in a country that had declared war on muslims or anyone who didn’t sound apple pie?? A man who Jesse Jackson, self appointed leader of Black America, said wasn’t ‘black enough’ and Al Sharpton said was ‘the wrong sort of Black’ in the early campaigns until his momemtum forced them to change their tune?!?!
Considering her tactics devolved to her 2008 tactics, i can say with confidence that lessons were not learnt. The proof is in the pudding.
She would have won if she was a man 🙁 that’s enough in itself to make us all cry.
Succinct and perfect.
Unlikely
I will turn away any media that now tries to cover him in a positive normal way.
I’m. I’m not sure Bernie would have done better. He certainly didn’t speak to white uneducated men and would have been extremely alienating to the right. Hillary is fairly conservative whcih got her some support with republican politicians. Bernie wouldn’t have gotten those endorsements and possibly pushed moderate people farther right. He has is a 40 year politician and as much as young people think he is not “establishment” – well 40 years doesn’t make you and outsider –
I agree. I think the people who believe Bernie would’ve won are a bit naive. Trump is an excellent demagogue. Yes Hillary has a ton of baggage but she wasn’t the only person Trump successfully labelled (Crooked Hillary) and destroyed. Bernie is a Jewish, “Yankee” socialist that isn’t particularly comfortable talking about faith. I can just imagine how Trump would destroy him. Also do not underestimate how much Pence helped bring GOP rank and file back in line.
Also I think Bernie’s idea of replicating socialist models like Scandinavia was a bit too much for a capitalist country like USA. But may be I could be wrong as well.
I have never felt more than a second rate citizen in the world because of my gender than I do today – and I sit here far away from the US as a white person. I cannot even imagine what it feels like in the US as a woman, as a non-white person, as a Muslim. The number of people who don’t care about sexism and racism is just horrific. More horrific than Trump actually 🙁
I’ve never liked Hillary. But I have the utmost respect for the passion of her supporters. Those waiting in NYC last night deserved to hear her thank them for their hard work and support on her behalf. It was crass and graceless to not do so.
Yep!!
I was really surprised she didn’t come out. Pretty early in the night it was clear she’d need a miracle and she’d very obviously lost within minutes of her camp saying they wouldn’t be speaking til morning. People would have stayed til 1-2am to see her.
I guess she doesn’t really care since she’s pretty much done in politics, but the way that ‘victory party’ turned out was embarrassing. A silent, shell-shocked room and a sudden rush for the doors as everyone realises it’s all over and she’s not gonna show. Showing up for just a few minutes to concede and thank her supporters would have been the right thing to do.
I believe she is doing that today.
It was
A. repudiation of Barack Obama and his eight years in office
B. The clinton name
But most importantly
C. The speeches
Keep in mind more women voted than men. This is our fault.
“Keep in mind more women voted than men. This is our fault.”
Oh please stop saying that. The difference between male and female voters wasn’t that big to put the blame on one gender over the other. This wasn’t women’s, or men’s, or white’s fault. It’s your failed education system that lets people be ignorant, stay ignorant, and be proud of their ignorance.
White women voted for a man who openly stated he would grab them by the pussy. Yes many white women need to own this.
Repudiation of Obama? He currently has record approval ratings.
I think he/she meant that he was black. Not his performance per se.
It’s not just this horrific win by Trump. It’s a Republican Senate and House. It’s a stacked Supreme Court. A Republican sweep of all three branches of government.
This cannot be in America’s best interest. An administration with Giuliani, Gingrich and Christie in charge?
If you’re a woman, you have a target on your back. If you’re gay, you have a target on your back. If you’re a non-Christian or are disabled or not a Republican or are a person of color, you have a target on your back.
Prepare for dark days.
I know. I am terrified of the Supreme Court. Of 4-8 years of regression on trying to tackle climate change. I am hoping certain questions like gay marriage are settled, but I may be too optimistic.
What will happen with Gay marriage, Obamacare come January, Judicial Reform, Due process for Black and brown men and women?… Who else can Buy a seat at the government?? I am terrified
The FBI’s recent “allegations”& the fact that she is a woman are just really what did it…Urgh Hugs to All those who voted Hillary
Well this was the first time you Americans had a female candidate for a major party right? So it is still progress. When here in Finland the first female candidate she lost. In the next election another female won. And as a considence we got first female Prime Minister too right after (which is more powerful position now but is not voted by the public. And she was not in office for long but that was entirely her own fault). My point is that this can mean better things in the future and just that things do not happen right away if you are feeling really debressed about it.
Sorry America
I don’t think she lost because mysogyny. France is a mysoginistic place too, still, Just wait for marine le pen to win by KO in may. People are full of hatred and vote by hate. I’m fkn depressed today but something has to be done besides crying.
A tiny ray of light in the darkness that’s 2016:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/nov/09/cheer-corner-how-to-cope-with-the-new-world-order-with-kittens
Even the kitten in the first pic looks sad.
Donald Trump isn’t good at speeches either. Compared to him, Hillary is like Shakespeare.
Apart from his misogyny, racism, sexual abuse etc etc, this is something I find completely mind-blowing, perplexed. He has the vocabulary of a four year old. Listening to him talk is not only terrifying, it’s incredibly dull.
Christ, America, how did this happen? Today is a horrible repeat of day one post-Brexit 🙁
It’s because she’s a woman. And we’re living is a misogynistic world. Everyone I knew who talked of voting for her kept justifying it as “I don’t like her…but she’s the lesser of two evils.” And that’s utter bullshit. America is just telling the rest of the world that is doesn’t matter if you’re hardworking and the most over-qualified person to run for Presidency ever, if you’ve got a vagina, you’re bound to lose. Even if it’s to a baby-fisted, hate machine.
I wanted to add that I appreciate the support and kind words from all our international “Celebitchies”. I’m traveling for a couple of weeks to Berlin, Vienna and Budapest over Thanksgiving and I had hoped I would be visiting with a lighter heart. While I’m looking forward to my trip, I am so sad that I am now an American under Trump rule. Damn.
This reminds me of a line from the movie American President, with Douglas says ‘there are two ways to win elections: make people afraid of it and tell them who is to blame for it’. The nazi’s did in in the 30’s, using agression/fear/hatred of an ethnic group to get elected. Trumps repeating it now but this time against immigrants and anyone non-american.
Both leaders were on the fringe. Both knew how to talk to a crowd, tell them what they want to hear without telling them of anything of substance. Both have that agressive tone. Both blame American problems on a group of people that cannot defend themselves. Clinton was no prize either, but this result is just embarrassing.
Do they speak this negatively about men who didnt win????? This si clearly so harsh because its a woman and they are just wetting their pants with joy to see she has lost, DESPITE WHO she has lost TO.
From m foreign perspective, I think she was doomed from the very beginning.
Been a lurker for months and this is my comment on this site. I am an Asian who have lived in the States in the past and worked for US companies for my many years. I know my opinion would not be a popular one here, but I still would like to voice it because a different perspective does not hurt, at the end of day, at least I hope so. To be bluntly honest, many read the situation or voters mind by over-simplification. Everyone has many hats on, gender, income, education, race, class, etc. There are people voted for Trump because of hatred or bias, but there are many, many more people voted for him just because it seems serve their own interests best, being it tax, Children’s education, healthcare cost, etc etc. While I know very little about rural uneducated white male, but I could understand their reasoning. Many of them have been struggled with job/income, while there might be little proof that Trump could change that, it must look less likely, in their eyes, that HRC would improve their lives. So why wouldn’t they go blue? At the end of the day, everyone’s vote is aligned with their own needs, it could be economical, social, psychological. The constructive thing would be at least try to be objective and see everyone from their angle. The division of US or any other country is actually larger and deeper than it appeared, at least try to understand otherwise how could anyone amend?
I agree with some comments above, it is a progress to have a female candidate. Baby steps, but one day a female president will happen for US, and hopefully more countries.
+1000 Silent Thinking
I agree with your points about people voting for what they believe are their best interests, but I think they are fooled as to what those best interests are. Take trickle down economics. People think that if they give corporations tax breaks, the corporations will hire more people. But they don’t. Why would they? They would lose what could be additional profit. Or Obamacare. People need health insurance. And it’s not cheap. But totally destroying the ACA won’t improve their outcome. Or denying climate change. Those coal jobs, fracking etc are destroying people’s health as well as causing more dameage to environment. The people who work for those industries should be voting for that person who wants to bring green power on board and educate those workers so they can make the transition in the new market. But they don’t. They buy the same old song and dance.
This.
@Silent Thinking, thank you!
“White voters finally found someone who spoke their language”
Oh, God, I’m white and I don’t speak Trump, and neither do my friends, most of whom are also white (but some are Black, Latino, gay, Muslim, etc.) 🙁
I just want to say that this usually means whites as a collective or the system of whiteness that has been used against oppressed groups. I have noticed that whites have a luxury of resorting to individualism in ways that other groups do not. I know as a black woman I have always known that I am not looked at as an individual under this system and I also know that everything I do is a reflection on my race and that I will be accountable for it.
I notice that many whites have trouble speaking for all white people or the collective white consciousness and the attitudes it perpetuates, but it really is something that needs to be done, especially if the dominant group is truly as serious about bridging to minority groups as claimed. It’s just like men need to speak for all patriarchy and stop distancing themselves by reverting to individualism as soon as someone calls out the reality of patriarchal behaviour and its harmfulness and how all men on some level uphold the system of it as well.
Whites really have a long, long way to go in understanding their white privilege because many of us simply don’t have to see it. However, on a personal level, do you think yourself able to speak for all black people or have any influence over what black people in different cities and economic groups do? I know it is demanded of minorities and it is unfair and part of how racism works. Like, how is a black person in the suburbs of Atlanta going to have any sort of collective responsibility for what is happening in Chicago? I know as a woman it is tempting to flip the script and make men do it, and I can better see how all men are influenced by the patriarchy. But, in practice, how can I speak for or influence someone who doesn’t know me, doesn’t want to know me, never will meet me, and in many cases, hates me?
I told my husband, somewhere, Al Gore is pouring Hillary a big glass of scotch and saying “that damn Bill, huh?”. And Bill calls from the kitchen, “sorry, guys!”. And then they tell him “we need more ice!”
Oh you have Made My Day!!! I can see this totally happening! Don’t forget the ice bag on Hilary’s head 😅😅
In the end the people voted anti establishment and anti incumbency. HRC was just not able to portrait a picture of someone strong, capable and competent enough to override that tide. That various media outlets overwhelmingly supported clinton, celebs, intellectuals came out in droves to support HRC, mocked, categorised and sidelined every single opinion against HRC, without listening to it made the difference.
No one likes to be told their opinion does not matter.
This might teach the dema not to elect a candidate simply based on power and connections but to elect based on acceptance and actual performance at that stage.
What’s done is done. All those inflammatory speeches of Trump, I doubt it would reflect in actual policies and management since governance is much more complex than that. But he wanted to court the votes and he got them.
I’ve been thinking today – how long will it take for him to lose interest in this job? a week? two weeks? a year? because, obviously, there will be no more crowds to cater to, no immediate satisfaction – just lots and lots of work he is not cut out for.
Bingo.
He’ll do what George W did. Delegate and go golfing.
Pence is about to be elevated to Dick Cheney levels of responsibility whilst the principal goes out to play.
92% of incumbents were re-elected yesterday. This has nothing to do with establishment and incumbency and everything to do with class, race, sexism.
I think its more simple than that. Hillary and the Democrats underestimated the American public. They told them ” We are better than this.” Apparently not.
Please do not blame true Christians. I am one and my daughter and I both voted for Hillary. There is a huge divide between calling yourself a Christian and actually being one. The Republicans do Not follow His teachings and never have. Call me a nut, but I believe Trump is quite possibly the Antichrist, and my family and I. Are beginning preparations for very bad times now.
Well Done Hillary.
You fought a good fight but it wasn’t to be. You did your best and that’s all anyone can ask of any of us. Hopefully you will find some joy in your retirement. Good Luck!
Hillary’s concession speech is at 10:30.
I will never get over this loss and who got in the White House.
This is entirely Democratic Party’s fault. If they had chosen another candidate – anyone else but HRC – Trump wouldn’t stand a chance.
The base that came out for him , especially out of rural areas, in unprecedented numbers disagrees. They loved him and his rhetoric and promises and were giving a big FU to their own party.
I think a footnote in history may be harsh. I think she was more qualified and a better fit but the people have spoken. I will say I am quite disappointed and disheartened that she did not give her speech last night. Her supporters were there every step of the way and to not even show her face and thank the public, her team and congratulate the winner deflated me. I expected better. I understand she is heartbroken but it is during the bleakest of times when a leader shows what they are made of. Sorry Hilary, you should have shown them all the true grit you are made of and left everyone thinking: damn, we f$&@ed up in this election.
Her speech after losing to Obama was the epitome of grace. I will not judge Hillary. She is a tough woman and was expected to win. This was a huge upset. Just maybe she has her reasons for being unable to give the kind of speech she wanted to last night/early morning. I don’t think they saw this coming. I refuse to judge her on waiting until this morning. I get your point, but in my fragile emotional state right now, I can’t fault her. I’m too devastated myself and my heart is with her right now.
I agree the Politico comment was harsh, and I completely disagree with it. Hillary Clinton will not be just “a footnote in history.” What a condescending remark by Politico.
For someone who once had 98% chance of winning as per the polls ( post 3rd debate I guess), the result yesterday would have felt like such a slap in the face. And knowing that Hillary is a Scorpio, we are women of immense pride and self respect. I’m sure she would have been very, very disappointed may be even emotional and hysterical and wouldn’t have wanted to show that to the public. Scorpio women consider showing tears as a sign of vulnerability / weakness. (I’m projecting here a bit but whatever.) I completed understood why she didn’t come out and send Podesta instead. Even he had trouble getting words out.
G-d forbid that she should have a moment.
She’s about to come out for her concession speech. I’m crying listening to Tim Kaine.
“…they kilt us but they ain’t whupped us yit,…”
“ You can’t beat women anyhow and that if you are wise or dislike trouble and uproar you don’t even try to.”
-William Faulkner
I sobbed during her whole speech.
I am never going to listen to it.
I also would love to never see another photo of you know who. I wish instead, that I’d only have to look at satirical cartoons of him because they are more truthful than any photo.
I no longer watch the news. And I certainly won’t be watching his inauguration. I can’t bear to look at that orange, smarmy mug for one more minute. I wonder how many women he or his errand boys will sexually assault when he’s Pres.
I am tired of the Bernie smugness on my Facebook. Bernie Sanders raised more and spent more on the primary than Clinton did. His media reception was BY FAR the most positive of any candidate. If he really had what it took to win this election, why the hell didn’t he win the nomination in the first place? It’s easy to convince ourselves he would have won when we only have the dream and not the reality.
I’d like to see Elizabeth Warren run in 2020
I have a strong hunch Ivanka might run in 2020. Wishful thinking.
She stood for things I couldn’t in good conscience agree with. And, she was allegedly responsible for horrible things that I couldn’t ignore. I would have loved to have been able to vote for a woman for president, but she had too many issues going on. Also, whether they were true or not, there were many reports and videos of an unwell Hillary. She didn’t look healthy in some of those pictures / videos. Too much baggage for her to overcome. There will be a woman president one day. I believe that without any doubt.
A footnote? A freaking FOOTNOTE?
Nice. Way to utterly dismiss the decades of work she has done, and her significant accomplishments. Had the *issue* of her gender and husband not been there, she would have been a shoo-in. Had voters actually turned out, rather than assuming it was in the bag, she would have romped it in. Had people not been scared of rational leadership in case it led to short term economic hardship. Had people not given themselves over to a orange showman, given to telling people what they want, and acting as he pleases. Had people thought beyond colour, race, the encroachment of the “other” onto *their* turf.
But either way, HRC is more than a footnote and deserves so much more respect. Whatever caused this debacle of a result, we can at the very least accord her that.