DM: Prince Harry & Meghan Markle might already be ‘secretly engaged’


If you were looking for a first-hand account, or “proof,” of Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s coupled-up, loved-up status, we finally have it. Meghan apparently flew to London on Sunday just because she missed Harry so much. The trip wasn’t super-planned beforehand, and they’re still planning on going away together, probably right after Christmas. But yesterday, everybody got the news that Meghan and Harry went Christmas-tree-shopping together. And here’s what went down when they were shopping:

Prince Harry and his girlfriend Meghan Markle were getting into the Christmas spirit and were given a special festive gift. The Royal was joined by his girlfriend to pick out a Christmas tree and were given some mistletoe to share a kiss under as a small token.

“They chose their tree fairly quickly and Zaqia then brought it around to me and they stood there in the queue waiting for it to be packed,” said Ollie Wilkinson, 22. “They then went to pay and Harry also donated some money to charity.”

As a gesture to remember their trip to the Battetsea Park shop, Ollie handed some mistletoe to Meghan, but explained he was a bit wary of holding it over their head. He added: “I then handed them a bunch of mistletoe and Megan said she really loved it. Harry walked off with the tree on his left shoulder and was holding Megan’s hand with his right, while she was holding the mistletoe.”

Meanwhile, fellow employee Zaqia Crawford gave the couple a truly authentic experience, admitting she didn’t even know who they were until colleagues told her after they’d left. Describing her dealings with the couple, Zaqia, 30, said: “I went over to serve them, but I didn’t know who they were until they left. My colleagues asked me, ‘do you know who that was?’ and they said, ‘that’s the Prince’ and I said, ‘What the Prince of this country?’ She’s obviously American and so am I, so we bonded over the accents. She said ‘where are you from?’ and I told her New York. They weren’t overly affectionate with one another, but they were obviously really comfortable together. They just walked off holding hands and for into their car.”

[From The Daily Mirror]

I still have questions about how Meghan and Harry are able to go out together in Toronto and London and there are still no candid paparazzi photos of them. The longer this goes on, the higher the price for the first photo. As for the mistletoe… okay. Nice. I’m more interested in the fact that Harry only needed one hand to carry the tree and he had one hand free to hold Meghan’s hand. He’s strong!

Meanwhile, there’s more gossip about whether Harry and Meghan are already engaged. Tom Sykes at the Daily Beast already theorized that Harry’s bungled PR is evidence of a possible engagement, and now the Daily Mail’s Ephraim Hardcastle suggests that there’s something to that theory.

Have Prince Harry, 32, and his girlfriend Meghan Markle, 35, got engaged secretly? Reporters who cover his public engagements are told no questions about Ms Markle will be answered, although he and the American actress have been an item since August. A secret engagement would give them a breather prior to the media storm a marriage announcement would entail.

Prince William got engaged secretly to Kate Middleton while they were on a safari holiday in Kenya in 2010. Only Margret Lekartgi, a 22-year-old Masai maid, was in on their secret.

[From The Daily Mail]

Could be. Here’s one thing that just occurred to me: William absolutely loathed the speculation about when or if he would propose, and part of me still believes that he waited so long to propose to Kate as a way of trying to screw over the press. Would Harry react the same way to an incessant conversation about proposing? And if he doesn’t propose in the next month, will Meghan be seen as a Waity 2.0?


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  1. ViXi says:

    Congratulations! I give it two years of marriage then divorce announcement soon after.

    • notasugarhere says:

      “I give the marriage seven years” – Rt Rev Pete Broadbent at the time of ‘W&Ks wedding. (Thanks for the reminder, Sixer). He was forced to apologize to keep his job, but we’ll see if he called it.

    • Eldy says:

      I do think this time it’s serious for Harry and that they will end up married rather sooner than later. Especially if they want children because Meghan turns 36 next year.
      But I also think they won’t stay together ’till death do us part’ and the marriagewill turn into another Windsor divorce.

      • fiona says:

        Oh my god, enough with the baby clocks with women. OH NO SHE’S TURNING 36? There are numerous options for rich people. Not everything is about children as well. I’m so sick of people saying they better rush it because of a womans age. Men have biological clocks as well. Me and a few of my friends are IVF babies from the 90s. All because our fathers were basically infertile in their late 30s and the mothers were fine. So sexist and you need to stop.

    • mary mary says:


  2. ell says:

    i will never understand why americans care so much about british royals. personally they just annoy me, since i have to fund them with my taxes. i wish they’d piss off to the US given they love them so much.

    • minx says:

      I’m American and I think they are ridiculous freeloaders. But that’s just me.

      • LucyHoneychurch says:

        +1 to being freeloaders

        Although I mind Meghan Markle and Prince Harry way less than Kate Middleton and Prince William. My dream is that when they marry, they’ll get right to work and do a ton of charity events from the jump. MM is obviously more comfortable with attention and publicity than KM and won’t have to be “eased” into the role for period spanning years, therefore throwing KM and PW’s “workshy” ways into stark relief in a way no one can ignore.

      • Lyssa says:

        No, it’s not just you. I’m American and they piss me off too. I really can’t stand the Cambridges because they get forced down our throats the hardest. I actually don’t know many people who remotely care about them. If they do know who they are then they HATE them.

      • Ash says:

        I’m American, and think they’re freeloaders too.

      • nikko says:

        Meghan is very pretty, Hey,I’m American and I like the royals, especially Harry. Go for it Harry!!!!

      • seesittellsit says:

        @Minx – Me, too – but I’m a sucker for a royal wedding and will gladly watch Brits support them in the style to which they have allowed the royals to become accustomed – smugly, and from afar.

    • Luca76 says:

      Yeah I’d be totally pissed if I was British and I think you guys should kick them to the curb. But I’m not British so it’s just gossip fodder.

      • Susannah says:

        This is how I feel too. I’m not British so it’s not part of my government and I don’t have to pay for their lifestyle. It’s like real life Downton Abbey for me, something fun to watch and enjoy and gossip about, plus tiaras!

    • OTHER RENEE says:

      I’ve heard so many conflicting stories about how much the royals really cost each British taxpayer per year. I’d like to know the truth about that figure.

      • LAK says:

        Think of it this way. The royals are funded by various government depts, but only one dept’s figure, the Sovereign grant, is made public.

        Further,that dept’s figure is divided by every person in the UK, irrespective of whether they are taxpayers/ non-taxpayers, able to work/ unable to work, children, teens or newborns, ill-health or healthy, full faculties or not etc, to spit out the pennies per person figure sold as the only amount they cost.

        Since the figure spat out is in pennies, the royals look cheap value for money nevermind the obvious error in that one equation AND the fact that this is only one dept publishing it’s figures. have tried to estimate the true cost from publicly available sources, but their figure is also incomplete because of refusal by govt to release all figures on the grounds of national security and or Royal exemption from FOI requests. Their estimate of £334M per year is more than 8 times the published annual Sovereign Grant of £40M.

    • Sixer says:

      I always think it must be a bit like going to the zoo for Americans. “Oh! Look at the strange creature!” I kinda feel a bit like that about those strange Duggar people and their ilk – we don’t have anyone like them here so they have a peculiar fascination for me as a Britisher. For both sides, it’s like looking at totally outlandish people and wondering why on earth a nation of mostly sensible citizens would put up with their existence/prominence.

      • Hashtagwhat says:

        Sixer, I love this comment so much.

        Also, not a huge Meghan fan for now, but damn she looks gorgeous in that top photo.

      • Bonzo says:

        We non-Monarchists have difficulty understanding the POINT of a non-ruling Royal Family. They do seem to be a costly form of window dressing and entertainment for a nation.

        But, since I don’t fund their lavish lifestyles, I have the usual fascination that comes with watching dysfunctional families and indulging in the speculation about them.

        And… I dig the brooches and hats of the Royals, particularly QE2 and Maxima. The Fug ladies Royal’s Round-up is my favorite slideshow each week.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Bonzo, have you tried the Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor website?

      • ls_boston says:

        > wondering why on earth a nation of mostly sensible citizens would put up with their existence/prominence.

        Hmm, well. The Americans did elect Trump as their fearless leader so it is debatable just how sensible they (we. I am an expat Brit in Yankeeland and trying to distance self from the Trumpsters now ) are.

    • Reece says:

      As an American for me I can say it’s entertainment value, everybody loves gossip. with some living history thrown in, we are historically connected and *remembers the election* also a reminder that everybody has their own to deal with.

      ETA: Also jewelry!

      • deevia says:

        I hope they get married and the racist / elitist would go crazy when they found out she is part black AND American! But that also means Britney Spears dream will be shattered.

    • BritAfrica says:

      Oh, thank you ell….I feel exactly the same way!

    • suze says:

      Entertainment and gossip.

      It also makes a nice break from reading about Russian hackers and our Buffoon Elect.

      • SMD says:

        Yes Suze! I hope they are secretly engaged and either elope (is it possible?) OR have the coolest royal wedding ever. Anything to take my mind of the horror that is Drumpf. However, this doesn’t mean we can slow down Celebitches, keep calling, emailing, writing your representatives, have your voices heard! Clearly give him a chance is a not gonna cut it for this nasty woman.

    • AG-UK says:

      I am American and I live here and could care LESS. Nor my husband and his entire family who are British. Don’t get the fascination. I wouldn’t cross the road to get a glimpse but hey ho goody for them.

  3. Luca76 says:

    I’m hoping the paparazzi catch them in a make out session on vacation.
    I’m rooting for these two but they should wait a little while before getting engaged. It’s a huge commitment on her part.

    • It'sJustBlanche says:

      I think this is it for him. He’ll marry her. She’s beautiful and down to earth and not at all what people would have expected from him, which I think he likes. He probably would like his kids to be somewhat near his brother’s kids ages and she’s 35–they probably want to get started.

    • Melly says:

      I agree. I’m rooting for them too, but it might be a good idea to date a little longer before getting married. I think they should live together and Meghan should get a better idea of what is expected of her.
      They have been dating for 6 months, so how could you possibly call Meghan Waity 2.0?

      • burnsie says:

        I rolled my eyes at that too. Meghan is nowhere near Waity levels

      • zxc says:

        Yeah… also, I thought she was waity not really because she waited for so long but because she had nothing else to do in her life besides waiting? Meghan abviously has a life.

      • Louise177 says:

        @Melly: I was wondering the same thing. Harry and Meghan have barely been together for six months, mostly apart. How is she Waity 2.0 when Kate waited almost 10 years? I doubt they are engaged or will be anytime soon. They should live in the same country for awhile before making that kind of a commitment.

      • Em says:

        Yeah the waity comment was strange and unnecessary. I don’t see Harry doing that to her (although let’s be real, none of us know them so this is all speculative). I can see why he’d be really into her – down to earth, probably refreshing that she’s not part of the usual posh toff circles that he and William run in, and attractive and likeable. I wish them all the best. I’m going to be an optimist and predict that divorce is not imminent for either William or Harry (when he gets married). I think both of them are in it for the long haul – even if it’s not a honeymoon all the way.

    • polonoscopy says:

      I can’t speak to London, but unless it’s TIFF, Toronto isn’t a pap-heavy town. I know a few people who live in Meghan Markle’s neighbourhood, (The Annex, for those so inclined, same as Rachel McAdams) and a friend of mine owns a restaurant she goes to often. The word is that she goes to local restaurants, tips wells, is nice to everyone and has basically integrated herself into the neighbourhood well enough that people are kind of protective of her now that Harry is in the picture.

      • Nic919 says:

        I was told she was at Dupont and Christie… that isn’t really the Annex, or have they extended it again?

        Anyway as a fellow Toronto resident, I agree that paps aren’t around much unless it is TIFF. It was the British paps who caused the ruckus by trying to get into her place. Canadian paps know better.

      • Ravine says:

        Yeah, I think she’s technically in Seaton Village.

  4. notasugarhere says:

    Sixer would be so excited for a summer royal wedding!

    Kate Middleton waited almost a decade, during which she never had a real job and was supported by her parents. Markle works and supports herself while participating in this relationship. Why would Markle be branded as the next Waity if she and Harry do not decide to marry within 6 months of meeting each other?

    • Sixer says:

      I want a wedding that is bigger and better in every way than Katie Keen’s.

      • Digital Unicorn (aka Betti) says:

        Maybe your Build a Bear dream will come true, with crowns and tiara’s.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’ll put in a placeholder request for a completely lace-free wedding dress a la CP Victoria and the Teck Crescent tiara.

      • Sixer says:

        I want everything. Everything!

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’ll keep my fingers crossed for a Concorde fly-over streaming red white and blue smoke after the ceremony. That work?

      • suze says:

        I want them to elope to Vegas and release photos from the Elvis chapel.

      • SMD says:

        By all that is right in the world Siixer, may we get an over the top royal wedding and a build-a-bear, perhaps at the engagement party for the kids? Let it be written, let it be known! Light purple I assume the veranda would be open all night for a royal wedding with both Colin and Aiden serving beverages?! OOHH! We have to come up with the perfect Meghan and Harry cocktail so we can toast to them! So much to do..!

    • Olenna says:

      IA, nota. There’s no comparison b/w idle Katie and working Meghan. Ten years and 6 +/- months do not equate. But, I hope they do wait a year or more if they’re that serious about each other. For selfish reasons, I wanna to see some romance and fashion and, right now, we’re not getting much of that.

    • valkenburg says:

      I really wish we could do away with “Waity”. As can’t make a man propose marriage to you within a certain amount of time you’ll be called waity. That’s rude.

      Also I was reading psychic predictions from years past, and lots of predictions of his bride being dark haired, brown eyed, from another country.

  5. escondista says:

    she’s not a waity; she had a full life (including a marriage) and career and charity work prior to meeting harry.

    • Melly says:

      Exactly! She’s not Waity, she’s an responsible adult woman in a relationship. She doesn’t need the ring nor has she dedicated her life in pursuit of the ring. She probably won’t even try to impersonate Princess Diana.

    • Adele Dazeem says:

      Exactly! Not to mention she’s 9.5 years behind Kate in the waiting dept. if they’re still dating in 2026 let’s talk.

  6. COSquared says:

    I’ll give up on her if someone finds that she has her own Tanna. Right now, I’m still on the fence.

  7. MrsBPitt says:

    No way! I don’t see Harry marrying until he is in his forties, if at all! I think he likes his single life!

  8. Ramona says:

    Yaaasss. A certain demo is extremely pressed about this and I couldnt be more pleased. I see you, Becky.

  9. Bettyrose says:

    I thought I was looking at Megan Fix in the header pic. But yeah how have they avoided pap pics??

  10. Alleycat says:

    I’m going to call bs on the worker not knowing that he was Prince Harry. I hate when people pretend not to know high profile celebrities. You may not care, but you recognize them. Anyway, I love this couple and I hope they get engaged. Give me all the couple-y pics.

    • BJ says:

      Zaqia is a Black woman from America who recently moved to London.Everybody doesn’t know Prince Harry.I saw an interview with her and she seemed to be slightly embarrassed she didn’t know who they were.

      • FrostedFlakes says:

        I’ve been here 12 years and seen them only once – on their way to and from the Royal Wedding. I stood right next to the Burkhas by the traffic lights/pedestrian crossing going into Parliament Square so the cars had to slow down and plus whenever the Royals turned face to salute the Burkhas. I got FULL FRONTAL VISION of them all.

        So yes, I would recognise them now, but if it were not for that experience, I probably wouldn’t recognise any of them at all. BTW, Harry looks just like his photos, Kate is absolutely stunning, William has a huge nose, and Pippa has a very flat face.

      • M4lificent says:

        Pretty much everybody in America knows who Prince Harry is. Certainly a 30-year-old would. But I’m willing to cut her some slack as he was presumably bundled up in a hat and scarf and other “appearance-minimizing” gear.

      • suze says:

        She may have recognized him if she saw him where she expected to see him – at some royal event or something. But bundled up in winter gear at her place of employment might have provided enough of a disguise.

  11. Yeahright says:

    Meh, I don’t get the excitement over this couple.
    His grandfather is a racist, and he went to a party as a Nazi.
    She can do better.
    I think he is fug.

    • ell says:

      lol i also think he’s fug, he looks like his dad. another thing i can add to ‘things i don’t understand’ is white straight women’s fascination with white, pasty brits. maybe it’s because i live amongst them, but there’s nothing special about them. i love CB, but we never have the same taste in men, it seems.

    • TheSageM says:

      He totally looks like Charles. There is nothing sexy about that.

    • Anitas says:

      My MIL claims he looks like that ginger bodyguard Diana had an affair with; she really needs to visit Specsavers. He looks *exactly* like Charles, even more than William. Same nose, same close set eyes. He stands out among other royals as he actually seems to have some personality, but the bar is really low. I agree – she could do better than marry into that family.

      But I do hope they get hitched, if only to freak out all the racists and imperialists. Regardless of what they like to think of themselves, the royals are little more than entertainers, and they could benefit from a showbiz professional among their ranks.

      • woodstock_schulz says:

        someone recently posted photos of Philip when he was younger, Harry looks very much like his grandfather, red hair and all

      • Em says:

        I agree with all of this. I see a lot of Charles in Harry, definitely than William. (Which btw is not to imply William isn’t Charles’ son – pretty certain they both are). But you really see the resemblance between Charles and Harry in the eyes which are quite close set, and the position of the brow bone. Their noses are very similar and shape of the face is almost identical. Same ruddiness in the cheeks too.

  12. Mousyb says:

    Hasnt this been like 5 – 7 months tops?!!! They barely know each other, why the proposal speculation already? I dont get it…

    • notasugarhere says:

      Rania and Abdullah II, Letizia and Felipe. Two royal couples who married within a year of first meeting. 23 years and 12 years later, seem to be doing just fine.

      • Mousyb says:

        Nothing wrong with getting engaged relatively early (whatever floats your boat) – just seems odd to put so much pressure on them (the media that is) imo.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The media wants anything that earns them money and clicks. If it is engagement speculation, then so be it.

    • Nic919 says:

      If he is serious then I don’t think he will wait very long, especially if he wants his grandparents to be able to attend the wedding. They are both getting older.

  13. TheSageM says:

    They will not be engaged after dating just a few months, no way.

    • Sarah says:

      I agree with you. I dont think they will be engaged, ever. Her career is way too racy for the British royal family and she seems to enjoy publicity a bit too much for them, also.

  14. MellyMel says:

    *Sigh* I love this couple. And I love all these people acting like they personally know them and what they would, should and could do. Like they might get (be?) engaged after only dating a few months ppl…it happens! Calm down and stop being jealous! :)

    • Melly says:

      I don’t get the jealousy of some people. Like your imaginary royal and/or famous boyfriend can STILL be your imaginary royal/famous boyfriend even if he’s dating/engaged/married in real life. All is possible through the power of imagination =)

      • Olenna says:

        That’s pretty much what it boils down to, delusion and imagination, wrapped up in bitterness and envy. The intensity of some it is what’s worrisome, though. I don’t think some people realize how unstable their opinions sound. I still wonder if Benedict C’s wife ever feels safe walking around in public. People were wishing her dead, or a miscarriage, or a divorce and blaming her behavior for their hatred if others called them out on it. As I’ve said before, these types of delusional women need to find a real boyfriend.

    • suze says:

      Heh. I don’t know. I personally think it’s all just gossip.

  15. Sixer says:

    I think she should have a better – read more blingy – ring than Katie the Keen. Can’t Her Maj destroy some history-laden tiara to make it or something?

    • Cee says:

      LOL and please let The Queen loan her a much bigger tiara than the Halo/Scroll thing Kate had to wear.

      • SMD says:

        I personally want to see her in a form fitting gown, huge tiara, no veil! Dripping in royal gosh I need a mimosa stat. Also Hiddleston, the Afghans and I will be dressed to the nines watching the royal wedding from a fabulous estate of one of Luke’s friends…dibs! My gosh I might just rally through till Friday. Where are Siixer, Light Purple, Grace, Chef Grace, MI6, Spider, Kitten, the veranda crew???

    • notasugarhere says:

      Philip’s mother’s tiara was destroyed to make HM’s engagement ring and the wedding bracelet. If there are a few giant diamonds left over from that, perhaps Harry could use those?

      HM should deconstruct the horrible ruby tiara on principle, because it is so ugly. She destroyed a lovely tiara in order to make that thing.

    • Sixer says:

      See? It would be perfick!

    • Digital Unicorn (aka Betti) says:

      Am sure granny will give me something – she has the best bling collection in the world.

      PS, I would be amazing if she wore the Spencer Tiara on the wedding day – wasn’t that Diana’s favourite one? Katie Keen would lose her sh!t over that.

      • Cee says:

        Could she, though? The tiara belongs to the Spencers and I’d imagine it’s reserved for the Spencer women. But I’m sure Uncle Charlie would love to loan it in order to talk about Diana and pimp out his state.

      • LAK says:

        The Spencer tiara belongs to the spencer family, but how about that gobstopper of a sapphire choker as her wedding gift from Harry, won with her wedding dress and no tiara?

      • Digital Unicorn (aka Betti) says:

        @LAK – who owns that choker? If its one of the boys am sure we’d have seen it on Waity, that girls grabs at anything Diana related.

        You know the ring of doom really should be Harry’s to give to his bride – it was the item of his mothers that he chose. From what i recall Willy took it without permission to give to Waity.

      • LAK says:

        I think this belonged to Diana outright. Wedding present from the Queenmother – the sapphire part.

        The size of it may be stopping Kate from wearing it IF she has it. It’s too much statement for her. Remember her embarrassment at wearing the Nizam of Hydrabad necklace and hiding it with hair? I think the same fate would befall this choker if Kate wore it.

        Yep vis a vis the ring of doom.

      • artistsnow says:

        Amazing how every piece of elaborate jewelry looks so natural on Diana.

    • suze says:

      I think Harry should cajole the Queen out of the rock that is on the imperial sceptor and put it on a big old band. Meghan can carry her hand around in front of her on a wheelbarrow. The Normal Bill will have to ante up an even bigger diamond for Katie Keen – maybe they can glom together two or three rocks that Elizabeth Taylor left around.

      Then Megan should wear the George V diadem (or whatever it is called – the big blingy one they keep locked up in the Tower) to walk down the aisle at their wedding in the Elvis chapel.

  16. Anastasia says:

    A few things:

    I predict that even IF Harry gets married, he won’t ever have kids. I think he likes kids, I just don’t think he likes the idea of his own kids growing up under the royal microscope, and I think he’s good with other people’s kids. Doesn’t necessarily mean you want your own.

    I predict he won’t get married for quite a while, possibly even his 40s, as someone said above.

    I know this will sound mean, and I really don’t mean it in that spirit, but I feel like his looks have a definite sell-by date that is coming up fast. (I actually like him; this is just an observation.)

    Oh and she is very pretty.

    • Luca76 says:

      I hate to be crude but I’m pretty sure even the spare is required to breed. Irregardless of personal preferences they’re required to have a backup set of heirs. Elizabeth wasn’t expected to inherit the thrown for instance.

      • Cee says:

        Hence why Margaret couldn’t marry the man she loved. She, and her future children, were still needed even with the births of Charles and Anne!

      • notasugarhere says:

        There are thousands in line; none of them are required to have kids. Belgium’s throne passed quietly and efficiently to the king’s brother and then that king’s son (the first king’s nephew), no problem.

      • Anastasia says:

        Nah, it would just pass over him.

    • FrostedFlakes says:

      Oh… so how/when did you meet him? When did he whisper this in your ear? Why do you think you even begin to know his thoughts? Could I have the numbers for this week’s lottery draw?

  17. HappyMom says:

    He’s in his early thirties-I think he’s ready to settle down and have kids. To me, especially since he and William seem to be more distant, I think he’s lonely and wants a partner. And she’s 35, biological clock is ticking. They’re not 22-I see lots of couples in their 30s who once they meet the right person get engaged and married within a year to 18 months. I think at this point they each know what they’re looking for (and she was married once-she knows what’s up). What’s the point of dating for a long time then? I hope this it-I think she’s going to make a great Royal Duchess.

  18. Rapunzel says:

    I’m still wondering if they haven’t been together longer than the public knows. Harry is good at the undercover.

  19. Serena says:

    Stop trying to make fetch happen Americans – there is no way this family will take in an American divorcee and catholic. Get a grip – a Catholic? are you for real? do you understand ANYTHING about British history? to say nothing of the reason Queenie is Queenie is because of an American divorcee…… lololololol

    • notasugarhere says:

      Edward wasn’t forced out because of Wallis, that was a convenient excuse.

      It is 2016, not 1936.

      Law was changed. Members of the BRF can now marry a Catholic and stay in the line of succession.

      Charles was a divorced widower who married a divorcee. Anne was a divorcee who married one of her mother’s employees after having an extramarital affair with him for years. Michael of Kent married a divorced Catholic. Duchess of Kent converted to Catholicism. Autumn Kelly converted from Catholicism and married Peter Philips, Anne’s son.

      • KiddVicious says:

        Charles isn’t technically a widower, though. He and Diana were officially divorced before she died, right? Saying he’s a widower makes him a more sympathetic figure and sounds better than divorced cheater who married his mistress. (Not that this has anything to do with your point) :D

      • notasugarhere says:

        Shall we get into Diana’s string of lovers, during and after the marriage? Her going after and having affairs with multiple married men?

        Even if there had been no outside forces, Charles and Diana never would have been a good match. They loved the idea of each other, not the reality. He wanted a good royal, she wanted a Barbara Cartland hero. Doomed to fail no matter what.

      • KiddVicious says:

        Actually, I would like a list of Diana’s lovers. I’m not questioning whether it happened, I’ve read the rumors, but the gossip in me wants the dirt.

        My point was that Charles and Diana were divorced before she died, I don’t think he can be called a widower. And saying he’s a widower gives the impression that he lost his first love but lucky him, he found love again. When reality was he probably never loved his wife, divorced, then married one of his long time mistresses who was also married whilst trysting with Charles.

        I actually think Charles and Camilla make a great couple. They seem to mesh with each other.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’ll give you one: Hewitt. You’re on your own to go back and research what all Diana was up to during the 80s and 90s. Look for info on Princess Anne and Camilla’s ex while you’re at it. Anne who also had ex-marital affairs and married one of them.

        Diana herself said that they loved each other very much, and anyone who said otherwise was lying. On that, I’ll take her word. Not for many other things, but on that I believe she was sincere. Those two were never going to last no matter what. Charles wore his wedding band from Diana on his pinky ring for years after her death.

        For Church of England rules, he’d count as a widower not a divorcee as his ex was not living. Kind of like the Catholic Church, where they might not recognize a civil divorce, but if one party passed away, the other would be free to re-marry in the CC as a widow/widower. The sticking point, for some in the Church, was that Camilla was also divorced and her ex is still alive.

    • Anastasia says:

      I thought she was Jewish.

    • LAK says:

      Several things:

      1. Camilla and Autumn were catholics who converted to marry into the family.

      2. Kate is either atheist or agnostic who only took communion a week before her wedding.

      3. Princess Michael of Kent, All the Duke of Kent’s family except for 2 grandkids are catholics – wife, children, grandchildren.

      4. As of March 2015, the religion requirement has been removed from the succession laws. Being catholic is no longer a barrier.

      5. Just because Wallis Simpson was American doesn’t mean Americans are barred from marrying the royals. During the campaign to vililfy Wallis, her American-ness became a perjorative, but it was specific to her. There were plenty of Americans married to the aristocracy during that same timeframe, including one who entered parliament, Nancy Astor and infamously Consuelo Vanderbilt.

      6. The notion that non-Brits are excluded when you count how many foreign born people are married into all branches of the family including the Queen’s own husband who is Greek.

      7. Re:divorces…..see Charles and Anne, divorced themselves and remartied to divorcees. In Charles’s case, his divorced former mistress.

      8. As for invoking British history…….it’s littered with precedent and reasons for allowing all of the above.

      A) Church of England – set up to facilitate the King’s divorce. That King went on to gave 5 more wives.

      B ) Marriage and mistresses – easier to count the monarchs who didn’t gave mistresses.

      C ) scandal – the royal families of 20th/21st centuries are practically chaste and great role models compared to anyone who went before.

      D ) religion – as of March 2015, not a problem anymore.

      • Lady D says:

        I find #2 interesting. Are Willy and Kate expected to raise their children in a church? As in, do they have to attend because of their titles, beliefs irrespective?

      • Tough Cookie says:

        re: #6 Prince Philip…isn’t he Danish/German by blood and Greek only in title? (I’m a little fuzzy on the details… @LAK please don’t think I am quibbling with you…I bow to your knowledge in these matters!!)

      • Tina says:

        @Lady D yes, they have to raise their children in the Church of England and attend that church – but it’s not because of their titles as the Cambridges or Prince William. It’s because William will be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England one day.

      • LAK says:

        Tough Cookie: Not at all. 🤗 Phil the Greek isn’t actually Greek in terms of bloodlines. Not a single drop.

        The Greek royals are Danish/German/Russian etc in blood and lineage, but as they accepted the Greek throne in 1863, they are Greek by nationality even if the Greeks won’t have royals anymore.

      • Maria says:

        Charles has said he wants to be “defender of all faiths” not just of the faith. Things will change when he becomes king.

      • Tina says:

        @Maria, the title Defender of [the] Faith is a separate matter from Charles’s future status as head of the Church of England. To change Charles’s title to Defender of Faith from Defender of the Faith would require an amendment to the Royal Titles Act 1953. For the monarch to no longer be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England would be a seismic shift and one that neither Charles nor William has ever been said to be contemplating.

    • COSquared says:

      David was infertile. She still would’ve ended up as Queen in 1972.

      • Digital Unicorn (aka Betti) says:

        Hmm, I thought it was Wallis who couldn’t have children after a botched abortion her first (and very abusive) husband made her have.

      • Maria says:

        David and his brother Bertie came down with the Mumps when they were in Naval college. This can cause infertility in men. Obviously it didn’t affect Bertie.

    • Kitty says:

      @LAK how do you know Kate is an atheistic or agnostic?

      • LAK says:

        Waiting until a week before your wedding to be confirmed into the church is a big red flag that points to that conclusion.

        FYI: the minimum age to be confirmed is 10yrs old. Most people arrange it as soon as they can after that age because you can’t take communion ( or shouldn’t) without it.

        Further, no record of Kate or the Middletons attending church except for weddings or funerals. They didn’t even do the big christian festivals like Easter and Christmas ie attend church.

        Post-wedding, they, including Kate and William, attend royal family church events that can’t be avoided.

        The Middletons specifically tend to go to church when the royals are involved, not off their own bat.

        Btw, i include William in my assessment despite his future position as head of the church. In his case, the only church services he attends are those he can’t avoid with good reason.

        Btw, saying that Kate and William are atheists or agnostic isn’t an insult to them. It’s the general trend in Britain.

  20. Digital Unicorn (aka Betti) says:

    I doubt Harry would upset his grandmother by pulling a William (TQ only gave her permission for him to marry a few weeks before the wedding – she made them wait).

    Who knows if they will get married, if it last past next summer then maybe.

  21. Cerys says:

    Talk of an engagement might be a bit premature. They have only been dating for about 6 months and have not seen much of each other due to living on opposite sides of the Atlantic. Meghan has another 10 years to go before she can be called Waity 2.
    That said, she seems like a breath of fresh air compared to Waity and I hope it works out for them.

    • Connell says:

      What bothers me is her age. She’ll be turning 36 in July or August. They won’t get married before then. A first child at 37, a second child at 39 is cutting it close. Not all women can do it; I have friends that are in infertility treatment at age 30. However, I wish them the best.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They would have the best assistance if needed. Sophie and Edward had lots of IVF assistance, and she had their second child at 42. Her medical problems came with the first pregnancy at 37, not the one at 42.

      • Skins says:

        I have a feeling she is not in this to start pumping out babies for this guy

      • LO says:

        I wish people in general would stop acting like fertility treatments are nothing. It’s a very long process that is very, very emotionally taxing and has no guarantee that it will be a success especially as a woman increases in age. It’s not like oh I’ll just do IVF, and then I’ll get pregnant no problem! IVF does not reverse age-dependent decline in fertility. IVF has a success rate of 41% in women <35, 31% in women aged 35-37, 22% in women aged 38-40 and it gets even lower once a woman is over 40. And if IVF is successful it's not all rainbows and roses. There is an increase risk of multiple gestation, congenital anomalies, miscarriage, and fetal loss compared to pregnancies conceived without assistance. IVF does allow many couples to have children that so hoped for a child that otherwise probably wouldn't have been possible but to make it seem as though it's nothing is very dismissive to the couples who have to go through the process and especially to the couples who aren't successful.

      • artistsnow says:

        Lo: Thank you!!!!

        My eggs were old, my hubs sperm swam in circles. We got the needles, and I could’t push the hormones in my body. Knew about ectopic pregnancies and thought if my body wasn’t ready I wasn’t going to make it happen. We adopted and I never looked back. She’s 17 and amazing.

        ARe Royals not allowed to adopt?

      • Anastasia says:

        Who is to say they’d have kids?

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’m not taking it lightly. My point was, should they need help, they will have all the monetary resources to *try* to make it happen. Doesn’t mean it will, but they won’t have to decide to stop trying for lack of funds. Lack of success yes, but never due to lack of funds.

        There are tests developed in the last 5 years that enable pre-implantation genetic screening, increasing the odds of success and decreasing the miscarriage rate due to genetic anomalies. There are also new non-invasive tests instead of amnio, so miscarriages related to amnio will become a thing of the past. With older mothers, there are ethics policies being put in place and strong advice to implant one embryo per cycle to cut down on multiple births.

        It is not easy by any means, but when you have unlimited funds, it gives you a much better chance than others. Ask Laura Linney.

  22. Lainey says:

    Seeing as we got a million and one stories about cressida and harry getting engaged I’ll wait to get excited till the announcement. I really like them but how much time have they really spent together- he spent most of the summer in Africa,a long tour and she only recently finished filming. Give em another six months before we’re walking them down the aisle.

  23. mazzie says:

    Torontonians take pride in not acknowledging celebrities. It’s more a ‘oh hey, Ricky Gervais just walked by me. Cool.” and continuing on your way. Also, we’re used to royals here since they’re part of the Crown of Canada, yadda, yadda. Most of the time it’s a huge, “whatever.”

  24. spidey says:

    If they are secretly engaged, is it a secret?

  25. Sage says:

    I still don’t believe they will make it to the Abbey.

    • minx says:

      Me neither.

    • Ollie says:

      It’ll likely end the same way it started: fast and passionate.

    • suze says:

      No because they will be married in the Elvis chapel in Vegas. I have planned it all.

    • Kitty says:

      I agree. Even if they did they wouldn’t marry at the Abbey. She’s divorced.

      • Maria says:

        St George’s chapel then in Windsor. If Charles can get married there so can Harry.
        Would he be banned from marrying at Westminster Abbey?

      • Tina says:

        No, he’s not banned from marrying at Westminster Abbey. Marriage of divorced people in the Church of England is very much up to the individual vicar. Charles and Camilla actually had a civil marriage ceremony and then a blessing at St George’s Chapel, rather than being married there. But they had both been previously married in the Church of England, and we don’t know anything about Meghan’s first marriage (I suspect it wasn’t in the Church of England though).

  26. MyLittlePony says:

    All I can think about is the tiara she’ll be wearing if they get married. But it is likely there won’t be any major bling on her head and that’s Kate’s fault really: she chose to wear the minuscule Cartier Halo – I guess Meghan won’t be wearing anything bigger than that.

  27. LO says:

    Why does everyone go insane the second Harry gets a girlfriend?? Why can’t they just be two people who are dating and enjoying each other’s company? Now all the sudden they are secretly engaged and if they aren’t she’s waity 2.0?? I almost feel bad for Harry. I say almost because he’s still a multimillionaire who has the tax payer pay rent for him and his extended family in exchange for charity work that other people and celebs do out of the goodness of their hearts.

    • CynicalCeleste says:

      “…he’s still a multimillionaire who has the tax payer pay rent for him and his extended family in exchange for charity work that other people and celebs do out of the goodness of their hearts.”

      Just want to highlight this as the most salient remark i’ve heard all day. EXACTLY. Not to mention using major national monuments as private living quarters, which instead ought to be open to the public and generating revenue for the state.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Can’t really see how a 2 bedroom cottage in the KP grounds would be a big money earner for the state. Buckingham Palace as a museum and hotel yes, a 2-bedroom no.

  28. Reece says:

    She’s not Waity 2.0 til they hit the 10 yr mark. They haven’t even hit 1 so…

  29. Dani says:

    This feels a bit Ben and Jen (1.0). I hope we get some honeymoon boat pics with tiny bikinis and ass slapping.

  30. Skins says:

    I don’t understand how they can be so loved up and yet still haven’t been photographed together yet. You would think he would want the world to know about his love. I just think this is another fling for Prince Hotpants and when he gets his fill he will move on

    • Guesto says:

      Except that if it was just a fling, he wouldn’t have put out that statement to the press to back off and understand that real people with real feelings were being seriously hurt by the toxic response to their relationship. On the basis of that, I think it’s reasonable to assume that this is not a fling.

      As for the idea that they should be showing it off to the world, well, duh. I refer you to the earlier part of my post.

      I’m no royalist and if they were all turfed out tomorrow and left to fend for themselves in some grim corner of the world, I’d be dancing a pitchfork jig, but that’s not going to happen so, in the meantime, if a relatively decent royal who’s showed willing, is doing what he can do to protect the woman he presumably loves, then I’m on his side.

      • Kitty says:

        @Gust apparently she had a lot on hand with the statement.

      • Tina says:

        @Guesto, I’m with you. And even if she had input into the statement, that doesn’t change the fact that it was issued from KP, and there is no way that Harry would have permitted it to go out if he didn’t agree with every word.

  31. Rae says:

    She would look beautiful in a tiara, that’s for sure.

  32. Jayna says:

    I can’t imagine living a free life like she has trading it to be so constrained being tied to the Royals. No way, not even for Prince Harry.

  33. Ollie says:

    She looks so much like Pippa in the top picture. It’s creepy.
    In the last post here she looked like Gina from Jane the Virgin, but here she is all Pippa (without the orange).

    • suze says:

      I should have read your comment first. I said the same thing.

      I find it odd that others don’t see that. At least the two of us do.

  34. suze says:

    She is a prettier version of Pippa to my eyes.

    I think they are serious and they could well be married…or not. I am very bad at predicting these things.

    I want to know how they can go out and about in both Toronto and London without being detected, but there is such a media frenzy about them that warnings had to be issued from KP and weddings NOT attended. I find all of this highly dubious.

  35. Rocío says:

    Good for them if they get engaged but isn’t a bit soon? To each their own…. anyway it’s so bizarre there’s no picture about them like their relationship is some kind of urban myth. I want I heart MT t-shirt, kisses on the beach, stroll in the park. Give us something! Hahaha Just kiddding!

  36. Bonobochick says:

    The Sun has now posted pics of them out together in London.

  37. Beesknees says:

    My take on this:
    Harry’s approach to love or ‘the one’ is outwardly protective and affectionate. His choice in a woman is intelligent, hard working, charitable and at 35 probably very self assured. It almost seems as if he is trying to liv his life and choose a mate in direct contrast to the way W&K express theirs. If they marry I bet they will be active in engagements and it will be quite the contrast!

  38. Ellis says:

    I don’t know why this beautiful, intelligent, woman with a fun career, and rewarding life would marry into this family of stiffs. Diana had a personality and charitable heart and she had to bail. Theirs would have to truly be a love that conquers all. However, I look forward to seeing their babies!

  39. A says:

    Normally, I’m really really skeptical of relationships, particularly the ones in the Royal family. Particularly ones that step “out of the norm” as it were. This one ticks all three boxes, and it should rightfully make me leery about it’s longevity. And yet. AND YET. I so, SO badly want it to work. I couldn’t explain why, for the life of me, but I do. I really really want this relationship to somehow magically defy all the odds and make it to the very end. Even though it probably won’t. I’m not even a romantic of any sort, I don’t have an excuse at all. :/ AND YET.

    I’ll stop now.