Howard Stern: Donald Trump ‘still wants Hillary Clinton to win’

"America's Got Talent" Season 10

Howard Stern interviewed Donald Trump for years. Trump loved Stern, and the two men seemed to enjoy gossiping about celebrities, about sex, about their families and about politics. Since Stern is arguably one of America’s greatest interviewers, his years’ worth of interviews with Trump became fodder during the campaign, back when we honestly thought that the electorate would be appalled by Trump’s rampant creepiness, perversion and misogyny. As it turned out, it didn’t matter at all to millions of voters. Anyway, Stern now has some thoughts about what the presidency is going to do Trump. I guess… keep in mind that Stern was a Hillary Clinton supporter, but as Stern says, so was Trump.

The presidency will be detrimental to Trump: “I personally wish that he had never run, I told him that, because I actually think this is something that is gonna be detrimental to his mental health too, because, he wants to be liked, he wants to be loved. He wants people to cheer for him. I don’t think it’s going to be a healthy experience. And by the way, he’s now on this anti-Hollywood kick. He loves Hollywood. First of all, he loves the press. He lives for it. He loves people in Hollywood. He only wants hobnob with them. All of this hatred and stuff directed towards him. It’s not good for him. It’s not good. There’s a reason every president who leaves the office has grey hair.”

Stern doesn’t like his politics: “I like Donald very much personally. I was shocked when he decided to run for president, and even more shocked that sort of, people took it seriously. I remember saying to him when he announced his presidency, I remember being quite amazed, because I remember him being for Hillary Clinton. And I remember him being very–I mean he was pro-abortion. So the new Donald Trump kind of surprised me.” Stern said he doesn’t believe Trump has had a change of heart on issues like abortion, but is instead playing to his base.

Stern believes he ran for president as a way to get larger contract from NBC for “The Apprentice.” “I think it started out as like a kinda cool, fun thing to do in order to get a couple more bucks out of NBC for The Apprentice, I actually do believe that. He just wanted a couple more bucks out of NBC, and that is why Donald is calling for voter fraud investigations. He’s pissed he won. He still wants Hillary Clinton to win. He’s so f—ing pissed, he’s hoping that he can find some voter fraud and hand it over to Hillary.”

[From CNN]

I actually think Stern sounds incredibly kind, generous and optimistic here. It would be amazing to think that Emperor Baby Fists was still mystified as to how he got in the White House, and maybe he didn’t really believe all of the horrible sh-t he’s been peddling. But isn’t it a better analysis to say that Baby Fists just says what he thinks people want to hear him say? If he’s talking to a liberal radio show host, he’ll slide to that side. If he’s hanging out with his Nazi buddies, he’ll slide to that side. He’s a man without a coherent political or personal ideology or philosophy, which actually makes him even more dangerous. He’s CHOSEN to listen to only the most unhinged lunatics. This did make me laugh though: “He’s pissed he won. He still wants Hillary Clinton to win.” I do sort of believe that. That’s what his face said to me when he first met with President Obama following the election. He was sh-tting his pants.

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  1. eXo says:

    Of course, he is pro-abortion. I bet he had a lot of affairs who had abortions. JMO.

    • Megan says:

      Marla certainly thinks he wanted her to have an abortion.

    • Sixer says:

      I said on yesterday’s prayer meeting thread that I don’t think he is anti-abortion. Or anti-gay. I don’t think he’s committed to socially liberal values or anything – I just can’t believe he cares about anything like that.

      The Orange One is interested in two things: self-aggrandizement and money-making. Abortion has no effect on either of those things, so why would he give it even a moment’s attention other than to cater to a particular voting base?

      • Christin says:

        Greed and ego-boosting (warranted or not) are top priorities in his world. Anyone who has paid attention to his 30-plus years trying to stay in the spotlight needs to remember this.

        And I also agree that he did not expect to win, though by the end his sense of competitive egotism blinded him a bit.

      • Sixer says:


        I mean, I can credit that signing an anti-abortion executive order gives him a little vicarious thrill of power over others (self-aggrandizement needs therefore appeased). Just not that he has any kind of position on the ethics of abortion.

      • lucy2 says:

        I agree, I don’t think he actually cares about any of it, but is just doing stuff to stick it to those who aren’t falling in line and worshipping him.

      • Betsy says:

        @roguePOTUSstaff agrees with you – he literally doesn’t care.

      • cathy says:

        I agree 100%. He was able to hijack the republican party. I was convinced when he got in that he was doing it to make the republicans look so bad that they would never beat Hillary. I think he’s liberal and just did what he had to do to get the nomination. I think he made a deal with the repubs – let him do what he wants to cut taxes and make money for his family and he’ll let them do what they want with the social part like restricting womens, gays, and minorities rights.

      • Amanda says:

        Absolutely. You got it

  2. Sarah says:

    I think we all have seen Trump’s face after he won the election. He never wanted to win, Melania was shocked too.

    • RussianBlueCat says:

      Remember the look on his face when he first walked into the White House after winning the election to meet President Obama? That was a look of terror on his face. It was finally hitting home that he was going to be president.

      • Sarah says:

        Yep, his facial expressions said everything. He didn’t want to win.

      • Velvet Elvis says:

        Now we are the ones with the look of terror on our faces.

      • Bread and Circuses says:

        I’m going to be less charitable than Stern and say I think Trump wanted to lose because then he could sit on his butt and tweet about how he would have done everything better, and Hillary was terrible and corrupt, and the election was rigged.

        It’s much harder to appear great when you have to actually BE great to convince anyone that you are. Talk is so much cheaper, and goodness knows, the Donald is broke.

    • Shambles says:

      Plus the fact that Stern has known him for years, and he straight up said he ran as a joke to get more money from NBC. I absolutely believe Stern, and I’m so f*cking pissed at the people who fell for this joke and put this monster clown in the White House.

    • Greenieweenie says:

      This is my sense of it too. That’s why Melania isn’t making any change to her life…she never expected to have to. And I think Trump just focused on saying whatever he needed to say to get voters (and just got carried away in the momentum) without ever considering the larger picture: that what he said might put him in office, and he’d actually have to govern on that basis. I think he put all his effort into learning about how to campaign, and hasn’t a clue about the role or politics of the executive office (hence the EOs, which do not require a grasp of anything).

      • Echo Stardust says:

        It’s baffling that HRC lost to someone who didn’t even want to win, to someone who barely tried…

    • Greenieweenie says:

      This is truly a meta reality show.

    • ida says:

      @Velvet Elvis SO TRUE. that is why I don’t want to hear anything about that Trump did not really mean it and that his presidency is just a kind of accident or better a PR moove that backfired in a big way. What difference does this make NOW? Shall we sympathize? No. thank you very much. I hope in the end it was for the best the he became the president because when he goes down (and he will) he is going to take his shitty “movement” and the deplorable GOP with him! and the US is going to shine brighter then ever without these criminals. until then #RESIST

    • Erica_V says:

      I have been saying to anyone who will listen since the day he was campaigning in NYC and he “mixed up” 9/11 with 7/11. He never wanted to win. He wanted the popularity of having a big fan base to kick off The Trump TV Channel. He never expected he’d win. He never thought people would vote for him. That’s why when he started to lead in Rep polls he started saying more and more outrageous things thinking people would be turned off enough that they wouldn’t vote for him but that they would keep tuning in to hear what he said. But it backfired.

      Basically even he didn’t think Americans were dumb/crazy enough to vote him in.

  3. Kirby says:

    My friends who grew up in NYC and his father is a major architect in the city who knew Trump all through the 90s and early 2000s. He told me the Trump he knew was a hardcore liberal democrat and this new Trump is just so not the person he once knew

    • HappyMom says:

      That’s what I’ve always heard too. Is new anti-abortion stance is definitely not where he was.

    • Shambles says:

      This Trump is a person who can’t take defeat, and probably is being blackmailed by multiple people, so will say whatever he has to say. It’s all a lie.

      • Firerabbit says:

        +1. After the last few days, does anyone not believe the M16 dossier anymore?
        Also, with Stern. Why are the old white men still making excuses for him. Why are men having such problems believing what is happening?

    • Slowsnow says:

      @Kirby doesn’t this say that we never really know people? I don’t think he is pro-abortion. He is pro-Donald. If when he was younger certains laws protected his lifestyle (and let’s not forget that we were in an ultra-capitalist world) that was ok with him. Now if other laws protect his new game power, he’ll go for them.

      • Christin says:

        I don’t think that is a core issue to him, but he has to appear anti- abortion to appeal to a conservative base. He also has to promise reviving coal and manufacturing jobs, etc. He came to depressed areas and sold himself as a conservative miracle worker. At the same time, gotta reduce taxes on wealthy and get rid of the inheritance tax (which has already been substantially raised over the past few years, but facts be darned).

      • Kitten says:

        I hate to nitpick but please don’t use the term “pro-abortion”, the correct term is “pro-choice”. Likewise, please don’t use the term “pro-life”, the correct term is “anti-choice”.

      • MC2 says:

        I agree 100% about the terms although……I think Stern was telling us something.

    • detritus says:

      He picked a side he thought could win, espoused hatred because he didn’t care either way, and surprise it worked.

      I can’t have sympathy for someone who has shown the world the Dunning-Kruger effect on such a large scale.

      He is the mouthpiece and face of pure hatred and self serving bias, he has made his bed by pulling the sheets from everyone else. Should’ve wanted the right thing more than he wanted to be popular.

    • Liz says:

      My dad was working in real estate financing in NYC in the 1980s. Trump was notorious for not paying his bills (so Dad wouldn’t lend to him) and a womanizer. He was also sexist and a racist and not really shy about it. He certainly didn’t care about anyone other than himself.

      Trump’s politics have always been about making life for himself – nothing more, nothing less. Easy access to birth control and abortion made his life easier, so he was in favor, until he wanted to cater to the Right Wing.

  4. Megan says:

    Trump could have dropped out of the primary at any time. He wanted to president and fully expected to be loved and adored by the masses. He is so mentally unhinged, it must be confusing as hell to see how much he is despised.

    I will be attending another organized protest in DC this afternoon. If you are local, it is at 16th and Constitution from 4:30 – 6 pm.

    • SusanneToo says:

      A protest is also scheduled for Mar-a-Lago on Saturday while he’s there. Also, the Red Cross and the Dana Farber Cancer Institute are catching flak for scheduling fund raisers there. Just another example of trump screwing over charities.

    • Carryon says:

      I wonder if he stuck around after primaries because of the support he got. I mean, I can believe that it started at some kind of a joke but during the primary he got much more support, love, hate and attention than he was expecting. So because he loves the attention, he went all the way. Who knows really? The problem is he does not seem to have many political opinions other than his massive crush on Putin. The people in the background (Kushner, Bannon etc.) are going to be the ones who are running the show so it is obvious he did not want to be the president so he can enact a set of policies.

      • Slowsnow says:

        That’s it @Carryon. He is still thinking of ratings (see yesterday’s official brekkie) and the people behind him are manipulating his power-driven nature.

      • GingerCrunch says:

        This is what I believed happened, too. His narcissism ate it up! And the deplorables ate it up! And now we’re in the middle of a national nightmare. Smh

      • lucy2 says:

        That’s what I’ve been saying since the beginning. He’s “run” a few times before, all for the attention and the adulation, and then always gave up when it came time to get down to details. This time he found himself the front runner and got caught up in the power.
        I’m now wondering if he knows he’s going down – there’s something he’s hiding in his taxes, his relationships with Russia, possibly treason, who knows what else – and he’s just going to make a mess and cry about Obama until he gets the boot.

      • Tara says:

        That is the problem isn’t it? The nazis always seemed like all style and no substance too, hatred being their sole guiding principle. Bone chilling.

    • nicegirl says:

      Thank you Megan

  5. Jenns says:

    “And by the way, he’s now on this anti-Hollywood kick. He loves Hollywood. First of all, he loves the press. He lives for it. He loves people in Hollywood. He only wants hobnob with them. All of this hatred and stuff directed towards him. It’s not good for him. It’s not good.”

    Bingo. This is what we’ve been saying all along. That’s why it’s so pathetic to hear his supporters say that celeb/press are snowflakes and that Trump doesn’t care about them. Trump is the biggest snowflake of them all and the only thing he cares about is what celebs/press say about him.

    Donald Trump is nothing more than your typical bully–Insecure, needy, wants to be loved, wants to be admired, wants to hang with the cool kids, ect. And when he doesn’t get it, he throws a temper tantrum.

    • Shambles says:

      Even sadder are the regular Americans who actually think he cares about THEM. He doesn’t give a sh!t about them.

    • Tiny Martian says:

      He’s also a complete idiot to think that by running for President and appealing to the extreme right, he would become loved and admired and “in” with the Hollywood crowd.

    • Esmom says:

      Yes. And I’ll add what people said right after the election…he didn’t want to win, he just didn’t want to lose.”

      He’s in so far over his head, it seems so clear. He hung up on the Australian PM supposedly because he was tired and had a long day! This from the guy who said Hillary had no stamina…

  6. kri says:

    Hmmm. So HS is another person who “likes Trump very much”personally. So there is another white, rich male who likes Trump. They just keep coming out, don’t they? Well, we can’t take anything he says seriously, because if you stand with Trump in ANY way, even if you are trying to downplay him-you are “with” him. I wonder if Howard keeps a hat in a locker somewhere with Baby Fist’s slogan on it? We must all boy cott Howard now, along with Matthew McConaughey, Tom Brady etc. All that white male privilege is disgusting.

    • LinaLamont says:

      Don’t forget to boycott… never ever use…Uber.

      Trump is on the ultimate power-trip. He may have been shocked and scared at first, but, he’s loving it, now. He has others to do the work while he’s the most powerful person on the planet.

      He gets to grow his personal wealth and influence, while indulging in his insecure, petty vengefulness at the highest level. He gets to have world leaders grovel…..Japan, I’m looking at you.

      Donnie, you’ll never measure up. Your daddy will never love you. You’ll never get your daddy’s approval. It’s all for naught.

      • kri says:

        @Lina YES!! Thank you and always be vigilant. This insidious evil is everywhere.

      • Firerabbit says:

        Lyft is no better. It’s biggest investors are huuuuge Trump supporters. So go back to Uber since he at least got the message, or perhaps, better yet, support local jobs and cabbies again.

      • AnneC says:

        @linaLamont That’s ridiculous. People protested against Uber and the CEO put up a $3 million fund for drivers with green cards and dropped off the Trump economic panel. You need to reward people for doing the right thing otherwise boycotts don’t work. Use Lyft (they have their own issues, but are dealing with them) or Uber. Nordstrom should also be rewarded. Boycotts are about economics and we need to make sure we use our power to make change.

      • LinaLamont says:

        Yeah, I see both sides…’s really a no-win.

    • LinaLamont says:

      I, truly, didn’t know how stupid he is until this election. He’s not just uneducated/ignorant; he’s, genuinely, unintelligent. That came as, somewhat, of a surprise. Of course, I never paid much attention to him before……..

    • LinaLamont says:

      Kalanick did it to save his ass. Nothing noble.

    • Tara says:

      When guys say some asshole is a “good guy” but can’t offer any supporting reasons, it always translates to me as “he’s a blast to snort coke and ogle strippers with.”

  7. Ramona says:

    That pic! Gee I wonder what those extremely beautiful, significantly younger women saw in these conventionally unattractive sex obsessed rich men. I would have thought Howard more self aware than this. Isnt he always reminding guests that their relationships would never be possible without the millions?

    • Daisy says:

      I think he is self aware enough to know why these women are with them.

    • Jayna says:

      Beth Stern is in her mid 40s now. She is still much younger than Howard, though. They have been together for around 17 years. I would say they have a really great relationship and are also best friends in life.

      Howard makes fun of himself. Beth is one of those women that just radiates goodness, a truly kind heart. She won’t say a bad word about anybody. She is not pretentious and was successful in the modeling industry, but was never an A-list model and said as much. Beth absolutely adores Howard and he adores her, even all this time later. She is a huge animal rights advocate, who works tirelessly for the North Shore Animal League. Howard, who never liked cats, now is surrounded by cats she brings home, and he loves them. And he supports her in her work with animal organizations. Over time, they have fostered in their home over 300 cats/kittens. And she says Howard helps out with them. She’s been a great influence on Howard.

      People are drawn to others because of things more than looks, and being very successful is a draw I’m sure for Beth, but more than that. She’s not the golddigger type. Howard is very intelligent. The Howard she knows is incredibly kind, unlike the radio shock jock part, But his friends say the same thing about him.. But because she loves him, she really thinks he is handsome. It’s not an act. She really does.

      • Jayna says:

        Here’s an article about their devotion to the North Shore Animal League and kittens and cats, funding a huge expansion. At the time of this article, they owned six cats, and were fostering seven kittens/cats also.

        Sometimes I need stories like this about animals to offset The Trump Nightmare. And it gives you a different view of Howard by reading this article, surrounded by foster cats, and naming them, and the type of marriage Beth and Howard have. And it talks about how they help rescue other wildlife and safely transport them. Beth isn’t some trophy wife sitting at home and shopping. That’s for sure.

      • Erinn says:

        That’s one couple that I did always think worked. I’m sure the millions are nice – but I do genuinely believe he’s a nice guy separate from the radio persona.

        It’s not like he HAD to find a wife who is interested in wildlife causes, and rescuing cats, ya know? Especially when he didn’t like cats to begin with. He could have just as easily found some Bimbo who was younger ‘hotter’ and dumber, but he seems to genuinely be proud of the wife he has.

      • Tara says:

        That actually warmed my frosty black heart. Thanks Jayna.

      • jwoolman says:

        I think Howard likes Trump personally because he makes a good interview for him on his show. He likes the outrageous. Maybe his wife likes Melania. People of very different temperaments and political views do sometimes get along socially. Besides, Trump’s claimed politics used to be very different. His kids were registered Democrats until his campaign really got going.

        But once while Howard was interviewing Trump, the Trumpster had been bragging about his sex life and asked Howard about his own side adventures. Howard surprised Trump by saying he didn’t do that, he was happily married and faithful to his wife. Trump couldn’t understand that at all.

        So I don’t think they are bff’s, just social acquaintances who might go out together with their wives occasionally but nothing really deep. I also think Trump has been deteriorating over the past few years, so they might not have a lot of recent interactions.

  8. IMO says:

    The problem with Trump is that he thinks he is running a company and not a country. He thinks he is the boss and when you say no to him, he fires or bully you. Dictatorial behavior.

    • Betsy says:

      Did you read today’s New York Times article about what a chaotic, poorly managed nightmare the White House is?

    • AnneC says:

      Except Bannon is the boss and trump the clueless rich guy tweeting in the Oval Office.

  9. IlsaLund says:

    I agree with Stern’s assessment about how the narcissist wants to be loved and adored by the very people who now shun and loathe him—Hollywood. I pray celebrities keep piling it on him and keep after him because it really does get under his skin. Hollywood has more power than they realize over Trump…..they just need to figure out how to harness it to take him down.

    • Firerabbit says:

      I think Hollywood is a lot more conservative than they let on. Things change when you’re in the privacy of the election booth. Besides, it’s still run by old men who have all the same prejudices and vices as the DC old men. They all play the same games for power and money and everyone else still gets to be collateral damage. That said, I agree 45 desperately wants to be in with the cooler kids.

    • cathy says:

      We ALL need to keep piling on. Keep on protesting. Keep getting in his face and reminding him that a lot of people HATE him.

  10. Keaton says:

    Yeah I still maintain Trump wanted to come very very close but lose. And then spend the rest of his remaining days financially capitalizing on how close he was to winning, how he would have done a better job than Hillary and then complaining that he lost due to the *rigged system*.

    RE: His need to be liked/loved.
    So true. It’s probably a big reason why he looooves the evangelicals now – they put aside all their values and supported him in big numbers. The man is completely devoid of an inner core. He’s a dangerous person.

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    • Honey says:

      I also think Bernie didnt want to win the presidency either BUT ran to put the democratic establishment on notice as a last attempt to grab their attention. The US had started skewing toward neoliberalism way prior to Obama. They all but co-signed just about everything that Reagan and Bush signed into law. The triangulation strategies of the Clinton WH and his trying to beat the republican house (lead by Gingrich) at its own game only moved us more rightward and pro-business and pro-finance in his attempts to be a centrist democrat. Then, of course, there was Bush and the wars and lowering taxes on the incredibly wealthy. Finally, there was Obama who, either by force or choice, was too Republican-lite in his approaches IMO. So, based on how I see the world, I think Bernie felt like he just couldn’t take it anymore. Although an Independent, just watching the rightward drift over time of the National Democratic Party and the policies it was creating and backing (here I’m mainly taking the house, the senate, the presidency) was too much for him and he wanted to bring national attention to those things as a last ditch effort. IMO so many Americans had become complacent, jaded, disconnected and not even considered by the democratic party. I’m not talking about “the deplorables.” I’m talking about everybody who isn’t a lobbiest or big donor. If only the democratic establishment had responded differently, perhaps we wouldn’t be subject to the BS make it up as we go/oh shit we have to govern now / damn what do you mean we can no longer blame the black man in the Oval Office anymore farce that confronts us everyday.

      • Where'sMyTiara says:

        I think he also hit on a generational split. Boomers tend more towards neo-liberalism now; but GenX and the Millennials are more far-left. It’s not even the ‘idealism of youth’ (GenX-ers are entering middle age) – it’s that our parents’ generation is holding on to the bulk of the wealth, and the land, and the laws they supported have caused a $3 Trillion dollar student loan debt crisis. GenX is struggling to plan for retirement, Millennials are struggling to a) buy homes and b) start families, many giving up on that dream because the college education they were told that was key to their getting a good job? Has sunk them in debt and the job prospects aren’t there to help them pay that off.

        We have vibrant young people with PhDs who are chronically underemployed, working as baristas because Boomers won’t spend their wealth in taxes to cut the costs of education. They want to go on endless Viking River Cruise vacations instead.

        The lesson the DNC failed to learn, is that they not only failed to engage with and include in their platform the working classes who ended up flocking to trump – once a cornerstone of the Democratic party – they utterly failed to pursue the Gen X and Millennial vote – the Occupy protestors, BLM, activists who have been pushing for change both within and outside the party.

        It was like a going to Thanksgiving dinner, expecting a seat at the table, only to be told “nope, you have to sit at the kiddie table, there’s no room for you here”.

        I think if the DNC is to survive it needs to wake the h-ll up and recognize the power and nous of the younger generation.

  11. SusanneToo says:

    The expression on melania’s face says, “Get your filthy arm off my leg.”

  12. Alleycat says:

    He was a huge Clinton supporter for years. Bill and Hilary were at Donald and Melania’s wedding! He did not expect to win and now we must all suffer.

    • Sharon Lea says:

      So true. I’m sure that’s why he immediately said he would not ‘lock her up’ after he won. He was friends with them, Ivanka is friends with Chelsea etc.

      Howard did a good job of reminding everyone what Donald’s true self is all about, that he loves Hollywood people, wants admiration etc. and why this blog has every right to cover the reactions of the entertainment industry and the public towards him.

      • Kitten says:

        Chococat ♥

      • Sharon Lea says:

        Hi Kitten – fellow Chococat! :)

      • jwoolman says:

        Let’s hope we aren’t going through another surreal election in 2020 if Kanye decides to run…. Two uninformed celebrity narcissists in a row?!? That’s assuming Steve Bannon hasn’t figured out a way to put us all under martial law and suspend elections by then.

    • greenmonster says:

      Exactly! He never wanted to win. I truly believe, he said all the outragous things in the primaries because he wanted press – Trump never thought people would actually buy into this crap. But they did. BIGLY. And so it went on. The more love he received from the right wing of life, the more ridicule he earned from everyone else. In his opinion he couldn’t stop the train and I bet he prayed every single night that the GOP would stop him. It started as a joke for him and now we are so close to doomsday because ONE man couldn’t and can’t step down.

      I absolutely believe Stern’s theory.

      • OriginallyBlue says:

        I absolutely believe this. He has announced his intention to run as a goof before, to get attention. He usually dropped out or no one paid attention to him and he slinked away quietly then made some noise later on to get eyes back on him. I believe he didn’t think he would make it far like the previous times, but the attention got to him and he couldn’t walk away. He didn’t expect to win and is way over his head and has various puppet masters pulling his strings and playing to his ego. He isn’t smart. He’s a con man who got conned and can’t get out of it.

      • greenmonster says:

        Con man who got conned is the perfect way to describe Trump. It would be so funny if it wasn’t so terrifying and dangerous.
        Trump is a terrible person who underestimated the ignorance and hate of voters. It wouldn’t have made any difference if media outlets had gone more after Trump during all of last year. His supporters chose what they wanted to hear and ignored everything else, even if it was out there for everyone to see.

    • cathy says:

      Something tells me that relationship is done!!!

  13. Lena says:

    I think he wanted to win but not have to actually govern. He might have been happy if he had won the popular vote but lost the electoral one, then he could have told everyone he should have won, will of the people and everything and hold rallies and stuff but not have to actually be president.
    I think he was genuinely pro-abortion, but not pro choice. Like, if he wants a woman to get an abortion she has to. It’s not about morals, just about his own interests every single time with him.

    • lucy2 says:

      I think that’s it exactly – he wanted to win the popularity contest, but not have to do the actual job. And he could have spent the 4 years of Clinton picking at anything that went wrong and claiming he could have fixed it all. He’s all talk.
      Say what you will about Hillary Clinton, she WANTED that job, and would have worked her ass off for the country.

      • Vernie says:

        This times a million. It’s bitterly ironic that she wanted the job so desperately, and he so desperately didn’t/doesn’t want the job, and now our democracy is unraveling by the day.

  14. Beckysuz says:

    I had a lengthy and very upsetting argument with both my parents yesterday about trump. My mother God bless her, actually believes this pack of lies that trump had a conversion and is now a conservative republican. I very nearly had a rage/frustration stroke trying to reason with her. He is absolutely not pro-life, he’s just playing to his base like Howard said. The only life DT cares about is his own. And frankly I doubt he was actually even pro-choice before. He was pro-choice in the sense that he wanted his mistresses to have abortions when he told them to, not because he gives a flying fiddle about women’s health or reproductive choice

    • Liz says:

      Ugh! I’ve been going through the same with my mother. Can’t believe she ever did and still does believe these ridiculous lies. Both my parents are on Medicare and ssi. They don’t want to believe it could be taken away. Not in America!!!! We’ve always been pro-choice and my sister goes for pap smears and mammograms at Planned Parenthood, but mom doesn’t believe that will be taken away by Donald and the Republicans. It worries me that my mom still can’t see what a monster she voted for.

      • Beckysuz says:

        Yup! They were both hollering about entitlements, Obama and bootstraps. I reminded them that my brother(who has very severe Crohn’s disease and lives with them) benefits from that system too. He has Medicare and gets disability. They just don’t get it. Total disconnect. And it’s causing a lot of arguments in my family right now. My sister and I see voting for trump as an abandonment of the morals they taught us. They think trump will uphold their Christian values, I just kept yelling that he has no values and is an unhinged lunatic. Not to mention my husband is in the navy. So I have a personal investment in the president not starting shit with other countries and sending my husband to die for his childish tantrums

      • Liz says:

        My parents say Trump will take care of all Americans. I have uncontrollable epilepsy and have Medicaid and get disability. I’m still shocked my parents didn’t think of any of these things while falling for lies. Everyday there’s a new stupid Trump mistake on the news and I ask my parents if they’re happy with their vote. They say he makes the same mistakes as every new president. My sister and I will never forgive or forget this careless choise my parents made

      • lucy2 says:

        I’m so sorry to hear of everyone having problems within their family. I can’t imagine how frustrating that must be. All I can say is take comfort in the fact that there a LOT of people on your side, and this is a place filled with them.
        Unfortunately so many of those people aren’t going to wake up and realize they’ve been conned until they do start losing benefits and such.

      • SusanneToo says:

        None of them see themselves as entitlement recipients. To them the takers are Reagan’s “welfare queen driving a cadillac.” They seem unable to think and analyze. All the Republicans have to do is set up the them vs us, the takers vs the givers straw man and they eat it up because they never see themselves as takers, no matter if they’re on Medicare, Medicaid, Disability, etc.

      • isabelle says:

        Maybe they will only believe if it is took away. Sounds awful but this whole base which has chosen to ignore the truth about him and believe the propaganda they have spewed will only learn their lesson if their are repercussions of their choices.

      • AnneC says:

        Curious if people like your parents will care that he is going to take away Wall Street regulations that were put in place after the recession? He’s doing it for his rich country club voters, certainly not for people who thought he was a populist. I think the only thing that will start turning hard core Repub types is if congress starts fiddling with social security/Medicare (which Ryan can’t wait to do). And evangelicals voting for this grubby sexual assualter is mind boggling.

      • cathy says:

        The sad thing is….. the only way people are going to understand that it was a pack of lies is when everyone gets hurt. When people lose their healthcare, women lose access to healthcare (no funding for planned parent hood), Roe V Wade is jeopardized, tax cuts for millionaires and a larger deficit, the damage is done and it will take years to recover from this.

    • Tate says:

      Sorry guys, that all sounds very painful. I hope you can mend the relationships over time. It sucks that this person is even coming in between family and friends.

      • Andrea says:

        I didn’t talk to my parents for over a week after the election. My dad is Italian, his grandparents were immigrants, but given my father is wealthy and retired, he was looking out for his interests taxwise why he voted for Trump. He also LOATHED Hillary and the Clintons in general. Given my father is a new yorker, he hated how Hillary moved into his state. If Trump had been from anywhere in the south, my father would have never voted for him. He only votes for northerners or westerners(which is why he hated the Clintons because they were from Arkansas). He feels they are the only ones who get his needs. How he thinks Trump gets him is beyond me. He has been very quiet lately because he knows this has turned into something very, very bad. He spent years complaining about George W and at 74, I hope he will be alive long enough to spend years eventually complaining about Trump. But for now, he is quiet.

  15. QueenB says:

    “Stern said he doesn’t believe Trump has had a change of heart on issues like abortion, but is instead playing to his base.”

    I thought about that for a moment and i dont know whats worse. Having such an ideology or not having it but still using it no matter who you hurt.

    • OriginallyBlue says:

      Me neither. He’s not the first one to do it and it’s so disgusting. They are willing to lie, spew hatred, bigotry and everything else for money. It’s all about greed for people like him.

  16. Neelyo says:

    The scariest thing is that the more unpopular he becomes the more likely he is to lash out in every direction.

    I keep saying ‘the scariest part’ but there’s so many of them I can barely keep up.

    • cindy says:

      Yes! That’s what is terrifying (amongst a hundred other things). I am afraid of what the building contempt, especially among Hollywood, is doing to his fragile ego. And it’s going to get so much worse, the SNL skits, comedians, actors speaking out….I think hurting his ego causes him to act out and all I can think of is this man has the nuclear codes. It is 6:30 am and too early for this, this trump reality. Welcome to America.

  17. Talie says:

    The word at the time was that he wanted to drop out after Iowa and was asking people whom he should endorse. We all know what happened, but Stern is probably right that this was a publicity stunt gone awry.

    I hope Hillary goes on his show when she promotes her book this fall.

    • GMonkey says:

      I think that’s why he kept on about how many rallies he was doing, and how hard he was “working” because he was exhausted and didn’t want to do it any more.

  18. Luca76 says:

    Can you imagine if this whole sick sad debacle is because he wanted a bigger paycheck from NBC? I just f-ing can’t.
    He’s true NPD personality which means he probably has no inner moral compass or values.

    • HK9 says:

      I’ve heard this theory before and I just thought no-he can’t be that stupid. But now that Frederick Douglas is “alive” and there are “massacres” happening that obviously didn’t exist I realize that there are no limits to this. The moral compass that’s supposed to check this is gone and I don’t know if there’s a solution but we need one and fast.

      • Cran says:


        Frederick Douglass has chosen Harriet Tubman as his running mate for 2020. Currently looking for staffers. I’ve nominated Shirley Chisholm for campaign manager and William Alexander Leidesdorff, Jr. to handle finances.

        Caveat: only the dead need apply.

    • Greentea says:

      It’s probably true. Mike Moore tried to tell everyone way before the election last year and he claimed to have solid insider information. Trump likely ran only because he wanted more negotiating power with NBC.

  19. Liz says:

    Stern is correct! No way did Donald enter this race thinking people were dumb enough to vote for a reality show, real estate con man

  20. Kitten says:

    Nope. Not boycotting Stern or Brady or McConaughy or Stewart or any other celebrity/athlete who doesn’t lash out at Trump. Why? Because that affects absolutely nothing. Just like deleting/cutting off Trump-supporting friends and family I’ve had for my entire life changes absolutely nothing.
    (although I’m not in any rush to spend time with those people at the moment)

    Focusing my energy on taking action against the administration, not the Trumpsters: protests, marching, calling my reps and signing petitions, even though I know they don’t do much.

    Also, I will never forget how hard Stern went for Kerry in 2004. He caught SO much shit from his listeners for that and actually lost listeners because of it.

    • Shambles says:

      YES. All of this. It’s pointless to lash out at Trump supporters. It does nothing but fuel their insane alternate reality in which they are the great martyrs of the nation. The only thing to do is work against the administration itself.

      • Ursaline says:

        I actually read yesterday that Nordstroms is discontinuing carrying Ivanka Trump’s line. The GrabYourWallet campaign is at least doing that. The Uber CEO quit the Trump advisory board because his business was feeling the effects too.

        If all Don the Con cares about is applause and money, then losing money and seeing the Hollywood hate can’t be good for his mental being. How is he going to last without a breakdown? He won’t even give up his unsecured Android phone because he doesn’t want to fully commit to the job. That’s why he wouldn’t give up his companies and that’s why his wife won’t move out of their penthouse.

        His son in law was already into politics and won’t mind the move to DC but I see this as being a really detrimental experience for all of them. Notice that Ivanka hasn’t really been out either. Where are her pap walks? The only thing that I’ve seen of her in the last two weeks was showing up for parties and the dinner party that she hosted to talk about ‘women in the workplace’.

        That creepy Leninist (his words) is using the power to his own disgusting advantage. He’s not changing either. Bannon just has a bigger audience now and is using it to cause as much damage as possible.

        I miss the Obamas. They weren’t perfect but they really tried their asses off to do a respectable job that people could appreciate. This just feels like a bad dream that won’t go away.

        And they won/t even legalize pot in my state so that we can at least not spend all of our time stressed out. Selfish assholes.

      • Kitten says:

        Exactly, Shamby. Plus there are so many damn distractions happening on a daily basis with this administration. I want to have a clear focus on disrupting everything they are trying to achieve in the only was that I can.

        I’m so distrusting of them that my first thought about the “Bowling Green Terrorists” story was that it was intentional BS to either confuse the public or distract us from something more sinister and impactful that the GOP is doing. We have to be sharp right now, we can’t afford to be distracted by the opinions of celebrities or athletes.

      • jwoolman says:

        Stern doesn’t sound like a Trump supporter to me. He was pretty honest about Trump’s avowed politics being the complete opposite of what the Trumpster is claiming today when they first met and that he thinks they haven’t actually changed at all. What about that statement would make anyone think he voted for Trump? He just basically told everyone that Trump
        is a two-faced opportunist who never really wanted to be President, just wanted more money from NBC for his show, and was lying about his beliefs to get votes from the gullible.

    • kri says:

      Kitten-I do see your point about not lashing out-but we see here everyday the rich, white privileged male construct, and how strong it really is. They always have each other’s backs and their “brotherhood” feeling is palpable. If they are trying to normalize him, aren’t they part of the problem? I mean, HS saying it was all for ratings and adoration and a bigger contract and how much he likes Trump personally (that right there!!) makes it fit into the storyline that Trump was a dumb clown who never thought it would go this far. But he is the one who put Bannon in, and is now making all of these decisions that have us all so shook. He shows no signs of stopping, either. So anyone who tries to normalize him…aren’t they guilty as well?

      • Kitten says:

        I’m not saying that I appreciate or respect their normalization of Trump and I agree that it certainly doesn’t help but I’m running on empty these days, Kri. I’m not sleeping, I have chronic stomach aches and I’m at the point where I’m choosing my battles carefully: I’m lining up marches and BLM meetings, I’m donating to the ACLU and calling my reps. That’s how I choose to channel what little energy I have.

        In terms of fighting with Trumpsters, I don’t even do that anymore. I don’t try to convince them, I just tell them that I’d like to talk to them after Trump is impeached and get their thoughts on the situation. My last response to a Trump-supporter was something along the lines of “At this point, war is an inevitability. Let’s hope the draft isn’t enacted, unless you’re ok with fighting for The Exxon Crew’s oil interests in Iran. When all our civil liberties are eroded and all that we’re left with are the remnants of what was once a beautiful democracy, I want to come back here and speak with you because I’ll be curious about your thoughts at that point.”

        I just got way off-topic sorry. I just meant to say that I’m done battling with these people because they do not share the same reality that we do: they live in an Alt-World.

      • Ursaline says:

        What really going to bake your noodle is that I have to take my 12 year old son to an event tonight to receive an art award for something he did in middle school. Sponsored by Exxon. I can’t even boycott because it’s my own kid being recognized.

        But at least I can take comfort that my brother is part of a group of lawyers volunteering to take rotating shifts at the airports helping families affected by the ban. It’s nice to see the people fighting for decency.

      • Kitten says:

        Wait what???
        Ok first of all, congratulations to your child but what in hell is with an oil company sponsoring an awards ceremony for children???
        That’s insane!

    • Merritt says:

      I disagree. For some of us cutting out anyone who supports Trump is removing someone toxic from our lives. As a WOC, I refuse to maintain a relationship with someone who is a bigot.

      • Kitten says:

        I understand completely and of course, I was speaking personally. I certainly don’t judge of begrudge anyone that chooses to cut off a Trump-supporter. I’m simply saying that I have a finite amount of energy these days and I’m harnessing the little that I have to fight in a productive, effective way.
        Just my way of feeling empowered in an almost powerless situation.

      • kri says:

        @Merritt-I’m with you. @Kitten-I do understand how energy-draining this can be and of course, you must take care of yourself and use your power to keep going in this long battle. Try not to get too run-down-what we do without your inspiring posts??! Stay strong.

      • Ursaline says:

        I agree with you but it’s really hard with redneck Trumpet neighbors on one side of me and my deluded in laws living on the other side. I hate leaving the house these days.

      • Kitten says:

        Thanks, Kri, my friend!

      • Liz Simpson says:

        My son and his family( we’re British in Canada, he’s married to an American and now is a citizen) all voted strong Republican, her folks are avid Trump supporters, and it could cause a rift but though cooled off,we have not gone that far.I blocked them on twitter so they would not see my dislike…or hatred of Trump and crew, so they’ve now blocked me which I’m glad of as he retweets Trump! He went to college in the States at 20 and his whole personality no longer gels with all our beliefs and his upbringing! How he,with four girls, can go to church on Sundays and call himself a Christian can turn a blind eye to Trump’s disgusting character is beyond me! Im wondering if he’s clueing in because they’ve all gone very quiet recently! Eighteen months ago my DUL called Trump a crazy man, yet they voted for him’ sad but even intelligent people got suckered in!

    • Keaton says:

      RE: Trumpsters
      Confession time: I come from a very conservative family but I’m proud to say only one of them voted for Trump. Unfortunately I really love that person – my Dad. There is no way I’m going to cut him out of my life. I love him to death and he truly is the kindest human being I’ve ever known. I know. I know. Hard to imagine right? But he is. He’s not just nice to people, he puts his kindness into action. My entire childhood he opened our home to people in need – homeless people, unwed moms, falling down alcoholics, etc. He finds people jobs, finds them cars to drive, etc He’s a good man. It seems incongruous with his vote but it’s true. We have had the worst fights this election year. Terrible ugly fights. He has admitted to me that he thinks Trump is an idiot and a jackass but when it came to Hillary vs Trump he picked Trump.

      I talked to my mom about it and she pointed out “He never watched any of the debates, he only watches FOX and he spent his entire life identifying as a Republican” He is super worried about the economy and for some bizarre reason blames the Obama Administration for our economic woes. I tried to explain to him how much the 2008 financial meltdown effed with our economic system as a WHOLE and the fact Reagan era tax cuts ain’t gonna bring that economy back but he won’t listen. I told him Hilary actually had concrete plans for small business and he didn’t listen to that either. He HATES her and thinks she’s a horrible corrupt liar that belongs in prison. (While I don’t think he ever liked Hillary, I don’t think he despised her with such venom until this election year. I really think the rightwing hatchet job on Hillary worked on alot of people.) Omg you would not believe the fights we’ve had He’s also a social conservative that was worried about the Supreme Court. That describes alot of my family though and yet he’s the only one that voted for Trump.

      I think he’s just a tired, very hard working man that’s been brainwashed by the rightwing media. I’m certain that he knows in his heart Trump is a terrible man but is hoping that turns out to not be true. I won’t cut him out of my life though. I just hope he realizes what a terrible mistake he made before the next election. :(

      • Christin says:

        Your Dad is an example of how effective repeated messages can be. Not only a news channel, but social media kept repeating messages that apparently overrode the obvious concerns that were in front of our faces.

        The ‘crooked’ nickname he gave HRC was just icing on an alternative-fact cake that was baking for years.

      • Keaton says:

        It’s so true @Christin It’s like Goebbels said “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.” I think living in a social & media information bubble played a huge role in my Dad’s vote too. My mom & some of the other conservatives in my family that *didn’t* vote for Trump watched all the debates, got their news from multiple sources, don’t really listen to right wing talk radio, etc. But yeah hearing the same repeated messages “Hillary is a crook. Hillary lies constantly, etc” impacted him. I was very shocked by his venom because while he didn’t vote for HRC in 2008 I remember him having a grudging respect for her perseverance and tenacity back then.

      • Kitten says:

        I absolutely believe there is a brainwashing component at play.

      • AnneC says:

        Fox News has done more damage to this country in the last 20 years than anything else I can think of. Murdoch is an evil creep and I did read that his sons are more liberal, but I’m sure they will continue their cash cow as long as it gets old people eyeballs.

      • cathy says:

        The worst part about people who watch Fox news – they believe that ALL of the other news organizations are LYING. Fox is the ONLY station exposing the truth.

    • Liz says:

      I also wouldn’t boycott an athlete or a celebrity for being a Trump supporter. When I’m with my parents or a close friend, I talk about my opinions of politics. If someone I didn’t know well didn’t agree, I’d let it go and change the subject. I wouldn’t want to lose friends over an orange jackass that some refuse to see is such a monster

    • Tara says:

      Sage advice Kitten.

    • GMonkey says:

      Exactly. In order to gain seats in the midterms, we need to convince some Trump voters to cross over. We won’t do that by insulting them. I don’t kiss their butts, but I am very respectful when debating.

      When the state of Michigan recently considered a law that seriously reduced the pensions and insurance coverage of state and municipal employees when they retire, I had a lot of police and firefighter friends freaking out and asked me and others to spread the word and help to get them to reconsider the vote, etc. A lot of them vote Republican. I was really nice about it and shared articles, and discussed it online, etc. But I did gently remind them that voting for politicians who are diametrically opposed to unions and workers rights might result in these sort of outcomes. I also asked if they would be as supportive of me, in the face of my rights being taken away, as in right to access birth control, right to abortion, etc. Most said no. I said, that’s fine. I’ll always fight and vote in favor of your rights, even if you continue to vote against mine.

    • Sayrah says:

      Yep, I love stern and I’m sick of people on both sides demanding boycotts.

  21. Lucy says:

    He is absolutely right. I know I probably shouldn’t, but I do appreciate the fact that he wasn’t all “we should give him a chance”.

  22. MellyMel says:

    “because, he wants to be liked, he wants to be loved. He wants people to cheer for him. I don’t think it’s going to be a healthy experience. And by the way, he’s now on this anti-Hollywood kick. He loves Hollywood. First of all, he loves the press. He lives for it. He loves people in Hollywood. He only wants hobnob with them.”

    THIS is what I’ve been saying for months! He can’t stand that everyone doesn’t love him and doesn’t support him & “his ideas”. He will go on and on about ratings and the size of a crowd cause he can’t stand to be seen as second-best! He wants to be #1, he wants the crown and the glory and he’s taking us all down to get it.

  23. Erandyn says:

    If he really doesn’t want to be president, then why has he already filed paperwork and started raising campaign money to run for a 2nd term in 2020?

    • sarri says:

      Russia will make sure that he’ll win 2020.

    • Merritt says:

      What else is he going to do? I have serious doubts that he will go a full term. He will either get pushed out if he pisses off Ryan or his health will further deteriorate.

    • Luca76 says:

      It prevents any agency that recieves federal funds from criticizing him including Planned Parenthood but many, many others.

    • jwoolman says:

      Just to get the donations. Those were a personal windfall for him before, I’m sure he’ll figure out ways to quietly transfer the new donations into his pocket also. For starters, he can again use his properties as places for meetings etc. for the 2020 campaign.

  24. Merritt says:

    There is a lot of truth to what Stern says. Donald wants to be adored and cheered for. That is what he likes. He just wants to go to rallies, says stupid things, and have people cheering him. But his ego made him run for office and now we are all suffering under his presidency.

    • Neelyo says:

      It’s why he went on that ridiculous ‘Thank You’ tour. He probably wants to do a rally every day and his people have to stop him.

  25. Rapunzel says:

    If DT had been smart, he’d have used Hillary’s popular vote win as an excuse to step aside. But I honestly don’t think he knows what’s best for himself.

    He is absolutely not prepared to the civil, public servant that the Presidency requires. He thinks he’s become CEO of the country.

  26. robyn says:

    Some of what Stern said might have been useful to hear BEFORE his corrupt hapless p*ssygrabbing friend Donald was elected. I do believe Trump loves the glory and power but hates the work. Hillary is possibly in the position he wanted to be in and perhaps Russia had a hand in manipulating Donald’s “goal” to be president even more than he chooses to admit to himself. But once he sensed he could really win, I guess being the most powerful man in the world was too much of an elixir for his enormous ego.

    • Greentea says:

      Mike Moore tried to warn everyone way before November last year. He wrote about this in Huff Post pretty early on, saying that Trump was running only to get a pay raise out of NBC.

    • jwoolman says:

      None of what Stern says is news to me. Lots of people were saying the same thing. Michael Moore was in a position to overhear talk from insiders about the real motivation for the campaign and reported it. But really, it was obvious.

      Stern didn’t say it earlier because nobody asked him. I’m sure he didn’t vote for Trump, but since he knows Trump personally under friendly circumstances, he has a more laid-back attitude about his atrociousness as a political candidate, probably seeing it all as a big act for publicity and irrelevant. Doubt that he realized Trump would actually win. Trump himself didn’t realize that! So it must have seemed like a circus act, not a viable threat to the Republic.

      Besides, Stern is pretty busy taking care of a whole bunch of kittens and cats. The story linked above said that at the time, they had seven fosters and seven permanent residents, and both pet humans are doing the work themselves rather than outsourcing to cat nannies. I felt overwhelmed with five cats in the house for a a while (through no fault of my own, neighbor died to give us two more and a stray adopted us). I felt like I was doing nothing but cleaning out litter boxes and filling food and water bowls and refereeing fights between the youngest two.

  27. Jayna says:

    He can’t go a week quietly governing and working. He needs some big announcement or tweet every day.

    His presidency is a fiasco. Whatever good he might do in bringing jobs back,if he even does, will be lost in the muck of every other mess he is creating on a daily basis .

    • Christin says:

      A truly competent CEO realizes you can either do a lot of things half-baked, or ID and focus on a vital view priorities and do them well.

      He’s clearly going for quantity over quality. I think he’s naively thinking this will impress everyone (stamina!). Oh, to be a fly on the wall behind the scenes. It has to be a madhouse.

  28. Capepopsie says:

    So, the bottom line is he became president
    by accident?! Scary. . . .

  29. Pandy says:

    Yeah, Howard Stern would know ALL about pandering to your base, despite your personal beliefs.

    • Greentea says:

      But at least he’s not making decisions every day that affect the lives of both US citizens and people around the world.

    • jwoolman says:

      Stern has never made it a secret that his real self is quite different from the character he plays to make money. Stephen Colbert did the same thing for years.

      Stern is actually an excellent interviewer and gets people to reveal their true selves. A lot of what we know about Trump’s sleaziness was recorded during Stern’s interviews, and Stern has apparently made no move to block free distribution of such interviews and transcripts. I’ve also noticed that when asked a direct question, Stern typically drops the character and answers as himself. When Trump tried to get him to talk about affairs, he simply answered that he doesn’t do that, he is married and faithful to his wife (blowing Trump’s little mind).

      The problem is people who shouldn’t be acting a part at all, either in ordinary life or in politics. That’s real deception with serious consequences.

  30. Felice. says:

    Problem is that Drumpf is now surrounded by people with an agenda so even if he truly did not believe all the spew he was spouting, it’s moot now.

  31. IlsaLund says:

    And now Trump’s pick for Treasury Secretary is involved in a Hollywood lawsuit:

    Trump Treasury Nominee Stephen Mnuchin Dragged Back Into Fraud Lawsuit Over Relativity
    Hollywood Reporter

  32. Kimmie says:

    Trump MUST BELIEVE that there is no greater power than himself..that’s why I thought the prayer breakfast was such a joke. As a lifelong Manhattan dweller, I can tell you Stern made hay of Trumps antics for the last 30 years. In NYC, he’s a tacky figure of fun. Having won, he will never concede & fight impeachment. We have to bankrupt him (again) or old age will take him out!

  33. Joevil says:

    And tomorrow Trump will still be president. Get used to it.

    • Kitten says:

      Likewise, get used to the protests and the outrage or it will be a very long four years for you, honey.

  34. Chell says:

    I also think that Trump never wanted to be president. In my personally opinion, what he wanted was to lose the Electoral College and win the popular vote. That way he could retire up to the top of his gold plated tower, have extra advertising power for his next reality TV venture, and crow about how the election was fixed until the day he died. He got the opposite. Not only is it scaring the crap out of him (as seen in the pictures when he first visited the White House) but it’s also been a huge blow to his gigantic ego that Hillary got more votes than him. And to top off the turd-sunday he’s allowing basically Satan be the power behind the throne because he has absolutely no interest in actually being president. But like I said, just my opinion.

  35. Stacy Reardon says:

    He is like every other Republican politician: pandering to the lowest hanging fruit to get the votes needed to stay in office and continue serving the billionaire overlords. I’ve always thought that the Republican party should have about 1,000 members, because there are about 1,000 billionaires in the US. But, in a (technically) functional democracy, that’s not a large enough voting pool. So, they pay Republican politicians to get votes from the easiest people to win over (the poorly educated, the racists/misogynists/xenophobes, etc) to keep themselves in office. Then they can continue to pass legislation that makes the billionaires more billionairy. I don’t think a single Republican politician gives two shits about actual policies. If they did, why would so many of them espouse rigid “Christian” values and then get caught soliciting minors in bathrooms? Donald Trump is just the most egregious example of this.

  36. Kym says:

    Thanks a lot, NBC.

  37. Beckymae says:

    I know someone who knows Trump and she echoes exactly what Stern says about the NBC deal. It’s well known that he is more Democrat in his own politics but that he’s playing to his audience, just makes him scarier IMO….

    • jwoolman says:

      Trump is scary because he’s a malignant narcissist. What Stern observed as his great need to be loved is the common pattern for malignant NPD. Their own ability to love is extremely limited but they want to be unconditionally adored. He was a perfect target for Bannon, who just keeps pumping him up with flattery and can get him to sign anything he wants. Trump isn’t interested in the details or considering undesirable consequences. He wants to look as though he is fulfilling his bizarre campaign promises because then at least his small core of supporters will adore him.

      Trump is extremely bothered by the protests and any negative thing said about him by private citizens or public citizens or anyone in the media. He has always liked to watch tv particularly when he himself is mentioned. He even will turn off the sound just to watch himself without the distraction of other people’s voices. But as President, tv (even just watching Fox News and Breitbart) will show him a lot of criticism and dislike of his narcissistic self and put him into rages. His penchant for calling world leaders is enraging him also, since they don’t just soothe and flatter him but actually have to say “no” sometimes. Then he reacts like a cranky toddler denied a cookie.

      The biggest danger to the Republic is actually the white supremacist Nazi Steve Bannon, but Trump is his perfect tool. Trump has the power to do what Bannon wants and the Republicans in Congress have mostly been going along with the lunatic agenda. Putin is another puppet master in the mix, but Bannon (self-described as a Leninist who wants to destroy the state) is backing him up.

  38. Alexis says:

    it was all planned out beforehand (8 years for a Democrat president, 8 years for a republican president) and has been that way for years. He knew he stood a chance in 2016

  39. leidub311 says:

    I feel like the last picture should be a cover on a book called, “Money and the Women it Can Buy You!” Or something along those lines. Lol.

  40. Jayna says:

    HuffingtonPost had Howard’s full audio discussion on Trump, when responding to that caller. I agree with Howard when Howard talked about how it was his dream to have Hillary for the president and believing she would do a great job. It was my dream, also, Howard. But Howard needs to worry more about this country’s mental health and state because Donald is president, than the presidency’s effect on Donald’s mental state. I know he was just making an observation. But I can’t believe two weeks in, with what’s happened, how I’m going to survive four years.

    I liked this post in the “comments” section, and I agree with it.

    “The ironic thing about Trump wanting to be liked, is the he is engaging in the most destructive policies that will guarantee that in four years, nobody is going to like him. When he leaves office, he’s going to be an even bigger pariah than George W Bush. Unfortunately, I don’t think he will even be alive in four years. But I hope he does live to see America finally reject him and I hope that rejection hurts bad…real bad!”

    Another interesting post from the “comments” section. But I believe his narcissism is in full bloom, and it’s scary. It’s even more than needing adulation. He has a God-complex going on. How dare we not see he has all the answers and not giving him a standing ovation every day.

    “A lot of us saw the side of Donald that seemed to need the love, and the cheering early on…It became even more apparent as time went on……The rhetoric got more heated and the supporters got more frantic and Donald was swept off his feet….So much so that even after he won he couldn’t cut himself loose from all those cheering, adoring faces….Howard believed he actually wanted to do good things for the country and that may be true but he’s in too deep now and he can’t risk losing the love….So, we the people, and our democratic system of government are in jeopardy all because a grown man with unbelievably thin skin and an enormous ego need’s love….He should have bought a dog.”

  41. nana says:

    Howard is right… did you people see his face when he won?? that was not the face of a man that wanted to win

    • Greentea says:

      Mike Moore has written about this and he said he had insider knowledge, being a media guy, that Trump did it because he wanted to negotiate pay raise – by showing NBC how much people would love him as a potential POTUS. He succeed with the exact same strategy in 2008, but this time NBC told him to take a hike. I think it’s pretty much an established thing at this stage.

  42. Sansa says:

    this is more like good reporting vs gossip and we love it. HS called this . The people posting above should really not argue with their families they won’t win and Trump should not be dividing families. He isn’t worth it. I see Democrats finally stepping up in Washington and putting their feet down. If people Democrats can get it together we are not doomed will survive and throw Trump out. But please please I can’t stand conservative politics but don’t talk politics with your family if your divided.

  43. AnotherDirtyMartini says:

    Life is too bizarre these days. It’s surreal. In a bad way.

    Trump is very malleable. And you’re right. He wants to be liked, loved. Whomever is nice to Trump receives nice treatment back. What the Dems need to do is have a few of them cozy up to Donald & earn his trust. Get him away from Bannon & teach Trump how he can earn the respect & love of the American people. That’s a super TALL order, so they need to have a backup plan to get all of the deplorables out of the Presidency.