Kellyanne Conway was one of the first speakers at the annual CPAC conference this week. CPAC is the Conservative Political Action Conference, and in years past, CPAC has become… more mainstream. I don’t mean that CPAC was once far-right and now they’re veering towards the middle. I mean that CPAC has always been far-right and now the far-far-right is the new normal in America. It’s disturbing. Anyway, Kellyanne Conway did a Q&A session and she basically talked in circles about feminism and female candidates and the Women’s March. Previously, Conway has said that she rejects labels… while simultaneously describing herself as “postfeminist” and saying her favorite label is “mommy.” So here are some highlights from what Conway had to say at CPAC (warning: all of these quotes are awful).
She wasn’t raised with the word “feminist”: “I was raised to be a very strong and independent woman without anyone ever saying the word ‘feminist’ or having a political conversation. We were taught to be free-thinking and independent.”
Whether she considers herself a feminist: “It’s difficult for me to call myself a feminist in the classic sense because it seems to be very anti-male, and it certainly is very pro-abortion, and I’m neither anti-male or pro-abortion,… So, there’s an individual feminism, if you will, that you make your own choices I look at myself as a product of my choices, not a victim of my circumstances, and that’s really to me what conservative feminism is all about.”
Trump is good for women: “I believe that Donald Trump is not someone who is fully understood for how compassionate and what a good boss he is to women.”
On the Women’s Marches: “It turns out there are a lot of women who just have a problem with women in power. You know, this whole sisterhood, this whole ‘let’s go march for women’s rights,’ and just constantly talking about what women look like or what they wear or making fun of their choices or presuming that they’re not as powerful as the men around. This presumptive negativity about women in power is very unfortunate.”
She was raised to be self-reliant, free-thinking and to make her own choices… but to never say the word “feminist” or have a political conversation. She equates feminism with being anti-male and pro-choice – or as she says “pro-abortion” because I f–king hate these people – and then uses the “choice” language to describe her choice of embracing conservative feminism? I have literally no clue what she’s talking about. Some say Conway is trying to have it both ways – she’s trying to appeal to feminists while not alienating the rabid anti-feminist men who surround her in the Republican party. If someone can explain what she was TRYING to say with the Women’s Marches thing, I would be grateful. Like, I’m sure I’m supposed to be mad, but mostly I’m just confused. Conway is starting to talk like a Palin-esque malfunctioning fembot.
.@KellyannePolls: "It turns out that a lot of women just have a problem with women in power." #CPAC #CPAC2017 pic.twitter.com/1Io1lRuevG
— CSPAN (@cspan) February 23, 2017
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Just shut up you awful woman!
It makes my blood boil when women complain about the ‘sisterhood’ when they don’t unequivocally support anything you do or say. It’s called free speech and we don’t have to hate you to disagree with you.
She’s a fascist like the others so not surprised about the lack of ‘sisterhood’ on her part.
You could be right about the fembot – that would explain so much! She might not be real at all – if she is, indeed, a robot, that would explain the “alternative facts” (= two contradictory words scrambled together by robot brain because the situation wasn’t foreseen in the original programming) as well as her melted face!
Definitely Satan’s Fembot. Is she going to go away now, I hope?
Satan’s Fembot is the perfect description for Kellyanne Conway. I love it. That’s her new name.
Stealing ‘Satan’s Fembot’…every bit as apropos as Lucifer’s Homegirl (KrisJenner)
😂😂
face for radio as they say
No, don’t do that. That should be off the table because it’s reducing women to their physical attractiveness. We’re better than that.
@Cat’sMeow: An unattractive exterior can be seen as beautiful when the soul is pure. A beauty can quickly lose their charm, when the inside is full of hate. While she is no beauty, she is full of shit actually for a lack of a better word. In her case, I will go further than @JustBitchy and say the radio is too kind for this she-devil. I think Sarah Palin secretly WTF’s whenever Ms. Conway opens her pie hole. She is NOT a good person, is proving us all right about trump’s choices and is an embarrassment to woman and men for that fact everywhere.
@Cat’s Meow I find that I’m really not better than that when it comes to her though. Conway absolutely looks like a robot whose face is melting off and it’s all made worse by the fact that she, like Kaiser pointed out, acts like one too. Or a demon where the human shell can’t contain all the evil inside anymore and slowly starts to disintegrate.
I’m totally cool with criticizing interior beauty or lack thereof.
I agree that we shouldn’t go there, but her soul is pure ugly.
I’m convinced she’s a closet wino or on crack. To be a feminist is to be pro-abortion? First of all who the hell says pro abortion, is not the term pro choice, which doesn’t equate to being in favor of abortion, but to allow a woman to make her own decisions in regard to her body and health. FTS, she is literally a cancerous piece of alternative facts that needs treatment or silencing post haste.
I kind of picture her as a gin person. I suspect a carton of cigarettes and a gimlet is how she unwinds… every hour. She just looks like a crazy person that drinks gin. Anyway, could she be any more repulsive? Anti-men? What? Everyone who voted for Drumpf had a problem with women in power.
meanwhile Carry On Con-all-the-way works for a president whose behavior and deeds seem to reflect an Anti-everything even when he says he’s pro-something.
Very true. Also, I always wonder why so many people think it’s more offensive to insult someone’s appearance as opposed to someone’s character. I would be far more hurt if my integrity was insulted. Not to mention, she eagerly works for a “man” whose main comeback is to insult someone’s looks. You play in the pig pen, you look like a pig.
“It turns out that a lot of women just have a problem with women in power”
No Kellyanne you dips***, intelligent women in power, like Hillary and Elizabeth Warren.
And FFS it’s pro-choice; no women chooses to get pregnant and get an abortion.
What she says about Donald Trump being good for women is hilarious, though: we should all be grateful that he’s “compassionate” and “a good boss” for us ladies.
1. No.
2. That’s setting the bar pretty low, right?
3. How about talking about EQUALITY instead of men having “compassion” and being “a good boss”?
4. No. Just no. Go away.
So,let’s see, Easy D isn’t anti-Semetic because he has a Jewish daughter, he isn’t racist because he is friends with Ben Carson, and he isn’t a misgyonist because he is a good boss to Conway.
His personal relationships are not policy agendas. He may be the best boss in the world, but if he doesn’t act on things like pay equity, paid maternity leave, childcare subsidies, etc. then he isn’t good for women and families.
Exactly. And he’s not the best boss in the world.
Oh Kalyanne are you saying that trump and co. are really women? When you look at trump in a certain light he totally looks like his aging mother with her bouffant hair.
Please please please, Kaiser, may we have mama and son side by side photos? The hair is straight-up muppet.
If she is a fembot, she has an extra go to10 line.
No, Kellyanne. No it’s not.
Next.
“It turns out there are a lot of women who just have a problem with women in power.” – what does she mean with that? What has this to do with the Women’s Marches?
She’s trying to engage with women, but just contradicted herself: if HRC had won, would there have been women’s marches in the 1st place? No
Exactly, a crap ton of women wanted a woman sitting in the oval office!
BTW, the GOP is working overtime to demonize Warren.
This is the lesson to all the women who say they would have voted for a woman like Warren but not HRC. Many years ago, HRC wasn’t too different from Warren, remember that. It took decades of maligning and demonizing Clinton to get the country to think that she was evil and dangerous.
Warren in the GOP’s new boogeyman:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/elizabeth-warren-democrats-midterms-235238
Kitten, I could see this coming from a mile away. The question is will she be able to overcome the propaganda or will she, like HRC, end up with too much baggage to win another election? It’s so sickening. I’m really scared for our future prospects because the GOP is so diabolical.
I still remember the rage and helplessness I felt when the whole Benghazi thing ignited and spread. Such an effective campaign of spin and lies.
Esmom-You just articulated exactly how I feel about it. I don’t know if Liz will be able to weather the barrage of hate coming from the Right. We know how effective they are at indoctrination and we know how much they can’t stand a woman who persists. I feel really protective of Warren so it pains me to see how much hate she’s gotten on her FB page for sticking it to Trump’s cabinet picks.
I’d also like to add that I noticed on recent threads about Warren that even so-called Dems and Centrists are expressing trepidation about Warren, perpetuating the false narrative surrounding her Native American claim and subjecting her to far harsher criticism than we do for politicians who willfully engage in egregious acts—unlike Warren’s misstep which I believe to be a genuine mistake.
It’s already starting, in other words.
Kitten: “subjecting her to far harsher criticism than we do for politicians who willfully engage in egregious acts”
YES. The double standard is unbelievable. Also, you could be describing the HRC-Trump dynamic, too.
@Kitten, if those who Dems and Moderates actually focused on where that narrative came from, (Senator Scott Centerfold Brown and the disgusting pig Howie Carr), they would see it for what it is and drop it.
I am still outraged that Brown spent MY tax dollars to send his staffers, during working hours for which he paid their salaries and benefits with MY money, to her rallies to shout racist slurs about Native Americans. Wrong on so many, many levels.
And Trump is supposedly considering Senator Centerfold for an ambassadorship.
Brownie is such a worthless piece of sh*t. But yeah as you and Esmom said, there are parallels here between Clinton and Warren: Dems and moderates parroting the GOP and essentially doing their dirty work without even knowing it.
Kitten, I used to believe that by being smart, informed, true to the concept of equality, as honorable as a politician can be, would get results.
It’s all about spin now. The irony baffles me, with this talk of fake news.
The only answer I have now is to pressure local politicians relentlessly and support truly honest media. Not sure how that second part can come about…
It annoys the f*ck out of me how these people change the dialogue. You don’t even make sense a**hole! It’s not anti male, it’s anti discrimination. It’s anti misogyny, it’s anti sexism and racism. It’s not pro abortion, it’s pro choice.
They do it on purpose to confuse people. Just yesterday when CPAC opened there was a major speech about how the “Alt-right” are not conservatives but Leftist. And the left are the anti-Semitic, racist and sexists in the country.
Furthermore that Conservatives stand for personal freedom and freedom from government dictating how to live your life. You hear that pro-choice and LGBLT peeps? It’s the left that is telling you what to do with your body! These people will have you believing up is down and left is right!
Thank you!!! They can’t have it both ways.
ETA: how are more conservatives not embarrassed by these people?? If I were a republican I’d be pissed that these whack jobs were bringing down my party.
I understand my divorce so much better now. He had power, and had complete control. Yay for the dual trauma! I laugh so that I can keep moving forward.
It’s like the alt-right have re-imagined the latest Stepford model. They don’t cook and clean any more: they spew anti-feminist word salads instead.
Exactly. I’m coming to realize the word salads seem to be increasing since Trump took over. Everyone just speaks in circles and half complete thoughts and hopes some tidbit might resonate with their despicable base. Because tidbits and memes seem to be the only forms of information they understand.
This administration is incredibly adept at that, aren’t they? I feel like Palin should be requiring some sort of royalty fee or kickback since she pioneered the GOP doublespeak.
I want dems to be craftier and smarter…they already are, but logic has no role in this post-truth sh1tstorm. I could read random poetry words off my fridge and make more sense. I don’t actually have them.
OOOh! I could sell word salad magnetic words for the alt righties. Take the profits and put them to good use.
Speaking of Stepford Wives –
http://files.rightwingwatch.org/uploads/Betsy-DeVos-confirmation-hearing-800×458.jpg
http://www.movieactors.com/freeze-frames/stepfordwives-2005/StepfordWives-20059.jpg
My sister perfected this look when she was spoofing the blank, nonthreatening Miss America stare. It’ not funny any more.
Conway is about to get hers…”A group of law professors from around the country has filed a professional misconduct complaint against White House counsellor Kellyanne Conway, a graduate of George Washington University Law School who was admitted to the D.C. Bar in 1995.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kellyanne-conway-law-professors-file-misconduct-complaint-ivanka-trump-conflict-of-interest-donald-a7596786.html
Well, what she would get, if they do find that what she is doing is in anyway related to the practice of law, which I’m not sure it is, would be a warning, which would probably not even be made public. They would actually have a stronger case against her if she were practicing law because her license is expired but again, I don’t see where she’s practicing law.
Lawyers can be punished for conduct that does not fall within the realm of the practice of law. And her license is not expired…it is suspended because she did not pay her bar dues.
Yes, BearcatLawyer, I know but such conduct usually falls into the area of felony or fraud. And bar discipline tends to be progressive so a warning of some sort would be the punishment, unless she’s racked up earlier discipline.
You’re right about her license; I think I jumbled the two because my bar dues should be due next week but they haven’t sent me a bill yet and I’ve had it on my mind for the past few days.
In Canada, anything that brings the practice of law or administration of justice into disrepute is punishable regardless of whether it occurs as part of your practice and discipline digests are published on each Law Society’s website. Might be something US lawyers consider emulating.
Well, even if it doesn’t go anywhere, it’s good to see people are holding this administration accountable (or attempting to?).
She’s just a clueless puppet & spending too much time thinking about her makes me sad. She has no real clue what feminism means.
If they eventually all resign because the costs of defending themselves in court is causing them personal bankruptcy, then I’m all for it. Sue the lot of them for everything imaginable.
I freely admit that I avoid learning more about these people, and I’m not proud of that, but learning in this comment that she graduated from the same law school I did just depresses me. Not that there’s anything special about GW, but the ethics and idealism I took away from the experience appears to have either degraded after my time there or she’s just another one of those lawyers that cynically ignores that part of the law and gives the rest of the profession a bad rap. Dammit. So many reasons to hate her.
It’s a fine law school. Be proud! I did grad at Fordham, though not in law. Own your fabulousness.
Kellyanne Conway like Trump is also very pro-capitalism.
Whats wrong with anti male feminism, Kellyanne?
Are you serious?
Why shouldn’t she be? Knowing some of the more egregious garbage that occurs in the world as a result of misogyny, why should we expect all women to handle it graciously? I’m always amazed that people think women and minorities don’t have legitimate reasons to hate their oppressors. It’s the ultimate form of silencing – bar yourself from a basic human response to a dehumanizing culture for some abstract notion of being “above it.”
@Veronica: well said, so much THIS!
“Why shouldn’t she be? ”
Because males aren’t a monolith. Hell. I’m sure you could even name a couple of them that you don’t hate. However, if said she hated patriarchy or male privilege then that’s something I could get on board with.
If you would please expound further on this, I would be all ears. “but I don’t hate men” has become a straw-man of antifeminists which is so limp and tired i can scarcely believe it’s being dragged out at all in 2017, even by someone as uncritical as Conwoman. I’m actually fascinated by what arguments a genuine radical feminist might bring to a discussion of gender roles in society.
It is simply not true, about hating men. I can speak for myself that I have a problem with anti-woman policies, sentiments, behaviors. Men and women are both complicit in this crap.
Generally, women tend to understand more, simply because of our experience.
I don’t care about what your xx/xy details are. I’d just like women to be treated with the same respect and given opportunities on par with men.
That’s it.
I don’t hate men per se, but some/many of their behaviors towards other members of this planet absolutely suck.
Well I read her quotes thrice and I’m still none the wiser, other than to be aware she ought not to be let loose with words on any platform.
A case of failed casuistry.
No, no. You are missing what she really said. She is drawing a distinction between “Conservative feminism” and the rest of us manhating lesbian whinners. She realises now that she may need to draw on feminists to protect her and her position so she has to find a way to turn around on the subject without alienating GOP idiots. Notice she ends with the following distinctly feminist talking points;
“just constantly talking about what women look like or what they wear or making fun of their choices or presuming that they’re not as powerful as the men around. This presumptive negativity about women in power is very unfortunate.”
She is basically a vampire, taking only what she needs from the ideology WHEN she needs it. Remember she took a job from a man who grades women by their appearance, this is only on her radar now because of all inauguration and post inauguration mocking of her appearance. Bannon and Spicer are mocked on their appearance too but Kellyanne just draw the “feminist card” on us.
Yeah but we see her. Kellyanne, we see what you’re doing.
It will appeal to the conservative women who maybe were on the fence about Trump because he’s a p*ssy-grabbing misogynist but those women were/are already so far away from the Democrats, I doubt they were ever coming over to the “dark side”. And the rest of us know better.
I think you’re right in that she’s pandering to feminists by talking about feminism even just to negate it. It will spill ink on how she is or isn’t feminist.
A much more worthwhile take on the “I’m not a feminist” topic can be read here, in this interview with Jessa Crispin. http://themuse.jezebel.com/a-frank-talk-with-jessa-crispin-about-why-modern-day-fe-1792367458
While I generally find denying feminism un-useful at best, and downright harmful at worst, as a rigorous intellectual position, what she says makes sense. Feminism, as divorced from its history and reduced to a “I choose my choice” personal freedom assimilated into the mainstream, has lost a lot of meaning which used to accompany the term, and with that, the power to engage in radical politics and to re-shape society.
As I said below, I think feminism as both a term and a movement has gotten overly diluted.
Loved the Crispin interview in the beginning and agree with her thesis! However, can’t decide whether to get her book – she made some….interesting points.
@OhDear I know! When she started on the topic of why white feminism isn’t such a useful designator anymore because Beyonce, I started giving so much side-eye I could barely see the screen. I’d be willing to read a longer take on it but I don’t know that it could ever convince me that White Feminism is somehow over.
Senna, I don’t get why there has to be ‘white’ feminism. I think a lot of that talk is more about economics than ethnicity. I’m not arguing with you here, just opening the discussion up more.
There have been ‘waves’ of feminism over time. I would love for us all to come together to figure out how to include all women, AND men. More humanist, though that term probably wouldn’t be helpful. More intersectional.
Yes Merry I had the same impression, her number one goal is simply to protect her job and to try to stay in good favor with Trump. She does this by saying what she thinks he wants to hear, but also using the ”woman” card so that she can begin to leverage it against him if he is close to firing her. So she’s walking a tightrope which is why her messaging is conflicted and confusing. I sense she is an outsider within the team and she seems in a vulnerable position to me. She is terrible but I do think the others in Trumps inner circle are more dangerous in the long term. I don’t think she’s anything close an evil mastermind like Bannon etc, and I do think they will chew her up and spit her out. She was integral to getting him elected but her tactics only work on a campaigning ‘outsider’ president , not one who is in office and who is clearly insane. She dug her own hole but I’m sure she also has an exit plan (I think she still manages her polling company).
Exactly. Calling her a puppet is underestimating her. This woman is a lawyer with a massive amount of experience bending arguments to her benefit. We should not dismiss her as stupid – she is, in fact, dangerously cunning.
Agreed. People keep underestimating Trump too by banging on about how stupid he is. He can’t be that stupid if he got himself elected President.
Conservative feminism sounds like an oxymoron.
I really hate how the term feminism is so diluted these days.
On the Women’s Marches: “It turns out there are a lot of women who just have a problem with women in power. You know, this whole sisterhood, this whole ‘let’s go march for women’s rights,’ and just constantly talking about what women look like or what they wear or making fun of their choices or presuming that they’re not as powerful as the men around. This presumptive negativity about women in power is very unfortunate.”
That’s right Kellyanne – we were marching because we were so upset that a woman was in the WH. No, wait, that’s not right…did you mean you are the woman in power that we all have a problem with? Really? On a serious note – your power will, I suspect, be quite short-lived. In fact it seems to be diminishing daily. And as for talking about what women look like…do you own a mirror? (I mean, a real mirror, not a fun house mirror.)
Yep, I read that as KellyAnne thinking that SHE in in power in Trump’s Shite House. What a dimwit. She is just a token and it’s a matter of time before she is dispensed; she’s looking desperate in her attempts to flatter Trump, Ivanka and it’s falling flat. It’ll be fun to watch her fall. Looking forward to it.
THAT’S what she meant by this quote? I figured it was more nonsensical word salad, but she was actually referencing herself. Hahaha, don’t worry KellyAnne, you’re not that important to feminists…or even Trump truth be told.
She’s butt hurt about the backlash she’s gotten about her face, that hideous inauguration outfit and being a wannabe dictator’s mouthpiece. Obviously she thinks the sisterhood should be applauding her position in this comic administration.
No, Kellyanne, I don’t have a problem with women in power; but I do have a problem with you personally. The March was not protesting against women in power; Donald Trump, Paul Ryan & Mitch McConnell are not women. The idea that feminism is anti-male is an absolute lie put forth by misogynists whose goal is to oppress women. We can see where you stand. Wanting equal pay for equal work, equal opportunity, the right to own property in one’s own name, the right to be tried by a jury of one’s actual peers , the right to credit in one’s own name, the right to cover one’s spouse & family under one’s employment-based family plan, the right to have one’s spousal share or survivor’s benefits from one’s Social Security, Medicare, or Veteran’s pension go to one’s spouse, the right to be free to plan one’s own family are not anti-male and most of what I just listed were the subject of lawsuits brought by the Notorious RBG herself during your adult lifetime. And I don’t see how wanting equal pay for equal work has anything to do with abortion.
“I look at myself as a product of my choices, not a victim of my circumstances, and that’s really to me what conservative feminism is all about.”
If you remove “conservative,” from that sentence, Kelly, you’ve just provided a definition of what ALL feminists are striving for, and for ALL women, not just one slice: the ability to have and act on their choices and not be victimized.
Oh, and raise your hand if you’re “pro-abortion and anti-male.”
{no hands go up}
Yeah. that’s what I thought.
Can’t these people ever define themselves without having to run down people who don’t share their views?
Yes, Kellyanne, you are definitely a product of your choices. Have you looked in the mirror recently?
Guess what KellyAnne? No one is pro-abortion. What an a-hole
She really is a complete a-hole. This is shallow of me but I love how rapidly she has aged since she began the devils work.
She was saying some very different things about Trump when she was backing Ted Cruz. If your principles change depending on the MAN you are backing then you have no Principles. You are just standing behind the MAN you back.
She hated Trump until he gave her a job
I would like to hear examples of how she changed. Just for fun.
There is something very reptilian about this woman, and I don’t mean looks, which I refrain from commenting about. It’s snake energy.
I actually agree with Kellyanne here: a lot of women DO have a problem with women in power… that’s why so many women voted for an unhinged lunatic predator. Because they just couldn’t stand the idea of a woman being president. It truly is insane to me how so many women voted for Trump given everything he said about women.
But those weren’t the women who took part in the March.
I did not say they were. I took the first part of Kellyanne’s comment and replaced her ending with an ending that was more true than the crap she spewed. It’s called a bait and switch.
I still yell at my mom for voting for Trump. I say she be ashamed after all that disgusting stuff Trump said about women. She said he didn’t mean it and she thought a woman couldn’t handle being president. I’ll probably scream at her today for being a Trump supporter
Feminists have been fighting for centuries for her right to go to school, get a job, vote and speak publicly when men are present. I guess she thinks Bannon’s male ancestors generously ceded those rights to her. Nope.
“Strengthen the female mind by enlarging it, and there will be an end to blind obedience.”
~Mary Wollstonecraft, “A Vindication of the Rights of Woman,” 1792
Comments such as this one is why I will read CB with clear conscience. Spot on!
THIS times a million.
“So, there’s an individual feminism, if you will, that you make your own choices I look at myself as a product of my choices, not a victim of my circumstances, and that’s really to me what conservative feminism is all about.”
Individual feminism. Lmao. L m a o. She basically just admitted that conservative white women only care about themselves.
Oh my good god. How does she think she came to have those choices in the first place? The cognitive dissonance inside her brain must be incredible.
Shamby-this is semi-OT but I’m just so fucking pissed right now and I need to vent. I know you’re a fellow friend to marijuana so I figured I’d just put it here.
So Spicer said that this administration (can we even call that? WTF are they administering besides hate and intolerance??) is going to be targeting states that legalized marijuana for recreational use because this shit sandwich of a POTUS thinks that pot should be regulated on a Federal level. This is the GOP’s idea of “freedom” and “de-regulation”: transgender rights should be decided on a state level. but marijuana legalization should be decided on a Federal level.
*bangs head against wall*
Ok so we have this awful (yet wholly expected) news and then we have the news about Trump’s big push to make private prisons great again.
So what do we know?
Well, we know that private prisons house more inmates of color. The Sentencing Project estimates 1 in 3 black men will spend time behind bars during their lifetime, compared with 1 in 6 Latino men and 1 in 17 white men. Arrest rates for marijuana possession are four times as high for black Americans as for white. Black men spend an average of 20 percent longer behind bars in federal prisons than their white peers for the same crimes.
So we have a prison system that already overwhelmingly incarcerates black men compared to their white counterparts, most often for crimes as mild as marijuana possession. Now we have Sessions (who was behind the push to rollback Obama’s legislation to reduce private prisons) pushing to regulate (criminalize) marijuana on a federal level.
So black lives don’t matter, for-profit prisons are great, and marijuana should not be legalized for recreational use…you see where I’m going with this, I’m sure.
I am SO. FUCKING. ANGRY. This entire administration is simply trying to maximize profits for big corporations at the expense of our civil liberties, at the expense of our health and well-being, and at the expense of every wonderful thing we had in this country.
Their version of freedom and deregulation doesn’t apply to anything that falls outside of their incredibly-narrow conservative ideology.
Don’t regulate Wall St! Don’t regulate gas emissions! Don’t regulate run-off waste from coal mines! Don’t regulate big business!
DO regulate women’s uteruses! DO regulate gay people’s rights! DO regulate marijuana! DO regulate funding for climate control research! DO regulate people’s access to Medicaid, SS, and insurance!
Guys….this is rock-bottom. I don’t think we can get any worse than this. I’m just so depressed…I no longer recognize my country.
Well Kitten at least we know Susan Sarandon finally has something to get worked about! (sarcasm)
Legit thought – they can pry my MMC from my cold dead hand.
LOL thanks for the laugh– I needed that. I forgot about f*cking Sarandon and her hand-wringing about marijuana. Priorities! lol
Have a good weekend, Erica. 🙂
Y’know, I just had a horrifying realization this afternoon. They want to deport undocumented immigrants and 50-70% of farm laborers are undocumented immigrants. Who’s going to harvest our crops? Why, all of the new folks in our private prisons! Chain gangs and thinly-veiled, legally-sanctioned plantation system, here we come (again)! I am so livid I might punch the first white man I encounter.
And don’t forget she has no problem working with someone that brags about assaulting women.
I just left a comment on the menstruating yoga article that nobody has ever died from being grossed out but I think I was wrong. The amount of disgust I have for this woman has got to be physically toxic and I’m probably about to die from it, maybe.
It’s not like I want her to die, I just want her to never have existed at all. Is that wrong? I DON’T KNOW ANYMORE.
Being pro-women does NOT equate to being anti-male. Being pro-choice does NOT equate to being pro-abortion. More aggravating lies, untruths and limited thinking from a Trump cultist who doesn’t see how she is being used and blinded by the psychological burka over her head.
The feminist movement is WHY she has been able to achieve what she has achieved. The ingratitude of people like this bitch and Megyn Kelly galls me. Our pioneering foremothers (not read a word, I know) beat down a path for us – and now she’s using that trail to take a shit and have a tea party. Have some respect. I make no sense right now, I know, but she just makes me so mad.
Oh yes Kelly Ann, we DO fully understand his compassion for women. We understand that he has none. And who cares about compassion, how about equality?
I can’t wait for the day when this is all over, and we look back and say ha, remember that nutcase? Whatever happened to her?
I am so damn sick of these “I am not a feminist” women. Fine, you go back just as recently as the 60s. Go back to when doctors routinely refused to prescribe BC to unmarried women. Back to when a married woman, even if she had five children, could not obtain a tubal ligation without the permission of her husband. Back to the time a woman applying for a credit card had to get it in her husband’s name(Mrs. Secondclass Citizen). By all means, let those “not a feminists” go back.
Exactly! I was born in the mid-eighties so I often find it’s quite easy for women of my generation and later ones to be ignorant of what things were like for our mothers and grandmothers. The abortion debate has morphed into the morality of abortion, rather than the legal argument used in Roe vs Wade that is profoundly more important: the right of a woman’s privacy to address her health with her healthcare provider as she sees fit. Because conservatives know they can’t win that argument.
Progress is fragile, and it’s SO frustrating that the term feminist has been bastardized by idiots like Kellyanne who are more than happy to benefit from it and pay it no due.
She better put a sock in it! Women don’t give a flying f*ck what she says. Nobody is “pro-abortion ” but we want to keep our rights. If she doesn’t believe in abortion, don’t have one. Most don’t have one, but it’s no one else’s business if they do
Nobody is “pro-abortion” you insanely stupid troll. We are pro-CHOICE.
Amen. Too simple for the spinner to digest.
OK, here’s the to do list for El Cheeto’s minions:
1.Take away El Cheeto’s cell phone so he’ll stop ranting on twitter
2.Duct tape Kellyann’e mouth shut.
There, all done.
I want baby fists to keep his phone and stay on twitter. It’s the only way we know what really riles him up. We need that information. It will be his demise!
Oh, shut up, Kellyanne.
Everything about this woman makes me recoil in shudders. Can the “she robot” say anything without smugness or without that spine-chilling smirk that seems plastered on her face.
Woman studies minor here- I think there’s definitely truth to the “women have trouble with other women in power” thing. But those are the “I’m not a feminist” conservatives, not feminist themselves. Many Trump supporting women were misogynistic in their attitudes towards HRC, and all women (buying Trump’s locker room talk excuse).
These women whine that feminist don’t include them in things like the women’s marches. They act like that’s hypocritical. But it isn’t. The values of these “conservative feminists” aren’t feministic at all, but misogynistic. They just don’t want to admit it. So here’s some guidelines-
You are against feminism if:
1. If you think “locker room talk” is no big deal.
2. You deny the wage gap.
3. You are pro-life. Notice I’m not saying anti-abortion. There’s a difference.
4. You whine about paying for women’s birth control. Double bad if you do this without complaining about paying for Viagra.
5. You say dumb things like “women already have equality” or “I’m not a second class citizen”.
6. You think lying Kellyanne Conway is a role model.
I would change pro-life to pro-fetus. Once the child is out of the womb, It’s tough noogies, kid. They bitch about any assistance to low or moderate income children. Plus, I believe most of them are pro-death penalty.
There’s actually a new term, coined by a nun, Sister Joan Chittister. She calls them “pro-birth,” not pro-life because they care nothing about the life of the child once it is born and do everything they can to deny it health care, education, and equality. And I believe she participated in the Women’s March, as did many nuns.
So, #4 should be “pro-birth”. They don’t care about life.
When I talk with someone who is “pro-life” I simply ask them “how many unwanted children have you adopted?” Pretty much shuts down the conversation.
My parents adopted two children, my brother and I. They are dead now but they were truly pro life. I’m pro-choice but only because I have to be something. Politics does not belong in my uterus!
Another term I’ve heard that’s horrifyingly accurate and really cuts to the chase is “Forced Birth”
Well said!
Kellyann is crazy. She likes to be subserviant to Trump and men and she calls herself a feminist. She is not fooling anyone and she should stick to what she likes best: Clean Trump’s boots.
She still hasn’t figured out that she is the token woman in the Orange Buffoon’s administration, has she? Everything she says and does is to please her “master” and to stay in his good books. Her begging the networks to give her face time is all to give her a platform to suck up to Trump. Sure sounds like feminism to me. I pity her children for having this monster as a role model.
I feel as if I am in a time warp when I see or read something about her. She is stuck in another century.
Isn’t she supposed to be “banned” from talking to the media for a while??? Why is she still talking??
She was at CPAC, just another crazy among crazies.
“It turns out there are a lot of women who just have a problem with women in power.”
Unfortunately this is right. A large number of White woman voted for Trump.
As for feminism being anti-male, every movement has their extreme little sector.
Anti-male feminists do not represent all feminists.
A large number of white women voted for Hillary. Yes, and F*&^ o** to the ones who voted for Trump.
Keep on spinning, Ms. ConArtist, keep on spinning.
honestly shes WHACK. Feminism has evolved into in luding all, especially men! Hello, who worked towards equal time off for Moms AND Dads after a baby is born?! FEMINISTS! look I had a Girls Lib shirt in the 70s, and this chic is a bald faced liar.
So she’s taking the Women’s March as a referendum on her personally? Therefore, they were all bogus because some marchers dared to criticize her and even *gasp* hate on her ugly inauguration outfit. What a tool she is.
Hey Kelly, feminism means you can criticize other women without being a woman hater. Because if we can praise each other’s good works, we sure as hell should be able to criticize our fellow women’s failings just as we do with the men.
I can’t believe she played the ‘jelly haters’ card. Literally no one is jealous of this self-serving mess.
Yeah, I hate it when feminism is equated with, “I am feminist, therefore I must approve of everything every woman ever does.” Uhh…no. If you align yourself with a racist dictator, I WILL have something to say about it. Being a woman does not make Conway immune to criticism.
Sweetie… it’s been like that since the late 60’s and early 70’s. But I see it sliding quickly backward. It is heartbreaking to be considered a second class citizen because I can get pregnant.
She looks like an anti-smoking ad.
This^^
I thought she was done with interviews. She said she had other things in her portfolio to do too
They wish the women’s march was a petty gossipfest.
The marchers showed great strength — the largest peaceful demonstration to ever happen in the US — and a hilarious sense of humor. The signs were incredible.
More than anything I think it was about women who wanted to draw a line against men who think it’s OK to sexually assault a woman at the workplace and then brag about it in a really vulgar way.
“Grab them by the p****” defines her boss’s character and is his most famous quote. That’s worth protesting.
Instead of interviewing this woman please just put a See n Say toy to the mic and point to the farm animals. Cow says mooooooooo. Pig says oink oink oink.
She is a paid distracter to keep your eyes off the big evil ball rolling through this administration.
The slow motion coup is happening now.
No-one is “pro-abortion”! No one stands outside hospitals forcing women to abort their fetuses! No woman ever tries to get pregnant so she can go through the joy (sarcasm) of a termination. It is called pro-CHOICE. This woman annoys me even more than Trump does.
Just seeing her picture and reading that headline made my head explode. Augh!!!
I am pro-choice. I was raised to be responsible, strong and smart. I believe in equal pay for equal work and protection for all under our Constitution. I am a feminist.I am an American. None of this should be difficult. I am sad about these simple and pure concepts being rejected.
She’s a paid mouth piece. She sang a different tune when she worked for Cruz.
We have McCain to thank for Caribought Barbie and Cruz to thank for her.
Remember that when it’s time to vote.
Shut up Kellyanne shut up!!!!!
What she’s saying is so far from true and it cuts me to the quick. I am a proud feminist and I love men. The only people saying that feminism is anti-male are ones who want to justify hating on them. Lies! Fake news!
amen! I love men too
*homer noise*
mennn
I hate her. KellyAnything for a Buck GO AWAY.
So FTR, I know you all have been getting a lot of flack because this is a celebrity-based site, but I want you to know that it means a whole hell of a lot to see support everywhere, especially in places like this that one wouldn’t think.
Thank you and continue to resist!
When I saw this quote hit my timeline: “.@KellyannePolls: “It turns out that a lot of women just have a problem with women in power.”
I was like ‘yes, we saw that when the numbers came out on how many white women voted for Trump over Hillary.” So maybe the issue is less that it’s ‘a lot of women’ but rather ‘a lot of white women.’ A friend of mine from North Carolina believes the issue with women who have issues with women in power are likely Southern Baptists or the like as they’re raised to believe a man always leads.
When will tan Mom’s 15 minutes be up? Please, just go away.
I hate to say this, but deep under all that nasty form she has to express herself, there is one point to be considered. And that is that one of the problems feminism has nowadays is that, like any social movement really, it’s often missrepresented by some of the very same activists that want to draw attention to it. Let’s be real here: there is a branch of “feminists” that are very radical and misandrist and they have damaged the movement as much as those other misinformed feminists who just repeat (often wrong) statistics they read somewhere without any analysis or research. Those are the things that people who don’t want feminism to succeed grab to show how bad the movement is, and it’s also what puts people off of it.
It’s sad that a public woman who is part of the goverment chooses to represent feminism with these aspects and not for what it really is, but we really should look inward and see where the message is going wrong.
Also, I hate that being anti-abortion has become necessarily an anti-feminism stance. For anyone who believes life starts at conception, is not about stripping someone’s right, but protecting another’s. There’s tons of argument for and against abortion, but being against it doesn’t instantly make you an enemy of women.
You believe life starts at conception because of your religious views.
Your religion is your problem, not ours.
So if I were to have been raped and became pregnant from that rape, you and your idea of god have no right to force me to go through with that pregnancy.
Women will not be equal to men until we have full control over our bodies, just as men do.
Feminist = in favor of full rights for women and complete equality for all women.
You are not in favor for full rights for women. You are only in favor of *some* rights for women because of your abrahamic religion. A religion modeled after the teachings of a man from a time when women were basically chattle.
^^^^^This completely. ^^^^^
So much assuming! I don’t follow any religions and I’m not talking from a religious point of view or even from my personal point of view. I’m trying to express a wider opinion which you obviously can’t do. You’re exactly the kind of “feminist” I was referring to above. Thank you for proving my point.
@ Ana-She’s “exactly the type of feminist” you were referring to in your comment? How, exactly?
Because she provided an airtight explanation of why women who actively fight against female bodily autonomy aren’t feminists?
Oh and it’s “anti-choice” not “anti-abortion”.
@Kitten Nope. I meant it as someone who takes opinions that differ to theirs as being against women, instead of trying to open their mind a little and try to at least understand others’ points of views. Having a religious reason for a moral opinion is just as valid as not being religious. And I stress here that I’m talking about opinions and not laws or public health decisions, because I agree those should be secular.
If someone believes life starts at conception, then they can’t possibly think that it’s anyone’s right to take that life. It’s as simple as that. Even science doesn’t agree on when life really starts (only when consciousness or development stages come) so this is a key issue.
And no, it’s not anti-choice. Choice comes before a pregnancy happens. It’s anti-abortion as the only valid choice. And it’s anti not being able to understand others’ point of view.
Ok but then Ana how do you reconcile that stance with those of us who DON’T view it as a religious-based choice? How do you take your opinion and apply it to the other side who sees this matter simply as a scientific one and NOT a religious one, that it’s NOT a child but a clump of cells? Why should pro-choice feminists have to bend to what many of us view as an anti-science, religious-based view? That’s what jerkface was getting at when she said “your religion is your problem”.
You’re saying that pro-choice feminists have some sort of obligation to accept an opinion that is derived from a religious standpoint, not rooted in science or fact, that specifically DENIES us the right to bodily autonomy. According to you, we’re supposed to be ok with these women describing themselves as feminists.
That’s akin to me saying that even though I don’t believe God exists that I should still be able to call myself a Christian. It’s completely antithetical to my beliefs but I should be able to describe myself as such if I want to.
Yeah no it doesn’t work that way.
That wasn’t the best analogy I know, but the point I’m trying to make is that you can’t proclaim to be one thing (in this case a feminist) and then actively work against what that thing aspires to achieve (in this case feminism working to achieve TRUE equality).
The pro-life movement inherently advocates for the subjugation of women and that is NOT a feminist perspective, no matter how hard you want it to be.
“And no, it’s not anti-choice. Choice comes before a pregnancy happens. It’s anti-abortion as the only valid choice.”
Why didn’t you just say you were anti-choice from the beginning? Because that is definitely NOT something a pro-choice person would ever say.
Using the term “anti-abortion” implies that people on the other side of the argument are “pro-abortion”. NO WOMAN wants to have an abortion.
And just to add: I’m all about people believing in whatever they want. I’m not an **shole atheist. But I do draw the line when religion (which should be personal IMO) is legislated, particularly to deny people their very basic rights, such as in the case of bodily autonomy.
Every woman has the right to believe that abortion is wrong for religious reasons or otherwise–that belief alone does not preclude you from being a feminist.
However, as soon as you seek to impose your personal views on other women via legislation thereby denying other women the choice to handle their body as they see fit, you are no longer a feminist.
@Kitten, I don’t think you understood my first point. I’m not saying women should accept anything. I was just saying that some people have a reason for being against abortion that is not because they’re anti feminists. That’s all. And like I said, I was talking about opinion and moral stance and not legislation or public health or the views a goverment should have. My whole point is that we should try to level up the debate and hear others’ opinions and understand where they come from, even if we don’t agree, instead of instantly shut someone down as “you’re not feminist if you think like that!”. That’s exactly why some women are relunctant to call themselves feminists. Because apparently we all have to be like a beehive and share the same mind.
Dont confuse facts with attacks, Ana.
I call your blushing bluff because if you do not follow some sort of belief system that is rooted in religion you would not be concerned with antiabortionists/antichoice place in the feminist movement. You would already understand why there is a clear separation there.
If that is radical then so be it. I’m rad to the bone then, honey.
Show’s how narrow your world is, “honey”.
LOL. Oh Ana.
“choice comes before pregnancy happens”
Well there you go. No need to continue discussing this with you.
Good day to you.
Personally I don’t think you can be both anti choice and a feminist. I think you can personally for yourself feel as you are against abortion but to make that choice for all women I think that really goes against what feminists stand for.
I’m against abortion for my personal choice however I’m pro choice because I’m not going to impose my personal views or choices on someone else. In addition I don’t know how I would react if I was raped and became pregnant. Even though I’m not for abortion I may choose differently…I’m glad I’m not I that position however I’m damn glad I currently have a choice if I found myself in it.
@Anna: “I hate that being anti-abortion has become necessarily an anti-feminism stance. For anyone who believes life starts at conception, is not about stripping someone’s right, but protecting another’s. There’s tons of argument for and against abortion, but being against it doesn’t instantly make you an enemy of women.”
That depends on how the person’s anti-abortion stance works. For example, if a woman’s stance on the subject is something like “Because I believe life begins at conception, I see abortion as taking a life ad wrong and will never get one, and because of that stance I believe in people having all other contraceptive services, as easily available as possible to reduce people needing to get abortions in the first place. And my pro-life stance also involves making sure that the lives are cared for in other ways after they get here,” then that’s not automatically anti-feminist.
But if a person’s anti-abortion stance is actually an anti-choice one, where politically they’re actively choosing to be a part of the system that puts the ‘rights’ of a cluster of cells over the rights and safety of living human women and girls with laws that take those rights away and that puts peoples’ religious feelings over women and girls’ access to things like birth control and abortion, then that’s anti-feminist. And of course that would include anyone engaging in harassment or any of the misogynistic or violent behavior that some anti-choice people have. Also, “Choice comes before pregnancy happens” is a tone-deaf half-truth that does a person no favors in convincing anyone that part of a person’s motive for their anti-abortion stance isn’t really about body-policing and not caring about women’s rights. Not a good look.
That was exactly what I was trying to say, and I agree with you.
As for “choice comes before pregnancy happens”, I don’t think I expressed myself properly there. I meant that for me, being “anti-choice”, with that label, is stripping women of every single choice she can make about her sexuality and body, for instance people who condemn contraception, and expect women to only have sex with their husbands to procreate. I was trying to say that being against abortion, especifically, doesn’t mean you want to take away all of the choices. Not everyone is like that.
I think the really aggressive “pro-lifers” fit exactly in that “anti-choice” stance, and I wanted to make the distinction.
I’ve seen lots and lots more people complaining about or admonishing radical feminists (or the things they have supposedly said, because often there is no clear occasion for the admonishing) than I have seen actual radical feminists.
But it suits the anti-feminists to present feminism as such, so we constantly have to apologize and get pressed into a corner. This has been going on for decades, and it seems that only the last few years we’re no longer falling for that trap.
And how often do you see men apologize for the much more rampant misogyny everywhere?
Maybe you’ve been lucky in your interactions, @Flan, but because of my job I’ve had to talk a lot of self appointed feminists, activists at that, that can’t even explain what feminism is properly, and spout a bunch of hate directed to men and other women that don’t conform to their views of what a liberated woman should be. I’ve literally heard at least 5 of them say that if the child they are carrying is a boy, they’ll abort. Feminism should be something obvious that everyone supports (unless you’re really a sexist mysoginist, which there are still quite a number), but the message has got twisted, and then people like Kellyann or the MRA exploit those exceptions loudly to suggest feminism is bad. Like most social movements, feminism often suffers from bad press and it’s in our best interest to expand the message in the right way.
That’s KellyAnn’s problem if she wants to interpret it that way. Not one of us has to listen to the nonsense this woman spouts (by the way, is there a female equivalent for the word “Uncle Tom”? Because she is one-
As far as trying to listen to and understand the other side, they are trying to shut the dialogue down by keeping parts of the press out of the White House briefing room. Make no mistake that this woman is an apologist for a group of men who are trying to abridge your freedoms.
It’s happening on the state level too:
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/02/22/arizona-senate-crackdown-on-protests/
I will not worry about keeping up a “dialogue” with those who want to take away my First Amendment rights, and neither should you. They have no intention of listening.
Here 15 minutes are at 13.5 already. Tick tick tick ….
Blah di blah blah. To Kellyanne, feminists are the enemy to her ambitions. When she speaks you know it’s a lie.
I can’t wait till she’s turfed out by the white privileged boys. Her spin will be again a bunch of lies. Like 45, so many lies make you a serious nothing.
She’s afraid to embrace the ‘f word’ because she’s surrounded by dolts like herself who don’t understand how multi-faceted it is. Feminism doesn’t just mean one thing or the same thing to the same people. When you call yourself a feminist, you risk being misunderstood, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take. She lacks a backbone as well as a brain.
The traitorous orange turd just blocked CNN, the NYTimes and other news organizations from a “gaggle”
I just read that. I don’t even know how to handle this anymore. I seriously think I need medication or something because this administration is causing me so much f*cking anxiety.
And he’s promising more military buildup because that’s EXACTLY what our country needs: MOAR MILITARY SPENDING.
*waves American flag*
I’m with you, Kitten.
I have really been enjoying the benefits of calming teas. I can’t shake my head anymore because I’ve given myself “whatlash”. Thats whiplash from going, “whaaaaaaat?”
I’m waving the flag with you all.
I’m way past tea. Pot and vodka all the way. But yeah, this administration is DIZZYING in its insanity.
Have a good weekend, you guys 🙂
I can’t effing believe this. I go into a classroom for 3 hours and now, more days than not, I turn not the radio or check my phone and somehow we’ve descended further into a nightmare. I’m becoming scared to even look at the news anymore.
I really feel like I need to grab my family and just leave the US, but honestly nowhere seems safe these days.
She is so anti woman and as her boss, the 🍊 menace would say- Sad! 🙄
F**k your shoes Kellyanne.
*dead* baaaaaahahahahahahahahaha
Awesome
Well, if her mother wanted to go back in time and have one, I wouldn’t stop her.
She’s another crazy.
Please please please let her say something dumb a la Milo and let her decide to air out trump’s dirty laundry on her way out. Please, let there be karma in this world.
This person is on her way OUT. She is grasping mightily to hold on – with those ugly hands that we saw with the chewed down fingernails.
She was already scheduled in advance to speak at this event, so she was allowed out for it. She was “busy with her family, finding a house and schools” last weekend? Yeah right. She got an interview today and used it to try to position herself in some way that will assist her when they finally pull the rug out from under her.
And fuck her shoes!
It will be interesting to watch how and when they give her the push.
Everything these Trump Toadies say is just a dog whistle to their alt-right base. Pro Abortion. Conservative Feminism. Twisted nonsense about feminists making fun of what other women wear. That feeds the base. But just remember. They are not the majority. If this crap pisses you off do something constructive with your anger, like go to a town hall meeting, contact your local reps about important issues. Volunteer. Run for office. That being said, I am usually happily taking the low road so i’ll just add that she looks busted with too much face work and fake hair. 😀
Satan’s fembot should be thanking the feminist movement! Without it, she wouldn’t have the access or the agency to go up on TV and spout her crap or even have a career! She would just be a cleaning and breeding machine, as women were forced to be for centuries!
On “social media,” I have been admonished not to “late-shame” young left-leaning liberals who have come to oppose policies advanced by Trump that liberals did not oppose under Obama. It’s sound advice, I think, but this isn’t about late-shaming. It’s about double-standards and hypocrisy. I’m not talking about folks in their late teens and early twenties here. What, really, are we on the actual Left supposed to say to senior liberals and progressives who have shown again and again that they simply won’t get serious about criticizing and opposing a corporatist, Wall Street-captive, neoliberal, militarist, and imperial presidency unless that presidency is headed by a Republican like George W. Bush or Donald Trump? The partisan double-standard they have demonstrated again and again makes them dubious allies in the struggle for peace, justice, democracy, and environmental sanity.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/24/liberal-hypocrisy-late-shaming-and-russia-blaming-in-the-age-of-trump/
Don’t worry; she is using her alternative facts option for her definition. And, yes, I agree true beauty comes from within and appearance shaming is not good…but, for her, I can’t resist stating she perpetually has that half baked stunned person expression of when the lights come on at 5 am at a club.
This may be the first thing I’ve ever eve slightly agreed with her on (including her comments as herself on “Spin City” in the Michael J. Fox era)… Actually, not sure I know or care about feminism, but there is at minimum as much of a double-standard gender-wise in politics as anything else.
May be why some voted for Hillary instead of Trump (ironically, then, why anyone posts what KC says now)… But I for one am sick of seeing TV shows & movies with near-full/full male nudity & no public reaction, whereas there is an Internet-wide slam if a female has as much as a “nip slip” walking down the street.
I signed up for a subscription to the Washington Post, then read lots and lots of articles written since the inauguration. The photos accompanying any article about Kelleyanne are absolutely priceless. She sure is ageing badly – and quickly.
Well I do think there is a faction among feminists who are anti-men and I think that is damaging unless you are really only interested in preaching to the converted. I think equality includes standards of behaviour which you cannot condemn in men and cheer on in women. Within certain boundaries, as long as the people I know are uniform in their attitude towards all genders, races etc. I don’t demand they speak and act exactly the way I do. This woman disgusts me though. I have tried joining protest marches in the past, but I am so English I just feel really awkward, however I swear, if trump comes to the UK I will make a placard and I will be on the street demonstrating against him and what he stands for. Among many other things he was mean to the BBC and I will not stand for that.