I would not have believed you if you told me one week ago that one of the biggest gossip stories this week, in 2017, would be “drama among the Sex and the City cast.” It’s really strange, right? And yet, I’m kind of loving it. Bring on the dumb girl drama!! To recap, Sarah Jessica Parker announced one week ago that the third Sex and the City movie wasn’t happening. SJP didn’t name names, but the Daily Mail did – the DM did an exclusive about Kim Cattrall’s diva antics and how Kim wanted more money, etc, you get the picture. Kim Cattrall then came out this week and called bullsh-t on all of it, saying she had always said no to SATC3 and that SJP “could have been nicer” about all of it. Then sources went People Mag and dissed Kim once again, saying that Kim single-handedly “killed” the movie and is now lying about it.
Amidst all of this Girl Drama, perhaps we should check in with some of the dudes of SATC? Is Mario Cantone around? No. Perhaps Chris Noth. No. David Eigenberg? No. But Willie Garson wanted to chime in. Willie played mostly-Carrie’s friend Stanford Blatch, back when “gay dude best friends” were every New York gal’s perfect accessory (sorry, that’s just how the show always treated him). Willie is an established character actor and reportedly close to Sarah Jessica Parker in real life. So, Willie is choosing sides. He tweeted this:
Dear fans, because I'm "toxic", I'm going to negotiate a contract for 6 months, not come to terms, then say I never wanted to do it anyway.
— Willie Garson (@WillieGarson) October 4, 2017
“Dear fans, because I’m ‘toxic’, I’m going to negotiate a contract for 6 months, not come to terms, then say I never wanted to do it anyway.” You know what? This is starting to make me uncomfortable. It feels like Sarah Jessica and her peeps are ganging up on Kim Cattrall. Maybe Kim did negotiate with producers and maybe they didn’t come to terms. Maybe Kim was only negotiating to see what kind of money she could get or what the story would be. Maybe when she learned the payday wouldn’t be all that great and the story was going to suck, she backed out. We don’t know. But I’m uncomfortable with burning Kim Cattrall just because she, like, had the audacity to say “no” to a movie that she obviously didn’t want to do. Why are Sarah Jessica and her friends trying to publicly shame Kim for this?
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No one wanted this movie. Let it go children.
haven’t we suffered enough?
Seriously. I can’t believe they’re making such a huge deal about this after their previous movies were so sh^tty. Embarrassing.
It is a very embarrassing money grab from the actors. Unless Willie directly spoke with Kim about this… his statements are all hearsay.
I am not an actor but I have been pressured to take on a project after I said no repeatedly.
Everybody acts like they can convince you by offering more money, free time, or perks. The truth is sometimes you really don’t want to deal with those people at all.
I think they didn’t believe her when she said no and kept moving forward as if they could give her something to change her mind.
It makes SJP look bad not Kim Cattrall.
Well, used to think SJP was sweet but not anymore. And this guy is immature and problematic.
Good on Kim avoiding these people.
@Nicole. Yeah. Pretty much. But Catrall could have been open saying the terms were not to her satisfaction, which is absolutely her right.
Rather than claiming she said no all along, never expressed interest, ever, and it’s all SJP plotting against her? This seems to be Will’s point.
It’s not so much what Catrall’s choice was, it’s the lie.
What was the lie? They kept trying to interest her in doing the movie and they didn’t succeed. Willie Garson’s tweet doesn’t challenge that. Kim never said yes and was the one being approached by the filmmakers.
Huh? 🙉😩 Catrall herself – only 2 days ago – said she turned it down as far back as 2016, and the only ‘demand’ she made was ‘No movie’. Well some are saying this was not the case, she was on boars, did a 180, and is changing the narrative while throwing **** at SJP, for good measure.
But I’m just repeating myself at this point……
How way she lying? People can try to negotiate with someone who isn’t interested ,to get them to change their mind. It happens every day. It’s getting to be a bullying situation at this point.
@Amide. Even Willie Garson’s tweet makes it clear that an agreement was never reached. The producers couldn’t come up with an offer to which Cattrall would say yes. Kim couldn’t have done a 180 because she never said yes.
Was she “negotiating” or did they keep sending her increasingly better offers that she would politely decline?
Kim DOESN’T WANT TO DO IT. There is no law that says she must.
“It’s not so much what Catrall’s choice was, it’s the lie.”
Actually this all started with the anonymous leaks trying to slander her for not agreeing to a third film. Very underhanded play against someone who simply exercised their right to negotiate in a tough way during a private commercial contract negotiation.
…but here’s the thing, Amide — Cattrall may very well have said “no” from the get-go just as she claims, and they may have approached her repeatedly after that, honestly thinking she just wanted a sweeter deal or a bigger role. The studio may well have considered that to be a several-months-long round of negotiations (and in Hollywood that often IS negotiation, if the actor in question is just holding out for a sweeter deal).
And Cattrall, who is clearly over the SATC franchise, especially after that last dog of a movie, was NOT negotiating at all. She meant “no” all along. Too bad Hollywood believes that everyone has their price and “no” means “make me a better offer,” because that attitude is likely what led to such a disparity in their versions of events…and to such unfortunate ugliness.
They couldn’t believe she really meant “no” — and possibly they even offered to produce any other projects she might have in mind…but she had no projects in mind, and she simply preferred to be remembered as the sexy thirty-something/forty-something SATC blonde than as a horny cougar in her sixties coming on to every man she sees.
I know. The first two movies weren’t good, the second racist too but the hurt feelings over a third movie not happening are bizarre. They could write aroun Samantha if they wanted.
” They could write around Samantha if they wanted.”
That is what I was thinking too…up until today. Now I am wondering if perhaps the studio/or whatever backers they have said that they wouldn’t do it unless the 4 original actresses are all on board. I mean, I can certainly see that as a possibility…SATC without Samantha is NOT SATC, and I could see a studio recognizing that and not wanting to put out the $ for a film without Kim. Writers could certainly put together a script without her…but maybe someone higher up wouldn’t want to a risk on a Samantha-free script?
It would also explain all the hate being flung at her…the rest of that cast would be missing out on a huge payday because she said no. I mean, I don’t think that is the right way to behave, but it makes sense. People DO get very angry about $.
I also think it is possible that everyone is telling their version of the truth. If Kim was approached and she said “No, I don’t want to do it, but thank you” and they countered with “what would it take?”- it is possible that she DID “name her price” and she may have shot for the moon there, because she did NOT want to do it— but maybe for a gazillion million AND X AND Y AND Z, she would? And from there, they ,may have countered again. So I could see how she could say “I always said an emphatic NO” and the rest of the cast could see it as “She negotiated for 6 months and then “backed out”.
I do NOT think Kim should be bullied into a movie she has no desire to make…but if the rest of the cast wants it, and can’t get the film made without her, it would make sense that they would be bitter. It is not very nice, or mature or professional– but I could see it.
EXACTLY this, the actors are the ones who want it most which should be the end of that discussion. get over and try invigorating your careers beyond SATC. for real. deals fall through all the damn time stop crying over it. it also goes to show the tensions between the cast are real so who wants to work like that anyway? move along
Yes!! I’ve literally not heard ONE person say they’d like a third SATC movie. One or both of them were so loathed by people and I think we’re at the end of Carrie’s self-centeredness, Miranda’s schoolmarm practicality, Charlotte’s ditziness and Sam’s sex tigress. We’re DONE people (actors other than Kim C), it’s over, let the characters go. Good grief, the pouting and money grubbing from the other actors is so gross.
Exactly.
This is so embarrassing for SJP, can’t she see that or is her ego blinding her?
She can’t and she was always a mean girl. Why is this movie so important to her? It cannot be money. Fame? Probably.
Hollywood is one huge overblown ego maniac. SATC belongs in the 90s. Keep in there.
Exactly, but they wanted a pay day and to relive old times. She’s showing a really ugly side. Lots are. Tarnished.
We are being played Big Time.
I still think it’s all a modern day, pr-campaign ,to drum up interest in the film, between all of them. We are being played, BIG TIME. I’m not buying this drama for a second. Call me jaded.
If so… they’ve been playing this as a long con. Back to season 3 I think. Maybe earlier the KC and SJP fued was happening.
Willie is just pissed because hes no longer getting his pay day and blames Kim. Good for Kim! Shes doing what’s right for her and I respect that. Why don’t you try and find another gig there Willie?
THIS ^^^^
Yep. I haven’t really seen or heard about Willie other than SATC. Like SJP, that is his claim to fame, and very likely his biggest paycheck in his career. These people are atrocious. They are so thirsty that they can’t even see what they are doing is embarrassing all around. Willie and SJP are only making Cattrall look better.
While I agree about Willie, I must respectfully disagree about SATC being SJP’s ticket to fame. Now, did it shoot her into the stratosphere? Absolutely. But SJP has been a successful working actress since she was a child in the 70’s. She had done Broadway (was one of the first, if not the original, Annie), tv and movies loooooooong before SATC ever came along. SATC made her a household name (and very wealthy), but she’s been working steadily in the industry for over 40 years.
smcollins, I realize that SJP was a child star and working actress nearly her entire life. I still stand by my statement that SATC is and always will be her claim to fame. The same goes for everyone else in SATC – Cattrall, Davis, Garson, and Nixon. All of them were working B/C-list actors before SATC. None of them would be household names or that wealthy today (other than by marriage) if it weren’t for SATC. Especially SJP. It amazes me that she’s gotten so far in her career, and I doubt it would have happened if not for SATC.
I guess since SJP tv show DIVORCE was a dud, she needs something. I’m assuming it was a dud, since I never hear about it anymore.
Could this whole thing , the public fighting , the infighting, the Kim, SJP drama, the social media slamming, be just a Public Relations ploy by the studios and the actresses to get interest in a movie, that they all have already planned to do? I’m being cynical again….can’t help it.
I use to love SJP but this whole drama is sounding bad. It’s not helping her image if it’s true. Why should a woman (Kim) be forced to accept and do something she doesn’t agree with professional or want to do in any business, not just show business?
I have not heard anything about her show Divorce other than a few snippets on gossip blogs whenever she is trying to promote it. She will never have a successful show comparable to SATC again in her life, which is probably why she is so dead set on making more SATC movies.
So tire of SJP having all her minions go after Kim. Andy Cohen dissed Kim a few days ago in WWHL and it was catty and awkward.
Andy Cohen is good friends with SJP, they visit each others homes , socialize together.
Exactly. And as if this bitchery would make her want to jump on board,
Thank goodness someone said this. One was watchable, two was offensive, three should never have even reached this point.
Ladies, you are done. Kim (who I must admit, I love) just had the good sense and decency to call it.
Amen.
Exactly! That second movie was beyond awful. Maybe she thought the script would be better, Money, whatever! Either way, no grand cinematic loss.
Maybe she WAS negotiating and then decided the deal wasn’t good enough., and walked away. SO WHAT.
If say, I had an offer from Microsoft for £80k a year but I thought I was worth £120k a year with an extra £30k thrown in for dealing with a nasty boss… and we negotiated back and forth for 6 months without reaching a deal, so I walked away, does that make me Toxic? No. That makes me a real person with the right to CHOOSE MY F*CKING JOB.
What exactly is the problem here? Other than SJP and her loser minions losing their pay day on another shitty film.
Gross. These people are fing gross.
And again – NO MAN would EVER be publicly vilified for driving a hard bargain and then walking away when he didn’t get what he wanted.
Word.
And women get told the pay gap is still somewhat their responsibility, because they don’t negotiate their terms and compensation… Then they get slammed for negotiating. And you have to be prepared to walk away if you start the negotiation, it’s how the process works.
And they’re calling her toxic… I see double standards.
I feel the message this is sending to women is
‘don’t you dare negotiate and then walk away from a project if they don’t meet your demands, or your former coworkers will call you names in public and do what they can to derail whatever is left of your career – you have been warned’.
Basically shut up and take what you are given, and be grateful.
It’s disgusting. Even more so given this is being fed by women themselves.
Suddenly glad SJP has been left out of the Hocus Pocus remake. ugh.
Clare & others…
This exactly. It’s nasty behavior and flat out bullying. The double standard is real.
Something else…. if this movie was wanted. Samantha would be written out. The movie would go on. So, I suspect this was on some level unwanted within the production and they’re looming for the easiest scapegoat instead of admitting no one wanted this.
Didn’t Kim say she told them back in 2016 she wasn’t interested and that never changed. So it would be untruthful on her part then if she negotiated for six months. It obviously fell through. But that would then make sense why a script was being worked on.
All he is doing is calling her out for her misleading statement. I said on another thread yesterday the truth was probably somewhere in the middle, so team no one.
@Jayna you’re probably right in terms of team no one, but negotiations can go on for months or even years, with one party making offers and the other saying they are not really interested, but will take a look at the offer anyway. A great example of this is real estate – a buyer may continue to make offers on your home, which you may not be interested in selling – doesn’t mean you wouldn’t look at the offer when it arrives, y’know? Either way I’m just not a fan for demonizing a woman for driving a hard bargain and then walking away…
She could have looked at offers negotiated for months or years, but if she finally told them in 2016 that she wasn’t interested and that never changed – SINCE SHE TOLD THEM NO. Personally I believe she told them from Day 1 that she wasn’t interested, but for them to claim a year after she said her final “no” that she’s holding out for money, etc, is just wrong.
Jayna
She’d say that in season renewals too. She was labeled the diva has been because she didn’t want to do it anymore. Shed negotiate to make it worth it, but she wanted out for years and years. This is no shock.
“And again – NO MAN would EVER be publicly vilified for driving a hard bargain and then walking away when he didn’t get what he wanted.”
This! x1000
Agreed!!!!!
Thank you, Esmeralda. You nailed it.
SOOOO THIS.
It’s a job negotiation FFS. You can say NO out loud.
And as I’ve said yesterday Kim Cattrall has always been clear about not wanting to do another movie.
What’s crazy to me is that she is the one who is portrayed like the greedy one, instead Sarah Jessica Parker who made millions woth SATC wants a third movie because of….? Charity ?
No means no
Toxic because they didn’t make the choices you wanted? Even in the tweet he says nothing was signed and firm.
What’s the real drama here, is someone broke? Did Kim call Jessica by her favourite thoroughbreds name? Where’s the poop.
If they can’t make the movie without Kim it proves she is the most popular character. I sense some sour grapes on SJP’s part.
They can’t really make the movie if any of the four women drop out.
I never understood when people use to tell me SJP was not attractive. I always found her to be an attractive lady when she did SATC.
Also guys evidently thought she was , because she was seeing the late John F. Kennedy Jr. years ago, they dated for awhile. She lived with Robert Downey Jr. , She married Matthew Broderick, these guys certainly aren’t slouches in the attractiveness department.
I think now she’s done something to her eyes, that makes her look less attractive.
What I find unattractive lately is her personality.
Detritus
I live for your comments but mocking SJP’s looks seems unnecessary, imo.
Point taken. It wasn’t my best joke, that’s for sure. I more meant to riff on the common comments, but it wasn’t well enough done obviously.
While I choose not to participate – 75% of the words on this site debate a celebrity’s appearance.
With respect to SJP, I have to say that the continuous insistence by some that she’s some epitome of beauty and style is getting very wearing and old. She doesn’t come off in all this as the beautiful quirky sprite that SATC has been selling.
At the beginning of SATC Carrie was different. She was more relatable, insecure, but someone who had her own look and style (I remember her curly hair in the pilot). It was a slightly grittier show. Carrie wasn’t a model but you could still see how someone like Big might be interested in her. At the end of the second season she was moaning about being compared to Natasha and her perfect looks.
After that the character changed. We were supposed to believe gorgeous men were constantly throwing themselves at Carrie. Big dumped Natasha. The Jazz player (Craig Bierko) passed her a note even though it looked like she was on a date with Big. Aiden let her walk all over him because she was so irresistible. Ron Rifkin’s mentor character at Vogue said she was adorable. The famous Russian instantly fell for her at a gallery. Big chased her to Paris. And so on and so on.
After she became a producer it seems like SJP couldn’t get enough of being the center of attention, the woman all men wanted.
@detritus
You rock all the socks. And yeah, methinks all is not on the table with this one. Pity because I used to take up for SJP because of all of the drama her husband put her through. But ugly, like beauty, is not just skin deep 🙁
@Original G
I would say that nearly all snark on this site is about fashion choices and poorly executed cosmetic surgery as opposed to physical features. I do lol at the idea of SJP as a classic beauty but her sartorial merit is deserved, imo. She’s not as avant garde as she used to be but she is definitely more than a fashion week only dilettante.
@Minx I see your point and it may well be the truth about what happened to the character after SJP’s ego grew but if you’re implying a woman that is not a classic beauty can’t be incredibly wanted by a lot of men that is simply not true. Men, like women, are often drawn to confidence and charisma more than looks, in my experience, so I don’t find a storyline were SJP could get a lot of male attention unbelievable at all. It all depends on the character’s confidence and charisma and in SATC I think Carrie had quite a bit of both. Incredibly poor taste in men as well but that is another subject…
As for all the drama between KC and SJP I remember them being not on friendly terms and always taking not so subtle shots at each other all through the series. So this is just a continuation of that. For some reason they just don’t like each other, that’s my take on the whole situation. And people are right, they should just let SATC RIP.
Jenny, absolutely you don’t have to be a classic beauty to have men want you! If that were the case only beautiful people would be paired up. I just think the show changed from its early episodes and came to revolve around Carrie and her supposed fabulousness.
For goodness sake, no one wants this movie to happen! Kim did us all a favour. Now can someone somewhere please make a film worth seeing?
No offense, but is there a huge hunger for another SATC movie?
And for the record, Kim has every right to say no. Yeah, it made her career, well, the TV show did, but why go back if her heart isn’t in it? Oh right, women have to be ever so grateful, even if isn’t in their best interests.
There is NO hunger for a new movie, and I say that as a big SATC fan. The first movie was fine but they ruined it with the cash-grab second movie. Enough!
I agree, everyone has the right to choose what to do without being bullied into a project of any kind by other people. I personally believe Mary Kate and Ashley Olson should have agreed to do at least one episode of Fuller House. That show made those twins what they are today, even more so than SATC made Cattrall, because at least Cattrall was a B-list actress before SATC. However, the Olson twins have decided not to join Fuller House, and the creator and cast have been very kind about it. They were more persistent in the first season, making jokes throughout the series, but that has waned. The Fuller House creator has simply said recently that the door is always open, but he is no longer actively trying to persuade them to join. That is what SJP and the rest of the cast should say as well. Of course the entire cast together again would have been ideal, but sometimes people move on with their lives and no longer want to work on a project. It’s that person’s choice, and the rest of the cast needs to at least publicly accept that and not berate that person. This is getting ridiculous. Really disgusted with Willie and SJP right now. I’m truly hoping that Kristin Davis doesn’t join in on the bullying other than to say that she is disappointed without having to call out Cattrall.
It’s likely there was some sort of gentlemans’ agreement that the cast were onboard and Kim pulled out.
She’s absolutely entitled to this, but it seems the cast are pissed at being portrayed as, dragging, forcing, bullying, Kim to participate, in her new narrative.
It would have stayed in ‘ development hell’, if Michael Patrick King, or the studios, didn’t see it coming into pre-production at a set time.
In light of this, it’s VERY possible other guys, either on the board or behind-the. -scenes are letting their anger known. I think it was a deliberate dig for Catrall to point the finger, first and only, at SJP. But going by their relationship over the years, Kim knew what she was doing.😶😣
Yep, it’s been no secret that SJP and Kim have been at odds for years, even while on the show together. Clash of the egos.
Except this all started with the article in Daily Mail conveniently blaming the entire thing on Kim. This could have just gone away as a thing that just never happened but the sniping happened before Kim ever said anything. All she has done is refute the narrative that was started that she is the big bad for not wanting this movie.
If SJP and company care so much, I wish they would have given us better SATC movies!
Yes! And to be fair, they absolutely butchered Samanthas storyline in the movies and made her character into a weird caricature. I’m not at all surprised Kim doesn’t want to do it with such shitty writing for her (unless the money offered was crazy which obviously it wasn’t). I thought it was so bad in the movies my conspiracy theory was that SJP hated Kim enough to get the writers to torture her with awful scenes. 🙂 But it’s possible they really are just absolute crap at writing Samantha. Either way SJP isn’t looking good for any of it in my book since she is or was the executive producer I think…
I remember when they used to write interesting things for Samantha, when she was a real woman. The second movie turned her into a yowling, dumb joke when Sam was always incredibly smart as well as sexual.
I wish I could better remember the details of this: Around the time SATC ended, apparently they were a few episodes short of the other women qualifying for a larger percentage of money from syndication? The decision to end was SJP’s and at the time she used really similar language for ending the series to what she’s using now to justify a new movie -then it was “no more stories,” now, it’s “think there’s one more story left.”
I can’t stand SJP’s breathless-little-girl shtick. I find it jarringly insincere. And the character of Carrie was Flanderized by Season 4. At that point, SJP stopped acting. She also stopped saying “my.” For the rest of the series, she pronounced it as “mah” while doing a headbob. It’s a tiny detail that always made me cringe.
Oh interesting, so this could be tit for tat.
Season 5 was the real low point for me. Yup, SJP stopped acting and was basically herself. I hated the shreaks, wide eyed surprised looks, and horrible black mascara that made her eyes look tiny (10 years later she’s still doing it!). She was a good actress for 3-4 seasons and then lost it. Even in movies she plays herself. Thankfully season 6 rebounded a bit in regards to storylines and acting.
This is why Kim held out on the first film…she wanted to make bank. And she got it.
And she probably got even more the second time around, so I can see why she wouldn’t be amped to jump on for the 3rd if she feels comfortable.
The more “team” SJP chat and leak the worse they seem. think Kim made the correct choice to just move on.
Man, SJP just keeps looking worse and more desperate and Kim keeps looking better! Have some self respect! SJP is a hypocrite and a bully. Guess Kim having the power of no really triggered her.
Interesting.
Why is it that the entire cast seems to think they can’t make this movie without Kim? They could easily recast, or make other arrangements for a new character but… I guess Samantha was just so popular they can’t make the movie without her.
And, I think, THAT fact is what burns the rest. No movie without Samantha? Hilarious. Goes to show who really was the most popular and well loved character.
It funny because Kim legit said they could recast Samantha or kill her off. Fans said there’s no SATC without her
That’s exactly what I think. I assume Samantha’s character is far too popular to do a movie without her.
I think they all realized long ago that Sam was the most interesting and unique character with the best lines on the show and that KC brought comedic chops to the table that none of the others had. They were fine and perfect for the parts but KC brought fire and without her … where’s the fun in the stories?
I find all of this so unprofessional and off putting. Why go public with any of it? I don’t see fans upset that this isn’t happening. The 2nd movie killed the Carrie character for me. She was utterly annoying in it but to be fair, the entire thing was a sh*tshow.
Yep. KC carried herself with dignity during the series, despite having to do all sorts of outrageous things. SJP didn’t want to do nudity but it was apparently fine for Samantha. SJP wants more and more money, evidently, after foisting the POS SATC2 on the public. Didn’t she see how terrible she looked in that movie? And she wants to do another one 8 years later? And more importantly, Chris Noth doesn’t want to do it either!
Don’t understand the big deal with them all ganging up on her. Just write her character out or recast and move on. They’re acting like bullying kids at this point and it makes you see why KC didn’t want to sign up for this mess again!
+1 . So bitchy. She contributed a huge amount to the franchise–can you imagine it without her humor and sex appeal? She owes them nothing. I bet she did tell them she didn’t want to do it, and they badgered her “just take some meetings and hear what we have to say.” If they then couldn’t pony up her asking price and/or give her a decent story, then so be it!
It’s clear they were not interested in doing a great movie with a creative, thoughtful story. Otherwise they’d be prepared for any of the three supporting actresses to say, no thanks.
Nope, shift the blame to KC. Seems like a classic narcissist move.
Good to know he’s as annoying, self-involved and up SJP’s butt as his character was.
It’s sour grapes because Kim didn’t take the role and stood up for herself.
This is petty AF and he (and SJP etc) need to stop.
It does seem like KC is not eager to rejoin what seems like a pretty toxic situation.
Jump when SJP says to, or else.
Yikes.
I also like the fact that Kim won’t do it just for the money, especially since she likely won’t ever get another role that would pay as much as a third SATC movie would.
It’s as if she actually values her time and dignity more than another paycheck! How much money do these people need? They already must get a ton of SATC royalties every year as it is. It just seems greedy at this point.
I was a huge SATC fan, but it’s done. I’ll happily watch reruns on a Saturday afternoon but there is no need whatsoever for a third movie FFS.
It is so petty that any chance left to actually have a SATC 3 has been torpedoed. It’s childish to bring all of it via social media as say go thru the private channel.. I believe Kim hates the cast, moved on because she might have thought she deserves to be paid as equal as SJP.. or maybe the truth is her truth : she is 60 she has no child she is barely in New York and thrives elsewhere and has zero friendship with her former cast and doesn’t want to look back .. I mean who knows what went behind the scene throughout SATC and SATC the movies..
Great comment. I watched SATC in my 30’s. I’d love to see how Kim’s character is now navigating her 60’s, as I’m about to be there myself. But instead, I’m pretty sure this shit show would just be more of Sam being 60, acting 30, and making a fool of herself and a joke out of Sam. Team Kim.
Kim is right to say no to a third movie. Her character arc in the second movie was freaking ridiculous, god knows what they wanted her to do in the third movie.
+1 She was a tremendously good sport already in going along with that awful character arc.
Oh leave Kim alone ffs! The first film was ok, the second was intolerable for a variety of reasons, none of them came out ok in that but Samantha, well I’m amazed Cattrall agreed to even do that, Samantha was painted as a totally racist caricature of an obnoxious American abroad, something which as someone with a lifetime in PR, she would never do. It felt like MPK and SJP decided to totally shit on Sam’s character. MPK has always failed to notice the glaring flaws in some of the episodes and the movies, SJP only recently admitted the second was a mess. She could have been negotiating then saw the script was basically screwing her over again and said, actually I dont need this shit
I always hated in the shows and movies how Carrie felt the need several times to point out Samantha was older than the rest or it was added to a piece of Sam’s dialogue.
Certainly did not sound like a very pleasant place to work. If other cast members are so pissed at Kim for not wanting to be in another movie( based on a successful television series that made them all very RICH!!) What must it have been like to work together all those years?
They all sound like a bunch of high school students upset at one girl because she backed out of having an evening of drinking peach schnapps and orange juice at her parent’s place while they are away.
That seems unnecessary.
Kim is allowed to say no. She should not be bullied into doing a job that she does not want to do.
If they are all so desperate to do this, why not do it without her? And why do they think the world needs this to begin with, the movies were terrible and no one needs another.
Willie has been tweeting from the beginning and I believe him…I just don’t see what reason he has to lie and start mess. It’s not his MO.
That’s why I believe him. He’s not petty nor malicious. And I think it’s foul how Kim turned it all on SJP.😞
Walk away, by all means, but not before detonating a bomb singularly towards this woman u dislike.👎
Even if it is true that she negotiated and then walked away, so what? What is wrong with a woman deciding her own worth/requirements and being prepared to walk away when they are not met? How does that make one toxic?
Also, even if he is telling the truth, what cause does he have to write nasty snippy messaged on twitter? Is it because he doesn’t have any other platform? Is he so very bitter because being a secondary character on SATC is his claim to fame, and without it there is no career or cash cow? Frankly he sounds bitter and bitchy.
And as far as I know, KC ‘detonated’ her ‘bomb’ in RESPONSE to rumours that had already been entered into the narrative by SJO etc. Come on, guys. Don’t normalize this shit – its not ok to gang up on a woman just because she doesn’t want to play with you.
Who said there was anything wrong with a woman deciding her own worth?
Kim could just own that, rather than sating she mecrr wanted to do it in the first place.
And what cause did Kim have to go on national television and throw the toxicity towards SJP. Garsin retaliating on twitter seems fair enough then.
C’mon, you’ve decided that SJP was the one who started this narrative against her, I wholly disagree and as I wrote earlier there are others who would have grievances on this to leak.
Kim can play the empowered woman who never wanted this and is now being bullied/shellacked by SJP on continous loop, not all of us are obligated to believe her. Seems it’s not do much’ganging’ up on a woman, is not the problem here, it’s just who you decide to gang up on.
@Amide lol okay……
How is he not petty? He’s been making passive aggressive comments towards KC all over twitter. That’s pretty petty considering he’s doing it publicly and won’t even mention her by name.
You got the dynamic right, but put “Kim” where “SJP” should be.
I’m disgusted with Sarah, Willie, Michael the director, and Kristen.
His reason is probably money. It’s far more potentially lucrative to be on Team SJP than Team Cattrall.
Come through, Stanford! Finish her!
Dear fans, I was counting on the paycheck.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
I’ve always liked SJP and stuck up for her in the past when people denigrated her looks but this whole petty, bullshit drama has soured me on her. I believe Kim. I believe they made her an offer, she said no and they kept coming back with more to try and sweeten the deal and she kept saying no. This is the negotiations they’re talking about.
And thank goodness she said no.
Yes… I think the rest of them are just looking for work…
Props to Kim for her Power of No. It’s her right.
Also, the movies were dumb & dumber, I don’t even know where they could have gone with a third one. KC is surely saving them, and us, further embarassment.
Finally, snarkiest part of me kinda feels like the others are enraged & bitter cuz they can’t get other work, and this is their cash cow. They can’t move on. Not a good look for them.
A) The fact that they keep coming after Kim is gross. She gets to choose what works for her and it sounds like they couldn’t reach a deal where she felt she would be getting fairly compensated. Good on her!
B) It legit seems like no one wanted this movie but SJP lol
@HelloSunshine: which is bizarre because I literally just saw a promo for the second season of SJP’s show on HBO.
She’s working steadily, so why is she so hung up on this movie happening??
When they made the guest film, I was an extra during 2 days of shooting. I had no idea the dynamics of the women beforehand. Basically when the director said cut, SJP and Kristen(?) would go off together like high school girls showing off in front of a crowd. Miranda lady (sorry I don’t know her real name) joined a little, she would at least stand with them, but seemed to ignore their antics. Kim was ALWAYS left out by herself. Every single time! And it was a huge scene with tons of people, everyone staring at these women ostracizing her. We all wound up feeling so bad for her. Can you imagine being 60 years old and dealing with that shit again? No thank you. Good for her.
I have read similar comments in other places too and it gave me that knot in my stomach from when I was the odd kid out at 13 years old and not part of “the gang”, nobody would want to work in the atmosphere if you did not have to. Team Kim.
That’s an interesting story. It seems like there is no good reason for Kim to just suck it up, play nice and make the movie when they were barely civil to her.
SJP thinks she is just always adorable. Ugh.
No wonder KC feels that way.
I’m surprised she was actually able to put up with it for so long.
@Marty: I am embarrassed for SJP after reading this. How ridiculously unprofessional. Even if she didn’t like Kim personally, she had to understand that Samantha’s character played a huge role in the show’s success, and as a producer, should have treated her with the respect she deserved.
Not to mention the fact that by the time the movie was filming, wouldn’t SJP have been in her late 40’s/early 50’s and a mother of three? What sort of example is she setting for her daughters by behaving this way so publicly?
Ugh, Team Kim.
It has been said SJP is passive aggressive. KC is a difficult person, but SJP leaked about her constantly so if she did it as a payback I wouldn’t be surprised.
Everyone knows if someone is the breakout it is best to be nice and placate them as long as they aren’t abusive. That is if you want to continue working with them because you have a hit, and they are essential for continued success. It is too toxic then part and move on with the understanding the gravy train is over, and that magic will never happen again.
Bands do the same thing, and then they all fail in the end. The ones who stick together last the longest like the Rolling Stones and U2.
Everything you wrote here is perfect
Wow, if that is the case I’m almost glad that these divas are showing their true colors now. They are only confirming the rumors that Cattrall was ostracized by the cast, and has a very good reason never to return to the SATC series. They are only vindicating her. Almost everywhere online people are Team Kim. Hope this really comes back to bite SJP and her friends. Not that she’s done any good shows or movies recently, but I have no interest in watching her projects again.
I’ve seen episodes of SATC but I was never really “into” it. I haven’t seen either movie. Not sure if there’s much of a market for one. That said, one of my favorite weird SNL sketches was Christina Aguilera’s perfect Samantha impression – I never not laugh when I think of it. She could sub in. I would make the effort to see it then.
I remember that. Christina’s impression was so dead on. She also did such a great job singing in the style of other singers like Cher, Britney and Shakira.
Without Kim doing the movie
It seems to be dead
It seems studio does not want to make the movie Carrie Ego venture
And SJP was probably counting on it to launch something new
And same with this guy
So end of the money, they are mad they r not getting the money and that is it, they are taking it out on the person who had the sense to protect her own interest over their money grabbing.
I’m team Kim on this one and I don’t care if she held them by their balls during the negotiations and then walked away. I don’t know what the script had in mind for the Samantha character, but it was probably hollow and unmeaning-full. She graciously suggested they recast Samantha or introduce a new character.
Well well, kitty likes to scratch. If this is what they’re like when they don’t get their way, I can only imagine what they were like to work with. I don’t blame her for saying no.
Kim has every right to demand more money especially if she half-heartedly wanted to do the third SATC. I want to be well compensated too for doing something embarrassing.
SJP is a nasty, bully.
And talentless. Hope Kim exposes her for what she really is.
I was not a fan of the show and therefore couldn’t care less about the movies. But it seems to me that there is probably a lot of blame to go around. While I think that Sarah Jessica Parker is orchestrating a bit of a smear campaign, I also suspect Kim Cattrall isn’t the easiest person to get along with.
SJP and her cronies are coming off like a bunch of bullies at this point. Why would KC want to work with people who act like this? The SATC movies were awful. The first was bad and the second was offensive, culturally insensitive and atrocious. Samantha’s character was horribly written in both movies. Are they all so desperate for a payday? This seems to be a huge ego thing for SJP. Also, even though it’s an ensemble and Carrie’s the least interesting character, she gets the top billing, biggest payday and creative control. No wonder KC isn’t interested. Who cares if she negotiated for 6 months? She could have negotiated for a year. It’s her right to walk away if she isn’t happy with the project. She’s fantastic in the show Sensitive Skin and probably the best actor of the bunch of them. Why should she do another crappy movie, nobody wants to see?
I think you said it: “desperate for a payday.”
Obviously Willie wants a check. Too bad. Kim doesn’t want to do another film. It’s her right.
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@Barrett: I get why Willie Garson would have been counting on this as a payday, but SJP and her husband are swimming in money. It makes her look so disgustingly greedy to be pushing this so hard. How much damn money does she need??
Throughout the shows last seasons and the negotiations for the first two films, SJP and co. were always acting like Kim was a nightmare-ish demanding diva for even suggesting she was worth more than she was being paid.
With all this drama, they’re just showing she was completely right to expect more money. If they can’t find a way to do another film without her, then she’s obviously extremely important and valuable to the franchise.
I mean, she’s even come out and said it’s totally cool with her if they replace her or recast her or kill her off, something actors never do, and yet they apparently still don’t think they can get this movie made without her involvement. I bet they can’t get anything greenlit without her.
If everyone has a problem with Kim, is it possible that she is truly the problem and not everyone else? Yes, it’s absolutely juvenile but they all worked closely together for years and if she made everything difficult, I can totally understand why no one likes her.
Then why wouldn’t they be happily going on to film without her?
EXACTLY. They don’t like her, but want her to spend months making a movie?! Who would want to do that?
I mean, Kim ABSOLUTELY has a reputation as being awful to work with and has since the dawn of her career. I don’t doubt it but then just…leave her alone? Samantha is not a particularly well rounded or interesting character so couldn’t they just introduce someonbe better? Even KC said they should do that.
I totally understand what you’re saying. I feeel like the rest of the cast and crew loves the show and wanted to give the fans another movie and I don’t know if it would be complete without Kim. She’s an OG of SATC. I would watch any movie or spinoff b/c I love the show so much. I feel like they could pull off one more movie without Kim but it definitely wouldn’t be as successful as the ones before it.
KC is difficult, but at this point, they all know this, so they either accept this and get paid or don’t and expose you have nothing without her. Samantha’s character had some of the funniest moments in the show, and she was loved by many because of KC. I don’t think the show would have lasted as long without her. Carrie couldn’t carry it alone. Samantha added the crazy to it that played off the others.
The movies aren’t good enough for KC to go through it again if she doesn’t want to and everyone has the right to say No anytime they want to.
Yes, I’ve been reading that she is “difficult”, but I’m really not sure how? Just because she demands a more lucrative contract? Or because of her behavior on set? Anyway, I get the feeling that even if Cattrall is difficult, SJP is no better. My gut feeling tells me that SJP is a passive aggressive mean girl who still tries to pull off the Carrie character as her public persona.
KC may be a nightmare to work with but the leaking and Twitter shade are worse. Who could blame KC for clapping back? It makes SJP and her cronies look petty, greedy and vindictive. By shading KC, Willie is giving the story at least one more day of play and it’s not KC who comes out looking bad.
I agree, Carey. Go on record with an interview with your name and face if you want to call someone out by name for what they apparently did or didn’t do during private contract negotiations. They crossed the line with the leak that started this all, and so Team Kim all the way.
Team Kim – SJP can go EFF herself
TEAM KIM 100%
I heard similar things. it just always seemed that sho was jealous of Kim’s popularity. Samantha was the break out character and very popular, while the others were various shades of blah.
Carrie was hugely popular. And Miranda was simply amazing. I loved her flawed character. I loved Samantha. But this show was great because of the chemistry between the characters and how different they all were..
Was a script ever shown to Cattrall? The writing for the first two movies was so bad, I could see how the script itself would have made her say no.
Because everyone wanted another dumpster fire of a SATC movie that sh*t on everything we liked about the series. Thank god someone had the sense to try and put it out of its misery.
They aren’t persecuting Chris Noth for refusing to appear. As Carrie’s husband, it would be odd if he wasn’t there at all.
If they’re so frantic about this life-or-death movie, do it with Carrie divorced and Samantha is gone because she married Smith and left them for good.
Then Carrie can pretend to be young and single again with men panting to be with her.
SJP is disgusting for her behind-the-scenes manipulation of this story.
Exactly. Chris Noth was nonexistent in the last one. These movies are about the adoration of designer clothes and shoes. SJP has a shoe line seeeew…Michael Patrick King and SJP can do a new series without Samantha on the home shopping channel called Sex and my NewShoe Collection.
@Savasana Lotus: “Sex and my New Shoe Collection”
😂
Chris said he never said he refused to appear. Just that he hadn’t been contacted yet about being in the movie.
If they really wanted to do justice to the characters why not do a tv series again like will and grace.
Great idea! You are right. Not that I am on board but it does seem like a better idea.
Thank You, that is exactly what I was thinking. TV is where most of the inventive script writing are these days and doing a TV show would be a much better way to go, they could really flesh out the characters, story development and not have to rush a bunch of junk into a film.
If you “obviously didn’t want to do it” then why negotiate for 6 months? That’s not obvious. That’s stringing people along for half a year.
Negotiating for 6 months can simply mean saying no to a few offers. It doesn’t mean they were going back and forth constantly agonising over contracts for 6 months.
The first anyone had heard of a third film in years was when the story it wouldn’t be happening broke. This was not a film about to start full pre-production, this was a film in the very early stages.
Exactly. They were most likely sending her offers and scripts to try and entice her. Her looking them over doesn’t mean she was actively negotiating with them.
Yeah the negotiating for six months is actually totally in line with Kim’s timeline. They made her offers, she said no. That is negotiating. They may have thought it would lead somewhere and didn’t think that her no meant no but that is on them not her if they pulled together a crew thinking she would change her mind.
No it isn’t. We don’t know what they offered her or how. If she thought that the script was bad and they weren’t paying her enough, she isn’t “stringing people along”. Just because she may have had discussions with the studio, doesn’t mean she was interested either. I’ve been approached by head-hunters, while happy at my current job and chosen not to take the offer they presented. Negotiation doesn’t equal obligation to accept.
@ Sarah B, Thank you! I totally agree. Again, there’s nothing wrong with negotiating. Just don’t try & sell the narrative that you said “no” from the beginning. It’s disingenuous at best.
Remember, you can say no, and yet your manager might be still testing the water without informing you until he/she has a surprise for you to consider. Happens more often than you’d imagine.
Movie negotiations can go on for YEARS. That doesn’t mean it was a day-to-day thing.
6 months is nothing in terms of a Hollywood studio contract.
This.
While I support Kim’s right to defend herself in the press, the other side can do the same. I don’t see why people are so getting up in arms that Willie feels the need to defend himself.
Is he one of the producers? Just curious.
He wasn’t defending himself, he inserted himself into the drama by making passive aggressive comments on twitter. He thought he could jump on the blame Kim bandwagon SJP started and he got called out for it.
Kim is stating that she was never interested and implying that she is being smeared out of spite. He is rebutting what she directly said.
I think because it’s obvious he’s SJP’s mouthpiece here since she doesn’t have the guts to say it herself. She has to keep the cute, silly, fun loving Carrie image in public.
He’s not a major character- why is it his business to comment or even know about someone else’s private dealings with the filmmakers?
I don’t think so. Lets look at what we’ve seen from both sides.
Kim says she has said from the get-go that she was not interested, that the other side is ridiculous.
But… the other side is saying that negotiations were active, and far enough along that the movie was ready to shoot. They got together a crew, people were working, the process was going. If that’s true, there is a whole list of people who are pissed off about this. People who thought they were going to have a job, only to have it fall through at the last minute. Implying that someone is unhappy only because of Sarah Jessica Parker is a little silly.
Kim Cattrall has the right to choose what job she wants to take, and I support her right to walk away and say “no” for whatever reason or to hold out for more money. But something isn’t adding up here. And the idea that she’s only negotiating to get a feel for what she’s worth? That doesn’t make sense for it to have gotten that far along.
@Bridget: that makes sense.
But if that’s the case, why not make the movie without Kim? It would be incredibly easy to write her out, and I think lots of fans would be thrilled for Jennifer Hudson’s character to return with a larger role (I know I would).
I liked Samantha, and she was an integral part of the original series, but her character isn’t *critical* to this movie being made, if so many people are (apparently) depending on it for an income. That’s not on Kim.
Besides, she flat-out said she thinks they should recast or write her character out. I don’t think too many actors would have the confidence/graciousness to make that statement.
The whole thing just doesn’t really add up.
If she’s unhappy at what she would be paid for the movie, I understand that. Hell, I support her decision not to do the movie if she doesn’t want to. But I don’t get all the walking back and forth here, nor do I get why either side must be right or wrong because they’re perceived to be a bitch or something like that. You know?
What Bridget said. And I apologize, I haven’t following this story, but where did SJP call KC out ? I can’t find it. If someone could link me, that would be great.
KC absolutely can say “No”. However, if she said “No” at the outset and made it clear she was done, why would there be negotiations for 6 months? Negotiations to me implies that there is a back and forth dialogue where two parties try to work a deal out.
SJP must be broke because she seems desperate to get another terrible SATC movie made
So Kim withdrawing shut down the entire project? I didn’t know she was SO POWERFUL.
This!
If they were really at the point where they were ready to start production, it is kind of a big deal to have to re-write the entire movie.
Except they wouldn’t be at the point where they were about to start production if they hadn’t yet signed one of the core actors.
The idea that this film was just about to go into production is nonsense. If it was, don’t you think the trades would have been aware of it’s existence before this week. It’s been 3-4 years since there was even a hint a third film might be a serious proposition. From the sounds of it all they’ve got now is a script and verbal confirmation that many of the actors want to do it. That’s still a long, long way from production.
Deals werein place for the other principals without being announced, though.
Yeah, I work in film production and I can tell you, as someone who gets lists of every IATSE production that’s in some stage of production, from prep to post, there’s no way this was even close to going to camera. It hasn’t appeared on any union lists so far.
A show like this would definitely use the same crew each time so there probably were a lot of people who worked on the show and films who were in the early stages of negotiations or being told to hold space in their schedule for a potential start date. I could see how being told that the show is now off could ruffle a bunch of feathers.
But, like Kate said above, if your production money hinges on one of the principal actors returning and you don’t have a signed deal with that person, you’re just not going to be that deeply into development because your money isn’t secured.
Also, it’s generally an actor’s agent who does the negotiating so how do we know Kim’s agent wasn’t discussing terms on her behalf to see how good a deal they could get, even though Kim had said she didn’t want to do it. The agent gets a percentage so maybe they thought if they got a good enough deal, it would sway Kim and then they could get themselves some more of that sweet, sweet SATC money?
I’m not saying that they were starting tomorrow, but the OP was implying that it was super easy to make a major change like that. Take Mission Impossible 3 as a great example – when they had to make big cast changes early in the production process, the entire thing fell apart and they essentially had to go back to the drawing board. Fundamentally changing the story (and I just can’t picture them re-casting) isn’t easy.
Sure but you mentioned above “if they were really at the point where they were ready to start production” and I’m just clarifying that they were nowhere near starting production. Like, they’re months away, if they even have a secure start date. It’s most likely that they were shooting for “Spring 2018” or something vague like that so their regular crew could aim to be off whatever else they’re working on in time.
They’re likely still in the development stage. This is the point when they usually do make major script changes if they need to – and yes, writing out a main character is of course, a major change. But, if the whole show has gone down, it probably means that whoever is funding the film will only do it if all four principal actors are attached.
I’m going off of what all the major players are saying, which is that they’re about to start. Considering that the last 2 movies were released in May, it’s not absurd to think they’re trying to go for a quick turnaround to stake out a May 2018 release – which would put your filming estimate of Spring to be way too late.
Welp, then they were planning to shoot it without a union crew because it hasn’t been on any IATSE production lists – even as a production designated as “rumoured.” And since past SATC crews have been union I really doubt they’re somehow throwing together a non-union production so they can, after all these years, rush out a product no one is clamouring for.
Maybe the “major players” hoped to be in production soon and that’s what they’re talking about to garner sympathy in their beef with Kim or to back her into a corner or whatever. But them going to camera before the end of the year is clearly not the reality because getting so close to production without hiring crew, without there being a whisper in the industry about the project being in prep, or locking down one of your four leads who may or may not activate your major financing is…just not how it works.
I don’t believe there was any real project here. I believe that some of these players think that they might be able to rouse some groundswell of public support that might entice an investor and maybe still think they can. But this is a dumb project. The films were terrible. The demographic is wrong for a theatre feature. You can watch the series 12 times a day. Meh.
Who is the audience for watching these rich, white one percenters complain about their shoe closets and room service champagne? So over.
Another film industry peep here! I’ll back up Kate and Sugar. They were not about to start happily shooting another one of these stinkers and then KC suddenly double-crossed them and put all of these poor people out of work.
No one knew of this third film until the cast started squabbling and that’s unheard of in an industry where everyone knows everyone else’s business. A big production about to start shooting would have already been on production lists and crewed up and would be a known thing in the industry. The other two definitely were.
If SJP and her team are saying they were about to start filming, they’re totally lying to force KC’s hand.
All of what you’re saying may be the case here, but, isn’t SJP the main character and star? Yet Kim saying “no” has given the whole project massive publicity it didn’t have last week. BEHOLD HER POWER/;).
It’s so Samantha Jones of her!
Apparently, I am the lone voice in the dark who would be up for SATC 3.
I know the movies suck and I don’t even care.
Lol same, tbh. And I never liked Samantha so I’m bummed that they won’t do it without her but I get their reasons.
@ KS, I’m with you. You are not alone.
I would have wanted it if they hadn’t botched the second movie so badly. The first movie tied up some loose ends and was done in the spirit of the series, I thought. SATC2 was so slapped together, so ugly to look at.
@KS: you’re not alone — as a fan of the series, I would definitely go see the third movie, just for the escapism and nostalgia. Even though I would know going in that it would probably be pretty bad, it would also be comforting in some way, especially considering the world we live in now.
But I also don’t think there’s that much interest. Until these articles started appearing, I don’t think many people were hoping for or even thinking about a third film.
I agree with you about the gang up on Kim. Why does everyone kiss SJP a**? It was like that on the show. EVERY character worshiped Carrie and had to mention that she was their “best friend”. Puke. Let it go ladies. Enough already.
At the end of the day actors are independent contractors. I have no problem with them seeing what the market will bear as far as reading scripts and seeing what money might be offered. Why would you slag someone for that. It’s not all artistic merit ho-ha, a person can judge a project by both money and script. Team Kim.
Didn’t something like this happened with the second movie? Kim didn’t want to do it. It came out that she was the holdout. I always kinda felt like she was bullied to do the second movie. Maybe they’re just trying the same technique.
My two cents…what if the script killed Samantha off? SJPs description of the script sounded like there might be a tragedy. So Kim wanted to be paid because it was a Samantha storyline. Plus an opportunity to carry on in other movies at Warner. She did the right thing. No matter what her reasons. She’s paid her dues. Besides, it would take a really sweet deal to reprise that character. AGAIN. They made her look like a fool in the last one. So stupid.
The problem is Kim said she said “no” from the beginning. That’s the issue. If you negotiate for 6 months (if that is true), then you weren’t saying no from the beginning. You were playing games.
It’s fine if she doesn’t want to do the movie. But don’t claim she said no from the start & then something else later.
Why is it assumed that they are all “ganging” up on Kim?
^^ This. I wish I would read down, I just said the same thing. I totally agree with you. The only person I have seen call anyone out by name is KC.
The absolute outrage against SJP and blind devotion to KC is a little confusing. I’ve always heard KC is difficult. I don’t have anything invested in the outcome, but the response is so OTT. And the calling out of greed of the actors. Maybe they have plenty of dough, but the largest number of people impacted – the crew – may not. Maybe that’s a big concern if the actors have worked with a lot of the same crew and feel some responsibility toward them.
Negotiating is not the same this as playing games at all. Negotiations of all kinds are unsuccessful all the time out in the real world. These people need to move on.
That is how I see it.
They are acting like this is rare, and it is not. Maybe they are counting on the public not realizing how not unusual it is to have complicated negotiations. I have a list of people I wouldn’t work with again if they doubled the money. If I had to schlep my butt somewhere, prepare and miss my family, it would take a lot in the first place but throw in a person I can’t stand then saying No is easy.
She could have said “I don’t want to do another movie, but sure let me know what you are willing to pay.” And MAYBE she would have changed her mind if the paycheck would have been big enough. KC would not have been the first actress (actors included) to do a movie they didn’t want to do, but were convinced by a paycheck. Actors/actresses make stupid movies for money only all the time. So, what the producers were willing to offer could not convince KC and she finally said ‘No’.
What does Willie Garson (a secondary character on the show) even know about the willingness and negotiations of other actors involved? Why are people assuming he knows exactly what was going on between Kim and producers? Because SJP fed him information? Well that could have been a very one sided source.
“The problem is Kim said she said ‘no’ from the beginning. That’s the issue.”
— No, that’s not the issue at all. The issue is they took private contract negotiations and turned it into a media storm with unattributable leaks while calling out Kim C by name. Why shouldn’t Kim C come out and say she always said no since 2016? Lying is not great, but she didn’t choose to make it a slanderous media storm because she didn’t like the negotiation and the outcome.
No one signed on the dotted line. No resources should have been committed.
You’re meant to play hardball in negotiations. I did a negotiation course for professional development and the standard practice is PLAY HARDBALL because it’s asymmetric information on all sides.
Bottom line is this should not have been leaked. If they didn’t like it, go on record as an attributable source and call Kim C out by name.
It was an underhanded play, and the wider ramification is if you play hardball during a negotiation – like everyone is meant to, to look out for their own interests – as a celebrity, you could be subject to damaging public leaks if the other side don’t like how you played.
N O o n e w a n t s t o s e e t h i s m o v i e. S T O P ! ! !
I think they are ruining their legacy with the public pettiness and in-fighting. SJP’s passive aggressive comment started this. She knew exactly what she was doing. I’m Team Kim!
@Ozogirl ITA about ruining the legacy.
The last episode of the series was perfect, and they should have left it at that, IMO.
The first movie managed to be pretty good, and leaving it at that ending would have been okay too.
But the second movie was terrible and at this point they all look bad for continuing to drag this out (into 2018?!) and people will start to forget how great the show actually was back in the day.
Man, people here really hate SJP. Funny how everyone else managed to get along with each other except for Kim. She must love Taylor Swift because she has the “victim” act lock. Kim is, and always has been, bitter that everything she did outside of SATC flopped hard and she wasn’t the focus of everyone’s attention. She seems like a hardcore injustice collecter.
If that’s the case, and I’m not saying it’s not, why would they want to work with her again? Is the money worth it?
Exactly! Either deal or don’t.
I get a strong feeling that the other people were fine with kissing SJP’s ass and therefore, “got along” with her better.
I think these people have confused ‘being friends’ with ‘being collegues’.
Kim can say no to whatever job she wants to say no to!
All this because Kim doesn’t want to do another crappy satc film. Good grief .
OMG, these people should really get over themselves.
NOBODY is shedding tears over this.
We don’t want another embarrassing SATC movie.
Maybe if you all spoke kindly, KC might change her mind and do SaTC3.
Ugh!! I know people this catty and it ticks me off. Talking publically about people on FB (peasants celebrity version of the media ) but not to their faces. I hate public bashing to friends. It is low and trashy.
Sit your adult-age ass down and grow up. Pfft!!
SJP has young kids and needs the pay cheque. Kim doesn’t. Gay Best Friend likely needs a cheque as well. Give it a rest. Nobody cares about these hacks, do they?
I was thinking the same as well. Cattrall is older and childless. She has plenty of money to retire comfortably and do whatever she wants for the next 10-15 years before she officially retires from acting. The rest of the cast have more reason to continue SATC because they are younger and have children. SJP leads a more lavish and high profile lifestyle in NYC, and has three young children to take care of. Even the 1% need to keep making money to live well and raise a family in NYC. Garson as well. I doubt he is bringing in the dough consistently. I guess when you are desperate for cash, you are more likely to lash out at the one person who is keeping you from that lucrative paycheck and a house in the Hamptons.
Petticoat Junction got by without Aunt whoever when she died in real life (going back to the 60’s). The mom died IRL on Eight is Enough, and they carried on. Aunt Viv was replaced. Charlie was killed off AND replaced on Two and a Half Men. My point? Life changes, and so can the movies. If they want to do it and KC doesn’t, then off her character and move on. This is getting ridiculous. And I remain Team Kim.
Because Kim has had a terrific, busy and vibrant career over the past decade and Willie Garson has done….What, exactly? He’s a talented guy who works, but he’s never hit the heights he had as HBO’s favorite Gay Best Friend.
This is slimy junior high behavior at best.
As Kim herself said — do the movie anyway. They spent the last few seasons of the show making her look as ridiculous as possible, so I’m sure they could open at Samantha’s funeral, where Carrie will joyfully recount the horrid, painful and embarrassing way she died.
Move on. The movies are destroying the memory of a truly landmark and amazing series.
As someone said upthread, I would bet that it had to be all four women or nothing. A movie with only Carrie, Charlotte and Miranda would be a snooze fest. Samantha was a great contrast to them–older, not interested in marriage, confident and gorgeous. The series would be too domesticated without her.
I do love Miranda, but Samantha was the most interesting and groundbreaking character (until they turned her into a caricature): a woman in her early 40s and as you said not interested in marriage, confident and gorgeous. Samantha was sexual without being damaged or looking for love in the wrong places. She just enjoyed Sex. The four women needed each other as a contrast to work but I guess no one thought that Samantha would be the break out character. Sure SJP got all the press and magazine covers, but when people talk about the show today, most will tell you how annoying Carrie is and how much they love Samantha.
Love how he is trying to dis her, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the situation he just described. Actually, the way he described her, she sounds like kind of a bad ass!
The truth is somewhere in the middle, but the whole thing reeks. KC said no. She gets to do that. Maybe she did string them along, maybe they kept trying to convince her and she took those calls half heartedly but without eagerness or closure, But she said no, Again, she gets to do that.
Hey they could as many have said written her out with a breast cancer resurgence death but you know, I know, they know, and she knows a SATC movie without KC won’t make a dime and is worth less in all the monetary accoutrements. I’d go see a third movie no matter how shitty…..but not without KC.
She made that show famous, SJP got way more credit for the success than she deserved. That show without K.C would not have been as successful.
Presumably, they wanted another S&TC payday, got their hopes up & when it came down to it, Kim didn’t want to play. It’s understandable that they would be disappointed, but there’s no need to guilt trip her publicly about it. That’s too far.
Also, I get the impression that the more they protest & speak about how disappointed they are, the more people feel a need to remind them that the first two films, uh, . . . weren’t great. So they might want to lay off Kim now.
SJP can’t get the movie made without KC? Ouch.
If we are begging for an HBO series to movie project can it please be True Blood?
We already had SATC 3. Years ago. It was called the Golden Girls. A show that was a lot better than either of the SATC movies. The cast should be happy Kim put a stake in SATC’s heart.
You warm my heart by mentioning the Golden Girls. I love them so much. I enjoyed SATC a lot during it’s original run, but I would pick the GG over SATC on any day.
I think the box office would have been poor.
I watched Bridget Jones Baby, and it got decent critics’ reviews. Nope. I thought it was sad these characters trying to milk it again when there’s no milk left, and didn’t work, and it never should have been made. Hugh Grant made the right decision. The first Bridget Jones movie will always be magic, though.
I really admire Kim. SATC 1 & 2 were positively cringeworthy. Refusing to embarrass oneself over an easy cash grab shows integrity and class.
I think we need to start a #I’mwithkim campaign. I’m so disappponted on all of her former coworkers for piling on. Frack them! She has every right to say no, and I don’t blame her. Let’s be real neither movie was great, the second being a steaming pile of garbage and the show lost it’s luster in season three. Stick a fork it in, it’s done. Time to move on.
Completely agree with you. So every actor negotiating a job better look out for damaging leaks if the other side doesn’t agree with the outcome and the terms you offered? This is really bad behaviour and looks like it’s backfiring on the perpetrators. Kim didn’t do anything wrong. She didn’t greenlight it, sign the contract, have the movie start shooting, and then pull out and cause people to lose their jobs.
For all we know, she was always completely reluctant and maybe kept the door open just a crack, and raised the possibility having other projects financed as the only way she could possibly be motivated to do a likely disastrous third film.
I cannot believe that ANYONE would put money into this after STAC2. One of the worst films ever made. The demographic is wrong for theatres and merchandising fashion or beauty products. That just doesn’t make sense.
No means no
I’ve said it before and I will say it again. I don’t believe Kim. She claims she was always a firm no from the beginning. Yet this movie was days away from when principal photography was supposed to begin and was canceled due to her pulling out. If she was a definite no from the beginning, there is no way that things would have gotten that far without extensive negotiations taking place at a minimum. There had to an understanding that a deal was close and Kim used it to try and wrangle extras when she knew the producers had over committed. Not to mention she has always been known for being difficult and a diva in productions.
Where’s the lawsuit against Kim if you’re correct? If she signed on the dotted line and kickstarted the production, where’s the liability, because they certainly wouldn’t hesitate to sue her if they could.
She didn’t turn this into a media circus. They chose to drag her name through the rags precisely because she never committed and so they can’t do anything legally against her.
Did she lead them on? Did she negotiate in a tough way? We’ll never know. And why should we know about the details of a private commercial contract negotiation?
But like anyone in a negotiation, she would have been right to play hardball and look out for her interests, with total freedom to choose yes or no before signing on the dotted line. That’s a fundamental principle of commercial dealings. People have complete freedom to choose. This threat of damaging public leaks after the fact is detrimental to freedom of contract for people working in the entertainment field.
She has a right to defend her own name. I’ll give her a complete pass on lying about saying no since 2016 since she wasn’t the one who chose to ignite this “issue” in public.
I’m not sure what’s so difficult about “I don’t believe Kim’s story” to understand. I just don’t believe her based both on her own story and the things others involved have said. The existence or absence of a lawsuit has no bearing. There could be a myriad of reasons for no lawsuit…(1) the “breach”, if one occurred, was just a couple of days ago so it would be awfully quick to sue, (2) there may have been no signed contract (actually this has been my assumption from the beginning…I’ve only expressed doubt about Kim’s claim that she was a definite no), (3) Kim may not have particularly deep pockets to sue even if there was a written contract and (4) many people choose not to sue even when they have the legal right for far too many reasons to list here, including the cost, stress and disruption that lawsuits bring. People throwing out “But there’s no lawsuit!” as if that’s a slam-dunk rebuttal don’t really understand the realities of litigation and it’s not a persuasive counter-argument to me.
I have a legal background and I understand the complexities of / the reluctance to proceed to litigation.
My original point about there being no legal action was rhetorical, and it was point out the fact it’s clear they never signed on the dotted line so why are they giving her hell in public for negotiating in a tough manner? Why are they leaking to the effect the production was all ready to get going and Kim Cattrall ruined everything?
Like I said, I don’t care if she fudged the truth by saying she said no starting in 2016. The other side chose to leak accusations against her. She can fudge it a little or a lot here in my book.
Aside, on point (2), no one sensible would rely on an oral contract in this type of commercial situation so this is a strange, strange point to make. Point (3), you don’t have to sue for money. If you have a legal background, surely you’d be aware courts can order for contract performance and/or something like a public declaration.
I still say the truth is in the middle somewhere. Sometimes people have their own perspective, and it doesn’t mean anyone is a hundred percent right and someone else is a hundred percent wrong. It’s just their perspective.
I hate to see this public sniping. I really do. I loved these four women and their friendship on the show. I don’t want a new movie. Although, I would go see it. I don’t want a new TV show either. Although, it is better suited for HBO. I just don’t want my memories tarnished of this show.
No. This film was not days away from production. All of the people saying this obviously have no experience working in the film industry.
There is no investor, be it studio or private, that would put money towards a major production like this and let it get to the point where they were about to start shooting without having one of the four main actors signed. It would not happen. There’s too much money at stake. Shutting down a film that has already gone through pre-production is a majorly big deal so anyone putting up the money would make sure they had all their bases covered before moving to that step.
There’s a script and maybe even a development team in place but if they were still negotiating with Kim just a couple months ago, as SJP’s side seems to be saying, it’s ridiculous to believe that they’d just trundle along and be ready to start filming even though Kim was not a firm yes.
P.S. You say “difficult” and “diva” and I hear “badass who’s not afraid to speak her mind.”
Maybe she’s grumpy or not the friendliest, or maybe she just doesn’t put up with nonsense and that rubs people the wrong way. Who cares? Her on set demeanor has no bearing on this situation because she’s still allowed to say no to something she doesn’t want to do.
There are lots of actors who aren’t super friendly on set but somehow it’s only the women who get called names because of it. Dudes are just method or very serious about their craft.
People Magazine is describing SATC 3 as “in development” and saying that they hadn’t even approached Chris Noth yet because the project isn’t far enough along.
So, they’re nowhere near principal photography which means KC was negotiating (or not, depending on who you believe) during the time that people normally negotiate.
no deal is closed until the contract is signed. why would you say that Kim is difficult and known for being a diva? would you use the same terms to describe a man negotiating? what about Daniel Craig and James Bond? he received a lot of extra money for being “difficult”
I’m happy to label some men difficult if you’d like? I’ve done it before and bound to do it again I think I would label Daniel Craig as difficult. Women are not immune to the label due to our sex.
I still would’ve gone to see a third movie, although the 2nd one super sucked. I have all seasons on dvd and the first movie too. Totally Kim’s right to say NO, what if the script was more of the same rubbish from the 2nd movie? At least we’ll always have those awesome and hilarious Sam moments from the show. No one can say KC didn’t do an amazing job with that character. I always identified more with Charlotte, but wouldn’t it be great to be Samantha Jones for a day?
Anyone remember the scene at the vegan restaurant with Smith and all the other women that were solely there to get with him?
“You put up a good fight, honey, but you have no idea who you’re dealing with. I’m going home with him, and you’re going home with key lime custard”.
And she always managed to make the character lovable, always a badass.
For this and countless other funny moments from the show, I’ll always love KC. Plus, my favorite Aunt really does look like her.
Wow a lot of mean girling by purported mature adults. You know what? Kim Cattrall never signed a contract. She can negotiate and change her mind. No promises were broken. For those two to act like Kim killed someone’s livelihood is disengenious.
By the way this isn’t the first franchise Kim said no to. She said no to the Police Academy sequels too. Yeah I’m old enough to remember Kim in that movie!
You’re right about the Police Academy movies! She said no to the Mannequin sequel too. I also think she said no to the Porky’s sequels?
So, she has a history of choosing her integrity over a truckload of cash.
That second film was racist vile trash and Kim is smart to no longer be associated with these films. And yes there is an aspect of mean girl bullying that I find rather pathetic considering that these are all grown women – and men. And Willie Garson is mad because he has nothing else going on in his career.