Michael Shannon can find ‘more excuses’ for serial killers than Trump voters

Tara Subkoff

Michael Shannon plays George Westinghouse in The Current War, which is why he scored the November cover of Esquire. Unfortunately, Michael probably won’t be doing much promotion for TCW, especially given the fact that it was produced by The Weinstein Company and now everything the company touches is radioactive (plus the film is no longer being released in November). So enjoy this, what will probably be Michael Shannon’s only in-depth interview to support this film. You can read the full piece here – it is magnificent, because he is magnificent. He invited the Esquire reporter to his home on the Fourth of July, where he and his partner Kate Arrington were hosting a party. The details are amazing, like Michael has a go-to Hawaiian shirt for parties and the only time he looked genuinely happy was when he was talking to his daughters. Some highlights:

He has a difficult time not worrying about the country & the world: “I think the most terrible, awful things,” he confesses before giving me a list: The environment is screwed; the iPhone is a narcotic; the sheeple can’t control their own brains. When he tells me that “a catastrophe is approaching,” he sounds eerily like his possibly prophetic.

On politics: “It’s simple: The Republican party has zero compassion for human life.” And: “The people who voted for Mitch McConnell have sh-t for brains. I have no interest in understanding them. I don’t care if they see my movies or my shows.” And: “I can find more excuses for what Richard Kuklinski did”—a real-life Mafia hitman with a body count in the hundreds who led a double life as a family man, and whom Shannon played in The Iceman (2013)—“than I can for people who voted for Trump.”

He feels like his job is silly sometimes: “Considering the state of the world, I cannot do stuff right now that feels silly… I can’t quite square the silliness… It’s hard not to feel silly. If I was told, ‘We’re not making movies anymore,’ I’d be fine.”

Fatherhood: When Shannon became a father—or, as he describes it, “when it was thrust upon me”—he felt thoroughly unprepared. Between his untethered youth and his vagabond adulthood, “I didn’t think parenting was in my skill set,” he says. Before meeting Arrington, he never thought he’d have children at all. “Because of the course our civilization is on, I’d been afraid to bring a human life into it. Some people say, ‘That’s a cop-out. Every generation feels that way.’ For me, it was genuine.”

His daughter Sylvie had a health crisis while he was working on Boardwalk Empire. He hated acting at that point, and “I wasn’t a huge fan of that period of the show. It had already gotten perfunctory.” In that moment, “I never cared less about work in my life,” Shannon says. “I was like, ‘What are my lines? Can I go now?’ ” He clarifies that he didn’t let his ambivalence get in the way of his performance. “I know how to fake it like any good hooker.”

His prophecy of a damaged nation: “Whoever the president is—Obama or Clinton or f–king Abraham Lincoln—people get frustrated. If you think kicking out Trump will make anything different, you’re off your rocker.”

Debating the ethics of consuming meat. “Cows are dumb. They’re meant to be eaten.”

[From Esquire]

Since I feel similarly about the state of America, I don’t judge Michael Shannon for anything he says here. Recently, CB and Hecate were making some scheduling plans for weeks in advance, and I realized something: I stopped making plans. I’m living day by day with that pit at the bottom of my stomach, watching catastrophe after catastrophe unfold. It’s actually started to bother me that more people aren’t behaving like me and Michael Shannon. F–k this world.

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Cover courtesy of Esquire, additional photos courtesy of WENN.

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  1. lala says:

    Cows are not dumb. They are gentle, and funny, and play like puppies. Cow cuddles are also amazing.

    • rahrahroey says:

      Cows are amazing! Not dumb at all! But everything else I agree with.

      • Rose says:

        They are amazing!

        And they taste great

      • Lynnie says:

        Rose omg!!! 💀💀💀💀💀 I’m dead

      • Cranberry says:

        Ahh, Rose.
        They do taste great, but they’ll probably give you heart disease if you eat too much.

      • Tara says:

        @Rahra: I second that. He’s obviously not paid much attention to cows, nor the meat industry ‘S impact on the environment. Everything else, I second.

      • Sixer says:

        Tara – yes, I eat beef on occasion but I do acknowledge that the amount of water cattle need and the ways in which they are “farmed” is a not insignificant factor in the environment being screwed.

        (Even so, love Shannon).

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Cranberry – and colon cancer.

        Sigh.

      • shlockOftheNEw says:

        Right, the lying beef industry telling us to consume more than is biologically imperative. Let anyone realize cows are sentient beings, no less than the dogs/cats we pamper. I like his snark about Trump, but anyone who is just hateful to be hateful is tiring- if he is an arbiter of “taste” why is he hanging on to cow jokes and teased bangs? Dude. Go vegan and go bald- you’re welcome.

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      They’re not dumb, but gentle… noooo! Apart from having had a relative killed by a cow, we also had the garden devastated by them a couple of times (we have been living rural for years. great but… having cows as neighbours is the downside!).
      So they are far from ‘gentle’. They’re huge and they’re like Attila: if they see a greener grass elsewhere they won’t stop at nothing, destroying everything in their wake…

      Anyway… I love Shannon!

    • Angela82 says:

      While I love eating beef (extra rare lol) I wouldn’t say cows are necessarily dumb. Some dogs are f*cking dumb and no one thinks to eat them in this country. I think some of the farming is problematic when people consume too much animal products but It was a weird comment lol….

  2. Hella says:

    I don’t know who he is, but I thought all his quotes were really cute and funny. Esp “I know how to fake it like any good hooker.” and “Cows are dumb.” These quips, delivered in concert with the powerful and intelligent things he said, made for a great interview.

  3. Ally says:

    “A mafia hitman” would be more accurate in the headline than “serial killers”, I think. Nice bombastic statement, but disrespectful to the dead and the terrorized families of the victims of that hitman.

    I think he was referring to his ability as an actor to relate to the character’s motivations, but yeah, still a dumb thing to say.

    • Angela82 says:

      I thought it was interesting to compare Trump and his supporters to a hitman b/c my dad always talks about how trump is straight up mafia.

      • Chrissy says:

        Smart dad! My parents have been hypnotized by Donnie Deferment and his henchmen and I find it best to not watch the news or talk politics with them. And I used to think they were quite liberal for their ages. SMH.

  4. HelloSunshine says:

    No arguments with what he said. I literally spend days avoiding the news because it makes my anxiety disorder take over and I can’t deal. Sometimes I feel guilty about having my son and bringing him into such a crappy situation. He absolutely deserves better than what is happening right now, we all do.

    Side note: The shape of his face does things for me. Please don’t judge me, idk what it is, but I’m into it 😂

    • Betsy says:

      Yeah, he is attractive.

      But he also looks like he could eat your face off and then go about his day without a care in the world.

  5. The dormouse says:

    He singles out Trump voters as less sympathetic than a serial killer and then says

    “If you think kicking out Trump will make anything different, you’re off your rocker”.

    Which is it: Trump is the root of all evil or Trump is only a symptom?

    • Esmom says:

      Well think about it. Trump would be gone but the people who voted from him won’t be. And just as willing to vote for an unqualified buffoon if he/she pushes the right buttons.

    • Hollie says:

      If you can’t understand what he’s saying, that Trump has opened the floodgates to under qualified politicians with dangerous motives with uneducated voters …. then I don’t know what to tell you.

      • The dormouse says:

        Sarah Palin didn’t open floodgates?

      • Betsy says:

        @The dormouse: Sarah Palin was the dam being breached, the warning crack in the dam. We saw it, but what were we going to do? There are enough dumb blunts in this country that think that crap is great. The water spills.

  6. Aiobhan Targaryen says:

    I feel weird liking the guy who sounds like the homeless man screaming about the apocalypse coming on 42nd street. In fact, he comes off as a more sane version of TJ Miller as both can be seen as intelligent but slightly unhinged white dudes.

    Having said that, he made a lot of good points in this article-especially his comments about the damaged nation and Rethuglicans. No matter who ends up being president, someone is going to be frustrated or out right angry about the person and their policies. It is naive to think that one person or party can fix everything and everything and one will be ok.

    I also have no interest in centering my life around white Trump supporters and their pain. Centering American life around whiteness is how we got into this entire mess in the first place. I am tired of it.

    • T.Fanty says:

      Hahaha! I agree. I nearly stopped reading when he used the word “sheeple,” but I persevered, and I’m glad that I did.

  7. Cranberry says:

    I love Michael Shannon. He’s tough and crusty, and he gives me strength. God bless him. Thank you Kaiser for covering him. Can always count on you to inject a bit of MS no-bullsh*t-sunshine to brighten the day.

    • Esmom says:

      Indeed. He is a man after my own angst-ridden, tortured heart. I was co-signing so many things he said.

      Although I don’t agree with him about cows, which I guess is one reason I don’t eat them.

  8. Tara says:

    👍 Esmom

  9. DesertReal says:

    Kaiser… things are volatile (democracy always will be) and things are awful (they always are somewhere in some way for somebody) etc.
    But its imperative to not let it consume you.
    Once you get swept up in that current, it becomes twice as hard to get out of it. Life, politics, all of it, is just one endless waltz. In the end things will be okay, and if it’s not okay then it’s just not the end.
    The long and the short of this is it’s okay to make plans lol

  10. Casey _ says:

    This is my husband in my mind. Back up offa him.

  11. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    Brilliant. Or maybe I simply learn towards the cynics and pessimists. The fact I find his comments, character and demeanor completely relatable and scarily endearing should give me pause. But it doesn’t oh well lol.

  12. Mina says:

    Richard Kuklinski was a terrible terrible man and what he did is as inexcusable as what Trump does. However, putting voters in that group is ridiculous.

    • Tanya says:

      It’s not ridiculous. The voters would be those complicit in his actions. They are the ones okay with Trump’s disgusting behavior, egging him on. They are the insidiousness skimming the surface.

      These are the people okay with bigotry and hate. These are the folks never changing or correcting themselves. We know murder’s wrong. We’ve set that standard. However, the voters refuse to adhere to society’s standard towards compassion, empathy, common sense, and love.

      • Mina says:

        You’re right, that’s way more inexcusable than beating over 100 people to death, many just for “exercise” and abusing your wife and kids.

    • Cranberry says:

      What about all the hardball NRA republicans that have twisted the second amendment into a divisive, single issue all for the sake of greed? These people know how our uncapped gun culture is killing innocent people, but they’d rather have power and profits no matter what they have to do for it. They may not have pulled the trigger, but blood is on their hands.

  13. Dee Kay says:

    ITA with his diagnosis of our current condition but I find myself feeling relatively okay with expecting both that things will continue as they are, pretty much (with the exception of climate change — that is *definitely* happening and causing worse weather events all over the world), AND that everything will go to he** in my lifetime. In other words, I’m basically betting on two possible futures at the moment, one that’s fine/okay and one that’s not. I think both are equally likely right now. Though if Trump gets a full four years and (heavens forbid) a second term, I think the chances that things will turn out okay will be severely diminished.

  14. TheOriginalMe says:

    Cow comments aside, I just saw Shannon on stage. He’s a fantastic actor!

    And I love cows… I don’t eat them for many of the reasons articulated by the smart CB community above.

  15. Nimbolicious says:

    God I love this man. I agree with everything he says. And Kaiser I don’t wanna make plans either. Going even further, I don’t see the relevance of social media other than as another narcotic to keep the sheeple distracted by the mindless repetition of pablum. I stopped participating in all of that over the past year because it just feels gross and inauthentic to me.

    I wish I could think that everything will be okay (and I generously include in “okay” a vision where we all just barely bump along as we do now).

    But I don’t think so.

  16. Layla says:

    Yep. I love him.

  17. Anna says:

    Less impressed with him now. He refused to comment on Weinstein when contacted.

    I get it is probably because he had actually 3 projects with them this year, but still.

  18. Robin says:

    What an arrogant, ignorant idiot.

  19. Lightpurple says:

    I can find more excuses for pedos than Michael Shannon fans.