Royal aides started making plans for Prince Harry & Meghan Markle’s wedding

Prince Harry and his girlfriend Meghan Markle watch a wheelchair tennis match as part of the Invictus Games in Toronto

There are a bunch of new stories about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, but there’s not a lot of new information. As I keep saying, every media outlet is going to beat this to death long before we even get a chance to be legitimately excited about an American princess. So, let me get to these new stories – remember how the Daily Mail reported that Meghan was invited to “tea” with the Queen? The tea-date happened a few weeks ago, and Meg apparently flew in and out of London without anyone knowing. The Daily Beast’s royal guy has a story about the Queen’s tea traditions, and what it means that the Queen invited Meghan to tea – go here to read the piece. Apparently, being invited to the Queen’s tea is a big f–king deal. The Queen’s guests are most frequently Laura Chatto, Princess Eugenie and Princess Beatrice, her favorite young relatives. Left unsaid is whether or not the Duchess of Cambridge has EVER been invited for tea. Meanwhile, the Daily Mail has a new story about royal aides being given instructions to start planning for a wedding:

Prince Harry’s aides have been told to start planning for a Royal Wedding, The Mail on Sunday can reveal. Senior members of the Royal Family are understood to have been asked to look at their diaries to shortlist a series of suitable weekends next year – the clearest sign yet that an engagement announcement is imminent. The news comes days after Harry and his girlfriend Meghan Markle held a private meeting with the Queen, seen by insiders as a sign that Her Majesty has given the union her blessing.

It is unlikely there would be any official announcement until after the celebrations for the Queen’s 70th wedding anniversary on November 20. It may be significant, too, that the Palace chose to release news of the Duchess of Cambridge’s April due date comparatively early. A wedding is believed to be out of the question until Prince William and Kate’s third child is born.

One important consideration both for courtiers and the Church of England is Meghan’s status as a divorcee. Under Church rules, she would be unable to have a religious wedding and, although it could take place in church, a ceremony would be a blessing instead, with a civil marriage taking place separately. This could lead to the choice of a comparatively low-profile venue, such as the Royal Military Chapel at Wellington Barracks at St James’s Park.

Meghan is currently in Toronto filming scenes for her legal drama Suits, and work will not finish on the series until the middle of November. Sources in her circle believe she will then move into Kensington Palace, where Harry occupies the two-bedroom Nottingham Cottage. Meghan is believed to have told studio bosses that she will not return for another series of Suits next year, reportedly telling friends she was ‘happy to make this career sacrifice’ in order to concentrate on her charity work and her new life as a senior Royal.

Meghan, who made her first official public appearance alongside Harry at the Invictus Games in Toronto, is also planning to travel to India for the charity World Vision, of which she is a patron. Palace aides have already been advising Meghan’s mother, Doria Ragland, a 60-year-old yoga instructor and therapist who lives in Los Angeles – a sign of how seriously the relationship is being taken in Royal circles.

[From The Daily Mail]

I dislike how heavy-handed royal “sources” are being about the limitations on the schedule, like it would be completely impossible for Harry and Meg to announce their engagement before such-and-such, or to marry before this or that. Why wouldn’t Harry and Meghan get married before Kate gave birth? Who gives a damn? It’s Kate’s third child – surely Kate doesn’t expect all of Great Britain to stop for weeks on end as she nears the end of her third pregnancy?

Katie Nicholl – best known as Kate’s hagiographer – even emphasized that point too, in a recent Vanity Fair article. Nicholl wrote that “According to one source in the know, the months of June and July have been earmarked for Harry and Meghan to wed” because, the source says, “William and Kate are expecting their third baby mid April, and Harry won’t want to overshadow the birth of another prince or princess, and, of course, the Duchess will need some time to recover before she is at such a high-profile event. The most likely date is early summer 2018…” Who plans their wedding date around their sister-in-law’s due date for her THIRD child? No, really? If Kate has a problem with attending the wedding, just shrug and say “oh well, that’s when we’re getting married. We’ll save you a slice of cake.”

And finally, enjoy this article in The Independent, about how Meghan could actually be “the new Diana” everyone has been waiting for. Meghan is the one who is “a breath of fresh air,” and she’s “not a blank canvas on to which royals can project an image, but already has a clear idea of who she is and what she wants to achieve. You haven’t seen anyone like this since Diana.”

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  1. Snazzy says:

    Oh goodness. I hope for her sake she is not the new Diana. Diana was amazing but boy did that poor woman suffer. Let her just be he hard working and glamorous, bringing light to very important charities and social issues all while being dazzling. Making her inlaws look like the lazy gits they are. That’s enough for me :)

  2. ArchieGoodwin says:

    Come on. They are family, of course they’d want Kate there, with everyone. I think it’s nice they’d wait., A wedding can be changed, a baby cannot, so yes they’d accommodate the birth.

    The question would be- why wouldn’t they work around the birth? can you imagine the press if they didn’t?!

    Harry, by all accounts, loves being an uncle. It’s his family too.

    • Megan says:

      Both are positive PR events for the BRF. If they are too close together, neither gets the maximum impact.

      • Royalsparkle says:

        Disagree potential King Henry Sparkle life must be on hold for the Throne Idle lazy entitled Willnot WKeen.. this gives whiny Willnit middletons a pass to sabotage Prince Harry Meg Life Line and for his grandpatents health at his wedding.

        Whiy willnot muddletons cant aloiw waitie decade hunt to be so highligted with Prince Harry Meg marriage early 2018 . Waity can attend before delivery.

        The SRF did have similar – Princess Madeline delivery of her son days after Prince/ess Carl Sofia wedding, did not lessen the momentus regal occassion than the other. Princess Madeline work and was about her brothers wedding a day so before delivery.

      • frisbee says:

        @ Megan I agree, this is probably the real reason for the timing, the BRF need the public goodwill.
        @ Royal Sparkle, I have no idea what this word salad means.

      • Amy says:

        @royalsparkle: Like the other commenter, I often have a really hard time trying to read or understand your posts with all the nicknames and abbreviations and made up words. I’m interested in hearing your contrary opinions but can never understand what you’re trying to say.

    • Erinn says:

      Yeah I don’t see the scandal here. I feel like the blame is (happily) placed on Kate for this … regardless of who’s idea it was. Hell, for all anyone knows Harry was like “hey, let’s do a summer wedding – that gives us time to plan everything, and we will be able to have photos with all three nieces/nephews. ”

      Plus, a LOT of people get married in the summer – around here anyway it’s the most busy few months for people working in the wedding industry. I don’t think it’s fair to put the blame on the pregnancy/Kate. I don’t care if it was my sister in laws 5th child – it’d be a lot easier and more enjoyable to plan a wedding for when the whole family can attend and have recovered. Especially when Harry seems to be quite fond of the kids.

    • Luca76 says:

      I think the idea is most people wouldn’t wait for a baby to be born for a wedding date to be set. Like IRL a sister in law would be heavily pregnant at a wedding no biggie. Happens all the time.

      • bluhare says:

        See: notasugarhere’s comment below. She said what I just typed!

      • Molly says:

        Happens all the time for people who AREN’T going to have their wedding photos and details seen around the world. The BRF isn’t “most people”.
        Kate’s pregnancy will absolutely be scheduled around for Harry’s wedding. It’s as much a major public event for the most famous family in history as it is two happy people tying the knot.

      • Princessk says:

        Kate and her third baby are just not that important. The big story will definitely be Harry and Meghan tying the knot. I can’t think that there will be much excitement about this third baby. No matter what Kate does, going forward all eyes and attention will be on Meghan. there is no competition between this third baby and the wedding of H & M, because H & M win hands down whatever the timing. It seems that everyone is afraid of Meghan stealing the headlines. The Pippa wedding was a real farce, it was actually all about Meghan. They will soon want poor Meghan to go around with a black bag over her head because of her looks and charisma. So glad she did the fabulous VF shoot, which will come to signify the end of life as an actress/model and the start of the transition.

    • Enough Already says:

      All of this and most importantly, the rf simply does things a certain way so it isn’t realistic to insinuate Kate had a tantrum or is otherwise trying to call the shots. A summer wedding would be beautiful!

    • notasugarhere says:

      Princess Madeleine attended her brother’s wedding and gave birth within, what, 2 days? If these two marry, they do not have to organize it around Kate Middleton’s pregnancy schedule. Nor do they have to schedule it around when she feels she’s lost enough weight to be seen in public. They’ve already announced the due date is in April, and April is unlikely as a royal wedding month anyway. This is just more sh!t being thrown at the wall to see what sticks.

      • BeamMeUpScottie says:

        @ nota, I am with you on this.

      • Maria says:

        I agree, not everything has to fit with Kate’s schedule. But it takes about 6 weeks to recover from childbirth, well at least it took me 6 weeks. June or July would be nice, weather is more predictable, even late May. Give the woman enough time to recover.

      • Royalsparkle says:

        Nota sorry – just seeing your post.
        My thoughts exactly.

      • Minny says:

        I think if they decided to take any member of the BRF- consideration it would be the Duke of Edinburgh. We have not seen or heard from him in a while. Not to put any bad juju out there. It seems to me the happy couple would want an earlier date for this reason. So, my guess is a February or March ( possible August proposal) wedding. I know. I know I’m an outlier – way out there.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Minny, my worries as well. We don’t know if these two are headed to marriage, or if they’ve already decided, but sooner the better if they want certain family members there. I’d think the same about Eugenie, if she and her boyfriend are also considering marriage. That might be why nothing big has been planned for the 70th anniversary; don’t want to tempt fate.

        (Insert comments from people who think Philip is racist and will hate Meghan Markle, etc.)

      • Tigerlily says:

        nota….I don’t think Philip is as racist as some of his public comments may indicate. Wasn’t he great friends with the late Merle Oberon who was actually half Indian? I think a lot of his quotes get taken out of context but then again I like the old bugger. He was a total outsider when he and QEII married and I think he was given a much worse time than Diana ever was. Particularly from Queen Mary and the Queen Mum.

      • milla says:

        But its not about kate don’t be naive.

        Royals needs positive press. So the wedding and the baby cannot happen at the same time. Give people time to celebrate and repeat. That’s half of a year of rf giving ppl fun. Like guessing name and gender of the baby first. Then talk about the dress and designers will take another month. PR gold.

      • Enough Already says:

        Opinions about Phil notwithstanding, you understand that having poc as friends doesn’t preclude one from being racist, right?

      • Princessk says:

        I don’t think Prince Philip is a racist at all. A lot of people of his generation are very non pc, and they are of their time and I forgive them for that. I think he will like Meghan and be very nice to her. In fact I think that there will be a photo opportunity after the engagement to prove this. Meghan seated beside him and both laughing and chatting.

      • notasugarhere says:

        milla these events haven’t been PR gold for years. Increase in membership in the anti-monarchy group at the time of W&K’s weddings, many comments about the 2nd and 3rd pregnancies are about “more scroungers” not happy squeal thoughts about new prince or princess.

      • Liberty says:

        Totally agree with you, nota. I think they will have their wedding when they want it, in the month that pleases them. As it should be. I can imagine Harry showing respect for the Queen’s timeline, events, schedule, then, taking it from there.

      • Tigerlily says:

        Enough: absolutely I agree that it is very possible to have friends who are POC and still be racist. I am part European & part American (well Canadian really) Indian. A former boss was racist AF but kept saying she couldn’t be as her husband was Chinese. Au contraire!

        I just don’t think Philip is racist. Not in the least PC but not necessarily racist.

    • PIa says:

      I agree with this thread. “How dare pregnant Kate and her delivery date stand in the way of Meghan and Harry’s wedding!” is a silly sentiment.

      From what we’ve read about Meghan, I’d doubt she plan a wedding without taking the delivery date into consideration.

      I am getting the feeling we’ll get a pre-holiday announcement about the engagement (mid December). Unless Harry has not proposed yet and is planning a Xmas proposal, which seem to be all the rage these days…

      • Kristen820 says:

        It seems completely in keeping with what I’ve read about Harry, too. He’s empathetic enough not to wanna steal his brother and SIL’s thunder, so to speak.

      • Cheyanna says:

        @nosugarhere, yeah, *insert comments of WOC & MOC complaining about someone being racially insensitive in their past and not being cool with it*
        Amazing that you can look pass that but the people who do bring that up are more then likely ppl. actually offended and have to deal with stuff like that all the time.
        Funny how you dismiss ppl feeling a way about P, but in the same sentence mention an biracial you are trying to defend.

      • mint says:

        First of all, thats royal life. There is a schedule and you have to plan around big events. Also they all outrank Harry – so his plans have to take the backseat.
        Apart from that, Harry, Kate & William seem to be close. So naturally he wants them at his wedding. Harry was Williams best man, maybe he wants William to be his best man and Kate giving birth at the same time would put that at risk.
        Honestly I dont see the problem. Just drama thats created. You can fault them for a lot of things but not this one.

        As for the new Diana thing. Press will always want to create a new Diana. Naturally there will always be a comparison. But the royal family has no interest in a new Diana. They will do everything to not have a new Diana. People are always outraged at lazy Kate but they are 100% more happy with lazy, boring Kate than some sort of Diana Type

      • RoyalSparkle says:

        Another disagreement is articles that Prince Henry cannot marry at Westminster Abbey, etc… – this is potential King Henry’s first Marriage and he is the Head of his Line. POW had his grand royal Wedding and divorced (although Diana was deceased) making for a 2d low key- compared to Harry Meg Sparkle, who is secondary to HRH Prince Henry.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Cheyanna, didn’t say one way or the other as to whether or not I think Philip is racist. Figured as per usual that some people on these threads would *assume* Philip would have problems with her based on her heritage.

      • Tigerlily says:

        RoyalSparkle…Harry is getting lower and lower in the line of succession so calling him “potential” King Henry and thinking he should marry in Westminster Abbey is a bit much. I suspect that he, like Prince Edward & Sophie/ Peter Phillips & Autumn, will marry at St George’s Chapel at Windsor.

    • Merritt says:

      Agreed. There is no drama here. A summer wedding will be nice. Besides people complained about the weather for Will and Kate’s wedding.

    • AnneC says:

      Ummm, yeah, my sons would definitely work around the birth of their nephew/niece for an event like a wedding. I know there is this intense dislike of Kate on this site (seems so petty and small minded with the very real present problems in this world), but to ding her for this is really over the top.

    • Honest B says:

      God, Id work around my family members pregnancy’s if I was getting married. Consideration for your family is important!

    • Maren says:

      Of course, they are going to work any possible wedding around the birth of a baby. First of all, if they didn’t, the media would go bananas. Secondly, every family I know would work a wedding around a niece/nephews’s birth – no one wants Kate there very pregnant and uncomfortable or right after a birth. First or third, it wouldn’t have mattered to me.

    • Amy says:

      I agree. Kate is his only sibling’s spouse. If they were going to do something like wait until she had given birth to announce their engagement that would be way too much but to wait to have their wedding so that his only sibling can bring his wife doesn’t sound outrageous. Maybe Harry even likes Kate as a sister in law and specifically wants her there.

  3. SK says:

    I don’t care, Im excited!! Excited for her to BRING IT fashion-wise, excited to see this well-spoken passionate woman get out there and support worthy causes full time, excited to see a WOC in the British Royal Family!

    • BorderMollie says:

      Yeah, I’m excited too. I really think Harry and the BRF are lucky to have Megan join them. It’s not just a breath of fresh air, she can bring a much needed second wind their way. Plus, I don’t think many people know she’s got some really connected friends here in Canada, most especially the PM’s wife.

      However, I’m sorry for this, but much as I like her I find her fashion choices boring lol!

  4. Sixer says:

    Excuse me? Who are these aides? How can they make proper plans for this wedding without consulting the VERY detailed outline already prepared by we Celebitches? When will the Celebitchy contingent be invited to okay any of these amateur efforts they are bound to be making? When?

    (Flying Elvi. Jus’ sayin’.)

  5. Natalie S says:

    Does Kate even want to attend the wedding? Couldn’t you see her much being happier to be able to put her feet up and text snarky comments to Bill and the Middletons?

    • minx says:

      Of course she would want to go.
      Come on, you guys.

      • Llamas says:

        I think Natalie was being facetious; at least that’s what I got. Although Kate has a history of skipping weddings I don’t think she’d miss Harry’s wedding unless something were seriously wrong.

        I do agree with Megan’s comment up thread; the BRF will want as much coverage as they can get. The third child already won’t garner as much coverage but I think the firm will try to milk it for all its worth. And then a wedding right after to keep the continual coverage going. Why have the two events on top of each other when you can get DOUBLE the attention!

        Though I’m surprised at Princess Madeleine going and giving birth two days later. I think at that point of be terrified of going into labor AT the wedding. I’d take the closest seat to the door just in case haha

  6. Becks says:

    Of course Kate is going to attend the wedding and of course her pregnancy will impact the scheduling. I don’t think that’s so unusual. If the wedding date had already been announced and THEN kate announced her pregnancy and they moved the date to accommodate her – that would be something else entirely. But as it stands, I think it’s pretty normal to want your brother and SIL at your wedding, so I don’t fault anyone for taking the pregnancy into account when picking a date.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Princess Madeleine attended her brothers wedding and gave birth 1-2 days later. Were she and her husband not supposed to be trying to expand their family on the off chance that her brother would pick a certain date for a wedding?

      At this point, if a wedding was being scheduled around Kate Middleton, it would be because of KM’s overwhelming vanity.

    • Bellagio DuPont says:

      @ Becks, surely, it should be the other way around? If they’ve already decided to get married, i would have thought they’d want to do it as soon as possible, so they can start trying immediately for kids?

      Left to me, they should do it before the end of this year……that would suit everyone perfectly actually.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It *would* give bluhare her Christmas-theme wedding at St Martin-in-the-Fields…

      • Becks says:

        What should be the other way around? That Kate should have planned her pregnancy around Harry and his potential wedding? I don’t agree with that either.

        I don’t think the wedding is going to be “scheduled around” Kate but I think her due date will certainly be taken into consideration. I don’t think that’s outrageous. IF it ends up that April 25 or whatever is the only date that works for MM and Harry, then I’ll imagine they’ll get married then with apologies to Kate but if July 15 works just as well, I imagine they’ll have it then, you know? Of course Kate can attend at 39 weeks pregnant or whatever but my guess is they will avoid April altogether.

        @LadyD – the other main reason I am thinking of the wedding being after Kate’s due date is because I thought I had read somewhere that they can’t have the wedding during Lent if its a religious ceremony. Easter is April 1 so that rules out March and part of February. Not because pregnant women have to hide away or whatever. (I certainly didn’t!) If that’s incorrect then I could see a March wedding.

        IF we have an announcement soon. We may not get one for several months.

      • Bellagio DuPont says:

        By the other way round, i meant that surely, Harry and Meghan’s wedding should be given priority? The idea that they *cant* get married until after Kate has given birth to her THIRD baby just sounds ludicrous.

        No shade whatsoever to Kate either. But Meghan is no spring chicken and yet to have even her first one. They need to get on with it, not sit around for 8 months, waiting for someone who’s about to have her 3rd, beautiful, healthy child before they can start on their first.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Individual pastors can choose to perform weddings during Lent, there is no strict prohibition against it in CoE. Lent is a period of reflection and rebirth, seems like a good thought pattern to be in for the start of a marriage.

      • Maren says:

        I know Meghan is older, but as they only know each other 15 or so months, living on different continents, I think having kids right away is a terrible idea! Kids change everything, and are a shock even when you know each other really well. A good shock, but still…they change everything in your life.
        But I doubt anyone will consult me. :)

        And I thought people here said that they would absolutely be married in a Church, and this article says that they can’t be married in church. Don’t think much of this is reliable.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It isn’t a reliable article, as Westminster Abbey has already said they would happy to marry them there.

  7. Nicole says:

    Geez what’s with the harshness here? Kate is pregnant and by looking at the previous two pregnancies they tend to be rough. Harry loves his family so of course he wants them there. Plus sheer planning the scale a summer wedding is not an insane time to wait.

    • Purplehazeforever says:

      I don’t get it either. Third baby or not, I think she’d like to attend her brother in law’s wedding & I think Prince Harry wants her there too.

    • notasugarhere says:

      So rough that she flies off to Mustique and Switzerland for holidays, NYC to crash William’s Jecca-related trip, etc.

      The “rough” parts of her pregnancies appear to only revolve around work, not around play.

      • Megan says:

        I suspect missing her son’s first day of school was incredibly rough for her. And, please, show some respect for Jecca and stop with the ugly insinuations. Jecca is married and has a child. Whatever gossip the Midds may have spread about her does not mean she should be dragged for the rest of her life.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Facts remain. She always manages to go on vacation during these “rough” pregnancies, but cannot manage to “work”. Latest rumor is they are on vacation again.

        Whether William ever dated Jecca or not (and we don’t know), she is clearly important to him. More important that his wife and family at times it seems. Ditching his cousin’s wedding (where KM was left to encounter HM alone) to go to Jecca’s brother’s wedding. Missing their son’s first “family vacation” to Mustique to go hunting with Jecca in Spain.Ditching their daughter’s first Easter to go to Jecca’s wedding.

        KM dressing like Jecca during the dating years. KM was “too sick” to go to NYC, but Jecca’s charity event in DC shows up on the list and suddenly KM is doing to the US with William. Her own insecurities at play?

        William shows time and again how important Jecca is to him, whether there has ever been any romance there or not.

      • Princessk says:

        @nota….you always seem to keep mentioning Jecca, when was the last time William had anything to do with this woman anyway.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She is a constant in his life and I gave examples above. We do not know if they have ever been romantically involved, but he has publicly put her and her family above KM and their children multiple times.

        He has been the Royal Patron for Tusk Trust since 2005, which is the charity she is personally heavily involved in. He even has the annual Prince William Award for Conservation as part of Tusk Trust. Congratulated the winners at this years event via video as the ceremony was in Cape Town instead of the UK this year.

    • bluhare says:

      The rough part of Kate’s pregnancies appears to be early on. Every one is different, I know, but if history repeats itself Kate will have a very healthy second and third trimester. Certainly easy enough to walk in and sit in a church.

      • Nicole says:

        I don’t disagree. But people are acting like she demanded to not be pregnant at this wedding. In reality they probably wanted to space the events out

      • bluhare says:

        Sorry; you’re the one who used her “tend to be rough” pregnancy as the reason they’d postpone so not sure what your point is now. Madeleine of Sweden was just about ready to deliver when her brother got married, and she didn’t detract at all. They just had more things to celebrate in a short period of time.

        I don’t agree with everyone here, and I don’t think Kate got pregnant to disrupt the wedding. I also don’t think whether she’s pregnant or not should be much of a factor other than perhaps not scheduling right at delivery. But that’s me.

    • FLORC says:

      2nd to 3rd trimester to labor of her previous 2 pregnancies appear to not be rough on kate. She’s been active and gaining weight normally. The trend continues with her 3rd. There are women that have hard or rough pregnancies and you see it. No press release is needed. Especially when they are too I’ll to take a car to an engagement, but can fly to remote beaches.

      Aside from the press release saying Kate will cancel her entire schedule now and even of she appear a better/is better she will still not work. I’ve seen or heard no actual evidence to support this pregnancy is anything more than a completely normal, unremarkable woman carrying child.

  8. Beth says:

    Did an actual aide for the royal family leak this information to the DM?

  9. GRR says:

    The part about not being allowed a religious ceremony is total BS and has already been denied by Westminster Abbey. But it’s the Daily Heil, so what do you expect.

    That tea article! Haha! If someone tried to serve me fruitcake that had been sitting around for a fortnight I’d run a mile.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Yes, that’s one of the many reasons this article is just throwing sh!t at the wall. Westminster Abbey has already said they would marry them, and that her divorce and whatever religion she is are not impediments.

    • bluhare says:

      The best fruitcakes are made 6 months in advance.

    • Maren says:

      But where was the part about being able to have a Church wedding confirmed? And was it confirmed in relation to Harry and Meghan?
      I doubt they will have a big Church wedding.

      • notasugarhere says:

        From the Express (and multiple other places reported it too), 14 May 2017

        ‘The couple will be able to follow in the footsteps of the Queen and Prince Philip and William and Kate after the historic church confirmed the American actress’s former marriage would not bar her from marrying there.

        A spokesman for Westminster Abbey said: “The Abbey follows the General Synod Ruling of 2002. Since then it has been possible for divorced people to be married in the Church of England.”

        The spokesman also confirmed that Meghan’s Jewish background would not prevent her from having an “interfaith” marriage there. ‘

      • Margaret says:

        I doubt they’ll have a really big church wedding, partly because Harry is the spare, and partly because of Meghan’s circumstances. Though it would be Harry’s first, weddings seem to be mainly about the bride, and this bride is not really a bride in the sense she has been married before. I doubt Meghan would be keen to go the whole hog with a really fancy white bridal gown and veil. I think would invite accusations of hypocrisy and other criticism. I foresee a wedding in one of the smaller churches or chapels, with Meghan wearing an ivory dress, and going for something elegant rather than a traditional fairytale-princessy one. I wouldn’t even be surprised if they married in the afternoon rather than evening, and she wore a mid-calf length dress rather than a long gown.

      • Tina says:

        Meghan had a brief civil marriage that produced no children. Very different from Charles, Camilla, Anne, etc, whose first marriages were all in the Church of England and produced children . And in Charles and Camilla’s case, their adultery was a direct cause of two divorces, one of which ex-spouses is still living.

        None of this is present here. There would be nothing hypocritical about Harry and Meghan having a big white wedding in Westminster Abbey if they want to.

      • notasugarhere says:

        “this bride is not really a bride in the sense she has been married before”

        Quick, tell all the women who get married after divorce that they don’t count as real brides. I’m sure the wedding industry would get on board with telling those women they are hypocrites.

        See Letizia and Felipe’s wedding. Bride had been married before, and they married in an enormous Catholic ceremony attended by 1700 people.

      • Princessk says:

        I expect a priceless carriage to convey Meghan and her father to Westminster Abbey, and to see her float down the aisle in an ivory satin gown, Harry waiting for her in full military uniform and then back to Buckingham Palace for a kiss on the balcony. If we get anything less than this I will be extremely upset.

  10. The Original Mia says:

    I’m with Kaiser. No way they postpone their wedding based on Kate’s birthing schedule. If she can’t come, that’s life. It’s not as if Kate has taken their lives (the BRF’s) into account when getting pregnant. That’s just silly. Unlike the Midds, I doubt G&C will be used as props, so no need for Kate, the child whisperer to have a heavy presence.

  11. Eliza says:

    I believe Will/Kate announced early Nov and married in late April, so waiting till December (or after) to announce would logically be a June or later wedding.

    And yes in most family’s no one would wait for a wedding for their brothers 3rd baby, but this isn’t a normal family and this baby will out-rank them. Therefore it would make sense for summer, not only to have enough time to plan a wedding, but also to show respect.

    But again, I point out, I don’t see the need to rush. They’ve been long distance for 1 year, and living 2 wks in London before engagement is probably not a lot of time to sink-in what her life will truly be like after marriage (aka her life will not be her own, but the people’s and the courtier’s). Let them enjoy some time living together.

    • notasugarhere says:

      “respect” vs. “You must delay a happy event in your life because I’m too vain to show up somewhere in the late stages of pregnancy”. Please look at how wonderful Princess Madeleine looked at her brother’s wedding, and she gave birth 1-2 days later.

      Why should they not be allowed to enjoy time living together after being married, and somehow be required to marry on your schedule not theirs?

      • whatever says:

        “You must delay a happy event in your life because I’m too vain to show up somewhere in the late stages of pregnancy”.

        You have no idea if that is really even the case. Statesment’s like this make it obvious that people will say anything to paint Kate as the ‘bad guy’. The likelihood is the Palace will want to space these two happy events out so they get maximum exposure for both because as one poster pointed out above neither event gets maximum impact if they are scheduled so close together. Its common sense really.

      • Eliza says:

        My main point is timing, they would need more than a couple months to plan this state event wedding.

        But yes royal family’s have odd rules about hierarchy, protocol and respect. If they were just like us there wouldn’t be monarchies. Hence the article said they’re waiting till after the 70th anniversary to announce. To show respect to Queen and DOE.

        The Swedish royal family has completely different structure, so I’m not sure that example holds up. But CP does does outrank Madde and her kids. Plus the King has stated he hates that the govt took his sons title from him and gave it to Victoria, and he’s given more special treatment to him than the girls over the years. I mean Victoria was forced to wait 10 years to approve her marriage bc Daniel owned a gym, but Sofia was ushered right in although her charity originally put their money in her personal bank accounts.

      • notasugarhere says:

        There is no reason to space these events out in the BRF. These events aren’t getting them positive PR, whether births or marriages. Membership in RepublicUK *increased* at the time of W&K’s wedding. Most comments about their second and third children are of the “more scroungers” variety.

        If Harry ever marries, his wedding will likely be smaller anyway. While it will require huge planning, it isn’t necessarily going to be the huge event that W&K’s was. I lean heavily towards Windsor, for cost reasons alone.

        You are writing about a woman who previously disappeared for the last 4-6 weeks of pregnancy. So precious she cannot work, or because she doesn’t want to be seen?

      • Bellagio DuPont says:

        I just hope all this “waiting” is not a sly plan to delay the happy events, in order to allow other opportune events cause their break up (conspiracy hat firmly on)……

        Because in the event that anything breaks this couple up (even by their mutual consent), I will be rioting (semi-violently*) in the streets, in firm protest.

        *Semi-violently = verbally

    • Bellagio DuPont says:

      I keep seeing posts all over the place claiming Meghan has no idea what her life will be like and that she doesn’t know what she’s getting herself in for.

      So @ Eliza, do YOU know better than her? How are you in a better position than her to know? Because you’ve lived it or because like the rest of us, you’ve read about it?

      Just wondering.

  12. Em' says:

    I would absolutely scheduled my wedding around one of my sisters in law pregnancy. They are family, I love them and I would want them to be there.

  13. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    I think any family planning a wedding takes all things into consideration… to the point of ad nauseum in some cases which is why some couples say frak it and elope. My mother was a… um… let’s just say she was extremely meticulous when planning ‘my’ wedding.

  14. pattieboyd says:

    No one will replace Diana. Just let Meghan be herself. “A breath of fresh air”–? Isn’t that what they called Fergie?

    • BeamMeUpScottie says:

      That could be also kate, with her skirt always getting caught in the wind and exposing her derriere, just like fergie ;-)

    • Maren says:

      Fergie was the “breath of fresh air,” right before the media and the public turned against her.
      Poor Meghan. I hope she doesn’t read the comments in the DM and some other papers. I get that these commenters are the low hanging fruit, but still…I think she will have an uphill battle getting the approval of the British.

      • Tina says:

        Daily Mail commenters are not the same as the British. Read the comments in the Guardian for balance. Most people don’t care, and if they do, they generally think Harry’s a lucky bloke because Meghan is so hot.

      • Maren says:

        The DM are like the Trumpers in this country. Not the majority, but a very large part. Probably the same as those who voted to BREXIT, and that isn’t a small number.

      • Tina says:

        Absolutely not. Most people who voted for Brexit did so because they were bamboozled by local and Russian propaganda. They hated the policies of austerity (understandably) and thought that by voting for Brexit that their lives and their families’ lives would improve. They won’t.

        But I guarantee you that 52% of the voting adults in this country (the percentage who voted for Brexit) are not the racist wankers who populate the DM comments section. Is every racist wanker in the DM comments section who is British a Brexiter? Almost certainly yes. Is every Brexit voter a racist wanker? No.

  15. graymatters says:

    It makes sense to me to ask Kate what she’d prefer: a televised formal occasion while heavily pregnant or still nursing a newborn. I would have preferred the former, frankly. But it’s nice to ask. Either a spring or a summer wedding should suit H&M well enough, I should think.

  16. upstatediva says:

    Won’t there also be a christening 2 months after the birth (Charlotte’s was 2 months and one week after)? I still think there is probably a willingness to press happy rf events forward because Phil is not going to be around for ever. Early June and hope for good weather!

    • graymatters says:

      George was five months old, I think, so christening dates are flexible. Charlotte’s was interesting because they scheduled it for when Harry would be out of the country. So, either the RF doesn’t take other people’s schedules into account when they plan stuff, or the just pay attention to the Cambridges’ plans.

      • notasugarhere says:

        CC’s christening was scheduled on the Sunday closest to Diana’s birthday and held in Diana’s childhood church. Christening coin had Diana’s favorite flower on it and all three of CC’s names (when George only had his first name). Add in making it a public event when the heir’s was a secretive/private event in London. Complete with a pram parade past members of the public and the selected press who agreed to kowtow. That christening was loaded with PR games.

  17. Beth says:

    Wouldn’t a summer wedding be better anyway? If it was in the winter/early spring, streets might have to be snow plowed and the excited onlookers would be shivering,freezing and slipping on ice while waiting to see the bride and groom go by while more snowflakes fall from the overcast sky.

    • Meggles says:

      Snow is pretty rare in London. Usually it snows for only one or two days, around Jan-Feb, but even on those days the snow is generally light and turns to slush by midday. The rare occasions we get a day of proper snow it is very pretty, but it’s more likely to be grey and rainy. We don’t have snow ploughs though since we practically never get thick snow; we have gritters instead. Ruins your shoes!

      • Lady D says:

        You can tell I’m Canadian. I was gobsmacked when I read you don’t have snow plows. Like eating or breathing, snow plows are a fact of life. They are just there.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I have already shoveled this season. No snow plows? Imagine spending a winter being cold but NOT ever having snow to shovel (or play in).

      • Alexandria says:

        Meggles! I want to thank u for the tea discussion / enlightenment in the previous thread. I’m not surprised there would be a difference I would be unaware of (especially for a non-European like me). Much appreciated!

      • Meggles says:

        I love these conversations!! And I love learning about life in other countries too.

        There’s a great bit in one of Bill Bryson’s bits where he talks about a cutting from a British newspaper which gives the weather as “warm or cool with rainy spells.” That’s kinda British weather in a nutshell. One of my earliest memories is what in Britain has come to be known as the Great Storm (of 1987) and it’s ridiculous compared to what you see on the news from other countries. I think our garden gate got blown away, and some trees came down.

        Having said that I don’t know what the hell is going on with the weather in London right now, it’s nearly November and I was in a t-shirt today. Nice leaves though.

    • notasugarhere says:

      They’ve had wedding at different times of the year. HM/Philip and Anne/Mark in November. Bertie/Queen Mum and W&K in April. Margaret/Snowdon in May. Edward and Sophie in June. Charles/Diana and Andrew/Sarah in July.

  18. Plantpal says:

    So is Pippa pregnant also? Do we care?

  19. Dani says:

    Is anyone else worried that Prince Phillip won’t be around anymore for a June 2018 wedding? I hope they get married in the spring…the sooner the better

  20. WyoGirl says:

    With Meghan as the bride, no one will even be looking @ Kate.

    • seesittellsit says:

      @SWyoGirl – you’re supposed only to look at the bride. No one looked at Kate at Pippa’s wedding, and in fact, no one looked much at Diana at the York wedding – except to note what a ridiculous outfit she was wearing: I remember the big floppy pirate hat and polka dot dress to this day.

      It’s the bride’s day. No one is supposed to look anywhere else.

      • Princessk says:

        Well Pippa and Beatrice of York stole the headlines from Kate’s wedding. But nobody will be able to do that at Meghan’s.

      • seesittellsit says:

        @Princessk – as we all know, Pss. Beatrice got nothing but slammed for that awful hat, and the idea that she “stole” the headlines is absurd. I remember the headlines: they were all about Kate and that dress. The stuff about Pippa’s rear end and Bea’s hat were secondary. Take a look back at the front pages.

        I’m quite sure Kate will wear something dignified and pastel-ish and clearly not intended to upstage the bride, but I wouldn’t put anything past Bea and Eugenie if they’re invited. They appear to 1) have no mirrors at home and 2) have inherited Bad Dress DNA from their mother.

        If anyone steals the show, it will be George and Charlotte, who will undoubtedly serve as pageboy/flower girl.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Beatrice had nothing to do with the design of the hat. She gave pictures of her outfit to royal hatmaker, Philip Treacy, and trusted him to make a hat to go with the coat.

        They sometimes make mistakes when they give lesser-known designers a chance, but they can also look great when they follow a good stylist. See Beatrice in Elie Saab or Roksanda Illincic (before KM wore her I think), or Eugenie in Westwood which is a great match.

        If Harry’s wedding were to be televised, I wouldn’t count on PGTips and CC being in it. Obsessive W&K might consider it an invasion of their privacy.

      • Princessk says:

        Well Beatrice may not have designed the hat but she wore it!
        Yes, she was slammed but the whole thing turned into one mighty joke which Beatrice enjoyed and the hat was raffled for charity for a significant sum of money. There is no love lost between Kate and the York girls and I believe the hat stunt was intentional. Of course Kate was on the front pages on her wedding day, how bizarre if it had been otherwise, but the press found the hat and Pippa’s bum , ordinary IMO, much more interesting than Kate and her dress. The York girls are friends with Meghan and will be very supportive and I don’t expect them to wear anything wacky on her day.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I don’t see a “stunt” here. Of course she wore it. The hat had been made by a trusted royal hat maker especially to go with the outfit. If the professional thinks that is the perfect design to go with the lattice work of the coat, you wear the hat.

    • Princessk says:

      @WyoGirl…..absolutely true.

  21. Bellagio DuPont says:

    @ Nota

    Exactly. 😉

  22. Princessk says:

    I have just been on DM where somebody has revealed that Samantha Markle, the half sister ,has been engaging with other people on the comment sections under the name ‘Coffeeinthemorn’. She was outed. It was all really bizarre the way she went on and on ranting and people were giving it back to her as she was trying to explain herself. It absolutely was her. I really feel that this woman needs help and needs to get off social media and Meghan needs to stay away from her because it is possible that she is really unstable. It is also possible that she created many of the anti-Meghan profiles on DM. Quite a revelation and DM has now stopped further comments so there is something too it all.

    • Bellagio DuPont says:

      @ Princess K:

      It was definitely Samantha; I don’t think she was even attempting to disguise it as she kept commenting in the first person.

      I definitely agree with you that she might be dealing with some sort of instability……her constant yo-yoing from one position to the exact opposite is pretty disconcerting.

      After months of calling her sister everything under the sun (social climber, fake, pushy, faux humanitarian, name it), she’s now giving interviews (latest was on GMB) saying how wonderful Meghan os and that everything the tabloids said she said, was a lie.

      Never mind the fact that I’ve sparred with her live on twitter, with her defending her insults and heaping some more on, for good measure.

      It’s difficult to see what’s going on with her. Some people are speculating that the illness itself maybe responsible for some of the bizarre behaviour she exhibits

  23. CommentingBunny says:

    I’m don’t know why so many people are saying they wouldn’t schedule around their niece / nephew’s birth. If I already had my date picked and my SIL got pregnant, then I wouldn’t change it. But when setting the date? When I got married I took a lot of things into consideration in figuring out the date, including the convenience and comfort of people I love and wanted there. Who wouldn’t? Why wouldn’t you? Unless there’s some particular magic to a date that conflicts with the due date, why on earth would you do that? It’s and a-hole move.

    • Erinn says:

      Yeah I’m completely baffled by this whole thing. Most families (at least ones that like each other) try to plan around each other a little. I have an uncle who got married on my moms birthday (she was only about 10 years old) and she still holds it against him, haha.

  24. Joannie says:

    Are they engaged? Or is this simply a media storm for clicks? If they do marry it’s completely up to them. Harry has gone on record saying he will take his time. If she’s sensible she’ll live with him for awhile first. It’s not like she’ll be marrying Mr. Regular Guy. Mind you she dropped her personal life like a bomb within six months of meeting him. I suspect she has a goal in mind.

    • Mimi says:

      We have no idea when they actually met so not sure how you could know anything about any changes to her personal life she may have made. It’s funny how some try to push the idea that Megan is so desperate to trap Harry when they seem to be equally besotted.

    • graymatters says:

      I think she wanted to keep up with her blog, but the press used it as a starting point to write masses of often unflattering articles. I imagine that she was advised to cancel it and, at that point, had to ask herself if Harry was worth the sacrifice. Same with the Reitmans gig. I’m inclined to think that she decided that she knew him well enough after six months. She probably thought that he — their relationship — had the potential to go the distance and she was only shutting down side jobs. If the relationship fizzled, she still had her role on Suits and the increased exposure would make future advertising jobs even more likely. So, I think the love is real, but that she’s also practical.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I agree, the press and tumblr haters were using her blog as fodder, spinning old articles and pretending they were about Harry, etc. If this relationship doesn’t end in marriage, she can always start another blog. The Tig wasn’t her first blog; she had written and shut down other blogs before it.

        She continued her tv work, World Vision, and PR obligations for her tv work, which is plenty for me.

  25. HoustonGrl says:

    One, I think it’s acceptable and necessary to consider Kate’s due date A) just out of kindness so she can have a good time. Maybe she doesn’t want to be photographed at peak pregnancy with pictures published all over the world, she’s Harry SIL after all B) if the timing coincides with her due date, which it does, it’s only natural that they would plan around it so William and Kate aren’t off giving birth during the wedding bells.

    Two, I have serious concerns about the mad rush of this engagement

    • Ravine says:

      Yes to all of the above. Besides just being nice to your family, and wanting to space out the “happy moments” from a PR perspective, Kate giving birth at the hospital during the wedding would be a disaster on all fronts: logistics, security, media wrangling… There’s no way they’re going to tempt fate on that level. Plus, it’s not just Kate — it’s fair to assume that William will be Harry’s best man, so if Kate can’t make it for pre- or post-baby reasons, obviously William will have to be with her, leaving Harry high and dry.

    • notasugarhere says:

      “Maybe she doesn’t want to be photographed at peak pregnancy” merely speaks to her vanity. See Princess Madeleine and how gorgeous she was at her brother’s wedding, 2 days before giving birth.

      Rania and Abdullah, Felipe and Letizia. Other royal couples who married within a year of meeting. 23 years and 13 years later, they’re doing fine.