Today is the one-month anniversary of the New York Times breaking the first in a series of stories about Harvey Weinstein’s decades of harassment and sexual assault. The NYT’s first article was about the settlements he made to a fraction of his victims. Then Ronan Farrow’s New Yorker article less than a week later, and on the same day, the New York Times dropped another bombshell, with Angelina Jolie and Gwyneth Paltrow backing up all of the other women and telling their own stories. It’s been a long month full of harrowing, disturbing first-person accounts from the victims of a sexual predator who operated with enormous power for the better part of three decades.
Throughout it all, I think it’s important to repeat several truths: that we believe the victims; that women should not be blamed for Harvey Weinstein; that every victim has the right to speak or not speak, and that’s up to them. We need to add something else to the list of truths: every victim and every observer has the right to process their complicated emotions however they can. It’s obvious that many victims are still traumatized, still scared, still worried that Weinstein still has enough power to do real damage to them. It’s also obvious that some victims are just really f–king angry and if they ever see Harvey Weinstein’s blob face ever again, they might get violent. Which brings me to Uma Thurman and the way she’s filtering her pain into anger, and then controlling that anger into a seething rage which is extraordinary to watch. When asked about Weinstein, this was Uma’s response:
Uma Thurman's response when asked about the flood of sexual misconduct allegations….wow. pic.twitter.com/Sw5Br1GwFg
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 4, 2017
“I don’t have a tidy soundbite for you, because I am not a child and I have learned that when I have spoken in anger, I usually regret the way I express myself. So I’ve been waiting to feel less angry, and when I’m ready, I’ll say what I have to say.” Yeah. Uma Thurman has A LOT to say. I get the feeling that what she has to say isn’t just about Harvey Weinstein either, although she does have a long history of working on Weinstein-produced films. Keep in mind – Quentin Tarantino has often described Uma as his muse. The same Quentin Tarantino who “knew enough to do more than I did.”
Photos courtesy of Getty.
“Tidy” soundbite is what I heard. I had to replay it a couple of times.
I heard “tidy” too. I liked how she handled the question.
Yes, definitely “tidy”
Oh my. She is furious.
On the other side I don’t like that Weinstein, and Spacey are the only ones who are paying for these crimes: there was and there is an entire system tolerating, and feeding this kind of behaviour, a system based on assistants and managers in charge of providing young actors, or paying victims. To me they are as guilty as them.
Has even ONE agent spoken up yet? Genuinely asking. Because that seems to be a common element in most of these stories: talent agents sending these actors into the lion’s den.
Didn’t Aishwarya Rai’s former int’l agent say that pig wanted to meet her alone & she vehemently rebuked him?
The only agent that has spoken up is the one who refuse to leave her client alone with Harvey.
A lot of these woman were represented by CAA and the CAA agency silence is deafening.
I heard the story about the pig too.
The only other agent I heard of was the one that was just suspended for harassaing Terry Crews.
Agents are obviously not in the spotlight so we’ll hear less, hopefully inernally there is a big change.
I want to hear from CAA. I want to hear from the Huvanes. Shy, yes, their silence is deafening.
I have found the silence from CAA and the other agencies pretty telling. My guess is they have placed a gag order on employees while they work with their lawyers to figure out how much exposure they have. Every trail lawyer in Hollywood is probably booked solid as studios, agents, managers, etc. try to figure out how much they stand to lose in litigation.
CAA and WME haven’t spoken publicly, but they were two of the companies that received email from Harvey to back him in light of the initial NYTimes article so that the Weinstein company doesn’t fire him.
Both agencies refused and that was one of the reasons the Weinstein company fired him AND the reason the floodgates of accusations opened because most, if not all, the accusers are repped by CAA or WME.
By refusing to back Harvey, and making it very clear they wouldn’t back him or work with the Weinstein company on any Harvey projects, they effectively co-signed his P45 from the company.
This is one of the reasons there was a defeaning silence of 4 days when the allegations were first made. Harvey was trying to rescue his career with those emails, and the accusers stayed silent.
As much as i am glad he has been outed, i’m still infuriated that they all waited for CAA and WME (and other studio heads) to step away from Harvey before they all started talking. Literally waited for 4 days as Harvey tried to gather support meanwhile the initial accusers barely had any Hollywood support except for internet gossip sites and MSM reporting on the accusations in that one article.
To me the real heroes in this saga are the handful of people who spoke up initially whilst Harvey was still in power and no guarantee that they wouldn’t lose their careers because of speaking out.
As Rose said during those 4 days, the silence of Hollywood, was deafening.
Going back to original point, by refusing to back Harvey, and allowing their clients to speak without consequence, CAA and WME have spoken even if that isn’t obvious to the public.
Agents are sometimes a necessary “evil” and the harder they are, the more power they have to get their clients what they want. It is dominated by men who aren’t known for their sensitivity and tenderness.
Some agents have been let go as sacrificial lambs, but it won’t change until they are publicly shamed, and it is advantageous to someone to take them down. It is extremely competitive. That isn’t to say there aren’t decent people involved but the atmosphere fosters self-interest, power-hungry greed.
It is the same as politics.
It might change if actors decide they will fire their agent if they don’t give them the full scoop about the people they are going to meet.
Actually CAA and WME didn’t speak up in any form. What they did was jump ship so they wouldn’t be brought down with Harvey because their hand are dirty. Agents from CAA and mostly likely WME knowingly sent women to theses “Hotel” meeting knowing what would happen. They didn’t allow their clients to do anything. They had no choice but to not hold it against their clients if they spoke up because if they did they would be outed.
To me all of these women are REAL heroes.
Ronan Farrow (my new hero) said on Stephen Colbert he is working on a new piece for the New Yorker, focused more on the enabling enviroment and the culture of silence. So I hope that the issue of representation for all these assaulted women will be finally raised properly
Sky: Firstly, i’m not saying CAA and WME made a public statement. However, i know they received a request from Harvey to support him in light of the initial accusations. There were 4 days between the initial accusations and his being fired. He was hoping to garner support from all the big players / agencies in Hollywood so he could ward off the firing. They all turned him down, including CAA and WME.
The 4 days between initial accusations with only 10 people either named or tweeting support and the public firing of Harvey demonstrates my point starkly.
During those 4 days, the silence of Hollywood was defeaning. And if Harvey had received their backing, these accusations would have gone away.
That was the scenerio with Bryan Singer in 2014. He received the backing of Hollywood and regardless of the MSM reporting the accusations with victims speaking on record, it went no where and BS is still working in Hollywood.
Those 4 days really shown up Hollywood. It’s sad all these people didn’t say a word until the agencies and Hollywood at large stopped supporting Harvey because i can guarantee that if they had supported him, none of those people would have stepped forward and Harvey would still be at Weinstein Company.
The agencies didn’t back up Harvey to be noble or do the right thing . They used those 4 days to weigh the best PR move for THEM nothing else and realized that after decades of being silent and complicit the flood gates were going to be unleashed whether they like it or not so best to cut Harvey loose.
Blogdis: of course the agencies / studios cut him loose for their reputations and to stick the boot in a man who was on a loosing streak who was as much a bully as he was a predator, BUT there was no indication to their clients that they would when those accusations were first made.
Harvey spent those days begging for his professional life. And if the decision had been made to stand by him, none of the other actors except for the ones named in the NYtimes article + tweeting during those 4 days would have come forward.
It’s the reason Bryan Singer is still at large even though he has also been publicly accused.
It was a very transparently calculated move, and i remain disgusted that it’s so easy for people not to see that.
i’m glad they did, but let’s not forget that they waited for their employers and agents to throw him away BEFORE they came forward. It demonstrates very clearly the power construct that kept Harvey at large preying on scores of women.
Read Julianna Margulies story of her encounters with Steven Seagal and Harvey Weinstein. In both situations, it was a female (casting director and then personal assistant) who set her up. They intentionally led a lamb to the slaughter.
Agents of both genders set their clients up to be ground up in this way, and they do it for the money and power. I suppose in a year or two we’ll have a spate of books and articles from agents who “regret” this, find something to blame for their failings, and wait for someone to option their confessions for filming and profile-raising interviews.
@Kitten and IlsaLund: that was my point.
These abusers deserve what’s happening, but all the people who fed their behaviors for decades ? Why dont’t we see their names ?
Fear and the machine. Some who won’t be touched are still powerful.
Not to mention there’s many more perpetrators out there going about their business as usual. Although, I was told by a friend that one is scared, laying low, and negotiating behind the scenes with at least one victim. He continues to feed the press positive and completely made up stories about himself, the most recent being his excuse for laying low. I hope he’s the next to go down. At least one of his victims was a teenager.
I can imagine there’s plenty of artists who have horror stories who are still quiet. And there’s plenty of supporting players in the industry like my friend who has heard things, suspects things, and has seen things that pinged with her. But none of that is enough to go to the police. She has talked to a few parents of younger artists on occasion. One took the advice to stay close to their kid at all times. The others didn’t seem too concerned.
This is my main concern: we are talking only about Weinstein but there are a lot of people running their business as usual.
Equate it to pirates. One ship got caught, maybe another; the other pirates hide in inlets until the heat seems over, then slide out of safe harbor to resume business as usual, including setting up new territories of business.
Eleonor, I totally agree. Harvey did not get away with as much as he did, for as long as he did without an entire system set up to protect him. The same goes for Spacey. This is a systemic Hollywood issue and these two guys are the only ones we’re hearing about. What about the many who not only knew, but procured or silenced victims?
I think everyone is wondering if anything will really change. Look at the careers of Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, and Bryan Singer. Even after multiple lawsuits, they still have the studios’ support because these directors make money for them. For the most part, the directors have been unapologetic about their actions. When the victims are lucky enough to get their day in court, jurors/judges sometimes will not believe them (see: Bill Cosby/Dr. Luke).
I believe Singer is going down. Soon.
Diane Kruger was on french TV a few days ago, and when asked about Weinsteinnshe answsered that 1)yes she knew about him 2) there is worse than him, definitely, particularly in the world of photographers.
So, I’m afraid we will only be fed a few scapegoats.
This happens everywhere. It happens at work, where my stupid principal says stupid shit at faculty mettings and everyone laughs. It happens at your work, and in Bars, and churches. I’m getting angrier and angrier every day.
I’m 55 and could lose 15 pounds. I got out of my car the other day and some guy looked me up and down. Usually i wouldnt even notice, but I almost said, “What the f are you looking at?” I was seething.
Yeah, She really is! And you can tell She is struggling to controll her anger. My deepest respect to all women, those coming forward as well as the silent ones, for What they have had to deal with!
Her rage is palpable AF dang.
She made me cry. When you believe it only happened to you and then you realize it happened to many and people you trusted lied to you (Tarantino).
I will wait for her full statement cuz I’m sure it will be a doozy.
I feel like you really got what thoughts were moving her.
That’s how I interpreted it too.
Her body language speaks volumes. I don’t recall anyone else looking so repulsed by HW as she does.
Yeah. I have chills. She is a woman in her power, and I am here for it.
Speaking in anger is one of my worst traits. I think I’m going to post her statement on my bathroom mirror as a daily reminder that self-control is a powerful thing.
Same, and I’ve definitely done it on this forum for sure at people that were attempting to victim blame or speculate about whether actresses were speaking the truth or not.
My heart goes out to her. The encounter, no matter what degree of assault, must be absolutely terrifying and shattering.
Tidy sound bite. Not tiny.
ETA: I see many others already said this, ha!
I hope Uma will be okay. She seems so hurt and full of anger.
The entire Hollywood power structure will offer up a few sacrificial lambs in hopes that business as usual can continue. Until all this impacts their ability to make lots of money, the powers that be will do their best to Circle the wagons and protect. Look at how the internet is being silently scrubbed of all things related to Bryan Singer.
I don’t know if its silent, because everywhere i “go” on the internetz, people are talking about this scrubbing.
Yeah I don’t know that the studios or whoever have the media controlling power that they once did. They can put pressure on TV, journalists, etc, but social media?
Social media is changing everything, and they can’t control the message as they used to when Harvey had power. They can attempt to scrub, but for some, that is simply a challenge to download and then expose it again.
There is a name I am waiting for from personal experience, and it is a big one. He ruined someone who deserved better, but they are no longer here to share their story. Someone else I know had a brush with him but wasn’t as fragile as the other person, so they are ok. He will have a hard time finding all his victims to pay off but I don’t doubt he is trying.
Isn’t Ronan doing another story?
I worry for the women who are not expressing their anger. Don’t worry about the women who are pissed & showing it. She will be okay.
preach baby, preach
idk what scrubbing you’re talking about
This breaks my heart. I hope she is getting lots of support.
So far, we are hearing from victims with a platform. I imagine that there are scores of women who slept with him or endured his abuse for a chance at making it big. This is truly sickening.
She is very wrapped up with all the main players here, so I can only imagine…
She was visibly angry. It will be interesting if she decides to tell her stories. I hope some talent agents and other culpable people are also named. I’m also hoping that the stories start coming out about Bryan Singer and Dan Schneider.
re: Dan Schneider– a few years ago Pajiba did a piece on how those rumors began as a joke on 4chan. I tried to find the article but this is what I got:
While I have no sympathy for Woody Allen’s witch hunt, I do worry about false accusations, and the thing about Schneider, versus Singer, is 1) there is a history of how those rumors began and 2) none of this seems to originate from victims at all. It’s all third-hand information. So as much as we should absolutely out people, that doesn’t mean that we should be careful about treating speculation as evidence.
Good point. I’ve been wondering about that one, since people been mentioning Dan Schneider and after doing some digging on him, so far I haven’t been able to find any allegations against him. Mostly dubious far-right, misogynistic, and anti-Semitic sources blogging, speculating, being very perverted, and playing the ‘blind item’ game. But, I did find out that there IS definitely a convicted pedophile who worked with nickelodeon for several years and also with Bryan Singer. His name is Brian Peck. He sexually abused a male nickelodeon actor. I’ll be looking for more information on Peck.
I had forgotten about Uma’s asssociation with Miramax. Plus with what Daryl Hannah said about her Kill Bill experience, who knows what Uma endured.
Slightly off-topic, but though she’s been silent I keep thinking of Renee Zellweger and then I become worried.
She’s another one who dropped off the face of the earth. Christ, this is so bad that when I think of an actress’s career tanking, the probability that she was Weinstein-ed is so high.
Yeah, I used to love both Kill Bill movies, but they’ve totally soured with me for MANY reasons, some of which are in the movies, and some of which involve the sexual predation going on behind the scenes.
Uma had to know about Darryl’s experience (Kill Bill), as per Darryl she called everyone she could think of (maybe Uma who knows) and the cast had to be confused when she was nowhere to be found re the plane, overseas at the premieres etc.
So wonder where her anger stems from. Is she going to say she had no idea?
Honestly, I never thought Uma was that great of an actress. In Pulp Fiction she looked great in that wig and in those clothes which was half the battle as her Mia was a bit vacant and stiff. Of course now it’s a classic and its hard to imagine another Mia.
Years ago, before Pulp Fiction, I heard rumors that QT cast Uma only after she did “sexual favors”. Muse, my ass! I’ll bet she’s got a lot of really ugly details.
Uma turned Pulp Fiction down the first time and Tarantino had to talk her into it so rumours about sexual favours … urgh. I’ve realised more and more how deeply misogynistic a lot of rumours about actresses are, and how many are started by awful men.
My Cousin is friends with Quentin and from what I gathered Uma and Quentin actually dated. My Cousin is in the industry and Quentin really rallied for her. She has nothing but high praise for him.
There is no need to engage in ugly speculation about a truth that is not your right to tell. What you are doing right now is what ruined Gretchen Mol’s career.
Ug , yes I agree with PP, do you realize what your comment perpetuates? This is part of the harassment accusing the actresses of ‘sucumbing’ to the casting couch and essentially calling them whores, it is exhausting, even when they speak out the conversation becomes the same, it seems they have two choice and two choices only:
Victim or whore
Neither here nor there but … this footage of Uma is from 2 or 3 weeks ago. Not sure why it took so long to get noticed. The stories have only got worse since then.
She can speak or not speak. I hope she does but she doesn’t owe us anything. Weinstein is dead in the water and hopefully about to be arrested.
She may have other stories, though; if I recall the Italian crew and British crew on Terry Gilliam’s Baron Munchausen movie had a bet going on who was going to ‘deflower’ her first, when she was 16 or 17. 🙁
Wow; it’s interesting that this is resurfacing as if she said this a day or two ago. I don’t understand the media.
I’m thinking its possible she spoke to a major outlet and thats why this resurfaced
Good point. There may be an article coming out. A lot of journalists are working on stuff. More stories, more names …
Yeah, I remember seeing this clip a while ago. I think someone just tweeted it recently and it gained ground after that. She said this before Quentin even addressed the situation, IIRC.
The sheer suppressed rage coming off her in that clip is giving me goosebumps.
And while we have no shortage of actresses speaking up, and even TWC employees trying to break their NDAS, I’ve noticed no agents or casting directors seem to have – they’re the ones who sent their clients to Wankstain and other known predators with full knowledge of what he was. Someone should be asking these women’s agencies the tough questions instead of demanding responses from actresses.
As a huge Uma fan, I was posting this clip around before hoping others would notice because I think it says a lot about what happens when you are in Hollywood for 30 years and start as a young ingenue. Uma has said she felt conflicted when she started because of how she was sexualized (there are modelling pictures of her at 14 that are so not appropriate and her first film at 15 was called ‘kiss daddy goodnight’ ) I read interviews when she was starting out and everyone wanted to ‘fuck’ her and she was constantly fending of men, producers, actors etc. I think she has learned to survive in ways that is necessary for an actress.
The idea that any of these actresses have power since they are successful is laughable, they will throw you out the minute they think you are too old, too anything., they never hold power, it is the directors and producers that do.
Look at the way they pit Johnson, Lawrence and Stone against each other, who is the hottest, who is the most fuckable, they treat them like racehorses.
Also this brings me to Gary Oldman, who treated Uma very very badly, some terrible rumours, she has protected him but I think still has anger, she was 19 he was 35.
I don’t mean this snarky, but I don’t know of an actress by the last name Johnson who is the same league as Lawrence and Stone. I am drawing a blank. Who do you mean?
I think she means Scarlett Johansson with last name auto-corrected?
Yes sorry Scarlett Johanson, that is who I meant. There is always an ‘it’ girl that wears the sexy crown until it is passed along, accused of sleeping with every man they speak to
Actresses have been considered whores since the dawn of time and not much has changed, patriarchal views are firmly embedded in the structure and won’t be dissolved without a serious fight.
My computer was shaking with the barely suppressed rage Uma was funneling in that clip. That was powerful. I really feel for her.
I’d heard stories (mentioned upthread) about her and Miramax/HW over the years and never really thought about it. Same as with Gretchen Mol. I’m ashamed of myself that it never really occurred to me that men like HW started and propagated those rumors.
As others have already mentioned, another layer of this story (all of these stories) are the agents, managers, publicists, assistants, casting directors, crew members, executives and more who aided and abetted these encounters. Virtually none of them have been called to account.
The last part of your comment needs to be on billboards throughout LA and Hollywood. They are just as culpable, although it can be argued that the powermongers of Hollywood created and maintained a toxic work environment, and have done so for generations. I think I am about done with it. CAncelling Netflix, not going to movies. I’ll support local artists
in my city and that’s it. Hollywood really seems like a cesspool of corruption and moral decay and crime and honestly seems ready to be nuked from orbit, to quote Queen Ripley.
I will say again, if it is the actors’ union, why doesn’t SAG look out for its members? Also, don’t the professional guilds have any power? Surely between them they could create a code of conduct and set up an independent and confidential body where people can lodge their complaints? The body could look for patterns of behaviour, advise people when legal action was appropriate and then SAG could support their members with legal and medical support if they need it. The independent body could also recommend that individuals are expelled from a professional guild. I am a member of a union and a professional body and that is the level of support I receive. If I lose my professional accreditation I will no longer be able to work.
The guilds are run by the people in power, i.e., the Harvey Weinsteins of the world.
Then that is what needs to be sorted out. Lawyers are disbarred and doctors are struck off, if their professional bodies can do that, so can the film industry.
You’re exactly right, the guild is supposed to protect its members. It’s outrageous that the entertainment industry has tolerated such level of exploitation and abuse for so many decades. Those suggestions are all very good.
Time for a change.
Here’s Maureen O’Hara in 1945 describing harrassment of herself. The more things change….
My husband is driving as i play the clip so he can’t see her face – just hear her voice. He asks if that was Uma T. I say ya it is. He says – wow that could be her in her Kill Bill character.
He could hear her fury from her intonaion alone.
I remember hearing talk about how Wall Street was going to be reformed after the GFC but before long they started getting up to their old tricks again. It’ll be interesting to see if Hollywood changes from this or if it reverts back at some stage.
It won’t because the problem is the power structure. When you have a steep hierarchy with no checks and balances, the people at the top will abuse people below them in many ways, whether through financial abuse, verbal abuse, or sexual abuse. It is human nature. It isn’t until checks and balances are implemented that this will change. Personally I think that it should be the case that cast and crew should be able to petition to have producers/directors/actors removed from guilds for any kind of abuse.
I agree. The industry as a whole needs to introduce an independant anti-corruption commission that has the power to remove people from the industry.
I see the trolls have not yet arrived: trust me, they’re on other sites. Maybe they commented here and the editors culled them, which would be great.
On other gossip sites, you’ll see comment after comment mentioning that Uma had “dinners with Weinstein” as if that makes her a co-conspirator in his rapes and other attacks. They all say that the women who reported him are complicit, and they had dinners with him.
If they show up here, I trust you’ll cull them. I like to see Harvey wasting his money on lame reputation management tech.
See MeeryM’/s comment right above yours, it victim-blames to the nth degree
All these actresses that people have said are crazy, bat shit, too loud, too seemingly eccentric, can’t keep a man… ALL those insults. Like Paz, Uma, and others like them, the whole time they’ve been quietly suffering and when the false veil of perfection slips in public or their trauma manifests itself in public drunkenness or drug use or public meltdowns everyone just jumps on them and judge them and make up a fake narrative to fit the “bitches be crazy” theme. The whole time they are just trying to move on and forget their own hell. Sometimes it just sucks being a woman. Respect to everyone trying to heal. Been there. I’d recommend EMDR therapy to anyone who needs to really clear some trauma out. Worked well for me.
I’ve done EMDR, grueling experience…I called it my weekly torture session. But it did the trick. It’s growing in prominence as an evidence-based practice. I believe the Department of Defense has recognized it as the second-most effective treatment for PTSD, but it’s also now being used with success for depression, anxiety, and other conditions as well.
And it never stops. As young women, we go through the sex entrapments, harassments, etc, we’re grown women with babies (where we do everything wrong… EVERYTHING), then we’re middle-aged (aging) so we’re discarded for younger prey and we’re crazy because all we feel we have left is our maturity and voice and if we use it, we’re simply old bitter biddies. The entire scope of our lives is groped, mocked and vilified by men and women alike. Isn’t it time? Are we fed up enough yet? Enough for change? I don’t know… social media says no. Women tearing women apart is a celebrated sport. It’s no wonder men continue their depravity… the road is there. It’s been paved and nobody is innocent.
I just saw the video last night of her and the rage in her voice and carefully sought out words is off the charts. I am sure that she has plenty to say and I wish she would have an hour-long primetime interview with reputable journalist and spill the beans on everyone and everything. I would be pulling up a chair and grabbing the popcorn because you know the aftermath would be volcanic.
Even if she never gives out any details or talks publicly about it, you know in her voice that some serious $hit went down. Good luck to her and everyone else that is/was dealing with these a$$hats.
I highly doubt this will happen and not because she is not brave and strong, but she would never work again, these abusers are propped up by billionaires and everyone has a $ value. They would go after her any way they could (and they will be going after all the women who said something) whatever they have done in their past, whomever they had relationships with, anyone who did not like them when they worked with them, will come out to make them look like any of the following (its already happening to Rose):
drunks, addicts, bitches, trading sex for parts, being mentally unstable, sleeping around, bad acting,…….
just wait for it, this will be the part where we as women have to truly stick by the understanding that a person does not have to be a saint to be a victim, they are flawed too but that does not take away from the harm done to them, I hate to be so pessimistic but I don’t see the entertainment industry changing any time soon.
Haha, polish director Zulawski ,former sophie marceau husband, criticised polanski and weinstein years ago. He was a badass and called harvey a hog. 😀
I will call him Weineswine.
oh. wow. she can barely contain the pressure cooker lid. did not know she had rage like that in her. let it blow off, girl!