Fat Nazi signs vague Executive Order which doesn’t really reverse his policy

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It was clear that the fact that putting babies, toddlers and children in cages was a horrific idea. Donald Trump and the Republicans realized that a little bit too late. They tried denying that it was happening. They tried blaming it on the Democrats. Trump tried blaming it on Congress. Kirstjen Nielsen tried lying about all of it. Apparently, it took Ivanka Trump to break through to her father. On Tuesday night, Trump admitted to House Republicans that he knows this was all a huge mistake but he didn’t “want to look weak” by, you know, removing the children from cages. Ivanka apparently came to her father at some point on Monday or Tuesday – when the administration was still ripping babies from their mothers – and told her dad that THE IMAGES of crying children in cages looked bad. Not the actual fact of the children in cages, but “the images” of them.

So Trump finally got off his giant Nazi ass and signed a vague executive order which… doesn’t really stop much. Families are still going to be held in cages, only now the border agents will maybe try to not rip babies and children from their parents. They’ll get to be in the American concentration camps together, possibly. So far, there’s no real reunification plan for the more than 2000 children currently in American custody, in cages. Internet lawyer Southpaw laid out a tweet thread about the vagueness of the EO’s language, and points out that Trump basically signed a document that doesn’t even explicitly say that families will now be held together after all.

As for those 2000-plus children and babies being “held” in cages, separated from their parents for hours, days, weeks and months… apparently, the government of the United States is forcibly injecting them with drugs to keep them subdued. Please read this story only if you want to completely lose your appetite. Also: WHERE ARE THE GIRLS?

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  1. Becks1 says:

    Thanks for this post. The Cheshire cat is a great analogy. I saw so many comments about how “we won!!” and “its over!”

    except…..not really.

    • Tate says:

      Not even close to over. They are shipping these kids all over the place. Who is keeping track of them? I am terrified for them.

      • ChillyWilly says:

        Yeah, the system loses track of American foster kids all the time. I also want to know where the girls are. It boggles the mind the atrocities committed against children in America and all over the world.

      • Megan says:

        According to the ORR, the onus is on the parents to locate their children. That means hundreds of children will never be reunited with their parents.

      • jwoolman says:

        Hopeful segment of Rachel Maddow Show 6/20/18:

        Americans finding ways to work against Donald Trump immigration policy

        https://youtu.be/8Jrm1Zi8jDQ

        People who are much smarter than Trump and his minions are working on ways to find those kids. Lawyers are volunteering. Airlines are refusing to fly kids away from their parents. One immigration aid outfit (a bunch of lawyers plus one director) wanted to raise $1500 on Facebook to test out paying bail for parents (so they can get their kids), and ended up quickly raising $15 million! Governors are recalling National Guard from the border. People are reporting any child-shifting activity that they spot in their areas. Childcare permits are being monitored.

        I don’t think many people are fooled by the vague Executive Order. They aren’t going to rest until every child is located and returned to the parents. I hope this is quickly successful, since the very young ones especially are being damaged and the trauma is severe.

    • Kitten says:

      OMFG those posts on Twitter were driving me nuts. Like, are we JUST getting to know Trump or have we had almost two years of his bullshit and should know by now the kind of games he plays?

      Like, how naïve can you be to trust Fat Nazi?

      (also Kaiser, I sent a screen shot of your headline to my BF because it’s perfect)

    • Megan says:

      F*cking Melania is at the border touring a detention center. Of course they are showing her kids who came as unaccompanied minors. Totally different situation. Complicit a-hole.

    • holly hobby says:

      A federal judge laid into the govt this morning. I think the defense asked how the kids would be reunited with their folks and the US Atty’s (I feel sorry for that office having to defense this $hitty rule) said it was an”inappropriate question.” The judge got pissed and said it was appropriate. That criminals receive a receipt for a wallet they turn in before getting incarcerated and they have no tracking mechanism for kids?!?!

      I think the courts will be the deciding factor here.

  2. grabbyhands says:

    This needs to continue to be front and center.

    This executive order is a giant sham and achieves next to nothing except placating the masses and the GOP so they can all sit there and whine “but he did something!!!”. 45 and his daughterwife and the rest of their little cabal are counting on this quieting the whole mess down so it doesn’t make them look bad at mid-terms. Unfortunately it will work for a lot of people.

    To be sure, the order wasn’t meant to actually do anything except take the heat off him.

    • BearcatLawyer says:

      And provide a major gift to private correction and construction companies.

      At some point Congress will have to vote on an emergency appropriation or raising the debt ceiling (indefinite detention will get very expensive very quickly). We need to pressure them not to fund concentration camps AND start investigating who owns stock in the companies that will benefit from them and seek divestment. I learned yesterday that Vanderbilt University is a big investor in one of the private corrections companies. Coincidentally I know a family that has had five generations of students there and has donated millions of dollars to the school. Their president is getting a call this morning about divestment. It may not work, but it is worth trying,

  3. lightpurple says:

    Did we really need the nipple shot of Princess Nagini so early in the morning?

    Do not give that monster any credit. She participates in every decision he makes and has been involved in this from the start. It was probably her idea. She was eager and happy to post her staged dog whistle portrait of perfect Aryan motherhood, even dressing a toddler in 3 layers of flannel pajamas on an 85 degree morning, as news of missing brown children was hitting the world. She only became concerned when she started getting flack for her silence AND a poll showed her approval rating in the low 30s, far far below ratings for jenna Bush and Chelsea Clinton. Her perfectly tended image was getting tarnished by those pictures of screaming brown babies so “Daddy, make it stop!” Then she was quick to thank Daddy for absolutely nothing, doing so on the POTUS account so it will be archived for history, and blamed Congress.

    Not a single child will be returned to his or her parents. Where are the girls? Ivanka does not care. But hey, look at her nipples!

  4. Lila says:

    “Where are the girls?”
    The last time we asked this was when terrorist organization Boko Haram kidnapped girls in Nigeria. Now the terrorist organization kidnappers are in the White House. Very Scary

    • km says:

      This is such BS! It changes absolutely nothing and people fall for this crap. I had to spell this out for my husband last night and he was in utter shock! I’m terrified for these children! I’m at work trying to keep my $hit together but have to go to the bathroom often to cry. 5 girls were being transported to a Cayuga facility in the middle of the night in East Harlem NY on Wednesday. They left the facility, I don’t remember how long after their arrival, and were transported, under a tarp, into a waiting car. When a flight attendant on American Airlines became suspicious of the girls being transported, she was told they were a soccer team. What are they doing with these girls???? Apparently there were almost 300 children sent to NY without the governor or mayor’s knowledge. I just don’t know what else to do to help. I’ve written letters, called, donated and plan on marching. I have a 2 year old cutie pie and I hold her tight every night when I get home for work.

      • Christin says:

        I am glad that MSM picked up on that local news video regarding young girls being marched to and from that facility after midnight.

        The video of two young people covered by black jackets as they got in a vehicle was extremely concerning. The tag number was clearly visible, and I hope someone investigates where they were taken.

        Thankfully people are leaking photos and information.

    • ORIGINAL T.C. says:

      Not for nothing but remember how flight attendants helped rescue girls being used as sex slaves. They also have stepped in to point out some missing immigrant girls being flown across the country. They started protesting by calling in sick. That’s why the airlines decided to no longer participate.
      https://youtu.be/GXSsH0E0TUA

      Let’s face it. People started protesting in Trump’s face. We was going to be met by more protesters at his rally yesterday. He can’t stand not being adored. And what if someone at the rally started a chant of “shame”?!!? That is why he “signed” not because of complicit Barbie! Melania only released the wishy-washy statement because Laura Bush’s OP-ED was going to be published the next day and her reps most likely contacted Melania to give her a heads up out of curtsy for her being the current GOP FLOTUS.

  5. kNY says:

    This is all such garbage. I was going to write more. But I just…I can’t.

  6. Elkie says:

    And there I was worried that Kirstjen Eichmann might never be able to stand again, seeing how she’d been lying for so long.

    And if you want to know how truly revolting the Trump family are, they have been posting happy families pics all week, with Vanessa adding bonus tents and references to summer camps, whilst KiddieKoncentrationKamp Barbie has finally piped up AFTER the event with a tone deaf tweet of her own. Ceckless Funt indeed.

  7. LaraK says:

    Why does Ivanka not know how to dress for work??? Every photo of her in the White House is so porn-y!

  8. Prettykrazee says:

    He’s such a Stunt Queen. Really an executive order? When all he had to do was pick up the phone!

    @Kaiser Thank you for calling them concentration camps. Bc that is exactly what they are. I tired of the PC terms. I also tired of the news reporting on this like he actually solved a problem! All while failing to mention he and that Racist Elf created it!!!

    • Kitten says:

      “I also tired of the news reporting on this like he actually solved a problem!”

      THIS^^^^^^
      Once again, MSM complicit. So tired of this bullshit. Call it what it is: a fake f*cking bill meant to placate everyone, a f*cking band-aid in an attempt to get back in front before the mid-terms. Ugh.

      • Save Mueller says:

        The fvcking title of the stupid thing gives away that it does nothing; “Giving Congress (why? It’s an executive order) the Opportunity (so just like a chance then, ok) to Address (oh maybe they will talk about) Family Separation”.

      • Veronica S. says:

        Not that they deserve that much credit, but CNN’s front page story is, “What will happen to 2300 children?” Which is should f*cking be because the problem certainly isn’t over. There’s also an article right below it actually examining the impact of it , although I wish they’d be blunter in stating it’s nonsense. So maybe somebody over there is learning a quarter of a lesson from 2016.

    • jwoolman says:

      Trump wants credit for cleaning off the graffiti that he himself spray painted onto the wall….

      He is still claiming these people are big criminals (for a worst a misdemeanor that used to be non criminal; applying for asylum violates no laws even in Trump’s America) and must be prosecuted. So who knows how this order will actually be applied.

      It’s not retroactive, so the thousands of kids still stuck in camps or foster care will not be returned to parents without a fight, which citizens have to do for the parents stuck in this situation and even already deported. And now the kids are scattered around the country, not just in Texas. The June 30 protests will undoubtedly focus on this.

      The rule is so simple:
      1. Don’t elect Nazis
      2. Don’t hire Nazis

  9. Digital Unicorn says:

    The story of the missing girls scares me, as I have images of them being sold off to flesh traffickers for the pleasure of fat old men like Trump. If these children are reunited with their parents there will be ones who ‘fall through the cracks’.

    I saw photo’s of him during the press for this EO where he sat on his fat ass, with the fat arms crossed sulking like the truly terrible child he is – sulking that he was made to do something that he didn’t want to. As for looking weak, only weak pathetic men pick on/use children and babies to try and blackmail his gov into giving him what he wants.

    As for Ivanka, I hope when they lock her up they put her children with her in the cage.

    For his UK visit next month there are big protests being planned in central London and I am going. He’s not going to get a warm welcome and we won’t be shy about calling him a Nazi to his face!!!!

    • Indiana Joanna says:

      This is his modus operandus. He creates truly damaging drama, then acts as though he fixes it and moves on to create more damage ala The Apprentice. As far as playing to his base, he hates them the most because they aren’t the “elites” who he’s been trying to impress his entire life. He also was afraid to lose his chance, as deluded as he is, to get a Nobel Peace Prize. Those children are still in cages separated from parents and will stay that way if nothing else is done.

      Grifter Ivanka’s bursting with gratitude tweet was another shameful way to appear invovled after bribing millions from Quatar thanks to her unelected position lest she be indicted for violating emoluments rules.

      I don’t understand why the press doesn’t call BS when the drump’s do their tag team cruelty and lies.

      • IlsaLund says:

        The media is in an abusive relationship with Trump. They feed off each other.

      • Indiana Joanna says:

        Ilsalund, So true. They are enjoying this totalitarian display because they get tons of material and it’s good for business. Maggie “45-access journalist” Haberman now shares her bylines with another reporter because she’s too busy being an apologist for babyfists’ comments on twitter.

      • lightpurple says:

        And her tweet was to the official POTUS account so it will be archived for history, not to the account he actually uses. He won’t see her tweet but then the writing of it was all part of the plot to try to make themselves look better.

      • Kate says:

        I’ve actually noticed with reporting on this story in various non-Fox news outlets they have actually been calling lies lies and setting the record straight with actual facts (and a bit of snark), which I appreciate. Example from the NY Times yesterday:

        “Was an order even necessary?

        No. Trump likes the flourish of signing executive orders in front of cameras, but most of his have amounted to asking his administration to conduct reviews and come up with proposed solutions to problems, or they have consisted of directives that he could have instead made with a phone call. This is one of those orders.”

      • holly hobby says:

        He can kiss his chances for a Nobel prize good bye. I’m sure the world knows about the baby concentration camps. I really think they are selling those babies to the highest bidders.

    • IlsaLund says:

      @Digital Unicorn. I’ve been hoping that the British give Trump the welcome he deserves. Maybe it will spur sheeple Americans to get off their comfy asses and take to the streets as well.

      • Kitten says:

        Sigh. On June 30th there are protests planned across the country. There were two protests here in Boston just this week. There are literally protests happening almost every day.

        https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/06/20/immigration-protest-floods-boston-statehouse/36220603/

      • Veronica S. says:

        You do realize that the United States is nearly the same size in acreage and has nearly half the total population as the CONTINENT of Europe, right? While I agree that people in America need to be more proactive on the streets, I honestly do not think most Europeans understand the sheer logistics of putting together a national protest here. I mean, really, our most densely populated states (California, Texas, New York, Florida) outrank the populations of nearly every European country except for the top eight.

      • Bea(trice) says:

        There are protests every single day in the US. I used to work in DC, during the Bush and Obama administrations, and there are protests against something there every. single. day. There is even a protest today in front of the right wing, Trump loving Congressman’s office in my small home town full of conservatives. Are there a lot of ignorant, compliant, racists in the US?- yes, yes there are. But there are plenty of people fighting this, just like there are revolutionaries in every single country in the world. Believe me when I say I knew of the facilities and camps in place during the Obama (and past) administrations, which is why I know most right wingers trying to defend Trump are talking out of their butts. A lot of us are ashamed of the US right now, but we are trying our bests to make things better in any way we can.

    • Lightpurple says:

      I hope her children refuse to see her

    • Veronica S. says:

      That’s exactly what’s happening to them, don’t kid yourself. I have absolutely no doubt ICE is working with human trafficking rings.

  10. aang says:

    This is so disgusting. But don’t fool yourselves into thinking this is new. Native families know the pain of having children taken to assimilation “schools”. Black families are still suffering generational trauma from family separations. Poor families know that CPS can take their children on a subjective whim and they can do little to stop it without good legal help. Poor, especially minority families know that a minor drug offense can result in parents absent for years. This is nothing new in America.

  11. Beth says:

    He didn’t even need to sign an executive order (which last week he claimed wouldn’t stop the kidnappings). He only had to make a phone call. This was a photo op for him to show how powerful he is and what a big heart he has. Now that these 2300 innocent children are spread across 17 states, what’s going to happen? Heartbreaking that too many of these kids will never see their parents again

    • lightpurple says:

      And to polish precious Ivanka’s image, which was taking a big hit.

    • Esmom says:

      I felt like I was taking crazy pills with the EO. Ending something they said wasn’t happening with such fanfare. If the lies were physical things, they’d be wading waist deep through the toxic muck in the WH.

    • Kitten says:

      Did anybody watch the 25 min roundtable on CSPAN? My BF made me watch it last night and it’s so f*cking insane. Just a bunch of old white dudes sitting around a table. Fat Nazi points to each of them and asks them to say something and each proceeds to kiss his fat ass. The whole thing is completely scripted/rehearsed and it is TERRIFYING to watch.
      It was like some Hitler-style, dictator, propaganda shit.

      Every day, I just can’t believe that all of this is happening. For all of our faults as a nation, never did I think that we would stand by and watch an authoritarian take over our government.

      • Giddy says:

        Yes! It was just like that embarrassing round table with his cabinet when they each thanked him for being so wonderful! Talk about nausea inducing.🤢

      • Swack says:

        @esmom – also something he said he could do anything about as it was up to the Dems to fix the law.
        @kitten, IIRC, didn’t he do something similar at his first, I believe, Cabinet meeting. Went around the table having them make a comment about him and the job he was doing so far? I could not be remembering this correctly.

      • Kitten says:

        Yes it was VERY similar to that. And remember when we all wanted to throw up the first time? Well now it’s even harder to keep the food down.
        It is seriously scary AF..like something out of a movie about a country’s descent into dictatorship. I watched it with my jaw on the floor.

        Those white dudes who surrounded him seem as brainwashed as his supporters.
        Sigh.

        Nobody is going to save us, guys, it’s up to us.

    • Bea(trice) says:

      One of my fave RW arguments is that this was not a Trump policy, it was a law put into place by Bill Clinton and that Obama was actually the one who put children in cages and that there was nothing Trump could do he was just following their policy and the meanie, hateful liberals and the evil mainstream media will do anything to smear poor baby Trump AND THEN the same people have the AUDACITY to congratulate Trump on signing the EO to “end the policy” (yeah right). So which is it?

  12. Eleonor says:

    I come from Guatemala.
    My hearts thoughts and prayers are all for my Hispanic cousins there.

  13. lightpurple says:

    Breaking news about a detention center in Virginia where teenage boys were kept nude in shackles and regularly beaten.

  14. Eric says:

    This whole shitshow with the separation was a huge (YUGE) defeat for Emperor Zero.

    Meanwhile, a continuing humanitarian crisis makes most Americans and the entire world cringe.

    I need a jolt to my optimism levels. I’m especially keen on a “Flip flop Friday” from Michael Cohen and a dose of Mueller Monday. When I get down, I think about Manafort in jail without a proper toilet.

    And btw, only an idiotic Fat Nazi would need to sign and post two executive orders because he can’t spell “separation.”

  15. RBC says:

    I guess signing a “executive order” sounds so more “bigly” and important, than just picking up a phone to put an end to this mess?
    Just disgusting

  16. HeyThere! says:

    After yesterday, I was attacker by an Instagram troll for a two sentence comment I made on a picture about it being wrong for this to happen at all, so I did some digging. I guess it is not a crime to seek asylum!!!! So that trolls that kept saying “but their parents are criminals!! What did they think would happen?! When you go to prison your kids get taken away!”, yeah it totally deflated that common theme. So, yeah. They are seeking asylum because they are leaving horrible conditions and this is happening?!?! I want to know how they are going to reunite allll the kids with their parents?! Makes me sick. Also, I might cancel Instagram since I’m new to it and I cannot believe the number of horrible people on there that said they didn’t care since there are homeless kids in LA that have it worse than nonAmerican citizens. Ahhhh!!! My brain is going to explode.

    • Esmom says:

      I hear you. They’re on twitter and FB, too. Yesterday on a local FB chat page, a woman was insistent about the “parents are criminals, this is what you get when you break the laws” narrative. When enough people finally replied with enough facts to make her back down, she immediately responded with “ok but what about all the homeless in the US?”

      Whataboutism at its finest. Always with the deplorables.

      • Indiana Joanna says:

        Esmom, I am only on Twitter but immediately block everyone who is a Fat Nazi supporter. The only way I can stay sane. It’s a cesspool. I guess I should take a break from it. It’s making me very angry all the time.

      • B n A fn says:

        I’m shocked he did not blame Hillary. He says he signed an executive order to keep family together, yet no one in his administration knows if all these kids will ever see their patients again. They are saying it’s the parent responsibility to find their children when they are all over the country. What I disaster. I never know in my life I would ever feel like I’m living in a third world country, and today I’m ashamed of this dotard, I will not call him president.

      • HeyThere! says:

        It is frustrating. Be glad you didn’t see the stuff instagram users were saying to Brode Miller(not sure I spelled his first name correctly) and his very pregnant wife MINUTES after they posted about the loss of their 19 month old daughter to a accidental backyard drowning. I was horrified. I am still haunted by the stuff that was on that post! People don’t really think like this do they?! They just feel invisible behind their phones?!

      • hogtowngooner says:

        Yep. The Deplorables hoot and cheer for every disgustingly illegal thing Trump has done. His cabinet stinks to high heaven with corruption.

        Yet they have the gall to lecture us on “respect for the law.”

      • Esmom says:

        HeyThere! On most platforms people can be anonymous if they choose but my local FB chat page is made up of real people from in and around my town. It’s a lot harder to hear this garbage from people knowing I will run into them at a high school band concert or the grocery store or gym. So much more disturbing to me than the anonymous trolls on Twitter.

      • HeyThere! says:

        Ugh that is horrible….when they are actual people you know in town! I’m not on Facebook or I probably would be mortified at what local people say.

    • Kitten says:

      Well it is legal to seek asylum through proper ports, but illegal to cross the border through an area that is outside of the designated ports. But in the past when they would jail people for crossing illegally, as long as they pled guilty they would be released on “time served”. Then they would determine if the immigrants met the criteria for asylum seekers and either deport them or allow them to become citizens.

      Not anymore.

      Now they are arrested and jailed indefinitely, or at least until they can be charged with illegal entry. I guess the new program fast-tracks up to 100 immigrants per day via group hearings, with cases handled in a matter of hours, from arraignment to sentencing.

      It’s FAR harsher than Obama’s policy..

      • BearcatLawyer says:

        Except it is not a crime to cross a border in order to seek asylum. It is a civil immigration violation which in the past was prosecuted solely in immigration courts, where immigrants would also prosecute their claims to asylum.

        Illegal entry prosecutions were historically brought against people who had been previously deported or had helped to smuggle people into the US. These massive group hearings in federal criminal court are nothing new. What is new thanks to this ridiculous zero tolerance policy is that bona fide asylum seekers are now being routinely charged with criminal illegal entry before having their claims heard in immigration court.

        What few people seem to realize is that the zero tolerance scheme is not deterring the vast majority of people from crossing and requesting asylum. Moreover, the policies of prior administrations to release families of asylum seekers from detention and allow them to fight their cases in immigration court clearly worked as we now have a years long backlog in immigration courts. They obviously did not abscond and fail to show up for hearings!

      • jwoolman says:

        A problem is that people hire guides to the border and do not have control over where exactly they enter. So even though they introduce themselves to the first agent they see, they can be slammed because it wasn’t an official port of entry. People interviewed said they didn’t know where exactly they entered mattered. They came clearly intending to apply for asylum. They weren’t running away from the border control agents.

        They aren’t necessarily dirt poor, but they are in danger of being killed back home. A common problem is that they have witnessed something such as a murder and the gangs are after them. They say they would have stayed home otherwise. It’s the overwhelming violence that is pushing them toward the US.

        I think they typically have relatives or friends in the US where they can stay, which is why they want asylum here. That’s a pretty normal migration pattern. In my family, one person got a job in DC decades ago and now we have an enclave of relatives in that area, because people could stay with a relative while looking for work.

  17. Chef Grace says:

    The children are being sold into the sex trade. No doubt some are being used for for experimental drug testing. And the Fat Baby Nazi knows how stupid his boot licking followers are. They BELIEVE.
    Meanwhile the USA begins it’s transitioning into the evil super power with Russia, China, and N. Korea.

  18. Marty says:

    There are no plans for reunification. There is NO PLAN FOR REUNIFICATION!

    We still don’t know about the conditions of the “tender age” camps or how/if they are keeping track which babies go to what family. This country is a dumpster.

  19. Veronica says:

    Not to mention the caveats attached to it…keep them together IF there are resources and IF there is funding. This is not to the time to take a breath of relief. There are more than a thousand children separated from their parents who may never see them again, and this movement is still pushing to turn asylum seeking into a crime rather than a legal option. Now is the time to turn up the heat.

  20. phaedra says:

    I was reading a book that was written in 2001 or 2. Published in 2002. The author complained about W. and about this stupid new thing called a lockdown drill. What I wouldn’t give to have W. back. I didn’t like him, but from the perspective of 2018 he looks like a prince. He didn’t scare the living s out of me on a daily basis. 45 does. 45 will literally do anything. ANYTHING. I honestly don’t know if America as we know it will last another year. I feel like this is a nightmare from which I can’t wake up.

    • ORIGINAL T.C. says:

      That’s the thing, many of us have been warning about Trump’s fascism and absolute control of the government for the past year. But many liberals still didn’t take him seriously and were all “but at least it’s not Pence!!”. Pence and Ryan are the old guard GOP, Trumpist have stumped on them and left them on their hands and knees begging.

      The GOP is now Trump’s party and his power is absolute thanks to his cult of followers. He can literally do anything he wants! George W Bush only had power for a limited time period due to 911. But it wasn’t absolute power, the Dems were complicit and the old guard had equal power to him. It was still limited power, the Dems helped give him that power. And the old guard had equal power. The old guard can’t stop Trump. He made them rich and Trump’s cult will push them out of a job.

      The only way to get our Democracy back is to get younger people elected who will take Trump head on without fears. The old guard Dems don’t realize the game has changed.

  21. lightpurple says:

    And now there are reports of a chicken pox outbreak in one of the centers.

  22. C. Remm says:

    The only thing I can think about is a general strike, I mean everybody stop working, that will bring the country to a stand still. Nothing would work anymore until those children are back with their families. Or demonstrate at the WH.

  23. Louisa says:

    Regarding the girls, it broke yesterday that 239 girls (some babies as young as 9 months) are being held at a facility in Harlem. Apparently even Cuomo (governor of NY) and DeBlasio (mayor of NYC) only found out they were here then also.

  24. B n A fn says:

    Where are the girls and babies? New York City Mayor and Governor Cuomo said 200+ children were sent to New York without being informed, where are the other thousand children being kept? Why all the secrecy? I’m a tax payers who will have to pay the bills. I’m willing to pay, but I want to see the conditions these children are living in. My heart aches for what these kids are going through. I just heard on TV that some of the children are beaten, kept in solitary confinement nude ect. This atrocity must 🛑.

    • Christin says:

      Assuming that the children will land in foster care, how will there be enough homes? My state has been running ads trying to encourage people to be foster parents, as the need is already there.

      Of course, building/running a bunch of centers to house unplaceable kids will pad some company’s pockets at taxpayer expense. Just cut out the foster parents.

      • B n A fn says:

        Instead of trying to find foster homes they should reunite these children with their parents. Did the parents willingly gave up their children, I don’t think so, IMO this is kidnapping these children and offering them up to foster parents. Who knows if these homes are fit, I hope the aclu file a class action law suite on behalf of parents and children. I guess it will be hard to reunite all because they were not keeping records to match parents with children. When I adopted my dog they had all his records on file. This MUST 🛑.

      • miss pumpkin says:

        That is what governments do nowadays: instead of helping parents with the parenting or helping and paying foster parents they pay a provider who delivers inadequate care and pockets huge profits — kickbacks to politicians and political parties.

      • Christin says:

        This is shining a spotlight on a messed up, profiteering system.

        Just saw where Avenatti has been approached by whistleblowers, who have already been alerting media the past few days.

      • holly hobby says:

        Yes Avenatti said on twitter he’s taking whistleblower cases. I think in the end it will be the one two punch of Mueller and Avenatti that will bring this sham regime down.

  25. Natalie S says:

    Why even have this policy if they didn’t have housing for the kids? I know they don’t care about the children but what were they thinking about themselves and their ineptitude? John Kelly is behind this along with Miller and Sessions, but Kelly is not incompetent.

    Something profoundly unsettling is happening here. None of these people thought there would be consequences for their behavior even if children were abused or went missing. Crimes have been committed here and no one felt nervous about their own liability.

    Also, regarding the Deplorables’ excuse of committing a crime -doesn’t make it open season on people. Part of being a nation of laws is that we also govern ourselves by these laws. What has happened here us abuse and criminal.

  26. Anastasia says:

    I just have no words. This is evil on top of evil on top of evil. I’m going to a rally in my city on June 30 to #KeepFamiliesTogether. I encourage everyone to see if there’s a rally near you and GO.

  27. Laura says:

    Reading about the horrific treatment and abuse of innocent children makes me want to vomit. I don’t understand how ANYONE thinks its okay or acceptable to treat children so horribly.

    I firmly believe that the world needs to come together to help fix the countries from which these families are fleeing. If the root of the issue of illegal immigration/aslum seekers is never addressed or solved then this situation will never change and these people will be vulnerable to abuse by the idiots in charge of the nation they’re fleeing to. I bet many of these people want to stay in their country of origin but cannot because of various problems, so wouldn’t it make more sense for the world to work toward making these countries better places to live? The wealthier countries cannot take in everyone who seeks asylum or who enters illegally, no matter how awful their previous lives are. Its simply not realistic to rescue everyone. We need to rally together to ask what needs to be done to help these nations improve conditions so that their citizens do not risk their lives fleeing elsewhere.

    My heart goes out to the families currently suffering at the hands of the Trump administration. I doubt things will get better anytime soon because its clear that the POTUS does NOT want these people in the USA because they are not white and/or wealthy.

    • BearcatLawyer says:

      Any student of history knows that the US has greatly contributed to the destabilization of Central America. While it would be nice if other countries would help to improve conditions in the region, we should not expect everyone else to clean up the messes we made.

      No, the US cannot rescue everyone. But we have signed treaties requiring us to protect people who would suffer violence, torture, death, or other serious harm at the hands of the governments of their native countries or forces their governments cannot or will not control (e.g., gangs). So we must protect and not deport bona fide asylees.

      And you are correct – most of these people would much rather stay in their home countries. But forces far beyond their control have made that impossible for now.

    • Aang says:

      The Monroe Doctrin and the Roosevelt Corollary pretty much claimed US dominion over Latin America. We warned Europe to stay out and declared the US the only country allowed to intervene militarily in this hemisphere. Then we made a mess by interfering. We broke it, we bought it.

  28. Jodi says:

    I’m sure Ivanka’s nipples showing through her shirt also helped Daddy’s decision

  29. ChristineM65 says:

    This EO does absolutely nothing. The Zero Tolerance Policy is still in effect. This order now enables them to keep the family together, IN JAIL, possibly indefinitely. OR, after 20 days, they will probably still have to release the children per other law. So, this continues.

    They are also turning away people trying to enter through a POE so that the people will then be caught going across the border at a non POE point.

    This EVIL Administration knows EXACTLY what they are doing. Racism is alive and well. If they are doing this on the southern border, this is only a start.

    I had to UNFOLLOW and BLOCK a long time ‘friend’ on Facebook finally yesterday after he had the gall to state that thankfully this EO put an end to this ‘manufactured crisis’ that really wasn’t happening at all. YUP, he doesn’t believe children were being ripped from their parents PLUS you know, they are criminals/illegals anyhow so what’s the big deal.

    My ‘friend’ has always been a provocative one and several of our mutual friends thought that he was just being provocative through this whole horrible nightmare that began with Dotard’s election, but clearly, he drank the kool aid. No changing his mind and to find out that someone you have known for DECADES is a closet racist, wow!! His best friend through high school and college was a Native American too. Just blows my mind.

    My son and I are attending a June 30 rally here in LA. This fight is just getting started and I’m really scared of what this country is becoming.

  30. Mel says:

    I live in Brazil and our media is covering this.

    There are more than a hundred brazilian kids in this situation.

    One in particular is an autistic boy, who came with his grandma. He was sent to detention in Connecticut and his Grandma is detained in Texas.

    The Embassy and his family can only talk to him once a week and he is always crying and stressed on the phone.

    I know America receive a lot of immigrants but there are no excuse for this policy.

    Thousands of venzuelan people come everyday to Brazil and Colombia, for several reasons, including, hunger. Our borders are open and they are directed to shelters. For all our faults, I can´t imagine doing this to kids. Its a violation of several human rights.

    • jwoolman says:

      I remember decades ago here in the US, I heard a talk by a man active in a field workers organization, he was either Mexican or Mexican-American. He said the real solution to illegal immigration was to just have open borders. Things would adjust according to the job market. That was a new idea to me, but the basic approach makes more and more sense. We can protect against the “bad dudes” Trump wants us to hide from under our beds in other ways. Under Obama, the entry rate of Mexicans to the US was actually negative – more were leaving than were staying. People usually do prefer their home country and leave it only when needed, such as to get work or to escape a violent situation.

      And when refugees from violence or hunger are involved – well, that’s the one safe thing we can always do for each other. Give shelter to the refugee and feed the hungry. Military meddling and forcing regime change has never worked out too well and just makes war too profitable.

  31. ladida says:

    One of the major problems with this administration is that they continue to roll out policy mandates their agencies are totally and fundamentally unequipped to deal with (like DHS suddenly having to care for 2000+ children). It takes a lot of paperwork to manage family separations, paperwork these agencies weren’t able to prepare for in advance. It truly scares me that some of these voiceless children will be unable to advocate for themselves and thus locate their parents, who may or may not have been properly accounted in the process of separation. These procedures need to be formal, not half handed. Obviously, the fight is far from over. The sad part is, we have REAL problems without having to create new ones.

  32. Nn says:

    Why aren’t the children sent back to their respective countries? Why isn’t the US government working with the governments in these countries? The kids should be sent on a plane and government in the countries they came from should help them reunite with their parents.

    • BearcatLawyer says:

      Because in many cases these children and their families are at risk of torture, extortion, and death in these countries. They did not come all the way to the US for a vacation!

    • jammypants says:

      Because…they escaped those countries? Why would they go back when doing so can threaten their lives? That’s the whole point of seeking asylum.

      • Nn says:

        Then I have been receiving the wrong information.
        I thought the children were either sent alone or kidnappers from their countries had taken them to the US for easier entries and that’s why more children are coming in.
        And apparently the parents are still in their home countries.
        This is getting frustrating because there are no facts anymore and our media are doing a shitty job at reporting news.
        Why isn’t independent news orgs. going to the detention centers with camera in hand so we can see what the hell is going on!
        DNA test the children and the adults accompanying them.
        Let’s reunite the children with their families if they have any.
        If most are coming via Mexico then let the mexican government take responsibility ffs!

      • B n A fn says:

        The media went to the centers the children are held, they are/were refused entry. MSM were told they have to wait two weeks, BEFORE they can enter. They don’t want us seeing the conditions the children are living in. They have refused senators, mayors, gov ect. Only the jailers are given access in most cases.

    • Chem says:

      The Mexican government informed that 1% of the kids detained are Mexican, however they’re working with the other countries to help all the kids. Mexico is not responsible but is helping

  33. B n A fn says:

    Saw wife #3 wearing a jacket on her way to check the faculty where she children are being kept, the jacket on the back has the graffiti like writing “I really don’t care do u?” When she disembarked from the plane, we are paying for, she changed jacket. I guess she just told us. They do not care what we think. Let’s vote in November and show we care.

  34. Rescue Cat says:

    Politics does my head in. I can’t stand the hypocrisy anymore. It’s too much.

  35. JP says:

    I’m in my mid-40s and I feel physically sickened every time I read a comment that calls someone in the Trump administration a Nazi- maybe it’s because I’m old enough to not think of WWII as ancient history, but that was a word that was never regularly used by anyone. The atrocities the Nazis committed and the concentration camps they ran bear no resemblance to what is occuring at the borders. The Nazis systematically rounded up and exterminated citizens of the countries they occupied. Comparing the separation of children from their parents drastically minimizes the atrocities the Nazis committed in the concentration camps. I do not support separating children from their parents, but over 6 million Jews were exterminated by the Nazis, so continuing to draw comparisons between these two situations is not only factually inaccurate, but truly abhorrent.

    • Rescue Cat says:

      I agree. Plus I can’t imagine Hitler or any other Nazis being pro-Israel or accepting a Jew for a son-in-law. Being anti-semitic is part and parcel of being a Nazi. It almost feels churlish having to point out something so obvious.

    • jwoolman says:

      Hitler didn’t start by exterminating people or invading other countries. He started with Make Germany Great Again and Germany First and calling Jews vermin (note Trump said these immigrants were infesting our country, which means the same thing – they are pests to be eliminated, they are vermin).

      Small steps added up to big steps and then people were being mass murdered rather than just collected in internment camps. Like Trump, Hitler surrounded himself with yes men of like mind and put people in charge and hired other staff who were just as pathological as he was. The Trump Administration in words and action is all incredibly dangerous. It is not politics as usual. It is not normal. It is not what free democracies are supposed to do.

      Even Godwin, author of Godwin’s law often cited to shut down comparisons with Nazis in net discussions, has said on Twitter to go ahead and compare these people with Nazis. He does it himself.

      Really, people who study such things are saying quite clearly that what we are seeing is how it starts. This is why otherwise good people in 1930s Germany went along with Hitler to the end. There were actually protests that saved some lives, but not enough. Invoking the experience with German Nazis is very powerful because we need to make sure people know where this is headed if we don’t dig in and resist our government’s actions.

      Of course the comparisons are uncomfortable. They are intended to be. The fathers of people my age fought against the Nazis in Europe. It is the most memorable and powerful example we can use that will be recognized universally in our culture.

      And the comparison is not a stretch. There is good reason to believe that Trump is a neonazi sympathizer and a white supremacist or at least a malignant racist, and people like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon are basically neonazis and white supremacists (birds of a feather in our culture). It is a mistake to assume that antisemitism is the mark of naziism. That’s not even in the dictionary definition. Anti-otherism or racism is indeed a defining characteristic, along with authoritarianism. And of course it will look different in our culture. As people noted many decades ago, when fascism arrives in the United States, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible. Sound familiar now?

      We need to realize we are going down the same dangerous path as good people did in 1930s Germany. We have a President who adores dictators, who thinks he should not be questioned, and who, again like Hitler, constantly attacks the media and calls them fake news (the German term was Lügenpresse, literally “lying press”). Look how long it took for the kidnapping of babies and small children from their parents at the border to really surface in our consciousness. It’s been going on full force and accelerating for months. They likely had test runs last summer. Look at the severe damage done to those children now and in future. And they are still separated from parents and the government doesn’t think it has an obligation to find them and restore them to their families. The alarm bells are ringing and we can’t ignore them like the Germans did.

      • JP says:

        Again, I totally disagree with your comparison between the rise of Hitler/Nazis and our current administration. Using highly charged words like “Hitler” and “Nazi” is irresponsible and intended to create fear. Most of the media does not accurately even report the news anymore (case in point, the cover of Time magazine with a picture of Trump and a young child, allegedly having been separated from her mother- the child’s father and other news outlets have stated the child was not separated from her mother, but Time hasn’t pulled the cover and many other news outlets continue to run this story). Previous administrations were never subject to a media who was so heavily biased and actively tried to bring down a lawfully elected President. Our country has an obligation, first and foremost, to its own citizens. This is not to say that other, non-citizens, should be mistreated, but the fact that we are currently more outraged over those who are trying to gain entry into the US illegally, rather than protecting our lawful citizens is misguided. I strongly favor legal immigration and our current system, decades in the making, needs to be fixed. But I would never equate the current climate to Nazi Germany or what the Jews were subjected to.