Thomas Markle wants the Archbishop of Canterbury to help heal the rift with Meghan

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This is what I thought would happen, so… bully for me for correctly predicting just how awful the White Markles would be during Meghan’s pregnancy. Despite Thomas Markle and Samantha Grant doing dumb interviews about how “happy” they are about Meghan’s pregnancy, dumb con artists are always going to find an “angle” to manipulate their intended mark. And make no mistake, Thomas and Samantha ARE con artists, and they’re emotionally abusive jackasses. They believe they can manipulate Meghan through the press, and even if they fail at that, they’re still going to make some money off of her. Well, Thomas is apparently telling people – or British tabloids – that he’s “contacted” the Archbishop of Canterbury. For the love of all that is holy.

Thomas Markle has contacted the Archbishop of Canterbury in a bid for help healing his rift with Meghan and is allegedly considering a legal fight for access to his future grandchild. The Mexico-based former lighting technician has reportedly renewed his appeals to Kensington Palace and wants to fly out to London to meet his daughter after she returns from the royal trip to the South Pacific.

The 74-year-old, who could not attend May’s royal wedding due to heart palpitations, is also said to be asserting his ‘rights’ to see the future grandchild.

‘Thomas says the Markle blood will be as much in the child’s veins as the “blue blood” of the royals and he has “rights”,’ a source told The Mirror. ‘He admits mistakes but with Meghan pregnant, he is desperate to heal the rift. Thomas has reached out to Kensington Palace more so since news of Meghan’s pregnancy broke, hoping the baby will be what finally breaks their estrangement.’

Mr Markle has not spoken to his daughter since May and reportedly heard she was pregnant on the car radio. He hopes the child will be called Thomas if he is a boy, it is claimed.

[From The Daily Mail]

I laughed, I’m sorry. He’s so dumb. He’s such an unrepentant a–hole. He’s like a comic book villain. “He hopes the child will be called Thomas if he is a boy.” LMAO. And now I feel sorry for the Archbishop of Canterbury – that poor dude will be fielding calls from this con artist for months, probably. I hope the Archbishop is like “well, God’s love is important but actually you’re an emotionally abusive jackass, so no, I’m not going to help you.”

Meanwhile, I hope Meg stays unbothered.

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  1. Christin says:

    Actions have consequences. Hopefully the archbishop will tell him to examine himself and not play the “forgive family no matter what” angle. I think the latter is what Tommy wants.

    The delusion and self-centeredness is high with this guy.

    • ByTheSea says:

      And did anyone else notice that now it’s “heart palpitations” and not heart attack anymore?

      • Some chick says:

        Hahaha, YES!!!
        Whatever for him. The silent treatment is super effective!

      • minx says:

        Yes I noticed that.
        I have heart palpitations if I drink too much coffee. Big deal.

      • Cali says:

        @ByTheSea YESSSSS!!! That is the first thing I noticed, second was that his blood will be in the child, unbelievable. I hope Meghan NEVER speaks to him again.

  2. Chaine says:

    OMG, even my partner who pays no attention to royal news is like “what is wrong with these dreadful Markles”

  3. Kittycat says:

    I’m scared. This guy will not stop.

    Thomas could have been at the wedding and could be apart of his daughter’s life.

    • Loopy says:

      I have said this before i am glad he didnt go to the wedding….he is the type of loony who would probably faked a heart attack as he walked her down just for attention.

      • Zapp Brannigan says:

        Also can you imagine him and Prince Andrew in the same venue at the same time? The reception would not be able to contain that much buffoon windbag-ery.

      • PrincessK says:

        I am glad he was not there he would have messed the day up and I think Meghan is glad he was not there. The man seems to have a long standing drink problem, which has affected his clear thinking and allowed him to be influenced by his gross daughter Scammy Grant.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      My view: He wasn’t actually interested in the wedding or in having a healthy relationship with her. He wanted money, attention and applause. I doubt he was ever really going to go, and he concocted a flawed cover story.

      This Archbishop of Canterbury story is a cue for “Will no one rid me of this troublesome….” comments.

      • Giddy says:

        Yes! Of course the difference is that this time it will be the Archbishop muttering a slightly changed quote, “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome American?”

      • Catrìona says:

        Nah…. If he actually deigns to speak to Tom Markle the Archbishop will advise him to ‘get counselling’, after which he will assure Markle that counselling will assist in resolving the problems.

        This is what clergy do to shake themselves loose of those pesky troublemakers who take up clergy time complaining about problems which are of their own making.

        (Note : I was a clergy wife for almost 25 years. ~shudder~ I saw it all.)

      • Bustah Gutt says:

        The Markles are behaving the way low-class relatives always do when a family member wins the lottery, by sticking out their hands. For the love of Pete, can somebody get Thomas a diamond-encrusted tiara—to cram up his ass? Poor Meg.

    • jay says:

      He’s so abusive, controlling, and creepy; it makes my skin crawl when he talks about his blood running through her and her child. He’s literally saying “I’M INSIDE YOU”. Disgusting.

      • CooCooCatchoo says:

        … he hopes they name the baby Thomas. And the bit about HIS blood inside of that child.
        Cheese and crackers, this guy is super creepy.
        Like I’ve been saying from the start: Thomas Markle has an unhealthy obsession with Meghan. He sees her husband as a rival.

  4. TheOriginalMia says:

    Legal rights? He has none. Meghan and Harry can decide who is or isn’t in their child’s life. Guess what Tom? You won’t be. This fool will continue to act up until he’s in his grave. And I hope Meghan continues to live her best life and ignores him and her toxic siblings.

    • Missy says:

      The man is crazy to think he has any legal rights to their child. I’m speechless

    • Olive says:

      he’s one of those idiots who heard of grandparents’ rights once and doesn’t realize that is a very limited – and well defined – legal term that certainly wouldn’t apply in a situation with two married parents and a child he will never meet. he thinks he owns meghan so of COURSE he thinks he will own her child too.

      • ms says:

        Exactly. Grandparents’ rights are a real thing, but it doesn’t mean – by any stretch – I want to visit with my grandkids so you have to present them.

      • Lunde says:

        Britain doesn’t really have grandparents rights. You can sue in rare cases – BUT – you have to apply for permission to sue and prove that you had a significant relationship with the grandchild which Markle can’t do. He probably doesn’t have the ££££s that would be needed either.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        I gotta say I have been a lawyer for 15 years and I have never seen threats of a lawsuit do too much to heal family rifts. What a nasty abusive jerk

    • jessamine says:

      DELUSIONAL. And hope any lawyer he consults sets him straight about his “rights.” In my work issues regarding “grandparents’ rights” do come up but pretty sure it only applies when the parent is deceased or has had their children removed and negotiates visitation between the grandparents and the custodial parents/guardian in their absence. If your biological child wants nothing to do with you, lump it.

      • Dragonlady sakura says:

        Grandparents rights?! He can see his grandchild…on tv like everyone else.

      • Nikki says:

        Whew!! i was nervous, wondering if grandparents’ rights were a thing in England!! Poor Meghan; these people are absolutely horrendous stalkers, and so abusive.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Oh lordy, we ran into a spot of bother with the “grandparents rights” thing. It’s a hallmark of abusive people who think they ‘own’ others as if they are property. A simple letter from a lawyer usually shuts them up.

    • Kelly says:

      If you’re talking legal (and this is my view as someone with no legal experience) he has no grounds while Meg and Harry are alive and together. IF something happened to her, obviously Harry has full say in what is best for the child. If something happened to both of them, as a British citizen and minor royal, the queen (or charles, if he’s king at that time) would get full custody, no questions. Should some king Ralph situation come up and no member of the BRF existed anymore, then it would be Doria. No court in their right mind would force visitation or custody fights when there are so many more suitable people.

    • minx says:

      He has not a leg to stand on.

  5. Dtab says:

    Jog on

  6. Jan90067 says:

    Oh dear God, so it’s true! Evil Papa “I Will Not Be Giving Anymore Interviews” Smurf is blathering on again! I’m sure the Archbishop has layers of assistants that will *take a message* . I doubt that POS Papa can get straight through to him. SMDH, what is WRONG with these people??? Literally, NO SHAME, NO self respect.

    Do you think it would come down to M&H taking out a restraining order? Or lawyers putting out a cease and desist? How could they enforce it, esp. in other countries? Poor Meg!

  7. Bettyrose says:

    Is there a precedent for a grandparent winning visitation rights when both parents are alive, competent, and functionally co-parenting? I get why grandparents have rights if one or both parents isn’t capable of parenting..but what is he even saying?

    • terra says:

      He’s hideously misinformed. For one, he’s going on what he knows of “grandparent’s rights” in the USA and I doubt he’s any closer to the truth of the British laws on the subject than to here.

      My understanding of the law in the United States is that a grandparent can seek access to grandchildren that they have a previous relationship with. Competent parents are NOT required to allow parents they are estranged from anywhere near their children. That’s just not the way it works.

      Granted, I’m not an attorney, so I’m sure I’m missing a vast majority of the finer details.

      Also, the Archbishop of Canterbury? My guess is that Thomas Markle called the number for guided tours and is now pretending that means he’s been in conduct with officials. Smdh. This family gives mine a run for its money – and that’s saying something because my family is a nightmare.

      • Chaine says:

        Plus he doesn’t even live in the US, he lives in Mexico!

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        The ‘rights’ of grandparents would be the same as those of any custodial rights previously granted by the court to anyone for whatever reason. So, in this case, Mr. Markle has no such claim. Future Baby Duchy will have, we hope, two competent living parents (and parents of means, I must say, plus others well capable of stepping in and raising Baby Duchy, such as William and Kate, the obvious potential guardians). Visitation is similarly up to Baby Duchy’s parents.

        Thomas Markle is, however, a US citizen, but I don’t know if that would have any bearing on anything because none of his claims have any merit.

      • Cal says:

        Oh god, can it get any more obscene?
        The minute a person starts blathering about his (imaginary!) legal rights when he’s met with any resistance, you can take it that love, peace, and understanding have damn all to do with his thought process. (As if we had any doubts on the matter)
        It’d be so good if sovereign nations could preemptively ‘excommunicate’ persons they abhorred. An ex cathedra ruling, declaring these Murkles each a persona non grata, and to be halted and repulsed at any airport or submarine dock on British territory! Grrrrr.

    • Tasz says:

      You are correct. In the US, grandparents do not have rights to access. An exception might be if the parent(s) are deemed unfit or parents are deceased.

      This is just another ploy for attention on his part. So sad.

    • Becks1 says:

      Grandparents have very limited rights even in the United States. If Harry and Meghan were both US citizens living in the US, Thomas Markle would basically have no claim to the child. I’m not sure how British laws are but I cant imagine he has a leg to stand on here. And like I’ve said before on here – KP et al is ignoring him, but going after the royal baby, and the grandchild of the future king, is a sure way to get a reaction, and its probably not going to be the one he wants.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        His level of delusion is very high … it’s almost like he thinks going after the British Friggin’ Royal Family elevates him to their status and levels the playing field. Scary stuff.

    • Amelie says:

      I looked it up, it varies state by state. In NY where I live for example, grandparents can sue for access if one of the parents dies, if they already have a substantial existing relationship with grandchildren, or if the parents have interfered with a grandparent establishing or maintaining a relationship with a grandchild. The grandparent has the burden of proof to show they should have access and that maintaining a relationship is in the child’s best interests. Also if a grandchild is adopted, this does not cut off a biological grandparent’s right to request visitation. However a variety of factors are involved considering the child’s age, the child’s wishes, the relationship with the parent/grandchild, the grandparent’s attitude toward their grandchild etc. It’s not a simple process and I think most families avoid it because it is expensive and means exposing all your dirty family laundry to the court which could be traumatizing for the grandchild.

      From what I see NY grandparents visitation laws are more liberal than other states that can be more restricted. Which is not surprising considering NY State was one of the last states to finally allow no fault divorce in 2010 and was super conservative regarding marriage laws, it was such a hassle getting divorced usually involving a formal separation. NY state is all about keeping it in the family.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        NY State is strange in some ways, as you say. But even with this, as you say, the court will need to hear good reasons for visitation and other rights. Usually if an adult child has cut off his or her parents, or otherwise restricts their access to a child, there’s a darn good reason. I suspect most grandparents who bring this up use it as a manipulative threat to see if their adult children will back down.

      • Bettyrose says:

        There’s no doubt that Grandparents can be an invaluable part of children’s lives -mine were- but Baby Sussex actually has grandparents from both sides who will be closely involved. Their kid(s) will not lack for extended family.

  8. Queenb says:

    If that doesnt work he should contact Harrys buddy Obama.

    • Catrìona says:

      ??? Stupid comment. What would Obama know about English law? The man’s a foreigner.

      • Meadow says:

        Pretty sure that’s a joke; TM already claimed to contact the Archbishop of Canterbury, which is obviously not true given how important the man is… Obama would be completely unreachable.

      • Bettyrose says:

        I think her point was that Obama is friendly with Harry and could put in a good word for Thomas. Which is the same level of absurdity as contacting the Archbishop.

        ETA: Nvmd. Meadow’s response explains it perfectly

      • Catrìona says:

        Oh. Ok. I was going through a brain-dead. Moment. Thanks for setting me straight.

  9. Zapp Brannigan says:

    “The 74-year-old, who could not attend May’s royal wedding due to heart palpitations,” So not a heart attack as earlier reported then?

    “Is also said to be asserting his ‘rights’ to see the future grandchild” So legally the Queen of England has custody of this child technically, right? In the event of divorce she claims custody, as with George and Charlotte, the ruling monarch has custody of the heirs to the throne. So Big Poppa Markle is going to take the fu&king QUEEN OF ENGLAND to court for a face off, good luck with that.

    • Snap Happy says:

      I caught the heart palpitations thing too. Even the people publishing this stuff know he is lying.

    • jan90067 says:

      I thought that the Monarch (whichever is on the throne at the time) only had guardianship of children in the direct line to the throne? That wouldn’t include H&M’s kids then, as Harry is the 6th? Wouldn’t that end with him, esp. if W&K have one more child?

    • Adee says:

      “So Big Poppa Markle is going to take the fu&king QUEEN OF ENGLAND to court for a face off, good luck with that.”
      Lol lol lol ….comment of the day!!

      But seriously… wouldn’t Meghan have to be a WILLING participant to reconcile?

      • Heather says:

        The attempts of Thomas Markle and his two oldest children to bully the duchess into submission hasn’t worked. So now they’re hoping the Queen will bully her into submission so they can have more access which equals more media stories which equals more money. It’s not about Meghan or her baby at all, which is sad.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      The heart attack story changes every single time he talks about it plus U r correct when you say that TQ is the LEGAL guardian of those who are considered to be heirs to the throne and I think it inc Harry’s kids, it def true for the DoLttiles kids.

      This is all attention seeking bluster from him. He wants a part of the attention they r getting fro the tour and media surrounding her pregnancy.

      I wonder if he ever tried to force Scammy and Jr to give him access to their kids. But they aren’t Royal are they.

      This creature is obsessed with The Queen, he thinks that as Meghans father he’s now some sort of senior RF family who need to be made a Duke stat. He really thinks he’s more important the TQ and Chuck, just because he donated sperm.

  10. BlueSky says:

    He’s such a dumbass. yeah, constipated gorilla (sorry, that is all I see in that header pic) go ahead and pursue legal action. It’s just another tactic used by emotionally abusive a-hole. He’s all talk. BTW if you want to heal the riff, STFU.

    I doubt he has any legal standing. He’s just talking out of his a$$. Meanwhile you got other grandchildren you don’t pay attention to.

  11. Melania says:

    When even Daily Mail’s readers are against Thomas and agree with Meghan it means that everyone has now seen the true colors of this man.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      But the Fail keep,pushing him and Scammy on us. The Fail will get bored of it and will drop their file on them. They will have all the receipts

  12. Eleonor says:

    Holy jesus!
    I think the archbishop doesn’t give a crap about him.

  13. Snap Happy says:

    Why won’t one of these interviewers come out and ask him why he isn’t demanding access to his other 5? grandchildren? This man is shameless. What an a$$

    • Chaine says:

      Lol, Tyler Dooley is the Pippa Middleton of the Markle family. Relatively harmless, but still working his royal connection for $$$ and attention like there’s no tomorrow. He’s a pot farmer that named one of his marijuana products after her… second thought, maybe he’s a James not a Pippa…

    • JayneBirkinB says:

      This is a good time to remind everyone that Thomas Markle Sr *already* has a namesake in Thomas Markle Jr, and we see how that turned out. If the child is a son, he will get a royal legacy name, like Charles or Phillip. If they are feeling particularly adventurous, they might give their child a middle name that reflects their friendship with Prince Seeiso of Lesotho.

  14. Feeshalori says:

    He wants a title? How about “Grandpa Grifter.”

  15. Digital Unicorn says:

    This is all BS lies to get attention and money from the media. The Archbishop will not get involved and he has no clue about UK law. His attitude toward her in the press would make any judge actually ban him from the child.

    Meg would be an utter utter fool if she let their creature back in her life. He destroys what he has and does not have.

    The palace really really need to shut them down permanently, time to call in favours with the other tabloids. The Fail is far too invested in using these scumbags to attack her.

  16. Kay Dozier says:

    Yeah because nothing heals a rift quicker than threatening to sue someone. Somebody please make this piece of trash go away.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Isn’t that something? It’s like he (and people who do similar things) have zero comprehension of how actual reciprocal affections work. If you have to bully your way into it, it’s not real.

  17. Becks1 says:

    yeah okay Markle. You “assert your rights.” Lets see where that gets you.

  18. minx says:

    Oh, just STFU! Loser!

  19. RBC says:

    I want Meghan and Harry to name a son Charles. Be fun to see Thomas’s head go into orbit.
    Maybe if Thomas does visit the Royal Family can arrange to have him stay at The Tower of London? I understand it is used for special guests

    • Rosie says:

      Let the papers keep printing this crap. With every article the Markles are turning themselves into public enemy no 1. Before the wedding I thought it was shady that some of them weren’t invited, and felt poor old Tom hadn’t been looked after. Well now everything has become very clear. Meghan hasn’t had to explain her actions, her family have shown exactly why they weren’t invited and why they are cut off. The only thing she might have done wrong was pretending (pre Harry) that her she had a normal father. Well that’s not a crime!

      I really wasn’t keen on Meghan before the wedding, I hated the instagram yoga poses and the Hollywood smile (sorry but I’m British), but her mum changed my mind. She’s such an impressive woman I find it hard to think badly of her child.

      • Catrìona says:

        Rosie, aren’t we all taught never to air our dirty linen in public?

        I have no doubt that Meghan told Harry and the RF everything there is to know about her father and the rest of the Markle family pretty much at the beginning.

      • Rosie says:

        Catriona, yes!! I just meant that on instagram pre Harry she posted that loving fathers day message which confused people (and me) into thinking she had a better relationship with her father. It muddied the waters. How was she to know back when she posted it that her dealings with Toxic Tom would with the subject of such forensic examination.

        Anyway all is now clear. She’s strong enough to protect herself from him but if she’s having an off day she’s also got an ocean and the Royal Family as back up.

    • Tigerlily says:

      William was named after the late Duke of Gloucester (the Queen’s uncle) son who passed away in the 1970’s; Harry after the late Duke of Gloucester himself. I would LOVE to see them name (if its a boy) the child Richard after current Duke of Gloucester.

  20. Mel says:

    “Rights”? If she doesn’t want to talk to you she doesn’t have to. If she doesn’t want you to meet her child, you won’t. The hell?

  21. Mego says:

    According to what I’ve read HM has custody of her heirs and when she dies Charles will. The Queen needs to give ol Tommy boy a good smack in the face with her handbag.

    • Missy says:

      I would pay good money to see the queen give him a smack with one of her handbags. That would be amazing

      • Go Figure! says:

        Oh no Missy. The Queen has such lovely hand bags, not to mention her hats. I secretly covet them. Would love to wear them when I go to church. Why ruin a perfectly good bag on a mess of scum?

  22. TheHeat says:

    Hey buddy…wanna mend the rift between yourself and your daughter?
    How about pouring yourself a large size cup of STFU. Make it a full-blown tea party, and serve some up to your other daughter while you’re at it.

    • Catrìona says:

      I think it’s far too late for that. Once a person loses trust and respect in another person there is no chance of that relationship ever being restored.

  23. Maum says:

    No way is that child going to be named Thomas.
    It’s going to be British traditional.

  24. Missy says:

    I sure hope Megan is not letting all this nonsense get to her. This is supposed to be the best time of her life and her “family” are just making it crazy stressful

    • minx says:

      If she hasn’t talked to him since May, as they are saying, I think she has made her decision and will not see him. He can’t be trusted, as these incessant interviews have proved.

  25. PlayItAgain says:

    Nothing this asshat says is true. He lied about his heart problems, and I’m sure he hasn’t contacted anyone about healing any rifts besides the tabloids who will pay him. He’s nothing.

    You keep living your best life, Meghan. Enjoy your new man and impending motherhood. Life’s too short to worry about asshats.

  26. Vanessa says:

    This is just ridiculous on so many levels Meghan has not had a moment of peace since she and harry got together her nephew called his father and Aunt toxic people I think he right. Thomas jr Thomas senior and Samantha are all awful toxic horrible people who are angry that meghan was able to get away from them and not continued in their cycle of nastiness. Thomas is angry that his favorite child is not giving him attention anymore Samantha is angry that her father is still ignore her for meghan and Thomas jr is angry that he also once again being ignored by his father. It’s basically their childhood being play out in national stage with the British press paying them all to take swipes at Meghan I feel bad for her that they won’t leave her alone .

  27. Olive says:

    he thinks he has “rights” to his grandchild? this man is dumber than a box of rocks. he has no rights whatsoever.

  28. aquarius64 says:

    Stupid move of the year Dad. If this goes to court the BRF will be on legal ground to get dirt on Dad. Pops doesn’t want his five grandchildren to testify in court especially Noelle, Sam’s daughter who was a victim of child abuse. Questions would be raised in his role in that mess. That’s why he’s going through the archbishop ; Dad knows his dirty laundry skidmarks and all will be on the legal record and he will be ruined forever. Any of those hookers he admitted he’s seen were underage it’s a wrap.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      I thought that hd never seen or had any relationship with any of his grand children? Also yeah, there is much more to his sexcapades in Philippines/Thailand than drugs and hookers.

  29. Ge says:

    I really feel sorry and angry for her, they just won’t leave her alone ! All this nasty noise must be so upsetting, frustrating and really embarassing. Even if she deals with the situation with grace and strength ignoring them, she knows it’s out there so unfortunatly, one way or another it’s gonna affect her stress level during her pregnancy. And that’s very sad that those people who claim to be her “loving” family, have no respect whatsoever, no compassion to let her enjoy this time, and no consideration for the consequences this public harassment could have on her health. I really feel for her.

  30. Vinot says:

    I honestly don’t know what’s worse, this side-eye Hamface showing up on the feed once a week or that cursed image of Brad Pitt’s hungover toupee from the set of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

  31. jessamine says:

    Hope any lawyer he consults sets him straight about his “rights.” In my work issues regarding “grandparents’ rights” do come up but it only applies when the parent is deceased or has had their children removed and the petition negotiates visitation between the grandparents and the custodial parents/guardian in their absence. If your biological child wants nothing to do with you, lump it.

  32. Junebug says:

    This is narcissism of the highest order. This man’s behaviour should be held up for examination and discussion in psychopathology classes in universities.

  33. adastraperaspera says:

    What is this “Markle blood” stuff? He’s just a loon looking for a monthly stipend. Not going to happen.

  34. Laura says:

    Ugh. I hate the euphemism heal the rift in this context. This is such a manipulation of words to affect how people will look at the situation. It makes me sick because I was in a similar situation like this with my dad. People would tell me that he’s my father so I somehow owe him all the forgiveness in the world. Wrong. If there is a rift it’s because somebody keeps creating one. It makes me sick that people always think the victim should be willing to go back for more and more and more and more and if they don’t it’s because they’re bad human beings.

    • Rosie says:

      He’s actually doing a public service. He is educating all those people (me included) who have never had to live through this kind of family crap and can now see the full horror. Hopefully they will see that sometimes you have to forget family and cut it out like a poison. When you have a happy family it’s hard to imagine never wanting to speak to a sibling or parent again, it’s easy to preach forgiveness. He’s giving the world a masterclass in how to be a shitty parent and an example of when forgiveness isn’t appropriate.

      Hopefully she’s so used to it that it’s not going to upset her too much while she’s pregnant, maybe it will have helped her form a thick skin which will help her in royal life.

  35. Lala11_7 says:

    It’s a wrap from him…he better get a subscription to BBCTV or something like that…because the Royal Family would not let him…ANYWHERE NEAR MEAGHAN! And again, I think this behavior is how he has ALWAYS BEEN towards her…it’s just that now he has a world wide stage in which to show his ass…

    Talking bout Meghan OWES him something…Meghan needs to send him a DVD of the iconic movie…”Guess who’s coming to dinner” and highlight the scene where Sidney Poitier’s character drags his Daddy for FILTH when his father start talking about what Sidney owes him…after Sidney became a Doctor…

    Sidney let him know…and I’m paraphrasing…but the gist is true…

    “If you had to drag that mailbag a BILLION miles in order to take care of me…that’s what you were SUPPOSED TO DO…I don’t owe you NOTHING for that!”

    And let the congregation say…AMEN!!!


  36. SlightlyAnonny says:

    Hmm.. I’m starting to think the DF might be done with him. “Lighting technician” no mention of being Emmy award winning. “Heart palpitations” as opposed to heart attack. I click no Fail links so have no clue if that tone continues but someone there is getting sick of them.

  37. Iknow says:

    I laughed too when I read that. After all the crap he’s done, this piece of work hopes the baby is name Thomas. HE IS INSANE!!

  38. ms says:

    This really is sad. I don’t see how Meghan could ever trust him again. after all the crap he pulled in the last six months alone. I hope she doesn’t get stressed when he and Vonnie start blathering on. It’s terrible when your family sucks so much you have no choice but to cut them out for your own protection.

  39. Valerie says:

    I wonder what would happen if the Queen’s office issued a statement simply saying that Megan has formally severed all ties with her father’s family permanently. No explanation necessary–the “for obvious reasons” is clearly implied. The Markles would go apesh*t for a few weeks–which would be nothing new–but the family reunification angle would be rendered futile. They’ve blown whatever factual info they have to offer the press already, so it’s not like further exposure is possible, and they’ve blown whatever chance they had at a future personal relationship with her as well. She might forgive for her own sake, but no one in their right mind would ever reconnect with these people after everything they’ve done.

  40. Elisabeth says:

    Dear Mr Markle:


  41. Jane Doe says:

    It’s really helpful and valuable when individuals who have experience with malignant narcissist families add their insight on these threads. It is extremely difficult to see the layers of abuse going on in these sorts of situations when you haven’t experienced it.

    • lanne says:

      That’s why I read these posts. I have an incredible, loving family, and it makes me appreciate what I, honestly, lucked into. The fact that people do great things with their lives in spite of terrible family members is truly remarkable to me. The Bad Markles have brought to light a subject that’s difficult to talk about–family strife. If you have a toxic family, how do you talk about that? How do you tell people, “no my dad’s not walking me down the aisle,” or “my mom won’t be attending the baby shower” when well-meaning people ask about “Dad getting his tux, or mom’s knitting booties for grandkid?” Bad Dad and Evil Sis (they’re cartoonish in their awfulness) have shown everyone how toxic families can be for some people.
      Unfortunately, my brother is living with a NPD wife (who I choose to love as a sister in law and despise as a human being), and he struggles with explaining what’s so awful about his marriage when his wife is beautiful and there’s no physical abuse. Even in therapy sessions, she charms the therapist into thinking he’s the problem. She throws awful tantrums when she doesn’t get her way, she almost disrupted a family wedding because she picked a fight with my brother and demanded to fly home (wedding was out of the country). Worst of all, he’s black, she’s Korean (not korean-american, from korea), and doesn’t understand racial dynamics. I fear that one of her screaming tantrums could do harm to my brother’s career or even his life. This was my first experience with an NPD person, and it’s been heartbreaking to see my brother suffer (they live far away, which I think leads to him feeling trapped, when he’s an attractive guy with a great job who can find someone else easily). All I can do is be supportive of him, be kind to her while keeping my distance (she has tried to turn me against my brother as well), and hope he decides to do what’s best for himself. Writing all this makes me realize why I’m drawn to these threads. I take solace in hearing other people’s struggles with this. As bad as it is to watch my brother deal with this, I can’t imagine how awful it must be to have the toxic person be a parent. That’s why my heart goes out to Meghan and I’m so glad she hasn’t let them drag her down. I’ve never seen a family work harder to do harm to a family member who’s a public figure than the Markles. Even when Charles and Diana were sniping at each other, they ultimately came to a truce after they got divorced. Here’s my new word of the day: to Markle: to sell out, drag down, verbally abuse, or otherwise seek to destroy a family member who’s more successful than you are (as in, that Real Housewife’s Markleing her sister?, or isn’t it crazy the way the Fox News journalists Markle their peers at CNN?) Those bottom feeders deserve it!

      • Jane Doe says:

        You need to submit your new verb to!

      • Catrìona says:

        Brilliant. To markle… I LOVE it.

        Now I’ll tell you a funny story. My mother loathed me from the time I was a small child because I was everything she DIDN’T want in a daughter. She criticised everything I did. I used to shut myself away in my room to get away from her and my equally nasty sister. When I went off to uni I chose to go far away. Throughout my life I never missed an opportunity to avoid my parents.

        A few years after I left the US and moved first to the UK, and then to France, my new husband insisted that I invite her to spend several weeks with us. (She liked my husband. -LOL-)

        The day before my mother flew out, her sister came to say goodbye, and to issue a stern warning. She warned my mother that if she didn’t stop criticising me I would never invite her back.

        All those years I had been alive, and there had never been the smallest sign that anyone had noticed.

        Mother was as good as gold the entire time she was with us.

        Family bullies are common.

  42. HK9 says:

    If I was the Archbishop, I’d tell him if he doesn’t behave, he’ll make sure he goes to hell.

  43. Giddy says:

    So he hopes they name the baby after him. He has about as much chance of that as we do. Although, Celebitchy of Sussex does have a certain ring to it.

  44. Sage says:

    The sisters hands are all over this. I highly doubt the father is aware of the archbishop. The sister is certainly running the con operation from the background with the assistance of the British tabloids.

    • Heather says:

      The sister claims on Twitter this is a lie. But she has also surrounded herself with minions who tell her every day that ALL of Britain hates Meghan and supports her, so her perception is skewed. She blocks anyone that points out she might be a bit harsh, you know, like calling your sister Cruella DeVil and duchA$$. She feels entitled to everything Meghan has earned, probably still feels slighted by her father and is willing to use anyone to get what she feels is hers.

      • aquarius64 says:

        This has Scammy all over it. She’s mad the media did not go after Meghan for not acknowledging Dad for paying for her education (if he did) she put him up asserting his “rights” as Grandpa. Then she saw the backlash and fearing the media will really start digging for dirt on Dad Jr and her Sam claims it’s a lie.

  45. ZigZags says:

    And fam, this is why those of us with narcissistic family members run far, far away when we can. When someone tells you that their family of origin isn’t good for their health, please believe them.

    My grandparents did the same thing to my mother. In fact, they kidnapped me when my mother married someone they felt was “inappropriate”. The FBI were involved and it wasn’t pleasant. Alas, my mother wasn’t strong enough to keep her distance from her parents when the dust settled. She squawked a similar tune when I was pregnant. The difference was that I was happily married, educated, in my mid 30’s and quite capable of being a parent. My spouse and I tried for a while but her vitriol and self-absorption was too much to bear. We’ve been estranged for many years. She alternates between acting like the doting grandmother or playing the aggrieved victim of my evil ways, depending on the audience. Same applied to my grandparents in regards to my child.

    I can’t tell you how many people still try to get me to reconcile with them based solely on their own lovely and healthy experiences with their family members.

    • Lady D says:

      Sitting at my mother’s funeral while over 200 people made sure to tell me how wonderful and incredible they thought my mother was. I was rigid trying to stay in control, I wanted to scream that none of them knew her, at all. Instead I kind of smile/grimaced at each one of them and thanked them. I don’t know what I would have done without my best friend there to keep me anchored. At one point she reached over and slung her arm over my shoulder to physically keep me in my seat.

      • JayneBirkinB says:

        What a terrible experience! My friend went through this – her dad was a pillar of the community, served in public office, but behind closed doors he was verbally abusive and a tyrant. Much later on, she found out that she was the product of an affair, her NPD father was not actually her biological father! She was so happy! One of the few times that an affair was a good thing.

        Her mother only stayed in the marriage because the community was rigidly Catholic, she had no job skills, and would lose custody of the kids in a divorce (this was the early 1960’s).

    • Catrìona says:

      “I can’t tell you how many people still try to get me to reconcile….”

      I am so sorry you had to go through this. It’s remarkable how many people who should know better do everything they can to push people who have suffered abuse back to their abusers to suffer more of the same.

      These people have betrayed you which makes them as toxic as the abusive family members. It’s best to cut yourself off from them as well.

      Best wishes to you.

  46. TheVoice says:

    He really plays the victim, doesn’t he? No good will come from Meghan being in contact with him. She knows it and she’s keeping her distance. Smart lady. He’s a massive narcissist and I wish the media would stop printing anything that he or Samantha says. Their 15 minutes were up 6 months ago.

  47. Veronica S. says:

    She’s acting unbothered and keeping up her game face in public, but honestly, I can’t imagine this isn’t wearing on her in private. It’s pretty much the definition of emotional abuse. Even if she’s made the decision to cut him out of her life, she can’t escape the media. I know she’s privileged, but nobody deserves this.

    • Heather says:

      You’re right. No one deserves this. But her “family” feels she’s the abusive one because she won’t give them money, access, fame, etc. Because she is quietly going on with her life and not engaging in their petty comments and swipes, apparently she is the abuser. I can’t figure it out but Samantha Grant’s Twitter feed is always good for a laugh…when she decides to unprotect it.

  48. Franny says:

    This family reminds me so much of Trump. Emotionally abusive con artist hacks.

  49. Ennie says:

    A gag roder , a non disclosure signed agreement would be a good start.

    • minx says:

      He won’t abide by any agreement. Ignoring him is the best tactic.

      • Christin says:

        He seems to thrive on the attention and making his manipulation public. And, the narrative keeps changing. He was near the end just a few weeks ago, when the half-sister made her trip to London. The baby announcement apparently cured him and now his previous alleged health issues are dialed back to the original “palpitations”. He thinks he’ll survive after all!

        Ignoring is definitely the best option. There are people who thrive on this type of chaos, to the detriment of others.

  50. Pandy says:

    Um, what happened to “she’s pregnant and deserves peace”? What did that last for … 10 days maybe?

  51. Chatty Cath says:

    Peace? As long lasting as that football game in World War One! It feels as if that ‘truce’ was a ploy to get Meghan and Harry to engage with her so they had more ammunition to give to the British tabloids. They must be running out of material to sell.

  52. Fluffy Princess says:

    The more he squawks, the more the RF is going to rally around Meghan. You think the RF will let that nutbag near that baby? Um, no.

    If she has a boy, she SHOULD name him Charles. Charles Henry William Edward or something that honors the RF and leaves him OUT in the cold where he belongs.

    • Izzy says:

      Maybe throw in “Dorian” after her mother, and watch the White Trash Markles completely lose it.

      Damn, pass the popcorn!

  53. Chef Grace says:

    Ugh. I had to deal with my abusive mother while she was alive. She said she was “entitled” to see her grandkids. My ex’s parents did the same. They even called CPS on us a few times.
    We moved a lot. Kept them all at a distance. And of course the interfering relatives with the ” you must let them see their grandkids” was the worst.

  54. Lilly says:

    I didn’t read all the comments, so apologies if someone brought this up, but I wonder how his current grandchildren feel when good ol’, don’t give him coffee, grandpa smurf goes on about fighting to see this grandchild when, reportedly, he estranged from some and probably makes it all about him if and when he sees others? I’d be hurt for sure.

  55. SD says:


    Thomas doesn’t need an archbishop, Thomas needs to shut up.

    The riches, secrets and privileges of the royal family are at his feet, the opportunity for a relationship with his daughter and polo baby is so close, all Thomas has to do is shut his pie hole.

    Oh Thomas. You do this to yourself.

  56. Montrealaise says:

    I read elsewhere that he already has five grandchildren (Samantha’s and Thomas Jr.’s kids) but that he does not have any relationship with any of them – he doesn’t visit them and they don’t visit him. So if being a grandfather is so important to him, why doesn’t he start with those grandkids? Oh, I already know the answer – because they’re not royal!

  57. Sam H x says:

    Meghan did the right thing by cutting them out of her life. She doesn’t need that level of toxicity. She doesn’t need this BS from her dad/Scammy whilst she is pregnant. They won’t even let enjoy her pregnancy in peace. Poor girl. The child will have a doting set of grandparents in Doria, Camilla & Prince Charles.

  58. Teel says:

    Yeah, cuz the Archbishop of Canterbury just sits around in his office all day so he can personally answer calls from randoms like Markle. What BS.

  59. Birds eye view says:

    The archbishop of canterbury…is he having a laff? What an arse.