I have a lot of thoughts and feelings about those Covington Catholic MAGA brats, but I stayed up too late watching Serena Williams, so I’m going to direct you to this outstanding piece at Deadspin/The Concourse – “Don’t Doubt What You Saw With Your Own Eyes.” Soon after the videos went viral of a swarm of MAGA-hat wearing white teenage boys mocking and chanting “build the wall” to Native American marchers, the story shifted purposefully. The MAGA teens’ parents spent a fortune on crisis managers, PR firms and lawyers, who spread an alt-(right) theory that the MAGA brats were completely innocent because there were some black people there too, because whiteness. The point of the Deadspin piece is to believe what you saw with your own eyes.
I wasn’t here for the “they’re just children, don’t name them!” narrative. And I’m glad I didn’t give that any time, because these MAGA brats are proud of their names, proud of what they did, and they’re looking for their 15 minutes. Their whiteness and privilege has insulated them from all repercussions and punishment. The leader, the one who smirked at Native American Nathan Phillips, is named Nick Sandmann. He got an invitation to speak to Savannah Guthrie on the Today Show. They did not offer to do a sit-down interview with Nathan Phillips, I guess. Nick doesn’t feel like apologizing for anything because that’s how toxic masculinity and white privilege work, y’all.
"Do you feel from this experience that you owe anybody an apology? Do you see your own fault in any way?”
Tune in to @NBCNightlyNews for a preview of @SavannahGuthrie's interview with Nick Sandmann. Full interview tomorrow on TODAY. pic.twitter.com/7Croh0Toyj
— TODAY (@TODAYshow) January 22, 2019
And in case you had your doubts – ??? – about what kind of story this is and who the villains are, Donald Trump has made it crystal f–king clear.
Nick Sandmann and the students of Covington have become symbols of Fake News and how evil it can be. They have captivated the attention of the world, and I know they will use it for the good – maybe even to bring people together. It started off unpleasant, but can end in a dream!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 22, 2019
To all of those people who were like “that MAGA brat is the future Brett Kavanaugh,” congrats for calling it. That’s exactly who all of them are.
Prior to the Nick Sandmann incident, the Covington Catholic kids were known for dressing up in blackface and viciously harassing black athletes. They found this "entertaining".
Don’t believe a word these little racists say about being victims. pic.twitter.com/zkhq1ua4g7
— Nathan Bernard (@nathanTbernard) January 21, 2019
Screencap from original Twitter video.
Thank you for naming the little pos. I’m Christian and I despise people like this family who say #faith. I don’t even know how a Christian could possibly support Trump. This disgusting rotten apple didn’t fall far from his little lynching tree. I hope this story follows him.
Well, it’s all over the internet, and you know how hard it is to get anything off there. I hope he and his supporters carry this stain for a long, long time, or until h dedicates his life to making amends.
You have a right to your opinion, but doesn’t sound very Christian.
To me, being Christian doesn’t mean not taking a position when you see something wrong. To me, being Christian means speaking out when you see something like this and wanting people to be accountable. I believe in forgiveness but only if accountability goes with it. If it doesn’t, then forgiveness becomes a “get out of jail free” card. And I too have issues with Christians supporting Trump because his views IMO are so racist and divisive to America and Americans.
Amen.
Thank you. My mom is a Christian and supports Trump. I’m not religious but it hurts my heart to see my mom and brother support him. Good to know there are some Christians who don’t. We mostly try to avoid politics, they know I’m a liberal. I did ask one time why she liked him, she said she liked his policies. But they watch Fox News all the time and she hates Hillary so that has a lot to do with it as well.
I am a devout follower of Jesus and I dont support Trump. My brother is Christian and he is a MAGA.
The high school website is still firewalled: covcath.org .
This (appropriately) isn’t going away any time soon. They are hunkered down for the long haul. Funny that any attempts to spin their way out in front of this bs just makes it seem all the worse.
I appreciate Christians who call out the extreme un-Christlike endorsement of Trump by those professing to be Christian. It’s crazy-making to see so many Christians defending Trump and overlooking (or being downright ok with) his racism, misogyny, and constant bullying. Not to mention his lack of qualifications, highly problematic Russia/Putin associations, consistent history of stiffing workers and lenders, etc. And omg, his constant lying. How can so many people of faith be ok with all of this? Jesus was crystal clear in his denunciation of leaders who act out of such greed and self-interest.
@ Check That Privilege : I have this theory that goes like this : there are Christians who wanted to roll back things like legal abortion, women’s rights, gay and lesbian rights because these things did not jive with their personal belief system. Fine and dandy I say as consensus on these issues isn’t possible across the board and people can believe as they choose. But after decades of seeing these things move forward in spite of Christian conservatives’ efforts to stop them (legal lobbying, prayer vigils, etc)., some of them got tired of waiting for God to change things. So a deal with the devil (Trump) started to look better and better and “desperate times call for desperate measures”. So they held their noses from the smell and voted for a candidate that would work to nominate conservative judges and get them through. I am a born again Christian and I honestly believe that Christians supporting Trump did it to shift the balance on the Supreme Court in hopes that it would roll back laws relating to these issues. I was also a lawyer for twenty years. Trump will last eight years max but a retooled Supreme Court could last for decades.
The infidelity is what surprises me. They are ok with this after all that banging about hearth and home?
I am not a Trump supporter and never have been. I am a full fledged liberal. However, to say that you don’t know how a Christian could support him is quite judgemental. There are dirty politicians on both sides of the line, many who have done abhorrent things. Consequently there are many Christians who support them. We have a Democrat in NJ who was reelected even though he solicited underage prostitutes outside of the country. Many Christian liberals voted for him despite that fact. I would never judge their political choice and in turn question their Christianity. I might call them ignorant, or out of touch, or someone who makes poor choices.
do those Christian liberals make a thing about supporting someone because they are Christian and/or supporting “family values” If not, they aren’t necessarily the hypocrites you make them out to be whereas the religious right demands the US be a “Christian” county and non-adherents be subjected to rule of law based on their bible. They go around saying the support those Republicans because they (the politician) is a good Christian/advances Christian values. In short, it makes perfect sense to question how anyone claiming to be a “good Christian” could support Trump
Both sides. Really? You wanna go with the both sides argument here? It’s not even a contest.
I am born and raised in New Jersey, TW. I can assure you that BOTH sides have strong horses in the race. So yes. And, Pottymouth, what does them not being overt about their values have anything to do with me not judging them as Christians based on their political choices?
The Julie Sandmann tweets are trolls. This has been reported and discredited elsewhere.
Every time something ‘MAGA-esque’ happens in this country I feel like I’ve reached the pinnacle of my revulsion and disgust. But then 24 hours goes by and something new comes along to top it.
If all of these incidents and stories are not the last pathetic gasp of a dying white male patriarchy in this country then I weep for what this country should have and could have become.
Amen, Velourazure, afreakingmen.
This is what Republicans have done to what was the nation of hope.
I don’t give a sh*t that they are teenagers, they should be barred from all of the Universities in the future.
Social media, continue to show this racist face to everyone and make him and his supporters run and hide.
This incident happened because of the government shutdown. Had the park rangers at the Lincoln Memorial been on duty the Hebrew Israelites would not have been there because you cannot demonstrate at Lincoln without a permit. I really wish the media would start asking park rangers how the situation would have been different if had they been working.
I know you’re not trying to blame the park rangers, but it’s possible to report on how regulations were not being enforced due to the Trump/McConnell shutdown without putting park rangers on the spot.
It’s an excellent observation that without Federal workers on the job, all kinds of security measures and just general social norms are weakened and capable of violated. It allows these racist twerps to run riot, which is exactly what they did and were always going to do, regardless of any outside ‘provocation.’ There are so many ways they could have responded to any other group other than taunting a Native American elder. (And hollering, “It’s not rape if you enjoy it,” so much for the quality of the sex ed and ‘respect for women’ they’re getting at their Catholic school.)
Not sure how you read that as me blaming park rangers. I guess I wasn’t clear. Nathan Phillips was trying to diffuse tensions between the students and the Hebrew Israelites. If the park rangers had been on duty, the Hebrew Israelites would have been told to leave the memorial long before the students arrived, thereby avoiding the confrontation and allowing the rest of to live our lives having never seen that disgusting spectacle.
IMO the incident happened because the MAGA wearing caps hulligans were very disrespectful to their elders. You have to have home training to know if you are face to face with a senior you give the the older person the respect by not trying to intimidate h/h by staring one inch in his/her face. This little racist refused to be truthful and apologized. He did disrespected his elder by staring him down for several minutes. The rule of thumb is staring in someone’s face for more than five seconds is a sign of intimidation. That school has to have a thorough semester of training from staff to students on respect. His parents get their lawyer to to right a statement lying for him and coached him on how to lie on tv, dressed him up as if he’s a 12 y.o. Kid. He’s about 16-17 years old, he’s a junior in high school, knows better.
Those students were not not supposed to be there, they strayed from the “let’s tell women we decide what to do with their bodies” march and went there to harass people just for kicks and giggles.
this is insane – what are the parents and school teaching these kids???
why is it so hard for people to respect Indigenous people? In Canada, last year a white man shot and killed a young Indigenous boy at point blank range and he was acquitted..it was horrifying
That case ENRAGED me. I took the Canadian firearms safety course … as well as the restricted course. There’s ABSOLUTELY no reason that that man shouldn’t have been crucified – we have way stricter laws regarding storage and use than the states. Right from the start I was railing on about it because there was not one instance in which he had properly stored or used the firearm. He was a racist piece of shit and I genuinely hope someone makes every moment of his, and his sons life as miserable as possible. But it’s also not surprising (and apologies to the good ones living out there) but Alberta/Sask. are like our very own southern states when it comes to the racism and gun nuts.
I could not believe that he was fully acquitted – he killed someone! And then he even had the gall to start a Go Fund Me page that raised tons of money for himself…truly vile.
Nah to that bit about Alberta and Saskatchewan. All of Canada has issues with racism, and acting like it’s just those two and that they’re Canada’s “southern states” is disingenuous.
Never said the rest wasn’t a problem, Shan, so I don’t think there’s anything disingenuous with what I said. But they’re a lot louder and prouder than the rest of it for the most part.
The parents and teachers are right there with them because they’re the ones teaching them to be racist trash.
Someone taught these young men to act that way, and high-school chaperones (usually, parents and teachers) know damn well their job is to keep students behaving in a respectful manner toward people and property.
You forgot to mention the boy in question was caught on private property with his friends stealing…it isn’t as simple as a man shooting a boy for “no reason but his ethnicity”. Should he have been shot? Hell no. Should he have been on private property looting? He wasn’t an innocent victim
If the young man had been white, what do you think the odds would have been that he would have been scared off instead of shot dead?
Fact checks show that white lawbreakers aren’t shot dead at nearly the same rate as non-white lawbreakers (and non-white innocents, too).
His death was a wrongful death. He should have been arrested and brought to trial instead, the appropriate response to his crime.
you’re kidding right? since when does stealing make it ok to kill someone???? unless you think that his life was worth less than the guys’s tractor?? The issue isn’t that the kid was trying to steal, it’s that this man shot an un-armed kid at point blank range and the jury acquitted him because racism and hate is alive and well in Canada
First I never said he deserved to be shot.
Second he was there tresspassing with his friends who were yelling and drunk and stealing an ATV, a warning shot was fired, he reached into the ATV and that when he was shot.
Did he deserve to die? no. I said that multiple times already.
The man who shot him was arrested and there was a trial. All I’m saying is there are more facts to the story than was originally presented.
There is also a history of the First Nations stealing on the land in this area. None of this makes his death justifiable. It highlights the problems of racism in Canada.
It’s just not as simple as previously described. He wasn’t walking down the the street in a hoodie or pulled over for zero reason just based on his ethnicity and then shot.
you’ve literally missed the point again – killing someone in cold blood over property and then having the jury acquit him because Indigenous lives are seen as less important than a vehicle was the issue…you are literally victim blaming and saying that since he wasn’t the perfect victim (Aka totally blameless) the crime was understandable. Sorry but the only response to that whole situation should be anger and disappointment, not making excuses for violence.
Also “There is also a history of the First Nations stealing on the land in this area” – actually the history is that white people stole the land and have been discriminating against Indigenous people since then..but nice try.
Mmm, it’s still relatively simple, factcheckmuch. Stealing was involved in the kids’ night. But there’s an awful lot of extra explanation that makes Mr. Stanley look worse. Gerald and his son were repairing a fence, and his wife was mowing the lawn nearby. His son then went and took a hammer and smashed the SUV windows. He ran into the house to get his truck keys because he was going to chase them off the property. Gerald during this time went to his shed to retrieve his improperly stored handgun. He claims to fire two warning shots, but attempted a third that didn’t go off. Gerald THEN walks over to the vehicle. He takes his left hand to reach in and grab the keys while still holding the handgun in his right. The handgun discharged and shot Colten in the back of the head.
Here’s where I had a huge issue. One of the biggest things that they stress in the firearms course is safety. Honestly, safety is the bulk of the course. What Gerald described (the third shot not discharging) is called a hang fire. You’re taught that in the event of a hangfire to wait about 60 seconds while taking extreme care to not have that firearm pointed at anything that could be hurt. A brief 60 seconds is all it takes with modern cartridges. But supposedly, he had been simply firing off warning shots, and only approached the drivers seat following all of this. First – he clearly doesn’t know how to safely store OR operate the firearm. Second, I don’t believe that he only approached the vehicle after the warning shots. To me, it’s pretty clear that he was intending to approach that vehicle, and was in the process of it while firing off his shots, and was likely closer than he admitted when this happened. Because, again, 60 seconds for a hangfire. Despite there being 3 adults in this situation, and despite having the time to go retrieve vehicle keys AND a firearm, they were not in a rush to call the cops. Beyond that – experts were not able to replicate this hang fire under the same conditions. And I don’t doubt for a moment that he relied on the average jury member having a low knowledge on firearms and hangfires. More than likely, the thought was “oh a hangfire. it malfunctioned. It must have been an honest accident”. But I take issue with the fact that clearly his son and he had intentions of an altercation with the teens based on the actions of throwing the hammer, grabbing the truck keys to chase them off, and the improper use (and questionable testimony) surrounding the firearms. The man kept that handgun pointed at Colten and should absolutely understand how a hangfire works, though clearly he wasn’t worried when one round didn’t discharge properly.
Beyond that, the RCMP handling of this case was INCREDIBLY troubling. They absolutely botched the whole thing. They did not protect the crime scene. They found Boushie on the ground in a pool of blood and a ton of blood in the vehicle. They took a few photos (once it’d gotten dark) and called it a night without doing anything to cover the vehicle or the area around it, they even left the drivers door open. It rained that night. By the time a forensics team arrived there had been over 40 mm of rain, which washed away blood evidence as well as gunpowder evidence. They had to let the car dry out for an entire day before even looking at it further. There is no doubt in my mind that the responding officers were either woefully under trained to the point of complete incompetence, or they made a conscious decision to not bother securing the scene because they already had made up their mind that the poor old man was just protecting himself from the bad native kids. Wind could have been enough to damage the crime scene. The blood splatter analysis had to rely on photos – of which there were not nearly enough angles and not proper lighting to make a proper determination.
RCMP also did not bring in a homicide interrogator to speak with Stanley – instead allowing a constable to take his version of events. It was incredibly clear that these officers were not dedicated to the investigation – and I can’t think of any reason other than SEVERE incompetence at every single level, or that they’ve already made up their mind and felt that poor old Mr. Stanley was right in doing what he did.
First, you missed the point again
Nobody is saying racism doesn’t exist, but the First nations people who were breaking the law by tresspassing and in the middle of stealing a private property are NOT innocent, they don’t get a pass because they are Indigeous and have been screwed over by white people. They broke the law as well as the farmer who shot the young man. Throwing the red hearing of “white people took their land” doesn’t excuse breaking onto the farms of these people and steaming from them.
Second, I’m not reading a 10 paragraph response. Who has time to reads these novels?
FactCheckmuch – the fact that you think that stealing and killing are somehow equal says pretty much all I need to know about you…. A child was killed in cold blood and all you can say is he was stealing so that somehow makes his killing less horrific. That’s a serious lack of empathy
You said I was victim shaming. I told you repetitively you only highlighted certain facts. Plus he wasn’t a child. He was a man.
As for victim shaming, which you love to repeat that I’m doing. By your own definition;
Criminal: Farmer who shot the indigenous man
Victim: Farmer who was having private property stolen and having a group of people tresspassing with the intent to loot on his land
Criminal: indigenous man who was attempting to steal an ATV and was tresspassing on private property
Victim: Indigenous man who shot in cold blood.
My point from the beginning was that his murder was never justified. Just that it was not as simple a case as you originally presented.
“In Canada, last year a white man shot and killed a young Indigenous boy at point blank range and he was acquitted”
These are your words. This does not adequately describe this case. That was my point. In addition you added the “young boy” for a more dramatic point, he was a 22 year old man, not a child.
This type of reporting stirs up emotion and vitriol in people as discrimination and racist should not be tolerated. Not properly giving credence to the full story is irresponsible. It doesn’t make me non emotional or lacking empathy. I wasnt disagreeing with your original sentiment which is shared by many, just pointing out for others that weren’t aware of the case it wasn’t necessarily fact.
I live near where the place where Colton Boushie was shot. This was a very complicated story and a tragic accident. Yes there is racism. There is also a huge increase in rural crime and as Indigenous people are marginalized they are also more often than not the perpetrators. My folks are selling their cabin because there are home invasions now. RCMP are very far away and people feel very vulnerable. Of course he did not deserve to get shot over property. However this young man 22 years and not a boy and his friends were drinking and driving and stopping at properties all afternoon. Then they arrived at the Stanley’s…. I followed this case closely and a good friend was there every day of the trial. Every single moment. Many were shocked he did not get manslaughter. He did not set out that day to
Kill a man. But based on the circumstances he felt he and his family were in danger. Reached into car to grab the keys – thought they had driven over his wife. Chaos. Those young people set this in motion that day. It’s a horrible accident and tragedy that a young man died.
Despite what schools and parents teach, there is free will.
I saw a Twitter conversation yesterday where people discussed how they were raised and so many folks were like, “my parents would NEVER blame someone else for my f*** ups” and “they would teach me a lesson so I never do it again” etc, etc.
Then someone said “This is how you raise Brett Kavenaugh’s and Donald Trump’s”.
I do think this type of upbringing stems mainly from conservative parents, unless their kid is smart enough to have a moral compass and be the complete opposite of what their parents are.
That case was a huge disappointment, but the justice system worked as well as it could. The farmer admitted to police that he murdered the boy because he mistakenly thought the robbers had killed his wife. He thought he was defending himself. He had a motive. He shot the person in the driver’s seat of the vehicle that had almost run over his son.
Unfortunately, the other witnesses lied on the stand. They claimed that they were perfectly innocent and just asking for help to fix their vehicle. If their story were true, then that removes the farmer’s motive of self-defence. Since the other witnesses lied, it meant that the farmer’s later claim that the gun went off by accident was a more reasonable explanation than a random, cold-blooded execution.
How is a jury supposed to deliver justice when everybody lies?
The other witnesses let their friend down to save themselves from looking bad.
The comment about wishing pioneers have brought more blankets with smallpox is absolutely stomach-turning.
Yeah pretty sure that was fake.
It may not have been his mother that said it, but the tweet was a tweet.
It was a fake account. I admit, I fell for it at first myself, but it wasn’t true. That doesn’t, however, absolve her from her son’s behavior.
That comment showed up after I posted mine,and the tweet I was referencing was removed from the original post. But it’s a pretty terrible state of affairs when we can’t tell trolls from real people anymore, because the bar of human decency has gotten so low.
That kid, and his parents, still suck.
Saw the first comment and deleted.
Meanwhile, that letter was apparently drafted by a CNN writerfor Jake Tapper. Cause media is stupid.
Interesting… I’d heard it came from RunSwitch – which was co-founded by Mitch McConnell’s ex senior staff member Scott Jennings.
Erinn- sorry, I shouldn’t have said writer, I should have said contributor. Yes, RunSwitch and Jennings created the letter. Jennings is a paid political commentator for CNN. Tapper didn’t disclose this and amplified the story. See the bad ethics here?
Ahhh, I didn’t realize that he was a commentator for CNN as well.
God that’s a mess.
Yes, Tapper has been caught in a clear conflict of interest but his smug self will survive. The co-owner of the right-wing PR firm hired to aid these young bigots is a paid and frequent political commentator for CNN, often appearing on Tapper’s segment.
Tapper might as well have just been reading the PR firm’s press release without attribution.
That’s how we “both sides” our way out of an ugly situation these days, and the kids get rewarded with a visit to the White House. What are the odds they’ll get actual food instead of hamberders?
I follow Tapper on Twitter is an effort to have some sources outside my comfort zone in my feed but man, he is smug and loves a good double standard. He is constantly tweeting conservative-leaning arguments and he is not balanced about it. /end TapperRant
ETA: not that both sides-ism or centrism is the solution, my point was he’s even less “balanced” than the centrist mainstream journalists
Edited after seeing above comment
Story still makes me angry. People still suck
In my experience, it is truly rare that piss-poor parents do not raise a piss-poor child.
shut up beaver teeth!
Let’s not forget the video of the other Covington students saying to passing by girls, “it’s not rape if she enjoys it.” The whole culture at that school is revolting and no matter how many crisis managers they hire, the world knows it.
Yes and the video of them harassing the young woman passing by a group of them that same day. Clearly their environment is toxic. In other words, sadly typical for a Catholic boys’ prep school. I am enraged at how they’ve twisted this when we can all see and hear what actually happened. Trump has set the tone…truth doesn’t matter anymore.
I think the video of them shouting at the young women was very telling. It speaks to their mindset that day. They were obnoxious and entitled, and trying to provoke.
Considering one of their former students was a serial rapist (that the school hid his conviction to win basketball games) and he was JUST arrested to raping another woman I’m not surprised. There’s a pattern of behavior from students at this school.
Is there a video of them doing it?
Yes, it’s on the Daily Mail
It’s on Twitter, as well. The girl herself posted it.
Check yesterday’s Rudy post. I posted that video as well as several others relating to this subject.
The Catholic church does not recognize women as equal to men. Is it any surprise that students indoctrinated by the church have no respect for women?
Well, well, well. What a shock.
And yet, NBC still compelled to give this Hitler youth air time to spread his poison. F*ck them and Savannah Guthrie for this. Apparently they’re not quite done courting the Nazi vote.
Again, always ALWAYS push back against the “liberal media” narrative. MSM is NOT a friend to the Left. They’re only here to “both sides” the f*ck out of everything and undermine everything that we know to be true. They’re not on our side, guys.
If you want to see Native Americans talk about how this horrible incident impacted THEM and THEIR community then watch yesterday’s Democracy Now.
Kitten- +1000
Media acting like these kids were exonerated. There was no exoneration. There was only a bunch of “he started it” two wrongs make a right logical fallacy deflecting. And white media folks protecting the white kids. Such Right Wing bull. There’s no liberal bias in these conservative owned cesspools.
Exactly, Rapunzel, EXACTLY.
I’m so pissed at Savannah and NBC. Shame on them.
Why fire Megyn Kelly if you are going to give nazi’s air time?
So they can appear fair and balanced and how they do it is take sides. ugh.
Savannah Guthrie can kiss my a**. It’s completely disgusting that she would invite him to interview.
Welcome to Trump’s America! Where the Native American war hero is cast as the villain and the orange soda drinking white male douche bag gets an invitation to the White House.
America has always been that way. White males get rewarded and POC get punished. This is nothing new.
God help your country and the world. And I’m an atheist.
If the Cov Cath incident didn’t make it clear, God isn’t gonna do shit to save us from this nightmare.
Hey, the MAGA kids were just helping! How would we know racism still exists if they aren’t open about it?
https://www.theroot.com/an-open-apology-to-the-covington-catholic-maga-hat-hara-1831957176
I love Michael Harriot.
That is all.
Wow, thanks for the link.
I grew up in this area of the country, Greater Cincinnati, and this whole situation doesn’t surprise me in the least. After Trump, the bigotry and hate just got much louder, and I could not move to the East Coast fast enough. I have distanced myself from my entire family because they are Trumpers and buy into his disgusting view of the world. Every single morning I wake up, thinking for a nano second that it’s all a horrible nightmare. Nope.
I’m sorry.
I truly hate hearing these stories about this asshole fracturing relationships. He LIVES to divide and his supporters don’t even see it SMDH.
I grew up in that area too and still live here. I’m not the least bit surprised either. These all male Catholic schools are toxic and they are so exalted in this area that they think they are bulletproof. I was also raised Catholic and knew many of these type of guys first hand. So many were grossly entitled and their parents and middle aged alumni revolve their whole lives around these schools to the point of obsession. It’s bizarre and forms a bubble where bigotry, Trumpism and misogyny run rampant and everyone bends over backwards to excuse their behavior.
A CovCath football star was just all over the news last month for raping a woman in her home. We just had 3 solid days of navel gazing about the Elder-St. X game last year where the students yelled racist taunts at Asian American and African American players. The news here will wring their hands, the diocese will talk about investigating, and then nothing will happen because the alumni ($$$) network in this city from these schools is way too strong. It’s depressing AF.
Thanks for the insight. There is clearly a deeply problematic culture of toxic masculinity and racism, misogyny, homophobia that seem to form the general climate of these elite Catholic private schools,
KBC, this, to me, is the problem. It’s a culture of entitled whiteness. As stated by a commenter above, these little shits also harassed some young women that same day. And everything about their environment, from the chaperones to the parents to the Bishop of that diocese, enables it. That bishop is supposed to be a nasty piece of work, even for a Catholic bishop.
They hired a giant PR team. The same one that does work for Mitch McConnell. You can’t leave a negative comment about these kids without it being downvoted on Reddit. For some reason all these articles showing them in a favorable light where all over Reddit yesterday. Most of them posted by new accounts.
Galighting Pros, these mothereffers.
Anytime I replied to them they would start off with “Are you ok?” “Are you feeling alright?” blah blah. It was typical gaslighting. They also were manipulating people. When someone posted about how they where harassment women (there is a video on twitter), they posted screenshots from the girl’s twitter account. It was very strange.
Kitten, Yes.
Sarah, Omg, yes, I keep getting “You ok?” As if we’re just easily triggered “snowflakes.” Owning the libs is all they care about. This level of rage has got to be taking a toll on my health, even if I can’t feel it yet.
As of yesterday, they were still on “have you seen the whole video?” But I guess that didn’t work so “are you ok?” is their new gaslighting technique.
Sarah- and said PR firm is run by CNN political commentator Scott Jennings, who used fellow CNN douche Jake Tapper to spread the deflection. Media is water carrying for these punks.
I read the main asshole’s statement before it was well-known that it was released by a Republican-connected PR firm, and it was laughable. They really milked the “I’m an innocent Pollyanna, over here praying while the brown man intimidated me” trope to within an inch of its life. It did not read like a 16-year-old boy had written it, so it made all the sense in the world that it was written by a adult white man with a narrative to push.
So his parents can afford to hire an expensive PR firm, but not braces for his teeth??? Easy to see where their priorities lie.
And the #verifiedbullies campaign actually said that Twitter should protect the Covington boys from backlash in the same way they defended the Parkland school shooting survivors from trolls. Because if you’re a toxic white male in America and you get called out, you feel as victimized as a survivor of a school shooting.
I mean these kids showed up at the pro life march wearing MAGA hats. They didn’t even need to open their mouths at all for me to know all I need to know.
I find it interesting, however, that most of who they get to show up for these marches is high schools kids they have to bus in from around the country. Most these high schoolers are pretty sheltered and haven’t had a lot of life experience – says a lot that that’s who they get to fill their ranks at these events. I definitely agreed with the point made that a lot of these kids are essentially being used by their church and their parents (Nick Sandmann not withstanding, he seems happy to be there).
I’ll never understand how these kids attended an anti-abortion protest while wearing MAGA hats designed by their fuhrer, who is on the record for having paid for porn stars’ abortions.
Well Mao destroyed centuries of culture and tradition by using kids (Red Guard) so I’m not surprised the GOPers and religious nuts are doing that.
My aunt posted something “thanking” that little punk for “smiling.”
That is a HORRIFYING “smile.” That is a Ted Bundy smile. No one wants a smile like that.
Mostly because it’s an arrogant I am better than you SMIRK.
It’s a smirk that many women know all to well and it is CHILLING.
It’s the same smirk that all those who sat at those lunch counters in the 50s and 60s know all too well.
Yup.
https://i.redd.it/pq9x7m1nmz9z.jpg
Yes any woman who acts like she doesn’t recognize that smile is lying
As someone who has experienced racial intimidation, I know that seething smirk for what it is. It is anything but innocuous. To look someone in the eye and truly see the depths of hatred they have for you based on the color of your skin is both mystifying and downright chilling. My instinct would have been to escape. That Phillips remained there and remained human in the face of an utter lack of humanity is a testament to his courage and exemplary character.
How terrible thar that has happened to you 😧
I called it when the story broke about it being Brett Kavanaugh surrounded by Squi. Many Squis. Only the best Squis. Everyone says so. Blackface Squis. Taunting number 23 Squis. I like beer…etc, blah blah blah ad nauseum.
Welcome to Dante’s 7th
I bet they have the BEST calendars.
I’ve been having a hard time with this story since it broke this past weekend. I broke down in tears when I first saw the video of the little MAGAt (who was only in DC to protest MY rights as a grown woman) smugly staring down a native elder. Now that we know more of the story and have seen more videos of the boys harassing women and the black face at b’ball games, I’m just feeling so defeated. It’s Kavannaugh all over again. White males will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt. Will always get a chance to explain, to lie, to make themselves the victim. I’m just so tired of it all.
I’m with you. And not only do they manage to make themselves the victims, they get a shit ton of people to circle the wagons in support. It’s beyond discouraging and disheartening.
It really reinforces a horrible pattern that exists in our society. It’s hard to not get discouraged.
It’s not just white males getting the benefit of the doubt, it’s the shittiest of white males, the jerkiest of the jerks, the lowest of the low.
Yet the kids whose classmates were shot and want gun reform are crisis actors and ruining the country. Trump and his followers sure have a twisted sense of good and bad.
They as in politics organize well. It is why they win elections, it is why they gain power its why they win the media war. They win because they never divide themselves. Tehya re very loyal no matter what. We had so called liberals on here splitting hairs on voting for a strong liberal over a few policy changes. Liberals will keep losing the so called “war” as long as they sit on it has to be joyous, perfect and “good”. The right don’t care about sticking with any morals and will stay in line and not divide.
Smug, racist little (I won’t call him what I want here) who wanted to look big and bad in front of his friends and now he wants to play the wide-eyed “I respect all adults” angel now that his parents are freaking out about college!!! And his future career!!! Their poor child!! His dead eyed, obviously rehearsed responses to Guthrie’s questions don’t inspire much confidence in his intelligence anyway, sorry.
Also, what idiot chaperones encouraged these kids to engage with the original group? Why wouldn’t they move them back to the bus before Nathan Phillips and his group were even there? They must have been enjoying it too, because this was clearly not “positive school spirit cheering” like they’re trying to spin it. This whole story makes me sick because it’s the Donald Trump effect-just lie. Lie and scream “fake news!” at any story where you’re in the wrong.
Along with hundreds of my fellow alumni we have sent a letter to our Alma Mater (ND) stating we would forever close our checkbooks if anyone from this school is admitted during its current enrollment. It may not matter but they need to understand that this is NOT the type of young man the University needs. I’m sure this makes me seem intolerant but this kind of individual who feels “he had every right to stand there” simply doesn’t deserve the privilege of admission. His parents should be ashamed. This school should be ashamed. The simple respect your elders & being a decent human being is lost on this entitled brat.
Fantastic. Good on you, Snappyfish.
I’m sure Liberty University will offer him a full ride.
Thank you for doing that. At least one of the brats in that crowd had an ND hat on and I bet a lot of them are applying there.
The only thing a lot of these colleges understand is money.
@Kelsey, that’s why we did it. It was seen by the head of my alumni class & he started the drive. I was told yesterday that over 5K of us pledged. As a private university money is what speaks the loudest, sadly.
I think this is the straw that broke the camels back for me. I need to stop reading the news for a little while. I’m exhausted.
Also, that kid is like a robot in that clip. He doesn’t blink or move his eyes once and his voice is so flat. He reminded me of my five year old when he’s way over tired and has that thousand mile stare right through me when I’m trying to talk to him.
“Also, that kid is like a robot in that clip.”
sociopath.
Looking at that boy’s face I wouldn’t be surprised to find the bodies of tortured pets buried in his garden. Very cruel.
At this point im going to have to avoid watching the news. It sickens me that ANYONE could look at that puke’s smirk and thinkhe was scared and silently praying. He did it to get a laugh out of his buddies.
And trying to tell your view in posts just brings the crazies out . one said oh i hope he gets a license to carry concealed gun for next time he’s harassed. And the ONLY response they have to presented evidence is to say ” oh you’re a triggered leftist”. No morons this has nothing to do with right or left believes but everything to do with the no longer hidden rasicm of these trolls. Every racist piece of crap are coming out from under their rocks and showing their faces because TRUMP is their poster child.
Can we retroactively build a wall and send 3/4 of the country back to Europe? I’m exhausted.
The victimizing of white boys continues at the expense of Indigenous Peoples.
Please not back to Europe. We have enough problems with our homegrown right wing assh***.
Is there maybe a nice uninhabited rocky Island somewhere they can all go together and create there toxic racist white masculinity culture without a chance to harass anybody else?
(Please an Island without wildlife as well, I don´t want them to torture a poor animal for the fun of it).
There has been no video evidence to corroborate the kids’ chanting build the wall.
Yeah because it’s just so incredibly hard to believe that a bunch of unruly Trump-supporters would chant “build a wall”. I mean, have you SEEN the psychos at Trump rallies? But yeah, if you didn’t see video evidence of it I’m sure it didn’t happen.
And anyway you are wrong. There is a video a young woman took while being harassed by these young men. They were chanting “build a wall” to her.
ETA: Sorry if my reply was snappy but I’m seriously so effin sick of people looking for reasons to excuse this shit.
and even if they didn’t chant that, they chanted things like “it’s not rape if you enjoy it”.
please, DO NOT defend these little pr*cks. they may not have approached Mr. Phillips, but they mocked him, their school is OK with blackface at games against predominantly black high schools, and they are rape-apologists.
I hate how much Trump and the Reps are turning this country into the United States of Racists.
It’s always been racist.
As a biracial person who had grandparents that couldn’t vote….it was built on racism and we boomed our economy through it. We have always been racist and are still racist.
it’s been remarkable to watch the walk back by the media… I suspect it has more to do with how they actually identify with these families… they’re just ‘rambunctious boys’; so misunderstood.
meanwhile, another p.r. manufactured excuse: ‘She did ask why Sandmann didn’t walk away from Phillip, the teenaged student offered that “he didn’t want to be disrespectful to Mr. Phillips,”
The parents have also hired lawyers and are threatening libel lawsuits.
I would love to know how these privileged MAGA brats’ PR firm will spin this video….because they can’t. You can clearly hear them yell MAGA, build the wall, and slut. To me, this video shows the world actually what a Trump supporter looks and sounds like. But boys will be boys, right?
https://mobile.twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768
I refuse to be gaslit by these jokers and their media teams. I’m ashamed that all these media are walking back from their reporting with both sides BS. Privilege at its worst.
Indian Country today has been doing a great job covering this story, and has the best video that shuts down the “oh they were just standing there and this guy came up to them”. The chaperones should never have never let them engage and def should have shut it down when they swarmed the second group-politics aside that is a school group that was out of control. The chaperones are literally laughing and egging them on.
https://vimeo.com/312330750
It’s interesting. I have a personal blog – which I am NOT hyping here because it’s bad manners and NOT the point of the post and frankly, it’s mostly just to help loosen me up for a book-like object I’ve been trying to write for the past 30 years.
I post once a week about anything I want to write about, but my knee-jerk reaction when I saw the video clip was to read what was out there news-wise, listen to what all the video I could see was available, and then write a post about it. Then, all the other context was revealed, so I went back to see what I’d written to make sure I hadn’t jumped to any unfair conclusions.
There was enough information in the original video, coupled with Mr. Phillips’ explanations, to not have jumped to any incorrect conclusions.
I changed … nothing. Except for the spelling of Nathan Phillips’ name, which I’d had right, then changed because I thought someone else knew more than I did, which turned out to be the wrong call.
Okay, let’s all take a very deep breath, please. Trump, prejudice, racism, rape, misogyny are anathemas. We know that. Are any of you mothers of boys? I am. When I watched the video, I turned to my husband, who is a school administrator, and said, “You have to watch this. There’s more to this story. This young man is going to be crucified. The optics are horrible. I hope he’s strong enough to endure the hate that will be directed toward him.” I saw truly regretful decisions made by all concerned parties. Yet, many commenters want a pound of flesh from just the young, white men. Where were the chaperones? If park rangers hadn’t been on furlough, they might have been able to diffuse the situation. My son is scheduled to attend a class trip to D.C. this fall. Have I been speaking to him about what happened last weekend. You betcha! Am I still terrified! You betcha! Is there any possibility of commenters tempering their outrage with a dose of mercy and forgiveness?
After everything you’ve seen transpire the past few days leading us up to where we are now, are you REALLY still worried? This young man is being given the Poor Victim treatment by the media and public writ large. He is being treated as practically a HERO. His awful behavior is being REWARDED by stints on national television and an invitation to the White House FFS, all the while being coddled by the media and heralded by the Right.
Is this like Poor Kavanaugh who’s “life was destroyed” by being confirmed to a Supreme Court seat?
I mean REALLY, how much more reassurance do you need? If your (presumably) white teenager acts like a punk-ass by harassing young women, making rape jokes, being incredibly disrespectful and mocking towards a Native American elder on his trip to DC, he’ll be treated like a pariah and given the keys to the kingdom.
No need to worry.
Bleh. Martyr not pariah. Need coffee but hopefully you still get the point 😉
Thanks Kitty.
1. I’m guessing you’re not going to encourage your son to wear something polarizing that identifies him as part of a group with a reputation for bullying.
2. I’m guessing that you are the kind of parent who has encouraged your children to step back and think, especially if they’re in a loaded or potentially dangerous situation.
I completely agree with you about the chaperones. They failed these students on so many levels. But any parent who would HIRE A PR FIRM to issue a statement is a parent who, unlike you, does not understand that “the optics are horrible.”
One thing that could possibly have defused the situation would have been for Mr. Sandmann’s family to have simply have apologized for a situation that got out of control without any PR pros involved, and for his mother’s initial statement to not have blamed “Black Muslims,” which she did.
I hope your son has a great time in DC and doesn’t get caught in any kind of demonstration!
“Going to be crucified…” “Pound of flesh….” Interesting framing.
Yeah, like the kid saying standing my ground.
Why immediately assume there was more to the story? Innocent young black men rarely get the benefit of the doubt, and worse, the have no voice with which to defend themselves once they are shot, nor do they have the funds to hire wealth Washington crisis-management teams.
You’re right though – the optics of racism are horrible. It really looks bad. That’s why they should be teaching their sons and daughters not to be racist.
Tessycat, Funny how when my teens went on field trips I wasn’t “terrified” about what they might do while on the city streets and sites, even in large, diverse crowds. You betcha. You talk about mercy and forgiveness. That requires a modicum of humility from both parties and the heavily coached Sandmann sure isn’t showing any of that.
Your son is a white male in America. You’re not the one who needs to worry. If you raised him right, then what’s the problem?
Some of the so called chaperones were in the crowd with MAGA hats on. So there you go.
I’ll bet that Emmet Till’s mother would have loved a dose of mercy and forgiveness.
You betcha!
As a mother of a son, I’ll bet Trayvon Martin’s mother would have dearly loved a dose of mercy and forgiveness.
You betcha!
I reckon that all the mothers of Black sons shot down in cold blood would, with all their hearts and souls, have loved even the tiniest shred of mercy and forgiveness for their children.
YOU BETCHA!!!!!
…. I could go on but will refrain.
And–all that said–my advice to you, .@Tessycat is that you ask your son to dress in an unremarkable fashion, that you speak to him about respect and manners, that you send him off with responsible, mature chaperones, and, finally, that you open your heart just a little bit more to mothers of color. It’s not all about you and your white son. There’s a big world out here and–contrary to what you might believe–it’s not your place to exhort the readers of Celebitchy to “take a very deep breath.” Also: speaking for myself, I am not part of your “we” so you might take my words here as a good lesson in boundaries. Indeed, if you want to give patronizing lectures, give them to your son and your husband the school administrator.
Question of the day:
Is it time to dog walk smug “but what about those poor, innocent boys who deserve compassssssssion?” posters?
YOU BETCHA!
*claps*
Thank you.
Please start a blog. I need your blog.
All of this. You are my hero today for this post.
It is infuriating that people think that these brats were targeted.
When Michael Brown was shot and kiled- who was 18, only a year younger than the smirker pictured above – the NYT ran a story on him that said he was “no angel.” Tamir Rice – who was 12 at the time – was blamed for his own murder. Same with 16 year-old Trayvon Martin. None of those three, plus countless others were ever given the benefit of the doubt.
If these kids were black or Latino we would never hear the end of how they were “thugs” and how terrible their parents are.
My boys watched this and said the boys in the video were pieces of shit
And I don’t need to worry about my boys because they wouldn’t be out there doing these types of things
Because they aren’t racist and I would never send them to a racist Christian school (I went to private Christian schools) and they don’t have racist friends.
Pretty much if you aren’t racist and don’t raise your kids racist, this isn’t something you need to worry about your kids being a part of.
Just like good men don’t need to worry about false rape accusations.
I agree with everything you said except the “false rape accusations”. There are men who have been completely INNOCENT and have been accused and convicted of rape. There was a news story just this week of a Black teen who spent 6 years in jail for a rape he didn’t commit. The girl, after 6 years, finally admitted she made up the whole thing ! He was just let out of prison a few days ago.
Ok yeah, I wasn’t clear on the false rape thing.
I was speaking to white privilege. I’m well aware people of color, past and present, get falsely accused of rape and other things.
I was still speaking about my son’s, and husband. The mindset of rape, date rape, denying a woman’s choice is alien and foreign to them, and they would speak up and not allow it to continue if they saw it.
So would never worry about my kids being any kind of rapist.
Or racist. Or brett kavanaugh.
I also explained/continue to explain to them and discuss white privilege, and how they can help others because they have a voice. How they can use their white privilege for good.
Ok thanks for clarifying. It’s good you talk to your children and husband about that. Being self-aware is so important. I really hope one day there will no longer be such a thing as “white privilege” and instead just equal rights for all.
“I hope he’s strong enough to endure the hate that will be directed toward him.”
oh yes, let’s all pray for the privileged teenage white boy who wore a hat that represents oppression of marginalized people to protest woman’s right to choose.
why should we have mercy and forgiveness for a person who supports someone who has none? for a person who thinks it’s funny to mock an indigenous person’s traditional song and drum beat? for a person who thinks ‘it’s not rape if you enjoy it”? yeah, I’ll hold my mercy for the people that 45 and his supports want gone/executed/deported/imprisoned.
I do think this is a teachable moment. I feel for parents who worry about toxic friends and environments that might impact their children. But I also feel for the POC and women in our country who are regularly harassed and assaulted by men with unchecked privilege. I feel for mothers of color who fear for their children’s safety every single day. These students were not the victims here. They are being held accountable for their actions, albeit on a national stage.
If today’s lesson becomes more about protecting bad behavior than discouraging it, then we’ve failed our young people.
We can’t let the instinct to protect our children from negative consequence come at the expense of everyone else.
Ahh, the old “if only the park rangers hadn’t been furloughed” excuse. Listen…if you’re reaching for park rangers, you’ve already lost the argument.
BEFORE the confrontation with Nathan Phillips, the teens were harassing young girls and screaming at them “Maga!” “Build the Wall!.” and calling them sluts. They did all of this unprovoked by anyone while they were sitting on a bench. One girl even posted a video on Twitter where you can hear and see those words being said to her and the girls she was with.” So these boys were already causing trouble well before the confrontation with Nathan Phillips.
Are you okay with that? You’re fine with them screaming the word “Slut” at girls unprovoked?
Also at least one the Covington boys in another video is heard shouting “It’s not rape if you’re enjoying it.” Are you okay with that as well?
So obtuse.
MAGA boy claims he was smiling! So friendly!
No, that’s clearly a smug snarky smirk.
MAGA boy claims he was not aggressive at all, his person space was invaded, didn’t say a word. What a good boy!
No, that’s clearly staring and glaring.
MAGA boy claims he didn’t hear Build the Wall chants. So it didn’t happen.
No, the chants are heard.
Just Darvo,
Deny
Attack
Reverse
Victim
Oppressor
I listened to those chants and they sounded like school cheers to me, from what I remember of pep rallies in the 80’s. I couldn’t understand all the words, but one that included air punches was clearly “We’ve got spirit, how about you?”
I don’t think they’ll make the mistake of assuming that courtside behavior will be interpreted as such off-court any more. And I hope they realize that groups of men, however well-intentioned, can seem threatening to smaller groups or individuals.
That wasn’t toxic masculinity on display (except for the appalling date-rape comment), but too many of us know that it could have been, and that a group of young men could have turned into a rampaging mob. I think it’s that fear that’s stoking some of the outrage.
And the hat? I can’t stand Trump or vote Republican, but I do understand that the MAGA hat wearing community will wear it in support of limited government, school choice, and the moral viewpoint that life begins at conception. Those MAGA hat wearers aren’t terrorists. They’re fellow Americans with the right to free speech.
“That wasn’t toxic masculinity on display (except for the appalling date-rape comment),”
Have you seen the video where the students shout things at young women walking by?
But yes, joking about date rape and shouting at women isn’t toxic masculinity at all. Carry on with your excuses.
Really? They were chanting and dancing around the older man, Mr. Phillips, like they were at a Delta Chi hazing party. You didn’t see this? So glad you recognize that ‘groups of men, however well-intentioned, can seem threatening’ – think of that next time you see footage of police shooting at individual or groups of young black men because they feel they are ‘threatening’. These Covington kids have never had any fear of this ever. Hence their putrid display.
Sure not terrorists. And of course, rights to free speech. Was it those rights that led the little monsters to strip off their shirts and lead a loud mocking Maori-style “haka” dance on the steps of a Federal building, in broad daylight on a public street in full view of passerbys, while waiting for their BUS? (video is out there) Like, this is how they feel they can act away from home, in public spaces as they pass the time waiting around? Their behavior and demeanor for the entire weekend was gross and out of control.
I guess you didn’t view the vid posted by the young woman who was cat-called and verbally harassed by a smaller group of them the same day, again out on a public street where she was walking by minding her own business. But nope, no “toxic masculinity” on display here…I’ll let you go back to sleep.
Nick Sandmann is a perfect example of stupid, hateful behavior. He denies his behavior even as the video shows it. He was clearly confrontational with a smug smile. I, too, would have felt threatened. Now he denies it. Makes my blood boil. His parent’s hired a good spin doctor.
All I can do is laugh. Watching who I thought were reputable reporters in real-time shift from this is despicable behavior to boys will be boys to these boys are the REAL victims here was wild
He will probably have a White House internship this summer.
A White House lawyer went to that high school.
I had relatives living in Covington area. Not surprised at all that there remains a group of racist and that it’s passing on to this current generation of teenagers. They have such narrow worldview and it’s ironic that they believe they are followers of the Christian faith when their actions break most of Christian teachings. If Jesus came back – they wouldn’t be able to recognized him if their salvation depended on it.
It is incredibly hard that after everything in these past two years, the US media hasn’t learn ANYTHING about giving these *)&(&() a platform. They’ve never offered any of the REAL victims and their family such an opportunity. Instead of doing shows for ratings, the focus now should be shows for information and encouraging the viewers to think critically and logically again. Ugh.
Here is an excellent letter sent to the Diocese regarding the behavior of the students:
http://www.freerangelongmont.com/2019/01/20/letter-to-covington-archdiocese-covington-catholic-school/
To which facts are you objecting? The Native elder was cast as a villain, they said he was “approaching them beating his drum.” OMG, attack of the killer drum! One older man banging a drum to distract two groups of young men clearly ready to fight! Meanwhile, Donald Trump is a white man, a documented racist and a documented fraud (and nearly a documented traitor, too).
As for the invitations to the White House, yeah, the students got one because this is just the kind of issue Trump needs to stir the pot.
Also, “you’re” is the contraction for you + are, and you can hyphenate made-up as the modifying phrase for “facts. “
I seem to spend a lot of time adoring you, WATP.
Awwww! Likewise I’m sure.
commented in wrong place.
Enjoy your fifteen minutes, you little douche. You’ll be forgotten soon. All people will remember is how GD long your jaw is. Is that mean, to attack someone, well what’s good for the goose………….
His response to Savannah’s question about the students making racist remarks is priceless. “I go to a Catholic school…racism is not tolerated” (paraphrasing). Yep.
Just google St. Mikes College Toronto broomstick to read more about what can happen in a “Catholic” educational environment.
Thanks for bringing up the subject of St. Mikes in Toronto … another abysmal educational ‘environment’ that will try to squeak by. Something is rotten in the Catholic educational system, reflecting the same something that is rotten in the Catholic church – the church that continues to oppress and invalidate women, and that has systematically aided and abetted decades of child abuse. This is the result of centuries of corruption and rot, and no one single Pope has the ability or even the inclination to correct that. The only thing remaining is to take the whole miserable system down.
Also the school is well known for dressing up in blackface and harassing black students & opponents. But SURE racism isn’t tolerated. *eye roll*
Thank you as a Native who attended a Catholic school, it’s definitely allowed and a blind eye turned for the most part. There were some Irish nuns who were so ba, though.
How the world works now a days, that young man will probably be the president one day. He probably already has thousands of people that would vote for him. Those teenage boys remind me of the f*ckers I went to elementary school and high school with. They were so racist and abusive but they were NEVER punished. They were protected. Seems like things never change.
I am so, so, so tired of racist idiots cloaking themselves in Christianity. I’m not watching the interview but I saw part of it where he went for the “But I am a Christian and I love God” BS argument. STOP invoking God. STOP invoking your religion. It has nothing to do with how you behaved, which is terribly. As if your religion can act as a shield for your actions. And no, it cannot.
He may ‘love God” but does God love him?
*inserts Mariah’s, “I don’t know her” gif here*
To the poster above who said if Jesus came back they wouldnt recognize him : if Jesus did come and offer love to all races, they’d crucify him AGAIN because in their minds only white people deserve the rewards in life.
This “church on Sunday christians” who do the exact opposite every other day hypocrites are why i lost faith in religion
Yes. I agree with you on this too. It is what irks me to know end – they don’t even practice the religion they claim to believe; instead they just used it as a PR – marketing strategy.
yeah, they don’t really take that whole “What would Jesus do?” thing very seriously.
I don’t think Jesus would harass women by perpetuating rape culture, nor would he wear blackface, nor would he mock an indigenous person’s chant…nor would he support a man whose entire campaign was vilifying brown-skinned people.
too many so-called Christians use their religion to discriminate and hate. Jesus would do neither. at least the Jesus whose teachings I follow.
I think we can all agree that the boys in the video are not going to learn a damn thing from this but instead are going to use it to try and get through life because “ohmygosh I learned so much from my (experience) when this happened etc.” As a catholic, well I don’t want to be anymore and if they want to support people like this then I’m out. The thing that pisses me off is that racism has become so normal here that its not as shocking as it used to be. We are literally the laughingstock of the whole world when it comes to the views this country has. My state was just getting over racism, the older generation was dying out that were die hard racists. Now since MAGA has blown up, it’s getting worse again.
and… is it too much to ask one of those chatterbunnies who are so eager to provide airtime to these MAGAts why a busload of catholic high school young men were attending an anti-women’s rights march in the first place.
you can bet your jesus cross that there are more than a couple whose sister/girlfriend and possibly even a mother or two have had abortions.
They go to a Catholic school. The Catholic church is pro-life. Hence, the boys participated in a pro-life march.
This whole mess makes me tired. I live in the DC area and I’ve been randomly screamed out by people from the Hebrew Israelites group – they stand outside the metro sometimes and yell at everyone. It’s an unpleasant experience, and I can see how kids might be dumb enough to start screaming awful crap back instead of ignoring them the way they should. The chaperones should’ve led them away from the Hebrew Israelite protestors if the kids were getting upset. But what I do not get at all is why being upset by the Hebrew Israelite protestors means that it’s ok to start mocking the Native American man. It reminds me of when I was a kid, and my brother would get picked on at school and come home and start picking on me. My mom would say oh, he’s having such a hard time with those kids at school, I need you to be the bigger person and just let it go. And as a result, I suffered my brother being a jerk until I just stopped interacting with him unless absolutely necessary, and my brother still lives his life nursing his pain and lashing out at others. This idea that being picked on by one person somehow justifies picking on someone else (who can’t or won’t fight back) is so toxic IMO. And these boys are probably going to turn out like my brother, obsessed with the ways in which they’ve been hurt (it might be unpopular here, but I do think the level of vitriol in some corners was pretty gross. Threats of violence are way out of line IMO) and never learning how to cope with their pain or disappointments in a healthy way. All helped along with this toxic media narrative.
I formerly worked in times sq four floors above where they stood outside daily yelling about the evil white man.
that’s their schtick. they aren’t threatening anyone; they aren’t getting in anyone’s face. they are just noisy … and an attraction for the tourists.
You see BHI people here in Boston, too. They yell provocative things at people to get a reaction and you know how you respond? You keep walking and don’t engage. This could have been a teaching moment for these insular young men if the chaperones had been doing their damn job. One thing is clear: the actions of these young men clearly demonstrated that they do not get a lot of (if any) exposure to different races/cultures/ethnicities.
“I do not get at all is why being upset by the Hebrew Israelite protestors means that it’s ok to start mocking the Native American man.”
Yes!!!!
I am surprised how many people swallowed their illogical nonsense.
I wasn’t familiar with that organization…..I haven’t lived or worked in a large metropolitan area in many years.
I will say that their role in this seems to be under reported and downplayed. There was a single article on CNN that was more holistic about an hour long video that recorded the whole thing.
No, the kids don’t and shouldn’t get any sort of pass on this, but I also believe that “oh just ignore” them shrugs about the Black Hebrew Israelites role in this incident is myopic.
Again, this comment is in no way excusing the Covington Catholic kids, but an honest assessment that our disgust shouldn’t be exclusively focused on their role. We can be outraged at the behavior of both and I argue that we should be.
I wonder which far right group provided the MAGA gear for these little fuckers. I also wonder what ‘donations’ were made to the church for participation.
A perspective from an adult who has had frequent interactions with CCHS.
https://www.facebook.com/75200956/posts/900509610113/
That was a good read. Thanks for posting !
Someone above mentioned moral compass. And that’s all there is. You either have one or you don’t. And if you have one that has issues pointing north, it’s broken, and you don’t have one. I’m done with people who publicly illustrate a failure to own a moral compass.
I wish them painful lives.
I hate to break the news but it is impossible to be racist And a true christian as the real historical Jesús was most likely black or at least dark skinned. So there, none of those idiot racists are true christians, or aware of history.
Well, it’s too late for those foolish kids and their dubious school, they’re infamous now.
“I wasn’t smirking.” Boo boo the screenshot that made you infamous is of you smirking. I can’t with this Orwellian “don’t believe what you see” sh-t show.
I was going back and forth with a friend on her page about it and she and everyone who piled on to call me a snowflake libtard said the boys are just having fun and doing their school chants and why do snowflakes have to be offended by everything – the usual stuff. Then I looked at all of them and realized they are all raising shitty, smug, entitled ahole sons so they need to defend these kids to protect their own shitty kids. It’s a small city. You know practically everyone you’re talking to. I just bailed and blocked a couple of the particularly abusive people and thought, I hope I don’t run into that chick any time soon. yeesh.
The best thing would be for the media to ignore the little turd. He is insignificant. I wish instead of interviewing him, writing about him, they’d devote that time and energy and airspace to people impacted by the shutdown and keep hammering home how bad that significant turd is in the White House. This is just another distraction. It’s just mind boggling to me that people continue to fall for this.
I get why people are upset about this, but it’s commonplace sadly. And it’s not going to win any elections or do anything else to impact real change. Entitled white kid at fancy private school is a dick and in other news water is wet. Also, Trumps are out in full force doing a media tour thanking federal employees for their sacrifice for the greater good and trying to absolve Drumpf of the responsibility. The left needs to focus on that right now – not some idiot kid.
Yeah, the whole thing is reeks. Don’t feel too sorry for this little fuckwit because after college (Mom/Dad alma mater or Liberty U) he’ll get a job with an equally racist family friend. Then again- maybe not? We were looking at this kid, and his teeth – WTF is up with that? I guess the rich don’t do orthodontia any more? Lastly, I read Trump is gonna invite these assholes to the white house? OMG.
I saw a tweet/ig post, cant recalled about this nazi POS. He barely an adult but already know what he has to do and what he never need to do. All he needs to do is a smirk and that smirk contains all his white supremacy feelings. No shouting, no harassing, nothing, just smirk..
Dman that post is powerful. This is has been ingrained in them
Def. a future kavanope
This one? I found it on Twitter. It’s so on point. The person that posted goes by the name of Marlon James.
“He didn’t shout, didn’t rage, he didn’t threaten, & he did not even lift a finger. Because he’s not even 20 yrs old, & he knows he never has to. He just stood there w/ his smirk, the line sealing his white privilege. A smirk saying that nothing you speak matters, your existence doesn’t matter, not even the fact that you were here first matters. You’re a joke because I find you funny, you’re a target because I got my bulls eye on you, and you are nothing because I won’t even remember you by the time I get home. This is racism boiled down to the core, bigotry in excelsis”
We all know this kid – the attitude, the smirk, the self entitlement. What has changed is the internet and this getting out – his parents freaked the &^%$ out – he is off to college next year and they don’t need this ruining his chances so it’s damage control time. Hope it does.
Toxic masculinity and racism in Catholicism and Catholic high school is a thing. Source: went to Catholic school. I can’t with these little shits. Stop giving them attention.
Is frightening how this Catholic school has seemingly nurtured such blatant UN Christian behaviour. In my area the Catholic schools generally have excellent educational and behavioural standards. They are state schools but you have to be Catholic to go there. At 6 form level they allow non Catholics in to do a levels. The kids that go there are usually better behaved and the parents more involved. All of my friends that were raised Catholic are very welcoming and genuinely Christian in their out look on life. A few Catholics I’ve come across are more old school in their beliefs, but the vast majority don’t have issues with contraception, same sex relationships and are pro life but pro choice. The Catholic church need to change its leadership in that region as it seems to be laced with pure poison, it’s almost medieval.
America exposed?
So this is what’s really going on?
There was hope.
This story says indicates hope is lost.
Disgraceful.
He can’t explain away that smirk on his face. It is what it is. Sorry if one of my kids did that to me, they’d earn a smack.
His mama was the one who emailed to the Daily Fail and then told them to delete it. She is a VP in Fidelity. I’m glad I’m not doing business with them.