Duchess Kate is trying to ‘phase out’ her ‘rural rival,’ a local marchioness

The Duke And Duchess Of Cambridge Attend Gala Dinner To Support East Anglia's Children's Hospices' Nook Appeal

These photos are from 2016, when the Marquess and Marchioness of Cholmondeley hosted a fundraiser for East Anglia Children’s Hospices’ Nook Appeal. The Duchess of Cambridge is the royal patron of EACH, and the promise of William and Kate attending the black-tie fundraiser was one of the big reasons why the Marquess and Marchioness hosted the event. The Cambridges’ country home, Anmer Hall, is just a few miles away from Houghton Hall, the ancestral Cholmondeley home (Houghton is a palatial 106-room abode, while Anmer Hall is more of a nice family home). The Marquess and Marchioness are named David Rocksavage (awesome name, Ned Rocknroll is jelly) and Rose Hanbury. Rose is a former model and now an aristocrat’s much-younger wife. Rose and Kate are close in age (35 and 37, respectively) and they reportedly enjoyed a warm friendship in the “turnip toff” society that exists in Norfolk. Norfolk is where a lot of William and Kate’s posh/aristocratic/new money friends live now and so they’re all part of that “set.”

So, what’s the problem? Apparently, Rose and Kate had some kind of falling out. A week ago, the Daily Mail buried this story in their gossip pages – unnamed friends claimed that Kate always viewed herself as the Queen Bee of those Turnip Toffs, only to find out that many like Rose as much as Kate, or even more than Kate. A source told the DM: “On the face of it, it’s bizarre, but Kate seems to see Rose as a rival.” The sources claim that they don’t know why there seems to have been some kind of dramatic falling out between Rose and Kate, but there is definitely a rivalry. One week later, the story has gotten even more dramatic:

A falling out between Kate and one of her long-term best friends has stunned royal insiders. Last week it emerged that the Duchess of Cambridge views Rose Hanbury as a “rural rival” while at home in Sandringham, Norfolk. Now we have learned the falling out between Kate, 37, and her ex-close pal — who is the Marchioness of Cholmondeley — is much worse than first thought.

Prince William has even stepped in to try to broker peace because he and Kate have enjoyed double dates with 35-year-old Rose and her posh husband David Rock­savage — who at 58 is 23 years his wife’s senior — as the royal heir gets on with him. However, royal insiders say Kate has refused and told William, 36, that former model Rose needs to be “phased out” as one of the ­couple’s closest confidantes.

Our source revealed: “It is well known that Kate and Rose have had a terrible falling out. They used to be close but that is not the case any more. William wants to play peacemaker so the two couples can remain friends, given they live so close to each other and share many mutual friends. But Kate has been clear that she doesn’t want to see them any more and wants William to phase them out, despite their social status.”

The fall-out has rocked the North Norfolk set, dubbed the “turnip toffs” after Kate and Wills moved to Anmer Hall, their country bolthole gifted to them by the Queen.

[From The Sun]

Doesn’t this sound… shady and amazing? For years, there have been rumors and whispers about the fact that Kate… doesn’t really get along with many women, especially women she sees as “competition.” I’m not saying Kate has no female friends – she does. But over the years, she’s phased out a lot of women, and we’ve seen over the past year and a half how utterly competitive she gets when another woman (Meghan) gets any kind of attention. Perhaps the Daily Mail was a bit hasty (or just racist) by declaring Meghan to be “Duchess Difficult” especially considering Kate is sitting in Norfolk and trying to Mean Girl the f–k out of marchioness.

Here’s something else: I’ve always completely believed that Kate loves her status and wields her title over people. She waity’d for so many years and now that she’s a duchess (and “future queen”) she gets off on lording it over people. I wonder what was at the heart of the falling out between Kate and Rose? And I wonder if William and Kate are vastly overestimating their social power and authority by thinking they can “phase out” the current Lord Great Chamberlain and his wife.

The Duke And Duchess Of Cambridge Attend Gala Dinner To Support East Anglia's Children's Hospices' Nook Appeal

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  1. Lisa says:

    So messy.

    • Garuda says:

      Just a reminder that anyone who gives traffic to the Daily Mail financially supports their nonsense, including the racist attacks on Meghan. This site clearly isn’t too opposed to those, since they are financially supporting them.

      • Silas Marner says:

        Does that include the Middletons? They chose the DM for James’ essay. By your reasoning, tge Middletons, Kate and William support racist attacks on Meghan.

      • JanetBee says:

        What-about-ing supporting bigotry and racism? Ghastly.

      • Silas Marner says:

        Anyone who makes the original point would want to include the Middletons in their point. That isn’t whataboutism. Leaving out the Middletons is cherrypicking.

        If the point is being against supporting the DM’s racism, then you must include the Middletons especially considering they are giving content which drives clicks and helps legitimize the DM.

        This is having the full conversation rather than using an important issue like racism because you may not like a negative gossip article.

      • JanetBee says:

        So you think this website should continue supporting the hatred and bigotry of the Daily Mail just because the Middletons do it?

      • Silas Marner says:

        I think the DM is unfortunately too big to ignore and covering these people means looking at what is written about them. Pointing out classicist, sexist and racist motivations in a story does not mean supporting the story or the publication.

        Analyzing is better than ignoring and hoping that people naturally see through it. Look at the example of people figuring out that the brothers were fighting and not the wives.

        People are quick to believe gossip that confirms what they already think and people shouldn’t believe the DM only when it suits them. Everything in that publication should be taken with a grain of salt.

      • Tina says:

        I only go to the DM now if I would like to investigate, to prove a point about their coverage. Everything else I get from here, and other secondary sites. It’s better than giving them clicks.

      • Bella Bella says:

        I kicked the DM habit 4 years ago. I feel sooooo much better. It really is a time suck of nastiness. No one is out and about, they are “flaunting.” Women don’t have legs, they have “pins” or “stems.” (What is this, the 1940s?) Don’t get me started on the word “bump.” I hate it.There’s a vocabulary of about 10 words that get rotated and all objectify or demean the female experience.

    • 90sgirl says:

      Kate sounds very insecure.

      But this is Kate m-o in the past since she was Williams girlfriend, to eventually dump any of her friends who may be considered attractive to jug head.

  2. Melly says:

    I highly doubt William is acting as a peacemaker, I can’t really imagine him caring all that much. William might have flirted a bit with Rose, who knows? Kate never struck me as a person who would be a good friend, particularly with other women. I’m not trying to be a jerk by saying that! It’s just seems like she tends to care more about herself, her family, and her status.

    • Milla says:

      Or this is leaked to make Kate look bad. There is some new docufantasy about chucky and it makes him look all vulnerable and stuff, so i keep going back to him and his mistress wife. All the leaks started at the same time his dad retired and chux took bigger role, preparing to be the king, all loved and respected. And i do think he’s the reason wh had a fallout, but let’s blame the women. All but Camilla.

    • Beli says:

      I don’t know about flirting, but I definitely can’t see William ever acting as peacemaker for anything, especially for something that isn’t about him.

      • Muffy says:

        Or she’s the one that leaked about Megan making Kate cry, and Kate is pissed about that. (I’d be embarrassed for crying in public, and that someone I considered a friend leaked that info).

      • shocked says:

        Except this is about William. He likes spending time with the husband, and as couples, so he’d like them to make up so things can continue on like that.

    • Amy Too says:

      My theory is that this is similar to the Kate and Meghan “fued” story being made up to cover for the Harry/Will actual fued. I think that William is jealous of the Marques and Marchioness because they are better liked than William and Kate. We know how petulant and lordly William can be, and if he sensed that the Turnip Toffs like Marchioness Rose better than himself and Duchess Kate, he would become indignant. He’d likely want it put out there that the Marques/Marchioness are falling from favor and being “phased out” but of course he’d also want to protect his reputation, take zero responsibility for the issue, AND come off as the noble peace-maker. He has no problem throwing other people, including his wife and family members, under the bus, so he would likely feel just fine about putting it all on Kate. He’s petty and childish like that and Kate seems to be spineless in the relationship.

    • Va Va Kaboom says:

      Who knows what the reason actually is, if this story is even true. But if these vague details are true we can be fairly certain whatever Rose did to upset Kate didn’t involve leaking. No way William would play peacemaker if Rose was leaking to the press. He’s be leading the charge against her.

  3. Ira says:

    Not a fan of Kate, but why the public need to know this story? What’s the purpose?
    I don’t care if Kate is competitive, if anything being competitive is actually a much desired trait in business. One of my colleague is very competitive that many of her partner resigned from the Job because they couldn’t catch up with her. But at the end of the day, she’s valued by our team and the company. She’s also the one who got promoted to Shanghai and later the HQ in Copenhagen. So, no, being competitive is not bad.

    • Melly says:

      In business being competitive is great! It’s just weird to be competitive with your friends. That tends to be a major sign of insecurity & not being a good friend imo.

      • Skipper says:

        No one knows if this story is even true and if it is the circumstances around it are unknown so why speculate

      • Melly says:

        @Skipper – Because this is a gossip website and speculating about celebrities/public figures is fun and harmless.

      • Spicecake38 says:

        Being competitive is absolutely fine in a professional environment,but I think being with your friends should be a place and time to let your guard down and allow yourself to be a bit vulnerable,friends support each other,that’s the point of true friendship.I know Kate is in a position where people can run to the tabloids,but certainly there are people who would not sell her out.If Kate is untrusting of everyone,and/or treats friends as competition then she is in for a lifetime of isolation,and that isn’t healthy for anybody,not even a famous duchess.🤔

    • Silas Marner says:

      It is gossip. It is how we speculate about the real personalities behind the public relations image.

      Competitive is good up to a point. I know a colleague who was completely untrustworthy because he wanted the praise for anything good and to deflect when anything bad happened. He would intefere with other people’s work to make his results look better. His career advanced until it completely stalled because someone he hurt advanced past him and got him out. Fair competition is good. His behavior created a bad environment and hurt everybody.

    • Meganbot2000 says:

      Kate’s not in business though, she’s essentially a stay at home mum who’s allegedly “in competition” with a fellow mum friend, not a business rival or colleague.

      The story is probably fake, but it’s weird to bring “workplace competition” into it. Being competitive with a friend is totally different than being competitive with someone you work with and are up against for the same projects and promotions.

    • Nic919 says:

      I don’t know if this story is true, but if you are competitive with your friends you are an asshole. Social life isn’t work and if you are cutting people off left and right eventually people will tire of it. It’s not the Middle Ages where aristos need to garner favour from the royals for money. Aristos and other rich people don’t need the royals at all. I hope Kate isn’t lording over her future queen status but if she is, it’s not going to go the way she thinks.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Being competitive with the people who do all the work for you with fundraising for one of your charities? Kate did nothing for this fundraiser, the Cholmondeleys did. Kate also didn’t show up for the first EACH fundraiser dinner in London, so they had to fall back on their celebrity patron Ed Sheeran.

      Biting the hand that feeds you (or raises money for your charity) out of what? Jealousy? Pettiness? Because you resent not being liked by your neighbors like the Marchioness is? Not a good look.

    • Laverdadduele says:

      Being competitive for competitiveness’ sake makes some people assholes. When people talk about competitiveness that results in meanness and backstabbing, they are referring more to the types that make life miserable at work for others. Sometimes those people get promoted, which is why many CEOs are assholes and sociopaths. If your colleague is a different case, that is great, but I think most of us refer to the other type that goes beyond healthy competition and makes people miserable around them

  4. Red Snapper says:

    Does anyone else think this about Will banging the Marchioness?

    • kacy says:


    • Gurl says:


      I recall reading that Camilla’s ex-husband Parker-Bowles had a long affair with Charles’ sister Anne. And they all are so evolved and civilized about it!

      • Mia says:

        there was talked Camilla’s ex was getting serious about Anne but the being apart of the Royal Firm, freaked him out. Her ex was considered quite a catch back in the day.

    • Sunnee says:

      Nope, why would she want him? It’s more likely about Will liking her and Kate not liking that. She married into a guy who has $200 million. Her PGM was HM’s bridesmaid. So she’s got aristocracy, money, connections and no public pressure.

      • Spicecake38 says:

        This is the kind of life I think Kate would have enjoyed much more than the pressure and work that it takes being a future queen consort.And I’ll gladly admit I would prefer it too😉

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Could be a possibility, especially since the stories are so ridiculously vague about the “how” and “why” of the fallout. And why would she demand that Will “phase them out” instead of just putting her foot down herself? But I’m also not sure I trust the story in general, given the sources…

    • CindyP says:


    • Emily says:

      Ooooh that’s a great theory! We haven’t heard anything from Jecca in a while…

      • jan90067 says:

        Can we PLEASE stop bringing up Jecca! She is a married woman, continents away, with a family of her own. Stop smearing her.

        Men and woman CAN be friends. Even after a failed romantic relationship. I have a very dear (male) friend; we decided we were *way* better as friends than lovers. He’s married since, and I like his wife a lot. We’re all friends now. It IS possible!

    • Redgrl says:

      Yep, possibly – and that’s in some of the comments too…

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      The article hints at something a long time ago but am not sure it is now – its either to do with status or that Willy is dipping it elsewhere and the Marchioness knew about it (and stayed out of it). Kate has always always been very impressed with herself over her status as Williams go to GF and now wife, and yeah she used it as a weapon over other people who she saw as a threat to that position. I have always believed that if one of the aristo girls had shown an interest in him and marrying into the RK, Kate and the Middletons would have been history.

    • Belle Epoch says:

      My brain also went straight to some kind of hanky panky. If this is remotely true, what would make Kate so very angry? She doesn’t have to play status games – she’s already won. Whether the “younger wife” flirted with Will or the other way around, Kate would get rid of the wife, end of story. I had a friend who tried to initiate sexytime with my husband – and we are not friends any more.

    • Svea says:

      With such an old dude for a husband, I’d definitely go with that there was some serious flirting going on.

      • jan90067 says:

        Rose’s husband is actually a pretty good looking man, and 58 is hardly “old”.

        “Old dude”??? REALLY?? He’s 58, what are you? 17? Honey, I feel for you if you think 58 is old lol.

      • Birdie says:

        @Jan: yes end of 50‘s is considered old. You seem quite offended, you are in your 50‘s I guess

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        End of 50s is still late middle-aged. Gerontologists – people who study “aging” – define “old” as starting at the conventional Western retirement age of 65, further dividing it between the young-old (65-85) and the old-old (85+). As people live longer, assuming they do, the definition may shift but it’s not likely to revert unless we live in medieval conditions with unsanitary water, air and food and lack of vaccination against preventable disease. Uh, wait… ; )

        Middle-aged is likely to be around ?40, 45-65 years old. Not sure where the starting line is, could be as young as 35 – not sure, we don’t have study programs in being middle-aged, just a lot of TV series and novels.

      • kacy says:

        Goodness, he’s alot older and Wills is younger is all we’re saying. No need to bring out a textbook

      • Vizia says:

        Honestly, 58 used to be “old” in that people were less active, less concerned about health etc. My grandfathers were both definitely “old” at 58. My husband is pretty young at 59–as in active/healthy lifestyle, mental curiousity, emotionally healthy etc. Hell, the other day my niece was surprised that I’m the same age as (to her!) old-seeming in-laws–our lifestyles and outlooks are very different.

      • RedWeatherTiger says:

        Older, maybe, but the marquess (is that right???) is still better looking than William. And he’s got a bigger home…I bet Kate is also quite jealous of their wealth while she–a future queen, damn it!–has to care about how much she spends on a dress because the poors will be upset if she spends too much.

      • M.A.F. says:

        The wife is 35. So, yes at 58 that is old. He could be her father. My father was 58 when I was 35 so there you go.

      • Spicecake38 says:

        He looks handsome and in great shape for 58,and I understand that it seems old to some,but as I’m now 43 I can assure you it’s relatively middle aged,not old.The wife is a lovely woman,but age doesn’t matter to me,and it must not matter to them either (perhaps the money,title,and connections help😏),my husband is older than me by 15 years and he out does me -he’s active,handsome,fit,fun,so to each their own I guess.

      • Redgrl says:

        58 isn’t old – particularly for someone who maintains their health and stays active and curious. I remember as a child or teenager thinking my parents and grandparents were “old” or “middle aged” and they were only in their 50’s. Not sure if every generation has that
        feeling or if it’s that people are active longer and in better physical shape now. There’s no doubt that there are different stressors that come into play when there’s a big age difference between spouses. It doesn’t necessarily occur to you that it matters when one is 30 and the other is 40 – but when one hits 60 and the other 50 the notion of ageing and likely being widowed sooner than you’d like becomes a lot more real. It really hits home at that point how precious time together is. And so for people in that situation, some of the comments can feel quite insensitive, whether or not they are intended to be. Being able to grow old is a blessing that many people are unfairly denied. It’s not an insult to be older or old, and some of the comments here seems to imply or suggest that it is. So I can see why some people would find that disrespectful.

      • Svea says:

        What I meant was she might like to get a bit of flirt on with someone her own age and to whom she is not married. Matried people still flirt. However I really don’t see and affair. My biggest guess is just some hurt feelings or clashing between the ladies if this gossip is even true.

        I was just being flippant. Sheesh.

      • Meganbot2000 says:

        It’s not so much that he’s objectively old, it’s that he’s almost twice his wife’s age. When they married she was 25 and he was nearly 50.

      • CindyP says:

        Never mind him; she’s a really old 35; If you told me she was 50 I’d believe it.

      • osito says:

        @who are these people — That was really interesting! Thanks for sharing!

    • Nic919 says:

      The really vague reason for why the fallout happened makes me wonder as well.

    • DIRTNAP says:

      That’s what I thought. Sometimes the swinging and the swapping just gets out of hand …

    • Frida_K says:

      They look like twins to me. Their faces are a bit different, but the same colored dresses, the same body shape, the same carriage and postures.

      They are interchangeable, just on the face of it. So yes, I could see Willy opting for a fling and thinking not a thing of it, while Waity (now Wifey)–on the other hand–feels threatened to the very core.


    • Carolind says:

      A bit – or fancying her!

  5. Kittycat says:

    This is a weird story to say the least.

    Uninteresting and boring.

    Where are the juicy details?

    Where is the scandal?

    Seems like friends who fell out.

    • Millennial says:

      It’s weirdly non-specific. Like, not even a hint what the disagreement was about?

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Right. Either it’s complete bullshit/overblown (which wouldn’t be surprising considering it’s the British tabloids) or there’s more to the story that’s deliberately being left out. “Rural rivals” really doesn’t tell us anything on its own.

      • Becks1 says:

        The fact that it is a weird story – both specific and not specific at the same time – is what makes it so interesting to me and makes me think its true in general (i.e. Kate and William used to be really good friends with this couple and now they’re not anymore). I’m trying to think why the Mail would publish this story that doesn’t make Kate seem that great, when for the past year the Mail has been invested in building Kate up. This story makes me think that someone got ticked at Kate and went to the Mail with this, or something.

      • Tina says:

        This is a classic example of the Daily Mail/Mail on Sunday dichotomy. They are different papers, with very different editorial stances, including on the royals.

    • minx says:

      I’ve broken off from various friends over the years for various reasons. It happens.
      Love seeing both these dresses.

  6. Becks1 says:

    Oh I absolutely think that Kate likes her status as a duchess and the future Princess of Wales and then Queen. Isnt that part of what she waited for? I can see her wanting to be “queen bee” in a social set.

    As for the whole “phasing out” thing – of course its possible, but its also possible that their lives don’t intersect as much as they used to, and they just have grown apart because of that. It happens. Of course its also possible that this whole story is rubbish, lol.

    • Kittycat says:

      I personally think Kate waited because she wanted William.

      I really dont think she wanted the work associated with being in the royal family.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        I disagree, she wanted the status, title and wealth for herself and her family – she’s like William in that both are inheritantly lazy.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She and Carole wouldn’t have schemed, waited, and put up with public humiliation if he had been Billy the Plumber.

        “Now my problem with William on this is I think he likes Kate very much. I think he loves her, but I think even now he’s not in love with her. But he wants her there because the most important thing is he can trust her. I think the prize for Kate of being the Princess of Wales and then Queen, I think she will put up with anything that’s thrown at her.” – James Whitaker

      • Reese. says:

        No disrespect to the deceased but James friggin Whitaker?
        What do you think his take would be on MM?
        Racist ass hat that he was. Bloody hell. Quoting a friggin racist.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Whatever else he was, he was an insider for decades. His take on Kate was always interesting, as was his early friendship with Diana. Knew where the bodies were buried.

      • V says:

        @reese When the subject is Kate it’s fine to quote questionable statements or things coming from questionable people,use old stories from the daily mail as a gospel,the same daily mail that becomes authomatically #fakenews for someone else.. In some cases it’s not even clear which point is being proved.

      • Ira says:

        So according to Whitaker, Prince William loves and trust Kate. Is there anything else do you need in a relationship and more important than love and trust??
        I assume most of people in this site has been in long lasting relationship, are we always in love with our spouse/partner, after 5,10,25 years?? Is being in love is the reason why you want to live the rest of you life with your spouse/partner, or because you have been through your best and worst time together and you know you can trust him/her?

      • 90sgirl says:

        James Whitaker was one of the best Royal journalist of all time. He was usually the one man in the press telling what he had heard about trouble inside the Wales marriage , when the other Royal journalist , were reporting for years how Charles and Diana were a Fairytale golden couple.

        I think the story on Kate having a falling out with Rose is quite intriguing. Time may reveal what this is all about and by time I mean years.

        The story was reported originally in the Sun.

      • Reese. says:

        @ whatever else he was? He was a racist, classism scumbag. You don’t get a pass for being a racist piece of rubbish and perpetuating discrimination bc you’re dead. In today’s climate he wouldn’t be listened too or even be acknlowkeged. How about Cancel his racist arse and don’t quote his rubbish again for a start? He’s dead. Stop allowing his racist rhetoric to live on by reliving his name?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Yes, 90sgirl. He was the ultimate insider and knew more about royals than anyone else. His take on Charles, Diana, William, and Kate continue to be fascinating. If William has never been in love with Kate, that must be something Kate and Carole always keep in the back of their minds. That one day he will meet a person who will make leaving Kate his primary goal.

        This Rose story is interesting. As others have written, oddly specific story but not. Kate not being assigned the position of Queen Bee of the Turnip Toffs? Must steam her and Carole endlessly.

  7. Melly says:

    How would you know it’s lies? And how does it make them look bad?

    If you get offended by gossip, this is really the wrong place for you.

    • Becks1 says:

      Right? This could be a bunch of lies, or it could be 100% true. It’s gossip. This is a gossip site. It’s like people just realized that.

      • Lolly says:

        I don’t think anyone is offended, I think people are just pointing out the stupidity of this. Just like we do when Meghan is being called too bossy or being accused with feuding with friends/family.

      • Becks1 says:

        Never mind, the comment I was responding to disappeared.

  8. Digital Unicorn says:

    Stories about Kate and Pippsmean girdling and. Ullying anyone they saw as competition to her status as Williams go to/off on GF have been circulating since St Andrews. And yes there was stories about her grand behaviour toward her staff when she was first married.

    If they’ve fallen out it probably because Kate has felt threatened in some way by her, not that she and William are getting it on but something else. Maybe Kate was being usurped as Queen Bee in Norfolk or within their set.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Aargh, auto correct damn you.

    • BeanieBean says:

      But I think the Chumleys (easier spelling) have been in Norfolk far longer than W&K–Houghton Hall is a very old house so the lineage goes back a fair piece, possibly longer than the Windsors’ presence at Sandringham. I think that may bug Kate a bit–she wasn’t automatically at the top of their social circle.

  9. Becks1 says:

    Also, the phrase “rural rival” is hard to say for me lol and reminds me of Jane Krakowski on 30 Rock with the “rural juror” lol.

  10. Silas Marner says:

    Kate does not seem like a natural Queen Bee. She does not have a leader-type personality. But I also believe that she and William are very impressed with themselves and their titles so she may still want to feel like a leader.

    But William does whatever he wants so other than avoiding double dates, how can Kate phase them out?

    • BeanieBean says:

      Right. And how do you ‘phase’ people out of your life, anyway? I don’t understand what that even means.

      • Tina says:

        I’m pretty sure the DM means “faze out,” but that’s not a common phrase any longer (if it ever was)- they don’t mean that Kate is getting rid of Rose in stages, but that she wants to freeze her out.

      • BeanieBean says:

        Ah. That’s not a term I’m familiar with.

      • Tina says:

        Don’t ever worry about not being familiar with the gobbledegook the DM passes off as English!

  11. Basi says:

    Supposedly William and Rose are having an affair.
    It has to be something big.

    • jeanne says:

      are you just getting that from the article or have you heard that in the past?

      • Basi says:

        It is all speculation of course. It’s based on assumption that if article is true, it has to be something BIG. Like Rose leaking info to press or having caught Williams eye to a full blown affair. I have seen other commenters allude to affair on this site and elsewhere. It’s not out of the question given people cheat all the time… his upbringing, his position, and rumors in past (photos at ski resort of him with another woman in compromising position, etc…)

    • Citresse says:

      Normal Bill got tired of girly twee and wanted a rich in every way Woman, this is it!

    • SQ says:

      They dated when they were younger.

  12. CROWHOOD says:

    Well the rural rival has an amazing dress on!

  13. sarphati says:

    I’m totally getting the affair vibe with this. Just look at the photo of William side eyeing past Kate to his Hostess. If true, good for you Kate!

    • Tanguerita says:

      I am sorry, but he is “side-eyeing” both Kate and the Hostess.

    • Svea says:

      Kate and William are both sideeyeing something past the hostess to something out of camera view. In some versions of this shot you see a person there who looks oddly attired only you can’t quite make out what is going on.

    • Agenbiter says:

      Top pic he’s carefully looking away from Rose in a safe direction. What more proof is needed?

  14. Skylark says:

    It’s over chutney. Kate prides herself on being Keen Queen of Chutney within her set and Rose has just launched her own homemade Cholmondeley Chutney which Will, unwisely within Kate’s hearing, declared to be much fruitier and tastier. #chutneywars

    • Lesanne says:

      Tee hee hee, chutney it is.
      Doubtful William would boink such an underwhelming type. Perhaps something to do with the children. It all really comes down to money, sex and children on personal levels.

    • Hoopjumper says:

      I want this to be true very, very badly.

    • Skylark says:

      I want it to be true too. It’s so much more interesting than the lame ‘affair’ spin the tabloids will put on it. Rural folk are highly competitive of their (chutney-making) place in their world and very protective of their position as top chutnier, and woe betide a liberty-taking usurper who comes along with a better, frutier, tastier chutney, particularly one that the insensitive and frankly careless husband of the established top chutnier speaks kindly of, within the ear-range of the established top chutnier, at the expense of the established top chutnier!!

      Wars were started for less than this. ;)

    • Spicecake38 says:

      You solved the mystery

  15. Svea says:

    Female friendships are so important yet also so difficult and complex at times. I find negotiating my female friendships to be much more difficult than one with a man. The nuances and sensitivities of each personality come into play and rivalry, albeit subtle, is very real. Saw a friend yesterday and have realized that every time I see her she snaps at me in quick anger for something. And the power politics of who is alpha! That is not to say there isn’t support, listening, and caring too. I think the negative side is from thousands of years of being subjugated. Anyway, sometimes feelings are hurt and you want to put some distance between you. Othertimes you might need to make a full break. It can’t be easy for Kate or any RF family member to be friends with anyone because how can you be open and trusting with who you really are?

    • WingKingdom says:

      I agree that female friendships can be surprisingly difficult. I just lost a close friend and it baffles me, because we were so close for so long. She had started lashing out at me when she was upset about other people and other situations, and I just couldn’t go on like that. It felt the way bad boyfriends have treated me. I communicated clearly about it and everything. What you say about someone being the alpha kind of strikes me, because I am very passive and non confrontational, and I guess I spoke up about something and she didn’t like it.

      • Svea says:

        I truly relate to your experience. And I have learned that even when we make the decision that it is for our best to let someone go, there is still a type of mourning process because there were reasons for the relationship and shared experiences. It’s been important to me to feel the loss (doesn’t have to be long and drawn out) and not skip over that step. Then the world opens up and new, usually healthier women arrive. Also sometimes with longterm friends, just a break is needed. I’ve had breaks of years after which friends and I have come back together with fresher perspectives.

      • Spicecake38 says:

        Yes @ wing- if/when someone speaks up to an alpha It throws them off,and I’ve done this in the past-going from quiet friend to speaking up because I’m needing to say my part,and they suddenly think YOU are the mean one because you never spoke up before.

    • shirurusu says:

      I totally agree with this, I’m on a break from a female friend I’ve been close to for over 20 years and it really hurts! She started lashing out at me a few years ago, criticising the way I live (I’ve chosen to be single instead of having a boyfriend/ starting a family like she did) and eventually I just didn’t want to hang out with her anymore, there was too much negativity going on. She was also always quite domineering and a pretty demanding friend, asking quite a lot of support/ sisterhood from me that I didn’t always have time for with a busy career. It was probably for the best but I still miss her and wish that women could cut each other some slack more often in friendship. I find some women more than men just demand so much of their friendships and it’s hard to live up to!

    • Laverdadduele says:

      This hits really close about female friendships. So fragile sometimes when I see my husband being a lazier friend and keep the friendships intact \_○_/

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I really do not believe for one send that Cathy Cambridge and Rose Chumley were that great of friends. I think they were more just friendly neighbors who knew all about each other.

  16. Yawn says:

    They floated this story months ago, but there were no takers. If they had ever written articles about these two being close, it may have been more believable that they are rivals who now hate each other. What is this, the beginning of Midsomer Murders? “The future queen consort hates the younger, richer, more independent bride. Jealous of her natual hostess abilities, Waity Katie kills the rich husband, the dog, and the post man, before Barnaby swoops in on Will’s rescue chopper to arrest an hysterical Kate who, destraught by the Evil Meghan’s bullying, has finally come to kill off Rose.” Oboe and theramin play a royal march for the closing credits.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      “If they had ever written articles about these two being close, it may have been more believable that they are rivals who now hate each other.”

      They actually did, when the pictures in this post were taken a few years ago.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @Yawn, I have seen every episode of Midsomer and not a single episode is as good as yours!

  17. TheOriginalMia says:

    According to a poster on TRF, Kate has too much class to be petty with her neighbor. That gave me a chuckle. She must have missed all of the gossip about Kate lording her status over William’s other female friends and cousins. This story is sparse on the details which makes me think it’s probably true. Rose either has caught William’s eye or she’s far more popular than the future QC and that’s not acceptable. Especially when Kate has to put up with the DoS’s popularity as well.

  18. Sharon Lea says:

    We have been told the British press has been told to give William & Kate deferential treatment by the press, as they are in line to the British throne etc. Is this why the reason their falling out is so vague? Does Rose have a lot more friends or is she too friendly with William?

  19. Riemc526 says:

    Came here to say that I first read “country bolthole” as “country butthole” and did a double take. That’s all I got.

  20. Becks1 says:

    Okay I went and read the actual article in the Sun, and it IS weird. It starts off talking about how Kate wants to be the Queen Bee, and then ends by slamming Meghan.

    • Silas Marner says:

      Perhaps before submitting the story, they asked themselves if they had left anything out and remembered to include an insult for Meghan.

    • Lily says:

      Of course.

    • bonobochick says:

      Lol, of course it did, Becks1. They have to stay on racist brand with potshots at the DoS.

    • Olenna says:

      Slamming Meghan, hmmm. Maybe that was point of running this story all along for the second time. Slow news week and it didn’t gain any traction the first time. So, they throw Meghan’s name out there, knowing the ignorant masses will do their own “math”, like bad news about Kate equals Meghan’s trying to make her look bad. Personally, I don’t think there’s much behind the story other than it’s a popularity contest. I bet the marchioness throws some bomb-azz soirees and charity luncheons, and KM doesn’t seem like she’d be a fun or interesting hostess.

  21. Patty says:

    I’m not going to smear another woman by insinuating that Rose is having an affair with bland ass William. Also, while some may experience difficulties with female friendship; that’s not the case for everyone. Not all female friendships are difficult, hard, or complex. It’s more about the people and the personalities.

    • Sunnee says:

      True , Patty. True. Not slamming Rose. Why would she even want unsexy, basic Bill? please! Rose looks a little like Anne Hathaway doesn’t she?

    • Sash says:

      Same. Maybe they just fell out over something between them. It happens.

  22. Silas Marner says:

    Are the Sun and the Rupert Murdoch owned tabloids rivals? Page Six is now very pro William and Kate but not pro Harry and Meghan. Could this be a reason for this story resurfacing?

    • Tina says:

      Sorry, I don’t understand. The Sun is owned by Rupert Murdoch, but the Mail is not. Both the Murdoch media and the Mail are much more pro-Kate and William than they are pro-Meghan and Harry. (If the Murdoch-owned NY Post is involved at all, I’m pretty sure that it picked the story up straight from the Sun).

      • Silas Marner says:

        Is the Sun pushing this story because William and Kate worked out an arrangement with Page Six and the Daily Mail but not with The Sun?

      • Tina says:

        I doubt it. Both Page Six and the Mail on Sunday picked the story up from the Sun straight away.

  23. Marina Alig says:

    Shady,amazing and right on time to deflect the attention away from other…issues.I keep wondering who are these “friends” who leaked the story???

  24. Lexa says:

    My read on this is that Rose wants publicity (having been a bit of a girl out there on the scene in her younger years), or she talked when she wasn’t supposed to about something. She could have just as easily talked about Kate behind her back and Kate found out. Lots of different options, but it seems to be coming from a pro-Rose source.

  25. Mego says:

    Real Housewives of Norfolk

  26. boz says:

    Meanwhile, Meghan is getting her popcorn…

    Also, Rose Hanbury is totally in Kate’s lane. She, too, is tall, lean, and possessed of long chestnut locks. AND Rose’s husband is rich as Croesus AND has the last name Rocksavage AND still has all his hair. Really, who can blame Kate for getting a little jelly?

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @ Meanwhile, Rose’s husband’s last name is actually Cholmondeley. Cholmondeley is actually the family name. Before Rose’s husband became the Marquess of Cholmondeley, he was the Earl Rocksavage. When he was making films 20 years ago, pre 1999, he went by the name David Rocksavage. Johnny Bute was Johnny Dumfries before he became the Marquess of Bute.

  27. angie says:

    I like gossip as much as the next person, but when it comes to the royal family I always remember that their policy of never commenting on mean stories makes them sitting ducks for anyone who wants to take potshots at them. I believe that this story is either bogus or wildly exaggerated. To me the interesting thing to speculate about is the identity of the gossipmonger.

  28. LizB says:

    My god, she has worse posture than Kate !

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Right; and given her features, that woman was a model?

      • Heather says:

        Was she a print model or a runway model? If she was a runway model, being tall and lean and able to walk without falling is usually enough.

    • minx says:

      I know, and you can see how Kate’s posture has deteriorated even more since this pic was taken. Stand up straight ladies!

  29. Beech says:

    MM is on maternity leave, yes? Things are too quiet DM has to come up with something, right?

  30. Weaver says:

    I smell an affair. Maybe Will was getting too chummy with this chick.

  31. Alexandria says:

    I just feel that this generation of royals has lesser scandals so the press just want to create a lot of noise. Back in the day, can you imagine, 3 of the royals got divorced and then you have the popularity of Diana and then desperate Fergie comes along for the ride. Even Sophie and Edward had one major scandal. Yeah I’ve heard stories about William and Kate but I don’t really think they will divorce. I wouldn’t be surprised but they don’t really give me the fighting or estranged vibes, at least for now.

  32. Busyann says:

    Why do these people all have such bad posture?

  33. Beech says:

    A tiff between friends, it happens. I’m interested in the Jeffrey Epstein case, documents to be unsealed and a request from an unnamed party that sealed documents remain so, hmmm.

    • Bubbly Cloud says:


      The Young Turks interviewed a lawyer and advocate on the Epstein case. Watch it on youtube. It was interesting. I’m hooked.

  34. Emby says:

    Wow. British aristocracy does not age well.

    • Ader says:

      I laughed. And agree!

      True fact: British royals make a deal with the reptile devil before slithering their way to this world. (It’s true. I read it in News of the World, the authority on all reptile-humans…royals, Bat-Boy, etc….) Down there, it’s known as “The Royal Restriction.” Blood royals agree to forgo any inherent pulchritudinous advantage from the jump. The ones who marry in all start out gorgeous, but agree to a rough aging process. :-) I mean, look at Prince Phillip! Are we SURE he’s not the spawn of Gollum and a Gringot’s goblin? Yeah, yeah…90-something…but I’ve seen 110-year-olds who put him to shame! :-)

      The only wildcard is Cams, my personal fav. She doesn’t fit the mold. Homegirl is getting better looking with age. However…she has been vilified by a large chunk of the world for several decades…so, ya know, a definite downside.

  35. aquarius64 says:

    Comments on the Fail are hilarious . They claim Meghan’s PR team is behind the story. If this were true my guess is William is getting the seven year itch again (remember ski trip and randoms on Commonwealth Day 2017) and Rose was allowed to scratch and it got back to Kate. Whether William was following “tradition” that a monarch or future monarch is entitled to a mistress who knows; but I can see Kate feeling threatened. From Charles and Diana’s marriage Kate has seen being the mother of a future king is no guarantee she will become queen consort; and divorce on the grounds of adultery will not cost William the throne. When Charles ascends and there is no serious blowback for Camilla to be crowned queen consort may be a cause for concern. The succession is secure with the Cambridge kids and Harry and Baby Sussex. And it seems like if there were a divorce that Norfolk crowd would not return Kate’s calls.

    • Gemima says:

      @Aquarius, claims that the Cambridges are behind the Meghan smears is also hilarious. Especially when stated in a very confident and insidery manner.

      • Milla says:

        It goes both ways. No way Kate or Will would talk to the press about Meg and Harry. They lived with Diana, Will was her bff basically.
        In numbers, wk are more popular while h is the most popular royal, so they have good connection to the people. Leaks come from less desirable members who need to look better. Andrew and Charles, who are btw brothers but seems more like mortal enemies. If both turned on each other why not turn on h and w?

    • Linda says:

      Fan fiction at its finest 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  36. Joja says:

    I am not surprise.Looks like since meghan’s Royal the daily mail stopped to report about William and Kate the “workshy and the do little”.
    They try make us hate Meghan and pity the poor kate.I don’t buy it.::

  37. AprilMay says:

    Beatrice, Eugenie, Meghan and now this Marchioness. Dropped all her friends that weren’t already in William’s set. Not inviting Sam Branson’s wife to her wedding but inviting the local shopkeepers/butchers/publicans who straight up said they didn’t know her or William. And thats just the ones that have made the press. Quite the pattern.

    • Wowsers says:

      She dropped all her friends from Malborough eh? Funny, many of them are godparents.

    • Ira says:

      1. Maybe those butchers, shopkeepers are people from their village. Kate and Will probably don’t know them but Carole and Michael interact with them on daily or weekly basis. I don’t know half people at my wedding, they’re either my parents or in-laws’ guests.
      2. Beatrice, Eugene, maybe they’re not friends to begin with. 5-7 years age gap is huge when you’re in your teen or 20s. I’m not sure Kate and Meghan were also friends to begin with, so how could she drop her.
      3. Maybe you should ask William why he didn’t invite Sam Brandon’s wife. She’s allegedly his ex, not Kate’s. He did invite all of his exes, from Jecca to that lady who works for Gucci (or YSL? I don’t remember), but why he left Sam Brandon’s wife out from the guest list.

  38. ChiaMom says:

    Legit worried about you ladies hope everyone’s ok. And the header photo encapsulates the problem Kate’s having IMHO

  39. Bubbly Cloud says:

    Who leaked this information? Kate has been so private since marrying William I have a hard time believing it is she. Also Kate doesn’t benefit from having this story out there and the times she conspired with the press like when William broke up with her she benefited from the coverage. For example Kate and Pippa on the town after William’s “I’m freee!” Any thoughts?

  40. aquarius64 says:

    The tabloids are chasing down the marchioness’ parents of all people. They said no comment. The tabloids got a whiff of something.

  41. Mego says:

    Top article on the fail is Richard Kay defending Kate as a victim of gossip in aristocratic circles. Carole must have put in a call.

    • Ira says:

      What does Richard Kay or other royal reporter get from Carole? Is Carole that powerful so she can just pick up phone and dictate RRs?

      • 90sgirl says:

        Carole just gave a interview to him about the business and yes a Royal reporter would take any call from Carole. Yes they would.

      • Mego says:

        Carole is purportedly friends with the top guy at the Fail too.

  42. vava says:

    If I was this woman, the wife of the guy with the great name, I wouldn’t care less about Katie Cambridge, and certainly not her unattractive and vile hubby, Willy. To have to host those two for a fundraiser for charity was an ultimate sacrifice, if you ask me. LOL

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Is this just me or do my fellow poster also pick up the the vibe that when Bill & Cathy Cambridge are attending official engagements they always look like they would rather be home alone picking lint out of their belly buttons?

  43. guest says:

    Oh dont worry Richard kay came out with an article that pretty much paints kate as a victim and get this trashed harry and Meghan at the same time.

    I dont know about this but some on Twitter think there might by some tea about this whole thing. Maybe we will get lucky and that it comes out, grab your popcorn for that 🍿

    • Kittycat says:

      Right on schedule as always

    • Mego says:

      I would like to punch Kay in the face. That he is in Carole’s pocket or influenced by her is so transparent it’s laughable. That said a falling out between Kate and this other woman is a big so what to me. True or untrue, don’t care.

      • guest says:

        Kay went over board in his brown nosing of the cambridges. The orginal article wasn’t that big of deal. So the wives had a falling out. Big whoop. But now Kay’s lovefest article to paint kate as the victim and perfect royal wife/future consort (not to mention drag harry and meghan is something that had nothing to do with them) has me questioning more.

    • Nic919 says:

      These vague threats about lawsuits when so far the stories have been about a turnip toff falling out? The more articles come out the more it looks like something more substantial is being hidden here.

      And Richard Kay saying that Kate and William are perfect while slagging Meghan is just so unnecessary. Meghan’s not the one fighting with her neighbours, Kate is. Allegedly. For reasons unknown but enough to lead to several articles about “nothing”.

      • 90sgirl says:

        I think someone is Cambridge world is obviously worried and playing damage control.

        RKay inserting Sussex in the article was truly bewildering.

  44. oddly says:

    OK ladies (and gentlemen if there are some here)…….

    The Norfolk gossip is that Rose is chatty and has been indiscreet, spilling the tea, no one is sure what tea and to whom, possibly to someone from the media and it got back to Kate and Kate flipped. Quite a few Talter employees run on the fringes of the Turnip Toffs.

    My info comes from a former London flat mate who is besties with a Kensington Palace minion.

    • Va Va Kaboom says:

      Hmmm, well if the bit about William playing peacemaker is false then this is possible. But the reason Kate is so careful with acquaintances is because William is notorious for culling anyone who talks. So if Rose is actually “chatty” then he’s probably spearheading the ostracizing, not Kate.

  45. Silas Marner says:

    Richard Kay’s over-the-top denial makes me think of the extensions denial and Party Pieces recent pr. Something is going on behind the scenes and there may be some truth here after all.

    Richard Kay did not write that response out of the goodness of his heart and it doesn’t look good that he bashed Meghan and Harry to complement William and Kate. The person who asked him to write this does not care about Meghan and Harry.

  46. Princessk says:

    Yes, the way in which Kay is disparaging Harry and Meghan to make W&K look good is despicable. I smell the hand of the Middleton’s in this and it will backfire spectacularly. I don’t know why after decades Kay is so willing to revise his role as chief royal sh*t stirrer.

    • Mego says:

      Kay took a really cheap shot at Harry in the article. More evidence of the Cambridge tactic of throwing him under the bus to prop themselves up.

  47. Busyann says:

    Maybe after all those years of being put on a glowing pedestal, the truth about Kate is coming out? Im not saying that this should be believed, but it could be equally true that Kate isnt this perfect, do-no wrong, future queen.

  48. Nikki says:

    What Skipper said earlier in this thread: we have absolutely no way of knowing why they fell out, so everything we come up with is strictly conjecture. Kate may have had a legitimate reason that has nothing to do with our guesses.

  49. Stacy says:

    Is it just me, or does Rose Hanbury look exactly like Alyssa Edwards sans makeup?

  50. AnotherDirtyMartini says:


  51. Beach Dreams says:

    Oh please. Months ago a LOT of people on this site were happily buying into all of the negative Meghan gossip last fall. It was only after several weeks of negative stories that people started to be skeptical. Even before that, many posters were talking about Meghan trying to “stand out too much” or “do things too differently”. They couldn’t even say what exactly she was supposedly doing “wrong”, but the tabloids’ constant “breaking protocol” articles certainly influenced their thinking.

  52. bonobochick says:


  53. Lady D says:

    Losing readers? How, pray tell, would you know this?