People: Prince Harry was ‘angry & hurt’ when William told him to ‘slow down’ with Meg


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As we discussed previously, People Magazine’s cover story this week is about Prince William and Harry’s rift, and how the brothers aren’t currently BFFs. This has been the heart of it for about a year: William and Harry are feuding, not Meghan and Kate. To be clear, I think Kate has been happy enough to throw Meghan under the bus and Kate loves how she’s seen as the “perfect duchess” right now, but the big feud was always between the brothers. And People’s sources are saying what the British tabloid’s sources have said for a while: that William told Harry to slow down with Meghan and Harry got mad about it.

Harry, who leads with his instincts, sees his older brother as being hemmed in by protocol as the future monarch, sources tell PEOPLE in this week’s issue. Their different approach to life was also evident as Harry’s relationship with Meghan Markle grew more serious. Multiple sources tell PEOPLE that tensions between the brothers deepened back when Harry first told his family he wanted to marry Meghan after less than a year of dating.

An insider says William, who dated college sweetheart Kate Middleton for about eight years before tying the knot, cautioned Harry that things were moving too quickly, leaving Harry angry and hurt. The idea that William and Kate were unfriendly to Meghan, though, doesn’t “sound like them,” says a friend of both brothers.

Outside of formal appearances, Prince William and Prince Harry don’t spend much time together and have separate groups of friends. “They are at very different situations in their lives,” says a close family friend.

As Meghan was preparing for her wedding in May, she was also learning the ropes of royal life.

“Harry is very protective and quite rightly so,” says a household source. “The Royal Household can be like that. It must be a real culture shock for her.”

[From People]

“An insider says William…cautioned Harry that things were moving too quickly, leaving Harry angry and hurt.” Yeah, I think that’s what William wants us to think is at the root of this, but I doubt it. Game it out: yes, Harry was probably hurt and upset that William wasn’t on-board for Meghan right away. But I think Harry and William were able to generally get over it, especially by the wedding preparation and the actual wedding. They seemed to have generally buried that hatchet. So what changed after Meghan and Harry’s wedding? I think it was it as simple as Harry developing new interests and new ideas and wanting to build his own “brand” with Meghan. Plus, William saw how popular Meghan and Harry were on their South Pacific Tour and it freaked William out. That’s when all of this sh-t really started. The reason why William and Harry are STILL not in great shape is because Harry knows William is partially behind the smearing of Meghan.

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128 Responses to “People: Prince Harry was ‘angry & hurt’ when William told him to ‘slow down’ with Meg”

  1. JadedBrit says:

    Hmmm. Much better to keep a young woman as a doormat for nearly a decade, on hand and barely working lest she should be summoned by the Prince while he philandered, broke up with her (“I’m freeeeeeee!!! “), and pursued various mesalliances, all the while considering what other women might be more suitable to the role? I do hope that Kaiser Bill isn’t part of any charity that deals with misogyny, because he epitomises it.

    • Chrissy says:

      Exactly my thoughts! Who care what Bill Middleton thinks?

    • Dee says:

      I DO NOT GET IT! Please explain to me American commenters how you can vilify Kate for being “waity”, constantly discuss her weight, hair and makeup (General consensus- she is disgusting and should be killed with her many buttons) yet put Meghan on this pedestal! When she spent 500,000💶 ???? On bespoke clothing she will never wear again??
      Someone please explain this to me..

      • Snappyfish says:

        If my younger brother started dating an older woman who had been previously divorced and began talking marriage within a year I would say something to him too. Are you sure? Why the rush? Neither of our bottoms are anywhere near a royal settee. I think any sibling would be concerned. I think this is all media BS to sell magazines. Their lives are on different trajectories. Too much is being made. The need to pit the duchesses (& dukes) against each other is tiresome.

      • MsIam says:

        @Dee, you’re joking right? Who is vilifying Kate? All we hear is English Rose, Future Queen, perfect mother, etcetera. If anyone is vilified its William. There is no comparison to what has happened to Meghan and for what? Now she is being blamed for a dispute over parking which I’m sure is at the top of her mind while getting ready to have a baby! And as for the clothing, all those figures are estimated but you sure are willing to take it as truth. Plus it includes jewelry which, why wouldn’t that be worn again? Why can’t a lot of those clothes be altered? How do you know they won’t be? Finally, all those purchases were approved by Prince Charles. So be mad at him if you think the clothes cost too much.

  2. Toot says:

    Yeah, the falling out is because of what happened to Meghan after the tour.

    Harry knows how things go down with the reporters and Kensington, so he knew the attack was from within.

    All the stories about tiaras, making Kate cry, Meghan being difficult didn’t start until after the tour. What a coincidence.

    • Kebbie says:

      I just can’t see Harry knowing William was behind all this and still being willing to be seen with him in public. If William is behind the Meghan stuff, then Harry is behind the Rose stuff. That’s the only way I could see Harry tolerating William, is if he got his revenge.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Harry has been used by Charles and William for PR for years. For years he put up with it, but it appears he’s grown beyond that and will not suffer it for himself or Meghan.

      • Mash says:

        right….i always laugh with my fiance like he knows im vindictive …never towards him but anyone who has ever crossed us…and i can wait and be patient…so if i were harry i would have STRUCK lol

        looks like he did

    • norah says:

      william doesnt like meghan and it shows – look at them during the christmas stroll when he didnt even want to look at her in the face. the smearing happened after the tour so yeah it props up william and kate big time

  3. elimaeby says:

    William is really the one looking like a horse’s ass in all of this, imho. Kate is imperfect, but she seems like type to follow her husband’s every whim. This whole thing reeks of his ego.

    • norah says:

      kate has been a doormat for a decade and i doubt she would do anything to speak up for either harry or meghan. what a pity. harry always was very kind and affectionate and supportive to kate esp but she cant return the favour?

  4. WineGrrl says:

    Before Harry married, I always thought he looked like a “third wheel” at appearances with William and Kate. It seemed like they benefited from his genial charm and warmth, which is something they appear to lack.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      W&K are both devoid of empathy which Harry has in buckets. He always made them look and both are now pissy they are losing their fall guy who is fighting back against their games and drama.

      • urnuts says:

        Are you really calling them sociopaths? C’mon get back to reality.

      • Cady says:

        “W&K are both devoid of empathy”

        Um, do you know them personally or something?

      • notasugarhere says:

        “Oh how interesting” – Kate’s comment when a child in India told her they had been deliberately maimed in order to make more money begging. What kind of person says that? Honestly.

      • KEEKS says:

        why don’t you all calm down. if digital unicorn has an opinion, she is entitlted to it. it’s quite evident through the lens of a camera that they lack personality. so calm it down caroles.

      • ShazBot says:

        It’s really not all that uncommon for people who have lead sheltered, pampered, privileged lives to lack empathy. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re bad people, and of course can recognize sad things, but still can’t manage to really engage with the experiences of people who aren’t like them, and they’ve never bothered to spend much time thinking about it.
        I know several people like this. They’re nice people, but when it comes down to it, other people’s problems are just so uninteresting to them and they tune out.

      • Marr says:

        @nota
        THIS right here! If my opinion of W&K had been whatever before that comment, after it they were both dead to me.

    • Kebbie says:

      Harry definitely got all the charm in that family.

      • TabithaStevens says:

        The Nazi uniform, the drunken clubbing escapades, the nude pool game in Vegas – just charming.

      • Lady D says:

        Weren’t the drunk clubbing escapades etc., all ten years ago or more? Hasn’t he completed at least two, if not three tours of duty in Afghanistan since those days? Ditto Invictus, Sentebale, mental health initiatives, etc? Is it just Harry who is going to get dragged forever for the actions of a decade ago or more?

    • Melly says:

      On several occasions when they made appearances, especially early in W&K’s marriage, Harry would be the one who seemed to be so friendly and kind to Kate. Will would sometimes seem to ignore her. It’s really sad that W&K aren’t repaying that kindness to Harry with Meghan.

      • WineGrrl says:

        I remember that too. In some of the photos, it looked like Harry was able to make Kate genuinely smile. I think Harry inherited Diana’s charisma, and then some. Of course, I don’t know these people.

      • Lilly (with the double-L) says:

        I remember that too; Harry seemed so happy to have a sister and was very kind to Kate.

    • windyriver says:

      Yes, Harry had projects of his own before he met Meghan, but he did appear to be just a third wheel behind W&K.

      I think the problem is Harry’s marriage to Meghan and more public emergence as someone with interests and initiatives has screwed up William’s plan to “redefine the monarchy” as private life with benefits. Harry’s now pulled away from that, and W&K are exposed as people with no real interests, and no follow through.

      I feel somewhat sorry for W&K, but their choice. They had years to grow in their role and make their mark, and wasted it.

    • dogmom says:

      I misread that as they benefited from Harry’s genital charm and warmth! 😂😂😂😂😂

      • Feeshalori says:

        Dogmom, I assume you mean genial, not genital. Harry would really be spreading his, umm, charms around! ;)

      • Lucia says:

        Nope. Dogmom got it right the first time, lol. Ladies love him a reason anyways. ;-)

  5. jan90067 says:

    William is more his father’s son than he’d like to admit. But even he has to know that the more “damage” done to Meg, the more “damage” is done to the BRF. He *has* to know it’s NOT making him/them look better.

    I personally think ALL of this &^%$! that Meg is going through is a result of plain “ol’ boy” racism, xenophobia, and a heaping helping of “SHE’S AN AMERICAN, DARING TO BE “ONE OF US-ism”. I love my Brits, but there is SO MUCH snobbism/classism, add Meg’s biracial heritage into it and BOOM! Here we are.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      I also think seeing how unbelievably *trashy* the Markle side of the family is must make it hard for some of the snobby courtiers to really respect her. If you imagine how “classist” these people are and then also think of the fact the almost no working class families in the UK would dream of sinking to the depths the Markles have…….it would make her seem even lower than working class to them.

      And then of course, if your own family can treat you so abominably, it gives cover to all the other abusers out there to go to town.

      I actually think they (Markles) did the most damage to her in general.

      • topsy says:

        There’s nothing quite so classy as a family where one of the sons is a close friend of a pedophile. Megan’s tacky family makes her a perfect fit with the royals. And her classy mother gives her the opportunity to hold her head high because she at least one relative that isn’t an embarrassment.

      • Yoyo says:

        I agree with you the damaged that tom, Scammy and Jr. did to Meghan is unforgivable.
        Thomas is waiting for a paycheck, and he will never change, Meghan need to get on with her life.

      • PrincessK says:

        Well I think that the Middleton’s are just a more upmarket version of the Markles, Mum, Dad, brother and sister have profited enormously from royal connections, the difference is that the Middleton’s are ‘clever’ and the Markles are ‘dumb’ when it comes to trying to make money out of royal connections. They should have got advice from Carole on how to benefit when your relative joins the RF.

      • phaedra says:

        I agree. In their particular and bizarre form of classicism, it’s only slightly embarrassing to be accused of, oh say, one third of the things Andrew’s been accused of. But in this world the truly unforgivable crime is talking to the tabloids like Trashy Thomas Markle. Thomas is vile, of course, but Andrew is just as bad if not worse. But hey, at least Andrew has “class!”

    • Betsy says:

      I don’t know if will is racist. If he is, I think it’s just the cherry on his s#it sundae. I think anyone who shows him up, who makes him feel unpopular, who shows what a terrible Royal he is, is going to get attacked. If that!s his brother or his sister in law, then I do not think he cares.

    • norah says:

      first of all william is not like charles – yes charles is not perfect but he has always been a very hardworking and accomplished man – william is simply lazy and has shown that for years. the difference is that harry and meghan are overshadowing william and kate so completely that the smearing is there to pull the latter down. like i said charles isnt perfect but he isnt a fool either -

  6. Maria says:

    Not sure we can blame everything on Kate and William. They’re all strong personalities and have different opinions. Not everything that Meghan gets criticized for is Kate ” throwing her under the bus”. She generates plenty of publicity on her own, and some of it is negative. Like her spending.

    • Enn says:

      No, W&K are the masterminds behind all of it. They’re evil geniuses.

      • Mego says:

        Good heavens no! William and Kate are in no way geniuses. If anything their evil doings are hamfisted and obvious via the inept Jason. Or Carole.

    • Lady D says:

      Imagine if Kate ever told the truth about the price of her ‘bespoke’ clothing, or the cost of buying the same dresses in 6 varying shades of the same colour, or what she costs the taxpayer with all her little holidays to some of the most expensive places in the world, or even the amount of holidays she takes. I bet the total price is astronomical. Just once, I’d like Kate to be honest about what she alone costs the throne each year.
      It seems the comment I was replying to is gone.
      (I miss LAK and Sixer)

    • Melly says:

      Definitely not everything can be blamed on Kate & Will, but I think a lot of it can be blamed on them. I think royal reporters feel more comfortable tearing Meghan to shreds because of the wink & nod given to them by W&K.

      • Betsy says:

        Yep. They know which side their bread is buttered on. In no world would they be attacking unless it had the tacit blessing of someone fairly big, and TQ and Chuck went out of their way to extend the welcome to Meghan, so it’s not coming from them.

    • norah says:

      why is it that when meghan wears something there is always a problem? she wore black polish or a sleeveless dress and it was considered a breach of royal protocol but when kate wore something from gucci or has done the exact same thing nobody says anything except how great kate looks etc. when kate disappears for months between engagements when she has her kids nobody says anything but if meghan is away for less than 2 weeks it is always negative?

  7. wendywoo says:

    It makes sense. Harry didn’t get wholehearted support for his choice of a spouse from someone- a trusted sibling, no less- he later found out was hypocritically having an affair; an affair the sibling then traded disparaging info of said choice-of-spouse in return for media silence on the affair.

    They were SO close as brothers. Something BIG went down.

    • Toot says:

      The only reason I disagree with the fall being because Will said slow down is because right before the wedding the brothers still seemed close. Especially at the wedding. Now, the barely interact when together.

      • Erinn says:

        I wonder if he said something about her crazy ‘family’, and it upset H&M. I mean, we’re talking crap about them because they’re insane. But even when you agree with that, it still hurts to see people you’re stuck being associated with trashed in a way.

        I agree though – things seemed at least LESS tense pre-wedding. So who knows.

      • wendywoo says:

        Absolutely. But the wedding might have been *before* he found out about Will’s affair.

        Hearing “Are you sure?” when you joyfully announce that you intend to propose is hard enough [this is excluding worrying that the response has to do with the fact it’s the British (see: white) royal family with HISTORY when it comes to divorcees, and an actress, which not long ago was synonymous with prostitute (I’m a professional actress myself and take no pleasure in saying that)]. But when you find out you were lied to as well…

        So often with family conflict it’s a confluence of events and retrospective context- “you mean, you said “”Hey, let me give you authoritative marriage advice- I don’t think she’s the girl for you”” while you were having an affair (like our father, whom you know humiliated her)?”

        I know this sounds like Windsor fan-fic but something this big has to be more than “remember that one time you told me to slow down…”

      • Anon says:

        It was a series of arguments and spats over “staff responsibilities,” budgets and unaligned “vision” during and after the Pacific tour. H+W were on the road for work and had expectations, while the Cambridges were stuck in London with ribbon cuttings that no one picked up. But, honestly, if I were their COS (chief of staff), I would have sat them both down, mano a mano, and just said, “Listen. What’s this *really* about?” Let’s face it: It’s because Harry has always been the favorite. And what better way to bring all of those issues to the surface than a wedding and a baby and a massive tour that was a global sensation? It’s no more scientific or psychological than that.

        As for the staff, they’ve been stuck in the middle of open, internecine warfare since the engagement was announced, with competing egos, priorities and agendas. Eventually, the staff was given a choice: Stay with the Cambridges or go with H+W? Seriously? Are you really going to tell the future King of England that you’re bouncing for greener pastures? Hence, they quit altogether. Them bolting wasn’t necessarily because of “Meghan,” it was career preservation. I’m fairly certain that Wills has had no problem flexing his “I’m the future King of England and I get priority” in dealing with everyone. He’s known to be a bit of a jackass at work, so no surprise there.

    • PrincessK says:

      It is just plain jealousy from William. Harry has always been more popular, because he is kind, and engaging and is not afraid to make people feel at ease. I have watched Harry do this and it is amazing.

      There was one little boy he met who had learning difficulties and nervous movements, the other royals just smiled and moved on. Harry grabbed his hand in a firm but warm way which calmed the boy down immediately. It was a bit awesome to see.

      Also Harry is deeply in love with Meghan, and William probably loves Kate but he just decided to make do with her. I felt a bit sorry for Kate when during their engagement interview when she said it hurt her when he dumped her.

  8. Anon says:

    Yes to all of this, but there are other factors to consider: The Middletons (Hi Carole!) and their WhatsApp accounts, and let’s not forget the Yorks, who are still practically begging for relevancy (and income). All of them have been outshone and are pea green with envy. All of them have a lot of scores to settle, both current and ancient. Again, as I said last week, it’s no accident that William’s side hustle was leaked on purpose, even though errybody was clutching their pearls and gasping that it just couldn’t be! Harry didn’t do the leaking, but let’s just say there are background players who made it happen.

    That was payback, my friends, for his hypocrisy. #icalledit

    • wendywoo says:

      I defer to your assessment and look forward to reading further astute comments from you on this matter.
      Kind Regards,
      Wendy.

    • norah says:

      carole middleton and the yorks esp andrew and sarah are definitely jealous – esp carole who is very close to william

  9. Case says:

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m finding this whole storyline exhausting and repetitive at this point. Clearly the brothers had a falling out of sorts and aren’t on the best of terms at the moment. All specific details beyond that, I feel, are celebrity journalists testing out their creative writing skills. I don’t find People any more credible than the other tabloids at this point.

    I just don’t believe the Royal Family would leak this much information about their personal lives. They’re not Taylor Swift. But I don’t know, maybe I’m mistaken.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      People magazine lost all credibility years ago.

      My new theory on Turnip Toffgate: Supposedly this was on open secret with the aristos so maybe a friend of Harry’s, totally on his owned. leaked this rumor to some RR because he did not like the way Harry was being treated. Maybe?

      • Marr says:

        I find myself in agreement with you, TampaBay.

      • MsIam says:

        But I thought Harry’s fancy friends didn’t like Meghan because she “banished” them? I don’t see them jumping into this mess. I think the leak is all on Rose Hanbury’s friends. Payback for Kate trying to cut her off. Cause funny, she hasn’t rushed to the press to deny this story at all……..

    • Cady says:

      “I just don’t believe the Royal Family would leak this much information about their personal lives.”

      How old were you when Diana was still alive?

  10. Margareth says:

    William is a jerk.

  11. Stephanie says:

    Maybe Harry didn’t like all the Rose affair

  12. Cristopher says:

    Are you mad William? Stay mad!

  13. Katrina Staves says:

    Why are you always SO critical of Kate? It is exhausting.

    • urnuts says:

      It’s a complex on here.

    • Melly says:

      You’re right. I’ve read she never puts a foot wrong. We shouldn’t criticize the perfect duchess. She’s going to be the queen.

      • Lolly says:

        @Melly Your comment is why it’s exhausting. No one is saying Kate is perfect. Give me a break. There has to be a middle ground between “Kate is an evil genius that is behind every story because she’s so jealous of M&H” and “Kate is a perfect queen and Meghan needs to be just like her”. She’s not either extreme, just like Meghan isn’t.

      • Melly says:

        No one has called Kate evil or a genius. People on here are speculating and connecting dots. It’s strange when journalists who are known to have relationships with Will, Kate, and/or Carol write specific hit pieces on Meghan. It only seems natural that people would question that.

    • Mego says:

      Because Kate repeatedly fails, through her lazy and work shy ways, to live up to our expectations of her.

      That she, through her connected family, uses the media to build up her image and print fanciful stories of her excellence which has not been demonstrated in any measurable way since before and after joining the royal family.

      That she also is suspected of using the media, through her connected family, to smear her sister in law who is working hard and producing results and making her look bad.

      I think that about covers it.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It is an excellent start as to why.

      • norah says:

        look at the evidence from all the journalists out there – all of them have links with kate and wlliam and funny enough they end up writing articles about meghan. that is a coward’s way of handling things – if kate was that secure i am sure there wd be no issue about it – she is vulnerable because she isnt doing anything except sit at home and take care of her kids which is terrific but she has a bigger responsibility than children esp since people keep shoving down her rank

  14. BearcatLawyer says:

    People grow and change, and Normal Bill strikes me as someone who does not handle transitions well. To be honest I think Billy Boy would have reacted negatively to just about ANY woman Harry wanted to marry and would have advised him to slow down no matter what. However, I am equally sure that Meghan being biracial, American, and divorced only amped up Bill’s concerns. And I do not doubt that the Doolittles, Middletons, and Yorks are all using the media for their own agendas, and if that means throwing the Sussexes under the bus repeatedly, so be it.

    The funny thing is that Meghan is likely smarter and savvier than all of the BRF put together. She grew up in Hollywood and achieved a degree of success as an actress. She learned from childhood how to survive in an industry that eats people alive and spits them out when they are no longer useful. She knows how to play the long game with the press and the necessary quid pro quos a public figure must often undertake. Look at how carefully she has crafted her DoS image thus far: she is equally at home cooking with a diverse group of women who live in public housing, attending high level meetings on international education initiatives, talking to crowds on walkabouts, making speeches on various topics with or without notes, and promoting and engaging with the 53 nations of the Commonwealth. Like Diana and Sophie, who both changed their narratives by abandoning the aloofness of royalty and working hard for charitable endeavours not typically associated with the BRF, I suspect Meghan will ultimately emerge from this looking far better and more respected and admired than her petty in-laws. But time will tell.

  15. Erinn says:

    Not to excuse him if he’s genuinely acting poorly (which seems to be the case). But I genuinely suspect that Diana used Will as a confidant too much. It’s not healthy for children to have to hear about the inner workings of their parents divorce (things that should be vented to a friend or therapist), and to be leaned on for support. Parentification of a child is a real thing, and it can have a few different outcomes. In the best case scenario it can make a child really resilient and capable, with a greater sense of self. But often that’s not the case, and isolation, anger, and anxiety over loss or perceived loss/abandonment are still happening well into adulthood. Most parents don’t realize what they’re doing to their kids – and it’s not a topic that’s commonly discussed. I experienced some form of it for a time in my childhood – and it’s only been recently that I really understood what had happened. I at times DO struggle with the thought of abandonment and rejection, and the things that tend to go hand in hand with that scenario.

    Again – I’m not trying to excuse his bad behavior, if he has been an absolute asshat which in at least some areas, he clearly has. But I do believe that Will was leaned on a lot more as the older child (which is usually the case – especially when they’re the opposite sex of the parent involved) than Harry would have ever been as the baby of the family. And it’s easy to say how much more charming and care-free Harry is – but I think that’s very much tied into his position in the hierarchy, and their childhood. If there are lasting effects from his childhood holding him back, Will really is the only person who can address that. And he should. But I do understand how that can be difficult. Doesn’t make it right, but it doesn’t make it easy. But it’s on Will to deal with. But it would make sense that he would have these kinds of feelings brought up at the idea of this kind of change – it’s not fair to Harry, but that WHOLE family needs to really be in therapy. There’s so much backstabbing and secrecy, and keeping up appearances that I don’t believe for a second any of them have super great mental health.

    • notasugarhere says:

      William and Harry were both away at boarding school the majority of each year. Diana only had them a few weeks of the year, and she was known to tell plenty of lies (potentially about the whole tissue thing) to gain public sympathy.

    • Sash says:

      Yeah, I tend to agree.

      And this rift is likely way more complex than “William and Kate are the villains, Harry and Meghan are victims.” This is obviously between the brothers, and I could see Will telling Harry to slow down as concern for him. Not jealousy, not trying to be the boss, just “maybe slow it down” and head over heels Harry was offended and hurt. Both can be justified and out of bounds in this situation. For what it’s worth, William was visibly happy for Harry on his wedding day, and Meghan and Kate visibly get on very well. This isn’t a black and white, victim/villain thing. It’s complicated.

      If William did indeed throw Meghan under the bus to cover an affair(s), then he’s an asshole and Harry should absolutely have it out with him. The public in general needs to leave the women out of it, it’s clearly between the boys.

      • norah says:

        william has thoughts about cyber bullying which he talked about in public but funny enough he didnt know or was clueless about the non stop racist comments directed at his own sister in law – the instagram for the palace was non stop hate about meghan and yet he didnt try and do something about it unlike now when he has lawyers sending writs about his affair?

    • Nocturne says:

      I completely agree about the parentification that went on. I remember Diana talking about sobbing in the bathroom and William having to push tissues under the door. She told it as a story to get sympathy for herself. I.e. look how tragic my life is that my nine year old son has to comfort me. But all I could think was how horrific it was to do that to her child.

      I think if Diana had lived longer he might have eventually been able to see first hand how inappropriate and troubling her behaviors were. My mother treated me in a similar fashion and if she had died when I was young I would have gone through life thinking what a put-upon saint she was and resented anyone she told me had ‘wronged’ her, when in fact she was equally or or even more to blame for what went on.

      However, I still think William is a massively entitled douchebag. He could have worked on his issues but he either didn’t want to or didn’t feel the need to. His arrogance prevents self reflection. But it’s hard to know if these personality traits would exist if his mother had treated him better. But then again, even when he was a very small child he had the reputation of being a bully, so perhaps his personality was already set before the parentification happened.

      It’s complex.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Again, Diana only had the boys a handful of weeks a year. They were at boarding school most of the time and split holidays with Diana and Charles. Add in Diana’s habit of lying to try to gain public sympathy? A whole lot of doubt about how much of her tissue story contains any fact at all.

      • ShazBot says:

        nota – don’t you think that would be worse for William then? To know that your mother, whom you love and adore, has completely fabricated a story to vilify your father, and put you smack in the middle of it? And then that story becomes world news, and is repeated – you feel the need to protect your mother, and don’t want to out her, especially after she tragically passes away. I wonder if he starts to question whether it even is true.

        Awful situation all around, and both of them would likely benefit from therapy – I hope they got/are getting it.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Instead of parentification, I would call it spousification because Diana treated William like a spouse or partner not a child.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Again, Diana barely saw William and Harry during the War of the Waleses, so you’re taking her word for it. William has no problem using Diana’s memory for PR, nor does he have any problem with infidelity. Does he need therapy? That’s for him to decide. He has had 20 years to get himself together and has chosen not to.

  16. Mego says:

    I agree with your analysis completely Kaiser. The major rift began in the Fall of 2018.

  17. Catherine says:

    I do think W and H resent each other EQUALLY. One gets to be the fun one, blows off his education, doesn’t go to college, gets to join the army in a meaningful way, gets away with dressing as a Nazi, naked pool parties, and smoking pot, but won’t get his own court, platform, and is waking up to his new limited role in the family (as Andrew did as well, and he took it just as hard). William has to be the one who keeps the BRF intact, the burden is almost entirely on him due to Charles’ life choices (that list could go on forever).

    I can’t help but think, yet again, Charles is leaking all of this. The Queen has had to make some serious moves to make sure Charles is accepted by Commonwealth, and the British people. Who benefits from these stories? Charles. They make him look mature, solid, steady. By destabilizing his son’s reputations, he looks positively Regal.

    I do think there is resentment between the brothers, and it’s not hard to see why. One has no responsibility the other has all of it.

    Mark my words, friends: once Charles is made king he will start leaking a story that Harry should be the next king over William. King Charles will be off the chain

    • Anon says:

      What are you talking about? Harry *has* his own court, which was supported (and paid for) by Her Majesty and Prince Charles. That’s no small thing. That is the imprimatur of two successive sovereigns who recognize the global value of Harry’s Invictus Games and his wife’s connections to media/financial/philanthropic elite in the U.S.

      The “Heads Together” mental health initiative never took off – according to William himself, btw – because no one would jump on board. Now here comes Harry with a docuseries in partnership with none other than Oprah. I rest my case.

      Harry and Meghan aren’t going anywhere.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        10 or of 10 in all of your assessments so far! You have a new fan here. 🎉💕😁

      • Catherine says:

        There are three courts: Buckingham Palace, KP, and Clarence House. H&M are now part of Buckingham Palace, and their press officers report to the Queen for approval before engagements, announcements. Princes Andrew and Edward, and Princess Anne are all part of Buckingham Palace too. They have to report to the Queen. Clarance House and KP don’t operate under that umbrella. Clarence House and KP are independent. H & M asked for their own court in Windsor, the Queen and Charles turned them down but allowed them to have their own Instagram account. H&M aren’t “going anywhere” they have just been streamlined with other Royals.

      • Berry says:

        Meghan is the brains behind that couple.

      • Marr says:

        @Catherine

        So Prince Charles told them no and streamlined them along with the other unimportant royals but he will also want to make them P&P of Wales once he’s king. Got it.

      • norah says:

        heads together was a very recent thing too – william and kate married in 2011 and yet 8 years on they havent done anything – why is it that charles and harry can get things started and moving with celebs and william just can’t? isnt that strange ?

    • notasugarhere says:

      William got away with his own drugs escapades at Club Highgrove, including leading Harry astray. William got away with killing two endangered birds, driving drunk, driving recklessly through other people’s estates, dressing as a Zulu and picking out Harry’s costume for the same party, the stairwell sex incident, etc.. The list goes on.

      Harry has dyslexia, undiagnosed until he was 17. His school years weren’t blown off, but fraught because the educational system failed him. Harry not going to college also meant the press went in on him full-force from the time he was 17. The “gentlemens agreement” to leave the boys alone until they were 22 was only if they went to college. William got four extra years of protection from the press as a result.

      • Lucia says:

        To your point, Nota, I read somewhere (and I feel insane because I can’t find it now so maybe I read it in a dream?) that William still goes on top secret monthly VIP escapades to Red Light Deluxe in Amsterdam (or another brothel/club in Amsterdam). So one has to wonder, how much has he changed since? I don’t think Harry had the luxury to get away with things like that due to his not going to college. We all would have known. Personally, I have sneaking suspicion that William is deviantly secretive and has gotten away with it by the press for years due to being a future monarch. Harry has always been far more exposed and I think it’s very clear how much that frustrates him.

      • ShazBot says:

        what is the stairwell sex incident?!

      • notasugarhere says:

        Caught on CCTV having sex with a random in a club stairwell.

  18. Vanessa says:

    I think that William thought that Harry would forever be the third wheel to him and Kate that Harry would have never married someone like Meghan. I do believe that William is a lot like Charles with a jealousy streak Meghan and Harry popularity sky rocketed after their first major tour and with the global interest of their soon to be born baby . I think a lot of British press and royal reporters and some people underestimated how popular Meghan and Harry would be and that’s why their such a need to put Meghan and Harry in their place constantly can’t have the six in line to the throne outshining William and Kate .

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Did not Charles make some rather un-nice public comments about Bill & Cathy’s very successful & well received first tour of North America? Maybe Charles is behind all this nastiness?????

  19. Digital Unicorn says:

    I think things started souring when William told him to slow down with Meghan and I think its clear Harry expected his brother to be happy for him and was upset when he wasn’t.

    The cracks became public after the Sussex’s very very successful first tour, that showed not only how popular they were but how quickly and with ease Meghan took to her role. I personally feel that this brought out an ugly jealous side in William, esp when he looks at his own wife and how she is still ‘learning’ her role. I think this is one of the reasons why with all of the negative Meghan stories there is always a spin to big up Kate as the most perfect Duchess – William is reminding us that Kate is going to be Queen Consort and we’d better adore her.

  20. guest says:

    They were fine at the wedding.

    Imo I still believe it’s true it’s about the affair and meghan being ripped apart in the British press to cover for William 🤷‍♀️

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Maybe Charles is behind the leaking of “Turnip Toffgate”? Could Chucky want to make Bill Cambridge look bad?

      • Tina says:

        @BTB, you don’t have to post your theory under every post, we get it. It’s a possibility, but it’s not the most logical explanation. Charles has no reason to throw William under the bus. He’s only just got more access to his grandchildren.

  21. Lucia says:

    I suspect William does not take to change very well. If what everyone says is true and William is behind the leaks then this screams of a temper tantrum on his part trying to get a rise out of Harry and to make him (and consequently Meghan) submit. If it had worked, he would have stopped a long time ago. So clearly Harry is standing his ground and not giving William the attention William thinks he’s owed. I’m not sure this is the case but it does make for a great story.

    I do wonder if Harry is behind “Toffgate” though. If he is, he basically punched his brother in the…well I’ll leave that to the imagination.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      The more I think about it, the more I am beginning to believe that Chucky is behind “Turnip Toffgate”.

      • Lucia says:

        To what end, though? Call William out on his BS? To punish him for being thoroughly unpleasant and for throwing Meghan under the bus? Seems pretty harsh to me and doesn’t work in anyone’s favor.

      • Marr says:

        I’m sticking with the Hanburys/Chumleys at the moment. But it’s definitely fun guessing.

  22. Sharon Lea says:

    Why does People and the press keep shaving years off of the Waity Katy years? They began dating in 2001 and married in 2011, that is 10 years.

  23. FluffyPrincess says:

    Look at the photos above where Harry and William are the main players.

    Who has the Swagger–capital S? We all know it’s Harry. The photo of him in front of William with his hand on his chest. Come on now, Harry’s got the sexy swagger and William. . .does NOT.

    All those years when Harry was a bachelor, doing Invictus, Sentebale (sp?), doing tours of the commonwealth–Girls/Women/men swooned for him. I mean even Michelle Obama was a fangirl. Has ANYONE ever, ever, ever fangirled/fanboyed Wills? The Obamas spent time with the Cambridges, but it was all very friendly and formal. Obama has hung out with Harry on occasion as has Michelle — but has William ever watched a game with a world leader/former world leader? Like two dudes hanging out? NOPE.

    I think that bugs William that he can’t quite master that charm and charisma that Harry exudes naturally. William is to be king, he should be the uber popular one, but . . .he’s not. And his constipated faces in public don’t help.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      To be fair, William did get a ton of fangirling when he was in his teens and early to mid twenties. He was never my cup of tea but I could understand why other girls crushed over him back in the day.

      • Lucia says:

        I agree with Beach Dreams. I’m the same age as Harry, almost to the day. But as a teen, I thought he was a bit goofy looking and William seemed far more handsome. It had switched several years ago and I blame a large chunk of it on William going bald. I don’t find balding men attractive. Harry is going bald too but not at the pace William is and I doubt he will ever be as bald as William. Also surliness is not an attractive trait. Even before Meghan, Harry seemed to have a more positive attitude at events and seemed far more engaged which enhanced his attraction and undoubtedly contributed to his rise in popularity.

    • Lady D says:

      That picture of Barak shaking George’s hand while George was in his bathrobe has to be one of the cutest pictures associated with the (sob) ex-President.

  24. Pam says:

    Let’s be honest folks, of late, every time there is a negative Meghan piece it is followed by a negative Kate piece. To wit…… https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tread-carefully-meghan-otherwise-kate-the-vaporiser-in-chief-will-disappear-you-nv6x587xz Both women are getting thrown under the bus. That is what is deplorable. As I said to my kids when they were growing up and one would come to me saying, “so and so did this to me”, it takes two to tango.

  25. Eyfalia says:

    “William saw how popular Meghan and Harry were on their South Pacific Tour and it freaked William out. That’s when all of this sh-t really started. The reason why William and Harry are STILL not in great shape is because Harry knows William is partially behind the smearing of Meghan.”

    I fully agree with this.

  26. RoyalBlue says:

    I think they fell out long before the Pacific tour. The tour is just when it all hit the fan and KP impulsively announced in the middle of the tour that they will separate. That was all William.

    But it had to be in the works well before that. It’s no one major event, but many micro aggressions that led to that. William is playing king already.

    • Lucia says:

      I can’t help but wonder if the Queen intervened. If Harry and Meghan were fighting and it was reaching a crescendo and the Queen said “enough” and instructed KP to begin transitioning, hence the announcement.

  27. Eeeeeeetrain says:

    I think Charles’ relationship with HIS closest brother colors this one, directly or indirectly. (IE Charles has maybe in the past advised William to keep Harry ‘in his place.’) He must be/have been rankled that Andrew has insisted that his ‘Princesses’ be raised on the level with W & H. A’s marriage caused a fair share of negative and embarrassing press. His daughter had a wedding attempting to be on par with Harry’s. But Harry is no Andrew and has a wildly different level of public support due in part of course to his mother. He bolsters William’s image but maybe Will doesn’t like it that way. But the public will turn against him if he keeps acting as such. Too bad for Meghan’s epically trashy family, major chink in her armor and the fuel that probably started this whole fire.

  28. Darla says:

    I don’t believe William is behind any of the things being said about Meghan, sorry. I definitely believe the brothers have hit some rocks, but not that. That would be a grave betrayal. I don’t see it. Listen, you don’t need a brother to do a hit job on a woman. Hillary Clinton didn’t have a brother-in-law bad mouthing her, did she? Oh no, the mostly male media are very happy to do it for free.

    • Lucia says:

      At the end of the day, I kind of agree. This is the UK and they were not only going to tear down any woman Harry married but they were ESPECIALLY going to tear down the black woman Harry had married. HOWEVER, it’s William’s silence on the bad PR Meghan and Harry have been getting that is very questionable. He’s really quick to dispute any bad press he or Kate get but you’d think he would be able to find a few kind words to say to dispute the rumors. The fact he chooses not to and remains silent means that there is definitely something going on but I highly doubt he is the mastermind behind all of the PR. He isn’t that smart by a longshot.

  29. Alyse says:

    In all fairness, Will waiting 8 years before marrying Kate.. who he met at 18/19 years old is reasonable, just as Harry meeting Meghan in his mid 30s and waiting only a year or so is reasonable.

    They met their partners at very different stages in their lives.

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